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The Decline of Culture by Fanny Worthingway - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 21:40:52 EST ID:raB7kPOS No.884239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Psychedelic art/culture is garbage. Alex Grey is a cult leader and his psy-addled, zombie followers are largely the most egotistical, falsely enlightened people I've ever met.

Screw the "sacred geometry" and "visionary art" hype. These people are dangerous and full of demonic influence.
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Jarvis Sublinghod - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 22:14:14 EST ID:LWB1PdD8 No.884243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Alex Grey isn't the only psychedelic-influenced artist out there

Peter Sjöstedt-H is a philosopher who writes on psychedelics and is quite Nietzschean

Do you really have any connection with psychedelic culture outside of the Internet? I personally am the only person I know who regularly uses psychedelics
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Isabella Snodfoot - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 22:20:25 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884239

>Alex Grey is a cult leader and his psy-addled.
ive been saying this for years and i always cop shit for it.

>Psychedelic art/culture is garbage.
There isnt just one psychedelic culture, there are many cultures.
The secret is most people who are running around today have done psychedelics at least once, but because its something that isnt openly discussed people think its a thing that few people do and its a small niche.
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Molly Hasslecocke - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 23:46:01 EST ID:IrYc4Rzj No.884245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884244
>There isnt just one psychedelic culture, there are many cultures.
this

besides who are you to say someone isnt enlightened? its a state of mind and being (produced by psychedelics or meditation), just because you never gained interest in this way of life, doesnt really invalidate it now does it, it is what it is, still, theres not much you can bring back from these states of mind because you can only really explain what its like, not what it really is, who cares anyway, just make the right decisions so you dont regret it, thats my philisophy
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Fanny Worthingway - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 01:04:03 EST ID:raB7kPOS No.884246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884244
I mean the currently in-vogue amongst festie types "culture". Alex and Allison Grey, the production companies and bands that they coordinate with, the peddlers of "sacred geometry" merch. All about keeping people in a haze and buying things or else donating money to master Alex. There is nothing of real substance to this culture. It's not even about mind exploration with them. Its a religion and its mostly predicated on having fun and trying to confer deep meaning to experiences that were little more than pleasure seeking. There is no real answer to life there if ya get me. There are people though whose whole life is literally dedicated to every aspect of the scene. I think that makes them a slave. It is without fail that at any event with this sort of crowd, I literally get harassed by nutcases . I've just recently confirmed for myself that I want nothing to do with it at all anymore and I think people should be made aware that it is dangerous.
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Isabella Snodfoot - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 04:22:15 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884246
>I think that makes them a slave

Look man, i think this is something you have just realised and you need to come to terms with this.

What are they supposed to do? What? you think that person who teaches meditation should do it for free? you think allyson and alex grey should offer their paintings for free? what you think people who do yoga classes should do it for free?

Psychedelia is a industry, its a brand.
Ive said this before on here, how do you live? you probably have a job and go to work and do a 9-5 for "the man" or whatever you do. They dont, they put all their effort into making nick nacks, learning how to flame twirl or hoola hoop, or they rent out a space and offer yoga and meditation classes.
Thats how they want to live their life and you shouldn't be judging them for doing something worthwhile with their time. Yes Alex grey building a FUCKING CHURCH rubbed me up the wrong way, but how can you say that joe blow selling a tye dye shirt to some kid for $30 when it cost him $5 to make is a slave?
The psychedelic industry relies on the image of the 60's to function, it relies on people who haven't realised that is a brand yet to prop it up in most aspects.
Yoga and meditation have some actual benefits and it supports lots of people with their day to day lives too.
I have a problem with religion but i dont have a problem with people who profit off of dumb people who want to buy themselves into an identity. Sacred geometry is literally so easy to do you can buy a kit which makes perfect sacred geometry artworks all you need to do is spruce up the colours a bit then take it down to the market and put a price on it, heck start at $5 and see how you go.

The festival scene supports a lot of people, the dancers, the light guys, the sound guys, fashion designers and people who sell clothing, the stage guys, the food operaters, other various idustries which attach themselves to it, yeah a whole bunch of idiots go there and spend hundreds of dollars on shit they will post on insta twice then never use again, on overprices drugs, on fashion that works only for the festival setting, for temporary tattoos, etc etc etc.

This is why McKenna was a genuis, dude had a whole industry around him all he did was sit down and talk and got paid for it. a true bard.
This is why grateful dead is so reveered not because of their music (well somewhat) but because people would sit outside their concerts selling unofficial grateful dead merchandise and because they let people record their concerts for free people were selling other grateful dead concerts And guess what happened the local "hippie stoners" would rock up, spend the cash they worked all day for on some overpriced merch because in the moment it meant something.


