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Help. Pls (Hyperspace, entities, maya etc) by ''we'' - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 17:38:57 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.889947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ok so about 24 hours ago i ingested 12 tabs of arguably weak ass lsd.
Whilst watching Shpongle Codex IV, the image started to reveal ''multidimensional hyperspace'' which i've seen before on a trip but forgot about it.
Also the music started to describe the ''hallucinations'' i was experiencing.
This was really awesome, because the image became some ''multidimensional stageplay of perception manifested as (a) reality''
It also told me that i am inside a machine basically.

I went to my bathroom and started to hotbox, acquiring information from reality itself as the information started to form from the walls, floor, everywhere.
It was soon that i found myself aware of certain coincedences that had always been happening throughout life but this time i could pinpoint it to entities. Invisible, reality editing entities, basically.
As this awareness grew well, soon i was visited by shadows outside the bathroom door. All that i can really describe them as is time travelling aliens that hold reality/dimensions/time together.
they started to move the door, even contorting it in impossible geometry (opening it the wrong way). I saw the door open widely enough on one or two occasions to have let one or more of the entities in the room. Also, the light had switched off during this visitation.

They gave me a sense of who i was before this life and how i died. Somehow my ''assumed previous killer'' was an entity sitting ''inside'' my sink.

All of this was coming to some DMT conclusion or flashback. Superpositions between real and fake / doubt and certainty. Life and death.
one of the flashback (of the underworld/afterlife) was so strong i am convinced that they were there in the darkness, and that i had almost passed them the burning roach from the spliff i was smoking there. I saw their faces as they held out their hands to grab it.

Sortof like angels actually. Those were human.. (human faces. One female especially)..
There's a reason i did 12 tabs. My previous upper limit was 5 (of weak tabs)
I had to pursue some knowledge, ended up getting my mind blown.
I went into this with the knowledge already that i am essentially part of the illusion, and that hallucinations are a reality in themselves at the bare minimal.

I'm having trouble coping. Basically i'm living inside a machine and there's some advanced higher archy to this, communicating to me that, yo, you're living inside a machine.
And then they go on to prove that yes, you are living in a machine.
I've a feeling it should all be uphill from here but i don't know man.
I really would like some input on the matter. Especially since people here are likely to have had actual encounters with these entities.
EVEN THE DMT REPORTS ARE VALUABLE DATA TO ME HERE
Anything we can know about these beings and their workings.
Cause a bush can grow spikes or flowers depending on perception basically... (that's how i can describe it now). I mean, if you've seen this effect can you help me? I will try to help you in return. Any data is useful.
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Hannah Fanville - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 17:47:51 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.889948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>889947

>12 tabs of arguably weak ass lsd.
>12 tabs of weak ass lsd
>12 tabs
>arguably
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''we'' - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 17:54:06 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.889949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm most concerned about the ''shadow self''.
So these entities, as they closed the door, i just heard myself hoping they'd leave just a bit of light for me to see, and they did. A shadow walked in, i heard or felt the door ''lock'' sortof in place. The whole sense was that an entity or group of, had opened my door, let someone inside, then closed the door shut behind him/her/it. Immediately the water from my shower started to drip and i was hearing footsteps or a loud splash of water coming from right next to me. This was so loud that i literally was startled. I started to see red liquid (representing blood probably) and during this sequence thoughts raced through my mind:
A) There is no escape from here (i can't flee fast enough against paranormal entities/forces)
B) I could die here if i'm not careful (pray to god)
C) I could feel this shadow play around with a few ways to have killed me in a few moments
And then it had passed. I did not dare move. I felt as though this was some sort of trial. The universe/reality probing my mind, seeing if any sort of ''natural'' fear responses remained from some existence that i had been before this form/identity.
Anyway, i think i got spooked enough by the experience that i turned on the lights.
It was here that i had this bizarre context of something DMT had been showing me in both ''divine and demonic'' contexts. Both the same ''accusal of identity'' (me).

Anyway when the lights turned on i'm not sure how but i ''saw'' and sensed an old man from the wild west sortof era, with a cigarette in a chair with a loaded gun.
Now, this man was comprised of a sink as his body, the chair i didn't even see, the gun was a washcloth, but the context was so much there that i ''knew'' he was there.

Also i saw the washcloth contort itself into forms that would affirm such a beleif. I'm not sure if i sensed this man when the lights were still off, in any case, it summoned a lot of awareness to mind.
>i've been killed by this man with a loaded gun
>he's smoking the cigarette because he waited a long time to get me
>i was likely a criminal that he'd rather not shoot, but had to, like an old pal or nemesis.
>i had a feeling that i had been in some sort of shootout involving 3 men. Possibly more or less.

I think these entities know exactly who i was and i'm in some sort of karmic space jail for my crimes. It's like asking mold about the corpse it is feeding on.... i was finding myself tracing the mold on my sink. Thinking about how energy is never destroyed.... the information has got to be there, right?
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Hannah Fanville - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 18:13:27 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.889950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889949

>C) I could feel this shadow play around with a few ways to have killed me in a few moments

It could be that your mind was testing itself with catastrophic possibility, on a level you were not previously aware of. For instance, in order to do the simplest thing right, one must hold up a mirror of everything else that could go wrong, which is an illusion, but exists nevertheless, as a process for something so simple, like cutting vegetables, to go right. Idk, I'm just throwing this out there, so in your dissociated state, these shadows were opening a door, and letting in this sort of nemesis, or shadow figure, whom you describe as a jailer. You saw blood trickle down the shower. The process of elimination for cutting vegetables safely would be so automatic in your normal state, but in the altered state the "others" required to do this right might make themselves fully manifest. In order to do anything, you must in some sense realise its' opposite, and yet this is indefinable, you don't see it, what is the opposite of what you are doing, being right now? It's the play of perception. This would make itself manifest in this state as a sort of trial maybe, a conference, or ritual.

>"accusal of identity"

yes, like a "who do you think you are?" everything becomes alien, and why in this state do you treat yourself as you do, you are not of old, you are new.

Therefore, a sink could merge and become this lone wild west bounty hunter, because going to the sink is not what you are doing, you are doing something else, the bounty hunter is warning you of the peril of doing anything other than what you are doing, so that's why this being appeared not malevolent, but like an old friend, it is not your enemy, but rather your old friend who'll kill you, or has killed you for committing the crime of doing anything other than you are doing, or being anything other than what you are, which is ironically also what this man is. So if that watchful bounty hunter nemesis/friend is there to do that job, then it is still there, but you are not perceiving in the same way as an imaginary being because you're not metchamvically tabulated.
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Polly Blavingmod - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 18:17:38 EST ID:rOjFkZVS No.889951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889941
The nature of the trip with the coincidences and what not sounds exactly like what I find to be what I describe as the more "schizophrenic/psychotic-like" elements of an experience that dissociatives often produce in me (particularly those with potent sigma 1 agonism in high doses, like DXM or 3-MeO-PCP especially) that psychedelics never have in me. It's much more down the rabbithole/conspiracy-like and manic.

That aside, try and consider the "revelations" you had in your trip in different ways than were made immediately obvious to you through perception and sensation. You'd be surprised how much they still apply to reality and existence even after interpreting them as meaning something almost entirely altogether different from how you originally perceived their meaning as a result of tripping when coming to realize these things.

For instance, what is the difference between a machine and a human being? A machine/computer and the mind? Our mental construction of a model of our current reality after integrating all of our sensory perceptions and processing them in the context of our past memories of previous mental models and a simulation of reality? A machine is merely a system whose component parts function together and interact with one another and as a result of that perform some action or task. Isn't that what the body is, despite being biological in origin? Cells exist as a microcosm of various component parts all working according to some rhythm and as a result peform all kinds of actions, and you are composed of trillions of these tiny machines. The universe itself is a macrocosm of component parts interacting with one another and doing things (think of planets, stars, and life being created as a result, just to name a few things).

The truth is, you do live in a machine, and that truth remains true on multiple levels. In fact, it could be said it is as true on as many levels as one is capable of applying it to. Similarly it can be untrue on just as many levels. The universe is a machine, the cell is a machine, your body is a machine, your brain and in effect, your mind is a machine. All that is required for something to be considered a machine is for it to be comprised of multiple parts and to be capable of doing things. You live in the universe, you live in a machine. Your life is an amalgamations of distinct but inexorably intertwined perceptions, you perceive your life and existence through and as a part of a machine. For all you know, you could exist within a machine or computer constructed by higher beings as a simulation of some sort, but whether or not that's true doesn't actually matter when considered in light of everything else I just mentioned.
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Polly Blavingmod - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 18:38:40 EST ID:rOjFkZVS No.889952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To go even further, I think the biggest reason for the perception and sensation of living in a machine arising during your trip is because "machine" is just a word. Words are symbols that represent complex concepts that are condensed into a singular whole. The complexity of a concept, like the associations between the perceptual phenomena that are at its root, is processed into the unconscious part of the mind--it's visceral, fundamentally irrational. It's only revealed to the conscious mind intellectually in the form of singular concepts and the words that represent them, whose shape and substance are dictated by the rational--reason and logic.

That which is rational, reason, and logic are what give rise to duality. For something to exist separate and distinct from the whole of existence (in other words, to be a component of it), it must be given imaginary, mostly arbitrary boundaries that confine both what a thing is and is not into the cage of definition. We think and understand through analogy. A dog is similar to a wolf, but also a little bit different from a wolf. One shade of grey is different than another, even if only slightly. White is just a maximmum polar tint on one end of a spectrum, black the other maxmimum polar shade in the other; the difference between black and white along with minor shades of grey from one another serve as a metric for measuring the difference and similarity between given things. A similarity itself is just a difference of small or minimal degree, and a difference a similarly small/minimal degree of similarity.

Despite the singular nature and wholeness of words and images, what they actually symbolize is the result of a judgment or measurement made while considering the context relative to what's being judged/measured simultaneously. Ever seen the optical illusion where a set of dark and light grey tiles can deceive you into believing two tiles of the exact same shade are in fact different? The same effect occurs in a broader context unconsciously when processing sensory information about the world. What is and is not a machine depends on what collection of things you are comparing to one another. Everything works this way.

That said, literally everything that is understood as a result of logical reasoning and rational thought is capable of both being simultaneously what you say and believe something is while equally being what it is not. This is because your understanding of a thing was never actually that thing. You merely decided how you'd perceive and understand that that thing, and based on the rules that form the basis of how you contextualize and understand that thing, it can be whatever and can NOT be whatever you make of it.
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''we'' - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 19:17:18 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.889954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889951
>type up full essay worth of posting
>post brings me to captcha
>post is gone

I'm kind on a bit of a headache when thinking too much about it
Quality posts i am very grateful and i am listening and i agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I prefer psilocybin as it usually reinforces my ego instead of dissoluting it.
(i am doing the magic vs the magic is being done by the universe)
it's a strange juxtaposition between the two. Anyway.

One thing i'll say here,
Whilst watching Shpongle codex IV the music itself stated ''you are in a machine''
Ok this is the thing.
When watching the stuff sober most of the time this is unheard of,
Then you listen to it on a trip
And suddenly all these new sounds are added and a new song appears basically and it feels like another dimension has been overlaid or you are in another dimension
and the music kept repeat you are in a machine whilst the ''jpg'' became a fully animated psychedelic stageplay of all sorts of, well, DMT like imagery.
I mean the first time in this trip when the jpg started to become fully animated (by meditation/focusing alternate perceptions) it was revealed all the dimensions and layers underneath that were there from memory. It wasn't the first time i saw this.
(i saw it on a previous trip just can't remember when)
anyway the song started to repeat ''hyperdrive'' and charge into some progressive beat whilst the animation just charged itself into more and more forms.
Like some giant skull with more skull growing out of it and all the layer splitting apart and new imagery emerging from it...
Then it started to animate spirals and the song jest kept repeating ''spirals'' ''spirals''

Also i'm convinced these entities are real. I'm pretty sure they actually stole my coat. Not many places i could've left it within this medium sized appartment, lol.
Anyway i'm gonna make my head hurt a bit less and lurk a bit more for any information available.
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Wesley Nicklestone - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:04:40 EST ID:dzqe+Hzb No.889957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>889949
You sound like quite the fucking asshole tbh dude BUT

Since you mentioned it

I have to ask

> shadow self
Do you even realize that is an actual term in astrology? Most assholes figure DURRRRR MY ZODIAC SIGN IS MY SUNSIGN, dafuqs a moonsign or ascendant sign or midheaven sign or Shadowself? Durr whats a birth report and numerology?

I suggest you not be just any other asshole, and research a bit on that stuff.

Or, ya know, just keep going off your own made up version of the term Shadowself... either way, that term has meaning established long before your little pursuit of knowledge here, so, I’d try and connect some dots if I were you.

Also quit writing fucking diatribes dude

If you cant explain it simply, or shortly, then you probably cant explain it at all.
No matter how much detail you put into this vivid experience, it still comes off as nonsense bro.
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Basil Mubblepane - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 22:55:31 EST ID:X9Mi4dBP No.889962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889947
reminds me of a trip I had during a ~month long binge of blotter

"saw spacetime", thought I could read minds, and during the peak of this particular trip, manifested a female humanoid spirit like entity, filling me with profound calmness and innocent sexual energy / appreciation.

I googled tulpas and telepathic experiences for quite some time afterward, but realized these thoughts are not "normal" or conducive of normal social interactions, so I stopped taking blotter for a while.

I got back to normal. You'll be better off for having the EXPERIENCE, but not for continuing to experience it, that will only drive you mad. Take a long break, get to a point where you could have a normal conversation with your grandparents (just an example of someone with "typical" views of society / reality)

A big part of appreciating these experiences without letting them take over your life or thoughts is keeping them out of your realm of normality.

The more you normalize and repeat the experience, the more "default" and "obvious" the "revelations" become. The real "lesson" is being able to draw on those perspectives years or weeks or days later when you are sober, IMO.

TL;DR: Don't worry and simply try not to think of the aspects which bother you, and if you are bothered, take a long break from psychs. Sounds like an objectively cool experience that you can look back on and gain insight into yourself at some point in the future. Alternatively if you dwell over it, the benefits of such an otherworldly experience might yield to mental instability. (I'm assuming this level of mental instability is abnormal for you.)

If you experienced stuff like this either before you started tripping, or when sober, or every single time you trip, it might be worth your time to see a psychiatrist. I would take a clean break first though and then reassess how you feel.
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Albert Fizzlewadge - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 00:49:53 EST ID:YjfLHof4 No.889963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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OP, the web of consciousness is another sense us humans possess. as is our past energy lives. it, too, behaves a web. you were several somethings and nothing noteworthies in a past life. I was a samurai, and the wife of a ranch owner.

are you sure these entities aren't trying to say something meaningful to you? maybe it's a reward for seeing the way out of the machine. i'm scraping the inside of the outermost shell but i'm not free yet.
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Nell Brovingford - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 00:55:34 EST ID:82H6cLTg No.889964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>takes megadose of lsd
>asks others for help
nigga this is a path that you and you decided to take alone, there's nothing we can tell you
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Ian Murdford - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 04:35:43 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.889965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889954

>Then it started to animate spirals and the song jest kept repeating ''spirals'' ''spirals''

You're being forced to identify with the experience you're having, and in the ensuing chaos you create "spirals" to identify endlessly repeating spirals, and it merges with the music you are hearing in your interconnected senses and loosened headspace. It repeats for lack of a reason why there are spirals their, and the mind is perceiving this is reality.

Really this happens in everyday life too, which is why some people perceive people on television or radio say something that directly relates to something weighing heavy on their mind, or if you think of Homer's sleepless obsessive hatred for Moe in that Simpsons episode, where his family and everyone around him all start repeating "Moe" inserted into sentences.
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' God !!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 04:49:09 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.889966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>889947
was gonna give you a long ass response and then you just summed it up with your last post.

Never mind what those bushes are, just perceive them as you wish your world to be perceived.
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' God !!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 04:50:31 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.889967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889966
*last sentence
>Cause a bush can grow spikes or flowers depending on perception basically...
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Rebecca Saffingridge - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 10:34:40 EST ID:xIRoDBAe No.889970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889964
I don't agree with you man. Ultimately this is something he has to process and interpret himself, but just because he's the one who ultimately has to walk through the door doesn't mean that we can't help him find it or even potentially outright show him where it is.

Asking others to help you understand and integrate an experience of yours, be it psychedelic or otherwise, is nothing more than utilizing a resource available to you in an effort to raise the level of your awareness by considering differing perspectives. We use psychedelics to achieve the same goal, only using a different resource.
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''we'' - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:43:00 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.889977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889957
>shadow self
>Do you even realize that is an actual term in astrology?
I did not.
Did you realize i was talking about Carl Jungs' interpretation of the shadow self? The (collective) unconsciousness.

>You sound like quite the fucking asshole tbh dude BUT
I don't see how this is helping me, but thanks.
Bear in mind i've just been coming down from 12 tabs of lsd.
>If you cant explain it simply, or shortly, then you probably cant explain it at all.
Ok now you're sounding like the asshole to me...
It's incredibly hard to describe. But i'll put it into tl;dr terms for you:

>I met the machine elves on a high dosage of LSD.
>They also stole my coat. So wether they are in my mind or not, they have the ability to actually do stuff to reality.
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''we'' - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:02:20 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.889979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889962
>I got back to normal. You'll be better off for having the EXPERIENCE, but not for continuing to experience it, that will only drive you mad. Take a long break, get to a point where you could have a normal conversation with your grandparents (just an example of someone with "typical" views of society / reality)
This is good advice in any case after any LSD or other entheogenic trip.
I used to do 1 tab of lsd, up to 20+ times. It always fucked with my head. I used to have some major mindfucks about it.
I quit lsd for years, until recently after having dosed on Psilocybin truffles, they showed me what all the psys have been trying to tell me
(psilo is similar to DMT and it triggered some ''dmt knowledge'' in the form of visuals and ''reality talking'')
So i set up on a quest of pursuit of knowledge. I've achieved quite a lot of such knowledge but i've come to a point where i realize i must be careful, i'm in some deep waters, which is why i'm asking for help.
I had both a good trip and a bad trip on DMT. And as my ''hallucinations'' grow stronger and come to manifest on physical planes, well, i'm worried about the bad stuff manifesting.
Of course, taking a break for now to indeed compartmentalize teachings and reflect/assort them in a way that's beneficial
(i feel these entities ARE trying to help me despite some scarier forms...) (it's sometimes like reality is a devil itself talking, whereas othertimes a god. but this is digression)

hmmmm..
So yes, i agree in returning to a normalized mindstate however i must incorporate the knowledge or experience into a comprehensible form.
Here's some other related stuff
>get to a point where you could have a normal conversation with your grandparents (just an example of someone with "typical" views of society / reality)

>>I've been communicating with UFOS for 7 years now, sober. I feel it's all connected.
I don't have a large social network in which i can talk about UFOS about. I do have a discord server to talk about the paranormal in.
I'd agree it shouldn't become an obsession i just know there's more to this.

>TL;DR: Don't worry and simply try not to think of the aspects which bother you, and if you are bothered, take a long break from psychs.
This is good advice. Not to worry so much. I feel the entities are trying to guide me. They didn't kill me, they did act it out though, like some weird dark ritual.
(i felt one of the shadow wielding a knife briefly, playing with the idea to see how i responded)
I've had some rest and time to reflect on the experience. I'm just most worried about the aspect of ''how far will they go''
Otherwise it was quite a cool experience.

>>889963
I see consciousness as a global/universal phenomenon. I just never thought to gain an actual sense of a previous incarnations memory.
>are you sure these entities aren't trying to say something meaningful to you?
Actually i'm quite sure they ARE saying something meaningful. I'm fairly positive that they're trying to help.
It's just a little scary, and i'm not sure how much i should or can trust them. (as much as one can trust ones own mind, right?) (and i find that scary)

>>889964
Seems valid. I get what you're saying here. It's an introspective path. However, i'm asking for help because i'm wondering if anyone has experience or advice with these entities in specific.

>>889965
I comprehend what you're saying here. I'm aware there's a multidimensional facet to all this, a sort of quantum chaos in which everyone derives great structure from.
And the chaos manifests itself as solid, physical forms. (atoms, etc)


>>889965
How would i go about ''controlling'' my perception?
Is that gonna take mindful thinking?
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Rebecca Saffingridge - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 12:05:11 EST ID:xIRoDBAe No.889981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889977
>They also stole my coat. So wether they are in my mind or not, they have the ability to actually do stuff to reality.
Only if the machine elves that stole your coat were actually just you and in the drug addled haze of the experience your mind perceived your own action as being performed by them. That or you're simply misattributing your coat winding up being lost to the machine elves because the mind is biased towards providing an explanation for everything regardless of it being the truth. Even a default explanation, however nonsensical or impossible, for an event or experience is preferential to the lack of one for the mind.

Well, really it's more that an explanation for something is inherent to its very perception in the first place. If you experience something, an explanation for having experienced is created and experienced concurrently as part of that experience on a whole.
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Ian Murdford - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 13:13:18 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.889990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>889981

It is entirely possible, when reality is imaginary, for some being to come in and steal your coat, and not actually do that, and for nothing to actually have happened at all.
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''we'' - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 18:43:37 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889990
interesting

>>889981
I am aware they have origins from within the mind.
(non duality etc)
i've come down a lot and not so much afraid as i am intrigued or mystified.
I was worried of losing control of my perceptions to evil forces, basically.
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Ian Murdford - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 18:50:51 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.890004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890002

Really it's Hermeticism and destrucity at work that allowed such a thing to happen, and you alone consented for this being to come in and steal your coat. You lost your coat man, it happens.
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Ian Murdford - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 18:52:47 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.890005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890002

Also it seems healthy to be concerned about losing control of your perceptions to evil forces, if you didn't have that concern, well then you might lose control of your perception to evil forces.
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Shit Goodfoot - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:57:46 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890005
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''we'' - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:58:58 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890005
Woah, that's deep man. Specially in context with star wars.

>>890004
I do agree. I'm just surprised at the lack of 'safety mechanism' to the universe. I'm guessing there ARE safety mechanisms to the universe
But still. Gotta be careful. It's not something that's easy to describe even.
Thanks for the advice man. I did sense from the entities themselves a sense of ''are you sure?''
In the sense that they knew it would be a scary experience but they had me in safe hands.
I found myself praying to god and when they close the door tight i did say ''please don't kill me though'' and also to leave a bit of light through the door which they did.

