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Proof check by Ebenezer Duckdock - Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:26:49 EST ID:ZGi1tDkn No.198562 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Premise: God is all powerful, God is all knowing, God is creator

>God created universe
God being all knowing knows that he is creating a universe where humans will sin, er, and be doomed to hell.
Being all powerful, it is within his power to create a universe where there is no hell and nobody gets sent to it.

>God chose not to create aforementioned utopian (lack of better term) universe
ergo full power put towards flawed universe, on purpose

>God is what dooms us to hell

Loophole: God is allpowerful, so he can send people to hell at the same time he can send them to heavan

Flaw: Definition of "love" and the need for "free will" for an "authentic" love, if he created utopia with no hell, youde have no reason to doubt or hate god, ergo you do not truely love him.
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Hannah Sadgehitch - Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:53:02 EST ID:q+dVyNYa No.199250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199243
That leads us to what I was saying earlier. Are people responsible for their beliefs?

>but can belief without meeting your standard of proof be definitively said to cause bad outcomes?

I believe so. I believe there are clear consequences for such beliefs. Your example of not accepting climate change may not have direct negative impacts on policies being made but they can if the policy maker is one with legislative authority. In the same way as a priest appears to have spiritual authority yet believes in things without proof and can clearly be shown how such beliefs can lead to negative results. It really depends on case by case basis.

The way that I see it; The utility should be main basis for whether something is right or wrong. If action A relates to consequence B, we then can see the negatives that action A has. Perhaps the intentions of person A holding to action A didn't mean for action B to occur but their action, or their belief, could still lead to consequence B so therefore the belief is a negative. It's as Christians say: love the sinner not the sin. The bad belief may have had good intentions but it still had bad results so it is up to the individual to correct their erroneous beliefs.
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Oliver Blathergold - Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:51:27 EST ID:hgfltBKL No.199252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199250
Again, if this, maybe that, but not if this, definitely that. There doesn't seem to a direct causal link between a subject possessing a belief which doesn't meet your standard of proof and a bad outcome. If even in one case, a belief which doesn't meet your standard of proof has a good or morally neutral outcome, then while there might be a correlation between a belief which is potentially false and negative utility, the belief which doesn't meet your standard of proof cannot be said to be the cause of the bad outcome.

If this standard can be discerned, we could apply it not only to religious beliefs, but to explicitly political beliefs, or perhaps beliefs which are devoid of theology and are philosophical, which may not rise to this standard - and discuss whether these beliefs cause negative utility or positive utility. Until it's specifically discerned, we'll have to continue to refer to it as we have up to this point.

I'm just fleshing this out, because I think both of us would probably agree that there are beliefs that people possess, especially in regard to our ideological coordinates and politics, that do not rise to this same elusive standard and can be associated in some way with both positive or negative utility.

For example, the belief in justice. A commitment, or belief in justice, has arguably driven people to do terrible and wonderful things - the production of positive and negative utility. I'm not suggesting that the negative utility and positive utility are equal, nor am I suggesting that the cause of the positive or negative utility associated with a commitment to justice is actually due to justice itself. I'm merely suggesting that people have done wrong and right while believing their actions are just. Also, a commitment, or a belief in God, has arguably driven people to do the same. I'm not suggesting the good and bad is equal, nor am I suggesting in this thought experiment that the good or bad which people do whom believe in God is actually due to God. I'm merely suggesting that people who believe in God have done both good and bad, or have judged their actions right in the eyes of God while doing both good and bad.

And…
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Hannah Sadgehitch - Mon, 09 Mar 2015 17:19:49 EST ID:q+dVyNYa No.199254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199252

There are direct causal links in believing one thing and the consequences. They aren't my standards of proof. They are merely predictions based on empiricism. For example, you are far more likely to believe you have a porn addiction if you are religious than those that are not religious. Discrimination is known to have a direct link on stress, poor body image, and depression. This discrimination is based on empty beliefs; Beliefs based on nothing and there is no instance where this belief will ever be a positive. We all should strive to improve our thinking and as a result or beliefs. One belief can be clearly shown to be better than another especially if that belief as proof and the other does not and we know the consequences of such a belief.

The standard should be science. If we look at a situation and we know that A does not lead to B then we should feel confident that there isn't anything to concern ourselves over A. Science should be used in discerning political policy. The fact that we don't shows how much better we could be doing. Instead, policies are mostly based on garnering votes and appealing to emotions, fears, disgust.

I am talking specifically topic to topic and belief to belief not " if this, maybe that, but not if this, definitely that. " There are clear lines drawn because we know what a belief that evolution isn't true can lead to the creation museum. Truth isn't a democracy.