I know i come off really cynical but just if theres one thing i want you to remember its, Dont hate the player hate the game. But also remember you can choose the game you play, if you're sick of mario throw in sonic, if you're sick of sonic throw in bubsy, you'll be good at one of these games i swear.
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Jarvis Hiffingfield - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:42:19 EST ID:LywZUfmH No.884259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>calling shit "demonic"

Fuck off you cocksucking piece of retarded braindead creationist shit. We don't fucking want your wanking kind here. Take your idiotic bronze age desert demon worshipping death cult shit somewhere else, you fucking canvassing piece of altright shit.
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Isabella Blishlock - Tue, 02 Jan 2018 20:21:50 EST ID:IrYc4Rzj No.884265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884259
are you 12? why are you even mad lol? you dont even know if hes a creationist or even altright so chill out bro, people use subjective reference all the time, thats no reason to lose your shit lmao..

i really hope some of the people here dont act like this in public LOL
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Henry Brookfield - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 08:34:42 EST ID:lDb8EPDT No.884277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
op, the art is really pretty shit, you are right, but "demonic influence" , you lost me, some kind of bigoted retard?
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Nigel Beddlehedge - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 10:12:08 EST ID:YxF0343C No.884279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884239

Alright, op. I see exactly where you're coming from. The rave/psychedelic art culture is just as washed up and consumer oriented as any following, but I really think your angst is misplaced. Honestly I don't think they're doing as much harm as you would make out, and I used to be militantly against rave/drug culture.

We certainly don't live in a perfect world, but these people could be doing a lot worse than obsessing over sacred geometry and psytrance. And at least the psychedelic/festival scene seems to promote free thinking and creativity. The people I've met who associate with that kind of culture are some of the most easy going, happy people I've met, even if I don't necessarily agree with their lifestyles.

As far as people being enslaved by the culture, as you put it, it's their choice. Everybody has beliefs. Everybody follows a culture of some kind, unless you live alone in the wilderness. Maybe festival goers really don't think for themselves all that much. Maybe they do. Are you really going to sit here and make broad sweeping generalizations about an entire set of people?

Do you think Alex and Allison don't believe that they're doing good in the world by sharing their artistic abilities? Their existence makes other people happy. And Alex IS a good artist. His art inspires people. I personally don't care much for visionary art, but other people do. Alex gray enjoys painting, and people enjoy seeing his paintings. That alone is enough evidence of the good that's being done through his being.

Look, I see just how flawed the psychedelic art and music scene is, but it's also done good. It's still got some kind of a wild side to it that I think can't be fully tamed by consumerism or popular culture.
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Eugene Blatherstock - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:14:49 EST ID:B4Szy9LH No.884280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP makes it sound as if he's above it all, the shroom entities told him so. News flash, we are all zombies following the meat. Even Elon Musk has quotas to meet.
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Jarvis Fellerhen - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:56:18 EST ID:taLjAbFA No.884283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's a subset of 'psychonauts' who never make it out of the other side, if they have enough trips. It's mental illness, pure and simple.
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Archie Sellyham - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 19:03:33 EST ID:qc7CDzLP No.884293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>demonic influence

lol ok dipshit
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Esther Grandwill - Wed, 03 Jan 2018 19:48:02 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884239
We are almost all sacred geometry, except our slightly off heart location and liver,
So we ought to be mostly geometric, with some, Random(little) parts in us.
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Eugene Gunningdat - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 07:39:57 EST ID:v/mGMdFW No.884313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884294
Symmetry isn't sacred geometry, numbnuts.
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James Gaggleson - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 08:57:31 EST ID:J6JRs5Nt No.884315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884313

Yeah, it's not sacred geometry, it's mystical mirrorology. Defiant, tried and reliant, definitively ascribed simple symbology with a side of delight. But it's like sacred maaan. It's like IN our very being. Like, the essence of our existence, ya.

Cause like, it's like circles n stuff mannnnn.

On a more serious note, I don't see why there's anything special about sacred geometry. You're free to do whatever, it's your life and all, but I think it's a bit ridiculous to attribute special meaning to 'sacred geometry.' I lump that all in together with magic crystals and tarot cards.
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Phoebe Siblingtatch - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 13:38:07 EST ID:bnS+Es6h No.884320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884315
But dude, crystals saved my life. Their healing vibrations caused me to grow and change in marvelous ways. Now im a fully grown quartz crystal child...
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George Binnerstuck - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 13:44:13 EST ID:2CzY3vcN No.884321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884315
Tarot card readings work, but they're to give you guidance in a situation you don't understand rather than telling the lottery numbers.
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Hedda Crovinglare - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 15:56:25 EST ID:QN8jNiVg No.884323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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sacred geometry is pretty cool if you don't take it too too serious

demons are real, but most easily conceptualized as a metaphorical spiritual virus-like entity

psychedelic culture has its flaws and lacks a tradition to serve as immunity against quackery and harmful ideas

