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Does consciousness pre-date matter ? by Shitting Gunnerdut - Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:26:32 EST ID:VdtZ9bhZ No.195153 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Which came first, consciousness or matter ? Is consciousness a product of biochemical processes ? or did matter come from consciousness out of desire to experience something?
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Charlotte Bronkinman - Mon, 21 Jul 2014 10:46:30 EST ID:gNyY+Voh No.195183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nothing predates matter.
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Frederick Hublingstock - Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:36:12 EST ID:XN5eD5bD No.195184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Consciousness came first, and created the concept called matter to describe reality. However, reality isn't separated into bits and pieces in essence, only in description. And though we see consciousness emerging from biochemical processes, biochemical processes aren't necessarily the only way it can arise. I believe consciousness could arise in any medium in which computation can occur.
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Faggy Grandford - Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:41:29 EST ID:2BqgoKuL No.195185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195174
I'm a bit of a layman, but I'd prefer to equate consciousness to awareness and describe all matter as being "aware" on an extremely simple scale. It reacts to its surroundings, whether gravity causes an atom to move toward other atoms, or photons cause electrons to jump energy levels, or magnetism causing atoms to align.
Eventually, those reactions just cause much more complex patterns which lead to human awareness or consciousness. It grew from the basic awareness of matter just like we physically grew from the basic physical matter.
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Phineas Nammercocke - Wed, 23 Jul 2014 01:21:05 EST ID:iKiIyFsH No.195194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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OOOHHHHH this questions is making me very moist indeed!

I live for this type of stuff;

What is consciousness?
What is reality?
How are the two connected?

I agree with >>195185 I think all matter has a certain level of awareness too.

I think the entire universe is what we would define as "God", the creator, the all mighty being and knowingness. Not some gay hating sinner burning loathsome wrathful God, but a bundle of pure awareness, the most condensed form of consciousness anything could ever be ever.
It knows what it is, why it is and how it is.

I believe it burst into existence (the big bang), to experience everything possible.

Whether you believe in a God or not, there's no denying that you are living right now, AND even if you're are not living and are some computer going through a "life program", or a figment of somebodies imagination, or actually severely schizophrenic and creating your reality in your head, something someplace "started" this all. That blows my brains to a billion pieces of juiciness. AWW fuck thats so juicy
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Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:26:44 EST ID:BVMklPf1 No.195195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195184
This is basically what I would say on the matter, though Fred put it nicer than I could have.


Social Justice Warriors by Sidney Pockstone - Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:18:37 EST ID:T7rquLXG No.194273 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I already asked this on /b/ but according to OmegaBR this board would have been more fitting for my question.

I really want to know what the deal is with well-rounded decent individuals. Especially on social media. Do they actually support the things that they are claiming or are they just very skilled trolls?
For some reason I can't imagine anyone being like that in real life.
Do you have any experience with those people on the internet or IRL?
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Charlotte Hiddlehene - Sat, 19 Jul 2014 09:23:55 EST ID:DjhLhjkf No.195164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195163
Nobody cares
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Clara Smallwell - Sat, 19 Jul 2014 10:30:33 EST ID:V5jD1FqT No.195166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194273
Think of it in terms of selection pressures. This "social justice" nonsense only occurs on the Internet and liberal arts campuses, without any feedback from reality. Much as an isolated population of animals will begin to evolve weird traits because there's no selection pressure from outside of the population, so will well-rounded decent individuals begin to believe crazy shit because they get no feedback from reality - only from their sociology professors and each other.
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David Crennerham - Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:08:07 EST ID:hgfltBKL No.195167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195166
I disagree that social justice agitation exists only in these places - and im critical of the slacktivist social media justice warriors. No, there are authentic movements for greater social justice, and I think this is clearly demonstrated throughout history even to today with the movement for equal rights for homosexuals and also for a more humane immigration policy, but still, these political projects have nothing to do with liberation and everything to do with improving present conditions
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Doris Posslewill - Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:30:25 EST ID:q+dVyNYa No.195169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why is it bad to talk out against matters society that are hurting us?