It's not the belief in justice that causes people to do terrible things. It's a sense of justice that does. An ethical code that does not adjust to new information is not worth celebrating. The constitution for instance was used for a lot of bad but we have since adapted it to the times to include rights that we haven't yet considered. It's not the idea of justice that causes terrible things. It's the wrong application and the refusal to adjust to an ever changing landscape. Justice would be far better than applying injustice.

God has driven people to do good and bad things. However, it is less likely to be adaptable as most believers are believers of a holy text which includes interpretations among interpretations. Ther…
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Nicholas Napperdock - Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:37:35 EST ID:q+dVyNYa No.199258 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199254

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is quickly becoming a major form of therapy in psychology/psychiatry. It states that one's beliefs can shape their behavior and emotions. Reshape those beliefs and you therefore can reshape their behavior. From this, we can see how beliefs play a role in our society and quality of life.

"....Human disturbances is largely (though not entirely) associated with and springs from absolutistic thinking -- from dogmatism, inflexibility, and devout shoulds, oughts, and musts -- and that extreme religiosity or true believerism, is essentially emotional disturbance" - Albert Ellis 1980 (Major contributor to CBT).
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Jarvis Goodworth - Wed, 11 Mar 2015 07:56:54 EST ID:8bKGlwE1 No.199290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199248

Duh? But he does need proof in order to know if it's true. And that's why you can't know anything about God.


what is social anxiety and where does it come from? by Edwin Gegglewell - Sat, 03 Jan 2015 02:34:55 EST ID:JEf33O9A No.197530 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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i'm thinking, if we know what it really is, it would be a step toward overcoming it. so what do you think?
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Nigger Fodgechire - Thu, 08 Jan 2015 11:14:30 EST ID:y35IqzFk No.197663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>197651
you're triggering me
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Graham Fabblehitch - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:21:19 EST ID:cai8RyeO No.199178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>197532
I've never thought about it like that before.
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Frederick Drinningman - Sat, 07 Mar 2015 10:34:01 EST ID:6fn2/8K2 No.199184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>197566
Dude that sounds like a study that found that the vast majority of people are dead-inside psychopaths that can't experience true joy.

Which may be true.

But you're still a faggot for saying that article is proof.
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Frederick Drinningman - Sat, 07 Mar 2015 10:49:15 EST ID:6fn2/8K2 No.199185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199184
Meant to nb, but I might as well contribute.

I think social anxiety comes from knowing you're really strange and trying to be incognito about it. I'm really cloak-and-dagger with my crazy. Before I got over my social anxiety, that's what triggered it.

Really, I mean, I'm a fucking LUNATIC but these days I've accepted it. I don't worry about being creepy anymore, in fact I've crossed the line beyond creepy into 'frightening' territory because I'm better at hiding it now.

So maybe you shouldn't listen to me, but that's the truth of anxiety.
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Nicholas Drasslebury - Sat, 07 Mar 2015 11:59:15 EST ID:8bKGlwE1 No.199186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199185
>I think social anxiety comes from knowing you're really strange and trying to be incognito about it

That's my experience too. It's a burden, too, because on one hand I want to believe that my crazy wouldn't not be that big of a deal. So I loathe more and more hiding myself, yet I'm too afraid to do otherwise, for now.

It doesn't sound like you accepted it though.. I mean, why are you still hiding it? Aren't you simply less anxious about being found out you hide it, instead of being found out?


Is caring for yourself/having children, a human right? by Hedda Clicklehack - Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:05:03 EST ID:ZGi1tDkn No.198803 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I think that, in the case of a hypothetical perfect government, one would have to
>pass psych evaluation
>only permitted to have a child they are ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR
>birth control and contraceptives are 100% free in this scenario
Is this too Brave new world?
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Wesley Fuckinggold - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:02:39 EST ID:dhrbwn0+ No.199142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199139
>Your personal story is an anecdote at best

ZGi CONFIRMED

nb
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Storm Strife - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:05:58 EST ID:EHL1Qc6b No.199145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199139
>the race of them does not matter.
None of my points imply this, my points specifically show that race doesn't matter, we aren't "races" anymore, we're a mixture. Even "white and black" people in america have ancestors on both sides at this point.

>In fact bringing it up in a positive light when comparing yourself to others is still racist, within spirit (the logic of it).
I never brought it up in a positive light, I really don't know at this point whether or not im being trolled. Im pretty sure i made a case for everyone, in the USA at least, of being immigrants to a certain degree. You were the one trying to insinuate i was a first gen immigrant and by proxy thats why i thought my life was "worse off".

