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psychedelics and zen by Fuck Dimmerway - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:33:58 EST ID:4Xz4HnD2 No.879078 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the value of psychedelics in relation to self-reflection/understanding, changing one's perspective, and gaining insight?

Zen Buddhist priest Brad Warner, one of the most respectable people in zen right now, is totally against psychedelics. He says that zen meditation (zazen) is about seeing the world as clearly as possible, and psychedelics actually take you further away from that clarity and understanding by presenting another distraction. Hallucinations are just one more illusion to see through.

Sam Harris, a neuroscientist, major figure of the "New Atheism" movement, and practitioner of Tibetan Buddhist meditation (dzogchen), is actually an advocate for the experiences psychedelics can produce. He says drugs like MDMA literally allow your brain to make new neurological connections, which allows you to think in ways you've never thought before, seeing things from completely new perspectives. His friend, radio personality Joe Rogan, is similarly a major proponent of DMT.

It seems to me that psychedelics probably do grant new insights, though they may be of limited value because they're chemically induced and therefor very short term. However, I don't know because the only time I've ever hallucinated was from very strong marijuana, so I don't have any personal experience.

Do these experiences vary from drug to drug (LSD, mushrooms, MDMA, DMT, mescaline, salvia, etc.)? Have the experiences granted you new insights, or are they just induced sensory stimulation?
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Fuck Dimmerway (OP) - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 21:32:43 EST ID:cEIs/bgY No.879356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't Sufism literally panentheistic? The difference between panentheism and pantheism is pretty subtle. Bektashi and Alevi Sufists believe that God is within everything, and therefor everything is united in God. This is one of the points that lead to more conservative, puritanical Islamic sects to call them heretics.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:17:01 EST ID:pNh5el7U No.879358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It may be subtle but there is still a difference between the two doctrines, on one hand, of the radical immanence of God, and the other, of the identity of God with the temporal realm, i.e. the thesis that physical existence is God. The second is almost certainly equivalent to a rejection of tawhid, the first is arguably not.
Fuck Dimmerway (OP) - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:23:36 EST ID:cEIs/bgY No.879359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Regardless, the value system is still what's important. These systems recognize unity in God, and they value the world as a holy expression of God. This stands in opposition to the idea that God is separate from the world, which is a nihilistic view that devalues the world.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:27:55 EST ID:pNh5el7U No.879360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's nicely put and I agree.
Fuck Dimmerway (OP) - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 05:13:33 EST ID:cEIs/bgY No.879375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To clarify, my reason for listing those examples was just to show that the basic idea of unity and interconnectedness exists in different traditions around the world. I would never claim to be a Sufi Muslim, Sikh, or Taoist, nor would I want to. If someone asked me if I was a Zen Buddhist, I'd be inclined to say yes since I practice zazen, attend a meditation practice, and have a worldview that's basically compatible with it. But I don't go around proclaiming myself a Buddhist. There are a lot of things I really like about Quakerism, but I'm not a Christian.

Magic Mushrooms by Hedda Gurringson - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:19:12 EST ID:ZlI4Jkt2 No.879222 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Never actually done Mushrooms before and looking forward to it, but no real experience with them. How much should I expect to pay for them from a dealer? Does anyone know?
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Esther Blytheridge - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:39:46 EST ID:uaN4hIsR No.879270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They grow in nature, so they can be free. Although knowing what's safe to pick requires a great deal of experience and research.
Nigel Blackford - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 07:45:09 EST ID:9Apkd277 No.879271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Or just grow them, one grow will give you enough spores for unlimited mushrooms
Basil Sullerhall - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:53:03 EST ID:pUPL7O1B No.879336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
not op but how do i do that?
Clara Hishwater - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 22:59:07 EST ID://jDrl+T No.879365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you have to ask, then you are not at the right place on your /psy/ knowledge to start out.

It'd be much easier and cost effective to cop a ton of 4-aco and a good milligram scale with where you're sitting at

>Asks where he can get 4-aco and a scale

Amazon for scale and it's not hard to find a vendor at all.
Phoebe Bongercocke - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 04:02:56 EST ID:uaN4hIsR No.879374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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every species mushroom has its own ecological niche, meaning you need to research its temperature, humidity and substrate requirements. I think the first thing you should do is figure out what species you are interested in and then get some idea on what needs that species is. Given that it is a living organism, you need to care for your mushrooms and treat them like living organisms. For example, If it needs wood chips then give it that. If it needs >70% humidity and temperature range between 15-25 degrees Celsius, then find a way to make that happen. You need to care for that mushroom just like you might care for a cat, and hopefully you get rewarded.