An interesting thing happened after the experience, they illuminated my chest, and i was aware of my astral body.
I could see light eminating like a TRON uniform which helped me see in the dark. I was surprised that there was actual light coming from a new ''impossible'' light source.
I asked them, ''where's this light coming from?''
And i thanked them for it. I realised they gave me this, because they were the ones editing reality as it is.
I should take some time to reflect on this and put it into perspective. I think they really want to help to be honest.
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Archie Pullyfidge - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 20:53:59 EST ID:IZg37qFl No.890008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890007

>They were the ones editing reality.

That's kind of trippy because my machine elves showed me through a form of theatre skit that they were the ones actively creating this reality, and that what I thought to be real was essentially illusory.

I've often heard the entities are polite and understanding.
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Barnaby Muckleville - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 20:54:49 EST ID:VQgd0ByF No.890009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890007
>I'm just surprised at the lack of 'safety mechanism' to the universe. I'm guessing there ARE safety mechanisms to the universe
What exactly do you mean, ""safety mechanism" to the universe"? Are you still on about the apparent "objective" autonomous physical existence of the beings you hallucinated during your trip and their capability of physically interacting with forms of physical matter/other manifestations of energy?

Don't get it twisted man, you're still high as a kite right now by the sounds of it. The fact these beings really exist in the sense that your perceptions of reality also really exist isn't something you should conflate with them actually becoming capable of attaining some kind of physical form or a method of interacting with the physical objects in your surroundings. The appearance of that truly being the case in no way actually makes it truly the case.

On the topic of Hermeticism and you being familiar with it already, you should already know that all truths are but half-truths. Reality may be imaginary, but it's still real. The perceptions of reality may exist with the imagination as an integral component of the mental projection of reality you ultimately experience, but it only being a component of the experience as a whole means that the content whose origins traces its roots back firmly within the realm of the imagination and the unconscious means that fundamentally it only exists on a metaphysical level within the psyche itself. Therefore, anything imagined or hallucinated is not capable of itself directly interfacing with our outward reality. To interact with the outside world reqiures acting through the medium they were came to exist within to begin with. In other words, any hallucinated entities of any kind can only ever affect the phsyical universe is by exerting their influence through you and your physical body. They aren't capable of spontaneously emerging outside of your imagination and perception unless you wind up creating them physically yourself somehow, in which case the beings you somehow wound up creating isn't actually the exact same one that was first created within your mind, but is instead one created in their image and likeness.

To further prove my point using Hermetic Principles (in particular, As Above, So Below), we ourselves are incapable of interacting outside the medium with which we have found ourselves coming to exist in and as a part of. We are only ever capable of doing anything within the medium of spacetime and the physical universe. We are restricted in how we go about changing our world, confined to acting through the physical medium of our bodies and its interaction with the forms of matter and energy immediately surrounding us to change what's around us via nigh insignificant pushes and tugs here and there that ultimately ripple outward causing change through a chain of causally linked events akin to the Butterfly Effect. If we ourselves are incapable of interacting outside the medium we find ourselves to be a mere component of, then so to it must be the case for entities that exist within the realm of perception and who originate in the imagination and unconscious mind.

Therefore, this experience of hyperspace shenanigans you've been having and the apparent truth of it somehow allowing the machine elves to physically interact with the outside world is drug addled nonsense resulting from you megadosing a psychotommimetic drug. Time to wake up nigga, you're back in Kansas again. As a matter of fact, you never actually left.
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Martha Smallman - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 23:50:49 EST ID:82H6cLTg No.890015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889979
regarding the introspectivity, i think you get what im saying, i read your story, im in a similar position to you after a megadose, as with my original post, i dont have much to tell you, however, all the best.
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Nathaniel Tillingdale - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 05:13:07 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.890019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890009

Well in all honesty, I got a special invisible pass card that I can show to mysterious strangers when I approach long abandoned mines where lights have been known to descend from the sky and strange happenings have occurred. This card allows me to enter these mines and caverns, and yet I can never, ever talk about what I found down there, ever. I mean it, if I talk about it, I'm dead.
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Alice Sangerpodging - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 06:46:04 EST ID:R9HZjBuY No.890020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890019
if what you found in the bottom of that mine was Bill Gate's herd of docile nniggard cattle, then make sure to be on the look out for any CIA niggards, they glow in the dark. what you do when you see them is is run them over.
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Nathaniel Tillingdale - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 06:59:31 EST ID:6dD6b/w3 No.890021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890020

The CIA?

Hell no, I was warned by a grey, in the very early hours of the morning. An alarm went off, and I was alerted and the letters UFO appeared in my vision to my right as if lit by fire, and then I dared not get up and look out my window, for I didn't have to, peering in a vision through blackness thicker and harder than steel was the grey, distinctively shaped face of a grey, in faded old lady clothes and a brown curly wig, channeling the darkness, it's face one of curiosity, then of suspicion, then of seeming contempt, as its hollow eyes narrowed they channelled the blackness through them and it pierced me like a shard of ice, a warning of the void and its implications.
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John Puzzlewack - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 08:06:51 EST ID:l/zKHCti No.890022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889952
This was really enlightening, thank you.
Was playing with the idea of tripping tonight but I was a little nervous and was gunna dip, but this has endowed me with sick nolij.
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Alice Sangerpodging - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 11:17:45 EST ID:R9HZjBuY No.890027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890022
I'm glad you got something out of it, because quite honestly all the major grammatical errors and typing mistakes I made from sleep deprivation made it really difficult to read and properly make sense of when I reread it just now after getting some sleep.

I'm honestly impressed you could follow what I was trying to explain given the ambiguity of language and the nature of what I was trying to explain combined with just how much I now realize I butchered properly typing it all out, lol
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''we'' - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:14:03 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890021
>An alarm went off, and I was alerted and the letters UFO appeared in my vision to my right as if lit by fire

YES THIS EFFECT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
This happened when i was told i'm in a machine. I had some awareness of some sentience outside myself looking into reality from outside the simulation.
Then alien hyperspace was revealed.



>>890015
Yes... there seems to be a lot of connectivity. I'm hoping to make sense of this all. I have a discord group, we're currently in the process of starting a wiki for actual entities and mechanisms that are more akin to ''magic'' than anything we've been able to compile in human terms as so far.
Making a science out of this magicness. We've got some progress on a few archetypes.


>>890019
I honestly beleive you man. Things will change soon.
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Jarvis Drubblewetch - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:34:11 EST ID:vYajgU20 No.890041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889947
>ITT schizophrenia to the max

Don't listen to the voices you absolutely CAN fly.
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Alice Gonningridge - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:34:30 EST ID:yeWB3C0S No.890044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890036
Youre aware that there exists more than a single "you" within your mind, right? There is the conscious you, the "i" or the self, a you that experiences events that things happen to, th "me", and there is a thirx you that exists backstage behind the stage the other two act out on, the unconscious. Youare consciously aware of the first two, bit the last one itself is responsible for forming the perceptions itself, so it is rarely ever itself capable of being sensed or perceived in any tangible sense.

Another way of describing the three is the conscious you that thinks and understands with reason and logic, the you that feels senses and experiemces things, snd the you that acts simply as a silent and invisible observer of everything, listed respectively of course.

The consciousness watching you from outside the machine was the last "you" i listed--the unconscious, the silent invisible observer that exists oitside the realm of consciousness that the first ywo yous exist within. In other words the realm of consciousnesz represents the stage here, with the unconscious observer you being backstage, as i previously mentioned.
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Alice Gonningridge - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:37:43 EST ID:yeWB3C0S No.890045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890044
Also the stage is also the machine you keep referring to
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Polly Cuzzlefore - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 03:41:49 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890041
we should all appreciate this thread because now everybody knows that high doses are no joke
don't worry OP, you will be back to normal in few months of therapy, provided you don't kill yourself sooner because of some shit you heard in your head and couldn't tell between being high and sober
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Shitting Nicklefoot - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 04:16:07 EST ID:H+v5MCFl No.890051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890050
Nigga i almost exclusively megadose when i take hallucinogens. People that react to their experience like OP or GoAcid are just dumb fucks susciptle to falling prey to their delusions even when they should know full well and likely at least knew before their experience that these are indeed delusions despite how utteely real and believable they are.

People that arent tellectually myopic and weak retards have no problem with megadoses because theyrecapable of acknowledging that a perception is drlusional despite the proundly real, powerful and utterly convincing sensation of it because they retain awareness and a grounded perspective because they know and respect both what the drug and the mind are capable of.
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Ian Pickdock - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 04:22:02 EST ID:DevEaWi1 No.890052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890051

I wouldn't call them delusions exactly..
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Doris Fanham - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 06:24:35 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890052

So really it's more like pure possibility, which is contradictory to the idea of possibility in a way.
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Doris Fanham - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 06:32:31 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890054

So therefore in this state, the "I" can only exist as some kind of opposite to this, or something lost in the mix.
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Doris Fanham - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 06:33:53 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890055

and it becomes a pure abstraction
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''we'' - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 22:39:48 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890051
Nigga the hypergalactic space alien wizards stole my coat.
This wouldn't be in a ballpark of ''recreational megadose looking at muh tracers and shiz''
This is talk about the ''subjectional delusions'' becoming a reality in itself.
Sorta like a kid with superpower hallucinating stuff into existence from some comic.
I stopped taking psys recreationally because they started to show me stuff about reality.

Again
>Nigga they stole my fucking coat.
I stayed inside throughout the whole trip, realized it was missing after coming out of the bathroom.
Question is how far can this go and another is how do i keep myself safe.
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''we'' - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 22:49:18 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890050
>we should all appreciate this thread because now everybody knows that high doses are no joke
I agree
>don't worry OP, you will be back to normal in few months of therapy,
Oh i'm not worried, i'm already pretty much back to baseline as it is already.
> provided you don't kill yourself sooner because of some shit you heard in your head and couldn't tell between being high and sober
Now this has GOT to be a joke, right?
I'd be literally more scared of an actual demon or hypergalactic entity murdering me than suicide at this rate.
That's what i came here to either warn you guys about or seek advice on.
Actual entities that edit reality. How can i be any clearer than this?
Anybody familiar with Descartes evil demon hypothesis? What if i told you the bugger is real. How would we go about such an entity?
>>890044
>Youre aware that there exists more than a single "you" within your mind, right?

Sortof. I have been becoming more and more aware of ''left brain'' ''right brain'' and the sheer possibility of actual dual consciousness within a single body.
Also i realize that consciousness is ''astral'' (i.e: everywhere, not localized)
On the other hand, i had compartmentalized consciousness to conscious mind, subconscious mind, and unconscious mind.
Also an additional category for ''external'' minds.

>Youare consciously aware of the first two, bit the last one itself is responsible for forming the perceptions itself, so it is rarely ever itself capable of being sensed or perceived in any tangible sense.
The unconscious is forming the perceptions????????
You know, due to this nature:
>so it is rarely ever itself capable of being sensed or perceived in any tangible sense.
It has been incredibly difficult for me to find out what this is. i had been struggling with understanding this for so long now. This information (assuming it is correct) is VITAL to my comprehension...
It's also something that may help me a lot with this thread too.
Interesting.
Can i gain a sense of control over the unconscious? On psys i seem to have a direct control, and also a direct control over my environment.
Sober, this lessens but there are always residual effects.

>The consciousness watching you from outside the machine was the last "you" i listed--the unconscious, the silent invisible observer that exists oitside the realm of consciousness that the first ywo yous exist within. In other words the realm of consciousnesz represents the stage here, with the unconscious observer you being backstage, as i previously mentioned.
Interesting.
Could you elaborate on this and share some wisdoms? I feel like i could learn a lot from you in 'harnessing' perceptual abilities.
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Barnaby Bibbleham - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 09:10:52 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890071
at this point I'm not sure if you are trolling or not OP, and I'm kinda worried about you

if you won't see any improvement in your mental state, I suggest seeking professional help, most of the people here unironically believe in witches, demons, dragons, chakras, telekinesis and all that shit, some of us already got through this phase and understand that it's just drugs
the moment you lose track of what is part of the trip and what isn't, shit is going downwards, as much as one can try to be open minded to different ideas, there's no fucking around with real mental problems caused by drug use, shit you can get yourself into by pursuing some "enlightment" can take months or years to repair, and you are already showing sings of multiple personality disorder (dual consciousness as you call it)

tl;dr, you been tripping balls, now you aren't, chill out with psy (and dis) for a while, in few weeks you'll be laughing at this whole situation
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Lydia Fambletere - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 09:27:58 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890080

Actually, it's not unhealthy to believe in these things, even if they are imaginary they are still in a sense real, and psychedelic trips tend to cast reality itself in an imaginary/meta light where a paper cup could be anything else. Psychedelics also reveal the mind's processes, so if these mythological beings and monsters are a part of the mind's processes, it would be useful to understand how/what they might represent. To brush it aside as part of "the trip" would be to lose so much in understanding ourselves, our history/mythology, stories, it's all about integration.
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Doris Hiffingstone - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 09:41:26 EST ID:KDvYt9Sg No.890083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890080
but why would he seek professional consultation from a doctor when he's finally seeing reality as it truly is? there's no turning your back on the kind of knowledge an experience the magnitude of OPs reveals... no going back to the reality you used to believe was real, a reality where what happened never actually had.

no, all there is now is move forward despite, no, because of knowing the truth, or death there is no in between, no compromise, no deal that can be struck, no pleading or bargaining, no method of atoning for the grave sin it is, knowing. Taking part in the ceremony of eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.


Nah but really though, quit being such a nutter already OP. You're ruining shit for yourself by taking your delusions seriously. Don't be that guy that a group of friends group-triping has to call the cops on because you've stripped butt naked and started spouting weird incomprehensible shit after picking up a buterknife and acting like you're going to dissect a frog while eyeing your own stomach and talking about how you never noticed how pretty the color of blood is, before turning your gaze up to their ball tripping asses with eyes so wide they're about to pop out of your skull with a gaze that seems like you are somehow looking right through them and you're about to do some crazy shit but they can't tell if it involves likely winding up killing yourself or you trying to kill one of them. shit's not cool man, party foul for sure.
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Lydia Fambletere - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 09:47:31 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890071

If some demon or hypergalactic entity wanted to murder you, why would it want to murder you, what are you to it? Descartes' evil demon describes perception itself as an illusion, as smoke and mirrors and trickery, red against blue, black against white and all the shades in between, a sort of endless reflection. Duality is within and without the body, and the body dissolves into its illusion. This also means there is a nemesis co-existing within us. Could this nemesis have stolen your coat, your protection, your illusory layer which in your everyday reality when worn give you the sense of being separate and individual, a filter to your nervous system which causes your nerves feed back on themselves and encase "you," rather than feeling connected with an "external" nervous system to which you really belong, in which case the coat never existed.

It could be that your nemesis, your mirrored perception, tricked you into believing you had a coat when you never did, as part of the trip all along. In a way, the nemesis in any story is always there to help the protagonist succeed, and your nemesis could merely be a reflection of danger and uncertainty you need to see in order to be certain and make it through and do what you do.
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Doris Hiffingstone - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:32:54 EST ID:KDvYt9Sg No.890088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890084
>If some demon or hypergalactic entity wanted to murder you, why would it want to murder you, what are you to it?
I think a better question is, if some demon or hypergalactic entity wanted to murder you, how even is it that you're still alive?

I think if a hypergalactic entity wanted to kill you, you'd die the moment it wanted you dead. I think if a hypergalactic entity wanted to fuck with you for its own entertainment, it would tell you or some how communicate to you the idea that i wanted to murder you. we're talking about what should obviously be, if it were real, a higher being that's capable of teleportation and traveling through various dimensions at will here.
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Lydia Fambletere - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:43:46 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890088

But furthermore, why would a "hypergalactic," whatever the hell that means, entity want to kill one individual human anyway, except metaphysically, by inducing ego death in order to commune, you would think that just physically killing someone, rather than using that someone as a resource, would be wasteful, pointless, not becoming of a "hypergalactic" being. Really what's more interesting is that a "hypergalactic" (is that even a word?) would kill you effortlessly if it wanted to, I think that related to Hermeticism and "as above so below," there's a lesson in that. Just thinking about the desire of a hypergalactic being to kill you brings this idea to the fore. OP should feel encouraged that he is not dead. What am I even talking about here?
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Barnaby Bibbleham - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:41:00 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890089
good points but it's like trying to logically explain to a person with anxiety problems that there's nothing to fear and worry about - they know it, but it doesn't help the way they think and behave
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Lydia Fambletere - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:18:37 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890100

Well if that's what you think, then that's what you think.

But understanding a concept can help, that combined with just a little space to dance yourself out of your constrictions can help you surf it brother.
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Shit Sebblestock - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 17:52:39 EST ID:OEtX9QXR No.890105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890089
I dunno, i think my reasoning about if one really wanted you dead, then you'd be dead, because it's a far safer assumption to make.

what i mean is, you keep asking why such a being would actually even want to kill a human being in the first place. youv'e even gone as far as to state that they'd likely want to induce ego death instead, and that physically killing a human being would be unbecoming of such a being, and that they;d likely see it as wasteful or something. how much are you going to project your concept of what a being from hyperspace would think and feel about things, about their values, their motivations, and the way they judge the morality of their behavior?

im not a hyperspace entity, i would never presume to have the first clue about what one thinks, feels, believes, how they perceive, etc. i'm likely not even capable of comprehending those things or comprehending how their thought processes or perceptions or the way they interact with the rest of existence works. how should any of us know why they'd want to kill an individual human being, what they'd feel about doing it morally, and what the fuck being a hyperspace being even means. how can you make such an arrogant statement as to assert what is and what isn't unbecoming of such a being without even having the first clue about just about anything about them or the nature of their existence without either feeling dishonest or woefully stuck viewing the situation coming from such a human oriented perspective?

of course, i agree with you fully on your closing statement about thinking a being from hyperspace wants to kill you. i just think that recognizing or choosing to believe that if one really did want you dead, then you would in fact be, and you indeed are not ought to be capable of bringing more comfort to someone legitimately concerned with the possibility than them trying to futilely convince themselves how absurd the idea of one wanting to kill you in the first place must obviously be despite the fact it being obvious isn't really the case (if you assume they actually exist and can physically interact with you if they wanted to).

i mean, have you ever seen any of Stark Trek: The Next Generation? The very existence of the god-like alien being Q, along with the "race", the Q Continuum, is a thought exercise on pretty much this very subject. The Q Continuum on a whole chooses not to interact with physical beings anymore because they exist in all times in all versions of reality simultaneously (or something to that effect iirc) and they've lost interest in really doing just about anything anymore because of an overwhelming belief and feeling that they've done, experienced, and learned all there is to do, experience, and learn... with the exception of the individual being Q himself, who is an extreme oddity in comparison to the entirety of the rest of the Continuum because he actually bothers to interfere with individual mortal beings. He appears in the very first episode, give it a watch honestly. Here's a link to a wiki explaining a bit more about him: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Q

Essentially he acts as a harsh critic and judge of humanity, among other lower races, and constantly threatens their survival and forces them to act in ways he deems appropriate in highly complicated, stressful situations he's pretty much the one entirely responsible for constructing in the first place, and he does it all for his entertainment and whimsy, because of the ennui and boredom inherent to existing within the Q Continuum since they are essentially gods. He commonly freezes crew members in a matter of seconds for behaving in the ways he deems wrong and sometimes will shortly after unfreeze them again afterward just because he feels like it and forces them into the situation again expecting them to act correctly from then on forward. sometimes its all toward a goal the seems like he may have genuine interest in helping humanity and other aliens grow as a species, but truthfully he doesn't really give a shit either way but because it's how he spends his time and feels they should go about acting he winds up continually reappearing creating more of the same types of situations. it's also clear from dialog that he even silently observes and is aware of their actions from episodes he wasnt ever a part of.
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:00:21 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890080
>at this point I'm not sure if you are trolling or not OP, and I'm kinda worried about you
I am OP. Look at the name field.
>if you won't see any improvement in your mental state,
Are you illiterate? In my previous post i have already explained i am back to baseline.
Also i've talked to many psychiatrists, they don't give me any answers that are useful. Also i am not psychotic and that has been confirmed by medical professionals. I'm actually wasting my money talking to people who don't beleive in aliens about the constant UFOS that i see sober.
Ever heard of the black knight sattelite? I've seen that craft up close 20 metres with my ex girflriend. That's not a ''drug trip'' son, that's reality.
I understand you're too afraid to accept the truths i'm telling you, therefore you've shunned your mind and dismissed it as ''mental illness'' from YOUR perspective.

I'm also more concerned about your apparent ignorance tbh...
Can you explain to me how a ''hallucination'' as you would call it, could literally disappear my coat from the confines of 1 medium sized appartment? I had the coat in the appartment before the trip started, and the entire trip took place indoors.
Then again, i'm sure you'd suppose i hallucinated being indoors where i may had, in reality, thrown the coat unkowingly in the dumpster, a hypothesis that i find more ridiculous than the explanation of actual hypergalactic space aliens.

> most of the people here unironically believe in witches, demons, dragons, chakras, telekinesis and all that shit,

And you're claiming NONE of that would have any truth or merit to them?
You sound like a nihilist to me, and you should be more concerned about yourself than you should be concerned about me.

I've actually been in the presence of a dragon sounding creature whilst sober. The creature was invisible, yet no less real or tangible.
In fact, you seem incredibly unschooled on the subject of psychedelics. I bet you've only just used them recreationally, and that you haven't done any research into Terrence Mckennas work on the subject.
Carl Jung, also has a stance to back me up with. I'm quite astounded that someone of your assumed intelligence would not place these occurences under Jungian archetypes that manifest as collective reality.
In fact, you seem to have little grasp to the mechanics of life in which you live.
You DO know that all life is connected, right?
Because objectivity cannot be obtained unless ALL subjective experience is validated by the SAME entity/system

To think there's nothing paranormal about life or going on in your life is deluding yourself to the point of willingly putting on a blindfold.
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:12:10 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890082
>Psychedelics also reveal the mind's processes, so if these mythological beings and monsters are a part of the mind's processes, it would be useful to understand how/what they might represent.
THIS.
This is exactly the angle i'm looking for here. The reason i started this thread, was to ask if ANYONE here knew anything more about these entities /subprocesses (archetypes)
the point i am conveying here is that they are REAL.
To quote Terrence Mckenna:
>You can meet the alien, (You) can meet the alien, Tomorrow night, if your connections are good enough. And you can meet the alien over, and over, and over, again.
>This is what you wanted? And it's being served, baby.

