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Crazy Trip by Ernest Greenman - Mon, 14 May 2018 19:05:13 EST ID:sRi9J2d3 No.888780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Man, I took 2 hits of acid, and I was tripping. And my thoughts just would not stop. And it felt like I was really close to going crazy. It was kind of scary and out of control.
So how do people take even higher doses and not go crazy?

And overall, how hard is it go to permanently crazy from psychedelics?
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Eugene Grimfuck - Mon, 14 May 2018 19:38:19 EST ID:/ilBysrR No.888781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888780
Lucy can be tough since it lasts so long, you actually think you will be like that forever, but it's just drugs and it will wear off.
Anyone that goes permanently crazy from psychs were going to go crazy anyway, but the psychs were an early trigger for sure
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Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Mon, 14 May 2018 23:08:10 EST ID:Y9/NV241 No.888785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I personally enjoy the epic roller coaster of heavy trips. Going temporarily crazy is exactly what I pay good money for. But it's not for everyone. There's no reason to push yourself beyond your comfort level if you don't feel like you're getting anything from it.

> how hard is it go to permanently crazy from psychedelics?
Depends how you define "crazy." From a clinical perpective of psychiatric disorders, very unlikely unless you're predisposed to those disorders already. Everyone varies though. I have a half dozen diagnoses and I still love the shit. I haven't gone off my rocker completely, but I have developed some atypical metaphysical ideas, not firm beliefs per se, but things that make sense to me, even if only as an analogy. And if I tried to explain them I would sound crazy, but that's why I know they're just for me, and it doesn't matter if it's truly "true" if it gives me a certain comfort and sense of guidance, and is always food for thought.
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Charlotte Mucklewane - Mon, 14 May 2018 23:49:17 EST ID:4KKfYAqT No.888786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888785
>atypical metaphysical ideas
tell this to a doctor and they will try to call this crazy but I absolutely understand what you mean.
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Sophie Brevingstudge - Tue, 15 May 2018 06:35:28 EST ID:0cxC0T2O No.888789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888780

I've seen a good deal of people on here who don't openly understand that psychedelic drugs literally cause you to lose your sanity for a period of time. When you're under the influence of a hallucinogenic compound, you are literally insane for the duration if its effects.
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Fuck Nicklespear - Tue, 15 May 2018 09:07:20 EST ID:dfBTLAu9 No.888793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>888781
>Anyone that goes permanently crazy from psychs were going to go crazy anyway
I disagree, to be honest I'll say what nobody who uses psychs wants to hear, I think they can make you go crazy a bit, relative to how you would be had you not taken them. It really depends tho. If you have a lot of issues and hangups and such before taking acid, then taking acid a few times will probably help you sort out your issues and become more mentally at peace and chill aka less crazy. However, once you are calm, or if you were calm to begin with, taking acid can gradually lead you down a path of spirituality and mysticism or at least heavy philosophical thinking. In our society, this is a hair's breath from being "crazy". For example you're working at a desk job but your mind is elsewhere, thinking about the angelic beings you contacted or the dimension you entered on your last acid trip.

Also it's something like, if you leaved neatly "inside the box" before, acid etc. can wake you up out "from the matrix" and show you new ways to think. With all the new modes of thought that psychedelics unlock, there are more potential routes to go "crazy" versus if you don't take them. Psychedelics are like Pandora's box, a can of worms, the forbidden fruit from Eden. They will likely change your mind and way of thinking.

You can also lapse into straight out psychosis as a result of taking psychs, which can last for quite a while potentially. Psychedelics are powerful things.
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Fuck Nicklespear - Tue, 15 May 2018 09:09:02 EST ID:dfBTLAu9 No.888794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888793
>what nobody who uses psychs wants to hear
or maybe some people want to hear it, who knows.


> if you leaved neatly "inside the box"
lived*
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Caroline Sebbercocke - Tue, 15 May 2018 09:18:29 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.888796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888793
I don't necessarily disagree with what you're getting at, but having a psychotic episode isn't really the same thing as developing mental illness or otherwise going permanently insane/crazy/psychotic. Even something as simple as intense stress is capable of triggering psychosis in normal people who aren't schizophrenic, bipolar, etc., and don't use psychotomimetic drugs or other drugs known to be capable of causing psychotic episodes like potent stimulants (meth, coke, regular amps, etc.).