taking all my opinions into consideration I give OP an 8.5/10
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Cyril Bedgeway - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 17:39:44 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884315
The very fabric of spacetime is the flower of life, Crystals are said to emanate geometric matrixes, Tuning your third eye/ mind antenna to these raw realities supplies one with the energy of love. Mandlebrot= Geometry, without ever repeating itself, thus the chaos in geometry. what do you think about that?
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James Brookshit - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 23:33:47 EST ID:6vz0zIaF No.884331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884325
Sounds like diarrhea just hit the keyboard. In what way is the flower of life representative of space-time? Pure nonsense. Stop taking psys and reality check yourself.
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Oliver Tillingridge - Thu, 04 Jan 2018 23:56:26 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHuvW7YaGjQ
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Charlotte Fongerchet - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 01:03:30 EST ID:puFGdArN No.884335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884332
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James Gizzlewog - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:47:17 EST ID:ySGwvSwU No.884340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884325
Dude that must have been some goooood jenkem.
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Sophie Bollerwill - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:55:44 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884332

Are spirit science still going? Dont drink the kool aid.
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Hannah Pittstock - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 19:24:03 EST ID:aYVOkEoF No.884347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884325

I think you're a loon is what I think about that. Do you know why I think sacred geometry is shit? Because it makes no difference whether you give a fuck about it or not, it does nothing to you, or for you that is anything beyond a place of effect. The real deal is the tangible universe of matter and electromagnetic radiation.

Crystals do not emit special vibrational frequencies. I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry.
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Hannah Pittstock - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 19:31:31 EST ID:aYVOkEoF No.884348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884347

Beyond a placebo effect* nb dp
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Phyllis Tillingforth - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:03:42 EST ID:IrYc4Rzj No.884349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884348
kek yes it does, it makes people more suggestible, which is why it is effective for therapeutic treatment , its not a placebo if its repeatable

ur logic basically states everything is a placebo because the mind is of all thought and concepts origin, which makes no goddamn sense, when an image gives a person a sense of beauty, that's not really a 'placebo' its a core state of mind brought on about by certain conditions, (ie a beautiful image), sure, people can resist certain thought processes, bit its clear that, everything that happens in the mind has a large impact on its overall structure, everything has a cause for why we think in certain ways, and we all react differently to one another, based on our lived experiences.

'placebo' is misused so much these days, we all know how placebo pills work, they tell you its a drug, (theres nothing in it) and the fact you think your going to get better makes it have an effect, however, in the previous context, viewing colourful and beautiful images is still something that has a very active effect on the mind, unless, you could somehow convince someone that there is beauty to nothing (the placebo) then it wouldnt be a placebo, see how the logic doesnt work?
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Fanny Hombleforth - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:06:23 EST ID:QN8jNiVg No.884350 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I wonder if this furry did any psys

I really really fucking wonder

I wonder hard as fuck bros
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Hannah Pittstock - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:13:57 EST ID:aYVOkEoF No.884351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884349

Sooo.... How exactly does sacred geometry change the way I think or feel?
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Hannah Pittstock - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:18:01 EST ID:aYVOkEoF No.884352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884349

I don't see how looking at repeated circles overlaying each other is any different than looking at a beautiful painting. There's nothing "sacred" about sacred geometry. I just don't understand where people get off putting it on a pedestal.
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Phyllis Tillingforth - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:28:47 EST ID:IrYc4Rzj No.884353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884352
and that ill agree with
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Priscilla Barrydale - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:05:54 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884352
Then this is the most beautiful thing you'll every see.

Also post said artwork so we can see any patterns
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Priscilla Barrydale - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:09:52 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884355
I do have to admit, My brain sees quite a bit of complex things, but that's just the brain finding patterns out of chaos,
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Priscilla Barrydale - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 22:13:24 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884356
I'd feel safer thinking this was a 'GOOD" continuum and would last more than a second or minute, when you see it's good and you are able relax
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Priscilla Barrydale - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 23:54:58 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884347
? Because it makes no difference whether you give a fuck about it or not, it does nothing to you

Then it's unchangeable... intrinsic and metapsysical
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Priscilla Barrydale - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 23:58:39 EST ID:x26E4VgC No.884359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884347
Dat tangible universe breaks down into dat flower mang
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Archie Briggletadge - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 16:04:13 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884359
lulz i guess priscilla wins
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Eliza Niddlehood - Mon, 08 Jan 2018 19:25:47 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884401
>wins
Well obviously, Priscilla had the power of the flower of life behind them man.
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Basil Brookhood - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:01:30 EST ID:ieQJOwru No.884491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On some chan out there somewhere is an /x/ board missing its token nerd.
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Emma Gumbleketch - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 06:05:58 EST ID:8c9Gxfkn No.884499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
4/10 thread
>>884359
10/10 post
Cant stop laffin
In the spirit of contribution - ime festival culture is a big pit of greedy hypocritical retards all trynna get their next dollar but fronting like theyre buddhist monks or something. However, festival culture is not the same as psychedelic culture, and in fact like some users have already said, psychedelic use spans across many different cultures and peoples. To even claim there is one centered psychedelic culture is shortsighted
Fuck alex grey tho
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Martin Fiblingchot - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 06:34:10 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884499

Fuck Alex Grey.
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Martha Mebblechit - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:03:14 EST ID:QpgRN61I No.884502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I struggle to believe that there isn't any good psychedelic art or psychedelic informed art out there. Alex Grey is just the equivalent of McDonald's or Friedrich' s Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog, It's approachable and blatantly obvious to anybody so it becomes popular amongst the >dude psychs lmao crowd.

