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Freemasonry by Phoebe Duffinglere - Fri, 15 Jul 2016 03:52:54 EST ID:bxCBzIYK No.206344 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can anyone well acquainted with the actual beliefs of the group help to explain to me the gist of what is practiced/believed?

I don't mean the insane bullshit people say they believe, but what's actually believed by the majority of the adherents. I spent a while reading online but most people are just crazy conspiracy theorists or people inside the group who seem very defensive. I'm legitimately curious but cannot find any clear resources.

Thanks
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Emma Gemmlesit - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:33:34 EST ID:zCIn+JE0 No.206464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Freemasonry is a beginners set of esoteric symbols and moral values that straighten the path of the community. The symbolic morality it makes the teaches a heavy heart , yet a strong warrior.
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Emma Gemmlesit - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:43:39 EST ID:zCIn+JE0 No.206465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206462
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Emma Gemmlesit - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:58:47 EST ID:zCIn+JE0 No.206466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206462 You mean being a mind slave to the Jew Rockefeller and V for Vendetta which was made in order to flourish the Chinese Revolution, Time Warner branded Gay Fawkes that likes to jack his little dick off in his sleep while he crys about how the KGB brainwashed him with a well thought Jew commie plan. Roth and Rockefeller should of been shot in the head with a luger a long time ago...good job your a fucking puppet..go to a fucking OP rally and cluk a chuck you fucking Jew.
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Emma Gemmlesit - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 13:04:44 EST ID:zCIn+JE0 No.206467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206465
Probably watched a lot of Nickelodeon when you where little, fucking faggot.
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Simon Sublingmidging - Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:45:58 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.206532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206355
Dude you are so wrong about most of this but I just want to point out how stupid it is to say freemasons came before jews. The whole symbolism of free masonry is based on the concept of building Solomon's temple, it developed in the medieval period out of stone mason guilds that is true, but do you realize that stone masonry as a technology didn't exist when the jewish faith was started nearly 2,000 years earlier?


My theology by Charles Dammerfure - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 19:32:15 EST ID:Uuvr0TwO No.206484 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It is understandable if one does not believe in God because the truths that would warrand belief in him are not supported by physical evidence.
Thus one must use deductive reasoning...
A question of yore;
“How was life created?”
It was either by a good or evil governing principle.
The innocence of children is something to consider when pondering the beginnings of life.
Temptation is what guides someone’s free will toaward the good or the evil.
The good is of the beautiful, but evil can, and does, purport beauty.. To steal immortal souls...
To make them permanently evil in order to fortify an evil satanic governing principle.
Free will is what determines your fate....
There is manifest evil in the world. The cause of evil is the lack of a unfying principle...
A unifying principle of love, and a love of the good.
God would be the good...
And the good is of love.
“Love is the ferry between mortality and immortality” -PLATO
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Graham Gundleset - Tue, 09 Aug 2016 15:54:48 EST ID:NuLSgom7 No.206492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I kind of see what's your idea - in short that good is love, love is unity and unity is God.
But it also brings up a lot of quetions that I don't know if I even wanna bother asking (and they don't concern the proof of God).

However here's one for example
>How was life created?
>It was either by a good or evil governing principle.
Why would there be a bias? Why wouldn't it be completely unbiased? As in every individual lifeform being a little experiment in the infinite cosmos.

The biggest problem I have with OP is the simplistic concept of the duality of good/bad and the "lawful" limitations of our experience of this ultrahuge universe.
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Jack Gizzletot - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:03:48 EST ID:wCmfRi04 No.206521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206484
Innocence of children?
What children are innocent? I remember my own childhood, and my peers, and I've dealt with and helped raise kids myself, they are fucking criminal as hell.
They are basically wild animals. That's not innocent, that's ignorant.
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Simon Sublingmidging - Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:39:58 EST ID:0aDGMcny No.206531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206484
>>It was either by a good or evil governing principle.
Why? How? Principles are concepts humans have, they do not exist in nature (nature has 'constants' perhaps but we can only comprehend them as principles i.e. mathematically.) Your argument is entirely circular. A 'governing principle' would be God, right? So you're saying the reason God must exist is that God exists and is either good or evil. This is dumb. /thread


