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Debating and Emotions by Fucking Fucklenore - Tue, 23 Feb 2016 02:09:21 EST ID:cceXWbXx No.205111 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I want to become an improved debater but I often find that my emotions tend to get the better of me and causes me to make silly claims.

What are some methods to improve ones detachment from the discussion? What are some ways to improve debating in general? I wish to be objective as possible.

Is passion always a negative in debating? Sometimes passion can bring an argument together in a very nuanced way. If you feel very strongly about something, you can come up with great comments yet sometimes slip up with that same passion; or is it the same passion?
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Doris Cropperman - Sun, 28 Feb 2016 01:59:46 EST ID:2a0IcN4f No.205142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Argue cases you don't believe in. Even though you don't believe in the conclusion, it's still a worthwhile act as it tests and help improve those you argue against, i.e. those who argue for things you believe in, or will weed out those less committed.

Also, if you study much philosophy, you may become suspicious of One Truth viewpoints. All we've got is models, and things can often be explained in different ways. Models are just tools, and being able to swap or use multiple tools is a useful skill. Try https://www.coursera.org/learn/model-thinking, it's a great course, and while not directly related to this thread, it'll help develop your fundamental thinking abilities.

I agree with Cedric - focus on learning, not on winning, and respect your opponent - a good opponent really helps develop your skills and your case. Passion is great and keeps you working towards the goal, but keep in mind that an emotional argument will look desperate and likely won't serve your cause. Passion combined with control makes for a much more convincing debater.
Reuben Blennerfud - Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:00:01 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's a damn good point. I also want to say, if someone personally attacks you in a debate, you shouldn't attack them back. Every on-looker respects the least-aggressive debater, unless they're like Ben Carson-level timid and can't make any points but instead just kind of sit there looking weak.
Matilda Clunkinworth - Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:23:40 EST ID:ilqQHcFL No.205655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Passion isn't always a problem in debate. One time when I was in high school, I was debating against a team from another school and when they ran a plan that contridicted their socialism critique of my argument (I believe it was a conservative "balance the budget" plan) I rather angrily took a swipe at them in my closing statments that they didn't understand what socialism was. The judge heard that and let me win the round due to their fuck up. It's all well and good to be impartial when debating, but sonetimes using anger or other emotions to make your arguments more understandable is a good way to win the round.
Basil Mendledan - Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:36:48 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey, I'd like to bring up an example of passion and emotions not working well in a debate. Just go check out the Feminism thread. It's a riot.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:10:27 EST ID:rh6Cues6 No.205677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
good post.

Philosophical Movies by Phoebe Cennerkare - Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:52:20 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205629 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey! So since movies are a bit more popular than anime, how about a philosophical movie thread!? I love a good movie that makes you think.
Let's share our philosophical favorites.
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> Lucas - Tue, 12 Apr 2016 00:06:50 EST ID:7dPbsx8Z No.205633 Ignore Report Quick Reply

THX-1138, the movie George Lucas made before the original Star Wars. Robert Duvall plays a drone human being in a factory run by heartless corporate psychiatrists that use humans as medicated slaves to produce fissile devices, probably nuclear weapons or reactors, from the implications. Robert Duvall's dorm mate (who he is banned from having sex with, he only gets a masturbation tube) plays with his mandatory medication to shack up with her coworker on the psychiatric security monitoring panel (they even watch in your home), and he loses his mind and gets charged with drug evasion, which none of the psychiatrists figure out, despite agonizing tests.

The highlight of the movie is a holo-television channel that's just a cop (all robots) beating a guy over and over again, and Robert Duvall watching it off his meds.
Polly Dubberdale - Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:38:27 EST ID:Xsq09IUl No.205638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
honestly, a lot of films can be philosophical.
Check out Zizek's A pervert's Guide to Cinema/ideology.
And this youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nerdwriter1?nohtml5=False
Nigel Pushwat - Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:21:58 EST ID:A2cqqF/n No.205642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A Clockwork Orange is philosophical.

But I disagree completely with the message.

