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frankfurt school by Priscilla Gaddlefat - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 19:09:16 EST ID:ypqGZf3j No.207836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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is it safe to say that no one who believes in "cultural marxism" and points to the frankfurt school as some spooky bohemian grove type of thing where a bunch of jews gathered to decide the fate of the world has actually read this thing?
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Graham Fonnerfuck - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 05:24:27 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's pretty clear that everyone who believes in cultural marxism has never read anything.
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Cedric Binkinson - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 10:34:08 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207837
There's actually quite a few authors on the subject of cultural marxism and why it's a good thing these days.

That being said, as a philosopher, I know they're all wrong, and I've read some of their work first-hand, and I can clearly see that it's wrong. It's reading material for people who don't know history or facts, that's for sure.
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Graham Fonnerfuck - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 12:10:56 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207838
I meant to say that everyone who believes that cultural marxism "infecting the world" is a real thing has never read anything and is a fucking retarded braindead schizophrenic.
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Hugh Smalldock - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:08:59 EST ID:ypqGZf3j No.207856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>There's actually quite a few authors on the subject of cultural marxism and why it's a good thing these days

No one who isn't a conspiracy theorist uses the term "cultural marxism" to describe anything

>That being said, as a philosopher, I know they're all wrong, and I've read some of their work first-hand, and I can clearly see that it's wrong. It's reading material for people who don't know history or facts, that's for sure.


lmao
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Augustus Blonderchodge - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:14:50 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207856

Once you realize it's X8es from /pol/ the unfounded hubris and assumption that he knows more than everyone when he actually knows less makes sense
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Augustus Blonderchodge - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:15:44 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
another clue is "as a philosopher" (LOL)
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Reuben Daffinglock - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:22:06 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207857
>>it's X8es from /pol
mind = blown. That's a pretty damning accusation if true, Cedric?
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Sophie Turveywater - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:02:52 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207859
I'm glad to see some of my fans know me so well they can spot me even on other boards hahaha. I'm really flattered.

But how is that accusation damning in any way?
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Edward Hingerdale - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:56:30 EST ID:XOqZWzTC No.207862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207861
Well, from a non-biased-even-ignorant 3rd party standpoint, if they sussed out your identity simply from the nature of your posts, that proves you are not arguing from a position of objective logos. If you were bringing solid arguments, they could be raised by anyone, being fairly substantiated with evidence-based reasoning.
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Sophie Turveywater - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:24:00 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207862
I like your answer, but I can't agree with it.
>if they sussed out your identity simply from the nature of your posts, that proves you are not arguing from a position of objective logos.
Not true. Identifying someone is in no way a disproof of any of their arguments. They identified me through my choice of words and how I phrase things, not based on anything philosophical. Specifically, we on /pss/ don't talk about any of the same things we on /pol/ talk about, therefore it's highly unlikely that anyone here identified me through my political/philosophical stances.

I bring solid arguments to the table that can be raised by anyone, and I've seen many other people beside champion my facts and statements in the face of disagreeing parties.

Case and point; I could reference books about Cultural Marxism right now, something I've never done on /pol/, which would also disprove the statements of my arguers here, whom argue that nobody talks about Cultural Marxism, which in my opinion is a crazy statement since the entire thread is proof in and of itself that Cultural Marxism is a topic people discuss in this day and age. I mean, here's an entire list of 36 books, plenty of which are recent, that discuss cultural marxism.
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/cultural-marxism
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Sophie Turveywater - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:27:11 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Besides, in my opinion it's obvious that we all dislike the philosophy of Cultural Marxism, yet people here attack my statement and my character simply for pointing out that it is a subject of conversation in this day and age. While some of us (myself and OP) are trying to converse, others jump in merely to make fun of the conversers. Where's the philosophy or maturity in that?
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Reuben Daffinglock - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:43:22 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207861
Because on /pol/ you are almost as famous as a tripfag for the insanity of your posts. I will say now that the X8es = 54PB cat is out of the bag, I will probably take your posts on /pol/ more seriously just based on the good stuff I've seen you post here...and probably take your posts here less seriously, based on what I've seen you post there... :/