ALD-52 Experiences by Graham Peblingsark - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:57:09 EST ID:QYzN5/Pz No.879329 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone have any experiences with ald-52? I have prior experiences with psychedelics - psilocin, lsd, 2-cb, dom, but I'd say that I still am a beginner. Didn't find much about it on erowid, but psychonautwiki was sort of helpful though it seems like the experiences reported on there or anywhere on the internet aren't really consistent.

Thank you guys.
Thomas Gepperforth - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:39:52 EST ID:JN/SiNtN No.879331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It is beautiful and wonderful and just amazing.

I had quite a few tabs, its very gentle i literally had no bad vibes every on it, its perfect for beginners. Visually it doesnt give as much oev as lsd does but the cev are very clean and soft, nothing radical in the ways of seeing people and shit, i think one of my longest peaks i had on it i was just floating through endless mathematic equations, one of the newbies i gave it to said he could see into his past life (but it was his first time doing psyches)

anyways hope that helps.
Graham Peblingsark - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:43:03 EST ID:QYzN5/Pz No.879332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank you! Also how long does the trip lasts and how easy is to fall asleep on it in comparison to lsd? Also I've been thinking about candyflipping this substance with crystal mdma, do you think that's a good idea?

1P-LSD vs DNM LSD by Hamilton Fuzzlestock - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:02:16 EST ID:lE7IXfTa No.879317 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey everyone, I'm aware that this is a pretty typical newfag question, but I was wondering what you would suggest that I get for my first LSD experience, 1P-LSD or normal LSD. I have never ordered off the darknet before and I'm only considering it because where I live, even the most drug-involved, living-in-a-trap-house people I know cannot get their hands on LSD even for themselves.
This made me interested in the darknet, the steps required to be safe would not be too difficult for me, just a bit annoying.
After some research, I found out about 1P-LSD, and learned I can just skip all the bullshit and buy it legally. I was wondering if anyone here finds a difference in the two substances, and most importantly, if 1P-LSD is any less safe than normal LSD. Also, are good 1P vendors hard to find? I read somewhere that a guy got arrested when he ordered 1P and was delivered normal LSD.
Overall, I'm interested in taking my first acid trips and trying out microdosing. Would LSD or 1P-LSD be better? Does it even matter which I choose?
Basil Ballystat - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:21:56 EST ID:pGfVV58K No.879323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Despite some people claiming they are indistinguishable, and they pretty much kinda are.... myself (and a couple of other people i've talked to IRL) do find there to be some veeery subtle difference in headspace (and maybe visuals too) in 1P lacks the some of the mental richness that authentic LSD has.

By all means if you get 1P-LSD you're still probably gonna have a great experience, and the dosage given is more reliable, but you should probably get your ass on the deepweb at some point and you just cannot go wrong with real 'cid well, obviously you can, but that's why you choose the perfect set and setting

Happy tripping OP.

ETH-LAD - Dosage for a Fat Guy by Caroline Fanshaw - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:13:07 EST ID:h1eakpBm No.879302 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, Ive recently gotten my hands on some ETH-LAD and in my pre-trip research it seems most people start off around 100-150ug. However, im a fairly big guy (6'2 260lbs), and ive noticed ive always needed much higher doses than my friends to get a +++ experience with LSD (2-300ug) and shrooms (5-7g dry). Because of this im curious if there are any other Big Dudes here that can speak to their response to this particular indole. Should I play it safe and start with 100ug, or possibly jump into the deep end with 200ug?
Nigel Blackford - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:37:49 EST ID:9Apkd277 No.879304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Always start low when working with unfamiliar spirits.
Ebenezer Goffingbury - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:03:33 EST ID:pGfVV58K No.879306 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Ehhh... if you're an experienced tripper that has experienced high/heavy doses this isn't entirely necessary. I believe ETH-LAD is supposed to be slightly more potent than LSD... so 200ug will probably be equivalent to approx ~250-300mic of acid... ETH-LAD is definitely not a dangerous drug so if that sounds like something you can handle and you're in a good set/setting then go for it.
OP - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:04:18 EST ID:h1eakpBm No.879312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The intensity of the experience isnt what worries me, ive sucked the dick on 15G of Shrooms before. I fear not in that regard. What worries me is the hit and miss reports of extreame come-up nausea, elevated heart rate and blood pressure, and problems regulating body temperature.
Basil Ballystat - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:01:47 EST ID:pGfVV58K No.879320 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That's psychedelics for you innit (particularly lysergamides from the experience of myself and many others.... after all let's not forget these drugs are derived from highly vasoconstrictive alkaloids found in poisonous fungi that have been the stuff of legend for centuries).