The idea that it's wrong to deny a sociopath a "choice" as to whether he does good or evil[%]

Never in fact have I disagreed so strongly with a message in a movie that I simultaneously enjoyed.
John Crinderbanks - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:13:01 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The more I watch that movie, the more it makes me want to actually attempt something like the Ludivico technique. I have no qualms with robbing criminals of their freedom.
John Crinderbanks - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:25:53 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Wrong Cops

Quentin Dupieux makes great films. He's clearly a French director/musician that loves absurdism. At the end of his first film, Rubber, he points out that movies don't make sense and that things just happen for seemingly no reason since you never know the full background. Rubber is literally just about a man trying to watch a tire go on a killing spree and get killed by the cops. It's a movie about a man watching a live movie, but it's filled with totally absurd events.

Also, I want to give a shout-out to Reality for having a scene where a man gets a phone call while watching a movie, and then in the movie he's watching a little girl starts watching a movie, and in that movie within a movie is the man talking on the phone in real time with the man watching the movie of the little girl watching a movie. It was a really good scene.

And a shout-out to Wrong Cops for having Marilyn Manson play an edgy little boy that gets kidnapped and forced to listen to techno music.

If you're a stoner, do yourself a favor, get high and turn on a Quentin Dupieux movie.

Why some relationshits don't work out by Fish Raping - Thu, 07 Apr 2016 04:09:28 EST ID:woBdV4w1 No.205566 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Ok, we all know the guy who is super nice to girls
behaves a littlebit like a little male gay mermaid
and wonders why he gets "friendzoned" all the time.

Is it maybe because This guy just looks for sluts or princesses?

I am not saying it is easy to find the right one...
but how about looking at least for a women with the same interetst as you?
And not beeing creepy at the same time...

I've experienced rejection a lot, had some broken relationships because bitches cheated on me
or just left without explaining why.
Took a while
until I realized - or rather stumbled by luck - over a very cool and "nerdy" girl
who like videogames, comics and has a dirty mind and goes to some cool concerts with me.
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Albert Gettingludge - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:27:25 EST ID:7sJ/68Ak No.205598 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>There is a feminism thread started by Bombastus just stating

>World women's day. Take over, faggot queers. Fight on.

No philosphy at all for the entire first half of the thread, just an excuse to invite more shitorms regarding feminism.

I posted the first response to that thread questioning why it was even made in the first place. The other thread wasn't even worth responding to but those dumb feminism threads are a dead horse that people won't stop beating.

>yeah, this is toootally philosophy, but where the fuck is the neck beard outcry against that shit?

You would have seen it if you read the damn thread. But no, just continue to shitpost and try to read way too deeply into this because you have once again overestimated your own brilliance.

>In context to all these threads, how can you even try to assert that OP should fuck off, for it is obvious that his thread is more philosophical in nature than many others on this board.
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Charles Pickfield - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:54:46 EST ID:Xsq09IUl No.205599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why even have the board in the first place then?
>just let the board be awful
its a shithole assplug of 420chan, i have no idea why its still here, its such a disgrace to actual philosophical discussion it might as well be aborted, no matter how much id like to see interesting philosophical discussion.
Charles Pickfield - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 17:17:26 EST ID:Xsq09IUl No.205601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Albert Gettingludge - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 17:17:57 EST ID:7sJ/68Ak No.205602 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Sadly agreed
Hannah Tillingham - Fri, 08 Apr 2016 19:55:27 EST ID:Soe7ybKu No.205608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You have to find someone you don't other, and someone who doesn't other you.

Friendzone-nice-guys and PUA share the fact that they see women as something other and alien. Whether they put women on a pedestal or see them as the enemy, it's the same problem.

It's not enough to overcome it yourself, you have to find someone else who has overcome it. However it does become easier to find people who've opted out of that mode of of thinking once you've overcome it yourself. Once it's clear you've opted out, people who've been avoiding you because of your immaturity will stop ignoring you.

Psychology 100 by Fucking Bengerpatch - Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:19:16 EST ID:7dPbsx8Z No.205559 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It's everyone else, not me!
Graham Sibblewit - Wed, 06 Apr 2016 15:35:14 EST ID:JI+mBg/O No.205563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There is no "you" independent from your genetics, environment, and possibly the effects of probablistic quantum phenomena.
Dick - Thu, 07 Apr 2016 08:54:40 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
But regardless, they are they, I am I and you are you, so naturally they focus on themselves, you focus on yourself, and I focus on myself.

