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LSA CWE by Jarvis Susslesin - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 02:02:47 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Question on cold water extraction of morning glory seeds:

CWE works well for me and I usually use like 20-30 oz. The problem is that I have a very difficult time finishing the concoction. I usually only get a little over halfway through the drink before I start to gag and retch the moment that shit hits my tongue. It's not that I am nauseous (the nausea comes later), it's just like my mind won't let me drink anymore.

What's the minimum amount of water (seeds per ounce) I can use for extraction? I don't want to reduce it too much and waste some of the LSA because I didn't use enough water to get all of it out of the mush.
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Beatrice Droddlenetch - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:52:45 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884434
You filter all of the mush out right? And wtf you're doing 20-30oz?? in one dose?
Should be more like 20-30 GRAMS, not ounces. To me it tastes fine and goes down easy with doses around 15 grams, I'm sure it'd be smooth if you filter it all. And wash the shit out of your seeds too
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Clara Blytheridge - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:35:37 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>8844544
>You filter all of the mush out right?
Yes

> And wtf you're doing 20-30oz?? in one dose?
20-30 oz of water, not seeds. I want to cut back on the amount of water because I am unable to finish the entire concoction. The problem is that I don't want to use too little water and end up not getting the full potential dose out of it because the water couldn't hold any more of the alkaloids.

>I'm sure it'd be smooth if you filter it all.
I do filter it, but it's extremely frustrating because coffee filters always seem to rip, and when they don't rip they clog constantly. Fine strainers seem almost useless due to clogging, while coarse strainers (like cheese cloth) let too much of the seed matter through.

>And wash the shit out of your seeds too
They are untreated
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Edwin Dorrytodge - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 05:38:33 EST ID:ySGwvSwU No.884459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884455
Then double or triple up the cheese cloth and lay it over a wire mesh dummy. Also, treated or not the seeds produce poison and are covered in poison that is poisonously poison.
What he meant was 20-30oz of water is nearly 10 times tbe required amount(dummy) so cut back to like half a cup of water and you'll be fine, but for fucks fucking sake scrape all that shit off the outside of them seeds son.
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Sophie Greenfield - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:56:19 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.884460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884455
iit's alweays waize to empley filtering n' decanting in tandem.
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Beatrice Droddlenetch - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:47:26 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884459
Yea 12 ounces is easily enough,

For your problem with coffey filters breaking try using a noodle strainer, with a filter laid in the bowl of it, when it clogs dump the remainder into a pot and then replace the filter. you'll get it somehow.
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Ian Semblewell - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:17:17 EST ID:tnIkdweY No.884484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884455
Maybe you should use a polar solvent other than water, like acetone or alcohol, so you can evaporate it, and then once it evaporates, you can dissolve the alkaloid extract into a small amount of distilled water later.
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Shit Chingerkidge - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:42:01 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884459
>Then double or triple up the cheese cloth and lay it over a wire mesh dummy
Yeah that should have been obvious to me. I feel dumb.

>What he meant was 20-30oz of water is nearly 10 times tbe required amount(dummy)
He compared oz to grams, so I figured he was talking about the weight of the seeds since grams are not used to measure liquids

>but for fucks fucking sake scrape all that shit off the outside of them seeds son.
Looks like I'll have to use HWBR instead of morning glories. Scraping 500 morning glory seeds would be beyond tedious

>>884460
>iit's alweays waize to empley filtering n' decanting in tandem.
Huh???

>>884464
>Yea 12 ounces is easily enough,
Sweet.

>>884484
>Maybe you should use a polar solvent other than water, like acetone or alcohol
Do I still need to use 12 ounces for the extraction? Or can I use less?
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Ian Semblewell - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:23:22 EST ID:tnIkdweY No.884492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884488
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Kash's_Advanced_LSA_Extraction
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Priscilla Sazzleworth - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 04:23:47 EST ID:ySGwvSwU No.884498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884488
Well the seed shell casings are all mildly poisonous(fucking emetics). But on morning glories depending on the cultivar just thorough washing works really well; sorry for some reason I was thinking hbwr. Still its worth noting all the ways these plants try to protect themselves are mild poisons. It all depends on if the plant itself really, but bear in mind for an extraction you may lose some other ergotamine alkaloids present in the plant.
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Shit Chingerkidge - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:45:00 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884498
>Well the seed shell casings are all mildly poisonous(fucking emetics)
Yeah, I usually am able to sift out a lot of the casings before even soaking them. Even after much grinding, some of the husks don't turn into powder.

