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CONTINENTAL THREAD by Edwin Shittingfuck - Sun, 08 May 2016 18:34:16 EST ID:Ia1kuS46 No.205911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Whatcha reading /pss/?

Currently reading Being and Time and enjoying Heidegger's take on death. Particularly anxiety as revealing "the possibility of impossibility." Nice fat phrase to chew on and mull over.

Anyone reading Levinas or Blanchot at the moment?
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Nathaniel Claygold - Tue, 10 May 2016 20:41:11 EST ID:O0wxYlbv No.205929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i did an essay on anxiety with heidegger and kierkegaard, and I read levinas and blanchot not too long ago
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Thomas Brizzlewill - Wed, 11 May 2016 05:27:56 EST ID:Ia1kuS46 No.205930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205929
What does Kierkegaard say about angst?

Also do you prefer Blanchot/ Levinas' idea of death as a radical passivity or side with Heidegger's more lucid and active stance towards death?
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Cedric Trotbury - Sun, 15 May 2016 03:18:38 EST ID:rqRwqAL5 No.205980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dostoyevsky, The Possessed. Spoiler alert: Pyotr kills Dumbledore. I've read quite a few of his other works, and although it was slow going at first, I really started getting into the story. Bam, scandal, fire, murder, suicide, such as offended my sensibilities. I cringed when Stepan impotently latched on to the first woman he met on his escape to spite Varvara. Stavorgin's confession and Dumbledore's death after the baby had me perturbed. Yet I don't know if it was that I learned Camus wrote a theatrical rendition or that the book was the revolution before the revolution, but it had a greater impact on me than the Idiot, brothers Karamazov, etc. It's one thing to have the man from the underground chastise you, his reader, but the work made me feel as if the author was reaching out from his grave and squeezing my heart. See? Shatov experiences the joy of fatherhood, even though it's Stavrogin's cild. In the worst possible circumstances a miracle takes place within Shatov's dried up little heart, just as with Stavrogin's disgusting shame at the little girl kissing him from a tormented life of regular beatings. And blam! Now he's dead, no fun for you. All die. The complexity was astounding, and yes, the political message will always hold true. You scandalize and rile a people up, then they will eat out of your hand to escape the trauma. Not super into philosophy, but I'm taking a look at Virginia Woolf and Rousseau.
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Martin Duffingford - Wed, 18 May 2016 00:55:55 EST ID:zYssCXpY No.205997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205930

You'll have to remind me again what Blanchot/Levinas' "death as a radical passivity" mean. When I said "not too long ago", I mean like a year and half now, but I'm sure if you remind me it'll all come back.

A lot of Kierkegaard's views on angst are basically readdressed and secularized by Heidegger. He basically compares anxiety as "an opening up of possibilities." That is, when one is anxious, we stand outside of ourselves, and realize that we're caught up in the they and in a state of inauthenticity. Kierkegaard says we are born into the world innocence (essentially ignorant which he compared the story of genesis), and only through anxiety we realize our own individuality, and transcend ourselves, and become conspicuous of our surroundings. Which makes anxiety something that's not necessarily a "negative trait" like a lot psychologist or layman might think .

Anxiety also for Kierkegaard is a state-of-affairs that's directed at no-thingness. Like fear which has a directedness at something which we're afraid of, anxiety lingers in us in way that can't be escaped, it asks us to make authenticity decisions, and will ourselves into making choices. Since it's when possibilities are closed-off is when we're most anxious.
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Jack Breddlestare - Wed, 18 May 2016 06:42:48 EST ID:1LNXF1XF No.205998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205997
Thanks for the explanation!

Okay so bearing in mind that Blanchot takes aaages to convey v subtle points I'll try my best. For Blanchot, using Rilke as his target (which we could switch with Heidegger) he disagrees that one can or should try to make death's ones own. In other words, life can't be a preparation for death or acting out every decision in view of what is authentic since death is such a radical Otherness.