It's not really a scene I have that much knowledge of so I can't throw out any suggestions but I did get psychedelic vibes from the landscapes in the David Hockney recent works exhibition I went to. It makes sense- he was introduced to it in the 60s, and I feel LSD has definitely changed my eye for picking colours out of the landscape long term
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Oliver Bribberforth - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:10:36 EST ID:m2Kmk21I No.884503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884502
What about Salvador Dali's dreamscapes. Psychedelia is a natural and intrinsic part of the human experience in my opinion.
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Martha Mebblechit - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:32:36 EST ID:QpgRN61I No.884504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884503
Yeah, but I was trying to think of recent stuff in response to the thread title
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Molly Brookshaw - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:24:51 EST ID:LywZUfmH No.884505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884502
There's a fuckload of good psychedelic art around. You just don't see it at psytrance parties. It's all in museums and galleries just as you experienced on that exhibition.
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Phoebe Chanderman - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 06:54:07 EST ID:QpgRN61I No.884528 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884505
Have you got any suggestions? I spend half the year in the middle of nowhere so I don't get to exhibitions nearly as much as I'd like.
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Albert Senningstet - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 08:03:19 EST ID:LywZUfmH No.884529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884528
Well, good psychedelic artists aren't all-in-your-face about their psychedelic use like shitty psychedelic artists you find at every rave, or commercial psychedelic artists to whom it is their selling point and income.

It's kind of a matter of paying attention to the art, reading art reviews and reading between the line.

Can't find you any names, I'd have to dig out my notes from art academy and that will take a long long long time.

The problem is that any internet search you make, gets flooded with either the historical '60s psychedelic "art" which really is less art and more graphic design (all those LP covers and gig posters) or the commercial boring psychedelic art like Alex Grey makes which has zero individuality and is just everyone following the same visual lexicon of symbols.
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Reuben Weblingville - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 05:40:15 EST ID:qjl2a6Zm No.884595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Martha Shittingworth - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:07:57 EST ID:27sq7n8C No.884602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>These people are dangerous and full of demonic influence

There it is haha. How it feel to take a good hard look at the world and realize your impotent rage can do nothing to bring us back to a more "moral" and "just" society (i.e. one with a religious monopoly).

I only know one thing for certain, and that's we're either both crazy, which I could live with, or you're in the wrong. Either way you'll have gone your entire life living with arbitrary restrictions following meaningless laws and I'll never have my day of reckoning.
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Wesley Bummlecocke - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:16:11 EST ID:DioaYAGU No.884613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This thread is bad and you should feel bad
NB.
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John Basslechone - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 01:08:27 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.884621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884602
Wait, you took that statement OP made seriously? Im not OP, but I thought it was pretty obviously a joke or bait. Shame on you nigga, why you fallin fo dat shit?
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Walter Shakeson - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:55:26 EST ID:LywZUfmH No.884633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884621
There has been an influx of mentally ill Christian alt-right shitposters from the future, so it might not have been a joke. Lots of retards really believe in that bronze age desert tribe death cult bullshit.
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Thomas Lighthall - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:53:08 EST ID:0Yec+Wxv No.884637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884621
>>884633
This, I just assumed he was a sperg from parts unknown. There are lots of people online these days who have genuinely deluded themselves into believing whole lot of stupid shit because that's what's edgy. It's not even about religion to them, the religious stuff starts mostly as role-playing and becomes "real" after the line between what they really think and what they think to "troll" people becomes blurred.

When I used to hang out with these types there was a quote (among many shitty quotes) they would constantly share on Facebook that I can't find but went something along the lines of "In the age of relativism, conservatism is the only form of rebellion left". This gives you some idea of where these mouthbreathers are coming from. It's not about anything but impotent rage against a system they see as having failed them but in reality they're the only ones responsible for their own shortcomings.
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John Basslechone - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 13:07:02 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.884641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884637
Well shit, my bad. Wasn't aware of the state of things on any of the chans, I only show up here on /psy/ every once in a while and sometimes /qq/ for the fuck of it... and since Trump has been in office for a while, I forgot about the whole alt-right /pol/ type shit even being a thing.