>Also, your attempting to enstate your idea of what the pursuit of happyness is without taking into consideration

>We're not really taking all of that into consideration, that's another topic altogether.

We're not, but you are with:
>also its not advocating the pursuit of happiness, its just having enough money to feed a child. Spawning for the purpose of getting money is pretty sociopathic and exploitative, and not justified.
Which isnt acknowledging that having children, having food to eat and a place to sleep isnt a pursuit of happyness for someone who comes from somehere where those things arent stable.
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Ebenezer Blackwater - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 22:47:53 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.199158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>199142
even at the end of the day, none of who I am matters with what I say.

Ill be outside of high school when youre ready to leave it.
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Ebenezer Blackwater - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:01:05 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.199159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199145
"race does not matter"
>none of my points imply this, my points specifically show that race doesn't matter

What are we disagreeing on again?'
I agree with you man, but I was taking a stab at how people say "X races are good at Y" which is logically the same thing as saying "X people are bad at Y"
that's it
>I never brought it up in a positive light
I was going off of what you were saying, not disagreeing with you, Ill be clearer
I mean, you seem to understand that our points coincide that and that Im steering you onto the topic, so whats the problem budd?
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Ebenezer Blackwater - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:03:02 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.199160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199145
clicked enter too fastnb
>saying we should get rid of this system that actually works somewhat at this point
No, we're working with hypotheticals here buddy and Im plugging in some real life problems we face. I certainly don't advocate taking away the current systems in place, A LOT OF PEOPLE DEPEND ON THAT SHIT THAT WOULD BE FUCKED UP

Did you forget this was hypothetical or uh what


Mental Problems You Deal With and How You have Subjugated Them in Your Mind by Storm Strife - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:54:02 EST ID:EHL1Qc6b No.199129 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Well, I am human, and since 14 years old as an apologetic non denominational presbyterian I have thrown away my world view, attempted to commit suicide(diagnosed with impulse disorder), was put on drugs and weaned myself off, successfully committed emotional suicide for a few years till I was introduced to marijuana and was able to deal with situations that I could not put myself in in fear of the outcome and regained a quality of life I thought was impossible(though I still have yet to make it in "society").

I have done so by abandoning my worldview(at 14) separating the self from the body and forcing the decision making section of myself to learn morality, subjectivity, nonagression, power, non emotion based thinking while still maintaining humane and to become the "drill sergeant" that screams every other piece into line. Living through that for a few years and then finding trees which mellowed out both sides of the battlefield with titration within my mind are how I am still alive on this planet.

So Basically, what are your human deficiencies and how have you managed to overcome them?

Impulse disorder: My subconscious makes decisions without taking the human element/consequences into consideration and therefore used to cause very bad situations even in the long term where I would realize a plan my subconsious had enacted at the last second after months of planning.

Solutions:
Marijuana slows down my actions long enough for me to get a good look at them before doing them.
Reflection allows me to reevaluate the situation and teach/point my subconscious in the right direction for the next time.
Patience allows me to raise the threshold of when my subconscious takes over in a "survival" situation to ensure continuance to not give false positives in "alpha" situations etc.
Protective measures of an alternate psychological mindset allow me to turn off my emotions to an extreme level in order to protect my "softer" side without developing into a full on split personality disorder where my mind is no longer whole and memories are fragmented/alternate reality is feed by my subconscious to my cerebral cortex(hallucinatiions).
Understanding when full on animalistic zerg attack patterns with only the intent to win and not to kill, but also not worrying about maiming, have one me either the right path in my own eyes through actuall winning(me vs 2 robbers with one gun who i fought to try and get the gun who left me alone after 5 mins of fighting{had a half oz I had just bought with someone elses money}) vs societal winning(me vs my brother who was kicking me out of a video game because hes bigger in a group situation and he gave me a concussion and everyone "told" him he was an ass) .
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Wesley Fuckinggold - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:30:07 EST ID:dhrbwn0+ No.199136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199134
Most people believe they live in a fair society that provides for them the things they want. Increasing numbers of people are being diagnosed with depression though, it's up to 1 in 10 now, so I think I'm on to something.

Maybe it isn't actually normal, but I still think the standard medical explanation that it's just a random chemical imbalance that can be easily treated with drugs is dodgy as fuck. If more and more people are getting a sense that something is so deeply wrong that we can barely stand to live with it, I think we should be asking serious questions about what the real cause is, rather than just doping the feeling away so that people can go on being productive consumers who don't ask any uncomfortable questions.