His best explanation of this radical Otherness of death is perhaps in 'The Space of Literature.' When looking at suicide, which people have argued is the only truely authentic act, Blanchot argues that, yes, we can use our agency to get us to the point at which we execute the act but then there is another death wherein this radical Otherness consumes us and where we can only take a passive stance. Blanchot calls this 'a double death' and that which engulfs us, forfeiting the possibility of a personal death he refers to as the 'Outside.' So therefore when one has anxiety, for Blanchot, there is still a sense in which one feels locked out or turned away from this 'Outside.'

Levinas I think builds on Blanchot's point in a few different ways. First he says that in angst one is like a bystander and the world passes one by (sounds like facing the Outside to me) NOT as Heidegger would suggest wherein we find ourselves being able to select a particular possibility. Second, Levinas locates a radical Otherness in the 'visage' (Face) of the Other. Only the other person's gaze can draw us out of this radically passive state and back into a normal active life.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Fri, 20 May 2016 02:34:29 EST ID:cl4v6xkU No.206022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205911
OH BOY THERE'S A CONTY THREAD ON /PSS/
I'm so sad I stopped 420chinning like a month ago. Man I need to take the time to add to this thread.

In the meantime, enjoy facebook.com/contymemes
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Oliver Drombleman - Fri, 20 May 2016 20:24:42 EST ID:zYssCXpY No.206031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205998

What do you mean by, "Only the other person's gaze can draw us out of this radically passive state and back into a normal active life." As I recall, the face-to-face was more of a ethical move away from normative ethics, a call to reconsider what we think is justice by viewing justice as radical transcendence.
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Frederick Gillerfield - Sat, 21 May 2016 09:44:39 EST ID:usd4smDV No.206033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206031
I haven't read much Levinas so I wouldn't know. I agree that it isn't normative ethics but I don't see exactly how a responsibility to the Other is 'transcendent?'
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Oliver Drombleman - Sat, 21 May 2016 13:55:15 EST ID:zYssCXpY No.206034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206033

Well, in Totality and Infinity Levinas puts Metaphysics before Ontology to counter Heidegger. Basically as a way of saying that ethics are beyond human reasoning, ethics are impossible, come before our spontaneity, etc. So if justice is transcendence, it is radically Other, something other than what we think. It forms only from the continual act of reinterpreting it.
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Frederick Gillerfield - Sat, 21 May 2016 16:17:00 EST ID:usd4smDV No.206035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206034
Dope.

Just curious, what does Levinas mean by Metaphysics in this case? As a big fan of Heidegger I don't see what could be better as a base than (fundamental) ontology..
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:07:07 EST ID:i6Id+/bH No.206227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206035
Ontology is not a base but a separate bracket under the philosophy of "being" and maybe paralleled with general metaphysics.
You're implying a LOT if you say that ontology is the foundation for anything.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:45:44 EST ID:i6Id+/bH No.206228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>(((DONT)))
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Augustus Craggledale - Sat, 18 Jun 2016 02:15:55 EST ID:DaJFXbyH No.206238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you combined heideger's take on anxiety phrased as the possibility of impossibilty.

And anxiety leading to one being one's true self in light of one's future death

And kierkagaard's take on anxiety as one realizing one is free in anxiety including free to die but is phrased as anxiety being the recognition of possibility

would anxiety really be over the being realizing it's alive
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 05:16:00 EST ID:G2LMnx/t No.206243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206238
If death is the realization of the impossible, then yes.
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Hamilton Fuddleson - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:25:42 EST ID:CQCOxC+k No.206254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206228
Care to explain the pic?
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:31:14 EST ID:gm9dPrV5 No.206256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206254
OK. I typed out a huge fucking thing and it got deleted. Now I'm upset. Let me do this again since I'll probably explain it on this board 5-10 times within this year. It's just annoying.