Netjester Discussion by Fuck Herryfuck - Fri, 01 Apr 2016 17:25:19 EST ID:1EFZ7rI0 No.205512 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Who is Netjester?
Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Fri, 01 Apr 2016 17:25:21 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.205513 Report Quick Reply
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Os is windows 7 easily pirated or am I stuck with it forever, tehn eventually every now and then? This is not like WWE are saying, certainly girls who flash anybody that asks are relatively slutty. And i don't want you to receive my message and not run again.
Jack Niddleshit - Fri, 01 Apr 2016 17:30:58 EST ID:jYnY0gcA No.205514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reserve your free copy of Windows 10 Today!

Free Will and Causality by Claus Cunt - Thu, 24 Mar 2016 16:08:20 EST ID:jd2LNh4u No.205449 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Pickup something small and drop it on the floor, or don't. Now that you've made a choice, at the moment of decision, could you have made the opposite choice from the one you made?

[Forgive if bump when metaphysics thread already exists or whatever. I'm new to /pss/.]
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Hedda Brirrypurk - Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:41:36 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.205492 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Then that would mean you're defining free will differently than the Abrahamic concept, don't you think? Remember that it is originally a religious idea where God gave man the ability to be his like in spirit, meaning that God would not have control over persons in their choices.

The 'illusion' might be nothing more than a cultural invention. Our brains are a form of decision making machines, what we refer to as 'free will' is merely the experience of the process of estimating the better option. Our culture has arrived to the conclusion that our will is 'free' because people in ages past recognized that we have options to pick and decisions to make, yet blindsided the fact that 'only one' option is actually available to us thanks to circumstantial forces and effects, i.e. previous experience, state of mood, mental abilities, context, stochastic variations etc.

Psychology gives this line of thought some support, as countless studies have shown that people are in fact rather predictable. When you ask; "think of a tool and its color", the vast majority will think of a red hammer. Some studies have even showed that at least for quick or random decisions, the brain makes the choice before the subject is even conscious of it.
Barnaby Fudgehick - Tue, 29 Mar 2016 19:11:21 EST ID:jd2LNh4u No.205494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mane, I already took 3 phil classes in college before I dropped the minor (though I got all the dank ones). What is predeterminism? Also /b/ doesn't have philosophy lol.

>The 'illusion' might be nothing more than... context, stochastic variations etc.
Hedda, when you talk, my dick gets hard. So well said. If you're not a girl, don't tell me.
Cornelius Sembletutch - Wed, 30 Mar 2016 03:52:50 EST ID:/3eoXSbg No.205499 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>If you're not a girl, don't tell me.

I can be anything you want, hon ;)


Would there be any difference? We're still in charge of making choices, no matter whether the "I" is free or not.

That said I cannot deny the utility of the concept. It makes things easier with regards to guilt and justice, personal responsibility etc.
Jack Menkinwater - Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:01:42 EST ID:T8713H5j No.205500 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Might be relevant to your interests OP.

Ortega is a hard determinist. Me, not so much.

But I agree with him that whether determinism is correct or not, there is no libertarian free will.
Jack Menkinwater - Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:02:48 EST ID:T8713H5j No.205501 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What's so good about democracy to begin with?

Note: I'm asking you a question; not making a statement.

Women's Studies by Beatrice Shittingridge - Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:08:32 EST ID:yGcx3rkn No.205366 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What is this all about? Why would anyone major in it? What sort of jobs does it get you? I attempted to major in Art/Graphic Design and only finished a 2-year AA, so I'm not one to talk about useless degrees. It strikes me as even more useless than art and more popularly disliked, but am I missing something about the pro side of the issue?