You're right though, this is a /qq/ thread, nb.
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Ebenezer Darringford - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:57:17 EST ID:G+wM/kvY No.199138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199136
>Most people believe they live in a fair society
You made that up.

>I still think the standard medical explanation that it's just a random chemical imbalance that can be easily treated with drugs is dodgy as fuck
I don't think there's a doctor in the world who considers depression to be "random". You made that up too. Also, doctors are just as likely to recommend treatments that don't involve drugs.
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Wesley Fuckinggold - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:03:56 EST ID:dhrbwn0+ No.199143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199138
And you're just being pedantic. Nobody cares.

nb
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Isabella Bumblegold - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:12:18 EST ID:xVJnjc7k No.199151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199134
Normalness isn't validity
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Edwin Pollerbot - Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:32:46 EST ID:G+wM/kvY No.199214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199143
>writes a post based 100% on a couple of delusions
>wehh don't tell me I'm wrong that's pedantic


muscle memory by Charlotte Nicklebury - Wed, 04 Mar 2015 19:40:27 EST ID:ZOyrGQyL No.199105 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Would a polyphasic sleep schedule theoretically increase the rate of muscle memory consolidation?
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Eliza Sibblelan - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 12:45:44 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.199141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I find on polyphasic my muscle memory, recovery, and learned movements came much much slower.

This is from playing guitar, it took my longer to retain movements and get them down

lifting weights, I would lose form whereas I normally lost form

Id like to think Im wrong though


"Cultures" and nationalities. by Rebecca Wadgenotch - Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:56:27 EST ID:04sw+qQF No.198892 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does mass media help develop and unite culture in countries such as America, where culture has traditionally been a locality thing?, Or does it destroy the only cultural traditions we've developed in these communities, and dictate a culture in an artificial and changing way?

Moreover, are these traditions even a good thing to hold?
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Nathaniel Handerchure - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:32:14 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.198919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think pro-nationalism is the same as discriminatory racism.
If you say
>X is better at ______ because he is X (positive correlation, generalization)
its usually accepted and encouraged. Asians and math, etc. Its illogical and people still perpetuate it

then if you say

X is bad at ______ because he is X
then its racist, evil, how dare you, etc.

For racism to stop existing, people need to stop caring about race in EVERY WAY (except when applicable to things such as medical science for ancestry and hereditary ailments etc).

If you segregate, stereotype, ANYTHING regarding race, you are doing the same thing a racist does, in spirit.

Think of it like positive discrimination.
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Hedda Goblingnidge - Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:03:08 EST ID:Ixcyq3wj No.198992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198919
eh. Don't play the race blindness card yet. Enjoy race while it lasts, make some lighthearted jokes, within the next couple hundred years there won't be much of s reason to care for race anymore because countries like the USA will be so mixed, it'll be ridic. We'll probably be a poor nation and racism will turn from General white on black stuff into Chinese overlords looking down on American mixed mutts like us and our South American products-of-Spanish-dickrape Latinos. Give it long enough and maybe we'll start moving into China and mixing with them and then the world will essentially all look like dark skinned brown chink-eyed black or dark brown haired not-sure-what-to-call-thems
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Shit Brirrywidging - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:25:50 EST ID:vWvBiMC9 No.199004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198919

People care too much about race. Few things strike me as more retarded than the effort some people go through to make sure everything they say and think is politically/racially correct, that all their beliefs about the world and how things should be are totally race-free and the horror they go through when they accidentally have a racist thought about someone like its some Freudian Slip / repression thing.

In the end its all about difference. Different races generally represent different cultures if nothing else but that's usually exacerbated by physical differences too. And in a general sense there different races/ethnicities do share other differences, like black Africans tend to have the highest testosterone levels etc.

But when there is any sort of difference between two or more people/parties there is going to be mutual distrust, that's just our nature, although society/civilisation has a habit of zoodifying people into more trusting social attitudes. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes its not. Either way there will always be differences between people and these differences will breed some level of distrust between most people. My idea of a 'good person' is someone that doesn't hold people to their first impressions or make outrageous assumptions on poor criteria (eg. he's black = violent thug vs he's black, loudly anti-social, gangsta swag, I'm in a gangsta area, so he's probably a gangsta)
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James Sucklefatch - Wed, 04 Mar 2015 10:50:37 EST ID:pUtySIP2 No.199092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199004
>I'm in a gangsta area, so he's probably a gangsta)
ah, but more often than not that kind of thinking will keep you alive
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Reuben Snodcocke - Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:22:40 EST ID:dhrbwn0+ No.199094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199004
I think I remember seeing an interview with Morgan Freeman where the interviewer asked him what he thought was the solution to the race problem, and God answered "Just don't talk about it. You don't refer to me as a black man, and I don't refer to you as a white man. We're both just men."