>>lets actually talk about Cultural Marxism
This is a garbage thread, there's no reason to not derail it. You realize that list of books you posted is made by people who are harping about the existence of Cultural Marxism as an anti-left boogeyman, which of course exists because that's the whole reason the term got started, as a boogeyman. What is being asserted is that there are no books defending Cultural Marxism from it's own perspective, because it's not a real perspective, but a boogeyman.
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Martin Nandlefield - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:35:04 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207863

>How to Survive the Apocalypse: Zombies, Cylons, Faith, and Politics at the End of the World (Paperback)
by Robert Joustra (shelved 1 time as cultural-marxism)

>Old School: Life in the Sane Lane (Kindle Edition)
by Bill O'Reilly

>The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Schools, Faith, and Military (Hardcover)
by Michael Savage (shelved 1 time as cultural-marxism)

>Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything (Hardcover)
by Robert R. Reilly (shelved 1 time as cultural-marxism)

>¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole (Kindle Edition)
by Ann Coulter (shelved 1 time as cultural-marxism)

The reason people in this thread are laughing is because the people who talk about "cultural marxism" generally don't have a fucking clue and are peddling an ideology, which is very different from seeking out truth. A lot of it rests on conspiracy theory that makes little sense.

But why don't you lay it all out? Why does this need to be discussed, what is actually happening that can be described as "cultural marxism" that's a problem? For bonus points, can you define "cultural marxism?"
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 11 Mar 2017 06:58:57 EST ID:3OceFGwp No.207870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207867
lol
>>207836
Good book, even if H&A are dirty revisionists. The great irony of course is that Marx has been completely ousted from the American academy, and what an undergrad learns in a typical critical theory or gender studies class does not resemble Marxist materialism even slightly.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:04:54 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This whole thread is why I am bipartisan.

You have people on the right trying to talk about real issues, but sounding like they take the short bus, and you have people on the left ignorantly denying the issue is even real, while citing the right's stupidity like it somehow proves they hold the ball.

In my book Cultural Marxism is slang for the Postmodernist Agenda, and here is what I think about all that... http://pastebin.com/PeQdURsv not that I haven't already posted this a few times now...
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 06:26:30 EST ID:3OceFGwp No.207873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207872
>and here is what I think about that: www.timecube.txt.rar
Are you Ignatius Reilly?
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Nigel Gimbleshaw - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:48:54 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207872
>the fool

Oh, you almost fooled me into taking you serious!
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Fuck Pockville - Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:10:28 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207872

I still refuse to read your bloated shit

Get off your ego trip and learn to fucking write
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:30:01 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207873
>>207874
>>207875
>doesn't read article
>claims writing is bad.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 01:07:21 EST ID:vano1wpA No.207877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207876
Have you ever taken a composition class in high school or university? Honest question. They teach you useful things like how to avoid making 5000 word unreadable screeds. They don't teach you how not to be a crank though, no easy fix for that.
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Barnaby Cheddlepadge - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:20:24 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207876
>posts regularly on /tinfoil/
>expects to be taken seriously
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Nigel Blettingdale - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:32:37 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207877
>Be the Flicker (tripfag).
>Be upset that someone went on a rant.
>Be acting superior.

You know, Flicker, I've seen Fool get into quite a lot of philosophical conversation with quite a lot to say and strings of logic clearly written out for us all to understand, where as I don't think I've ever seen you talk about anything of substance. You just seem to haunt this board to bitch and moan about all the people who actually take part in it.
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Barnaby Cheddlepadge - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:35:27 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207880
Diarrheaing /tinfoil/ bullshit with zero depth all over 420chan does not count as philosophical conversation.

Might as well count Alex Jones, David Icke and Ayn Rand as philosophers if that counts.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:39:23 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207879
I don't go to /tinfoil/, now you're just making shit up.

>>207881
If you actually read my posts you would know that it has nothing to do with anything conspiracy related.

The really sad thing is that retards like these who use ad-hominem attacks probably don't even know what ad-hominem is.
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Sidney Brommlewat - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:54:33 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207882
Oh I know what an ad-hominem argument is. And you know what? I don't give a fuck. Because as long as fucking retards like you keep posting here, I don't need to stick to any kind of formal logic rules, because ya'll posting bollocks anyway. I'm not going to follow the rules of logic when you are so far up lalaland that you wouldn't even recognize logic if it smacks its big fat dick in your face.