Problematics and Mathematics; A Display of Proofs. by Emma Gemmlesit - Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:29:14 EST ID:zCIn+JE0 No.206463 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Within our society of today's America being ripped apart by an enabing concept that is two sides of the same coin. Our current values have been dwindling into a tug of war. This tug of war at the fabric of our children between communism and socialism makes everybody trying to grow a foundation mentally and physically impossible. There is another way, that way is only take by the path of warriors. Truth, mortality and justice for the oppressed are the ways which I value. To be the execution and punisher of ignorances, moral decay. Manipulators and heartache is what the greedy value. But, the wise warrior values truth in abundance over lavish expenses. The path of the Kamikaze, Samurai, Bishedo and chivalry. The ignorant value meat and slaughter, but the wise hangs a plow share from his neck and carries this burden. It was the way of the Ninja. The path of the scales, Libra and Capricorn. A rich man with no scar has nothing to sing about in his heart. The destroyer and illuminated, a path best served cold. Because, revenge is a sweet dish when it is truth.
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Beatrice Hazzlehit - Sun, 07 Aug 2016 23:30:47 EST ID:j46/6F10 No.206473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>our society of today's America being ripped apart

>everyone is stupid and ignorant except for meee

I'm sorry, I couldn't see the point of your thread through all these false assumptions.
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Basil Guffingspear - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 06:52:28 EST ID:hvs4h/ox No.206476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You must be a ronin.

Being a fife who is freed from his lord. Whether that lord is abstract or in a social class.

This is the reality of knowing.

You're honor is scared, neigh Your honor is born, an it sees the reality of the thief. the one who by command was punished from your macro group.
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Ayn Rand - Mon, 08 Aug 2016 08:53:22 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.206477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206473
This OP is full of far-out assumptions.
He's being more poetic than philosophical. I think if he tried to make his statement less-pretty and more-informational we'd be able to have a better conversation with him.

>Engravings give you no tactical advantage whatsoever.
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Phyllis Blissleforth - Sat, 27 Aug 2016 23:10:05 EST ID:11SaPaaE No.206645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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oh no


Why exist? by Shitting Bollerworth - Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:56:21 EST ID:1iJ/Y3fp No.205743 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why should I not kill myself?
Why should you not kill yourselves?
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Augustus Pickshit - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 03:10:53 EST ID:0CAwG8zC No.206284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Read your camoo (start with the greeks)
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Kaoru Starkid - Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:41:40 EST ID:i5L/IC+0 No.206336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206259
>What is that source?

Grinding my teeth as I’m pedaling uphill,
The fight against ape-hood is slave vs. free will.
We think we’ll advance, but there’s nowhere to go;
Mammals stay captive to animal actions.
So slowly, we climb up this DNA brick wall,
Addicted to emptiness, anger, and pitfalls.
Desire for space – territorial lust;
We’ll eventually turn this whole planet to dust.

  • Eyedea
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Charlotte Durrylere - Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:32:08 EST ID:jBNmwoV8 No.206405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206283
>Are you sure you will never ever grow to regret that decision?

Well, yeah
Since you're dead
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Esther Demmlehodge - Tue, 02 Aug 2016 16:18:24 EST ID:t6MSIlrw No.206426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206336 speaking of Eyedea and existentialism: https://youtu.be/qP7StTfEDqw
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Nathaniel Blangerridge - Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:26:15 EST ID:jLRPt4X3 No.206459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
killing yourself takes too much feelings, time and energy so its a negative, most people won't do it unless needed.