>gay rights
>transgendered rights
>race rights
>etc
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Nigel Claydale - Sat, 19 Jul 2014 16:28:47 EST ID:CsRKhNE0 No.195170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195169
I think the issue is with people who obsess, their entire existence becomes framed by their oppression either real or imagined. A good example would be TERFS who go out of their way to harass trans women under the guise of "fighting the patriarchy". Extremism basically.


Stem cells by Hamilton Crabbleham - Thu, 03 Jul 2014 00:25:47 EST ID:djNCqNnB No.194895 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Think about it, the point of human existence is to service humanity and be productive and contribute to society. I just think wasting a fetus is insulting to life in general. No one walks out of a clinic smiling about abortions and proud of themselves. That's monster-like behavior. But should that positivity that can come from that horrible situation go to waste?

I don't like abortion in any way, but when my cousin was found that she was to die before birth we donated the cells and helped someone, not once but twice counting my aunt who was murdered while pregnant. I know I would of wanted that. That's why I'm going to donate organs after death.

This is sensitive issue and demands serious attitudes that are to be respected, seriously, this is a real issue. Please address it as needed by common decency and humanity.
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Fuck Gongerteck - Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:13:39 EST ID:F1UCl0+j No.195068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195066

Yeah I kind of forgot to make evident that ultimately the goal for that is to have a good time.
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Martha Smallman - Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:18:29 EST ID:gNyY+Voh No.195077 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If a fetus is a potential life, how isn't a used condom one? Or masturbation? Or a random flirt that doesn't lead anywhere, when it potentially could? There's no end to this argument taken in itself.
Also if we're really caring about lives and potentialities, we should take care of the ones that are actually there in the first place, and invest in education and make it better, instead of imagining the billions of "possibilities" everywhere.
But really there's no point in trying to discuss this issue rationally because it's just a bunch of ideological or religious arguments like that that don't stand scrutiny.
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Barnaby Dirryhall - Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:39:17 EST ID:ZzK88kFT No.195151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>194895
wait. how did your cousin know she was going to die before she was born? I don't understand...
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Edward Grimstone - Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:20:20 EST ID:hgfltBKL No.195158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Im pro life, but I also believe that making abortion illegal is the wrong solution. I also think its really hard for people to honest with themselves about these things. For example, the potentiality argument. The potentiality argument falls flat on its face precisely because it admits that a fetus is not a person. Its merely a potential person.
That said, just because it is a potential person and not a person does not mean that the event of abortion is devoid of moral content. Further, the idea that the culpability or responsibility of abortion rests purely with the woman is false. Most women elect fpr abortion because theyre trapped. This clearly is an example of a determined will and mitigates absolute culpability. Those most often to blame for an abortion are, in addition to the woman who chooses it, her lover, her family, the state, and her community - especially her community. That the conditions of a womans life can be so dire that having a child is the end of hope is that which we all share responsibility for. We should be so involved in each others lives out of love that pregnancy is a cause for hope and not the end of hope. Anyone guilty of shaming a woman who gets an abortion is guilty twice.

As far as stem cells are concerned, as long as the donor doesnt get compensation for the material there is no perverse incentive for abortion and by the time fetal stem cells are salvageable the continued development of the fetus is impossible. The stem cell conflict is stupid
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Whitey Grandbanks - Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:49:11 EST ID:s2TwVmkl No.195161 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195158
Well said.


Life by Beatrice Mindlepare - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 16:18:41 EST ID:SzrVHZHK No.195053 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why do you live /pss/?
What are you trying to achieve, what are your goals, and what do you do to reach them?
For which purpose to you wake up everyday and go about your day?
Do you think of your words and actions and their consequence?

I wake up and live because there is so much to learn and discover. I know so little and that's invigorating. I doubt I'll impact the world in any significant way but I might as well experience it.
Perhaps more importantly, I try to make it my daily goal to better myself, correct my flaws (be kinder and more tolerant to those around me, less irritable, etc.)