So while your post is pretty much correct, I'm nitpicking the fact you argued against that anon's quote which specifically refers to going permanently crazy... which we can pretty much assume to mean that some kind of mental illness is developed or brought out as a result of tripping.
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Fuck Nicklespear - Tue, 15 May 2018 09:50:46 EST ID:dfBTLAu9 No.888797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>888796
Well, if every time someone goes crazy after taking psychs, we say "well they were bound to go crazy anyway regardless". Then it's settled isn't it? But I think that's sort of idealistic thinking that makes psychedelics seem safer than they actually are. Temporary psychotic episodes are temporary indeed, but I said that more as an additional thing, not as a direct response to the quote.

Also if the doctors get their hands on you while you're psychotic, they'll probably get you on all sorts of meds, something to be wary of too.
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Eliza Dartham - Tue, 15 May 2018 10:11:23 EST ID:In5Yf4bx No.888798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888797

Psychosis generally denotes some kind of loss of control. It's possible to think/be rational even on heavy trips, maybe even more rational than normal. You're drawing such a thick line between "sane" and "insane," just throwing terms around like "literally insane" means nothing really.
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Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Tue, 15 May 2018 12:36:53 EST ID:Y9/NV241 No.888799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888786
That's what I mean. I know from an objective perspective it seems crazy, but that's why I don't put full faith in it. It's not like I took LSD and suddenly decided God was Fibanocci spiral. It's not at all dogmatic. But the things that I've found myself thinking about on psychedelics are often still interesting to consider sober. The nature of existence, the rise and fall cultural tides, and especially free will, and how all of these things may or may not be connected. And sometimes, not unlike a truly faith based religion, the things that I think about mean something to me. And it's enough to just think about them. I don't need to know the truth. Anything that keeps me entertained with life is a good thing.
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Caroline Sebbercocke - Tue, 15 May 2018 13:24:23 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.888802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888798
I took some issue with his usage of the term "insane" myself but refrained from posting because I figured I was being a bit of a pedantic twat. Insane is pretty much just a legal term afaik, and "crazy"'s meaning is so nebulous because it's colloquially used in such a variety of contexts and to refer to so many different things that neither are sufficient in actually referring to... well, really anything when it comes to the topic of mental illness and being predisposed to bouts of psychosis.

However, I do think it's important to acknowledge the point he was really getting at in his comment, because in itself it isn't wrong. When you take a psychotomimetic hallucinogenic drug, you do literally enter a psychotomimetic altered state of consciousness. Depending on the drug and dosage, the psychosis-like effects one experiences can vary (especially when considering our observations with experiments replicating animal models of schizophrenia and psychosis, where dissociatives tend to cause nearly all of the symptoms associated with true psychosis and/or schizophrenia and can even be entirely indistinguishable from it, whereas pychedelics generally only cause some of those effects), but you can't ignore the reality that the substance you're tripping on is producing brain states that cause psychosis-like symptoms.

For certain, claiming that one becomes literally insane or literally crazy on psychedelics or dissociatives is essentially meaningless as a statement because the poor choice of terminology, but the spirit of his message remains more or less correct.
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Henry Wubbleham - Tue, 15 May 2018 21:37:19 EST ID:PYoqQ+AI No.888810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
same OP
two hits left me fucked up for FIFTEEN hours
also most people i know just do half a tab or one tab. they were shocked i took two

is a 10 strip really worth it? i feel like there's a limit for mindfuckery
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Phoebe Murdcocke - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:00:52 EST ID:4lwkdJKv No.888812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888810
dont do a 10strip unless ur literally alan watts at age 60.. shits fucking insane, my 150 previous trips were nothing compared to a fucking 10strip, i literally thought the world was ending and yes you will go fucking insane, but youll probably be ok the day after yknow? just respect the damn chemicals otherwise theyll rape you,