I strictly post by the "you get what you deserve" rule. And The Fool !oj3475yHBQ is only gonna get low-effort posts.
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Polly Hurryfield - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 07:54:31 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207836
cultural marxism is a concept invented by the nazis, it has no relevance, it's a facet of (far-) right propaganda.

I read a bit of Marcuse (Frankfurt school) in university and was taught a bit about their theories. It was in a class called critical studies, which was mainly about critical theory. Tbh I didnt find it particularly enlightening, its all pretty sensible. Mainly what the frankfurt school represents is the shift from orthodox marxism ( leninism etc.) to a marxism that is more compatible with social democracy and the growth of the middle class in the mid 20th century. They are still revolutionaries but think the revolution will come about via very different processes and corrected marxism to be in line with the actual history of the 20th century. All their ideas mirrored social processes that were happening on the ground in post war societies; hippies basically. It's a thing of its time, but everything is.
I might be remembering wrongly but I believe Adorno and others also had a thread about the downside of enlightenment values, how rationalism or the supremacy of science enforces negative processes such as sexism and racism. That was what I found particularly interesting but it's more fleshed out by people like Foucault. See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic_of_Enlightenment
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Polly Hurryfield - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:20:33 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207882
>One of the most obvious forms of rhetoric within postmodernism, is that of the agenda to eradicate racism, and this goal was actualized just like a tyrant, a power monger, wanting to dominate a situation by virtue of manipulating the logical context of it. In this case, attempting to abolish racism by attempting to deny that the word “race” has any reality in our scientific, reasonable understanding of reality, by rhetorically asserting that the term “Race” has been mistaken for an understanding of species.

If youre going to write about postmodernism you should at least find a decent working definition of postmodernism, instead of boiling it down to 'they deny the concept of race' which you have done. You also claim it's an ideology, which isnt true and is a tactic of lots of reactionaries; islamophobes claim islam is an ideology, anti feminists claim feminism is an ideology. You've just got hold of a tinfoil definition and run with it. For all your talk about rationalism you should follow it yourself and try to better understand postmodernism itself. Your whole text is shit so far because it has no bearing on reality. Logic is only worth something in tandem with empiricism.
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Sophie Dindleworth - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:21:12 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207883
>I disagree with you
>Therefore you don't understand logic.
Cry harder, bitch nigga.
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Sophie Dindleworth - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:22:45 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ayn Rand would whoop your ass in a debate. A woman acknowleged as one of the greatest minds in modern economics, the Artistotle of capitalism, is worth way more than a little bitch crying.
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Polly Hurryfield - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:30:44 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207887
lol
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Sidney Brommlewat - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:30:16 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207885
Oh wow, so The Fool isn't just a fucking retarded braindead /tinfoil/ cunt, he's also a the future stormfront circlejerk racist cunt. Good to know.
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Angus Dockleshaw - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:03:54 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207890
he's a conservative shitlord who uses pretentious pseudo-philosophy to insulate himself from things he doesnt like in/about the modern world. I dont think he's a stormcuck tho.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:00:54 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207891
I'm bipartisan with left leaning tendencies...
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Angus Dockleshaw - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 06:37:38 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207892
not really tho. nb
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Archie Cellywater - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:42:55 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207890
>>207891
Excuse me while I, one of the only philosophers on this board, literally destroy your nonsense with this next statement.
Can you offer proof of any of these claims? Or do you work in nothing but assumptions based on wishful thinking?

>>207892
This thread is the epitome of why we can't have good threads on /pss/.
So, let's try to re-rail this a little.

>I'm a bipartisan with left leaning tendencies
What does that mean? I'm a centrist, and I believe in balance.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:54:57 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207894
I'm bipartisan in that I refuse to support one party over the other, as I think they both have pros and cons.

I'm left leaning in that I believe in socialized health care, the rights of anyone to love anyone in any form, abortion, high CEO salary taxes..etc. I'm only right in the sense of believing in low corporate taxes and the right to carry firearms.
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Angus Drongerfoot - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:57:20 EST ID:V2xMGSRV No.207896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207894
>I, one of the only philosophers on this board,
talk about unqualified statements.
What i said in 891 was based on the fools own writing which he posted via a pastebin link above in this thread. He demonstrates no real working knowledge of what postmodernism is and it reads like the blogpost of an awm looking for something to blame for a modern world he just doesnt like. Besides it wouldnt surprise me if hes plagiarised stefan molyneux or joseph peterson.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:05:47 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207896
Except you choose to ignore the part where I identify postmodernism as viewing everything as a product of power dynamics, and only post the part where I mention an agenda so it could seem like it was /tinfoil/.