It's difficult not to forget, not let my mind, my emotions dictate the way I react to things. I'm not sure what to do about that, to be more disciplined. I'm thinking of trying meditation.
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Sidney Borryville - Sat, 12 Jul 2014 17:16:02 EST ID:Ahbnco9i No.195107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>195105
>>195106
Where are these picture from? Are you the guy who made picture related?
nb
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Caroline Cungerford - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:12:08 EST ID:ByuN0Lgj No.195127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>195107
nah, I just started 'painting' a week or so ago
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Graham Billingstone - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:20:35 EST ID:hASLvNLT No.195128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A lot of different reasons. Because I am and because I'm here, and for a long while I was trying to figure all that shit out so I was a negative asshole. There were times I wanted to go the suicide route and almost did, but in reality don't have the balls. I started taking various supplements to help with depression and doing things that made me happy and shrugged off the bullshit as much as I could, doesn't always work but usually helps. Little things like swimming in a pool can really lift your spirits, or going to the beach an amusement park etc.. Now I try to be a better person not just for my sake but just because there's enough assholes in the world as it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQYolQ2HJ_U
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Charlotte Blannerhack - Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:41:24 EST ID:+6CH/MX5 No.195143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195128
Good for you man.

I continue to exist, I guess because there's so much shit out there we don't know about the nature of self,, mind, consciousness etc. Growing up in the western world of materialism that focuses on external things hasn't really given me a firm grasp on how to be happy.

But I'd like to investigate eastern culture because they appear to focus more on internal things and have spent more time with it. When I read Hindu or Buddhist texts I think to myself, holy fuck this is a real exercise in perception.

So yeah, my goal is happiness I guess, I think that's what everyone wants but we all disagree on how we'll achieve it.
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Barnaby Dirryhall - Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:34:47 EST ID:ZzK88kFT No.195152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Because I have terrible delusions of grandeur that one day will come the time perfectly created for me and I will become a name in history books as well known as Washington, Lenin, Robespierre. I know this will never happen and I'll die alone never having known or been known, with no family and nothing but regrets, wasted time, and missed opportunities.


American public schools neglect to mention a lot by Nigel Padgehirk - Sat, 08 Mar 2014 01:20:14 EST ID:rLhALARN No.192033 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How many of you learned in school that the numerals "1, 2, 3..." and so on come from the East Indians?

How many of you learned that a huge part of the United States once belonged to Spain, and then to Mexico? Did you know that the language spoken by the first permanent European settlers in what is now the United States was in fact the Spanish language? Spanish speakers were settled in US American territory BEFORE English speakers

Many of us are taught fuck all about other cultures in school. Is it any wonder that Americans are often somewhat xenophobic and ignorant of where their culture even comes from?
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Priscilla Dickleridge - Fri, 04 Jul 2014 18:30:04 EST ID:C32PTI9a No.194965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>192135

I'm Asian, I'm in college, and I'm OP. Your argument is invalid.
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Edward Worthingstock - Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:06:36 EST ID:O4sBmqas No.195079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>192033
I was actually taught all of that in my public school. Not even in AP classes, just basic curricula. The public school system certainly has problems but there is a tendency to err to pessimism with many people when discussing it.
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Jenny Chondertork - Thu, 17 Jul 2014 00:52:57 EST ID:EVYvSm6D No.195141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>192033

>Is it any wonder that Americans are often somewhat xenophobic and ignorant of where their culture even comes from?

Why is it so important to venerate the diverse, eclectic, and swarthy? You're pushing your own personal preferences onto others under a petty veil of moral superiority. Fuck off
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Reuben Sondershit - Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:31:40 EST ID:kWlZmuQS No.195144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195141

What do you know about morality, man?
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Nathaniel Buzzbanks - Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:00:08 EST ID:kWlZmuQS No.195147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194964

It's not a contest.

By ragging on America I am in no way supporting Britain.

It doesn't work that way.


Ethical egoist question by Lydia Sambleville - Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:46:22 EST ID:RDR6Ipe+ No.195099 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's just say ethical egoism.

So the right action for you is the one that makes you happy.

What if you are presented with a choice, and you don't know whether following that choice will make you really happy or really miserable?

How do you choose, if you don't know how you feel about it?
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Wesley Bimmerdale - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:07:36 EST ID:RDR6Ipe+ No.195131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195123

>People are happiest with irrevocable decisions.