This whole division of modern universities appears to be the whipping boy for anti-SJW mouthpieces on the internet. While I am perturbed by the excess of PC culture, I do acknowledge that systemic issues in the USA present disadvantages to certain groups of people. My brother, who is somewhat liberal but notoriously close-minded when it comes to personal taste, and bad with women, got a Facebook bitchslapping by our lesbian cousin, who works as an RN, for reposting some meme that dismissed Women's Studies as "a degree in professional whining."
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Edward Wicklemed - Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:14:45 EST ID:7sJ/68Ak No.205479 Ignore Report Quick Reply

This is supposed to be a philosophy discussion board, not an elementary school playground

P.S., my dad could beat up your dad, cocksucker
Nigel Gobblewell - Sun, 27 Mar 2016 00:40:49 EST ID:GyagyXCK No.205480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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my mum could beat up your dad.
Jenny Blarryfield - Mon, 28 Mar 2016 11:36:09 EST ID:jd2LNh4u No.205488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Feminism sucks because it's too contentious to discuss civilly. People major in women's studies so they can discuss it civilly. My mom is gangster as fuck, so fuck you nb
Graham Nickleham - Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:47:12 EST ID:x1FW0Qkw No.205496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"Not giving someone a platform" isn't censoring them in any way.
Graham Nickleham - Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:53:34 EST ID:x1FW0Qkw No.205497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>keep feeling inadequate and threatened, whitey.
>Thank you for that racism/sexism, please just keep proving your group is a hate group for me.

Way to miss his point entirely. The only person he's calling insecure here is you.

Scientology and Dianetics by Recently Clear - Thu, 25 Feb 2016 16:50:49 EST ID:rbHojDsj No.205117 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey I was redirected here from /b/ even though I'm not sure why a thread is moved for being off topic in a board called random but alright.

Anyone else working their way up the Bridge to Total Freedom? I know Scientology gets a bad rap here but I recently went Clear and noticed a drastic improvement in my ability to communicate, my memory and overall happiness.
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Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Fri, 11 Mar 2016 21:05:36 EST ID:gvdNptq8 No.205289 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People defend it.
Charlotte Bardson - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 02:48:37 EST ID:tkHbs9Y8 No.205291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People will defend any belief. Is the flat earth society a legitimate religion? Do E-prime speakers constitute a legitimate religion? When teenage girls argue about the correct way to apply eyeliner, are they defending legitimate religious beliefs? I think your definition needs a bit more definition.
Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 08:28:22 EST ID:gvdNptq8 No.205292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does it have an ontology or a history, a lore. Does it have spiritual practices and rituals? Icons or dieties to pray to and ask guidance from? Well, are these questions even applicable?

Look at Animism, or Panpsychism. The Earth's oldest religion. There are no real histories, lore, spiritual practices or rituals. It has an ontology,which basically sums up to a quote from Pocahontas:

"And I know every rock and tree and creature, has a life, has a spirit, has a name"

And those spirits would be the icons or dieties. Greater cosms of being make up greater beings, from atoms to chemicals to creatures to planets to galaxies and beyond, everything makes up a bit, a role, a subroutine, of the larger spirit it belongs too.

But look again, it has no real histories, lore, spiritual practices or rituals. No holy book of Animism. But it's the world's oldest religion.

That being said:
>Is the flat earth society a legitimate religion? Do E-prime speakers constitute a legitimate religion? When teenage girls argue about the correct way to apply eyeliner, are they defending legitimate religious beliefs?

All of those could become religions in their own right if enough people or even just one put enough time and effort into it. The Flat-earthers start wearing flat-earther robes and writing flat-earth psalms when they get together? Religion. Speakers of E-Prime begin charging disallowed words as sigils? Religion. A random girl in Iowa goes into her closet for application and has to do it in front of a Hey Arnold type of shrine made out of makeup tools while reciting incantations? Religion.
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Kocoayello !jxaL03vL/Q - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 01:02:19 EST ID:gvdNptq8 No.205414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Hows it any different to "if you believe in x book you shall go to x place and be saved!"?

Little do people know that this is how dying actually works. Or at least should.
Walter Cubberbot - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 07:08:53 EST ID:WC+NHKeH No.205415 Ignore Report Quick Reply

What is white guilt, and why should I feel it? by Rebecca Dartworth - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 18:48:06 EST ID:+NcXE+6w No.205317 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The first part of the question's just to get your opinion, but the why is a legit question.

I'm a middle-class white American, and I really don't get it. My family basically lucked out; the traditional job stretching back 3 generations is longshoring, which is hard work that pays great. It's an industry that, back in the day, was filled with nepotism; it was and still is also filled with lots of immigrants and other races. Because of this, growing up I had a very comfortable life, and I got to interact with and get to know a lot of people in other races.