Self and neo-evolution by brotank - Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:43:00 EST ID:36eM0bWF No.206296 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So /pss/, I've been thinking about evolution in the context of the "self". We're all taught in high school biology that evolution via natural selection happens on a population wide scale over the course of a large amount of time, but when looking at the evolution of human society this doesn't seem to be the case.
For about 80% of evolutionary time the earth was only inhabited by single celled organisms, but around 640 million years ago evolution skyrocketed making a large leap forward in a relatively short amount of evolutionary time. We see this happen again at the formation of mammals as the dominate organism on the planet, all happening within 20 million years or so of the extinction of the dinosaurs. And in the last 100,000 years (a blink of an eye to evolutionary time) we humans have managed to create more in the ways of advanced life than all 4.5 billions years prior. My theory is that existence will always give rise to evolution, and evolution will act on the population until its give rise to consciousness . When consciousness is created, evolution via natural selection becomes obsolete (in the context of the individual, evoluton via natural selection still acts on lesser organisms) and evolution instead acts upon the consciousness of the individual. The end goal of this action is to elevate the consciousness to such a level that existence is unnecessary, and upon reaching that state the consciousness has achieved "ascension" and ceases to exist on the physical realm that it existed on before.
Tl;DR: Evolution is acting on humans in a newer, quicker, way that is aimed at achieving personal ascension.
Thoughts on this theory would be nice, and cheers mates
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Emma Nerryfield - Sat, 16 Jul 2016 07:04:50 EST ID:hQHbxael No.206354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206350
E.Pn ???
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Esther Hottingway - Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:11:24 EST ID:aEaeNBh+ No.206357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206350
> Evolution can best be described as a cascading relationship between genetics and environment, constantly are affecting each other.

Yeah, that's true but really ignorable in this discussion. I mean, how bacteria started creating oxygen in prehistoric times has little value in this discussion, unless I'm missing something.
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Ian Shakeson - Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:57:41 EST ID:j46/6F10 No.206371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206354
e-peen.
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Phoebe Hengerchodge - Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:57:48 EST ID:DCeBW/tY No.206395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206357
Seemed like a worthwhile refutation to the "evolution is all genes" assertion.
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Ebenezer Goodford - Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:34:21 EST ID:aEaeNBh+ No.206396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206395
It's irrelevant within the context of people seeing evolution as some kind of mental process.

Evolution only deals with genes. It might occasionally cause geological processes, but those events (while incredibly important) have nothing to do with this discussion.


Is cuckoldry the ultimate form of white male supremacy? by Nathaniel Hacklehere - Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:02:28 EST ID:SnOSbUkw No.206366 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Isn't it taking sex between a man of color and presumably a white woman, but warping it to be for a white man's pleasure?
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Jarvis Sazzlefud - Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:03:35 EST ID:Oolz71Ae No.206376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206368
It was way better when it was /ph/.
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Fucking Sovingford - Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:37:00 EST ID:X2oEaWUu No.206381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206368
eyyyy, glad to see you reached that logical conclusion, buddy. How about a congratulatory link to a Gilles Deleuze essay http://epicbaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/nomadology_read1.pdf
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Matilda Pillershit - Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:03:27 EST ID:SnOSbUkw No.206382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My bad, didn't mean to post a thought experiment on a board of people who don't want to think.
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Samuel Greenfuck - Fri, 22 Jul 2016 16:57:31 EST ID:aEaeNBh+ No.206383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206382
To be honest, your question is more like /b/hilosophy than philosophy.
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Matilda Shakespear - Sat, 23 Jul 2016 06:23:24 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.206385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206368

A lot of boards have imploded the past year tbh.


Don't get it, why do people follow a belief-system of pedophiles? by Ruffle Panties - Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:10:02 EST ID:EIOekLev No.204841 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Church is still molesting children,
tries to cover up cases of child-abuse,
priests involved in these scandals keep their job.

still have millions of followers.

what shocks me the most:
People are still surprised by this?!
Is the fact, that these authoritarian structures with creepy dudes who condemn pleasure, and far fetched from reality produce ill-minded and sexual disturbed individuals?

it's all about the money, isn't it?