If you have concerns, then start low and work your way up. Why do you need us to tell you that?

Regardless, they are not physically dangerous. Period prettymuchasfarasweknow.
Basil Ballystat - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:07:21 EST ID:pGfVV58K No.879321 Ignore Report Quick Reply

also... holy shit that image jesus kekked...

>mfw the law of large numbers says somebody probably actually experienced that


Looker by Nicholas Dartfoot - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:28:21 EST ID:JT8xOPP7 No.879314 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Fungi In traverse city mi?
Oliver Dradgewure - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:49:22 EST ID:9Apkd277 No.879318 Ignore Report Quick Reply

DMT by Esther Buzzbury - Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:41:29 EST ID:OkLxgumg No.878749 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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DMT didn't do anything for me. I ate some syrian rue beforehand, then ate the DMT 45 minutes later. Nothing happened, does it make a difference if the syrian rue is "fresh and untreated"?
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David Handerham - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 22:51:41 EST ID:zUbJ/k1v No.878900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If all else fails, do more...
Nathaniel Brubberlat - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:40:08 EST ID:5oVwIRQl No.878901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>then ate the DMT

That appears to be your problem.
Nathaniel Soblinghood - Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:02:57 EST ID:TzwKY8t4 No.878926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You ate DMT. Did you know was it in the correct form?There's that freebase form and that other one. Gotta turn freebase into water soluable form. Like from simple googling:
"You want your Freebase to be a salt, and this can be done by adding it to a citric acid, such as fruit juice... Orange Juice, Lemon Juice, Lime Juice, most of those juices with citric acid are good. Use like a shot glass of it. Just dissolve the DMT into the juice. This will turn it into DMT Citrate. Which will be easier and faster absorbed. "
Barnaby Nommlestock - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:28:16 EST ID:vPSooN4g No.879279 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Won't make any difference. As soon as the DMT hits your stomach acid, it gets converted into the HCl salt.
Nigel Blackford - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 12:45:19 EST ID:9Apkd277 No.879281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I believe your issue is that you didn't extract the seeds. From my own experience, to fully inhibit MAO-A you need about 3-4g Syrian rue seeds. Unextracted seeds will take much longer than 45 minutes to be digested and fully inhibit MAO-A if you don't pulverize them and boil them in water, evaporating the liquid down to about a shot glass worth. Once you drink this bitter tea it takes effect within 45 minutes.

First psy festival and some NBOMe questions by Ben Isebin - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:55:33 EST ID:Ei/h2bFZ No.878713 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm going for my first psy festival in 2 weeks. It's gonna be quite extended, 2 nights of ambient, chillout, dub, progressive,hi tec, dark, forest, morning trance etc.. Cuz I have no experiences with festival like those only some dnb and rock/metal in the past and have some questions about my menu.

I'm planning to have following order:
  1. night: LSD (50-100 ug)
  2. night: blotter of 25B- or 25C-NBOMe (0.6-1.2 mg or 0.45-0.9 mg)
Meanwhile imma smoke some weed.

Is that order OK or should I switch between Lucy and NBOMe?

The next question is general about NBOMes. I have a little (2 times) experience with taking blotters of 25B+25C (0,6+0,8 mg). Because of that I have no idea what's a diferrence between "pure" kinds of NBOMe. How do they differ? I mean those 2 above. Which one should fit better to this kind of party? Explain from the point of visuals and sound perception and mental aspect.
Or maybe I should stay with those 25B+25C combo?