if 2 is a lot, try 3, find your limit before pushing the boundaries, its not some magic drug that will fix everything, its pure chaos
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Henry Wubbleham - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:21:39 EST ID:PYoqQ+AI No.888814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888812
well that's a given lol. i was really asking if there's a noticeable difference between 5 and 7 or 10 tabs trips
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Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:03:26 EST ID:Y9/NV241 No.888820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888814
Yes. Depending on your personal tolerance a breakthrough happens at different dosages. For a lot of people 500µg is the threshold, kinda like McKenna's 5g Shrooms. For others it's 1+mg. But at some point you will break through. It's not like a DMT breakthrough in experience, but there's the same level of complete goneness. "Ego death" is (IMO) an over used term, but something along those lines. You lose your body and enter (a version of) hyperspace. Once you hit that threshold, things don't change that much. The intermittent moments return of the physical world will disappear. You'll be out for longer. The hyperspace you create becomes more and more detailed, but then at some point past that it'll just start to shred your memory of the entire experience.
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Beatrice Brookcocke - Wed, 16 May 2018 07:17:50 EST ID:REAebja2 No.888824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888820

yeah, kind of like blue lines on a grass cutting simulation.
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Hamilton Blogglepad - Wed, 16 May 2018 11:17:41 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.888827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888812
>its not some magic drug that will fix everything, its pure chaos

ah, but therein lies the beauty of retarded megadoses. think about it, that chaos is like the formless, undifferentiated potential of the cosmos prior to existence as we know it. to experience that chaos and then to experience the process of one's return to state of consciousness and being that is more orderly is like experiencing in a way the birth of the universe itself. i mean yeah it's only somewhat analogous to that, but none of what we experience matches up with reality 1 to 1.



that chaos is what it is to be without any definite shape or substance. its a return to a primordial state. one that isn't quite death, but also resemble existence as we know it or it actually now is at all. a state of nothingness, yet everything all at once. it's a reflection of a more fundamental nature of the universe that underlies and begets all creation in all the ways possible for what comes of it to be.



returning from that is like the first bits of quanta/information beginning to interact, which eventually leads to the formation of more complex systems of interaction to emerge. the chaos begins to give way to structures of orderliness that allow for the creation, storage, and communication of information. eventually it all results in reality as we know it--or in keeping with the analogy, for us personally to reform our coherent comprehension and understandings of concepts and ideas.



i mean, what more could you want from a substance? it's without a doubt a fuckin train wreck, but don't we all find ourselves rubbernecking at the site of those beautiful disasters and gawking in awe at the sheer, raw power that was wrought at the moment they occurred? it's captivating and entrancing, and we initially find ourselves at a total loss of how to even begin approaching what to do in response. and then we snap out of it, and begin to haphazardly pick up the pieces, eventually becoming increasingly systematic in how we go about removing the wreckage until once more, things reach a state of equilibrium.



to me, that's why you take hallucinogens and psychedelics in particular. utter annihilation can be traumatic if you let it be, but it can be equally as cathartic, euphoric, entertaining, and intellectually stimulating as well. trauma can subside and dissolve away entirely provided you let go of its hold on you, and to me the positive, beneficial aspects i just listed are valuable far in excess of the possible negative consequence of trauma, not saying people should throw caution to the wind, just stating my personal outlook and approach to the psychedelic experience.
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this, dance sing or listen to music. - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:10:22 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.888830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>888810
>i feel like there's a limit for mindfuckery
mfw
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Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:37:59 EST ID:Y9/NV241 No.888834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>888830
Yeah. Every time I think I've tripped just about as hard as I possibly can– well– there's always a bigger fish.
> pic related
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Hamilton Blogglepad - Wed, 16 May 2018 17:09:35 EST ID:7OBsp/5q No.888835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888834
eh, back when i was still able to actually fuck around with all this shit all the time, i tried one upping a trip i had on a moderately high dose of 3-meo-pcp and a pretty high dose of DPT (I think 15mg and 240mg respectively) but i've never been able to accomplish that. the closest i got was when i dosed 460mg 4-meo-pcp, 60mg 5-APB, 180mg 4-FA, and 460mg DPT intermittently over a 6 hour period once.

the experience is the second hardest ive tripped to be certain, but the 3-meo-pcp and DPT experience itself was still at least twice as hard as I tripped then. the 3-meo-pcp, 5-APB, 4-FA, DPT trip was a lot more lucid and ridiculously more hallucinogenic though.