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/11/children_abused_in_choir_led_by_ex_pope_s_brother_investigator_says.html
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Tablet Tabletten - Sat, 04 Jun 2016 03:16:22 EST ID:rJejfjb/ No.206108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I would be really unhappy to be deluded by an organized mass mindrape movement.
99% of christians are apologists for mass murder, rape and genocide.
A LOT of christians are hypocrites.
They protect corporations., WAR, GENOCIDEin the name of "FREEDOM" or "DEMOCRACY" while delivering BOMBS and DEATH to OTHERS.

As for homeless shelters: If the PATHETIC fascist society was anywhere near good, there WOULD NOT BE homeless people to begin with.

It wasnt so long ago in WW2 when german werhmacht soldiers had the words "God with us" in their uniforms.
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Hannah Buzzshaw - Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:48:47 EST ID:nmyfly2H No.206134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205485
More like it does not matter where that money goes, its Mexico.
In the end it all goes to drug lords.

As for the topic at hand. I am seeing a lot of people who might want to take a sociology class or some kind of humanities before weighing in on this subject. Might make you look less like a fedora tipping edge fish.
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Cedric Fuckingfuck - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 13:42:52 EST ID:K8NH1++G No.206286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206108
If this "pathetic, fascist society" was as "great" as you imagine it to be, every single home would be a homeless shelter of sorts as it would be administrated by the state. You are deluded if you think that this society is pathetic, or fascist. Your idea for a 'perfect system' would be a pathetic, fascist society. Learn to think.
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Emma Clecklesot - Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:31:18 EST ID:4MCc5ZU6 No.206349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>204841
>rabbis and imams dindu nuffin
I know you're a bunch of contrarian prisses and fedoras with gripes about christianity but it is a cross-cultural happening.
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Lola Brennt - Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:43:37 EST ID:XP08eFZZ No.206365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206349
wtf are you even talking about?

Nobody denies the insanity of the other nutjobs who mutilate and suck babies dicks!


trolly problem by Priscilla Bommleweck - Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:11:29 EST ID:0p7U580/ No.204825 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why is the moral blame considered to be on the person who flips the switch and not the person who tied all these people to the tracks?
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Eugene Fendlebury - Tue, 21 Jun 2016 02:42:12 EST ID:cl4v6xkU No.206248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>204825
facebook.com/TrolleyProblemMemes
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Jack Gummlefene - Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:52:16 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.206250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't see human life as inherently valuable, so I really don't care which decision the guy makes. If I were him, I'd just let the trains run into the 5 people tied up and I'd assume that the trains will collide. Self-defense is more important to humans than the defense of completely random strangers.
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Sophie Nengertog - Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:15:34 EST ID:rtkE+1+E No.206251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>204834
I disagree that the rigger is a bad guy. He's done more for philosophy of ethics than anyone else.
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Basil Pockfield - Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:35:54 EST ID:QNr/gDFP No.206252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>204825
What a dumb question
Nb
/thread
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Priscilla Dammerbire - Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:18:51 EST ID:oS8EJv15 No.206335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206252
I'd jump on the division track. An hero


Chatting with desired girls via Whatsapp while High by Chilli - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:42:16 EST ID:7ecNYdXE No.206287 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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how is it do you have good/bad experiences

i have some girl in my whatsapp list i kinda grief hard for,
i am just enjoying life staying under the radar right now uk
is it a good/bad idea to connect / chat to the girls u value while beeing high
not on chilling stuff but speed, coke, etc
stuff eliminating your emphatic side doping others

i mean it would be just mad to not recognize your bad upturn while keep on chatting

sounds weird so keeping it simple whats your experience
i'll share some but most of the time i am in a set like at home i just feel like fucking up with everyone in standard...
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Henry Crollyfield - Tue, 05 Jul 2016 16:13:09 EST ID:GNPCcPc0 No.206288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it's good because i have generally good people around me
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Emma Sellystock - Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:08:41 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.206289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This isn't /b/ or /qq/, Chilli.