>But on morning glories depending on the cultivar just thorough washing works really well; sorry for some reason I was thinking hbwr. Still its worth noting all the ways these plants try to protect themselves are mild poisons
I had no idea the husks had poison on the outside that could be washed off. I knew that some could have pesticides, but I figured that was the only thing I had to be concerned about and that untreated seeds were the solution. I guess I didn't do enough research.

>but bear in mind for an extraction you may lose some other ergotamine alkaloids present in the plant.
Yeah I figured. I'll probably add some peppermint oil to make up for it and hopefully get more visuals out of the trip.
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Thomas Gankinworth - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:32:52 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884498
Wash even with soap, in a pasta strainer
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Henry Bicklenad - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:12:22 EST ID:yj4+ogfR No.884512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If I'm not mistaken, lsa itself is to blame for some of the nausea. If that's the case couldn't you supplement your dose with something like Zofran? It's not like it would pass the blood brain barrier so I doubt it would impact the trip, but I would imagine that since it is also similar to serotonin that it would effectively cancel out any residual nausea associated with lsa after it has been extracted right?
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Thomas Gankinworth - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:54:28 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884512
you're mistaken, The natives who did this stuff said never eat the raw seeds, always do a CWE. That's my experience with CWE, 0 nausea, Raw powdered seeds do give nausea, not CWE
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dr. m !gWLn19/oKs - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:27:07 EST ID:kJ5eTy01 No.884533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884434

>Not exclusively using HBWR instead for more pure CWE
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Nell Wuffingridge - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 00:23:45 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884542 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884533
How? Is it because there's less seeds and therefor less solids? Or is it something else?
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Nell Wuffingridge - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:58:51 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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OP here.

Ok, so I'm coming down from a 500 seed CWE extraction trip right now. I tried using a smaller amount of water and ended up with about 8 ounces of liquid following several cycles of straining and filtration. Also added a few drops of peppermint oil.

Worked pretty well. I was surprised at how little nausea there was! In fact, the only time I even came close to throwing up was when I gagged from the taste of the nasty shit water. I thought the peppermint would taste better than the liquid plain, but holy shit was I wrong there. If I could imagine what Mr. Clean's diarrhea might taste like, this was it. It felt like I overdosed on candy canes. The peppermint smell was overwhelming too, and really made it worse. The smell lingered in my nostrils too, as though I had just snorted a line of powdered Altoids.

The Trip:

>Most of the trip was a bit intense in a mind-fuck type way, but at the same time incredibly lucid and clean feeling. I felt like I could act completely normal while simultaneously experiencing everything this trip had to offer. It was as though concepts sobriety and inebriation had formed a truce with each other and could co-exist somehow resulting in a state of intoxication without being intoxicated. At the peak of the trip however it became impossible for me to act normal. Words began to lose meaning as my mind began to hear them as a series of sounds rather than vocalizations with any lingual significance. Every construct devised by human intelligence seemed so unnecessary and arbitrary. Things like language, math, science, religion, and civilization in general seemed so utterly pointless; the only thing that made sense, the only thing that mattered, was mind.

>There was also this strange sensation that I can only really describe as 'psuedophysical.' I felt as though my body was small, as though my physical dimensions had been reduced, but this was not visibly perceivable; I could only feel it. I also felt as though every part of my body was much further away from my head than it was normally, and this conflicted with the feelings of being small; it was as though I was simultaneously big and small at the same time. I had a really hard time wrapping my head around this feeling and spent what must have been around 30 minutes trying my best to understand how this oxymoronic perception was even possible, especially since I could only feel it, not see it.

Afterwards:

The addition of peppermint didn't seem to add to the visuals or anything. In fact, I got stronger visuals last time without peppermint oil. Maybe I did it wrong? Regardless, the peppermint made the liquid taste much worse than just the plain brown extract water. I also threw a few drops of lemon juice into the solution, and experienced no positive or negative effects from this. I thought about putting a half-shot of Everclear into the mix as well to see if it would aid in the extraction of alkaloids, but immediately decided against that idea. I had a gut feeling that the mixing of Everclear and peppermint would cause me to vomit, so I didn't take the chance.
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Archie Shakebury - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:23:45 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884557
Glad you had some success, Look up what happens when you add cinnamon oil.
It reacts with the LSA and turns it into LSC lysergic acid cinnamaldihide ( sorry if spelled wrong. It's said it's more visual than LSA. I've never done it( Tried but the cinnamon oil wasn't legit) so get the good one
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Cornelius Brammerfidge - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:28:24 EST ID:W85oI4Kb No.884562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884557

I'm glad it worked, but I think it's crazy you only took 500 seeds, and with a cold water extraction you lose almost half the potency. Back when I experimented with lsa I was taking on average 2,100 to 2,400 seeds per trip with a cwe.