>>199092
In my experience, if someone is a gangsta you can survive pretty well by simply treating them as a human equal. People can tell when they're being looked down on, they see your fear and suspicion as an accusation against them that they can't be trusted, and when people feel disrespected like that things can go badly.


drugs by Thomas Duckson - Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:01:07 EST ID:SpS5vpa0 No.197911 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Are there any cultures that don't have drugs? It seems strange because no only is it a poison that we willingly put in our bodies, but will often got to great length to produce, I cannot imagine the first drug trip being fun, I am picturing some poor ignorent caveman wondering what the fuck was happening to him after somehow inventing booze.
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Hamilton Hebbledut - Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:25:39 EST ID:gxatMajj No.198796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198046
ayyyy hahaha
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Betsy Ciblingkut - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:56:57 EST ID:knPDWl34 No.198909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198046
Hahaha this guy
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Jack Clipperway - Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:04:14 EST ID:V8IXfymD No.199065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>poison
No. Alcohol is a poison, and they say so are shrooms (personally I felt they were healing and made me see alcohol as such a poison I couldn't even touch it anymore seeing the truth of what it was, but that's besides the point) as are a variety of other things (mostly shitass European crap, Datura and such) but in general, dude just no. That whole "poison" thing is just propaganda, or for addicts, a psychological trick and a subjective metaphorical truth. But neither opium nor Marijuana is a poison. There is a difference between a drug that activates endogenous receptors and a toxin, even if the two overlap.

And no not to my knowledge. Even children spin themselves around just to get dizzy.

I don't know why anyone does this and I say as much being a certified druggie for years past. Part of it is out of boredom, or to grow, or to experience new things.

But I suspect that ultimately it really is just because we can. And because we have such advanced neurosystems, it happens to be very interesting. Note that some of the main examples of animals deliberately getting drunk on rotting fruit are the smartest--elephants and monkeys.

Kind of makes me wonder what the heck dolphins do.
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Looney Toons Thread - Tue, 03 Mar 2015 06:28:23 EST ID:7DD3WVvY No.199071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199065
>Kind of makes me wonder what the heck dolphins do.

Kill porpoise.
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Faggy Samblecocke - Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:07:47 EST ID:FM7Aj8rX No.199076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199071
But are there effective measures for what porpoise they do so?


I don't know by Lillian Cleshshit - Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:02:19 EST ID:kBZi8/id No.198850 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm gonna start off broad and vague, but does anybody else feel like something is off but you can't put your finger on it.

i wonder if there is an extensial feeling about being maybe a little bit alienated, and a loosing thoughts when attempting to nail it down. I can't narrow it down or don't want to try because i'm not sure what this feeling is other than its persistent.
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Lillian Gonkinchidge - Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:29:35 EST ID:kBZi8/id No.198876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
all these three responses have been more illuminating then most of my forays into philosophy have been for some time.

i have trouble reconciling how they could all be right. but i actually have experienced the first feeling in the first post.

I have ironically felt naseous when this feeling was too overwhelming, but have not read sarte i will.

And i have argued in the beginning or the onset of this way back around twenty years of age, that something happened that perhaps clashed with how i thought things should be, but it wasn't specifically one thing, but more a vision of how things were in general.

In regards to that i felt a close connection to hegel's thesis an antithesis experience, the negation of how things have been to a point, or the dead end of how things should be as i interpreted it, but perhaps to that point had been a more solid reality. Until i ran into that dead end.


Thank you guys for these three responses, they have been perhaps the closest thing i would call counsel in quite some time.
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Lillian Chodgehall - Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:08:48 EST ID:ZGi1tDkn No.198888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198854
This enables you to live every moment as if your last.
If you were to die with your work unfinished, not that you need to complete it, but more of that GIVES YOU MEANING
then use that meaning to live your life to the fullest.
Get awn it boiii
btw what is your work that you want to finish?
I just want to lift 600 lbs off the ground, and with weightlifting and stuff, its really hard to predict how long that will be, and I have to put a lot of effort into progressing, even if Im just adding 10lbs to a 400 lb deadlift over 2 months. That gets daunting.
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Jack Clipperway - Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:07:20 EST ID:V8IXfymD No.199067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198850
Only my usual sense of God is probably about to troll me again. Otherwise no I notice absolutely nothing. Not even the changing seasons. Which is odd in its own right.