I suppose either way I just like to ignore provocative statements and bait like in the OP because either they're trolling and I don't feel like willingly letting myself be manipulated, or they're retarded or delusional enough that they're basically a brick wall anyway. I guess I haven't gone around trolling for such a long time myself that I hadn't even really considered trolling them back and fishing for a response to even be a possibility. Sheeiiiit
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Shit Goblingcocke - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:09:34 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884239
Priscilla here, here's a nice article about sacred geometry and nature
http://www.ourgom.com/15-plants-that-teach-us-sacred-geometry/?utm_content=bufferc3f90&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Charlotte Duckgold - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:23:56 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884681

So what is this proving exactly? i didnt realise that plants had expanded conciousness and gone through multiple ego deaths.
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Shit Goblingcocke - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:00:52 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884682
that nature often mimics geometry, geometry wasn't invented, but discovered.
>> i didnt realise that plants had expanded conciousness and gone through multiple ego deaths.

neither did I, but if we have expanded consciousness and go through multiple ego deaths, the plants could be a diagram to illustrate visually that process.
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Shit Goblingcocke - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:34:05 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884682
Do you ever look at the moon and say "whats does that prove exactly?"
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Charlotte Duckgold - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:57:42 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884712

No but at the same time i dont think the moon is anything sacred. its just the moon, its just a rock floating around another rock which is floating around an explosion.

People copying the pattern of flowers and calling it sacred doesn't prove their point that the geometry is "sacred" just because nature can produce it, i can teach a parrot to say fuck you cunt, does that then become sacred swear words? a hunter in the forest mimicing a deer call is he practising sacred deer calling?

See this picture of a leaf man? its like sacred man because the way its veins work man is like the river systems man and like, its the same as the veins in humans and all animals man and like have you ever seen water freezing man? it freezes in the same way man. All bow before the leaf of life, its profound magical abilities are like profound and magical man

There is nothing sacred about sacred geometry its just geometry, its just shapes arranged in a certain way. Just because it appears in nature doesnt make it special other than it was able to survive up to the present moment, thats it, because if we use nature to determine what is sacred it means literally everything is sacred.
i could literally make up bullshit about anything and its funny because you're so naive that if i wasn't so flippant you would probably begin worshipping a leaf because of its profound sacred powers, then before you know it some hippie will be selling leaves to you for $5 a pop, expressing their profound mystical properties.

man if you like arrange 6 leaves in a circle its like the flower of life man.
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Lillian Mettingford - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:01:01 EST ID:sLjdozOb No.884714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884713

you are completely right. a bunch of high horse faggots will probably get mad but i agree with you 100%
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:26:29 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884713
what is sacred to you, then?
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:29:42 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884713
And don't let the term sacred geometry turn you off of the profundity of geometry in the universe, if Sacred bothers you drop the sacred. it's the fact that geometry is found throughout, and you don't need to call it sacred to acknowledge it as interesting.
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Polly Bundletene - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:53:26 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884717

But it doesnt mean anything, like that video either you or someone else posted with the spirit science quack talking about the flower of life and it means all these "things".

"sacred geometry" is just shapes that have been arranged in a manner they dont mean anything, its like saying this picture of a circle is profound because of how commonly it is found in nature.

Of course geometry is found throughout, thats like saying science is found throughout because we can measure molecules, it doesnt make it profound or spiritual, it just IS. A circle is geometric, a square is geometric, a triangle is geometric. just because something contains geometry and exists in nature doesnt make it special or profound it just means that those shapes exist in nature.

You know, you're allowed to like something because it looks cool and is an optical illusion, you dont need to attach god to it to like it. But the moment you find yourself proselytising the worship of a symbol you should really reevaluate the path you're going down.
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:06:07 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884718
Still, tell me what is sacred.
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:07:08 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884718
Did i say i worship it? no
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Polly Bundletene - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:38:07 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884719

This bird is sacred.
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:52:58 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884723
that bird can be broken down into sacred geometry NB
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Polly Bundletene - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:56:04 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884724

hahahahaha What cant be broken down into geometry? is my pedestal fan sacred because its made up of shapes?
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:59:45 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884725
Maybe all things are sacred, fundamentaly. pain is just a signal, a bomb is just releasing energy, idk,...
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 21:00:18 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884725
no, the shapes are sacred,
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Polly Bundletene - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 21:08:23 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884726

So if everything is sacred what is there to distinguish between non sacred and sacred? therefore making nothing sacred.

The shapes are sacred now? so we're back to worshipping a circle are we? come on. Grow with me here.
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Rebecca Haggleham - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 21:19:18 EST ID:li3MMiSE No.884730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884352
Everything is both sacred and profane at the same time, just by existing. Duh.
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:02:52 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884729
The SHAPES OF TRUTH
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David Surrybanks - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:04:42 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884729
BTW I don't literally worship geometry, even if I call it sacred geometry
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Polly Bundletene - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:19:47 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884731

:) you came around eventually. As i said its okay to like things that look cool or are optical illusions, but it doesnt mean they have any power or look cool or mean anything, its just a cool arraignment.
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Basil Drussletit - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:38:28 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.884735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884729
>So if everything is sacred what is there to distinguish between non sacred and sacred?
I'm not really disagreeing with your points, but everything being sacred (just entertaining the idea hypothetically) in a general or fundamental sense like you two are discussing makes no mention of the degree a given thing is sacred.