Lsa is easily one of my favorite psychedelics. The only bad thing about it is the nausea. For me purging was a necessary evil. Very spiritual trip though. I really felt connected to god. It was like a mix between lsd and shrooms. And on high doses you get intense visuals, open and closed. One of my friends almost broke through on 1,800 seeds.
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Archie Shakebury - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:43:13 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884562
https://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_dose.shtml
Potency of seeds varies alot, and or a fail CWE
Approx Number of Morning Glory Seeds by Exp. Report Intensity (2000)
Light 25, 38, 48, 125, 140, 150, 200, 200, 250, 250, 262 no naptha, 350 naptha,
500 no naptha, 700 starting fluid (heptain, diethyl ether, hexane)
Medium 110, 125 naptha, 154, 240, 245, 300, 315, 315, 315, 315 no naptha,
350, 400, 450, 470 475 no naptha, 500
Strong 280 no naptha, 300 no naptha, 350 no naptha, 400 no naptha,
440 with naptha, 15g (525*) no naptha
* - using 35 seeds per gram for rough estimates
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Eliza Daddlemeck - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:14:05 EST ID:W85oI4Kb No.884565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884564

Yeah, I always found it strange that a ordinary dose for me was four times the suggest dose for a strong trip.
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Eliza Daddlemeck - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:17:12 EST ID:W85oI4Kb No.884566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884565

Then again, I guess I should clarify that other people experience a much much stronger trip than I do on similar doses. This is from my experience with all manner of psychedelics and dissociatives. A 400mic dose of lsd for me is about the same as a 200mic dose of lsd to any of my friends. I haven't the slightest idea why this would be, but that's just how it is. Always sucks that I have to spend twice as much money to have the same experience.
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Augustus Fuckingwater - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:32:43 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884566
>> CHAD
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Eliza Daddlemeck - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:01:19 EST ID:W85oI4Kb No.884569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884567

Why are you mocking me? Do you think I enjoy having to double my doses to reach the same level as my friends who I'm trying to have crazy adventures with?
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Augustus Fuckingwater - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:01:49 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884569
It was a joke no hard feelings intended
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Eliza Daddlemeck - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:06:37 EST ID:W85oI4Kb No.884572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884571

Oh, my bad lmao. I have been going way too serious today. Please continue with the jokes, and slayer friend!!
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Augustus Fuckingwater - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:16:50 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884572
SLAYER LAWL

Here's a microwave Tick
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Ernest Ballylock - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 01:06:05 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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OP here

>>884562
>I'm glad it worked, but I think it's crazy you only took 500 seeds, and with a cold water extraction you lose almost half the potency.
I was surprised too, especially with so little water. I'll probably bump it up to around 700-800 next time around.

>>884564
>Potency of seeds varies alot, and or a fail CWE
If it makes any difference, I wasn't using the standard 'Heavenly Blue' variety. I was using the ones with the purple flowers; says "I. Purpurea" on the bag.

So I have some HWBR seeds ordered. How do the two trips compare? Is there any noticeable difference in effects? Or are they pretty much the same aside from how many seeds are needed to get a good dose?
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Augustus Fuckingwater - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:41:15 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884578
It does make a difference, in my research heavenly blues are the most potent.


I think I've had hbwr with 2c-e (epic) but It should be about the same effects, LSA is LSA
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Emma Brapperhot - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:03:50 EST ID:WWVcVP+8 No.884612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>884604
>I think I've had hbwr with 2c-e (epic)

You think? You're not sure? Then it must have been really good. Too bad I'm too chicken to order research chemicals like that. Don't want to wake up one morning with the cops knocking on my door.
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Phineas Dullywater - Tue, 16 Jan 2018 03:47:14 EST ID:ySGwvSwU No.884626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884578
I. Purpea is just I. Violicae which is just I. Tricolor which is all versions of heavenly blues really. Potency is about the same, the saucer variety is weaker though.
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Cornelius Turveyfoot - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:31:46 EST ID:5d/S5CjL No.884679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>884612
because i didn't prepare it myself, idk, i took one capsule probably 1-2 seeds


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