However I am thankful you guys are putting me on notice. It means you're susceptible to something and I should really be paying attention, including being on guard for psyops and imminent attacks. The effect tends to wear off on you when you know how to do them or understand what's going on. Except that whole "this one actually isn't a psyop but reality itself" type thing.
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William Sillyfun - Tue, 03 Mar 2015 04:44:17 EST ID:kBZi8/id No.199068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199067
you should expound more please
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Ebenezer Femmlebury - Tue, 03 Mar 2015 08:04:25 EST ID:K7AE7G5o No.199073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198859

This. Sartre and Camus are known for describing OP's state of mind. They both were inspired by Baudelaires "Spleen", which can be translated to: "melancholy with no apparent cause, characterised by a disgust with everything".

What you (OP) are trying to get a grasp of is a foundational feeling for modernism. Ofcourse you can find some answers in existential philosophy but for me the modernist art (specially literature) were the dealbreakers for me.

Don't confuse this with post-modernism though, which is more playful.

TL;DR: Read classic, modernist litterature and find your answers. Preferable from 1910-1930.


weapons by Edward Penderham - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:49:45 EST ID:sQs7/AF0 No.198894 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The Dalai Lama said, "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
He also said "“In our struggle for freedom, truth is the only weapon we possess.” ~ Dalai Lama".
So when using weapons is justified?
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Storm Strife - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:47:16 EST ID:EHL1Qc6b No.198912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198894
When he says its reasonable, to me he's literally saying there are reasons that will make you shoot back and that those reasons should about survival and if you can help it not in a personal sense,

What he says about freedom I extrapolate as this:
"In our struggle for freedom some of us use violent weapons without understanding the repercussions, truth is the only weapon we possess that can gain all of us true freedom without human sacrifices along the way."

So if you can convince that person not to shoot you, you have used the truth and both of you have found the right way.
If you can't, its a function of the environment/nature of the world we've built, and you have no choice but to either subject yourself to the rules of the game to survive(which you may not have a choice of because of family etc) or stick true to the value of do no harm and get shoot and maybe influence that person somehow.
Maybe theres even a midpoint to this, where we should be attempting to develop widespread tranquilizer guns so we don't have to kill people to stop them from killing us or each other.

Basically, do no harm up unto the point where your personal safety is completely in doubt, Then use an escalation of force to go from defensive>non-lethal offensive>lethal offensive.

This is not easy in practice and takes knowledge and practice to accomplice. You would need the skills to make a leg or arm shot for example, in order to not kill someone. You would need the skills and confidence to react with non-lethal deescalation of force self defense in a not life threatening situation. You would need the skills to correctly differentiate these situations and to differentiate when the rules change because of who's relying on you or what state of war your country/location is in. And last but definitely not least you need luck, and when your luck runs out, the understanding that the time of your death is not significant in the eyes of the universe, its the actions in your life that have the lasting effects and why/how you died.
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Nathaniel Bucklefet - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:13:24 EST ID:kBZi8/id No.198929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i doubt the dalai lama would ever give a static answer.
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Edward Drommerbury - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:37:59 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.198961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Self preservation?
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Edward Turveyridge - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:02:02 EST ID:hgfltBKL No.199013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198897
>I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

proper exegesis of this verse is that being a disciple of christ will bring division

christ's actions are supererogatory in ethical terms. they don't merely meet the demands of good or neutral acts, they went above and beyond these demands.

similarly we say that killing in self-defense is permissible, but the killing in self-defense is not necessarily good. think of martyrs. we typically hold them in very, very high esteem for sacrificing their life to uphold the highest good.

in christ's example, if we take it on the terms of christianity, christ willingly goes to his unjust execution in order to redeem humankind, or as some exegetical readings would have it, also in order to expose the foundation of civilization as murder, scapegoating, and covetousness, and to give us another way of living which defies the world. this is a supererogatory act. jesus could have fled, resisted his arrest, but he goes instead, and he's God. so it's an example of infinite humility, mercy, and love
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Matilda Mogglefoot - Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:34:24 EST ID:XTaShpz/ No.199053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199013
>infinite humility, mercy, and love
Not for long, we sure showed him, huh?


On the Idea of self cloning by Storm Strife - Sat, 14 Feb 2015 07:49:17 EST ID:EHL1Qc6b No.198582 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Seeing as technology is pretty much to the point where you could completely clone yourself, What do you think of the viability/ethics of a single person, who isnt interested in breeding, making a clone of themselves when they reach a certain point in their lives where they feel they can rebuild themselves from scratch with the materials gathered throughout their lifetime?