I suppose you could argue that the state of sanctity a thing is or lacks is dualistic, and that no shades of grey exist there, but I disagree. In all matters of polarity and opposites, the ends of the poles are merely just an absolute boundary in the measurement of a single thing. The difference between them is only a matter of degree.

Hot and cold, as an example, depending on what your perspective is on what you're measuring, is either the degree to which a thing is hot or the degree to which a thing is cold (although, scientifically speaking the former is a more accurate way to conceptualize temperature and thermal energy). With sanctity, you have a thing either being sacred or mundane. Just as how cold is truly just a label of its own for the concept of a lack of heat or shadow is for the lack of light, so to mundane is a label for the concept of a lack of sanctity. It's only ever cold outside once the temperature is low enough that it perturbs our human sensibilities enough that it causes discomfort, but ultimately when we start referring to a thing as being cold is fundamentally arbitrary. It depends entirely on the perspective of the one judging the temperature and the criteria for judgment they use that determines how many shades of grey the the scale along the poles contains. Black and white, white/25%grey/50%grey/75%grey/black, etc. It's important to remember that choosing to divide the scale into black and white does not affect the actual essential nature of what's being measured.

Likewise, everything can be fundamentally sacred, but that does not make them all equally so unless you are specifically making the decision to divide the scale into a purely dualistic one. Like you immediately pointed out, viewing things that way does such a poor job of defining the qualities you're describing that it's almost impossible to actually understand what the difference between them is... at least without identifying and comparing other characteristics that the things defined as sacred all have in common, comparing the things defined as mundane have in common, and then comparing and contrasting both those lists. But, that in itself is a way of introducing some much needed grey and degrees of gradation to our previously purely dualistic scale of measurement.
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Eugene Brookwater - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:42:06 EST ID:+5FdLfeU No.884737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884729
>So if everything is sacred what is there to distinguish between non sacred and sacred?
I'm not really disagreeing with your points, but everything being sacred (just entertaining the idea hypothetically) in a general or fundamental sense like you two are discussing makes no mention of the degree a given thing is sacred.

I suppose you could argue that the state of sanctity a thing is or lacks is dualistic, and that no shades of grey exist there, but I disagree. In all matters of polarity and opposites, the ends of the poles are merely just an absolute boundary in the measurement of a single thing. The difference between them is only a matter of degree.

Hot and cold, as an example, depending on what your perspective is on what you're measuring, is either the degree to which a thing is hot or the degree to which a thing is cold (although, scientifically speaking the former is a more accurate way to conceptualize temperature and thermal energy). With sanctity, you have a thing either being sacred or mundane. Just as how cold is truly just a label of its own for the concept of a lack of heat or shadow is for the lack of light, so to mundane is a label for the concept of a lack of sanctity. It's only ever cold outside once the temperature is low enough that it perturbs our human sensibilities enough that it causes discomfort, but ultimately when we start referring to a thing as being cold is fundamentally arbitrary. It depends entirely on the perspective of the one judging the temperature and the criteria for judgment they use that determines how many shades of grey the the scale along the poles contains. Black and white, white/25%grey/50%grey/75%grey/black, etc. It's important to remember that choosing to divide the scale into black and white does not affect the actual essential nature of what's being measured.

Likewise, everything can be fundamentally sacred, but that does not make them all equally so unless you are specifically making the decision to divide the scale into a purely dualistic one. Like you immediately pointed out, viewing things that way does such a poor job of defining the qualities you're describing that it's almost impossible to actually understand what the difference between them is... at least without identifying and comparing other characteristics that the things defined as sacred all have in common, comparing the things defined as mundane have in common, and then comparing and contrasting both those lists. But, that in itself is a way of introducing some much needed grey and degrees of gradation to our previously purely dualistic scale of measurement.
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Eugene Brookwater - Thu, 18 Jan 2018 22:42:37 EST ID:+5FdLfeU No.884738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884729
>The shapes are sacred now? so we're back to worshipping a circle are we? come on. Grow with me here.

Wait, what's with the condescension here? It seems rather clear you've made very little serious effort to investigate the idea of geometry being sacred or trying to understand why it was so much more common for people to see geometry that way than it is now? Has the knowledge we've gained from science, very little of which you've even personally contributed to in all likelihood, really elevated us in position so highly that we can afford to arrogantly scoff at our preconceptions of their ideas as silly, archaic fairy-tale occult nonsense? Grow with you? Let go of your proclivity to write off the ideas and concepts of ancient people because it seems so clear to you that we live in a more intellectually and spiritually enlightened age. The more you research about ancient cultures (with an open mind and free of confirmation bias), the more you'll wind up realizing that a lot of ancient people on the whole were fucking intelligent and ingenuitive as fuck.