Thanks in advance.
Ben Isebin - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:55:10 EST ID:Ei/h2bFZ No.878835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hannah Cemmershaw - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 15:41:04 EST ID:fPtsWKvX No.878844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
not sure but i think that would cause a cross tolerance? actually pretty sure it would since nbome is still and i know other phens. like 2cb 2ci have cross tolerance. if I were you I'd say fuck the nbome and get a weed edible or make one (look up firecracker super easy to do) and take the lucy later. I'd say if you are nervous at all about the lucy at the festival save it for another time and do the nbome.

as for nbome differences they are minute but all nbomes I have taken (25i, 25b 25c) are all decent for 'party' the weirdest one is 25i, b&c were pretty nice and felt less synthetic but all felt 'dirty' likely because of vasoconstriction but it was still enjoyable ime

stay lit man
Isabella Sambleson - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:36:35 EST ID:A5eh2lpo No.878849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll be one of those people telling you not to do NBOMes because they're just not worth the potential risks.

That said, if you're going to do them you have the right idea doing the LSD on the first night, because NBOMes create a stronger tolerance and you really want to get the most out of your LSD trip because the NBOMe ones aren't as interesting. Make sure not to do any other stimulants that night or you're just asking for trouble. As for the differences between the NBOMes, I've done 25B and 25C a few times and the differences were small enough that I might as well have been doing the same exact substance. 25B lasted a bit longer though.
Ben Isebin - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:18:19 EST ID:Ei/h2bFZ No.879275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks for the advices.
Eventually decided to stay with acid and don't do NBOMes. Imma try MDMA for the second day if I find a proper one.

Storing LSD by master - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:05:07 EST ID:MgytApJd No.879230 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm a novice when it comes to acid and only done it a handful of times. The guy that's getting it for me mentioned storing it in the freezer till you do it. Is this recommended or is it ok to be out for a few weeks in my drawer?
Eliza Fammerstone - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 03:52:19 EST ID:QynhR4CN No.879267 Ignore Report Quick Reply
LSD can't handle heat, oxygen, temperature fluctuations (moving LSD out of a fridge, back into a fridge, and out again - like you can expect a dealer to do - can put water moisture onto the sheet which can degrade the sheet over time), and light (although light degradation is the slowest).

So, wrap it into something to keep oxygen away, keep it out of heat, keep it in the dark - and if you buy a lot of LSD, snip it into nice chunks so you don't have to take out your 100-tab sheet if you just need one. Because by the time you get to your 100th tab, that tab has been in and out of the fridge 100 times, so it's probably degraded to fucking hell.

Peyote by Albert Snodwater - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 19:50:44 EST ID:JhmwEGUu No.879038 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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what the fuck happened to peyote(mescaline)? Why was it more common before than now?
Graham Birringville - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 20:06:51 EST ID:JN/SiNtN No.879040 Ignore Report Quick Reply

because people began overharvesting it, its a natural resource its not endless, people gotta start conserving it, unlike LSD where you can get millions of hits from very little starting material in most cases a entire peoyte cactus is one dose.

So stick to san pedro or something else or jump in on the rcs even if they arent as good, peyote should not be used recreationally by 7 billion inhabitants of earth there is not enough to go around for everyone.
Eugene Feblingbire - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 21:33:40 EST ID:uERODD9f No.879041 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Adding on to their post despite my cactus knowledge being limited I've heard peyote takes far longer to grow than most cacti, then of course adding to it being over harvested in the 20th century.
Martin Tillingshit - Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:01:35 EST ID:5J3fpexE No.879214 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>tfw I got 2 adult peyotes and 6 new seedlings growing up
>got 3 bridgesii monstroses making new branches
>all in 1 years time
In 5 years time who laughing now huh?
Jarvis Dronkinnatch - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:31:43 EST ID:zUbJ/k1v No.879248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
bro 30 years from now if i don't know you by then I'm gonna be looking for you

Travelling alone. by Cornelius Gegglehig - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 10:49:59 EST ID:xbewvta4 No.878402 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've got 300 mics lsd laying around and feeling that today's a good day.
The only problem is i'm on the 5th floor with a giant window that opens up quickly and the sun is looking great.
I've only had a few mayor visual expiriences on my own but never on a longer trip then 2 hours.