That's contrary to my own personal experience.
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Ebenezer Penningfoot - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:09:28 EST ID:FTdAAf6v No.195132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195131
Well Wesley, you knew it was a bad idea to shoot him but you went and did it anyway.
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Ebenezer Penningfoot - Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:11:22 EST ID:FTdAAf6v No.195133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
jk lol

but always do the right thing and you'll never have to look back.
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Molly Sullyman - Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:40:22 EST ID:3qw7DdRm No.195137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195133

>but always do the right thing and you'll never have to look back.

But how do I know what the right thing is?

What if I go through life always thinking I've "learned from my mistakes", but in fact, the situations in life change so often that every time I try to apply knowledge from the past to the future, I'm behind the times and I end up doing the wrong thing?
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Fuck Fedgedark - Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:53:00 EST ID:NbMtjgO9 No.195138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195137

You don't know. That's why you throw away the concept of anticipating the future altogether, and you start acting on what you think will be the best option, on what you think is the right thing.
It's a delusion, but you have no choice but to rely upon a delusion. Well you could go blindly but then you'd be all afraid and unfocused and shit, and that's gonna be a problem whatever ends up happening.
So choose the option that makes you more confident of success. At least if you fail you're gonna be in a better mental position to regroup and change plans.


What is the fear of dying? by Lillian Pockstock - Tue, 01 Jul 2014 21:32:43 EST ID:czaR8xJU No.194855 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Its hard to pin down what i mean by this question. For example if a young person finds out he is about to die, he/she might think that its not fair because they have not really lived life fully yet. But is this just a illusion that they tell themselves? What i mean is that
this is just something that people think in these times, they think a whole lot of things when they are about to die old or young, but could it be that its really always just the death itself that is the main issue for them? Its not that they think they have not lived
life fully or lived enough but that to think these things, is really just a way that the fear of death manifests itself inside the person?
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Hamilton Crabbleham - Thu, 03 Jul 2014 00:04:54 EST ID:djNCqNnB No.194894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194855
The unknown. It is a remarkably simple answer to a complicated issue.
But you might want me to expand on that.
The other short answer is it is biologically an instinct to live; though on the other hand life is possibly set to a limited length of time and immortality could be horrific to the undeveloped brain of humans.

I don't know shit about evolution in detail but I suspect evolution only occurs in generations and not a single life. But do we see anything biologically alive old enough to observe that? Beats me.
Another theory states the rate in which we see "time" occur speeds up as we get older which is why 5 minutes is forever to a child in a corner. Imagine that. All of time passing by in mere seconds. Ending up right back into the unknown.

Immortality seems impossible, futile, and pisses nature the fuck off.
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Henry Shakespear - Fri, 04 Jul 2014 16:17:24 EST ID:JgGU6Mja No.194957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>194894
would eternity itself not be immortal?
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Jenny Cavingfadging - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:26:13 EST ID:saCEn9GD No.195051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194957
Like I said, time doesn't work how we generally think. The universe is a living thing and can die. You and I are the universe dude.
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Archie Ponningcocke - Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:55:13 EST ID:6/R1QgUg No.195080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Life is all we've ever had, so we're scared to lose it.
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Walter Tillingstock - Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:59:35 EST ID:7pgWG3Kt No.195081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194855

loss of consistency, this could be a bit of a freakout for your body seeing as its primary function inst too fall apart.


Why are you a skeptic? by Samuel Banderfuck - Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:51:08 EST ID:YpGo89lE No.194627 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Give me your complete, unabashed perspective. Why do you reject religion? Or why do you believe in it?

I'm curious, as I'd love to see what variations in justification will spring about.

I personally take the undecided stance. I can neither refute or assert the existence of a creator. But I doubt one exists.
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Eliza Bollerlug - Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:37:05 EST ID:9ztRiXOJ No.194885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>194861

I don't think you know what materialism is, if the spirit could be materialistically explained it would not be the spirit. If materialism WAS the spiritual truth, then by materialism's ability to explain all phenomena there must be a way to justify that truth within it, which makes no sense. Either it is capable of explaining everything or it can't. If it doesn't have the answers "just yet", then there must be a hypothetical explanation to be discovered in the future. Your "dude no" is not a refutal, you haven't shown how it is possible for materialism to be spiritual truth when the dogma of materialism denies spiritual truth altogether.