Mathematics is so profound and amazing in general because the creation of some mentally fabricated axioms and theorems do such an exceptionally good job at predicting results we can observe in reality. The beautiful thing about mathematics is how you can express the same fundamental manipulation of numbers in a variety of ways, which can reveal unexpected and highly significant relationships between quantities, groups of them, and various functions. Geometry being visually based especially appeals to us as humans because we are far more capable of recognizing and intuitively understanding patterns and connections between the numbers behind the shapes and graphs.

Given that mathematics is such a simplistic but remarkably accurate tool for describing the nature of existence itself, and our being a visually-dominant (perceptually speaking of course) species, the recognition for the occurence and emergence of certain shapes in the universe is only natural. If the properties and repetition of certain patterns in the very nature of existence isn't something that can be both fairly and understandably labeled sacred, I don't know what else could be.

The definition of sacred on Merriam-Webster is "2 a : worthy of religious veneration : holy. b : entitled to reverence and respect". To me, given all that, the decision to consider certain shapes in geometry as sacred is about as valid and sensible as it is to do with anything else. Or rather, it makes more sense than a lot of other things people have considered sacred before or still do.
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Polly Bundletene - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:00:54 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884737

Okay.

>>884738

I did investigate sacred geometry, i bought a $5 kit from amazon, i walk past homeless people colouring in images sacred geometry every day asking for $1 donation to purchase it. How is it sacred? in the dawkins sense, its a meme.

>very little of which you've even personally contributed to in all likelihood
Whats with all the condescension here? gosh you're bit of a hypocrite aint ya?
Im sorry, but if you think practising sacred geometry is anything other than art therapy you are deluding yourself. Maybe ancient people and cultures did it because of how simple it was to make?

I never said ancient people were dumb or unintelligent or whatever you read into what i said, all im saying is there is nothing sacred about "sacred" geometry, its just a pattern. Often ancient tribes would leave markings on caves and stones to indicate their ownership or territory of an area to ward off other tribes from coming in their territory, This is evidences by the picts and the celts. in Maori tradition they would mark their skin so that they knew who was from what tribe. Im descended from an ancient culture and i dont think the celtic knot is sacred or profound, its a symbol, i don't practise symbol worship.

yes mathematics is awesome.

You can worship anything you like friend, but there is nothing sacred about sacred geometry, its like worshipping a picasso painting. Picasso was a damn fine painter but at no point do i feel his works are worthy of religious veneration.

Pattern recognition.

The ancient culture of pompeii drew penises on the walls, therefore its the sacred penis.
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Barnaby Dundlewater - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 02:36:47 EST ID:IrYc4Rzj No.884744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884742
you have a point lol, "sacredness" is subjective to the individual
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Lydia Peckleched - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 06:45:19 EST ID:KmeQrIm0 No.884756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884744
True enough, but that altogether destroys his continual claim that "there is nothing sacred about sacred geometry". In existence, there are no preferred reference frames, so to keep stating sacred geometry is, in fact, not actually sacred makes no logical sense to do..

>You can worship anything you like friend, but there is nothing sacred about sacred geometry, its like worshipping a picasso painting. Picasso was a damn fine painter but at no point do i feel his works are worthy of religious veneration.

This statement right here would've been completely fine with me, had you not included the assertion that there is nothing sacred about sacred geometry. I don't find geometry sacred myself, don't give a fuck if somebody does or doesn't so much as the reasons they give for why or why not.

I mean, do you not realize you keep reasserting that your personal belief is the objective truth when replying about this? How do you justify the claim "there is nothing sacred about sacred geometry"? If I had to guess, you likely find that everything in existence is meaningless and without value, right? Why, just because our perceptions and beliefs are relative?

I've often wondered why people assume that things are inherently without point or meaning just because our judgments on things are entirely relative. For things to lack meaning or point, you have to be trying to conceptualize the universe as a totally aloof, dispassionate observer. No such observer exists, and even if they did, their perspective would be as subjective as everybody else's is.

Statements and beliefs that are made about value and meaning (or the lack thereof) can only apply to beings or entities that have the capacity for cognitive awareness and thought. I mean hell, the whole of existence itself isn't even anything like we understand it to be. You have to be able to understand and form concepts about things and their separation from one another spatially and temporally, and even then, a lot of the time the barriers erected for separating a thing from all other things that we use to define it are almost entirely arbitrary.

Statements and even beliefs made about how supposedly meaningful or meaningless things ultimately are in reality/the universe are fundamentally illogical and any conclusions one might derive from doing so are inherently flawed and just as illogical from their conception. Designations and perceptions of any kind just methods of relating various experiences to others one has had in the past. If we're talking about anything that doesn't exist or isn't capable of cognition, there are no designations, hierarchies, or attempts to compare or relate different things with one another, period. Beyond that, there is really no discussion to be had, so concluding that everything's relative nature means that nothing matters is a fallacy.