Things I think you would need to have to be ready:
  1. Gathering/sorting/compiling a complete knowledge base, construction skills, coding skills, multiple languages, ore2engine/sand2CPU, agriculture, chemistry, etc
  2. A enclosed/sealed complex with an internal ecosystem surrounded with a stone insulation layer with a low radiation level, built as a huge clean room, and the greenhouse section filled with dirt pulled from a drilled hole deep below the contaminated topsoil layer.
  3. A materials warehouse, containing ingots, lumber, stone, dirt, sand, stored chemicals etc(enough to grow food for 10 years in one year, enough to make 4 sets of every tool used, enough for 3 sets of furnishing items[blankets beds cups plates etc]
  4. A collection of media tailored to my specific tastes, maybe even a breakdown of the philosophy of certain things, and maybe a list of things that were close but I didnt quite like.

One thing I would like to note, I understand that this person would not be me, but It would be the highest potential reached by nurture based on a higher level of understanding of my nature, at least thats how i see it.

Thoughts, pros/cons, expansions?
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Edward Drommerbury - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:29:56 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.198957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The debate on
is the consciousness separate from the body?
Is it the mind?
Is it neither?

There have been successful brain transplants in mice that have the mice either quickly learn, or instantly remember a complicated maze or learned response to a stimuli, which I feel implies that those specific memories are combined to the brain

what is even MORE interesting, is the brain transplants on nursing mice, where the nursing mice would reject the other's mice's children and seek out the children she has, despite being entirely different (the children didn't show recognition of her, how sad)

Ill get the article if someone wants it, but for the sake of creative thinking, let's play with the idea?
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Edward Drommerbury - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:31:14 EST ID:cnbl5oaw No.198958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198957
>which I feel implies that those specific memories are combined

I mean as in, the memories stay within the brain
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Whitey Ginderbidge - Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:56:03 EST ID:7sJ/68Ak No.198986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198957

I'd be interested in reading it
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Caroline Brookhood - Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:01:06 EST ID:q+dVyNYa No.199051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All I know is that I'd fuck me.
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Matilda Mogglefoot - Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:31:40 EST ID:XTaShpz/ No.199052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198955
Have you heard of Quantum Annealing? It's a method of solving "random"/"brute-force" problems using quantum processors. I had an idea once, that maybe those that show expertise in say, mathematics, use some neurological form of annealing. The basic idea would go something like:

>you have beginning information, and a defined end goal
>there's a complex system in-between
>energy is provided and thoughts are engaged throughout the whole system
>as energy is decreased, the more efficient (hopefully logical and relevant) connections remain, until there's a reasonable path of work to get to the answer

It came to me one day after reading QA, that while math is usually taught very rote, expertise in mathematics is about already knowing the problem so to speak. This fits along with more personal descriptions of discovery or personal breakthroughs, where someone would, by this description, be able to change a complex behavioral or problem-solving system significantly enough that the most efficient path is no longer an erroneous one. This behavior is in contrast to some problem where one is following clear directions from start to finish, i.e. they don't have to know or solve anything because the work is being administered instead of driven by an "uncertain but hopefully works" process. The latter case means someone can bypass an erroneous system, but as a consequence, the behavior is less likely to be integrated as part of their personality or "natural" problem-solving process.


Mutual unrequited love? by George Nibberridge - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:11:58 EST ID:p0F2ITjd No.198900 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm trying to find papers on anything about sort-of mutual unrequited love. I had been in an emotional intense relationship with a friend for years. This friend was twenty years older though, married, with kids. Her relationship with her husband was poor (he made lots of money though, which he didn't really share at all).

We shared a lot of behaviors (ADHD and poor with words), and worked in college over the same major, so we spent a lot of time together. She was physically affectionate (from Peru), so hugged and kissed alot. I am also physically larger than her, so there was at least one time, perhaps by mistake, she put her hand on me to comfort or herself during a crowd.

We talked about our mutual feelings sometimes, and inb4 "well you're misinterpreting signals", if someone saw us when she was being more aggressive i.e. sliding her body into mine to watch me do a problem or pulling me back in when I'd try to move out of her way, they would think there was something going on. There were many times I was an emotional sink for her.

Unfortunately the relationship fell apart last year, and during the friendship she kept pushing me away from reciprocating affection. She cut off all contact, and as I was getting older, the thoughts of marriage and children and long-term relationships have gotten more intense, which makes the feelings worse.

Is there any term I could use to find papers or anything? Any good scientific perspectives?
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Shit Brirrywidging - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:13:14 EST ID:vWvBiMC9 No.199006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199005

because the affection isn't or is at least no longer mutual and the female has already disestablished any relationship they had?

it doesn't matter if OP is the female or the male fact is the other party has called things off and all he/she can do about it is move on.

either way this is hardly worthy of its own thread on /pss/ of all places
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Fanny Gellyville - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:34:27 EST ID:kBZi8/id No.199007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199006
how would that follow being in love is being in love with being in love.