(real in the sense that they are also imagined, but imagined into existence. Real hallucinations.)
>Descartes' evil demon describes perception itself as an illusion, as smoke and mirrors and trickery, red against blue, black against white and all the shades in between, a sort of endless reflection.
Yes, I beleive so too. Hypothetically, the demon would be within my own mind.
But that makes it no less omnipotent, as it creates my entire reality.
And thus it comes in many forms. Humanoid, alien, shadows, etc.
Of course, its' hallucinatory nature makes it no less real. We are living out the hallucinations of the universe.
We our selves, are real fictions.
^ >>890084
>>890080
Ok to extrapolate on the dual consciousness. I'd almost want to call you the retard for this but perhaps i should have taken MORE time to explain myself here.
Everyone probably/possible has dual consciousness,
It is theorized that LEFT BRAIN and RIGHT BRAIN both have their own distinct sense of ''self''.
There has been research done in this field with subjects who had a severed corpus callosum.
The corpus callosum is the bridge that allows LEFT BRAIN and RIGHT BRAIN to communicate with eachother.
In the trials done with subjects who had no corpus callosum, it was found that LEFT BRAIN and RIGHT BRAIN
A) both had different aspirations and goals in life (one wanted to be a painter, the other a builder)
B) in some cases, LEFT BRAIN and RIGHT BRAIN spoke completely different languages from one another
(one only communicated in spanish whereas the other would respond normally to english)

So tell me, mr Doctor. How is multiple personality a disorder, if it is inherent within our own bodies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_consciousness
Oh, you'll go right to reading the counter arguments and tell yourself ''AHA, ITS BEEN DEBUNKED'' without scrutiny.
If you're smart, you'll realize it hasn't been debunked at all. People are merely grasping at straws and i can counter every counterargument that was listed on the wiki.

Tell me how much you know of the system you live in, m8. Let's see how ''sane'' you yourself are. Do you eat severed flesh like a barbarian in stupor?
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Lydia Fambletere - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:22:23 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890105

I've watched all of TNG, and I agree with you to an extent, but I was merely putting the question out there, instead of simply assuming the intentions of a hyperspace entity, but I also think that if a hyperspace entity were to interact with a human, it would be mutual, given the non-separation that exists in transpersonal experience. When you think of Q as being a non-separate entity that assumes separate form, his form itself a trick that he can alter into anything he pleases on a whim. So Q is a trickster by his very appearance and form, and his humanoid appearance to the Enterprise crew is subsequently one of a showman, charlatan, whose motives are impossible to discern at any time, which makes himself and his interference insufferable and offensive by his very nature appearing in the bridge of the Enterprise, everything he does upsetting the very structure upon which Picard and his crew and the entire Federation operates, as Q is inseparable from what is happening and neither are the crew of the Enterprise, and yet as humans they rely upon the illusion of separation to get things done and progress, and Q also is a mockery of form itself, as Q is formless and so he can only be comprehended by the Enterprise crew as a from, and this form is a nemesis to them time and time again, the form itself, and yet in their encounters lie the lessons.

Q and the Enterprise Q don't appear to get along, they cannot appear to get on, and yet they work together in harmony, as is made clear in the amazing show finale "All Good Things."

Q by his very nature is completely meta, an entity and yet non-entity, illusion, and due to his incomprehensible omnipotence and omniscience he appears to simply be gambling and yet everything works.

However earlier in your post you say "human perspective" as if implying some kind of limitation, and of course there is limitation in the identity sense, but everything we're posting here is coming from the human perspective, so you would equally off saying that I cannot presume to know the intentions of a "hypergalactic" entity.
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:40:03 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890080
Also would you go so far as to say that people who beleive in GOD should also seek ''medical attention for their alledged delusions''?
I wonder...
>>890083
Cheers!
>there's no turning your back on the kind of knowledge an experience the magnitude of OPs reveals... no going back to the reality you used to believe was real, a reality where what happened never actually had.
And now i'm actually glad i came back to this thread.... You seem to have a sense of something more going on. Wether it's in the background or foreground to you, i know not, but i'm glad you see the magnitude too.
I feel ''daunted''. Like i'm in a box that some universal box is looking into. I have a sense of some external reality just beyond the walls. As though some god could have this entire reality fall before my eyes to reveal i am standing within another illusion.
It's very strange. Very surreal. Leads me to think wether Salvador Dali had a glimpse of all this ''madness''.
I'm not crazy, it's just the things that happen seem to be crazy.
>Nah but really though, quit being such a nutter already OP
Oh... nvm. Seems like at this point i should be asking a church about this stuff rather than you guys.
Some psychedelic forum this is. Thought there'd be a lot more people here who knew of something otherwordly or something ''else''
>__>


>>890084
I know that all material is an illusion of sorts. (everyone who has smoked DMT probably knows this so i'm sceptical to peoples responses here)
Interesting hypothesis.
>I think a better question is, if some demon or hypergalactic entity wanted to murder you, how even is it that you're still alive?
I think logically, i've already assumed so much as that i'd already be dead if he wanted to murder me
Although in the bathroom i felt like i was pretty close to being shot.
I don't know how much of the actual trip i've explained here
But basically i think they were trying to help me by uploading ''physical memory'' (matter) into various forms to trigger some primal response of ''deja vu''.
I think they were probing ''did you die from someone doing, this? Do you remember the smell of blood, murder?
Is this scene familiar to you?
So these were shadows that had opened my door and come inside to perform such 'rituals'.
At one point it got too dark when i started to see red liquid so i ignited a lighted for light and turned on the movement activated light switch.
Then i saw ''him''. The gunsligner. And that scene was just very recognizable. I gained a sense of personality and resentment/almost hostility. He seemed pissed, and the washcloth representing a gun was actually seeming to move and contort to point at me.
I felt accused for some crime that i couldn't remember.

I have a very, very, very good thesis on the subject of past life recollection in combination with fungal type psychedelics.
Fungal network (mycelium) and fungal intelligence make for a basis of widespread data collection from 'decaying matter'
Everything in the universe leaves a trace.
Fungal network is connected over the world like internet.
Hypothetically, asking a fungus how one died in ones past life (which i started to do just before i saw the sheriff/gunslinger)
is probably one of the biggest shots we would have.
Due to the connectivity and arguable intelligence of the fungal kingdom.
There's data in the fungi. What if they found a way to communicate it by editing reality itself or showing layers of it.

>>890089
Loud and clear.
>Just thinking about the desire of a hypergalactic being to kill you brings this idea to the fore. OP should feel encouraged that he is not dead. What am I even talking about here?
Thankyou. This is exactly the thing i was so concerned about which was so hard for me to put into words.
Causality becomes way too strong on these trips and i can manifest pure will into a reality. On psilocybin i seem to have safety barriers in check, one time i went too far and a demon scared me sober. Instantly.
but on LSD even the thought of ''can they kill me'' becomes ''let's see'' and THAT i find a rather spooky or dangerous thing.
How do i control my perceptions? They say curiosity killed the cat, well, i'm afraid of how fast such curiosity leads to reality, specifically on psys, but even sober there are remnant effects. For example, my coat has vanished from my room without a trace and it's not the first object i've seen disappear without explanation other than paranormal.

>It could be that your nemesis, your mirrored perception, tricked you into believing you had a coat when you never did, as part of the trip all along. In a way, the nemesis in any story is always there to help the protagonist succeed, and your nemesis could merely be a reflection of danger and uncertainty you need to see in order to be certain and make it through and do what you do.
Interesting. I do have a feeling that these beings, entities or archetypes, were initially very happy and glad that i was aware of their presence, but they didn't want to freak me out by opening the door too fast. So they let shadows in, because they knew it was the only way i could get comfortable with their ''non-human'' nature. (i'm assuming they weren't human)
Otherwise, it'd have to do with their occult nature. How would i explain to myself that there are a group of 5 cloaked (i sensed they were wearing cloaks) beings letting themselves in to have a party in my bathroom?
I feel i gave them the causality to covertly announce their presence. I have a sense that the rabbit hole is deep. I guess contact with these entities on psys aren't as commonplace as i thought...
it would appear to myself that i'm a forerunner in investigating these occult working of the universe and its' forms?
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:48:39 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890100
Thankyou though. (it does help)
I mean, i had also thought it out as such by myself, but having it reflected by another person is quite the relief.
To clarify a bit:
I felt safe about the entities. I was expecting them. After 7 years of actual ufo firsthand communication, there's a point in ones life where you willingly go looking for a ''close encounter of the third kind''.
It's just that i was taken a bit out of my comfort zone is all. Yet i do have valid reasons to worry, as i could not comprehend the sensitivity of desire manifest into reality.
There's also a large degree of ''what the actual fuck'' having learned that i find it most probable and likely that i had lived a full lifetime, probably more than one, some 1000 years ago.
I was simply dead/offline for a long long time until i was born as this person. Before that, i was someone else.
Having the feeling that life itself has never been unfamiliar since birth leads one to realize one has lived before.

Oh well.

>I dunno, i think my reasoning about if one really wanted you dead, then you'd be dead, because it's a far safer assumption to make.
When i was under the impression that there was a guy pointing a gun at me i think i thought he was thinking really hard about wether or not to shoot. It's like he wanted to, but he was going to smoke the cigarette instead. I got more of the impression that he's watching me, almost waiting for me to make a mistake so he can arrest me or even shoot me if i make some horrible mistake.
I think part of him hopes he doesn't have to shoot me at all and that i grow into a well defined person with good morals.
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Barnaby Bibbleham - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:48:52 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890106
>I've actually been in the presence of a dragon sounding creature whilst sober. The creature was invisible, yet no less real or tangible.

dude get help, I'm not making fun of you or shit, but you need serious help which probably none of posters here can provide you, I'm sorry that using psy ended like that, but besides that I really have no other advice for you

also fucking hell, if this is a bait, it could have been more obvious since you brought mckenna into this
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:02:29 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890109
This is a very interesting post with some relevant links.
First of all, Q sounds like Descartes ''evil demon''.
Secondarily, a lot of his characteristics are applicable to what i've learned about the hypergalactic entities.
The entities live within the mind but are also an external reality.
Non-duality has me backed up on this, also, science, when it gets' there.
One electron universe hypothesis is sorta a nod in the right direction.

Anyway. Let's suppose an entity such as Q exists. How would we best go about it?
I've also watched TNG but haven't got to the finale yet. Star Trek is awesome. Love it for the philosophy and morals.
I mean... i'm guessing these entities are higher processes of reality that kinda combine all the manyworlds together, so naturally they have access to higher dimensions.
It'd all be hypothetical speech if they didn't actually influence external reality.

I mean, they also gave me a gift. I usually wipe my desk clean in trips and yes well after realizing they took my coat i just stared at my empty desk that i had just cleaned again (cause when they start editing reality stuff just gets altered everywhere lol)
so i'm looking at this empty clean spot on my desk and i see 2 small bits of tobacco appear seemingly from another dimension. They're telling me they have the ability to bring me gifts from another dimension i guess.

i used to have a lot of trouble with psychic stuff throughout sober life and psychedelics are the only things that seem to make sense of it all.
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:05:27 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890113
>dude get help, I'm not making fun of you or shit, but you need serious help which probably none of posters here can provide you, I'm sorry that using psy ended like that, but besides that I really have no other advice for you
Yeah, that's funny. Get help, from who? Ghostbusters? Wizards? Where do i find these people. You're funny.
I'm not going to waste my time here,
but basically that was a sober experience. You don't have 7 years of sober UFO COMMUNICATIONS without there being side effect, Johnny.

Can you read?
>i've had 7 years worth of constant UFO experiences, and have proved this to other people who have bared witness to the phenomenon. Some of them have puked at the truths i have shown them, an actual universe above their heads, full of phenomenon that contradict their worldviews. UFOS NIGGA. DO YOU COMPREHEND. ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:07:21 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890113
So you're implying that Mckenna didn't know what he was talking about or otherwise a clinically insane man?
Oh boy, you're really having a laugh. And i'm the one talking about invisible dragons.
I mean the next day i went to the same spot to investigate and saw a Hou-oh.
(a phoenix)
(and yes, it did look like the pokemon, it had a fucking crown on its head and everything)
(and no, it wasn't a duck. I used to be a professional photographer, i'm quite visually aware of my surroundings, boyo)
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Barnaby Bibbleham - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 19:23:47 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890116
dude, you are the reason psychedelics still have stigma around them
nb, get help dear schizo
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:50:15 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890117
I feel like you're intentionally being ignorant here.
>refuses to read or answer any questions
Yeah and you think i'm the schizo here?
You've offered no rebuttal or response to anything i've asked of you.
>dude, you are the reason psychedelics still have stigma around them
>So you're implying that Mckenna didn't know what he was talking about or otherwise a clinically insane man?

>nb, get help dear schizo
>Yeah, that's funny. Get help, from who? Ghostbusters? Wizards? Where do i find these people. You're funny.
>Also i've talked to many psychiatrists, they don't give me any answers that are useful. Also i am not psychotic and that has been confirmed by medical professionals. I'm actually wasting my money talking to people who don't beleive in aliens about the constant UFOS that i see sober.

Again, i'm going to ask you. Can you read?
>>i've had 7 years worth of constant UFO experiences, and have proved this to other people who have bared witness to the phenomenon. Some of them have puked at the truths i have shown them, an actual universe above their heads, full of phenomenon that contradict their worldviews. UFOS NIGGA. DO YOU COMPREHEND. ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Are you implying that every UFO witness is schizophrenic?
I can't beleive you'd be so ignorant if it wasn't willfully. I.e, i think you're playing stupid. Nobody can be THIS oblivious to ones surroundings as (You) are.
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:51:46 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890117
Some ''reading material'' for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb3NHBR1YDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbgxUamr9vk&t=3334s
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:57:45 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890009
>The fact these beings really exist in the sense that your perceptions of reality also really exist isn't something you should conflate with them actually becoming capable of attaining some kind of physical form or a method of interacting with the physical objects in your surroundings.
See, what you're not getting here, is that these beings DO manifest into tangible forms. I think you're reading over the part that they stole my coat. Or, some force as you would hermetically describe it, took my coat from this material plane (perhaps transported it to another).
The point being, these ''hallucinations'' as you would put it, have legitimately interacted with my sober and tangible day to day reality. Even days after the trip, i can still sense their presence. My house has become similar to what one would compare to 'haunted'. My surroundings sober seem to be influenced by some living force external to my inner perception/consciousness.

Anyway, i'm guessing this is just getting too complex for you to grasp. The tangibility of such an experience.
Seriously bro, you should read up on some Terrence Mckenna. I feel like you're intentionally trying to deceive me as such experiences are commonplace among psychedelic circles. It's just those that use them recreationally, and those that use them ''psychonautically'' (for investigative purposes).
I'd go as far as to say everything IS a hallucination. It's no less real. It's no less dangerous, either.
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''we'' - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:00:26 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890117
Heck, i've even had agents, or, people claiming to be agents from the state contact my persona due to some phenomenon i can't really talk about with ease.
My ordinary, sober life, has become a rabbit hole of its' own. Either you know everything about me, or you barely know a thing about me.
Only if you know everything about me, can you make a judgement on my experiences.
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Wesley Barringcocke - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 00:28:13 EST ID:0hi5RDYI No.890127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890121
honestly i cant believe people are still taking you being cracked like an egg seriously enough anymore at this point to still be getting upset about it. i enjoy a playing a good game with the posters around here myself every once in a while, and i dont know anybody who likes watching a good show, but nothing new or fun is coming out of this anymore. just the same responses back and forth.

you made it pretty obvious you were lucid and rational the other day when you made the post about having an invisible pass card that you can present to mysterious strangers when walking toward long abandoned mineshafts where there have been lights in the night sky seen from time to time and stranges happenings occur, and your special card gives you access to these cavernous mines but you cant ever talk about what you found down in their depths. seriously, not ever, or you're dead.

even if communication over the internet can be difficult, the timing of the response and what you said itself, when taking into consideration what i said in the post i made that prompted that response of yours made it almost unmistakably clear that you were you were fucking around.

come on, DON't BULLSHIT ME. take me to your mother.
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Fucking Lightville - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 04:47:09 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890127

actually that wasn't "we" that responded about the passcard.

We already have "God," "GoAcid" and "Fiend," now we have "we"
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Fucking Lightville - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 05:32:22 EST ID:+b5GoP1m No.890131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890121

yeah this happens one way or another, there is an agency, and it does deal with this phenomena, and it operates in near complete secrecy, using bluffs and disguises. It isn't an agency that has cards, suits or logos or banners or a headquarters or ranks or offices or anything though, and the agency becomes normal everyday life, and therefore it is the most effective agency there is. It is the Techno Union.

The secrecy is the key.
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Jenny Tillingspear - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 06:45:31 EST ID:bDYMg8HY No.890133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890120

>Seriously bro, you should read up on some Terrence McKenna

You uh, might consider seeing someone. Psychonaut or not, you really should know magical thinking isn't something healthy people indulge. Unless you're a scientologist or mormon or some such nonsesnse.

To be clear everyone here understands what you're saying. We are all simply trying to get you to understand you've manufactured this experience yourself and you're letting yourself believe it.
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Reuben Possleled - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 07:26:57 EST ID:K4rdM3Ch No.890134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890133

>you've manufactured this experience yourself and you're letting yourself believe it.

truth right there, but that doesn't make the experience any less real as our thought and conscious experience are inseparable, it's all about understanding it in context, why you choose to have an experience, after all, what that statement could be applied to anything in life for all we know, to anything we experience day to day, the simplest things as opposed to the most magical and outlandish. For instance you could manufacture the experience of hating a particular celebrity you keep seeing on the news over and over, simply for seeing it over and over with certain filters and tones of voice to make it seem scandalous, familiarity breeding contempt, and yet it would be a banal hatred, seemingly harmless but allowing you to drift into a fog in which you reach out and hit anything without discernment, effectively making you a sheep to be herded and possibly even putting yourself in the penal system which is according to your thinking is where you belong, although you tell yourself you don't and that an injustice has been done to you, which is part of the process by which you remain imprisoned despite outwardly appearing otherwise, to you, an illusion you maintain to keep yourself trapped by a false god/idol. So this is an experience you manufacture yourself and let yourself believe by your own will, which is outwardly poisoned by the very fact of believing that it can be outwardly poisoned by an alien intrusion beyond your control which you submit to through belief alone, and therefore absolutely everything in life becomes belief, and if you don't want to believe in a prison then you simply disbelieve, or belief in something greater which is beyond everything you see and feel, and which then infuses you with electricity with which to dance your way out of prison inspiring your inmates to boogie with you until the break of dawn.

That was very long winded, but is that kind of manufactured experience that you let yourself believe any less harmful than believing that magical entities have chosen you for a purpose or are trying to kill you? Both are potentially imprisoning, and are in a way imprisoning, but one more useful perhaps, if only as a means to an end maybe, otherwise potentially just a prettier prison but a prison nonetheless, but maybe not, so either "magical thinking," or completely dull "unmagical thinking," staring a TV screen, which is preferrable?
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Reuben Possleled - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 07:31:41 EST ID:K4rdM3Ch No.890135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890134

ILLEGAL DRUGS
ILLEGAL DRUGS
ILLEGAL DRUGS
ILLEGAL DRUGS
ILLEGAL DRUGS
ILLEGAL DRUGS
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Wesley Barringcocke - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 07:40:43 EST ID:0hi5RDYI No.890136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890133
Even though I based my assumption on a post somebody else other than "we" wrote, I honestly find it hard to believe you don't get the overwhelming sense from his post that he's fucking with everybody. He gets that we understand what he's saying and didn't happen to skip over the shit about his coat disappearing, and that everybody is just trying to get him to understand to understand he's manufactured this experience himself, and he doesn't believe it.

