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Politic Board by Jack Choffingman - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 10:10:22 EST ID:pq+VuhoO No.208893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Havent been on here in years? Anyone know what happened to /pol/?
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Jarvis Fattingten - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 11:19:30 EST ID:K/VyrHqf No.208894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208893

The two sides couldn't get along, got nuked out of existence.
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Sophie Gaddlewater - Sun, 04 Mar 2018 21:50:42 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We murdered almost all the the future immigrants. Soon we'll have murdered all of them.
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Eugene Grimstone - Mon, 05 Mar 2018 11:32:32 EST ID:WFGKCTJE No.208898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208895
I dunno. Like rats on a sinking ship, I think a lot of them are clinging to the rotting /boards/ of this ship of The/pss/eus
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Jenny Dopperfield - Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:05:24 EST ID:pq+VuhoO No.208902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208894

Wow that's a shame. I thought the point of political debate is to have different points of view! That's what made that board interesting! Oh well, guess it must if gotten pretty ugly for mods to shut it down.
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Esther Dreshkirk - Mon, 05 Mar 2018 18:40:57 EST ID:UPvAe2c9 No.208903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208902
Politcal debate works when you have differing views on how to accomplish the same task. The problem has become that no-one agrees on what that task is anymore making it hard to put forward good faith arguments for your perspective.
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Priscilla Commertut - Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:16:40 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208902
If it only brings in fucking retard stormfront racism spammers, there's no debate.
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Martin Gishway - Wed, 07 Mar 2018 08:47:18 EST ID:WFGKCTJE No.208908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208905
There was still a legitimate argument to be made that it functioned as a containment board, and now that it's gone, it's hangers-on have metastasized into the rest of the chan. I think that's why this board has gone in the pooper over the past month or so since the nuking.
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Nathaniel Crushville - Thu, 08 Mar 2018 08:31:09 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.208915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208908
The mods and admins decided that /pol/ worked less like a quarantine, and more like a cancer.

If we still just had a free-for-all between commies, anarchists and LEGALIZE IT libertarians you'd have a point.
But instead we got brainwashed the future drones vs. everyone else.
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Phyllis Sonnerbork - Wed, 21 Mar 2018 01:51:14 EST ID:9A42Pwx1 No.208946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208905
This. /pol/ was killed by FASCISTS. How dare people these "people" support drumpf? There obviously fucking mongoloids as well as fucking racists.
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Eliza Caggletene - Wed, 28 Mar 2018 05:07:40 EST ID:aTWefJHK No.208988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208915

I think the political climate around the world just changed drastically. All of your socialists and liberals are now disgruntled and flirting with communism or anarchism, and the other side is basically having an all out orgy with fascism.

Places like the future view 420chan as a hotbed for scum. They were basically coming here threatening people, laughing at murder, ect. To "fight cultural Marxism". Stormfront is also still butthurt about this place.
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Eliza Caggletene - Wed, 28 Mar 2018 05:09:49 EST ID:aTWefJHK No.208989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208988

And /pSS/ can have good debate related to political theory probably even better because it's meant to get into the psychology or reason behind things not just idealogical emotional debate. Good riddence to /pol/
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Oliver Dartbanks - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:05:38 EST ID:PeV65nn4 No.209003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208946
Were you drunk when you typed that? Go protest in traffic lol
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Emma Cenkinshit - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 01:08:49 EST ID:RKov9N0c No.209005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208893

Leftists are not capable of having political discussion because they are children mentally. Anywhere political discussion is allowed becomes dominated by conservatives because we have history and logic on our side, whereas leftists rely entirely on repeating their anti-truth propaganda narratives in an echo-chamber to spread their views.
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Emma Fillernene - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 01:45:36 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209005

Gee, that sounds like a nuanced view of politics that didn't at all originate in an right-wing backslapping circlejerk.
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Shitting Brimmercocke - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 04:01:11 EST ID:yE9yxW1k No.209007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209005
>political discussion is allowed becomes dominated by conservatives because we have history and logic on our side, whereas leftists rely entirely on repeating their anti-truth propaganda narratives in an echo-chamber to spread their views.