If he was in love with being in love, why wouldn't he try to keep his love.
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Wesley Nottingdale - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:59:13 EST ID:dhrbwn0+ No.199011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199007
>being in love is being in love with being in love.

I think there's some truth to that.

I recently came out of a relationship which ended badly, I was really heartbroken over it but looking back, she was never a great person and actually treated me rather badly. The way she ended it was downright cruel after all I'd done for her.

Thing is, I was aware of her flaws for a long time, but the feelings I had for her made her flaws seem irrelevant. Maybe it was just the feeling of love that kept me with her.
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John Snodspear - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:26:35 EST ID:kBZi8/id No.199015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>199011
i agree when it comes to being in love. That kind of love "in love" often involves keeping the love you feel alive, because its being in love that kind of gives you a super saiyan esque energy. even if its unrequited.

it also gives us more purpose
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Hannah Wunnerville - Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:01:30 EST ID:6fn2/8K2 No.199017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>198933


HD TV makes it shittier for certain programs? by Phyllis Fecklewill - Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:10:33 EST ID:10eS65U3 No.198844 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So this came to me. I really don't like to watch TV programs that go by on certain times of the day, and I really hate dramas because I just imagine all the cameras and lights surrounding them and all the people and then I notice how fake it all is and it just bothers me a bit. Making it unwatchable, for me at least, but hey different strokes for different folks.

My question is though, do you think that higher definition makes TV shows (specifically like dramas) less attractive?
What I'm thinking is that since I can notice more features on faces, the slightest emotional changes; which makes it easier to notice that they are faking it and well, acting. You can also see the lights from the studio in their eyes and sometimes cameras in their eyes from the reflection.

What do you guys think?
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Martin Cheblingwill - Sun, 22 Feb 2015 01:58:25 EST ID:HJ3NusPs No.198851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198844
I think it's a pretty common effect, and something that I notice with every high framerate program. It really breaks the charm, doesn't it? I can't believe the studios allowed this to happen.
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Nigger Gippercocke - Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:18:31 EST ID:ZWuQztgq No.198852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>198844
>You can also see the lights from the studio in their eyes and sometimes cameras in their eyes
I've noticed this sometimes and if I'm watching it closely and trying to get immersed it throws me off a bit.
HD is awesome for documentaries and sports though and some
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George Nibberridge - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:00:11 EST ID:p0F2ITjd No.198899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think immersion is a relative thing. Even if people are being silly and the acting is not so good, it can make me more into it.
An example just this morning, Law and Order SVU, Elliot was hugging his son, and when he pulled him in, he didn't pull him in as close as I would prefer/expect. This was an SD signal (well like, worse, 16:9 video->4:3 signal->16:9 because I zoomed in to get rid of the black border. It didn't bother me, as it was still the intent to convey an emotional event.

If you have a fetish for fine graphics, I think it could matter, but in my experience, the people who think they "need" a high level of definition to appreciate something are lying to themselves. Yes it obviously helps for like 360p vs 1080p for object tracking, but in my experience stuff like screen size has a lot more impact (i.e. arc area) vs resolution. Here's one example of a particularly relevant paper:

http://persuasivevideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Reevesetall1999.pdf

Since that paper was 1999 it was still probably all SD signal too.

Framerate absolutely matters for perception of content. I play FPS twitch games and video that's 30+ FPS is hardly immersive. Probably motion processing overrides a more emotional processing. Even worse when they use a terrible algorithm, so despite a movie spending like $20million on making the movie, they then use some program which makes the framerate jitter like a motherfucker on tv. Seriously how does jitter get past ANYONE.

I find if anything, higher resolution and such can make better actors better, but doesn't make worse actors worse. Dr. Who, with Matt Smith's seasons are a good example, because many episodes there's a huge emotional scene where it has a close-up of a face, and the emotion can just perfectly convey the disaster of a situation the characters are in.
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Hugh Chicklekedge - Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:56:40 EST ID:HJ3NusPs No.198922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
High framerate is great for things like sports and nature documentaries because it makes it much more realistic. On the other hand, I've seen fantastically immersive films in high resolution each time I went to the movie theater, but the framerate was suitably slow. High framerate makes any acted scene too realistic. Instead of feeling immersed in the intended setting, I feel like I'm standing there on the set as the actors (good or bad) manipulate the props and say their lines. Personally I think they goofed up big time here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation#Soap_opera_effect


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