The fact people keep trying despite the fact he's not even trying to sound like he's in the midst of a psychotic break or delusional. He's just repeating the same shit he already said from the very beginning, like about the coat, and repeating what everybody else is responding to him with and stating back the exact thing they just told him wasn't true is in fact true, only he's not even seriously arguing back against them saying it isn't the truth, for the most part he's outright acting like he didn't even hear or get what was said even though he clearly did to be responding to it in the first place.

people over the edge or on the fringe don't jovially respond back to people who keep saying they're crazy with about how his coat is still missing and we just mustve missed that he said that and shit. People that get told they're wrong, especially about what they believe, in general respond pretty emotionally and get easily worked up, and with nutters that's more a rule than it is a fairly typical pattern of behavior. How am I really the only one that sees what's going on right now? lol fucks sake niggas, develop a sense and a feeling for/an awareness of the signs that manipulation is occurring. OP isn't even attempting to be an effective actor or hide the fact he's in all reality fine
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Reuben Possleled - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 07:44:57 EST ID:K4rdM3Ch No.890137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890136

Of course he's fine, perhaps manic, but fine, he's doing alright, however it has to be said that it doesn't matter if he's fucking with us or not, that doesn't make his story any less valid in my eyes, and yes he keeps repeating things, but that's part of what he's talking about it isn't it, read between the lines, and refer to my above posts.
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Reuben Possleled - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 07:59:42 EST ID:K4rdM3Ch No.890138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890136

I mean attempting to judge the definite intentions of a user based on your own assumptions when that is completely irrelevant makes you trolled by default.
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''we'' - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:46:57 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890133
>We are all simply trying to get you to understand you've manufactured this experience yourself and you're letting yourself believe it.
I am >completely
aware of this.
Initially this thread was made with the question in mind: is it possible for ones own hallucinations to kill oneself.
Secondarily, despite the experience being manifactured by myself, it is not less real. They stole my coat. I honestly don't know what else to explain here. Seems i'd have to find out the answers myself :')
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''we'' - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:49:23 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890137
i'm only repeating the parts that people seem to gloss over.. >__>
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''we'' - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:54:00 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890133
>You uh, might consider seeing someone. Psychonaut or not
What part of ''i've seen several psychiatrists and checked out fine'' have you skipped past ITT?
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''we'' - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 01:11:13 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890161 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890160
>See psychiatrists
>They don't 'beleive in ufos'
>Still explain how i've been communicating with ufos for 7 years
>Am explained well if you see them and someone else sees them then it's not a delusion
>I have seen the infamous ''black knight sattelite'' up 20 metres close with my (then) girlfriend. (we broke up since then)
>For 7 years i have been wondering what is inside the craft
>On 5 (weak) tabs of lsd i realized i could manifest them from my mind/everything is an illusion
>They did a portrayal of the underworld/heroes journey as a sort of comfort.
I'm dealing with strong forces in the universe.
I've reached a plateau where i have realized everything is of a hallucinatory nature. (law of attraction, quantum physics, that sort of stuff)
That doesn't even matter.
The point is, i've been seeing REAL UFO PHENOMENON for 7 years
I've been COMMUNICATING with UFOS for 7 YEARS.
And there are people in this thread doubting the legitimacy of hypergalactic beings?
Sure, you may tell it to my face that you beleive i am lying. I guess that's an otherwise honest stance
But if you accept my truth of ''i've been COMMUNICATING with UFOS for 7 years already''
Then what would be so absurd of the possible truth of ''i had contact with hypergalactic entities on 12 tabs of lsd and they also stole my coat''
?
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Martha Heffingcocke - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 06:40:15 EST ID:lTAhwc7U No.890162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890161
Well shit bro, I've been communicating with super God. That's God's boss and he told me you were full of shit and half trolling half believe yourself. He described it as you trolling yourself almost. Yup, been communicating with him ma whole life, super God, yup. Bet you didn't even know that existed? He said you threw your coat out and a hobo has it now. I guess those hobos spit roasted your ex too? Man he sure was informative
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Lillian Fissleford - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 08:36:34 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>mfw years go by and every junkie prophet talks about the same cliche bullshit in the same way and they all believe they are unique and have right

I guess you can really learn a lot from psychedelics
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Awe' God !!vVWR8L52 - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 20:42:43 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890164
not exactly the same and non as bonkers as doc that Ive seen in the last 8 years here
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''we'' - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 21:23:56 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890164
>junkie

Seriously though why are you here on this board then?
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Lydia Dummerfield - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 05:55:54 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890173
to have a good laugh at people who still can't get through delusional phase, it's similar to "heroin makes my life better" and "thanks to meth I doing great at work"
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Basil Hambleford - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 10:20:11 EST ID:dMdByfku No.890181 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890177

yes and no. psychedelics don't work like heroin or meth, they have the opposite effect, they don't fill a space for you, they leave a space for you to fill, but given that psychedelics can be used as tools in this way, and have been used therapeutically since time immemorial, and have been proven entirely efficacious in treating alcoholism, depression, addiction (not sure why I'm lumping this separately from alcoholism, but cultural norms seeping in I guess) then it would be perfectly valid to say something like "I used acid to improve my life," or something that effect, even to say "acid made my life better," although this attaches more importance to the drug alone rather than how the drug is used, and the drug alone is just that, a chemical.

so much like people saying "heroin makes my life better," you saying people are delusional who say that drugs helped them comes down to your perception and taking people at their word without taking into account the clumsiness of language, or correcting them on how better to express what they might really mean. Dismissive, closed, delusional, even.
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Jarvis Sussletan - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 12:41:20 EST ID:Izp4nu1Q No.890182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890177
>totally ignores the fact that heroin and meth have had medical uses for a long time

my you're a special kind of stupid arent you?
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Basil Hambleford - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 12:51:49 EST ID:dMdByfku No.890183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890182

yeah heroin is basically a painkiller when it comes right down to it, despite its' reputation as a street drug, and meth? well isn't that basically what adderal is?
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Lydia Dummerfield - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 13:43:44 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890182
And how many use it as painkiller? You telling me people need stuff stronger than morphine and can't just take codeine or apap?
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Basil Hambleford - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 15:11:52 EST ID:dMdByfku No.890185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890184

No, I mean morphine is used as a painkiller for severe pain. There is no need to use strong opiates for anything other than that.
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Fucking Crackleworth - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 00:45:17 EST ID:Izp4nu1Q No.890193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890184
here ill break it down for you, the person im replying to said "heroin makes my life better" is a delusion, yet there are people on death row who would say "heroin makes my life better", and "thanks to meth im doing better at work" is also valid because ADHD is a common mental issue, methamphetaminr and dexamphetamine are both prescribed for adults, one of the core diagnosis features is a chaotic lifestyle as they are unable to manage their own thoughts and impulses, so what would they say? "thanks to meth im doing great at work, life, whatever"

thats not to say that these arent abused by the wrong kinds of people, but they 'can' help people, just like acid can help certain people, and harm others.
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''we'' - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 03:01:26 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890177
So you're not interested in /psys/ or entheogens then?
I'd say look for a different board matey.
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''we'' - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 03:02:30 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890177
>to have a good laugh at people who still can't get through delusional phase, it's similar to "heroin makes my life better" and "thanks to meth I doing great at work"

Literally admits that he is a troll.
Know we know who to ignore in this thread.
Can we get back to an otherwise objective look towards these Jungian Archetypes and their ''nature''
Please?
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Eugene Bripperlock - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 10:48:21 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890195
So I have to blindly participate in some psychedelic circlejerk or else I can't talk about psy or use them, cool. I swear dude, you fit every stereotype about new drug users.
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' God !!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:49:58 EST ID:ZgfrcNMJ No.890224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890206
>about new drug users.
>new drug users
>new
He will be a shaman I can tell, but his padawanship has just begun.



Interestingly, every big shaman I have seen is kind of calmly jaded about the trip and about life in general. Not in a cynical way, but it's there. Or is it just what I want to believe?

I think the difference is that the old shaman is enlessly fascinated by it all, yet not putting much hopes in it, where as the bold shaman as our padawan here is very excited and hopeful about the trip, but that's his downfall, because he gives a fuck. I wish I was more eloquent, hopefully someone who recognizes what I'm talking about can say it in a better way. My metaphors are flawed.
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''we'' - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:54:33 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890206
No i was just assuming that the people visiting this board participate in psychedelic 'substance' consumption.
Instead, we've got you, a self proclaimed ''drug user'' calling other people on the board ''druggies''.
Wow.
Just,
wow.

>about new drug users.
I'm 27.
I started with psys when i was around 18.
Shit gets to a point where it stops being 'recreational' (although, no less enjoyable)
I'm asking here about the machine elves, and either you're intentionally withholding information
or you really just don't know what i'm talking about.

If you don't know what i'm talking about, then that's ok. I wish you luck on your journey and i'd like to ask of you to refrain from insulting my persona on somewhat 'baseless' grounds.
Baseless, in that you seem not to explain your reasons for such scrutiny, merely that you HAVE scrutiny. That you, dare i say, ARE, scrutiny. : D
(j/k)

>>890224
Idunno man, i've live quite a long life of not giving a fuck and it led me in a downward spiral.
That being said it's a constant mix of giving fucks and not giving fucks.
When or before i entered the bathroom i don't know if i cared if i would die lol
but when they got close and ''real'' well yeah i started asking or preying to God. Repeating a mantra of, i want to live/survive.

Otherwise i'm usually in a somewhat stoic state of mind.
It irks me that you say this. Why would it be my downfall in giving a fuck?
lol
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''we'' - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:56:43 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890245
Image = somewhat comparable to the bardo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo
Which is somewhat comparable to a certain form constant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_constant
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Edwin Hagglepetch - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:02:58 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890245
The fact that you are so experienced with psychedelics is the saddest part here
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' God !8NBuQ4l6uQ - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:17:01 EST ID:ZgfrcNMJ No.890274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890245
Well it's the same story every time, psychedelics are like women, they can delight you in heavenly ways, but as soon as you get needy (hopeful to extract something from them in this case) you will be disappoint in some cases that would be an extreme understatement at the same time they are always fair and redemptive probably unlike women lel
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Edward Mullyham - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:53:01 EST ID:hAWq4Twr No.890277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only thing that's real is the very moment of you being here. There is no before or later, the past is a memory and the future is a guess.

So if you trip balls and you talk to the universe, you ARE talking to the universe. When the trip is over it becomes a memory like everything else.

You can't expect a trip to make you talk to the universe. The universe might be blabbering to you the whole time but you can't hear it. Once it happens, it IS happening, there is no longer the question of when rather WHY.

You know why.
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Alice Brocklestone - Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:50:19 EST ID:a9OxzUOe No.890280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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this thread reminded me of my first drug induced psychosis.
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Molly Trotspear - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 05:53:21 EST ID:fzs6u0VQ No.890290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890262
yeah, how dare he explore various concepts an ideas!
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Frederick Chogglechut - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:47:22 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890290
it's more about stopping in honeymoon phase where you take everything you experience during the trip as some god's teachings and can't remember that it's just some drug you've taken
reminds a bit of use of drugs in ancient cultures, but damn we are in XXI century
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Hedda Drobblecheck - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:05:15 EST ID:QPuVLev3 No.890295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890292

So you think that drug use in the 21st century speaks to a more evolved mindset if it is simply dismissed as being purely recreation, just "taking drugs," as opposed to integration into society as a fundamental tool in society and mystical experience, as a weekend thing to be brushed aside.

DAMN YOU!!!

DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!
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Hedda Greenworth - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:23:59 EST ID:1crXxTv8 No.890296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890292
it's more about stopping in honeymoon phase where you take everything you experience during sobriety as some god's teachings and cant remember that ur brain still runs on drugs because ur literally made of drugs

drugs simply change thought patterning, because consciousness is heavily influenced by them, believe it or not, it is possible to come out of a trip having learnt something valuable, you just need to have a good background in reality first.

delusions are caused by the individual, rather than the drug itself.
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Frederick Chogglechut - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:22:52 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890296
>blah blah you are on drugs cause your neurotransmitters
spare me this crap, will you? it's such simplification of matters that maybe, and just maybe, 10 year olds can believe in it

>>890295
well I guess we made a lot of progress since we stopped attributing some magical properties to stuff we take for fun or for medical reasons
and we already integrated weed, alcohol, opiates and benzos as a "fundemental tool" and what good did that bring? also you just proved what I'm always saying about psychedelics, it's such "mystical experience" that everyone can buy for a couple bucks and after few hours they feel "fulfilled", "enlightened" - and that's ok, I really understand the reasons and the need to do so, but why all that gloryfying? it's just another form of escapism, but this one has more people shouting about potential benefits and why it's better than others
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Lillian Blythewill - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:46:38 EST ID:P+mwHFy3 No.890306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889947
i very much relate to some of what you've said. It's amazing how everything becomes interconnected when you're tripping.
i browsed this very board on 3 tabs (it was stupid idk why i did it) and was convinced the music i was listening to and every post was talking about me and what i was thinking in that very moment. Then everything happening started to form into different parts of this representation of the metaphysical pieces of reality. i understood the meaning of angels, jesus, god, satan, hell, heaven, purgatory, anima, animus, the psychological shadow, the ancestor spirit, genesis, everything man. Its all right there in your brain taking the shape of the place and situation you're in. and music and text were the guide lines. It's like a spiritual machine. crazy shit, i can't unsee it
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Albert Clendletere - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:58:37 EST ID:1crXxTv8 No.890309 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890305
>it's such simplification of matters
maybe because it is that simple? are you saying there is any other thing that happens other than cause and effect? if so, you're a special kind of retarded.
>dont tell me the truth id rather the bias and stigma cloud my vision!!!
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Fuck Clayridge - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 06:42:07 EST ID:QPuVLev3 No.890315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890305

You can't just "attribute magical properties" to something, any such perception, especially on psychedelics, must arise from some kind of grounding.
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:31:43 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890306
https://discord.gg/vh5yXvT

Guys i have just realised a vital error that i have made in some assumptions.
I just realized many of you probably have no conscious memory of my memory. I assumed because it is all connected to the same system (reality) then the memory of my future incarnations must be infallible.
I know however, that it must be subconsciously preserved. Conservation of mass and energy pretty much dictates it. Also it's in your DNA. So if any of this resonates with you then maybe you've actually experienced my lifetime before.

Anyway, Don't worry dude, join the discord, we're working on figuring this out. There's something very weird going on. Did you see writing spell out ''Angels and demons'' by any chance? I had this on a lot of peaks on dmt. Also, you should check this out:
https://fma.wikia.com/wiki/The_gate

>>890305
Perhaps it IS another form of escapism. But i know they are offering an ACTUAL escape. A way out of this mess. Guys, i'm going to continue dosing (on psilocybin truffles, aka the limitless drug) to help humanity evolve.
You guys want the science? Give me some time. I shall write the science.
Let's start with aperture.
On a camera, wider aperture means faster/more light is coming into the lens. This = more data.
On psys, pupils dilate, effectively achieving the same effect of wider aperture.
Now, eyes are different from pupils. Field of view (sharpness) remains the same at wider ''aperture'' of the pupil/iris. Cameras lose field of view at wider aperture.
Probably the sensor of eyes/bran is faaaaar superior to cameras.

Now. Light coming from other dimensions.
Will you see this with dilated pupils or constricted pupils?
I would say the higher aperture has the most chance.

One thing for SURE, absolute CERTAINTY, ok, with the way our 'understanding' of science works.
You are definitely seeing wavelengths that you cannot see sober.
Essentially, it is analogue to seeing 120 FPS, in a world running at 120FPS or higher, whereas sober, your vision is 60FPS.

There is also a lot of other stuff i can theorize.

>>890306
Matter is crystalline light and crystalline MEMORY. (tangible memory)
Everything, every memory, is uploaded in every texture. This is how you could read data from other layers. The layers were always there, it's just that they have been overwritten so much it looks new.
It sounds like you've become awakened, however, i've come to realize the world seems as though they are asleep, however, subconsciously, they are not. subconsciously, they KNOW, but they can't consciously pull the memories from their memory banks.
Proof that matter is crystalline memory: You write books. Books are data. Tangible data. Tangible memory.
Memories can also come in from other dimensions. Also your perception can change the light. Change the light = change matter. It is from this principle that magic can exist.
I'm going to higher plateaus. Consider this thread a taste of something ''new''. That is to say, if you haven't experienced it in a previous lifetimes that you've come to learn to forget.

I can make this coherent, but it's not gonna be any easier to comprehend :')
We're dealing with godlike forces from a mortal perspective.
Science gets us only so far to an extent, but things are gonna get to a whole nother level of weird.
i'm gonna become a legit magician. I've already managed to upload ''my'' code objectively. That is to say, objective magic (objective hallucinations) i can check off the list. I've got my proof.
The entire image of the shpongle codex changed permanently. I went to sleep/rest, the next day, the hallucination didn't revert back to normal, and my eyes are functioning because you can all see it too.
Anybody who knows the jpg of shpongle codex VI can look at it now and see it has been changed
A la, mandela effect.
Except this was one i saw happen with my own eyes. Who is doing this? Is it me? Is it reality itself?
Man. This is beyond ''normal''.
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:32:27 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890317 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890316
Ask me about the images.
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:34:09 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890274
I genuinely like this post.
Totally accurate. Completely just like women.
Are women DMT embodied? It would make a lot of fucking sense to me.
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:51:09 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890318
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:12:07 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890296
>delusions are caused by the individual, rather than the drug itself.
Let's establish one thing first before we continue.
I am not delusional.
I am merely well versed in the underlying mechanics of the universe. You may laugh at this notion, but i've thought it all out to the extremes.
We have a limited set of systematical options.
It eventually boils down to: We are all God.
Reincarnation is real/most likely, and universe stores its memories as physical objects and metaphysical/intangible ideas or/and impressions.
Science dictates repetition is more likely than eternal cessation (yolo = likely false)
Therefore some higher archy/hierarchy is not entirely illogical to conceive of.

That being said, i have literally transcended plateaus of physical material reality. It has become a subject/reality of metaphysics.
Think of being able to control the mandela effect. This is essentially what i have achieved.
>slow down, going too fast.

See the images i posted above?
Basically, these are ''before-after'' pics. I tried my best to scrub the image and restore it to what it looked like before i started tripping.
When i zoomed in, i noticed a set of human looking eyes had appeared, that was neither before nor during the trip there.
>during the entire trip i was staring at empty eyesockets whilst listening to shpongle and watching the image ''reveal hyperspace''
>i went to sleep, woke up the next day
>hyperspace is still visible in the jpg
>the hallucination was objective
>if i had gotten a camera to record this hallucination, i am certain it would have recorded it.

Guys, this is big. Groundbreaking even. You might think i'm blind or something or have alzheimers but how i wrote it is how it happened basically...
I uploaded some objective code to the server and it remained.
The hallucination manifested itself on an objective level. Therefore, it was not a hallucination.
But it was supposed to be a still image, not subject to change.

Now, it's easy for me to get into schools of thought of ''there's a huge conspiracy behind this and YOU are in on it, maybe''
but i don't know what it is. Machine elves objectively changing the code? It didn't feel like I was in control of the hallucination. It felt like this was a hallucination being controlled by an external force.
I'd almost be willing to ask if youtube is in on some conspiracy, but i'd rather not fall outside anyone elses reference point further than i already have.

My mistake was in beleiving this would be an incredibly familiar phenomenon to you all here.
I now realize that i am leading an investigation into territories relatively unknown to yous.
Otherwise mainstream science would either be all over this or covering it up.
So yes, they DO call them ''magic mushrooms'' for a reason.
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Hamilton Clembleman - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:56:42 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890320
just remember that you'll be looking at your old posts one day

also it's absolutely "unknown territory" when someone starts some drugged out rambling about god, hyperspace and machine elves, never ever happened before, you and your experiences are so special and unique
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Simon Summlebit - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:38:07 EST ID:8xd5t9jN No.890323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890320

When you experience a song accurately describing, pertaining to your experience in the moment, it is probably the result of feedback, for when the mind is turned inside out, your internal reality manifests in your external and vice versa, and you become awareness of your mental processes, so in order to try and bridge this new space the mind will create new patterns that will feed back on themselves in loops, hence someone experiencing spirals and hearing music and the song repeating "spirals, spirals, spirals."

What that says about our perception of reality and how that relates to our reality and how much it influences our reality, if our reality is at all separate from our perception, or if reality is pure perception I don't know, in which case i would cease to be "reality," and become "reality," reality becomes the song.

When you say your trip manifested something in a perceived external image in your ordinary perception of reality which came to always have been there, yes, you created something within a shared space, like p2p file sharing, or communicating using the force, or the "external force" as you put it, something intangible that causes a back-and-forth mechanism like a pong game playing with itself.
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Simon Summlebit - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:42:59 EST ID:8xd5t9jN No.890324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890322

That's so consciously generic, to accuse someone else of being generic, a cop-out instead, leaning on some half-baked notions, it is more humble to express fully one's ideas fully than lean on the wall in the corner with some mist you farted out in a crowd who like the smell. Insincere.
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:04:08 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890322
I am fully aware that i will be looking back at my own posts one day.
Wether i will have awareness after i reincarnate is something i am unaware of.
Neither am i aware of how long it is possible to maintain conscious awareness after reincarnation...
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:13:17 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890323
>When you say your trip manifested something in a perceived external image in your ordinary perception of reality which came to always have been there, yes, you created something within a shared space, like p2p file sharing, or communicating using the force, or the "external force" as you put it, something intangible that causes a back-and-forth mechanism like a pong game playing with itself.
This guy gets it. 100%.
Also, pong.
Yes. The thing about hallucinations is the barrier between client side and server side.
I seem to have broken that barrier.
What seems more bizarre after having broken such a barrier, is even conceiving of subjective/client sided hallucinations to begin with...
I mean, i would guess it's like client sided mods in a multiplayer game. That's an easy concept.
I've found a link to the server. It seems sentient, alive, and aware, and operating on the same platform as you and i.
It seems to also have some form of persistant memory. Between incarnations.
It seems to also require rest. Cessation of ideas and thoughts for some temporary state. Subconscious/unconscious memory lingers. Comparable to a hard drive.

I always thought of it this way
Brain = cpu
Consciousness = RAM memory
Universe/matter = HARD drive

Easy, right?
I mean it's not a 100% analogue system for system, but as far as MEMORY goes, i'd say it's close to accurate?
Physical objects are physical memory. Simple.

All this chatter. Seems complex, but we'd also be bored with ''nothing''. So we keep ourselves entertained, and alive.
I'm glad you caught on so well. Perhaps i should ignore the trolls or find a way to better communicate with them.
I made a mistake, i think, in assuming everybody has conscious memory of the same experience that i have.
I had assumed a margin of 0% memory loss in between reincarnations...
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Simon Summlebit - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:31:47 EST ID:8xd5t9jN No.890327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890326

>Perhaps i should ignore the trolls or find a way to better communicate with them.

or just post anyway. If you keep saying something, if it holds any truth, it will gain adherents, if not, it's like what we've been saying, feedback, if you throw a bouncy ball against a paper wall it'll just tear through the paper and slowly bounce away into a dithering fart down the hall, if you throw it at a brick wall it'll keep bouncing back indicating something solid and of strong material, and the sound will keep being heard and affect those who hear it accordingly, for those who hear it and ignore it will walk in between the wall and the ball and get hit on the head, and then they'll go "ah, I get it now, this ball bounces of the wall!"
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''we'' - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:17:34 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890327
I figured it is best to attribute this technology to some highest external power.
essentially what many call God.
If we are to become this entity in future incarnations of form, then he needs a face. Something known and familiar to humans.
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Clara Ponnerlag - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 01:00:43 EST ID:1crXxTv8 No.890331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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op i love you and wish you the best my dude

you dont need to prove anything to us, ur actions speak much louder

go forth soldier, im with you all the way.

pic related, a book, and author youd find interesting, the guy knew timothy leary very well.
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Reuben Chashhune - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:06:43 EST ID:SYTYQgKu No.890340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>889947

the only right answer is that it was all in your head. IMO with psychs you should perceive the motion of things, not so much the objects brought forth. Sounds like you're paranoid and you think there are higher beings that control the world, which after enough inspection, works systematically and automatically, with or without you (like a good machine).

The meaning of life is to live. You are in a machine. We all are. Now take a shower and go hit on a pretty girl.
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Eliza Hebblechet - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 19:28:31 EST ID:x7+99/Ts No.890344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890328
As a long time lurker I'm not suprised with the sceptisisme of /psy/, it lives up to its (bad) rep.

I've seen what you describe as the holographic nature of the universe
'To see a World in a Grain of Sand'
Once you've experienced trips like that the digital nature of the universe becomes obvious.
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''we'' - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 20:32:45 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890340
Here lemme tl;dr it for you
>Be me
>Take hero dose of lsd to meet aliens and pursue truth
>end op meeting aliens
>aliens literally stole my coat
>hallucinate to shpongle .jpg
>Go to sleep/rest
>Wake up the next morning
>The shpongle .jpg did not change back to how it was before i started the trip.