You realize the right does exactly that, though, right? Because what you described is a tendency that's a feature of every political formation, and in today's world it's particularly true of the right, not the left, although the tendency has not disappeared for the left either. it's just less pronounced.
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Walter Billingfoot - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 10:02:50 EST ID:+qAOjSrT No.209010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209005

conservatives sure have history on their sides, not sure about the logic part though.
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Hedda Pittworth - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:59:02 EST ID:PKcNxe+J No.209013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209005
To conservatives 'political discussion' means 'immediately acknowledge that I am right in all ways with no resistance or I will call you a libruhl cuuck and blow up your feed with frog memes.'
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Walter Dublingpit - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 09:08:33 EST ID:MdrXzUYs No.209018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I thought pol turned a corner. During the election we had a lot of posts linking to youtube rants or keeping the front page full of right wing propaganda threads, constantly bumped by unsourced charts and graphs or screen shots of headlines.

Yeah there was still bullshit but the straight up spam had stopped.
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Martin Bemblewill - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 15:56:06 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.209021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209018
Duuuude, shit was spreading to other boards like cancer. I remember reporting at least one /pol/ thread on /psy/ just about every week.

>lololo u guise i took 30850893 tabs of lsd and now im a neofascist whut aboud dat?
>edgy_anime_picture.jpg

And /psy/ being /psy/, they can't leave a shitpost to die. Noooo, it stays on page 0 forever until the faggot cunt that made the thread gets permabanned and the thread gets locked.
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Archie Billingstock - Thu, 05 Apr 2018 01:00:49 EST ID:Fe4V3Hgo No.209023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209010

In a sense that they won and might makes right? The person you're responding to ironically shows a lack of understanding historically while bashing the general, "left" for doing the same thing. Most of the far right have connections to some of the most powerful propaganda mechanisms and PR machines on planet earth. They have a history of supporting repressive forces and almost always side with authoritarianism (as do liberals, who are right wing).

Karl Marx and Adam Smith had some of the same words from different perspectives, yet most of the American intellectual right have no interest in this truth. Their agenda relies entirely upon people understanding Marx as some Soviet figure rather than someone who had a lot of theories that weren't as radical as people believe.

Conversing with the right is odd because they worship capital to the point where their world view is warped so hard it cant admit the basic function of the current economy. They have a hard time accepting that a good chunk of people who contributed to "human liberty" and advancement of thought hold ideas completely counter to the systems they worshipped. So instead they hijack words like liberty for themselves. There's a reason in Spain or France libertarian means anarchist not right wing business owner, suit and tie who votes Rand Paul to lower taxes. Yes, not everyone who opposed capitalism in history were Bolshevik jackboots. They are a small minority of over billions. Get over it. Stop claiming Orwell as an argument for capitalism, he hated capitalism just like Jack London.
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Jenny Fabblebury - Thu, 05 Apr 2018 08:33:23 EST ID:8gq7GAVV No.209024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209023
It's been a long time since I've read up on Marx' theories, but didn't Marx present his theories as simply predictions of the future based on his economic philosophies instead of political guidelines?

I vaguely remember getting very strong "if this continues, forces within society will make X happen" vibes opposed to the "this is a problem, we must make X happen" vibes you find in political works.
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Fuck Genningfuck - Thu, 05 Apr 2018 09:44:14 EST ID:h5yZodFR No.209025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209024

Yeah, he basically said the same things as Adam Smith but from a standpoint where the world was becoming more despotic economically and socially. Adam Smith said you need a state in unequal economies to maintain it, the only difference when Marx said it he said it with disdain rather than with hope for the future.

I'm not even some huge Marx fan, but Adam Smith said perfect markets would lead to perfect liberty. Marx said the whirlwind of capital will be unleashed against humanity so fiercly and self sustaining that not even its proponents would-be able to stop how quickly its logic and structure dominates the world and management of resources. Well look at the situation around yourself and ask, was Marx wrong about capitalism? Seems like Smith was. Of all the things "anti-capitalists" have gotten wrong in history it sure as fuck wasn't "capitalism is the most efficient development of authoritarianism".
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Fuck Genningfuck - Thu, 05 Apr 2018 10:00:22 EST ID:h5yZodFR No.209026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209025

Just some quotes from Marx.

"Freeman and slave, patrician and plebian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word oppressor and oppressed."