im pretty sure it was the mania from the 3-meo and how much more dream-like or psychotic-like that experience was that makes it so untouchable.the profundity of it was so fuckin over the top unreal that i'm not really sure i can ever get there again or am meant to.

the 4-meo etc. etc. DPT trip on the other hand was one where I could much more easily observe and keep track of exactly how my minds ability to form a cohesive representation of reality was so thoroughly impaired. rather than get lost in or swept up in the experience and how powerful it was like with the other trip, i retained what was pretty much the perfect level of lucidity when balanced with the hallucinations and ridiculous level of perceptual distortions and hallucinations were going on.

on top of seeing all kinds of neon color-spectrum cycling wireframe entities of enormous size and runes/glyphs and shit, i literally experienced my perception of time go backwards for a period of about 5 seconds, and my vision started spitting into view like fuckin spiders mans webshots coming in from left to right and and starting from the top going to the bottom (horizontally). shit was encased in kinds of all kinds of hexagonal crystals that had infinitely receding layers of crystals inside them that moved around with parallax when looking around like some kind of holographic image, entities probed my thoughts, when i looked up at the ceiling there would be "white holes" that were like black holes that along their diameter the light swirling into them separated the oolor spectrum and they coalesced, and when i tried creating hallucinations by thought alone i had a hologram of what looked like a small spaceships windshield and a heads up display with all kinds of random geometry and glyphs manifest, etc.

yet, despite all thatm the lucidity and the relative uh... let's say a lack of emotional challenge and my mostly intact ability to comprehend what was going on (despite not being able to at the same time, but i mean i had enough at least some of a grasp where as i had absolutely none on the other stronger trip) made it something that, even though completely unique and fucking awesome, was in no way comparable to what happened with the 3-meo and dpt. i really cant even begin to describe the ways it was so intense in the exact ways it was, but it was fucking amazing and i loved every second of it.
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Henry Wubbleham - Wed, 16 May 2018 18:56:32 EST ID:PYoqQ+AI No.888838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888820
nicely put, thanks!
i did breakthrough with the two hits but it was just for like half an hour, still really beautiful
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Hannah Soblingluck - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:56:04 EST ID:LywZUfmH No.888839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's no limit to mindfuckery.

There is however a limit to where you can still write a trip report.

If you can describe your trip or write a trip report, YOU DID NOT TAKE ENOUGH.
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Martin Blasslebanks - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:28:57 EST ID:JKSRQD60 No.888843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888827
yeah man i agree
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Eugene Pickwell - Thu, 17 May 2018 04:13:45 EST ID:iK8F8jxt No.888847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888839

Yes, I agree.

Ideally your trip report should become the REST OF YOUR LIFE!
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Awe !!vVWR8L52 - Thu, 17 May 2018 05:03:03 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.888848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888839
you would be surprised what is still possible to have a some sort of recollection of. I think cannabis can actually aid in remembering things that you are not meant to remember.
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Charlotte Fazzleville - Thu, 17 May 2018 21:50:20 EST ID:LywZUfmH No.888867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888848
>Awe saying some retarded shit
Wow, colour me surprised.

Remembering shit from beyond =/= relaying that information to other people.

There's a point where there's no point in even trying to explain the experiences you've had because these experiences are composed out of such pure psychedelic hallucinations without a single core of reality attached, they're essentially random noise and as such cannot in any way or form be described.
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Awe !!vVWR8L52 - Fri, 18 May 2018 14:50:10 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.888888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888867
My trips seem to be the opposite of yours.

It's like random noise inverted. Very Fucking Random.
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Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Fri, 18 May 2018 15:15:27 EST ID:Y9/NV241 No.888891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>888867
I think you're just not trying very hard with your language. Sure there will always be ineffable details, that while the tripper remembers no 3rd party will ever understand. But I can always describe parts of it. And parts of those parts will be explained well enough that someone else would have their own image of what I'm talking about. Sure it's never going to be the same because language is incredibly fallible, as are our individual interpretations of any given word. But if you can't say anything about a trip at all I think that's just you not trying to figure out how.


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