You have entirely missed the point of what I've been posting about in this thread, at every point that I mention something pertaining the non-rational, you yellowtext it and scream "but it doesn't rationally make sense!".

I could fully respond to your line-by-line deconstruction but it is totally pointless at this point, you desparately cling to ideas founded on misinterpreted definitions, rather than trying to consider the possibility of an alternate viewpoint. You reaffirm the monopoly on truth that you have given your viewpoint, while labeling anything that differs from yours "retarded". No one needs your infantile space kitten hyperboles and smug, indignant refusal to let go of your idols for the time it takes to read a post.
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Charlotte Lightbanks - Wed, 02 Jul 2014 17:39:23 EST ID:smQtjWn+ No.194891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194885
Whether something is material or immaterial is being debated in almost every thread on this board.

One of the problems with these terms is that some people think "everything that exists must be material" while some people think "some things can exist that are not material."

Then we get into this argument about whether immaterial things can exist. But does it EVEN FRIGGIN MATTER whether something is immaterial or material?

Either something exists, or it doesn't... right? That's what matters. Whether something is immaterial or material really doesn't friggin matter compared to the question of whether that thing exists or not.

90% of the posts on this board are about "materialism precludes spirituality, and so it's mean and closed-minded" or "spiritualism is incompatible with the view that everything is material". These sentences are so much nonsense that it hurts. You're not even saying anything, just shifting around with the definitions of the words "materialism" and "spiritualism".

It's like having an argument about whether the Team Mascot is "really" on the basketball team or not. Who fucking cares? Some people say the mascot is on the team, some people say he's not. The really interesting question is DOES THE MASCOT EVEN EXIST?
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Hamilton Trotridge - Wed, 02 Jul 2014 17:42:11 EST ID:ODId6GzL No.194892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194885

>I don't think you know what materialism is, if the spirit could be materialistically explained it would not be the spirit

why? material explanation is the only way to unequivocally define something. if something is categorically unable to be explained materially then it is unable to be defined at all. consider "the source" or "god", how are two people supposed to know if they are thinking of the same concept except to appeal to what they share, the empirical world? sharing truth inevitably appeals to the objective

>If materialism WAS the spiritual truth, then by materialism's ability to explain all phenomena there must be a way to justify that truth within it, which makes no sense.

no because individual spiritual truths are not phenomena, they are generally emotional convictions, and emotional convictions do not need to be "explained" to be valid, though they can be reduced in a causal sense with psychological analysis.

im suggesting the possibility that maybe embracing a true and rational materialism leads the mind to the emotional truths of healthy spirituality.

>Your "dude no" is not a refutal, you haven't shown how it is possible for materialism to be spiritual truth when the dogma of materialism denies spiritual truth altogether.

good thing i followed that "dude no" with a clear and rational argument. and no it is you who has not shown that spiritual or profound truth is somehow in contradiction to materialism, how and why would that be the case?
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George Nondlewill - Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:05:55 EST ID:Cr5BuY16 No.194925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>194627
BECAUSE RELIGION, MYTHOLOGY AND SUPERSTITION ARE HALF BROTHERS and you should ask children what their logic tells them or what does your logic tell you? Of course traditionally good behavior has been illustrated throughout many holy books in history, shouldn´t that be enough rather than to let some fanatic group to infect you any further with their already distorted perception: the practice of values that contradict the original perspective that inspired so many to write about the proper conduct and balanced state of mind
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Barnaby Ginkingold - Wed, 09 Jul 2014 21:40:00 EST ID:03dJh9TD No.195071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194925
why is a religious perception or a mythological truth something that you don't want to have in addition to rationality. It makes it seem like you believe that something doesn't exist until its logically explained rather then the logical explanation being your means for knowing how it exists.