Wow..some scary stuff there! Lol. Like I said dude wasn't right about a lot of things but he hits the money on observing the development of capital and how it relates to people around them. The thing these rightists dont want to admit though is Marx is one of hundreds before and billions after who have critiqued capitalism. Not to mention all the thinkers who saw it as authoritarian too. It's much easier to think communism began from a shady figure named Marx's call to arms.
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Nell Lightdale - Fri, 06 Apr 2018 01:26:10 EST ID:Nwy2IF3I No.209027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209026
well I think Marx is the reason so many arguments against communism is ad hominem. Too many people can't separate the person from the idea. They say "Marx was racist so therefore communism is wrong". Obviously the only real way to a have an argument about communism or capitalism is to blank out the names of the people who spoke of them and make everyone anonymous so people actually talk about the logic and not the person whom they have an emotional attachment to. My point is that people should speak of idea itself and disregard the person behind those ideas, so as to form an objective critique. Otherwise you end up saying "Hitler says 1+1=2, but since I hate that guy and he is wrong, therefore 1+1=3"
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Fanny Ninnerspear - Fri, 06 Apr 2018 13:15:43 EST ID:AA6gZSJp No.209028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209027

I get what you're saying but I think the political climate of one of the most widespread and intense panics and witchhunts over a movement has a lasting impact on the culture. The authorities made sure to root out any sense of resistance to the economic powers through very deep networks and webs of action. A HS student in France and Italy might read about socialism, it's tenants, thinkers. Only private school kids or (colleges) get to that level in the USA. It's more exclusive. They've eradicated and made sure that even hypothetical or passive resistance to the logic of capitalism was pushed into a corner,well out of the realm of view. Not only this but they've deported commies and anarchists in history and have flat out murdered them and framed them in the 70s.

Basically,they have a really tight grasp on people's hearts and minds in america. That grasp is starting to grab tighter because people are questioning everything once again. I questioned it as hyperbole at first but we truly do live under pure fascism in the USA.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 06:05:04 EST ID:OLqqby+6 No.209031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209024
No. Marx and Engels were committed, politically active lifelong revolutionaries. In all honesty I’m sort of baffled as to how you could have arrived at this conclusion. It’s true that Marx wrote scientific examinations of political economy, not polemics about how capitalism was mean and unjust, but he did so because he believed this would give the worker’s movement the theoretical tools to overthrow bourgeois class rule.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 09:29:47 EST ID:OLqqby+6 No.209032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209026
Scientific communism—that is, revolutionary communism actually capable of analyzing the nature of capital and class rule, capable of seizing state power—did in fact begin with Karl Marx. The socialists before him, like Saint-Simon and Richard Owen, were Utopians.
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the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 09:30:42 EST ID:OLqqby+6 No.209033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209032
*Robert Owen
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Martha Cizzleworth - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 10:13:01 EST ID:Nwy2IF3I No.209034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209028
>They've eradicated and made sure that even hypothetical or passive resistance to the logic of capitalism was pushed into a corner,well out of the realm of view. Not only this but they've deported commies and anarchists in history and have flat out murdered them and framed them in the USA

Man, that's some Orwell level shit and sounds flat out horrible. How come I have never heard any of this stuff though? My first reaction to hearing stuff like this is that it is some sort of conspiracy theory, because I just couldn't believe authorities would ever sink that low or they would not be able to do this unnoticed and get away with it.
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Fucking Nenderstone - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 19:48:00 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209034
Its called the Immigration Act of 1918. Also the 1886 Haymarket Martyrs, eight anarchists hanged for their beliefs, not their actions, the judge even said so. Later the McCarthy witchhunts in the 50s began with the Red Scare under Truman, targeting people for their beliefs. More recently there was the Green Scare in the late 90s onward (Operation Backfire, Who Bombed Judi Bari?), expanding to other activism with laws like the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and more recently the proposed Preventing Economic Terrorism Act, as well as Grand Juries used to compel people to share information or get prison time without charges, used against animal liberation activists in the 90s, against anarchists in the Pacific NW and New York in 2012, and recently in North Carolina.
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Cornelius Chedgestut - Sun, 08 Apr 2018 14:08:46 EST ID:Gz0HylVJ No.209040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209034
>How come I have never heard any of this stuff though?