Familiar with the mandela effect?
This is like seeing it happen. The hallucination crossed over into objective reality.
Hard code was uploaded to the server, for lack of better computer esque terminology.
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''we'' - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 20:34:21 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890347 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890344
If you want to talk about it in a group who is in pursuit of magical truths
Then here is an invite to our server/community. https://discord.gg/vh5yXvT
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Shitting Fanlock - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 04:18:27 EST ID:go9g9U8F No.890352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890346

There is the distinct inverse possibility that the memory of what the shpongle.jpg was like before was actually a hallucination of omission, even an implanted memory, if you will.
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Alice Beddlechine - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 09:44:01 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.890354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890346

wait. the way you say it makes it sound really dumb, like you're making it seem like not everything you do affects the person you are.
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Doris Hadgeshit - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:45:21 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be perfectly honest, I really hate posters like this. You give psychedelic users a fucking bad name. I've done high dose acid trips too, and it might feel like all of that stuff has deep emotional meaning because you feel it in the moment, but it does not, its just a bunch of random emotional noise brought out by the increased connectivity in your brain. I wish people would enjoy psychedelics and improve themselves without getting convinced they are LIVING INSIDE A MACHINE or whatever bullshit OP is on about.
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Beatrice Sigglechag - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:36:44 EST ID:0jIHtXon No.890360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890355
t. has never done breakthrough doses of psychedelics
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Doris Hadgeshit - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:43:11 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890360
I've absolutely broken through HARD on dmt and have gotten to the point where my ego is completely dissolved and I am essentially one with everything around me on LSD as well. Guess what though, that shit isn't real
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Frederick Fanford - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:46:36 EST ID:YMd7yEJi No.890363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890361

So you make this claim, then claim that it somehow "isn't real," even though you experienced it, believing in some vague notion of "reality" as something black-and-white, that either is or isn't, and reducing entheogenic experience to some cul-de-sac you wandered down that happened to lead onto a main road.
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Doris Hadgeshit - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:34:18 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890363
it's an effect of the drug on my brain but its meaning is not worth spending so much time thinking over, these ideas you are typing out are never going to lead to any sort of higher wisdom or anything like that. What is worth thinking over are insights about your own life and actions and how you could improve yourself, that knowledge can absolutely be gained from a trip. This thread is nonsense though
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Caroline Drommerstone - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 04:14:03 EST ID:YMd7yEJi No.890368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890364

Except our fictions our inextricably linked to our self-knowledge, self improvement, what have you, and in the psychedelic experience our fiction becomes our reality, that line is perforated, and reality feels like fiction, they seem to merge, and looking into mythology, fiction through the ages, conspiracies, folklore, patterns form in it and you achieve greater understanding through it.
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:12:39 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890352
This logic can be applied to scientific methods of logging (such as in keeping a logbook)
>be scientitst
>make notations
>There is the distinct inverse possibility that ... an implanted memory, if you will.
Science: 0
Shitting Fanlock: 1
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:14:15 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890352
I would think from my point of view that there is a possibility that:
A) my brain is in a vat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
B) you are imagery creating by ''the vat''

Doesn't make it any less impossible from YOUR point of view, however.
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:20:14 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890361
>I am essentially one with everything around me on LSD as well. Guess what though, that shit isn't real
You've actually managed to re-delude yourself into thinking that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
Science has me backed up on this.
Objectivity cannot exist unless all subjective experience is unified by the same agent or system.
Ergo: we are one with everything.


>>890355
I'm assuming you did those high doses of LSD ''recreationally'' and not ''entheogenically'' or, more specifically, to ''meet aliens''.
If you knew a thing about causality you would realise that cause and effect is a universal phenomenon.
>beleive ''science''
>''science'' pretty much is on my side with the whole ''we are living in a superposition of real and ''metaphysical''
>here, read this wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave–particle_duality
>the wave function applies to all particles, basically.
>quantum physics bro.
>mfw i'm talking to leeks
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:21:55 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890364
>The implications in this thread are going over my head so i'm calling it malarky
-Doris Hadgeshit
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:32:46 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890368
You can actually see light become waves on lsd. That's what the waves are.
Viewing quantum states of light. If light was a particle, it would not flow like it does when one reaches a certain ''complete visual lucidity'' on psys/hallucinogens.
Give me the time to write out the thesises and the science behind it and i will. I am myself of a scientific mind, i was merely somewhat incoherent on the comedown of 12 tabs of (weak) lsd.
If people are this spiritually undeveloped that they truly think everything in the system is not connected (i.e ''one with everything = false) then they really have some learning to do.
How would i bring higher logic to those that don't comprehend the basics?
We live in an objective system. True objectivity requires everything to be witnessed (including thought and feeling and experience and memory) to be connected or validated by the same entity.
Unless we are to start calling others experiences, their sense of self, their memories, as fiction, then we are to accept that our experiences are all connected in a web of objectivity.
I can scientifically and logically assert that life is infinite in capacity. Essentially infinite life = true. Life comes in many forms. All forms are essentially the same entity.
We all call ourselves ''I'', therefore, ''i'' is not an individual. ''i'' is a collective.

It seems somewhat dissapointing that i would first have to build up easily legible (and in some aspects, infallibe) thesises before explaining a hero dose trip experience to the psychedelic layman..
:/
Let's get one thing very clear. ''Yolo'', however mainstream a concept, is NOT a scientific notion.
''Yolo'' = false. Unless you consider that one life an eternal transmutation between cessation (sleep) and becoming different forms (and things).
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:39:04 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave–particle_duality
>current scientific theory holds that all particles exhibit a wave nature (and vice versa).
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Alice Demmlebitch - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:46:10 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890346
>take drugs to pursue truth

Well that's where you fucked up
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Alice Demmlebitch - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 07:53:21 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890379
Jesus you're naive. Just because a photon acts as both a particle and a wave doesn't mean a drug gives your eyes the literally magic ability to perceive this. Hate to break it to you, but your brain and senses aren't an unlimited well of potential just waiting to be unleashed by the power of LSD.

People who don't understand science are infinitely less annoying than people who think they do.
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Barnaby Focklewater - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 08:53:22 EST ID:1crXxTv8 No.890384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890383
implying consciousness and the brain and body are entirely mapped out and understood, real seekers of truth are open to all possibilities, since when did doubt ever get anyone anywhere? were fucking humans, we have a unique striving for growth, it would be naive to think that consciousness would somehow limit itself, in fact, this whole discussion is foolish, you dont know anything, nor do i, yet the rules of the game are the same, you all are speaking out like you speak some ultimate truth but refuse to see the irony in that, we are working towards a bigger picture, whatever that is.
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Alice Demmlebitch - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:01:09 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890384
Being open to all possibilities is stupid because in the space of ALL possibilities, the vast majority just aren't true, plain and simple. The reasoning behind your beliefs should be proof, not "well it COULD be possible!!!". That's just an incredibly illogical, deluded approach to "truth".
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Reuben Hucklestock - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:51:11 EST ID:li3MMiSE No.890390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890385
If you don't support the search for the universe or reality or dimension in which any given position is true, can you even call yourself a scientist?
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''we'' - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:20:14 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPzJjNQaYEA
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Alice Demmlebitch - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:28:13 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890390
The difference between you and a scientist is that a scientist will observe a certain phenomena and gather evidence until he can form a solid hypothesis. Then the hypothesis is tested with experiments and if the experiments prove the hypothesis wrong, the scientist will drop it or modify it until it matches the experimental evidence. A proper scientist won't cling to his idea when lacking any evidence. Your excuse might be "well my ideas are so far out there that there isn't an experiment to test them!". There's a word for that in science, it's called unfalsifiability, and unfalsifiable theories are thrown right out the window in science since the whole scientific method relies on the experiment.

Your starting point is a proposal that comes from your deeply drugged mind, with your false assumption that these substances somehow give you knowledge and wisdom beyond the sober state, and all of your supposed "evidence" is also a product of your drugged mind. Believing your mind on drugs more than your sober mind is the very height of naivety. This is even worse than classical anecdotal evidence, it's the anecdotal evidence of someone who intoxicated themselves. And you call yourself "scientifically minded". You're delusional, an actual scientist would laugh you out of the room if he heard your understanding of the wave/particle duality as you see it on psychedelic drugs.

Let me just take a step back and quote one incredible piece of bullshit:

"I can scientifically and logically assert that life is infinite in capacity. Essentially infinite life = true" -You

What the fuck does this mean? Do you think this is how a scientist speaks? I'd like to hear if you can even explain what you mean by "infinite life" being true. Your assertion couldn't be more unclear. The Universe began around 13 billion years ago and life began around 4 billion years ago, are we even talking about the same life here? Or does your bullshit go even further to assert that "the universe is alive, man!"? You sound like every other New Age bullshitter. Using your extremely limited knowledge of actual science to further your delusion and calling yourself scientifically minded while spewing your wrong interpretation.

"True objectivity requires everything to be witnessed" -You

This one is complete bullshit too. Are you implying the same exact process happens differently when being witnessed and not being witnessed? Are you implying that consciousness is needed for the existence of the universe? Am I seeing a wrong interpretation of the "observer effect" for the fucking 10,000th time on this board? Jesus Christ you're making so little sense that I'm having a hard time choosing which parts of your post to pick apart. Scientific mind my fucking ass.
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Caroline Drommerstone - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:22:18 EST ID:YMd7yEJi No.890395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890385

>Being open to all possibilities is stupid because in the space of ALL possibilities, the vast majority just aren't true, plain and simple.

Being open to all possibilities is the only way, all routines and systems of thought, unless open to all possibilities blind us, all assumptions are what tricks us into vague drifting, into fog rather than clarity, sleepwalking rather than wide awake.
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Eliza Clebberbanks - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:58:12 EST ID:95q95+kk No.890400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890393
if this post doesn't fix OP nothing will
nb
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James Hishtire - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:01:43 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890363
you seem like the type of guy that's most likely to try to kill his friend while tripping because magic dragon told you that he's a demon, very open to suggestions

seriously guys, chill the fuck out, making stuff up to make it all seem like it's something more than just drugs can reach a point where it's hilarious and ridiculous - but I understand reasoning behind it all, I was like this few years ago when I discovered acid, looking back now I was acting kinda retarded
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Caroline Drommerstone - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 18:19:37 EST ID:YMd7yEJi No.890404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890401

It's stupid not to indulge your imagination and explore possibilities and pose with tea up on your should waving it off as futility, what you suffer from is complacency. You're possibly making the error of categorising thought, as if experience itself wasn't enough, and any thought that appears to be mere fancy can be decoded as meaning something to us, as even to wander down some backalley is to be in the cityscape.
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Sophie Serringheg - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 05:32:42 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890395
I could have worded my thoughts better. What I meant to say was, it's useless to give all possibilities the same worth. I can come up with a hundred different theories about the origin of the universe until the end of the day but how likely is it that any of them are true? Not very likely, I'm sure you'll agree. Even if I get one right, I got 99 wrong. And those theories aren't even worth a serious discussion if you have a shred of rationality in you.

All too often I see people presenting their theories about existence with no proof whatsoever and when it gets called bullshit the retort is "well it COULD be true!", just because of some infinitesimally small change that they randomly got it right. It's not that I'm not open to every possibility, but if you're making big claims you better have big explanations other than "The LSD fairies told me". Human imagination is vast and in the space of the practically infinite well of ideas it can reach, the vast majority simply won't have any objective truth to them. If humanity gave attention to every little dumb theory that had no evidence behind it we'd be nowhere.
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Sophie Serringheg - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 05:44:56 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890404
>and any thought that appears to be mere fancy can be decoded as meaning something to us

So basically what you're saying is, there is no objective truth in these experiences, you're just superimposing your own interpretation on top of something that the psychedelics show you. I'm not the guy you were replying to, but I'm sure nobody who takes psychedelics regularly has a problem indulging their imagination and exploring possibilities. The problem, however, is when you value this psychedelic-fueled imagination more than your sober mind. The potential of psychedelics to cause illusions and delusions is well documented, yet people still fall for the trick and accept their delusions as the absolute truth, no matter what the facts have to say to the contrary. And it's super easy to dismiss everyone as just not being enlightened enough to understand your pseudo-deep bullshit. nb
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Basil Purrybedge - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 07:28:05 EST ID:YMd7yEJi No.890419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890416

>The problem, however, is when you value this psychedelic-fueled imagination more than your sober mind.

I agree, but you shouldn't value it less either. To downplay psychedelic insight like it's just some weekend thing from way back and put up a barrier is to prevent that experience from fitting in and being integrated into daily life.

I find psychedelics open up possibility, but don't close the door in possibility and trap you in delusion, if you get trapped in delusion it's not the psychedelic experience, because the psychedelic experience always keeps everything suspended and provides a safe in between space, and negates fear, or at least the kind of fear of a real werewolf waiting round the corner to eat you, because the anticipation and expectation and assumption that can deceive us or keep us imprisoned isn't there, because that corner becomes curved and wavy, and see through, in shades, the line waves and warps and perception of time melts to welcome you. It's a kind of foggy cynicism I keep seeing on this board that keeps

Honestly, it seems like you're lashing out at the image of some pretentious teenage drug-obsessed burnout, which is a cloudy projection. If you have some idea of someone, an assumption, you cease to be able to critically pick apart what they are saying and read between lines. It's not actually possible to value your "psychedelic-fuelled imagination," more than your "sober mind," because they are inseparable, you're not seeing anything that isn't there in some pseudo-separate realm of escape, you're seeing thought processes and loops feeding back on themselves, and perception itself. Like if I go wandering down some alley somewhere thinking I'm a walking pinball machine and the path is playing me, I'm not going of course, I'm inseparably affecting the world around me even as I think these seemingly silly thoughts, and my life could change suddenly as a result, I could meet someone or experience something new, even though I wandering down some alley thinking some pinball is bouncing around myself as a board. You can't superimpose your own interpretation because your interpretation is part of your experience of life, again, you're not just walking around in mist, though you might think you are, in which case you are, or maybe you're not.

Also, there is the idea of the hippie burnout endlessly quoting Leary, and a tendency to view the 1960s and the hippie movement in jest, like some kind of failure, and in some ways it was if you look at how it all came down, but that was a huge deal. LSD fuelled the hippie movement, and other movements, and people were actually dropping out of their ordinary lives to somewhat futilely attempt to live off the land, themselves believing in some separate reality from the hostile backlash of the right and the war machine at the time to them, both linked but rubbing against each other, a rift with a society that was not willing or ready to integrate something seemingly new and scary like psychedelics, and automatic outcasts in the hippies. But for people to be dropping out of society in such numbers was a huge deal and caused change and upheaval, and really entirely down to LSD, and changes in music, cinema, etc, of which psychedelics were also doubtless a part. So to look at that superficially one might see a fad that came and went, but it was really so much more, and linked into everything. It didn't just die out. So you can't really downplay the power of such an experience.

Also, the very idea of illusion sort of cancels out the notion of it having been caused, as a perceptual veil to be lifted or seen through. There is never a full delusion, you can look at someone's delusion and find truth in it and a way around it, if you're not deluded you can engage with it, delusion is to simply see a wall blindly believe there's nothing on the other side. You could take someone's "pseudo-deep bullshit," and find shades of meaning in it, or subvert it, it's all down to perception, which is what psychedelics show you.
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:41:21 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890383
>Just because a photon acts as both a particle and a wave doesn't mean a drug gives your eyes the literally magic ability to perceive this.
>hurr durr what is eye dilation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mydriasis
>hurr durr what is ''superposition''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposition_principle
>hurr durr what is ''wave function'' and ''wave function collapse''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function_collapse
>hurr durr what are the interpretations/implications of quantum physics and theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics
>Schrodingers cat
>Many worlds theory
>Copenhagen interpretation
>Von Neumann-wigner interpretation (thoughts are physical)
Also you should read up on this, if you are truly unaware to your own position in ''the universe''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:47:39 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890384
This ^
>>890385
>The reasoning behind your beliefs should be proof
Dude, you haven't read through the thread, and i don't blame you.
Let me summarize this for you
>I have obtained subjective proof of a variety of my claims
>I witnessed a live action mandela effect happen
>a permanent hallucination
>a hallucination that did not reset itself after the trip
>in fact, it gained additional facets when i started investigating the image whilst sober.
>I was staring at empty eye socket before and during the entire trip
>when i woke up, there were some human looking eyes in the image.
>shpongle codex VI

>>890390
This.
>>890393
>The difference between you and a scientist is that a scientist will observe a certain phenomena and gather evidence until he can form a solid hypothesis.
This is very assumptious of you, but very well, i'll play along.
I already have obtained evidence/proof of my hypotheses.
Clearly none of you are taking this at face value and i am literally wasting my time here.
Anyway, check you on the flip side, when YOU finally 'get it'.
Science can't even prove itself out of a brain in a vat.
I'm not going to bother with the rest of this rambling.
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:52:07 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890393
Just spent a long time writing out a post that didn't go through so.
>The difference between you and a scientist is that a scientist will observe a certain phenomena and gather evidence until he can form a solid hypothesis.
Let me stop you right there.
I already have evidence/proof of my own hypotheses.
It's clear the content of this thread is going over everybodies heads
and that nothing here is being taken for face value.
I'm out.
Science can't prove itself out of a jar.
Science is a foundation, a script, a model of subscription.
If i would tell you that i am God and that i invented all science, and this were true, then what is science?
Just entertain this thought experiment even if for just 1 second.

>What the fuck does this mean? Do you think this is how a scientist speaks?
Yeah, i think i'm doing good in not responding further to this charade of ignorance.
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:53:57 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890401
I'm sorry but the thought of ''magic dragon told you that he's a demon'' seems to be coming from you and not him or i.
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:57:39 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890393
Putting so much effort into trolling.
I applaud your hatred.
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:59:39 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890393
Also great way to make this board a less welcoming place for people such as myself.
>bwt
>oh wow muh tracers and shit

>talk about machine elves
>hurr durr ur drugged up mind
>verbal diarrhea
>REEEEE
>etc.
>???
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:03:15 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890415
Look next time i'll record it and then you better wash your mouth with soap dude.
I'm not even joking.
This much faggotry at a fragmented thesis of sorts. Great work Sophie. Great work.
I'll be sure to come back here when i've recorded something worthwhile but i won't stay to chat with people like you anymore.
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Sophie Serringheg - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:19:16 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890429 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890421
>hurrr dilated pupils let me see the particle/wave duality of photons, man!!!

You're not worth my time. What a complete fucking moron
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Sophie Serringheg - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:21:49 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890421
>hurrr dilated pupils let me see the particle/wave duality of photons, man!!!

What a complete fucking moron, wow.
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Sophie Serringheg - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:25:13 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890422
>subjective proof

Oh man, there's some pure fucking gold in your posts I just gotta admit that much. If this is an elaborate comedic act you're a genius. Otherwise kys
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:56:15 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890431
isn't life one big comedic act?
That's what it seemed like on DMT....
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:57:41 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890431
Also i'm calling malarky on humanity. No way people are as stupid as they come across.
I agree this is an elaborate comedic act and you seem to be playing a part in it...
I don't know wether to applaud you or resign at your magnificence. :')
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:05:05 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890429
Wider aperture on a lens = more light at faster rate coming onto the sensor
more light = more data
Camera model only works thusfar as humans do not lose depth of field with dilated pupils.
As a photographer, this is quite remarkable in itself. Essentially boils down to more data (light) is being processed by the brain,
IF there is light flooding in from other dimensions, it becomes arguably easier to detect with dilated pupils
IF there are entities or phenomenon happening at a faster speed than we register without dilated eyes
then following the ''laws of physics of light and perception of light'' it is essentially seeing light at faster rates.
It is comparable, to seeing ''120 FPS'' instead of ''60FPS'' if we are to say this is a mechanical function.
If consciousness causes the wave function to collapse (or has the ability to) then yes it definitely can in theory/hypothetically (it should work) allow someone to see the particle wave duality. (because all particles are effected by this according to ''mainstream scientific understanding''....
I wouldn't say dilated pupils would necessarily cause this, but psychedelic substances sure could.
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Basil Purrybedge - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:24:17 EST ID:YMd7yEJi No.890437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890423

>What the fuck does this mean? Do you think this is how a scientist speaks?

Yeah this one line, implying some specific way for a scientist to appear, just smacks of ignorance. Here's the thing, even if an idea is absurd and nonsensical, the desire to then disprove such an idea leads to advancement and discovery, through discourse, rather than just brushing things off based on some assumption of character based on familiarity, if someone hadn't said the sky is a roof, then someone wouldn't have postulated that it isn't, all this namecalling and slandering and general terminology and "those dumb burnout pseudo-intellectuals" over there as these people sit in corners on armchairs gazing into another corner makes it impossible to just whatever the fuck. I don't know where I'm going with this. What's happened is that we've both this is the gay shit we talked about on the radio.

Blah blah blah whatever. Impossible to speak in this noise.
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''we'' - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:01:40 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm just going to leave this here.
https://www.sheldrake.org/research/morphic-resonance
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Beatrice Blonningstone - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:14:26 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.890443 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Doth we have a new SSDoctor?? This one seems... less mathematical. Where are my documents/?
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Sophie Serringheg - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:20:34 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890437
I just found it funny how he was trying to use big words while making no sense, don't look too deep into it my guy.
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William Buzzwater - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:48:29 EST ID:TZlNZBvB No.890445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890444

Just don't make sure you don't get blown up by a space conspiracy.
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''we'' - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:36:38 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890437


>What the fuck does this mean? Do you think this is how a scientist speaks?

Yeah this one line, implying some specific way for a scientist to appear, just smacks of ignorance
I totally agree.
All this boils down to is that i must control the narrative and leave 0% room for speculation.
Essentially i must record evidence (or proof) of my claims. This shouldn't be too problematic.
>Here's also an fyi
Albert Hofmann himself says that a chemist who is not a mystic isn't actually a chemist at all for he does not comprehend it.
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:20:39 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890368
>>890375
completely serious, people like you should not fucking take acid. You're literally talking nonsense, it's a drug man. I find people like you kind of disgusting but because others felt the same way on the drug they'll back you up. Listen man, ive seen my entire reality spiral into one fractal taking up my entire field of vision that demonstrated how everything in the universe was connected. Except heres the thing: I was on 7 hits of acid, its not real. It just isn't. Come back to these drugs when you're ready to grow or even if you just want to have a light, good time, but don't go into them thinking you'll discover the fabric of this universe. Come on guys, this is pathetic and im losing respect for this board
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:22:39 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890393
>>890393
thank god at least someone is the voice of reason. You can do these drugs, I love them, but some of you who get lost in literal delusion should not.
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Oliver Hudgechure - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:38:43 EST ID:gIcg4UHJ No.890496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890494
>i find people like you disgusting because i find what your saying delusional from my perspective
the only disgusting person here is you
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Oliver Hudgechure - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:48:21 EST ID:gIcg4UHJ No.890497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you guys need to realize that just because ur thinking about the universe and such on acid, while you may have valid thoughts, the experience isn't real, but, you can visualize all kinds of phenomena that does occur, consciousness is somewhat an illusion, and we form ourselves in entirely different ways, but yet are still more alike to eachother than different, tripping for most people is less about the actual experience and more about your personal reaction to it, I don't agree with everything OP has said, but, I see where hes coming from, he just needs to learn to better explain himself instead of relying on archetypes which is completely flawed logic to begin with, as everyone visualizes and interprets everything differently, I dont see anything wrong with him, i think he may be new to this lifestyle, and a few years down the track he will have a much better explanation of his thoughts, feelings, and ideas, because, I myself was there once, then I realized just because im tripping, doesnt make what im seeing correct, and thus, my hunger for knowledge was born

dont be so hard on op guys, were all on the same team, help him, dont put him down.. it just shows a side of your own ugliness that op never asked for, be nice, hes not hurting anyone.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 04:38:50 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890494

Need I remind you that academics with credentials, "proper scientists," have been speculating on not only the role of drugs throughout history in informing mythology/religion/ancient cultures, but on the potential of these drugs in revealing collective psyche/collective experiences people have (i.e abduction experiences), and these drugs have undergone serious study since they were discovered, and not just in therapy.