The idea that something doesn't have meaning or manner in part relies on the comparison of that thing with things that DO matter. All that can be said about existence and the universe at large is that they simply are, and that's about it.
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Polly Bundletene - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:39:33 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884760 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884756

Are you the fool? you seem like the fool. And i mean the tripname not anything else.

your assumptions about me are wrong.
You still fail to prove that sacred geometry is infact sacred instead you skirt around the issue in an almost mastabatory style talking openly to yourself about philisophical ideas of meaning and lack of meaning, yet you fail to even come close to mentioning that we are talking about symbol worship here and pattern recognition.

Can you please try to stay on point here? we get it. you love flowerly language and writing openly.

I know you dont like me saying it but, there is nothing sacred about geometry and nothing in your posts have convinced me that it is.

Its a common simply replicated pattern.
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David Surrybanks - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:27:26 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884760
THIS MAN SAYS BIRDS ARE SACRED AND ASSUMES WE WORSHIP GEOMETRY BECAUSE WE CALL IT SACRED, THIS MAN WORSHIPS BIRDS OVER THE FUNDAMENTAL DESIGN/ NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE
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Polly Bundletene - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:56:13 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.884767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884764

the sacred kingfisher is pretty beautiful though right? :)
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David Surrybanks - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:18:13 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884767
fine
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Matilda Ginkinbury - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:35:27 EST ID:M9jgqRH/ No.884770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884764

Fractals are the essence of the structure of reality, not sacred geometry. Sacred geometry just seems like some feel good bandwagon hype festival that people have monetized as a cash grab from yuppies eager to express their psychedelic prowess and understanding of reality.

I think a more truthful understanding of the structure of reality is the meaninglessness of symbolgy until applied on a subjective level. Am I to also believe that humans are unnatural, and then things we create? Are we not sacred? Is everything, ever, good or bad, not sacred?
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Rebecca Haggleham - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:56:42 EST ID:li3MMiSE No.884777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884770
To be blunt, check yourself before you wreck yourself. Sacred geometry includes stuff like the golden ratio, the golden spiral, etc. The natural world is made of fractal branching and merging as well as toruses it's simple fact bro.

But yes, you are finally getting the point, everything is sacred AND profane at the same time, just by existing. I already said this but nobody listened. Jackasses.
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Matilda Ginkinbury - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 18:39:56 EST ID:M9jgqRH/ No.884779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884777

I'm already wrecked, but thanks for trying to pull me out.

Yeah. It's the experience itself, everything, that's sacred, and in it's own way everything is just as meaningful as everything else. Gg
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Jenny Brookstone - Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:10:05 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.884784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884770
>the meaninglessness of symbolgy until applied on a subjective level
It's not that the symbols are meaningless in that case, it's that symbols are never capable of being the things they represent. I know I just stated the obvious, but there's a reason for it. If symbols are merely an interpretative expression of defined and recognized phenomena, they just don't exist when making a hypothetical (and totally impossible) attempt to view the universe and existence in a state of unified wholeness and, obviously, outside ourselves as objective "observers" for a total lack of any other way to put it.

Well, they do in the sense that the beings that create and express those symbols are pieces of the whole too, but my point here really is that it doesn't make much sense to make statements about qualities conscious beings give to things in relation to the universe at large or anything not capable of cognition. Symbols, in those cases, aren't meaningless so much as they, or any individual thing else (particles, people, dogs, moons, balloons, gatorade, giant alien pussy, etc.). The universe/existence itself, if we are to properly visualize what it's like, just simply is. That's the only safe conclusion we can come to about it.

Fuck, the only reason I even feel comfortable saying that about it is because I'm here and entertaining scenarios where somehow despite experiencing myself observing my conscious experience, I'm not actually real don't actually seem to have any implications that differ from the one's where I assume I am real. But I mean, christ, trying to even get a stumbling grasp of the nature of the unified whole of existence/the universe is about fucking impossible. Closest you can really get to any kind of understanding is some hardcore ego death, but even then, when we're coming back, we immediately begin struggling with digesting the experience in terms of how it relates to our human experience.

>Are we not sacred? Is everything, ever, good or bad, not sacred?
If you will it, so it shall be mang. Depends on your defintion of sacred and your opinion of the yourself, the people around you, and the universe. I could see why somebody would choose to view existence that way, don't really myself though.
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Rebecca Brebbernot - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 08:20:04 EST ID:v/mGMdFW No.884823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884777
What exactly is sacred about it? I guess if you're one of those "everything is sacred" people, but shouldn't "sacred" be reserved for something that's... *not* everything?

>oh look you can notice some of the same geometric patterns at different scales in the Universe
>must be *sacred geometry*

The word sacred has lost its meaning completely at this point.


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