You're old or you didn't go to school in the US or you went to school in some backwoods. The fucked up shit we did to political dissidents throughout our history is a big part of the history curriculum these days, as it should be.
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Barnaby Bluzzlesot - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 05:00:34 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209034
>that's some Orwell level shit

Ironically, in America Orwell is only remembered for being anti-authoritarian or anti-Stalinist. His actual socialistic political ideals are completely disconnected from him.
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Rebecca Gerringwell - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:34:43 EST ID:Nwy2IF3I No.209045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209044
Yeah I know but he wrote books showing how bad Authoritarianism could get, hence the name.
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Betsy Smallville - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 10:43:33 EST ID:hPRU/fQi No.209046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209044

As are everyone's. How many of us read call of the wild in HS yet never heard quotes like this from jack london? "The women of the streets and the man of the gutter drew very close to me. I saw the picture of the social pit as vividly as though it were a concrete thing, and at the bottom of the Pit I saw them, myself above them, not far, and hanging on to the slippery wall by main strength and sweat. And I confess a terror seized me. What when my strength failed" when I should be unable to work shoulder to shoulder with the strong men who were babes unborn""

and someone said, how we oppressed people is apart of the curriculum? they teach people with more privilege in this country about things like marx,who really killed mlk,in depth histories of policing, slavery, immigration, the political ideologies stifled by our own country. A normal and poor person usually has to put themselves in some kind of schooling debt to find these curricular lists, or read books. In private high schools kids might even be taught about socialism a little more. meanwhile in normal public schools books are outdated, and they spend money on metal detectors and random cops searching (in my day, for drugs, but now probably for drugs, shooters, and terrorists).
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Esther Werryway - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 21:36:36 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209045
Yeah, my point is that his anti-authoritarian books were to protest how the USSR manipulated socialist ideals to control its citizens, but it's presented as if he wrote those books to show the inevitable result of socialism itself.

That sleight of hand is itself Orwellian.
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John Sidgeshit - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 01:41:44 EST ID:lcQmH4nh No.209079 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man, I took a break for a few months and came back wondering where all the faggots from the future spamming racist shit on my drug boards went off to. I didn't realize /pol/ was gone until I saw this thread and checked just now. I think they go to all the chan sites looking for politics boards assuming they'll be in good company. Like flies to shit.
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Nathaniel Shakelock - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:41:48 EST ID:/tjfruPD No.209092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But the thing that I saw in your face
No power can disinherit:
No bomb that ever burst
Shatters the crystal spirit.


>>209051
Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War in the POUM militia (Workers' Party of Marxist Unification) and wrote a book about it: Homage to Catalonia. He joined POUM out of coincidence and later said he'd rather have joined the anarchist militias if he'd known the contexts of the political conflict going on behind the battle lines. Orwell's beliefs can be described as libertarian socialist, as he partly, but didn't fully subscribe to an anarchist programme which is generally the rejection of the State and parliamentarianism, the utilization of direct action, and the advocacy of co-operative and federal organization.

In the first half of the 1930s Orwell had a negative view of anarchist beliefs, from Anarchist Seeds Beneath the Snow:
>for he complained that for an ‘ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank’: ‘One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words “Socialism” and “Communism” draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, “Nature Cure” quack, pacifist and feminist in England.’ While few anarchists would have been all, still fewer would have satisfied none of these despised categories. He told the working-class Jack Common, now co-editor of the Adelphi, in 1936 that so many of the socialist bourgeoisie ‘are the sort of eunuch type with a vegetarian smell who go about spreading sweetness and light and have at the back of their minds a vision of the working class all TT [teetotal], well washed behind the ears, readers of Edward Carpenter or some other pious sodomite and talking with BBC accents’. Orwell’s distaste for homosexuals was an abiding characteristic, with him castigating in private ‘the pansy left’, the ‘fashionable pansies’, Auden and Spender, being singled out for especial contempt. Yet he insisted, as usual unpredictable and unfailingly contradictory, that he had ‘always been very pro-Wilde’.

In 1936 he collected material on the condition of unemployed for the book: The Road to Wigan Pier, which proved revelatory for him, and when he began to believe in and support socialism as the only possible course for any decent person to work towards.

>The fundamentals of Orwell’s socialism were justice, liberty and decency.
For him socialism meant ‘justice and common decency’, a decency inherent in the culture of the traditional working-class community. He believed that ‘the only thing for which we can combine is the underlying ideal of Socialism; justice and liberty’ [sic]; and concluded: ‘All that is needed is to hammer two facts home into the public consciousness. One, that the interests of all exploited people are the same; the other, that Socialism is compatible with common decency.’