Purpose of Religion to the Common Man by Tilly Tabernacle - Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:13:51 EST ID:ziro4XeA No.194563 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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As someone who has renounced belief in any theistic being and has led a life of secularism and following morality based in society for a few years now, I've recently been pondering the purpose of religion in the lives of Man. What IS the real purpose of having religion? Is it a man-made structure designed to control people and adopt a specific belief? I've come to the conclusion that religion is simply something that is taught from birth (in most cases I presume) and fear is struck into the minds of babies which is why many follow religions, indoctrination. It also appears to be a cultural thing.

If you think I'm wrong, by all means, make a valid point and we'll discuss.
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Emma Brookham - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:46:31 EST ID:5q+Zf1cH No.195033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195029
>But that's exactly what psychiatrists are doing, shoving usually incompatible pills down people's throats to get a paycheck. And yes, it is basically mind suicide for most.
It's an overgeneralization. It depends on the psychiatrist, really; there are still the types set in their ancient ways who treat the clinic/hospital they work in as a lunatic asylum from XIX c., there are whacks who make patients dependent on them to serve their own goals, and there are genuine physicians who realize the limitations of their current state of knowledge regarding the workings of the brain but do their best to use what they know to genuinely help people.

For all those who are interested, I suggest they plow through whatever Ben Goldacre has written, especially Bad Science. A scientist delivering a scathing criticism of the current state of science is always interesting to read; plus, he's a psychiatrist, and an accomplished one at that, so it gives a valuable insight into the state of modern psychiatry.
>I like your 4 way system, though you must realize there is an overlap in usage as to which area of usage they are utilizing. Entheogenic usage could also be self medicating, or recreational. Last time I took mushrooms I was expecting a purge like medicating experience, a tough one, instead I got an extremely lighthearted recreational esque experience, still entheogenic though, I danced with a light being in the snow at one point. Unless of course you meant it as a spectrum?
Of course it's a spectrum, hell, it's not even a linear one. Many people don't even realize the underlying purpose of their drug use - a person might swear he's using drugs for fun, but in reality, it's to patch a gaping hole in his life and so on. It's complicated.
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John Morrychock - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 18:44:21 EST ID:F1UCl0+j No.195056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194954
>how little besides emotional comfort comes from it

Some people KILL to be with people who make them feel emotionally comfortable.. What do you mean how little? What did you expect, that the DMT gnomes paid your bills?

>No predictions, no useful models, no deeper understanding of real things
>I tried to find truth in those two movements


If you talk about truths about the shared external world as described by abstract materialism.. Well mysticism doesn't do that.
Mysticism tells you truth about your own behaviour. It's not for doing work and messing with material things, it's about breaking out of your own patterns.

>But deep inside, I felt a strong repulsion towards bullshitting myself

Again, I think you used them wrong. These "fantasies" are not to be taken literally, as abstract materialist fantasies could. They're to be interpreted and adapted to what's around you.
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John Morrychock - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:14:40 EST ID:F1UCl0+j No.195057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>194969
>I first tried an over-arching application of skepticism (as in, applying it to everything, even my emotions, as opposed to just being skeptical of what can be inferred from the intersubjectively verifiable; I was already rather convinced of the effectiveness of the approach in arriving at conclusions, so I just gave it a shot) as a manner of reining myself in

Shit now I know why I find you so relatable, that's what I did too for a while.
It's hell isn't it? Like being torn to pieces, a constant search with no end, because where's the verification? How do you progress?

>I conditioned myself to question everything I do, feel and think, in order to bring the three to any semblance of congruence

Aaaand this too. Been doing it all my life really.
More and more tired of it, for once because I feel like I'm the only one making the effort, while everyone else just gently slides on a river of bullshit. And also because it's psychically exhausting, and who would care really? And what if I'm bullshitting myself too, but it feels more true because it took more effort?

>what defines who I am? My behavior?