See, this is where the rift lies, between irrational complacency and rational mysticism, here's the thing, if I want to express something through fiction of sorts, I don't explain how I am doing so, and what I said was perfectly valid, fiction becomes real on acid, and reality becomes fiction, that line in perception is blurred and the filters are gone, fiction isn't some separate place you go to on a shelf, although it may appear that way, it is as much integral to society as concrete is to infrastructure, it just doesn't appear that way, to someone who puts on the air of "I'm a grown up."

Do you even know how much of a dead end it is to say "IT ISN'T REAL" even when it comes to a drug experience, oh no! You can't just reduce it to generalisations either of "projecting this" and "projecting that."
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 05:43:35 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890502

like "i'm grown up now, no more nonsense.."
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 06:13:56 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890497
you're right I am an asshole. i just feel personally threatened when people talk like that because its stuff like that makes us all look like a bunch of absolute strung out druggie losers. but you are correct, I probably shouldnt judge as much as I do, and I mostly just hate things
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 06:17:33 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890502
>>890502
honestly fuck you, I'm being real here, you're putting on the act of the ebin mystic. maybe if you used acid to look inside yourself for real truths you wouldn't have to ramble about shit that we ALL experience on high doses of acid. its what the drug does man
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 06:46:47 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890505

nothing you just said makes the least bit of sense if you break it down. What does "being real," mean? Also, why, in your case, does being real equate to being a certain way contrary to the projected image of a "strung out druggie loser." Your argument equates to, "I care about what society at large thinks about me, and am embarrassed," when society at large doesn't care, that is illusory. And if you look at history and myth/metaphor, then why are "real truths," some separate abstract thing that is more real than perceiving snakes, dragons, eyes etc. Also, in order for myth to be effective in speaking to the inner collective psyche, it has to be believed in as if it were real, which isn't the same as being taken literally, at face value. People who are cut off from collective awareness either reject myth through being unable to read the language or misread it and become trapped in delusion.

>you wouldn't have to ramble about shit that we ALL experience on high doses of acid. its what the drug does man

you have no idea as to how much what you've just stated here contradicts your own argument. honestly, what you're spewing is vague rhetoric. on the other hand, I can understand how you would feel offended by society at large having such disdain for drug users, and for fringe people anyway, but that is part of it, to explore an avenue is to automatically lead down that avenue to affect the whole, or something, I'm losing train of thought here. the shame is illusory barrier, a sort of trick on both sides that keeps integration from happening. Society is very much a fictional/pseudo construct. In fact NOTHING IS REAL. It's all a commie reflection, because someone looking in the mirror didn't realise it was a reflection and said I've got to obey this so he built a lego city to live in like the pyramids but it wasn't the same, in his bathroom, in the mirror, a yellow brick lego city. Get out of here. You're building communist lego blocks around yourself, it's vague, rather than totally obliterated, like a maze that tries to emulate the sea.

> but you are correct, I probably shouldnt judge as much as I do, and I mostly just hate things

with this statement, combined with the "aw gee shucks," apathetic attitude, you've pretty much deflated your own blustering. Don't let me ever catch you coming on here again unless you're willing to stop believing in the communist block, you communist, and I'm no McCarthyist bsytander politics. Don't get me wrong, hammer and sickle, cool flag, cool logo, but they all have cool logos, much like the Nike balloon.
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 07:36:35 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890506
you can wax poetic like a faggot all you want, shit like
>They gave me a sense of who i was before this life and how i died. Somehow my ''assumed previous killer'' was an entity sitting ''inside'' my sink.

and


> Superpositions between real and fake / doubt and certainty. Life and death.

are just not fucking rooted in the world we live in. you are losing yourselves to the drug. I don't even care to engage your argument because you're only arguing from one perspective anyway, and I can tell you're fucking 15

all of you in this thread are 15, or you're acting like it
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 07:39:56 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The reality of it is this entire thread is a defensive reaction to your failure to integrate your trip into your real life, I hope you have better luck in the future. or spiral off into the space elf dimension, whatever you want. I really hate some of you guys, so much for being balanced people
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:14:05 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890507

You know what, you're a lost fucking cause. The fact that you're arguing with what you believe to be deluded individuals on the internet contradicts your notion that you've integrated your trip into your static perception of "real life." I mean you can criticise us all you want but you don't seem to be doing very well yourself.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:18:16 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890507

>are just not fucking rooted in the world we live in

i don't know if you've noticed but the world we live in is insane. I mean clearly psys have done nothing for you if you can't recognise the absurdity and imbalance of the "real world."
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:27:23 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890508

What do you say to that, eh "comrade."
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Oliver Brookdock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:38:46 EST ID:XXvWBa8l No.890512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890510

Look, I'm sorry, but your shit is retarded. Demonstrably, objectively so. You need to check yourself before you get wrecked by yourself. There's nothing wrong with postulating, but you're clearly beginning to latch on to delusions. Our reality is permeated by magnificent order and complexity beyond our comprehension. The relativity of one to another is the precedent for a unified existence.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:10:54 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890512

You can't "latch onto delusions," if you don't subscribe to any specific model of reality. Yes, the world is permeated by order and complexity beyond our comprehension, but we're stuck seeing the reflection without realising it is a reflection, so the world looks muddy, foggy and messy, so our lives don't correspond to this, event though this is an illusion and they do.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:13:52 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890513

But there exists, if that's the right word, some kind of trick.
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Oliver Brookdock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:52:09 EST ID:XXvWBa8l No.890515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890513

Bruhski, you can't even write a single cognizant sentence. Are you tripping right now? Because that would make sense and I would understand, but if you're sober, then I really don't know what to say except you should probably stay that way for a while to ground yourself.

What's a reflection? The world doesn't look muddy or foggy to me, and I'm not lost in a mental haze.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:55:58 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890515

then you reflect that then.
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Oliver Brookdock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:01:47 EST ID:XXvWBa8l No.890517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890516

If I was reflect then was mirror?
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:15:51 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890517

Shut up. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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''we'' - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:20:43 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890494
>Seems like you only know of recreational usage of psychedelics.
>Seems like you haven't heard of entheogenic use of psychedelics
>It would appear that YOU have some education in which to partake in, if you are genuinely interested in such subjects
>Otherwise, you can always click the back button on your browser. Nobody is forcing you to speak here.
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''we'' - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:22:25 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890512
>but your shit is retarded. Demonstrably, objectively so.
Dude are you LITERALLY UNDERAGE?
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''we'' - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:25:28 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890502
This.

I think it is rather delusional way of thinking to beleive you can assert which of another man, woman, or animals experiences are true,
I think it is even more delusional to assert that anothers' experience is false, if not delusional, then perhaps naieve.
People like them read the bible and think they already know they can distinguish what is fact and what is parable.
Wise people will comprehend they know only what they have witnessed themselves.
People like ''them'' like to pretend that their box of experience is the entire reality and that nothing is beyond their knowledge..
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''we'' - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:29:24 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyway thread is effectively kill and from what i gather there's a near 50/50 divide of users on this board.
1) group of people who beleive that psychedelics offer no insight to anything in life
2) group of people who comprehend that there is more to life than mainstream media.
Take your pick, either way, i'm out of here. At this rate it seems the future is more into intellectual discussion about these substances and their connections to the paranormal.
The guy who invented LSD himself said there are connections to the paranormal and lsd
But i guess the guy who actually invented the substance wouldn't have a clue what he's talking about versus 12 year old ''420chan users'' in their mums basements with a computer.
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''we'' - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:31:43 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890523
>it seems the future is more into intellectual discussion about psys
>future
>the future*
>it seems that the future is more into intellectual discussion about psys at this rate
>not even joking. /x/ paranormal is talking about funghal intelligence. None of that is being discussed here. Seems like this truly is the junkie den of the internet....
>shame. I used to come here for the psychedelic artwork but even that has almost completely disappeared.
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''we'' - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:33:08 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890524
Four Chan.
Didn't know four chan was filtered.
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Hamilton Fanfuck - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:50:35 EST ID:ZJWH7iso No.890529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890521
why do you place so much value on experiences?
Your senses can lie to you too you know
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Oliver Brookdock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:14:17 EST ID:XXvWBa8l No.890533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890529

Christ alive, give it a couple of more years and you'll grow out of that bullshit, "nothing is real maaaan. Like, what even is existence?" phase.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:30:12 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890533

Shut up! Your senses only lie to you if you believe your senses!
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:28:17 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890533
thank you Oliver, at least there is one other adult on this website.

>>890523
that is the most retarded, drastic oversimplification you could make, and you're just fucking wrong. I use psychedelics to look inside myself and at my flaws and to grow as a person, because you are too afraid to do that, you just latch on to delusions as if some grander truth will come. I'm telling you now: there is no grand mystical truth that you will unlock some day, that is just how the drug makes you feel. The true grand mystical truths are the ones you can learn about yourself, your character and how you can become a more self-actualized person. I'm sorry, I'm correct and you are just not correct
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:44:00 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890544

You fuck.

>how you can become a more self-actualized person. I'm sorry, I'm correct and you are just not correct

trifle - cream to fruit ratio

if you want less cream and more fruit

WRONG
less cream VS more fruit, implying conflict between the cream only, versus the fruit only, as if in a trifle the two are separate, because they have different names. They are separate, but not in a trifle.

RIGHT
less cream BUT/AND more fruit - integration, ratio, understanding of trifle as a mixture of both cream and fruit, understanding of ingredients pertaining to subjective taste in an objective process.

To value one against the other is to misunderstand trifle, and the elimination of either would mean either fruit or cream, but not trifle, and therefore not conducive to making trifle.

So with that in mind, you are latching onto delusions by judging OP as doing as such, instead of being around it. Also, becoming a more self-actualised person is a fantastical meaningless abstraction only a hospital would envy, so welcome to it, and here's your room, enjoy the view I guess.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:46:58 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890544

And don't bother defining "self-actualised" person as opposed to a negative.
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:47:19 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At the end of the day, all of you latch on to these delusions because you are too scared to look inward at yourself. That's really all there is to it
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Emma Fandock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:50:23 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890545
my man did you read this post? you are insane, your entire fruit and cream shit was completely arbitrary. Go spend some time outside, any argument you make is going to be twisted into something retarded because god forbid you're wrong about something!
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:53:05 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890547

Except that when you have an experience that unlocks your innards and places them outside yourself as you are placed outside yourself in suspension, it's hard to see how you could look at it as delusion, when there is nothing to latch onto at all, unless you yourself are in denial, or never learned to read your own mind or understand how fiction and myth pertains to inner life.

Your argument is a cop out. You've failed to actually explain how we are "latching onto delusions," and instead have resorted to vague generalisations, rhetoric and namecalling, for lack of insight. That's really all there is to it.
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Hamilton Fanfuck - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:54:10 EST ID:ZJWH7iso No.890550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890533
That's not what I said at all, fuckhead.
What do you think optical illusions are? What about those tests where you get a glass of water and you think it tastes of apple because it's green, regardless of what it actually tastes of? Pilots who get disoriented and think they are flying upside down when really their vision is playing tricks on them? Why do you think witness testimonies are so low down the pecking order for court evidence?
You literally cannot trust your senses. Your brain sifts through a whole heap of information all the time and sometimes it gets it wrong. That is not AT ALL the same as saying that nothing is real, dipshit. What it does mean is that just because you thought you saw the fabric of reality fold in on itself and become a stream of pure energy, does not mean it happened; your brain got overloaded with stimulus (which is what happens when you take psychedelics), and tried its damnedest to make sense of it all.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:55:56 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890548

Oh I see, so we're going to become a trifle, are we? And in order to become a trifle, you are fruit, and I am cream, but you're just going to call me cream and call it a day and sit and be a fruit. Fruit isn't proud.
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Hamilton Seckleson - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:57:55 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890550

Except it works by removing stimulus. The stimulus you feel on psychedelics is the space between stimuli, which is superior to ordinary stimuli, and the force which binds it together.
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Jack Pickdock - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:58:05 EST ID:fKZpz4cG No.890556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lmao this schizo thread is still going strong. Never change, /psy/.
nb
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Fucking Fanwill - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:26:07 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890556
I just hope at least some guys here are trolling
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Emma Bebblegold - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:33:55 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890556
>>890558
I was starting to feel insane for a little bit, these people don't actually believe this shit do they? I used to go on /psy/ quite a lot years ago and people were very quick to call out when people start to veer into schizo delusion land

>>890549
that experience was your brain trying to figure out what the fuck just plugged into its serotonin receptor, and yes, any experience in which your innards go outward is not real. thats what LSD does, it removes the boundaries between you and everything around you. I've done it plenty of times my guy. how could you be so insane to think yes, this drug has shown me some special wisdom, I really have it all figured out now! I can't even argue against you because nothing you say makes any sense at all
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Emma Bebblegold - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:36:14 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
at the end of the fucking day, its a drug. its a beautiful wonderful drug, but the wisdom it provides you is dependent on your ability to truly look inside yourself and discover your flaws
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Hamilton Clogglespear - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 00:16:13 EST ID:IP48tiYB No.890563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, I think we can't use scientific reasoning (or the scientific method) on psychedelics. I know, I know -- I still do it every time. I think it's impossible for guys like us to change our way of experiencing the trip.

However, I'm now 30, and I really think that those trips of my early and mid twenties brought me very close to mental sickness...

>Cause a bush can grow spikes or flowers depending on perception basically...

One thing that we can be sure of, though: perception determines reality. When I was running around in a park, at night, on mushies, once, I ran into a blue spruce tree. I looked at its branches, and they appeared to me to be pointing outwards, as if casting blame, like little fat fingers casting judgement on all of us. It felt totally real, at the time, as if I'd tapped into the essence of the tree -- as if, maybe like Plato mentioned, there was indeed a realm of "forms" (things in their essential, pure states), and each tree had its own "personality".

In retrospect, this was all in my head. Is it less true? Maybe not about the tree, but I am now certainly aware of the negativity involved in judging and casting blame, outwards. An ugly state.

All this rambling verbal flotsam to say: I dig this thread, and your inquiry, but just take care not to lose your mind in the psychotic details.
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Ernest Gerringwick - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 03:11:24 EST ID:gIcg4UHJ No.890572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890561
this, the experience isnt real, but you can get logical answers from it if you have a strong grounding in reality beforehand, its a tool, like almost anything else, properly used it can achieve a lot, improperly, it can hurt people
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 04:01:24 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890563

^exactly

The perceptive experiences you have on the drugs are understanding, it's like it reveals a language of perception.
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 04:03:37 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890560

>it removes the boundaries between you and everything around you

>how could you be so insane think yes, this drug has shown me some special wisdom,

these two sentences next to each other don't add up.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:42:45 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890563
>One thing that we can be sure of, though: perception determines reality. When I was running around in a park, at night, on mushies, once, I ran into a blue spruce tree. I looked at its branches, and they appeared to me to be pointing outwards, as if casting blame, like little fat fingers casting judgement on all of us. It felt totally real, at the time, as if I'd tapped into the essence of the tree -- as if, maybe like Plato mentioned, there was indeed a realm of "forms" (things in their essential, pure states), and each tree had its own "personality".
I explicitly added the part about the ''superposition'' of the tree to see if anyone got what i meant from it.
I know exactly what you meant about them casting blame and the trees becoming animate.
I've experienced it too many times to think it wasn't real.
Like, this happens to me sober day life. I'm not talking about a lot of things here.
I did a lot of lsd in the past and also thought it was psychosis etc. Out of skepticism i entertained (without commiting to) the idea of solipsism to ascertain if it had any validity.
I saw a psychiatrist the moment i couldn't distinguish objectivity from subjectivity. They gave me no direct answer so i just naturally rejected solipsism.
In fact, my core belief is in reality itself. If people here can't explain it to me then i'm gonna have to explain it to them.

Trees are basically sentient nature gods. The spirit of Buddha lives within them. I have a clan of Four channelers and we are investigating the legitimacy of paranormal phenomenon.
I myself have had 7 years of visual communication with ufos. I can signal them to appear with a pocket lighter.
If i had a videocamera with a good ISO rating then i would have been filming them.
Instead, i have a shitty potato phone to work with and a canon 20D with a lens missing. Before anyone asks, the 20D does not have VIDEO function.
Hamilton Clogglespear, if you wish to join our commune, here is an invite. https://discord.gg/vh5yXvT
There's little to no introduction, and the topics are far out, we have yet to organize a structural and common comprehension of the archetypes and external phenomenon.
We have 3 servers. Political/scientifical, paranormal/magical, philosophical and theoretical.
I will tell you now you were not insane. (unless you were running around naked)
the mind itself is an entity of its own right. We are literally living within our minds. Are we not supposed to investigate the workings of such?
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:47:19 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890507
I am actually 27.
I am very much ''fucking rooted in the world we live in''.
I suspect you are more likely around the age of 16-18. You've just come to learn about the world you live in and your own place in it.
Either you already know all the shit i'm about to say, or you haven't a clue and you don't know what is outside of ''you''.
Either you know that reincarnation is your only salvation of this universe, or you think that life is meaningless and that everything you do has no effect to the universe.
Also, why are you even on this board? You ARE aware this is the ''psy'' board, right?


>>890510
^This.
The world we live in is insane. And there is a reason for that. That is, if you believe in such things as cause and effect. >__>

I just came back here to post this:
https://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/quantum_theory_waves/index.html
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:51:16 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890595

I agree about trees. There are in fact fake, plastic, pseudo-trees, and there are real trees. Pseudo-trees give off the appearance of being at tree, but have no roots, they are holographic illusions and have no sentience. They can appear as extensions of the human waking state. These trees are often present in parks and recreational facilities, because they give off no energy, so do not energise the surroundings. Real trees have a presence, and roots that go deep underground, and we can commune with them. In relation to you having lost your coat to a shadow entity, a friend of mine once lost a gram under a tree we were both under, and this tree was definitely alive. We could feel the energy of the tree, and there were electrical disturbances around us, and we searched for about half an hour, and couldn't find it, so I can't postulate that anything other than the tree was responsible, and the trees in the woods across from my house are very real.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:53:40 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890595
>Trees are basically sentient nature gods.
>inb4 teenager itt goes ''omg that's insane''
Ok how do your ears work....
It's a small piece of skin that acts like a drumskin which translates vibration to sound.
http://news.mit.edu/2014/algorithm-recovers-speech-from-vibrations-0804

^ look into that.
Now think about the leaves on a tree.
Thousands of biological tissues that are sensitive to [vibration]
Theoretically, the thousands of leaves on a tree can work near identically to human eardrums.
It's not very far fetched to assume that trees have a capability of perceiving sound, as sound is a vibration/wave/oscillation.

We could talk about how roots are similar to a neural network but that's a subject for another day.
If there's stuff you can't wrap your head around then i can postulate a tip: the consciousness is in the water.
(sortof) (depending on how you look at it)
I mean, roots on a plant are pretty much like wires on a machine except roots conduct water.
Your brain also conducts water.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:55:31 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890550
What do YOU think optical illusions are though?
On psys you can see straight through em. The wheels only turn because you want them to.
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Ernest Gerringwick - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:02:04 EST ID:gIcg4UHJ No.890604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
something to learn from this thread?

cognitive dissonance is everywhere and we all learn at our own pace
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:04:47 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890600
I think a lot of the time the trees are dormant. I'm not sure about psuedo-trees although i think i can grasp the concept and agree with the plasticity appearance of thing (in general, not just trees, relative on breakthroughs of dmt, commonly reported btw)
but yeah usually these trees do not seem very much living to us. Sortof like a neglect so they have nobody to show their beauty with.
I was seeing a tree do some remarkable stuff and i think they have legit actual wisdoms that they communicate through for example psilocybin induced states of mind.
I wasn't sure if other people were seeing this tree do some remarkable stuff but i could definitely hear people on ground level (i live 1 floor up) exclaiming expression and amazement for something. Anecdotal for sure, take this with a grain of salt if you wish
but i definitely think trees communicate to ''higher minds'' or people who appreciate their beauty.
There IS more to this and people rejecting some higher truth are people most scared of it.
I assume people scared of higher truth are people who generally are liars themselves or in someway lying to themself.
Why would you be opposed to absolute truth?
Is it because you have something you wish is not true?
Pic related. I've seen this craft sober, with a witness, up 20 metres close. That is true. You cannot assert that my experience is false when i am the one experiencing them, and when i have also had witnesses by my side.
I mean it's really your choice if you want humanity to live in the dark ages but you guys should realise the endgame isn't too far from here. Can't stay stupid forever. Can't ignore our crimes forever. Either we resolve it or we must be resolved ourselves.
So yes, it is your choice if you want to live in the dark ages. In the meantime, i will progress my own communications with the ufo faction which is a very real and legitimate phenomenon as much as this entire reality is a real and legitimate phenomenon.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:14:33 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890552
Not to mention the fact that psilocybin for example legitimately enhances ones perceptions.
But let's all just skim past scientific research into psys and just assert what we think should be the scientific mantra following some old Nixon era point of view.
Let's forget what Albert Hofmann had to say about LSD, it's not like his face was printed on the fucking tabs. (sarcasm)
It's not like, he MADE the actual stuff.
Let's forget about all the recent developments towards these substances
http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/11/101/20140873
^let's just ignore this article COMPLETELY.
Let's just ignore the fact that psilocybin completely enhances the brains neural network by what, 500 fold?
Let's forget about psilocybin, let's talk about modafinol, even though it is literally inferior.
I guess you guys will talk highly about modafinol, considering it's on the wikipedia website and they made the limitless movie and yknow, it says on wikipedia that it's the limitless drug even though psilocybin is literally the limitless drug.
>__>
But thanks for trolling me guys. Like really, it's the best thing ever, being treated like you are not a human being. Everyone is so fucking smug, well if you're so smug, then explain to me what the absolute truths of reality are.
Because i've asked people all across my life and they didn't have the answer
and i've done the philosophies/though experiments to the extremes. I've actually calculated the outcomes.
I know what the options are, after death. You might think yolo = true, but then again, you probably enjoy jacking off to pewdiepie whilst drinking monster energy
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:21:02 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890607

yup, many here think life is just their damn hand waving in front of their face.
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:27:48 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890607