Orwell returned from Spain a different man and with a firm belief in Socialism. Even more decisive was his negative experience with the machinations of international Communism. The working-class revolution was crushed after the May Days there, his comrades from POUM were imprisoned, and he was lucky to escape with his life:
>It was during the winter of 1936–7 that the Spanish Communist Party – a
minuscule, unimportant organization at the beginning of the year – was able to extend its influence dramatically, largely since, on account of the adhesion of the liberal democracies to the policy of non-intervention, Republican Spain was obliged to depend on Russian arms supplies and advisors. As early as September 1936 a Soviet agent had been detailed to Spain to establish the NKVD, the political police. From her first visit Goldman abhorred the Communist presence in the Popular Front and the lionization of the USSR (even in revolutionary Barcelona); and she warned ceaselessly against the mushroom growth in Spain of Stalinist power.

>The crisis came in the May Days of 1937. Fighting erupted in Barcelona from 3
May between, on the one hand, the CNT-FAI rank and file and the dissident Marxist POUM and, on the other, the Communist-controlled Assault Guards, leaving five hundred killed and over a thousand wounded. It was suppressed by 7 May with the dispatch of troops by the Popular Front government (now in Valencia). As a result of the May Days, Largo Caballero was overthrown; the CNT left the Valencia government (although it was to re-enter in March 1938); Juan Negrín became prime minister; and Communist influence was very considerably increased. There were even more far-reaching consequences: the Communists proceeded to liquidate the POUM (with whom Orwell had fought); anarcho-syndicalist supremacy in Catalonia was broken; and the social revolution was reversed everywhere with the dismantling of the collectives.

Orwell contrasted the anarchists and Communists as poles apart philosophically, saying the Communist's emphasis is always on centralism and efficiency, the Anarchist's on liberty and equality. In a letter a year before his death Orwell maintained that the real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.

Because of Homage to Catalonia's anti-communist stance Orwell's publisher turned it down, so a different publisher picked it up, but it made less than 1,500 sales and was remaindered after his death in 1950. Also the New Statesman rejected a commissioned book review of two books on Spain in which he had stated: "The most important fact that has emerged from the whole business is that the Communist Party is now... an anti-revolutionary force." The origins of Animal Farm are to be found in counter-revolutionary Barcelona.

Anarchist Seeds Beneath the Snow: https://libcom.org/files/1846310253.pdf
Homage to Catalonia: https://libcom.org/files/Homage%20to%20Catalonia%20-%20George%20Orwell.pdf
pic is anti-anarchist propaganda
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Shit Drunkinlock - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 15:16:14 EST ID:jOEOiK80 No.209140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209079
Now I'm starting to notice that /pss/ on the other hand is a lot worse.

I know I can't be sure of a cause-effect relationship here but I say we put /pol/ back for good measure and see what happens. Fiends can take one for the team.
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Phoebe Turveyhall - Sat, 28 Apr 2018 11:06:29 EST ID:SGCbMw+u No.209142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209140
Yeah cus a bunch of retards from /pol/ came here. Like /pol/ was literally where we quarantined the commies and politically active/politically retarded children, but then Spunky just haaaaad to start secretly banning literally every right-wing poster on /pol/ like a fascist dick, and then some of them went crying to 4-chin saying ‘hey let’s go to 420chan pol and troll these alt-left fascists that keep banning right-wing thought’ and then /pol/ became the worst cesspool it’s ever been and was deleted. And now the entire 420chan now has to deal with the faggots usually contained in /pol/ and they’re going to /pss/ and /b/ and shit.
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Hugh Sushshit - Wed, 02 May 2018 16:36:09 EST ID:4+oWREai No.209166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What really happened was people that go to sad-chan found this website and simply posted the vile they tend to post elsewhere. That vile isn't welcome here, so the bans were more than justified. The posts, over 90% of the time, went into the quackery and race baiting garbage you'd expect from orange-chan.

So because we had a political board with the same exact tagname from orange-chan, it often tended towards attracting their ilk and then they would spill over to the rest of the site. It was attracting alt-right/lite nutjobs; They didn't like getting banned so they took out their grief on the rest of the site.
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Charles Pellersodging - Wed, 02 May 2018 17:09:26 EST ID:kon48sdM No.209167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209166
Yeah, as has been said many times ITT, faggots from the future and cripplechan mistakenly believe that all chan's will put up with their shit.

Most people don't actually have the kind of cognitive dissonance required to waste hours on end watching anime, playing video games and beating it to traps and tentacle porn while at the same time believing they have some moral conservative high ground.

I never let it get to me though. It's awful rich being called a "degenerate" for being bi and doing drugs by someone who never went to college, lives with their parents at age 25, masturbates 5 times a day and pisses in bottles.

"In a real fourth Reich you'll be the first to go" and all that.


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