Can the media abuse the feelings of the public? by Betsy Naddlewill - Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:44:37 EST ID:3a4OBfhC No.206270 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If the media is trusted to not do certain things then a breach of that trust is something I would call abuse. The problem is, I can't put into words what we trust the media to not do, I can only think of vague things that are weak in principle.
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Phoebe Pemmerforth - Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:51:17 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.206271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I spend a shit load of time examining the media as a whole, and yes, it is rich with abuse. Time Warner abuses the shit out of liberals, for instance, by constantly hiring 3rd party news teams to churn out agenda-based propaganda every few hours on all formats of social media. It's quite disgusting to watch, but it's legal to lie and call it news, as of 2004.
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Frederick Chucklesit - Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:11:07 EST ID:l6TgzVv5 No.206276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Believe half of what you see and nothing you hear.

The sole purpose of the (traditional) media is to shape public opinion. Everybody is in somebody's pocket, whether they know it or not. It's them, or their boss, or his boss, or their boss' boss' boss. Somewhere along the chain of command somebody decided to prioritize money over truth.
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Ian Fendledane - Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:46:26 EST ID:Iu15Is6p No.206277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Trust is earned between family and friends. Anyone else - especially for-profit corporations and governments - need to be regulated via constitutions and laws and other feedback mechanisms.


Misanthrope tendencies by John Pendertock - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:21:28 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.206245 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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/PSS/, what are your thoughts on balancing pain and pleasure? On the significance of happiness and sadness?

I've recently been enjoying reading about peoples' suffering and pain. It always amazes me how little of a problem can cause such a drastic reactions from people, and the mental gymnastics people do to feel innocent and victimized. I'm a hard-core believer in balance; I consider pain just as important as happiness. I also believe that these days, in the USA, civilians are indulging in dopamine overdoses that eventually manifest as depression, anxiety and misery. Sure, I'd love a world without pain, but this world needs pain, and I guess I think some groups of people really need more pain in their life or else they'll end up as useless boobs, the kind of useless boobs you see in a college safespace or in the morgue after they die of things like suicide over trivial matters or starvation from ceaseless video-game playing.
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Martin Fanbanks - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:51:00 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.206261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206260
I spent an entire year in bed, bleeding from my guts. My life fell apart and my health completely faded away until I was practically lifeless. I was a walking skeleton people would look at and assume was a drug addict of some kind. It was the most horrible suffering I've ever faced, but it was such a blessing in disguise. I was so miserable until I had nothing. Then, everything seemed like a blessing. It was the single greatest dose of reality and humility I've ever faced, and it's profoundly changed me, making me a much better, happier person. Sheltered is the opposite of what I am, and it pains me to watch so many of my fellow human beings walk around with their near-perfect lives they feel so miserable about constantly, humans feeling depressed and useless even though they've never actually suffered anything greater than a trivial irritation. It astounds me that kids kill themselves over such trivial things as losing their smart phone, or they die bingeing on MMORPGs. Maybe if they had real problems to teach them the basics of pain they'd all be stronger, happier individuals.

That being said, a life of pain alone is not a life worth living, in my book. Life needs to be balanced, is my philosophy. I want to see more balance in life, which can require more suffering; I don't want to see people spend their entire life suffering, though.
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Ian Parrylere - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:16:24 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.206262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206260

Christ, I'm not saying pain is wonderful. Pain hurts. And through that it teaches us what to avoid, what we care for and most importantly it teaches us hope.