And yeah, psilocybin is great.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 10:04:05 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890609
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Emma Bebblegold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:38:13 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890607
>>890607
you are delusional, that paper by no means justifies your schizophrenic rambling in your head and I honestly doubt you even have the education to grasp it. you're an idiot man
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Emma Bebblegold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:45:30 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890632 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890598
I'm 25, I've done LSD over 40 times since I'm 17, and I've been coming here since 2012 or 2013, with a break of a few years. You aren't grounded in reality, trees do not have the spirit of buddha in them, and you need to seek mental help. There are no options after death, but you're just so convinced that you have it all fucking figured out. You're an asshole man, and quite narcissistic in this thread, to think that LSD just bestowed upon you real life wisdom that would alter the fabric of physical reality. I hope you get stuff figured out
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Emma Bebblegold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:48:16 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the thing that blows my mind the most, is how someone who claims to be so enlightened from all that acid can demonstrate such an autistic lack of humility to think that their hallucinations just supercede all of the science and research done by humanity. the worst part is some young guy is going to see this and buy into your shit
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:49:13 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890631

>that paper by no means justifies your schizophrenic rambling in your head
>in your head
>means
>paper
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Emma Bebblegold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:51:38 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890634
>>890634
>highlighting
>random
>words
care to form an argument chucklefuck? the increased connectivity of the brain on psychedelics does not imply ANYTHING this guy has said AT ALL
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Emma Bebblegold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:52:28 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890634
but you are just SO FUCKING DESPERATE for validation that YOU ARE ENLIGHTENED
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:59:36 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890633

remember the trifle

there can't be a trifle if you keep accusing the cream. There is such a thing as freedom of speech, and if you were really smart you wouldn't belittle based on your own assumptions, and you would be able to cleverly subvert his claims, but you can't, so you put a wall up, for lack of perception. Perception is not static, but your general worldview is in a box. The fact that you're claiming to have done acid 40 times as part of your argument proves how immature YOU are. And believing these things is not harmful, and nor is preaching them, and if you think it is, and you think that "some young guy," as you put it, as if to arrogantly size yourself up by some abstract comparison, would be foolish enough to believe something foolish, then you have a sore view of humanity and the world in general that clearly hasn't been cleared and uplifted in any way by psychedelics. There are plenty of films I've seen that I didn't enjoy when I first watched them, but I rally people to burnt the reels, and if I did I'd have fucked up because having rewatched them I see that they're actually good. You see, fiction is real, it pertains to real experience, if you can't find something of use to you in what he's saying then like I said, those 40 trips haven't really done much. Your argument consists of vague assumptions and posturing and smacks of bad attitude.
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:03:07 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890633

the thing that blows my mind the most, is how someone who claims to be so enlightened from all the acid can demonstrate such an autistic lack of humility to think that their assumptions just supercede all of the science and research done by humanity. the worst part is some young guy is going to see this and buy into your shit
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:06:20 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890636

wow, that's projecting. if you could highlight what part of my post implies that. also, why are you using capital letters? I mean I'm not the one who's angry here, a wall is a wall, but unlike you, instead of angrily shouting at the wall saying that it is a bad wall for being there, I can just spray it and entertain myself.
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:09:25 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>889947
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Emma Bebblegold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:39:51 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890637
I find amazing use. like i said a million times, the acid shows me who I am and what my flaws are. but you're just going to keep arguing because I don't believe that trees are sentient lmao
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:42:39 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890641

so the acid shows you who you are? who are you then? are you sentient? what is a tree?
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:49:00 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890641
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:08:09 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890637
>>890638
>>890639
>>890640
Wow nice pics of planes dude. Dunno what you're trying to bring into the conversation with such imagery but hey.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:09:48 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890638
Also it seems genuinely naieve to assume that science encompasses every tangible experience and that without science, there is no experience...
Yet here we are.
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''we'' - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:11:42 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890637
>>890638
>>890639
Also i don't know what is going on here or who i am replying to because you seem to be quoting the other guy without using yellow text arrows.
lol.
this is just arguing semantics at this point really.
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Eugene Clugglefield - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:12:22 EST ID:ERbabtHJ No.890661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890643
Cool tree bro, you draw that yourself? Looks very sentient
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:57:48 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890661

No, drawn by J.R.R. Tolkien, who wrote of sentient trees in LOTR.
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Nell Sumblekatch - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 18:06:05 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890659

Science is a language. To say it's a definite thing or an institution is limiting, in the same that saying religion is a definite thing is to confine it to dogma, to its' titles and ranks and violence as if they alone are what religion is.
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Jarvis Wanderkerk - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 01:19:20 EST ID:gIcg4UHJ No.890673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890660
have u figured it out yet? this place is full of trolls and this is troll bait.. youd be better off going to hippy festivals where you can find like minded folk to trip with and discuss ur ideas
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Edwin Bobberdock - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 02:55:43 EST ID:ncWy+tY+ No.890674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890673

>this

most of the threads like this are very quickly derailed by people who are laughing at you, Awe'God is the main proponent of this.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 04:02:33 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890673

No, I was mirroring his post back to him to see how easy it was to apply those words to his argument.
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''we'' - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:19:35 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890664
Whilst i would normally agree with you, the laymans' usage of the word ''science'' has come to colloquially depict exactly that: a definite thing and instituation and ultimate authority on everything in existence.
Does consciousness exists? Not if SCIENCE can't prove it!

Karl Jaspers:
>Most commentators associate Jaspers with the philosophy of existentialism, in part because he draws largely upon the existentialist roots of Nietzsche and Kierkegaard, and in part because the theme of individual freedom permeates his work. In Philosophy (3 vols, 1932), Jaspers gave his view of the history of philosophy and introduced his major themes. Beginning with modern science and empiricism, Jaspers points out that as we question reality, we confront borders that an empirical (or scientific) method simply cannot transcend. At this point, the individual faces a choice: sink into despair and resignation, or take a leap of faith toward what Jaspers calls Transcendence. In making this leap, individuals confront their own limitless freedom, which Jaspers calls Existenz, and can finally experience authentic existence.
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''we'' - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:20:22 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890686
>Beginning with modern science and empiricism, Jaspers points out that as we question reality, we confront borders that an empirical (or scientific) method simply cannot transcend. At this point, the individual faces a choice: sink into despair and resignation, or take a leap of faith toward what Jaspers calls Transcendence. In making this leap, individuals confront their own limitless freedom
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:37:56 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890687

Too right, existenz is rad yo. But that doesn't mean I won't get burnt if I touch fire, it's just that that sensation is simply completely made up and imaginary.
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Basil Hicklebore - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:28:44 EST ID:lFryj6lY No.890690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890687

What good does transcendence do to anyone? What fucking good does it do someone to believe that none of this is real? That's just part of the trap. You lost already. Desire has you.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:51:50 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890690

It does a lot of good. You clearly aren't getting it. Transcendence makes no difference, as in, no - difference, rather everything works in tandem, as opposites in duality, and without taking anything completely at face value or arguing black versus white you can do, be, feel, think whatever you want and it's fine because if none of this is real none of it controls or defines you, you become indefinable, transcendent, malleable, able to mould anything as you please, you can still be a scientist but have an exit that allows you to be wrong, or like any good scientist, think outside the box by thinking that something could be anything, or mean something else, all you've shown in this post and with your incessant arguing is that you're stuck thinking one thing against another automatically, in a loop. It doesn't mean "none of this is real," but rather that reality is not real as in something rigid, in which you case you may as well just be complacent and make no advancements because if someone is wrong, and you are right, based entirely on the labels you ascribe to them and your rigid view of everything as being at face value, well then there's nothing useful in debate, because after all, rather than speculate, you've chosen to simply call someone a "summer kid," whatever the fuck that means, and claim superiority. You lost already. Desire has you.

See I can just take your statements and beat you over the head with them.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:54:44 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890690

So I mean basically you misunderstand the "nothing is real" idea, as in taking everything with a pinch of salt, as in leaving space open and not filling it with cement because it's making you feel uneasy. Get comfortable in your armchair dick, better fill those other rooms with cement, someone might steal your armchair, and NOOO, we wouldn't want that to happen, would we???
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Polly Dammercocke - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 12:53:24 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.890698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890692

I can't even make a real response to your posts. Wait until the drugs wear off before you post next time.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:03:43 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890698

Oh of course the person making sense has to be on drugs. That can be the only explanation for sanity. Drugs.
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Polly Dammercocke - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:13:20 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.890702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890700

I assume you're tripping because your posts are practically word salad, and are certainly not indicative of someone who's thinking clearly.

What is the end goal of "taking everything with a pinch of salt?" What exact meaning are you attempting to convey with that?

>you become indefinable, transcendent, malleable

What the fuck is that even supposed to mean, bro? It's this dumb kind of hippie babble that makes me unable to take you seriously.

>you can still be a scientist but have an exit that allows you to be wrong

That is what science is. It is about discerning truth from fiction. It's not about believing some bullshit just for the sake of believing it. You learn the truth by learning what is not true, by making mistakes.

Anyways, this isn't real response. I'm just bored. I don't really see a point in trying to have a discussion with you.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:14:38 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890702

Stop judging my words, you bastard!
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:16:17 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890702

You're testing my love here, slick.

Also, thinking clearly is being on drugs, not being on drugs. Don't you see???

Fiction and falsehood are not he same thing, just as delusion and illusion are not.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:25:15 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890702

Here's a point!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekIL_5VwHXY
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Phyllis Dronderridge - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 15:38:58 EST ID:YVQpjkEp No.890710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890704
>>890705
>>890706

>calls him a bastard and claims to still be acting in love
>makes seemingly contradictory statements without elaborating or explaining what exactly you mean, keeping things vague
>posts a 49 minute video about pizza gate, a seemingly unrelated topic, again without explanation.

You sound fried to absolute shit, I'd lay off of whatever it is you've been taking. The fact that you're making claims and not elaborating on them or substantiating them with anything should (hopefully) be proof to you that you're drifting into insanity a bit, mate. No judgement, it happens to us all, especially if you don't have a lot of people that you're very close to that will be honest and check you when you start acting crazy, but yeah man, take a break, take a breath. Godspeed friend.
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Jarvis Narringbury - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 16:09:47 EST ID:yDLGDCCK No.890711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890710

Why would me calling him a bastard highlight my intention when it comes to obliterating this cunt?

Word is truth, speak it. Mate I don't know what you're on about, explaining exactly what I mean is explaining exactly what I mean.
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''we'' - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:30:50 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890690
Quote me where i said ''this isn't real''.
My argument and case relies on the premise that ''this is real''.
What i am saying is it is, essentially, a hallucination of sorts. A collective hallucination even, if you will.
My argument is that essentially, we are ''true fictions''. Imagination manifest as reality. Is this NOT what thought becomes?
I think therefore i do 8^)..
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''we'' - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:36:57 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890637
I completely looked over this post. Wow dude, thanks.
I'm trying to work this out in a more condensed legible thesis and i can PROVE my arguments of ''reincarnation is absolutely inevitable''
Solipsism leads to reincarnation
Materialism leads to reincarnation (conservation of energy)
The only way around reincarnation is, not dying as long as time even exists.
This is not the proof, i'm just saying i can prove it through logic alone.

This guy totally gets it. I've been incoherent. I'd like to write up an actual thesis that people can use.
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''we'' - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:42:01 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890688
True. The experience is true, even if imagined.
If you are aware of an alien in your mind then there exists the thought of an alien in your mind. That much is a fact.


>>890698
See:
>>890700


>>890702
>What the fuck is that even supposed to mean, bro? It's this dumb
Please grow up.
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''we'' - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:52:46 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890702
>You learn the truth by learning what is not true, by making mistakes.
I actually have to respond to this because it is a somewhat dangerous way of thinking.
First of all, you do not learn truth by learning lies.
(you make the assumption that you can instinctively distinguish truth from ''not truth'')
Second of all, by making mistakes you are not doing much else other than making mistakes. There's no glory in consciously making mistakes my friend.
If you are a cannibal who thinks it is ok to kill and eat and enslave humans as a species. Or, say, if you are an
>alien
does that make the mistake of ''eating human beings and enslaving them'' valuable to you?
I really want you to think about this.
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Cornelius Nezzlepetch - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:51:29 EST ID:YVQpjkEp No.890727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890711

>explaining exactly what I mean is explaining exactly what I mean.
> x is x

dude you're making circular arguments now, you sound like you're drifting into a psychosis, like you're a mumbling homeless person on the street. I'll say it just one more time because it doesn't seem like you have malicious intent, get help, talk to someone, get lots of sleeps, stop taking whatever it is you're taking. Good luck
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Doris Drorringwater - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 23:50:58 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are there really this many fucking schizophrenics on /psy/? come the fuck on guys, I used to respect this board but this thread is word salad schizo central. All the people posting the grandiose fantasies in this thread, you really need to seek help
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Rebecca Pockstone - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 04:48:24 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890728
I'm surprised that /benz isn't like this, shit people say during long binges is even crazier, but I guess that psychedelics have bigger chances of making one think they have to share their knowledge about everythig they got from getting high
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Doris Drorringwater - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 05:42:13 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890734
Yeah i guess so. I'm pretty sure these are the type of people who would tend to believe in weird shit anyway so they just take their hallucinations as fact. I've seen plenty of crazy shit on acid but because I am sane i can take meaning from it and integrate it into my real life
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George Honeybanks - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 06:25:22 EST ID:+1imTrOu No.890738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890736

>I've seen plenty of crazy shit on acid but because I am sane i can take meaning from it and integrate it into my real life

what makes you think that's not what we're doing. We've already said time and time again, we're fictions, reality is still reality if it is in a sense fiction, we can demonstrate ourselves as fictions if we don't take any one thing as fact, like pic related;

I don't know how you could miss this time and time again in the thread. Also taking into account the idea of ourselves as fictions of a sort of, one can consider the possibility of a fiction taking on definite form and doing something definite, for reality being not what it seems to be in any particular moment or from any particular point of view, and also taking into account how myth, media, abstractions inform our everyday "real" reality as much as our physical sensations of fire burning, things being hard/soft etc.

Not only that, but time and time again people fall back on the "teenage hippie burnout who believes in ghosts village idiot," scapegoat, probably to keep the village order and make it seem like the good place to live. Move out of the damn village!

Because you saw crazy shit on acid, but you rightly interpreted it in a way that was useful and helpful to you, does not mean that it "wasn't real," if it wasn't in a SENSE real, then how could it have been in any way useful to you.

Our fictions inform our reality as much as concrete makes infrastructure, your life can be influenced by a movie or book or by superheroes as much as anything else.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

I mean if you take into account how much fiction informs our lives, either from media, or newspapers, or books, then I could easily say the world is 100% magic and 4% football.
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George Honeybanks - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 06:28:19 EST ID:+1imTrOu No.890739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890738

I mean the attitude here is like "I went to the gym and used weights to get really muscular and strong, but now that I'm muscular and strong the weights didn't do anything, they're just weights, they carry no real weight, it didn't do anything." It makes no sense.
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''we'' - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:08:17 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890736
I just came here to ask if anyone else had any otherwordly experiences but it seems you haven't seen crazy shit on acid.
I mean maybe you saw something, but perhaps it wasn't meaningful enough for you to ask about it.
>hurr durr muh fractals bro
Dude i went past that phase.
>they just take their hallucinations as fact
Dude what i am saying is what i hallucinated became fact. I could have literally recorded it.
But i guess you know EVERYTHING about psys because you took a few and had a binge and treated it like a drug and not a substance of inquiry.
Just because you questioned reality on lsd doesn't mean you questioned reality enough on lsd.
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''we'' - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:14:26 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890738
^ This
>>890739
^ also this.
People quoting ''science'' here or the ''scientific method'' haven't bothered to look it up.
How can you be so ignorant as to rely on empiricism as your argument without knowing of the concept?
Here's a few links for the people holding ''science'' as an absolute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence
>While the phrase "scientific proof" is often used in the popular media,[13] many scientists have argued that there is really no such thing. For example, Karl Popper once wrote that "In the empirical sciences, which alone can furnish us with information about the world we live in, proofs do not occur, if we mean by 'proof' an argument which establishes once and for ever the truth of a theory"
The scientific method, whilst useful, only gets us so far as to phenomenon that falls within the confines of the scientific method.
You people seem to be making the vital and fatal mistake of believing that anything that falls without the scientific method is automatically, non-existant....
That my friends is folly.
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:56:39 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890750

Really science is a substitute for pure imagination, although the two intertwine often, if allowed. It's like we don't understand that everything's just complete magic so we hide in beakers and measuring cylinders and data and charts. It's like, flying a plane has nothing to do with buttons and switches, it's about heart, but if your heart's in the buttons and switches, you can go a long way.
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Molly Dringerfield - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 12:02:20 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.890754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890752

This guy is a very elaborate troll. 10/10, this is brilliant. I could believe it 100%
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 12:13:35 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890754

Ha, you wish! You'll wish I was just a troll. What a tremendous cop-out, but that's the price we pay for legal trolling.
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Doris Drorringwater - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:13:42 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890738
>>890749
>>890752
people who have lost touch with reality
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:17:15 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890763

YES!

THAT'S IT!

WE'VE LOST TOUCH WITH REALITY!

Brilliant! Finally someone fucking gets it. What a fucking moron.

I mean reality doesn't touch me, does it? So why should I touch it?
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' God !!vVWR8L52 - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:17:57 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890763
count me in then. Interestingly enough my life is a lot more natural, in the flow and enjoyable than for most of the so called ordinary "face reality" kind of people.

But then again I'm a wizard and will probably use magic for the rest of my life, that makes me a bit of an outcast... for now. Diff folks diff strokes. You do you I'll do me.
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Doris Drorringwater - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:26:35 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890738
>>890738
I have seen everything fold in on itself, i have communicated with entities, I have seen so many things. And each time, knowing in the moment that it was an effect of the drug, I would look at these experiences, and try to understand what they mean at a psychological level. For example, in one hallucination the walls were closing in on me until they collapsed into fractals. was this really happening? no. But, it was a good illustration of my psyche feeling trapped and threatened in my current environment, and I came to the conclusion that hallucination was a projection of my discomfort with my roommate and that I need to find a new place to live. and just like that I had acknowledged this great source of tension that was causing these hallucinations, and I felt like I understood so much more about myself. What I didnt fucking do, was get convinced that the walls were collapsing because of space elves you dick
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:03:38 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890767

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING!

LEARN TO READ YOU PRICKFANNY!

You can't be this fucking dense. What you're trying to illustrate is the very thing we've been trying to illustrate all along, but because you're too dense to pick up on that, through like of reading comprehension skills, you've cited an example that's supposed to offer an alternative, and it just fails. Why fractals? If what you were experiencing was a result of your stifling environment, why would it burst into fractals?? What, were you stifled mathematically??? Fractals speaks to some kind of precise, mathematical perspective, nothing about your fucking environment being uncomfy.

Claiming that this was some woolly psychological hallucination is as stupid as claiming it was space elves. What, so the fractals represented how mathematically walled in you were in repeating patterns. You fucking dick. Fractals are so common to psychedelic experience, why would they imply something personal to you. And the walls closed in? Yes, perceptual distortion. You took this mind bending drug to realise you needed a new place to live and that things just weren't working out with your roommate. Well it's possible. Maybe it was trying to tell you that you were actually fine where you were, and the fractal firework room you were in was actually quite spacious and open, and that it was your perception of it being stifling that was at fault. You weren't having your perception of reality turned inside out so you could finally move house, you idiot.

In fact, what's even more baffling than any idea of space elves, is why would this even happen to you? Why does thinking you might like to move out and find a new place mean you understand so much more about yourself? Why would you take LSD to realise this? You're telling me that one of the weirdest drugs known to man, discovered in 1943, researched endlessly as a mind control agent and psychiatric drug, which became the sacrament of religions, and spawned a movement of hundreds of thousands of people to drop out of their lives and pursue peace and harmony, influenced the computer age in innumerable ways, found its way to you and gave you a transcendent experience to tell you to move out because there's fractals and other apartments at good rates out there in yonder yo.

In fact please highlight which part of my post pertains to space elves affecting reality. If a taking a drug causes you to turn inside out and realise you're dissatisfied with your living conditions by showing you walls closing in on you and bursting into fractals, well then anything's possible, even space elves telling you these things. I mean if a space elf told me my room was untidy and needed cleaning, I'd probably actually be more inclined to believe it than an acid trip.
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Doris Drorringwater - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:22:00 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890772
>You weren't having your perception of reality turned inside out so you could finally move house, you idiot
for someone apparently so open minded you really seem to have this all figured out, sacred trip master. No fuck you, I think I know what I am feeling and why better than you do
>bitching about space elves
I know you didn't mention it but all the shit you and the other guy are going on about are equally insane
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Edwin Turveyridge - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:32:10 EST ID:aLqkFqxz No.890775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890763

Some of these people are clowns. I don't understand what point is being made when someone talks about transcendence and being unable to know the truth. The truth about what? Ultimate reality? God? The source, or end of the universe? So what? That doesn't mean we can't come to fully well understand various facets of our immediate reality. We actually know quite a fucking bit about the universe.
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:33:48 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890773

>No fuck you, I think I know what I am feeling and why better than you do

Oh you know what you're feeling? Well good for you.
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:36:18 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890775

>understand various facets of our immediate reality
>various facets

well you're almost barely onto something that makes all of our points valid, but your hand is still waving in front of your face.
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:38:44 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890775

Also, we're not talking about being unable to know the truth, we're talking about the truth being possibly not something fixed in front of you like your hand in front of your face, but many hands molesting you! Ohhh, god!
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 16:40:57 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890778

Right, here's a flat slab, okay? It's in a rocky terrain, but completely flat, and it's standing up so all the apes can see it. They all touch it. They're all touching the same thing, and feeling the same thing, but it's just a completely flat surface, so what exactly is it supposed to signify, or mean to them? Nothing. And yet one of them ends up making a tool later. How can you break shit up with bones because you felt a wall?
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Doris Drorringwater - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 17:00:57 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890778
>>890779
fucking what lol
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Ian Geckleway - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 17:25:53 EST ID:bDYMg8HY No.890781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890779
You cooked your nugget mang. That made absolutely no sense.
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Graham Sosslewut - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 17:55:20 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890781

Oh you bastard.
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Edwin Turveyridge - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:57:34 EST ID:aLqkFqxz No.890785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890778

But the truth is fixed in front of us. It's literally right there in front of us, always, forever, from the time we are born until the time our consciousness ceases to exist. Just because we may not have a complete picture does not mean we don't understand certain things rather astutely.