So why should I feel guilt for what my race has done, in relation to supposedly every other race? Native Americans, I can understand; we did some fucked up stuff to their people. But the way I see it is that we haven't done much wrong to the other races. Mexicans had basically the same chances that Americans did, because Europeans invaded their country around the same time. It's not our fault that things haven't turned out well for them.

And the blacks? Look at Africa right now, it wouldn't be doing any better if we'd left millions of people there. Additionally, we basically "raised them up"; I'm sure any black person in America would rather be here than back there, working for shitty pay in a shitty continent, running the risk of being raped or killed at nearly any time. As much as slavery sucked for the slaves, I'm sure that if you offered them a deal where they and two or three generations after worked for their entire lives, with the caveat that the generations after would live incredibly better lives than those who didn't agree to the deal, they'd take it.
please help, I'm all stimmed and got triggered by a post about this stuff, I'm open to changing my mind but I need reasons why I should presented to me
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Phoebe Cundlegold - Sat, 19 Mar 2016 17:15:21 EST ID:zcoM4KDE No.205396 Ignore Report Quick Reply
[citation needed]

Just finished his autobio a few months ago, don't recall that hmm
Eliza Pumbletock - Sat, 19 Mar 2016 18:54:02 EST ID:kfE5Ci5u No.205397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ANC songs detailing white genocide-

You can also use wikipedia or any web search and look up
-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983
-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985
-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988
-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986
-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988
-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987
-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988
which is a tiny amount of signed off on white genocide.
but hey, atleast he's not racist
Eliza Worthingstock - Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:38:30 EST ID:sMIiQvw+ No.205398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
LMAO nice false Xhosa translation
Sidney Bronkinstatch - Sat, 19 Mar 2016 22:54:45 EST ID:sMIiQvw+ No.205404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh btw nice appeal to the average individual's insecurities hope you have a nice car
Lillian Bonningforth - Sun, 20 Mar 2016 07:38:10 EST ID:WC+NHKeH No.205406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What the fuck are you talking about?

You should really go back to /tinfoil/ where you belong.

Philosophy by Ernest Wuvingham - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:26:21 EST ID:9PdOSkmz No.205359 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What do you think about the philosophy as an activity of these days?
I’m going to tell you what I think and would like to know your opinion, if you agree or not, and, obviously, why.
In fact I will said what I think about philosophy in general and explain a little about my context.
I’m from a county of Latin America and I went to college to study philosophy but I didn’t finish my studies. I realize that in college, at least in this corner of the world, in social science everybody have to be part of a political party to get a job in that institution, it’s nearly impossible to get a job in college if you don’t play for one of those partys and I never wanted to join to any of them, there are pure shit that do nothing but try to sustain their power in that building.
Maybe connected with that fact about social science college is what I think that it’s happening to philosophy and maybe to other social sciences too: everybody there just sit down alone in their rooms, read some books and write some fucking paper about a possible relation between the figure of prince of Maquiavelo and the prince of Shakespeare. What kind of repercussion does it have that kind of works in the world or even the life of people?
And what I’m saying is important for what I think that philosophy is: to me philosophy is not just a bunch of guys talking about what is the Being, a philosopher, with his work should create a being that have some kind of repercussion in people lives, at least in the people that surround them.
One day I was thinking about Plato: he didn’t just sit there and talk about the being and what it is. When he was alive there were other people interested in knowledge, the truth, politics and education with their point of view, they elaborate, maybe not consciously, a being and live according to it. They were the sophist and Plato didn’t like them at all. And to fight against them, to make people live in another way , a way that maybe was not the best, but just another way, he created a space where the truth, education, politics, etc., had the being that he wanted. He, with philosophy, made people live in another way.
Why do I bring this example? Because I can contrast it with what happens in college: people in that pl…
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Hedda Surringlock - Wed, 16 Mar 2016 10:04:42 EST ID:vyHlVFda No.205362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
maybe you shouldve gone to art school...
Fucking Bammerson - Wed, 16 Mar 2016 12:19:22 EST ID:9PdOSkmz No.205363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fucking Bammerson - Wed, 16 Mar 2016 12:20:25 EST ID:9PdOSkmz No.205364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pino, fron now on, we can chat trought this
Nigger Blobberfat - Sat, 02 Apr 2016 04:36:22 EST ID:t6MSIlrw No.205517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>What kind of repercussion does it have that kind of works in the world or even the life of people?
I concur that science and philosophy should apply to real life situations more instead of abstract subjects that bare little relevance to looming problems now and on the horizon. Perhaps act as activist-scholars per se. How can thoughts translate into actions and from within each respective field.