My father died of cancer and my mother is an alcoholic. None of that would have any significant meaning to me if it didn't cause me pain, and that's what I mean when I say that pain has intrinsic value.
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Martin Fanbanks - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:53:47 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.206264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206262
Pain is a lesson, but too much pain is suicide.
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Molly Trotwell - Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:00:41 EST ID:FWgQKrV0 No.206265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I totally agree with you OP. Being a junkie scumbag piece of shit actually did help me realize that a balance of pleasure and pain is important. Even something as pleasant and blissful as heroin gets really boring if you dose it everyday for months and months, after a while all the euphoria went away and I was just depressed AND now drug addicted. If you try to overload yourself with pleasure it just won't work, you need a balance, without pain you can't realize how great the pleasure is. If you just choose to overindulge in whatever your favorite pleasures are, you can quickly get bored of them and just end up more depressed than you were before, this doesn't only apply to drug addiction, as you said people nowadays are indulging in "dopamine overdoses".
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Molly Trotwell - Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:03:33 EST ID:FWgQKrV0 No.206266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206265
And drug-wise this is obviously why people addicted to heroin start using other drugs like stims or benzos or alcohol on top of it. It's not because they want to ruin their life further, it's just because ANY drug gets boring after a while, and you're just dependent on it, it's like drinking water, not that fun.


conservative and liberal by Shitting Brookfield - Mon, 13 Jun 2016 03:12:30 EST ID:qV4OApJw No.206194 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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people talk about being conservative and liberal, like labels they use on themselves. What does this mean anyway? I have seen so many political discussions with people being left or right wing, lib or con, or whatever.

What do these labels even mean? I saw one definition; a conservative likes society to stay the way it is while the liberal desires change from the present. So I could be a liberal leftie, but if society changes tomorrow, I could become a conservative righty. What is wrong with this political language and why is it used so vaguely?
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Hedda Peckledodging - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:12:29 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.206221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206219

>well if left wing is defined as being progressive and conservative is defined as keeping things traditional, that sort of label only makes sense in this time. People who want tradition become right wing and people wanting change become left wing. So far it makes sense.

It's interesting to note that the left/right divide in other countries usually means something completely different.

Where I live it's mostly about state vs market. The most socially conservative party is made up of Christian centrists. Also, while Americans might put environmental concerns on the left side, a market-liberal party in my country fronts that cause along with the democratic socialists.

So this diversity in political entities is something America lacks, which might be why American political terms (which I assume are the terms OP wants to talk about) are so vague to begin with. Your two parties are so big they encompass a great deal more views than any European party, yet they always get presented as two defined entities. On the surface, your politics appear to be rather simplified. And a surface understanding of politics is what's usually held by laymen voters.
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Hedda Peckledodging - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:14:36 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.206222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206221

And by simplified I mean vague by extension.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:02:16 EST ID:i6Id+/bH No.206225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206221
>It's interesting to note that the left/right divide in other countries usually means something completely different.
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This is the notion of the "progressive" liberals and the "conservative" conservatives in the USA. In Europe and most other places in the world, these terms have little meaning to their roots.

The definitions that OP sets out to define only work in the theater of US (and maybe Canadian and Ausfag) politics. That being said, they have varying degrees of definition and need to be set in stone before we confuse the conversation further.
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Jenny Blamblefuck - Sat, 18 Jun 2016 10:25:06 EST ID:qV4OApJw No.206241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206221
Your two parties are so big they encompass a great deal more views than any European party, yet they always get presented as two defined entities

Yes. I find it difficult to align myself to one of these entities, because my views can be found scattered in both parties, yet i also see many party beliefs on both sides that go against my personal views, so i cannot resolve myself as left wing or right wing.

>>206225
In Europe and most other places in the world, these terms have little meaning to their roots.

So are you saying that parties in Europe are mixed between left and right issues in their political position like I am? When you refer to their roots, are you saying that their 'left' or 'right' stance does not fit in with their party's position?
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:27:28 EST ID:gm9dPrV5 No.206242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206241
Yes. Socially conservative and economically liberal groups exist in Europe in decent droves. Whereas in America, if you support BLM, you're almost certainly a full fledged communist.


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