I believe so, in the end. Even if it doesn't agree with anything else, it's your behaviour that leaves the mark, to you and to others, and so that's what.. Not quite defines, but molds who you are.
It sounds deterministical until you realize that you can make any self true by faking it long enough. We're Pavlov AND his dogs.
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David Gongerstedging - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 21:02:02 EST ID:VOw9MW4w No.195062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195057
>It's hell isn't it? Like being torn to pieces, a constant search with no end, because where's the verification? How do you progress?
There's no verification, there's only the "good enough" and the "not good enough".
And yeah, it's hell, but for reasons I think wouldn't change, no matter the method.
As to why it's hell... I have to think about *everything* I do, lest I do something stupid and initiate a vicious spiral again. CONSTANTLY. Day and night, at work, while resting, cooking, trying to take a girl out on a date, all the time I have to stay painfully aware of what I'm doing and why, lest I do something irredeemably stupid and start a vicious spiral again. It's hell not because it doesn't work (it sort of does), it's hell because I have to deal with dictating behaviors that a normal person doesn't think about ("oh, I'm being lightly made fun of at work, hm, what would be an appriopriate reaction... let's put anxious smile nr. 5 on and see what happens next", that kind of bullshit).
Progress... Not so long ago I came to a conclusion that one can progress as much as one wants without going anywhere when one is going in circles. Like I do, right now. The root cause is seemingly unchanging, and I don't really give a fuck about any other problems or achievements of mine anymore - no wonder, it's kind of impossible to form a stable relationship, stay in one environment, or be at peace with oneself with problems like these.

>More and more tired of it, for once because I feel like I'm the only one making the effort, while everyone else just gently slides on a river of bullshit.
Word.
>And also because it's psychically exhausting, and who would care really?
Not many, I'm afraid. Firstly, not many understand, or even attempt to, for that matter.
>And what if I'm bullshitting myself too, but it feels more true because it took more effort?
I'd like to know that, too, but I'm afraid I never will.
>I believe so, in the end. Even if it doesn't agree with anything else, it's your behaviour that leaves the mark, to you and to others, and so that's what.. Not quite defines, but molds who you are.
That'd be bad news for me, because my behaviors paint the picture of me being a deranged asshole clown.
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Fuck Gongerteck - Wed, 09 Jul 2014 07:02:04 EST ID:F1UCl0+j No.195067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195062

Shit your example matches perfectly for me too, it's one of those situations when I'm not really sure how to react without offending anyone, or even worse, acting too distant.
Btw, I think it's hell exactly because it's so obsessive. I mean imagine if this will we have were an actual person, all the time sitting or standing beside you and saying to you what you should do, or should have done, etc.
That kind of shit makes people go crazy, it's like a poltergeist, only worse, because he wants to kill you by making you too tired to want to live anymore.
It's torture.

>Progress... Not so long ago I came to a conclusion that one can progress as much as one wants without going anywhere when one is going in circles

Yeah this too. Thinking about it, it's pretty crazy that I still try to do this when I have no idea about the condition I have to fulfill to stop doing it. It's been far less obsessive for me, mind you, but still annoying..

>That'd be bad news for me, because my behaviors paint the picture of me being a deranged asshole clown.

Note that by behavior I only mean what an external person could see, not what you think etc.
This means that the "veiled and suppressed behaviors" don't define anything unless you manifest them in reality. They're like ghosts pining for corporeal form: annoying, yes, but only dangerous when they get what they want.
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Political Credibility by Martha Hashdatch - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 05:24:10 EST ID:RmXw6KPA No.195011 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So many political parties exist. So many politicians vie for that moment when they are given some semblance of power.

How does one guage a politicians political credibility? What are the bare minimum criteria that must be fulfilled for one to consider them to be a potentially successful candidate?
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Lydia Bunshaw - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 02:42:53 EST ID:VOw9MW4w No.195046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195045
>religious
I can't see how religiosity (or lack of it, for that matter) would constitute a "bare criterion".
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Lydia Bunshaw - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 07:59:03 EST ID:VOw9MW4w No.195048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195046
Now that I think about it, neither having a family or being a man. for all it's worth. Also "status".

This smells of paleocon voting instructions to me, as in, it's exactly what you seemed to attempt to warn against in the next sentence - things absolutely unrelated to a candidate's sheer administrative and diplomatic ability, but very, very related to catering to the needs of a special electoral group - which isn't what OP is looking for, I think.
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Lydia Gadgefure - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:43:01 EST ID:qhzTh2mi No.195050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195048
Well the fact that in the USA nobody without those criteria has ever been elected implies that they're important.
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Lydia Bunshaw - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 12:13:24 EST ID:VOw9MW4w No.195052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195050
That's obviously true, but in light of OP mentioning "credibility", "successful policies" and so on, I kind of feel it's not the kind of success he meant.
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Charlotte Cleggleman - Wed, 09 Jul 2014 00:46:37 EST ID:a/FpxrNF No.195064 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195050

How do you know the OP is from the USA? Those things are not essential qualities in other countries.