As a species we know quite a bit.
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Phineas Simmerstock - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 23:52:57 EST ID:rmYHmRBd No.890793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890711
> Word is truth, speak it.
> Stop judging my words
Hm…
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Lillian Suddlebanks - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 02:45:08 EST ID:YlRj5t35 No.890799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890750
I can just picture you in my head.
> nerd
> spent his youth fantasising about winning a Nobel or something to that extent
> got invested into the fantasy so much, he's deluded himself into thinking that he's really smart and knowledgable
> start seriously believing in stupid nonsense
> cognitive dissonance ensues from the disparity between ambition and actual ability
> must study to justify self-image
> but studying's hard, so fuck that
> what's the next best thing?
> oh, right, name dropping science-related stuff
> proceed to browse Wikipedia for the next few years, reading about concepts he doesn't understand and the achievements of people with whom he has no right to compare himself
> somewhere around this time schizophrenia properly manifests, drives cognitive dissonance into overdrive
> start seriously believing in yet more stupid nonsense
> still no actual knowledge or ability present, yet ambition grew into an unmanageable monster
> by this point he believes himself to be a great scientist, yet lacking in any real education, he doesn't have a coherent paradigm, and so the entirety of his world view is just a random mishmash of contradictory excerpts from Wikipedia articles; [cognitive dissonance intensifies]
> but if he's such a great mind, then nothing that he believes in is untrue
> therefore, all the random shit he's read about is true and science is wrong whenever it disagrees
> but he's still a scientist, see, so science isn't wrong in concept, only in methodology; he's going to prove that all the idiotic shit he believes in is not only true, but nearly ties together into a proper Theory of All, and he's going to discover a new method of doing science as well to do that; achieving either would make him the greatest scientist of all, and doing both will make him get worshipped like a true hero, exactly as he deserves
> masturbate to that thought a whole lot
> either incidentally or after reading something about it on the internet, start doing acid
> with his condition having utterly annihilated his ability to distinguish between truth and profound-sounding nonsense, get impressed with everything he sees on acid
> start seriously believing in yet more stupid nonsense
> by this point it's been at least half of his conscious life, still nothing to show for his aspirations
> cognitive dissonance utterly breaks his mind; had this happened earlier, he'd have reformed and became a proper person, maybe by this point he'd even have managed to get a degree in science or whatever, but he's got all of his eggs into this imaginary basket, so the ride will never stop
> desperate for any kind of recognition of his ego at all, start a schizo thread on /psy/ and annoy the fuck out of locals
> keep the thread up for three weeks, flinging shit at bored posters
> …
It's sad, really.
It's never too late to get better, op. Seek help. You might get your Nobel yet. Although not in at least two decades from where your actual scientific ability lies right now, but it's something, eh, as opposed to your current path.
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' God !!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 02:58:48 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890728
I actually think more people are starting to understand this topic (which we discuss many times every year) as opposed to a few years ago. The word salad is actually pretty skim if you put a little bit of effort to understand what is being said. It's just a style of writing, a bit harder to understand but if you already know the things that are being said it's quite easy to recognize.

I'll just put out an idea that may help some folks here figure it out a bit more effortlessly.

>Any experience is as valid as any other experience.
>What is objective is determined by perspective.
>It follows that the big debate here is about how do we use the consensus reality in pragmatic terms.

Consensus is great because it allows us to play together, to have a common ground to communicate and have the fun of life together, but saying that the consensus is be all end all is a trap that will eventually suck the fun and the creativity out of your life. Oh and if you ask why I don't start flying when I go outside for a stroll, is because I have many intentions coming into this experience which I am not aware as the fraction of a second moment that I usually am, but my higher self which manifests my reality is aware of those intentions and what is the best path to fullfill those and apparently it's usually not breaking the laws of physics left and right. The nigga is trying to preserve the fun. At least try to understand this if your immediate response is that I am fried.

tl;dr facing reality is a fucking shitty lifestyle, but following your dao is inclusive of playing along with others in harmony (which is why we need the consensus) and if it wasn't you wouldn't be in this human world in the first place.
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Lillian Suddlebanks - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 03:02:43 EST ID:YlRj5t35 No.890801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890800
> What is objective is determined by perspective.
Mate…
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Wesley Fanham - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 03:12:27 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890799
yeah I agree, I don't think his relationship with all of this is healthy at all

>>890800
I do not agree with your yellowtext at all and furthermore
> saying that the consensus is be all end all is a trap that will eventually suck the fun and the creativity out of your life
like much of your post this doesn't really make sense but living according to reality can be quite fun and creative, you just don't think so.
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George Greengold - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 03:59:33 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890799
Fuck man, I had a guy exactly like this back in high school, but he was more of a opi and benz guy than just psy
Wonder if he's still alive
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 04:27:37 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890799

Wow, you came up with all of that without actually understanding a thing we've been talking about. Are you actually trying to make a diagnosis of schizophrenia? You understand how much a leap that is? And everything you're saying. All a projection, because you failed to understand how you can imagine having your coat stolen by an entity in the same way you can get burnt if you put your finger on a candle, it's all imaginary, if you're a rational human being who has a job and a steady lifestyle and a grounded worldview, well then you're just completely imaginary. You don't exist. You figure out how to exist by breaking those rules, you become imaginary, rather than just imaginary.
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' God !!Bwteoy2D - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:27:14 EST ID:waevGkyR No.890832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890801
If the object is me, my experience of me is the objective reality and your experience of me is the subjective reality, but if the object is your experience of me then your experience of me is the objective reality. Do you see how this works?
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' God !!Bwteoy2D - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:33:38 EST ID:waevGkyR No.890834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890802
Basing all your experience (which isn't really possible anyway) on observing and dabling with what already is is the other polar end of creativity and invention. And i could tell you all two by two but at the end of the day i bee eating balls and you be eating grass you [email protected] Fuck this guy.
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:41:01 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890834

Yes, but what even "already is?" Polar thinking is useful, what already is could be the opposite of what it is, and familiarity fills in the blanks, is memory reliable? Did what is there just appear just now? So living according to reality, right, as if there is this real thing called reality and you can just say what it is. I don't see how someone can believe in the street they live on and the neighbours and the police station and not believe in dragons.
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:49:35 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890836

I mean we live in a dragonbrain myth, really. Okay, so there's this super fantasy land of dragons, right, but I believe that I'm reality, and I believe there's this great dragon that makes everything great, so I go to work, pay taxes, get a new Ferrari, and a mansion that's basically a swimming pool, and all because I believe so absolutely in this great dragon, so I didn't care when I fell, or-so-and-so died, or about anything but dragon fulfilment, so then if there's this super fantasy land full of dragons, and this is what the world actually is, then what's to say a dragon isn't doing really well being a fire dragon in space living in a space dragon dyson sphere, by believing in this great person, who has a mansion, and a ferrari, and doesn't give a fuck, and is just great.

You see how dragons work? I mean we might as well be controlled by dragons. The dragons, aliens and monsters we thought were just in books are actually the controlling forces behind Wall Street.
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:53:53 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890837

I mean it's just world dragons, dragon's world, same thing, all in space, together, and wings are just a translation of space in language, after all, what are jet planes right, you don't just build a jet plane, you build the air around it.
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:00:52 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890839

I mean I fell into water, almost, but then once I fell into the pool of water, it was just my brain, hovering over this pond from above. And the water is so still, so crisp, in the luminous golden yellow light, the delicate ripples.
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:02:05 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890840
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:05:23 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890841

Dragons are reality! Fuck!!!
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Fuck Fivingfut - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:42:21 EST ID:ERbabtHJ No.890845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890842
Not sure if this is all a metaphor for entities controlling our reality behind the veil or if you really believe dragons are our overlords?
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 10:02:16 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890845

What's the difference??? There is no difference. That is where the veil lies.
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George Greengold - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 13:37:51 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890836
I also don't get it why people don't believe they can fly, it's so simple, you just have to find some tall building and try it out
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 13:59:09 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890858

You fuck!

Oh for god's sake. That's not what I meant. Okay, so we're humans, living on Earth, eating food, shitting, blowing up cars, moon landing everywhere, and you're saying that that sequence of words makes more sense than "dragons are real."

DECONSTRUCT. ONE WORD AT A TIME.

I've got an idea. How about you quote what I've just written, except add one word between every two rods of my statement.
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Fiend !!1C9jE+w+ - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 14:27:41 EST ID:Y9/NV241 No.890874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890864
> Okay, so bitch we're humans, fucking living on fucking Earth, eating fuckingfood, shitting, fucking blowing up fucking cars, moon fucking landing everywhere asshole, and you're fucking saying that fucking sequence of bullshit words makes assloads more sense fucking than "dragons are fucking real."

Lol. I had fun there. (not the person you're arguing with though).
nb
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' God !!Bwteoy2D - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 16:20:42 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890864
To me it makes as much sense as dragons but the two statements have different levels of relevance. Thats because i have intentions coming in and even intentions that I make along the way.
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Molly Fuckingdock - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:02:24 EST ID:8am57DtZ No.890882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890881

Of course it does, it is dragons.
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Wesley Fanham - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:03:14 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
guess im not posting on psy anymore lmao
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:22:16 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890752
Well said!
I take it you're a pilot?
>>890764
Now now, emotions are unscientific and come across as schizophrenic within fringe communities.
lol
>>890765
interesting, i've a discord server dedicated to research of paranormal phenomenon.
I've been trying to make something of a science of it myself.
I got a few things figured out. Reincarnation seems to fit the model we've been given.
Time also seems mildly irrelevant. Or at least, relative.
>>890767
Same. However, this ''inner psyche'' bullshit stops the moment these entities start to do real stuff to your very real and waking day reality.
Yes, they feed on your thoughts and ideas. Are they not real? I'd say they are no less real than humans are.
And i've seen humans dissolve into fractals... so what's the argument there?
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:25:51 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890885
This is not to say i don't value introspection of the psyche. I wouldn't be posting here if i didn't.
I am saying there is no boundary between internal and external the moment these entities have actual influence on waking day realities.
I mean this is basically boiling down to the basic premise of
Do you beleive in UFOS?
Because I know a fuckton about UFOS. I've seen a fuckton of UFOS.
Do you beleive in aliens?
I'd be foolish not to beleive in aliens.
Are aliens smarter than humans? Who knows. Maybe more evolved. Maybe more ''spiritual''.
One thing is clear. Humans aren't currently a very spiritual race.
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:28:25 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890772
>influenced the computer age in innumerable ways,
Yes not to mention the devices we are typing on now were developed by people who took lsd.
Bill Gates did it. Steve Jobs did it. Just because not all monkeys evolve doesn't mean that all monkeys don't evolve.
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:30:19 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890773
>I think I know what I am feeling and why better than you do
Ironic because you seem to know what other people know and feel better than [they] do themselves....
There's no method of inquiry here, or, there's an arguably low level of such...
The rest is sheer denial. Wow.
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:36:28 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890779

>>890780
>>890781
>>890784
Oh god this is fucking hilarious
>>890785
>But the truth is fixed
>fixed
error.
Truths are fractal in nature, and here the folly is clear.
All these discussions about fractals and i'm ending up explaining YOU GUYS the fractal nature of life/thoughts/''science''(knowledge)
Knowledge is infinite in potential.

Well, you raise a valid point which i never intended to oppose.
Things can be known. My argument is not that science is impossible, my argument is that there will always be more phenomenon than we can explain through scientific methodology.
There will always be new sciences.


>>890799
Man halfway through this was a good read until it became a lot of bla bla bla.
I mean dude i'll hit you up when i have a recording of this stuff and you can jerk me off later
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:51:03 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890800
So much love for this post my god
I was incoherent and coming down from 12 hits of weak/bunk lsd
In fact the tabs were alleged by the dealer to be unblotted tabs which he accidently gave me after i had had previous experiences with the sheet which were positive.
He seemed astounded that i managed to trip off of them. I mean he was laughing genuinely in astonishment.
I discluded this as factual because i've had successful trips from the sheet.
However it raises an interesting concept. Are placebo trips possible?

But yes i was incoherent and didn't really give myself an oppurtunity to formulate myself i just wrote it up whilst coming down cause it was all fresh.
just hard to construct sentences in such a state :')

Funny we mention dragons.
Look, guys, i want to be straight up and candid here.
I took the psys because i had encounters with entities whilst sober
I have unironically stood before an invisible dragon that was making a fuckton of noise. At first he sounded like some imp banging a log on a tree, i came closer and it sounded like giant wings slapping flesh. I was certain this was not a hallucination.
I went to the same location the next day and saw a Fenghuang. A legendary bird, a chinese/asian phoenix. Not a firebird but a real bird the size of a swan, brown, with a crown on his head.
He looked pretty much identical to the pokemon ho-oh and i just thought ok no way this is getting too ridiculous
so i google it up and ho-oh is based on ho-ooh or hou-ooh
(http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/ho-oo-phoenix.shtml)
And well at least some OBJECTIVE sense could be derived from this.
Apparently according to very historical and traditional legends
the phoenix and dragon are related.
I was completely sober during these experiences.
I've seen ''the black knight sattelite'' too, up 20 metres close, with my ex-girlfriend.
It emitted a light halo. It wasn't a hallucination because i had a witness, i was also sober.
I posted in 2013 on the sts-88 video and left comments saying i saw that craft

now
think about this
i've been communicating with ufos for 7 years. So much, that i've learned how to call their immediate presence.
Essentially a summoning or signalling ''ritual''.
Now why haven't i recorded this?
Because i have a shitty potato phone and you need high iso for this stuff.
(trust me i was a photographer. Pic related, it's some of my own work and i worked a LOT with low light conditions)
Also, trust me, i've tried. I could link some of what i've recorded but you won't tell by the pixels what you're even seeing.
I've given up on that.

So i chose to take psys to meet them.
Now is this so illogical?
Hah.



>>890800
Also be sure to try from the ground up if attempting to fly. And don't get stuck on buildings. I've only flown in dreams but that's what i've learned from dreams :')
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:55:13 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890837
>>890839
Wait a minute.....
Are you a dragon? :'D
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:57:44 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890842

>>890845
>>890846
>Not sure if this is all a metaphor for entities controlling our reality behind the veil or if you really believe dragons are our overlords?
Look i am not sure here but i've unironically been in the presence of an invisible dragon.
Like, for jokes i tell people i SAW an invisible dragon ''well how do u know he's invisible''
but this guy was LOUD and LOUD AF and RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME but also INVISIBLE
and i was SOBER.
Hoping people get this now.
Also, I HAD A WITNESS SEE THE BLACK KNIGHT SATTELITE WITH ME.
SO IT IS SCIENTIFIC. YES.
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Molly Funderlark - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:29:04 EST ID:+k+Ygwgt No.890896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890889

>My argument is not that science is impossible, my argument is that there will always be more phenomenon than we can explain through scientific methodology

Well, I don't know why anyone was questioning science then, as if it's not possible to know things concretely. My entire point is that we do know quite a few things, quite well. Despite our obvious lack of understanding, we are exponentially more knowledgeable than our ancestors, and our technology and understanding of reality increases exponentially ever more with time.
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Esther Fuckingson - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 20:56:53 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890892
whew lad
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''we'' - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 22:25:52 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890896
It's due to the fallcies of science... look up ''scientific proof''...
Einstein once said such a thing doesn't exist, basically.
Academic skepticism. It allows us to doubt our science and make new science out of it.
If gravity tells us no thing can levitate
yet somehow someone manages on some trip to levitate an object.
then the science can not afford to be rigid. It must adapt.
I honestly don't see the problem in scrutinizing our current model of science/scientific understanding.
I think science is a model of subscription. You subscribe to your own model of reality. Your beliefs are your reality.
If you believe you can shoot fireballs out of your hand and it happens one day.
You as a scientist could attribute it to a fluke of gas that came into contact with some plasma
or as a scientist you could say, well, this happened, i'm going to investigate it.
Years later you're a sorceror. Lol. Hypothetically speaking, for now.

But yeah i'm being 100% serious on the invisible dragon and phoenix and ufo stuff. Those are sober phenomenon,
Cryptozoology. Considered pseudoscience. Only because thousands of people in this era haven't seen em. Apparently they were fucking everywhere in ancient times.
But ancient times ain't science. It ain't considered science. It's considered myth, because all the dumbass scientists forgot everything when they died.
Idk, this is turning into a bit of a rant. Look up academic skepticism anyway.
Science is useful as a FOUNDATION. something to subscribe to willingly.
But the science must be secondary to free will.
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Martin Madgetit - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 03:18:23 EST ID:2X98ktf2 No.890904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890892
>he was there, I swear
>he was invisible
Damn I have to use this method to prove to people that I have a new car
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' God !!Bwteoy2D - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 03:51:40 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890892
Where do you live bro?
Also ar3 you sure it was the black night?
Please tell more about the different ET folks you meet, what you do together and what are the resons and the details of your "signaling rituals".
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Ernest Bruzzledale - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 06:50:15 EST ID:bv+aBiYh No.890916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890905

you are photos are journalism
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Ernest Bruzzledale - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 09:46:43 EST ID:bv+aBiYh No.890924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890885

Yes, I fly an A-10 Warthog.
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Caroline Pittman - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:17:09 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.890928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890898

Dude no. Science is the word given to the endeavor to seek truth. Every scientist knows that empirical evidence which may be repeated and shown anywhere any time is merely the "best we have." Every scientist knows that everything is subject to change.

It's people like YOU who come along with this bullshit fucking idea that "science believes itself infallible." No dude. Stop fucking slandering the scientific endeavor. Stop. Just stop being fucking retarded already for the love of god and all that is holy.
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Ernest Bruzzledale - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:40:38 EST ID:bv+aBiYh No.890929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890928

You can't speak for the scientific community as a whole though. There isn't just "science," there's science the dictionary definition, and then scientific institutions, and the moral and philosophical questioning that goes hand-in-hand with science. Science is dragons.
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Ernest Bruzzledale - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:42:23 EST ID:bv+aBiYh No.890930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890929

You can't ride science if you don't understand that it flies.
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''we'' - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:17:56 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890904
:'D
yeah and i'm just a middle aged stoner in the middle of this all going ''woah dude''
>>890905
It's simple really.
I live in Holland.
Dude people only started calling it the black knight sattelite after i had encountered it and had left a bunch of replies on the sts-88 youtube video.
Signalling rituals are literally visual logic.
Assuming there are ufos observing human race
it is as easy as walking to a dark field where no street lights are nearby
taking out a pocket lighter, maybe jacking it up for a brighter flame
and illuminating as much darkness as you can whilst gesturing towards the sky (gesturing is optional)
I mean after a while there becames a sort of bonding or mutual relationship.
I haven't seen a being come out of such craft (yet?). But the craft themselves are plenty.
I've talked a lot about it on ''anonymous posting boards''
i've even got a discord server that was initially dedicated to UFO research and investigation.
I just made the folly of deluding myself that there was a [possibility] that there were no aliens in the craft.
After ''op trip'' i'm absolutely convinced there are alien in the craft.
And they seem pretty chill about this all.

So that's the signalling rituals.
As for actual meeting of ET well that's what this OP is about.
granted, i've still a step further to explore. I was just spooked by stuff and was wondering if anyone here has more experience on the topic


>>890928
I'm proud to hear someone who actually comprehends science, instead of using such as a scapegoat.
My friend, i have given up trying to convince the masses the difference between ''science'' and ''doctrine''.
There should be more people representing science the way you do. If there were, i would still have had hope for the ''profession''.
Nowadays it seems more like a collective scapegoat authority and... means of denial of existence.
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''we'' - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:21:00 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890929
>Science is dragons.
Basically this!
''the scientific method'' for example.
If i record a dragon with a high definition vdslr camera, and upload it to youtube, it is considered unscientific.
/shrug
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Ernest Bruzzledale - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:26:35 EST ID:bv+aBiYh No.890934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890933

Yeah I mean like, my kitchen is my kitchen is my kitchen.
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' God !!Bwteoy2D - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:10:49 EST ID:W69QLDMJ No.890935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890932
Cool thnx
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Sophie Dashforth - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:00:31 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890932
>>890933
this guy is clearly having a mental break and you other people should not enable it lmao
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''we'' - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:27:56 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890941
Pic related. (You) are the one on the left.
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Samuel Sondlewell - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 04:04:04 EST ID:K671XeY5 No.890952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890942

This sums it up very nicely. The one who thinks he is dipping his toes in "hallucination," and one who is hallucination itself, and whose whole life is a trip revealed by the tab.
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Clara Hurringbone - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:42:08 EST ID:ERbabtHJ No.890955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890952
So lulsworthy, but true. Way too many virgin trippers on this board not enough chads, as a matter of fact I've been here so long I think I need to regain my chadness.

A thumbprint of acid and a hippie orgy in the woods should do it right bois?
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''we'' - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:53:01 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890955
https://discord.gg/MePB4WR
type !psychonaut to gain access to entheogenic related discussion
Might look a bit incorehent / no obvious narrative at first but we're investigating stuff
Chads only.
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Sophie Dashforth - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:33:08 EST ID:lH1S2Cs0 No.890960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890952
>>890942
>>890955
boys I just took 3 strong hits last week and completely dissolved, just because I don't share your views doesn't mean I don't go hard
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Shit Siggleworth - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 18:56:17 EST ID:6uXIM/c9 No.890962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890942
that image is fucking hilarious
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Basil Meffinggold - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 19:48:52 EST ID:8f+2qOlU No.890965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>890942
You do realise that the virgin vs. Chad meme is purely ironic, right? The virgin is supposed to represent people who do everything the way they're supposed to, or at least the way that's normal, and Chad is supposed to represent an idealisation of macho behaviour that doesn't, and cannot, and shouldn't, exist in real life, and attempts to emulate the archetype represented by Chad are shown by this meme to be misguided.
That said, you've got any more of these? It's pure gold.
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''we'' (Robotron dude) - Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:17:00 EST ID:USfjcRrz No.890969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>890962
hahahahaha ikr!!!!
>>890965
Yeah i was being ironic. Both sides, same coin. But dragons and stuff and aliens man.
Sadly i don't have more psy tier memes :( have you?
>>890960
Relax, i didn't mean to step on anyones toes. It's funny how our arguments have dissolved into a sort of ''meme peace''.
lel
look i honestly don't know if my experiences are outside ur frames of references or sound crazy to you guys, i don't know who you are or what you've experienced.
So if you don't know about dragons and phoenixes and aliens well idk man, it's a good world and good things are gonna come from it.
Machine elves dude. Ancestor spirits.
The chad and virgin meme is a meme, i thought we could just laugh at it. Tbh there's merit to both virgin and chad :p
also an anon on another messageboard is gifting me a camera to further ufo investigation. It will be soon and there'll be evidence of my claims.
:)


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