What are the best precautions in your opinions to take.
And there is almost no nature in the area except for a family of ducks raising there babys in a filthy canal nearby wich i'm deffinetly gonna check. but I wont be able to sit there longer then an hour
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Hedda Serryman - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:02:53 EST ID:hQEcHDiw No.879235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you want to stop the flow of illegal substances to your country... yet you partake on psychedelics? im sorry but you can't have both. the wall will stop both the heroin and your so precious psychedelics from entering. trump doesn't give a shit about your mind expansion on boofed MDMA and ketamine.
Jacket - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:30:06 EST ID:cP4XYX7+ No.879238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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aye ya know (thanks, I'd say I'm a little gothic, 'n you're pretty chill fam <3)
have a dope song : https://soundcloud.com/yobitchnewfavdj/ayeyouknow

Drugs aren't for everyone, it heavily depends on the individual. Some people just aren't cut out for drugs.
I wouldn't mind cutting down on drugs at the expense of stopping illegal immigrants. I'm at a point where I can quit any time I want, I hope you other fellow individuals have that same mentality.
Wesley Gazzlebere - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:40:26 EST ID:p9cyyUCU No.879241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why do you people tolerate someone who doesn't support the forced degeneration of his people into a slave race?!
Are you jewish by any chance?

>death throws
How's another 128 000 years of the sword age by any means "death throes"? Or do you believe in a shorter Kali Yuga? If so, could you provide any arguments as to why?

>from mexico
Made me laugh. Not to mention the vast majority of disso's and psy's are available legally as research chemicals.
Jacket - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:45:41 EST ID:cP4XYX7+ No.879244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So if we come to a consensus, where periods of time are arbitrary - everything must be a never ending cycle
Nicholas Pirryspear - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:44:20 EST ID:Rh303vfH No.879277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
most precursors need to be sourced from outside, and everyone knows deschloroketamine is nowhere near as good as the real thing. You'd be surprised at the huge amount of LSD crystal being pushed by the mexicans and south americans you've been brainwashed to hate so much.

Most research chemical stores push out plain old LSD instead of the mythical 1p-lsd and what have you, because they know everyone buying that shit will ingest them and they have no way of telling one from the other.

Anyways why do I bother, you'll most likely get thrown in huge debt because of your amazing new healthcare plan before the wall is even started.

LSD: 300ug versus 450ug trip? by Edward Greenfuck - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:29:27 EST ID:B6BMuK0H No.878964 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Last time I took acid (The first time) I took 2 tabs of 150ug

This time I'll be taking 450ug (Three tabs). Is there a massive disparity between the effects of these two doses? Will I flip out?

>Relatively experienced with psys
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Ebenezer Sindledock - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:20:15 EST ID:zanYQLAJ No.878969 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That sounds like a good plan to me if you know yourself and your limits and all that. I don't necessarily mean ego death, but ego death usually does go hand in hand with breaking through. If you have any experience with dxm and the plateaus I would describe breaking through as the third plateau and ego death as the fourth, like utter extreme of it.

But I highly doubt you'll lose ordinary conscious perception on just 450mics. I think you're gonna have an awesome time wandering through the wild and all that. Have some fun for me m8
Edward Greenfuck - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:27:32 EST ID:B6BMuK0H No.878970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If you have any experience with dxm and the plateaus I would describe breaking through as the third plateau and ego death as the fourth, like utter extreme of it.
I tried DXM once, fucking hated it. Never again felt like I was on meth; thoughts racing a mile a minute; uncomfortable body high etc

Experienced ego death twice on shrooms, both times were quite unpleasant

Yeah I will dude; thanks.
Ebenezer Bummlepick - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 10:43:12 EST ID:B6BMuK0H No.879096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oi lads, what if I took....

Archie Murdfoot - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:33:36 EST ID:s0jjc8vx No.879098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
300 ug lsd + 300 ug eth-lad
Albert Clorringville - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:12:16 EST ID:Iyfrbm6f No.879225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well its different for everyone but if i took that much i could expect to be completely ripped apart by a flaming whirlwind of death and my individual atoms scattered into the void for about 6 hours before slowly remembering that Im a human on drugs

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