So.... by What is name - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 03:34:44 EST ID:EeIfVA0W No.195047 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is going on?

Im not sure I can even form an accurate enough question.

What? No...why?
Ugh.
There's the cliche question, "why are we here?". I guess thats as accurate as I can guess.

Does anyone know the question? Answer would be cool too.
Maybe this should have gone on b...
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Lydia Gadgefure - Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:42:10 EST ID:qhzTh2mi No.195049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Inb4 "Because"

Also /b/


older generations lived it and the best is over? by Henry Bengerwill - Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:53:50 EST ID:ZRGf/SUd No.194952 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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do you think growing up was overall easier or more fulfilling for babyboomers, generation x??

im a strong believer that economics ie. resources in the last century really does determine the overall wellbeing and happiness of people. so looking at todays economics, dont have to an expert to see its getting worse as the years go by. the only disadvantage i can really think of in the past generations is they didnt have internet, maybe less video entertainment.......

i always hear older folks grieving about this and that and how this todays upcoming generations get it easy and "back in the day" ect ect do you think it was harder for older generations?? are they just ignorant?

the economy is worse, the music is worse, the culture is worse, finding a job is harder, i dont see how its easier... but what do you think?>
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Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 00:39:13 EST ID:LKeG39DH No.195009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195004
I read a post once that kinda went like this
>talking to grandad
>he proceeds to lay into me about doing shit with my life
>says he dropped out of high school
>walks into factory, immediately gets full time job
>makes bank
>asks first girl he meets to marry him
>she says yes
>starts family, all goes smooth as fuck
>mfw im 100k in college debt
>mfw no job will accept you without years of experience first
>mfw all the girls are too uptight to even talk to or ask out "to coffee"
>fuck this gay earth
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Edward Mallyway - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 06:10:24 EST ID:VOw9MW4w No.195018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195009
You are using one guy's story with limited insight on many aspects that would be needed to paint a broad picture to derive a general rule.

Also, I'll remark that the vast majority of arguments put forward ITT work if and only if one lives in the US, perhaps more generally in the first world, which I, for instance, do not.
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Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 09:30:11 EST ID:MaNF82cq No.195022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195018
Ver very true, I'm assuming where you live it's more along the lines of "walk into factory, get job", etc. but remember from the other thread on pss (I think), the world is homogenizing towards western values, at least for now, which means debt based financial aid for college and jobs that require a diploma AND experience. I think its a dangerous trend for the world to be "looking forward" to living like Americans live (if that's even a thing, it seems to be from my perspective, and I've traveled to a bunch of places too.
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Emma Brookham - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:01:49 EST ID:5q+Zf1cH No.195036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195022
>which means debt based financial aid for college and jobs that require a diploma AND experience
Again, overgeneralizing to the point of being wrong.

I live in a country that was once behind the iron curtain. It went through the transition from communism to (roughly) western capitalism, and realigned itself from being east-oriented to west-oriented (as many other countries after the fall of the USSR did). So, yeah, it's westernization all right.

It also has state-run universities that are open to all students regardless of income (and no, they're not considered "worse", like many community colleges are in the US), are paid for from taxes, and are completely free. One can even pursue TWO subjects at the same time, and it's as free as pursuing one.
Making it paid isn't even considered, no plans to do so were ever put forward, at least, not to my knowledge.
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Emma Brookham - Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:09:12 EST ID:5q+Zf1cH No.195037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>195022
Also:
>I'm assuming where you live it's more along the lines of "walk into factory, get job"
More like, "walk into factory, get a hard as shit job that pays a tiny fraction of what a job of parallel kind would pay in the west". I make less than 400 USD a month. And you know what? It's still a fucking improvement, considering what's the situation was like before.


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