I usd4smDV mentioned that he should use ontology as a base for x given that he enjoys Heidegger. This can be true but is destructive and self-feeding since it assumes a flaccid definition of the terms "concrete thing" and therefore "being". In the analytic school of though, those are pretty rigid. However, even ignoring the analytic argument (which we can since this is a conty thread), it still its own rigid definitions and assumptions that you should not hold onto when defining metaphysics.
See >>205780 for more on phenomenology/metaphysics

The picture was one I found saved and explained to Iusd4smDV that he should not "inflate his ontology" by leading it too much credence than it deserves when discussing continentalism as a whole. The picture is just funny because it can be used by analytics to tell conties not to go too deep down their conty holes and remember that specific items have grounding. This is not as obvious or even sometimes right out ignored when discussing metaphysics in a continental debate.

It's not a bad thing at all. But then you would be discussing a very specific case with pre-defined terms whereas we have not yet set them. This is how one easily becomes lost and confused when discussing philosophy.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:32:03 EST ID:gm9dPrV5 No.206257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206254
OK. I typed out a huge fucking thing and it got deleted. Now I'm upset. Let me do this again since I'll probably explain it on this board 5-10 times within this year. It's just annoying.

I usd4smDV mentioned that he should use ontology as a base for x given that he enjoys Heidegger. This can be true but is destructive and self-feeding since it assumes a flaccid definition of the terms "concrete thing" and therefore "being". In the analytic school of though, those are pretty rigid. However, even ignoring the analytic argument (which we can since this is a conty thread), it still its own rigid definitions and assumptions that you should not hold onto when defining metaphysics.
See >>205780 for more on phenomenology/metaphysics

The picture was one I found saved and explained to Iusd4smDV that he should not "inflate his ontology" by leading it too much credence than it deserves when discussing continentalism as a whole. The picture is just funny because it can be used by analytics to tell conties not to go too deep down their conty holes and remember that specific items have grounding. This is not as obvious or even sometimes right out ignored when discussing metaphysics in a continental debate.

It's not a bad thing at all. But then you would be discussing a very specific case with pre-defined terms whereas we have not yet set them. This is how one easily becomes lost and confused when discussing philosophy.
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Priscilla Blackgold - Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:05:34 EST ID:T3yGXKTP No.206263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206256
How is the term being or object flaccid in Heidegger man?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He rigorously chats on about what each is and is not throughout the whole of Being and Time and many other essays????
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:32:33 EST ID:3jYxvTKU No.206269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>206263
If it were not flaccid, why would he have to write multiple essays, etc. on the nature of being and then make up different words for the existence of "being"?
Perhaps we just have a different definition of "flaccid".
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James Dunderlock - Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:36:45 EST ID:MEvmVPSK No.206290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206269
thanks fam
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Martin Mevinglerk - Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:12:19 EST ID:hvs4h/ox No.206293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206269
it's kind of like why plato writes so much about the republic in the republic
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Jarvis Brookbury - Fri, 08 Jul 2016 21:39:05 EST ID:h82HgvHl No.206295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205911
Not philosophy, but I'm reading a bibliography on Franz J. Haydn. He was a cool guy.
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Bombastus Werrywag - Mon, 18 Dec 2017 02:55:58 EST ID:zcJg5i2s No.208568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205911
wow this thread is old
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Frederick Docklefuck - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 22:15:19 EST ID:vwIDntc2 No.208593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>206269
I love how this has been up for over half a year already despite this being a SFW board. Just proves there's basically no moderation whatsoever on this board.
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Nicholas Settingfoot - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:38:53 EST ID:YzWsRZXQ No.208598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205911
Currently reading The Center of the Cyclone by John C. Lily and a book about the use of Eastern philosophy in psychotherapy. I forgot who it's by. I left the book at home.
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Jack Penningfick - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:51:38 EST ID:YInCfjsg No.208611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://e-reading.club/book.php?book=134630
This book about Pyrrhonism.
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Georgie Dubs - Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:23:50 EST ID:7U/IhOvJ No.208790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>205911
>911
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