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The means of travel influences perspectives by William Clushbid - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:26:46 EST ID:blmfRlfa No.208711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What do ya think? I think the kinds of transportation people use highly influences their perspectives of the world they live in and their relationship with it.

There's a certain malaise to skating through the city, an art to performing tricks. I'm not saying all skaters have the same perspective, that'd be ridiculous to say, there are other experiences that influenced whom that individual is and is becoming.

Drivers see a fast-moving world and only brief impressions of what's going on around them. The Situationists of pre-motorvehicle times surmised the concept of a "derive" as a "rapid passage through varried ambiences" and a kind of drift through their environment, perhaps with a destination in mind, but allowing their selves to be deviated or "drawn by the attractions of the terrain and the encounters they find there."

The Situationists believed their was a psychogeography to our environment, subtle and not-so-subtle influences through sensations (from without) and our feelings and thoughts (from within), and their interrelation. Unlike the idea of drifting, it seems like most drivers travel from point A to point B. They see people also driving in their hunks of metal and/or plastic asides them as obstacles, as annoyances, and yeah occasionally pleasant too. Nonetheless the overarching behaviors and feelings from their interactions within traffic are negative and may transfer over to the times they aren't driving.

I think the Situationists were wrong to say a derive is or has to be rapid. Walking and going on bicycle rides allow for alot more deviation from routine than a car does. (Albeit I'm forgetting the car adventures people can go on, its alot easier to get out of the city with a car than by any other means, and in rural areas you pretty much need a vehicle to get around.) Being a bicyclist as a part of traffic the bicyclist seems to take on a similar mindset as the driver. Though there's a big difference between a "joy-rider" and a "regular commuter".

A major difference between a car and a bicycle is that the driver of a car is surrounded by a ton of steel or whatever, with a motor powered by gas, and the bicyclist maybe wears a helmet and pedals everywhere. Even a seemingly coy person can be aggressive behind the wheel of a vehicle. I think a point of consternation between the avid driver and.bicyclist ra-ra-raing schism is the outspoken and sometimes reckless spirit of bicyclists on the road versus vehicles being potential death-bringers and that there's a lopsided infrastructure that favors vehicles. Perhaps the outspokenness of some bicyclists is to make up for their vulnerability. In a way the bicyclists behavior is a softer variant of how motorcycle gangs sometimes have small ball-bearings hanging from the sides of their handlebars -- to smash a drivers window. Around motorcycles there's a veneer of a wild spirit and something else, (a laughing in the face of death?). Since alot of the early motorcyclists were military veterans from World War II.

Walking in comparison to 20+ MPH is a slugs pace. In a way there is so much more going on in the world to a walker because of the amount of exposure to details going on and a deeper interrelation with what's going on. By taking the bus and light rail a public-transiter is around other people way more. Their still enclosed in a hunk of metal and plastic, but sharing that space with a bunch of other people, with a bus driver sort of regulating what's going on on their bus. On public transit there's still a certain etiquette of interaction socially. With light-rail there's a sorta more of a free-for-all with the operator a buttons' push away! That seems to go well, most of the time...
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William Clushbid - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:47:20 EST ID:blmfRlfa No.208712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The idea about a derive not necessarily being rapid came from a more recent attempt at expanding the idea of a derive called Surregional Exploration, but that's besides the point.

Also, on the bus getting wherever you're going is out of your hands once you're on board, so its alot more relaxed of a commute than driving in traffic.
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Eliza Drogglelare - Wed, 30 May 2018 23:45:42 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What do y'all think about how traveling effects our interpretation of reality and how individuals act? I encourage those interested in the architecture and city planning effects upon individuals minds to look into psychogeography or surregional exploration.
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Eliza Drogglelare - Thu, 31 May 2018 12:22:27 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Below are some video examples of psychoregional exploration:

London Psychogeography [Euston to Waterloo] https://youtu.be/0WGbOCtns8Y
Derive Final Project [Brazil] https://youtu.be/Bseqv3Y-xQk
Psychogeography (Alfama, Castelo, Mouraria) PARATÍSSIMA LISBOA https://youtu.be/urCTtTySHtw
ESMEGMA JAZZ | Karma coupons for a demanding liver https://youtu.be/-ivnPLVxXTk
From Hill To Sea - Dispatches from the Fife Psychogeographical Collective - 2010-14 https://youtu.be/KozGcZqLo4U
Psychogeography https://youtu.be/CpnG6PLtMME
Cape Town a Psychogeography https://youtu.be/q_Z8abdLPmQ
Alsace. Psychogeography. Wandering through Alsation Space https://youtu.be/l474lVuENyM
Psychogeography Project - MEDS1101 https://youtu.be/xIKe-4AcuzA
Psychogeography [Edmonton] https://youtu.be/h85HdKYby-8
DERIVE 東京 × Tokyo #1 https://youtu.be/4BSdwtoDrOc
Derive Project [Denver, CO] https://youtu.be/W2EV0xCbHSY
Million Mask Psychogeography [London] https://youtu.be/lFEV8UMTHgQ

Group 5 Video essay (Psychogeography and Drifting) https://youtu.be/wU-6N6l0Cn0
Situationism (psychology) - music improvisation https://youtu.be/EPVWCe7fXBU

Moby - Go https://youtu.be/p7Sl0wMz95w
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Hugh Worthingshit - Thu, 31 May 2018 16:23:41 EST ID:uhpIZv0K No.209256 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I definitely agree. Real estate developers lately have been big on the “psychology of placemaking” and studies are showing that walkable places are better for people’s mental health, particularly older people.

There’s a big aspect of how we see space and its possibilities in modern development. I don’t think people are happy sitting alone in their cars for hours a day and you get something out of going into public and seeing your neighbor.
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Shitting Gassledeg - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:11:20 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My only comment on this topic is that for most of human history the means of transportation directly created the global psychology because it was the speed at which thought itself moved -- when horses were the fastest means of travel, an idea could cross the globe no faster than a horse. Thus the explosion of advancement in speed of transportation technology went along with an explosion in the low latency of the global consciousness.

That is until we get to the age of telecommunication, when our thoughts were enabled to travel faster than we ever physically could. At that point transportation stopped being the primary influencer on psychology, as most mental 'travels' people went on became increasingly through media and not through physical travel. Thus I would suggest looking at how the internet distorts psychology through its role as a 'tele-travel' system, and how such imaginary travels now have a much larger mind-share than their physical journeys, at least for most people. Could this be a source of the modern malaise; we think in fantasy because all we perceive is fantasy and thus we end up becoming imaginary even to ourselves, as we are subconsciously aware that the adventures which influenced our perspectives are themselves false?


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