Cool Ted Talks, example of applying idea to situation where there is need. Albeit took good amount of resources to do, smaller experiments count too.

Privilege by Samuel Wimmerridge - Tue, 01 Dec 2015 08:22:40 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.204325 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What IS privilege? I see people talk about it a lot in liberal circles, yet I always see a lack of consistency on the subject. I think this is because people are confused as to what is a privilege and what is a right.

When I want to think about how privileged I am, I think about the worst places in the world, places where rape and starvation and disease are commonplace. I consider it a privilege that I am not a mutant that survives on cow shit in India or a hard-worker in Africa that just had their village raided and their wives raped. I see clean water and public education as massive privileges, along with purchasable health-care. I take it for granted that every single little thing I have to thank my ancestors for is privilege. Yet the most commonplace argument I see surrounding privilege is, 'you're light-skinned in a world where the majority of successful nations are dominantly light-skinned, therefore you have the privilege of feeling the positive effects of racism in capitalism.'
A pretty weak argument, in my opinion.
Maybe some people just have no understanding of the world around them, whether it's immediate or far-far-away.
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George Mammleput - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 21:56:27 EST ID:kfE5Ci5u No.205321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the difference in economics and status between blacks and whites are historically rooted in slavery

Look at Rome in 2000 BC, now look at Sub-Saharan African even today.
Tell me again that the difference is linked to 1800s slavery when there was a gap in culture, economics, and civilization 2-4 thousand years before hand.

But the new ideology is Communism, you can't say that your ancestors built this country, this country belongs to everyone. No matter how hard you work there is some invisible boogeyman holding someone back from working as hard but they should still receive the same benefits you do, even when they don't work or participate in civilization at all. Because that's the ideology's game plan, to destroy the middle class to ensure that everyone lives in the same squalid conditions even if you are a doctor and your neighbor is a McDonald's fry cook.
Why? Because then the workers will fight each other, over race, over gender, over taxation, over culture, over crime... all the while our hyper-capitalist masters watching the milling crowd laugh whole hardedly at this bastardized capitacommunist system they are creating. Capitalism for the upper class, squalid communism for everyone else.
David Feffingsire - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:08:04 EST ID:k5mSodoT No.205325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>you can't say that your ancestors built this country

Right - instead you say that your ancestors *and their slaves* built this country.
Shit Penkinridge - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 00:15:08 EST ID:WC+NHKeH No.205332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This shit really chafes my fucking nipples. If a black guy kills a member of my family, do blacks as a whole have any responsibility? Of fucking course not.

So then, why is it that all whites should pay for slavery when owning a slave made you the MINORITY. Most families never had one. Why is it a "white" thing and not an "asshole" thing? Why can't we help the poor because it's the right thing to do, not because the evil white man owes them restitution?

It's fucking stupid. You're making it all about race and revenge when it should just be as fucking simple as helping people who need it because it's the right thing to do. This whole "privilege" thing only alienates people further by breaking everyone into arbitrary us and them categories. You're not doing anything but encouraging adversarial thinking. There shouldn't be us and them, it should just fucking be us.
Caroline Himmleway - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:28:04 EST ID:YONArVoZ No.205352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think if someone wants to take pride in the accomplismhments of their ancestors, they'd better be prepared to confront their ancestors' failures.
Shitting Sondleworth - Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:10:01 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What can be defined as a failure? Mind you, what you consider failure may very well be what they considered success 300 years ago. Like, today, most people say that slavery was a failure, when in reality slavery was everywhere and was essentially the prison system of most cultures, and you really could see prison systems as modernly-acceptable slavery. Something they may view of hard-earned progress that makes the best of a shitty situation could be something you view as unacceptable, but really you'd be the one who simply lacks understanding of their plight.

If there's one thing I will never tell people to do, it's look at history with the attitude that anything we deem unacceptable today should have been considered unacceptable hundreds or thousands of years ago, because we don't know the details of the situations so we can't judge well as to whether or not what they did was right.

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