=/
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Samuel Picklehall - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:18:41 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207897
Well I don't want to get snarled into this debate between you and your detractors You're both right/wrong, yeah, you could stand to take a writing course to learn how to edit for brevity and clarity, but also these dicks are dismissing you out of hand simply because they don't want to look past your style, and/or are misunderstanding your content because of your style. On the other hand, maybe I'm the one misunderstanding and it actually is BS, who knows

But I do want to ask you a question about your take on post-modernism. I'll admit I didn't read the whole pastebin so if you explain this somewhere just copypasta me. But why do you think post-modernism is exclusively a world view shaped by beliefs in power dynamics? That sounds more like structuralism to me. Post-modernism as a blanket term for a stage in our cultural evolution includes structuralism, for sure, but as only one possible aspect which you can take or leave, since the actual defining characteristic of post-modernism is critical theory (in the general sense) and abstract relativism. A view of the world that denies the existance of power dynamics whatsoever is just as post-modern as one that asserts there are ONLY power dynamics, so I think 'post-modernism' isn't quite the term you're looking for.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:05:00 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207898
>why do you think post-modernism is exclusively a world view shaped by beliefs in power dynamics?

It's what I was told in my basic sociology courses by professors and textbooks.
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Emma Blackridge - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:05:35 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207899
Oh I see, well then you should probably re-examine those beliefs, might as well start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism
>> encompassing a broad range of ideas, postmodernism is typically defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony or distrust toward grand narratives, ideologies and various tenets of Enlightenment rationality, including notions of human nature, social progress, objective reality and morality, absolute truth, and reason.[4] Instead, it asserts that claims to knowledge and truth are products of unique social, historical or political discourses and interpretations, and are therefore contextual and constructed to varying degrees. Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, irreverence and self-referentiality.

As I suggested, the defining feature of post-modernism is a rejection of the value systems of modernism by the use of specific critical methodologies, the most key of which is the concept of relativism. The role power dynamics play in society is the subject of study in a lot of fields, and especially structuralism is a post-modern school concerned strongly with it, but they are separate things, and if your professors somehow led you to think they were the same thing (can't imagine a textbook would...) then they were simply in error, or applying a colloquial understanding of what post-modernism stands for.
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Matilda Wicklepene - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:03:02 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207897
>a product of power-agents acting upon society to promote their own agenda, and that by understanding how these influences of power operate, one may see how a thing actually is. Over the course of the last century, this attempt to understand power has lead to the promotion of equality of minorities

yeah, those tinfoily and non-tinfoily parts didn't really read as seperate....
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Walter Conkinnit - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 05:21:01 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207899
Let me guess. You are a poor poor American grown on philosophically poor soil. Read some real books brother!
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Cyril Murdcocke - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 07:16:04 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207903

Like what?
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Walter Conkinnit - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:56:00 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207904
Basic introductions to philosophy are always good places to start. Even if it's stuff you already know, it's always good to have refreshers. Also, intro books are also excellent references when you're having a discussion.
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Oliver Dirrywidge - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:53:25 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207905

I meant more things that would be relevant in a discussion about post-modernism and the like
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Nicholas Worthingridge - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 10:14:51 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207906
postmodernism is a broad umbrella term for various theories.
One place to start is Ferdinand de Saussur, his semiotic triangle and structuralism. Its important to remember that postmodern philosophy, or perhaps better said, philosophy in the postmodern era proceeds from the point that we are unable to ever really know or really contact anything truly, which is a departure from modernism which held that truth was attainable through modern methods (rationality, science etc).
But there are many other starting points. You could even start with Marx or Nietzsche or looking at Art. Also you could start getting a basic grasp of some of the concepts used within postmodernist philosophy such as deconstruction (Derrida) which is more or less the same thing as deterritorialisation (Deleuze). People can spend years studying this stuff, its not something you learn fully by reading one book or another, even with a basic understanding alot of the stuff can seem confusing.

you could also look for a lecture on youtube, fe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we6cwmzhbBE.


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