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schizo shitzu by Charles Biggleladging - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 02:25:33 EST ID:xP2x0ckD No.519358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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how do I get rid of schizophrenia without taking medication or getting a labotomy (because I don't trust doctors)
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Hamilton Crallerstick - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 02:32:00 EST ID:75JiCJp0 No.519359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
watch "A Beautiful Mind", there's a scene when he talks to the hallucinations and he ignores them or something then he's ok. I don't remember how it goes but I'm sure this movie can help
if not it's still a good movie
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Augustus Mublingcocke - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:52:44 EST ID:YGHBJQ7s No.519362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Look into the hearing voices network for material on how to talk to your voices and make sense of what they are trying to tell you.
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Phoebe Fubbledale - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:31:16 EST ID:3qSLtzLv No.519367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519358
you can't, but you can find a medication that you like, there is a whole range of them.

If your voices are friendly then you can just live with it, a lot of people do. But if they are assholes it is probably best to find a medication that you are ok with and use that
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Emma Fanway - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:21:26 EST ID:xP2x0ckD No.519404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>519359
ok
>>519362
i don't get voices, i just phase out of reality and see visions. i imagine them as being my dreams infiltrating real life but sometimes they're punishment that trap me forcing me to solve puzzles for hours and i can't wake up from these. those are the most annoying ones. these are while i'm awake and completely sober.
>>519367
ok
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Nell Pongerturk - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:28:01 EST ID:yEoxX0eq No.519405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519404
How are your visions? What kind of puzzles?
Have you ever read something by Philip K Dick?
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Martha Hurryham - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:33:28 EST ID:kAEKpfyQ No.519431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519358
Try and find a professional Shaman who can help you. I'm not superstitious or anything like that, but based on treatment outcomes I consider this a perfectly logical choice. The western "treatment" of schizophrenia is barbaric compared to how they deal with it in places like western Africa.
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Priscilla Shittingbury - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 23:00:52 EST ID:xP2x0ckD No.519435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>519405
I had one today. I got stuck in this state and I was trying to drink water that didn't exist because I was conscious that my throat was dry but the water wasn't actually there. I could have been doing other things but it's hazy.
I was in this state for a few hours. I had really loud music playing on my computer that would keep me from being in this state for too long (like, I would hear a noise like the sound of a guitar rift from a song I like or a line from a song that would snap me out of it) but my mother unplugged my speakers so I was stuck semi-conscious trying to grab imaginary water and trying to call for help for a while lol.
I snapped out of it when I heard my phone vibrate when someone was texting me.
It's like being in a hypnotic state somewhat.
Never heard of the guy, sorry.
>>519431
I agree. Kind of not all on board with the shaman thing since I'm Christian and don't believe in those pagan beliefs but I could go research ways other cultures deal with this.
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dr. m !gWLn19/oKs - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 05:47:05 EST ID:ha6d2DOi No.519441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519431

This is SO true.

I've never suffered from full on mental illness (meaning no mental illness that results in a sensually warped sense of reality, where you see/hear/smell etc. things that just aren't real), but I can understand how difficult that must be.

Shamans generally agree that most schizos would have likely been medium/Shaman candidates in their communities if they hadn't been locked up or medicated into oblivion. I'm not sure if I agree with that statistically wise, but clearly it's a better way to deal with these people.

If you legitimize why they're experiencing this stuff, give them guidance from another effective schizo who somehow has their life together (professional shaman who happens to be schizo), and are presented a life approach that constantly reminds the schizo that violence is never the answer and negativity in all its forms is a disease at some level, it's very likely it might actually work.

This is better than the US method of underfunded programs so we can only afford to hand out cheap pills. Often times there's literally zero work or effort put into narrowing down which specific drugs should be used (such as a particular drug because of a measurable deficiency directly related). They (the docs) just list the symptoms and often try a relevant drug because they're just comfortable using it (french for "the drug companies pushed it like crazy since the 90s and I used to totally get kickbacks for it, but those stopped because laws so I just script it now because I know it best"), not because it's the superior med.

If you pay attention, doctors often support scripting one drug over another for no fucking rhyme or reason. This is super apparent with benzo prescriptions. To one doc, xanax is the devil and they will only script klonopin. To another doctor, valium is the devil, Ativan is all they're willing to prescribe long term, but xanax is somehow the safest for short term. Often there's zero rhyme or reason here. They're all nearly equal in danger potential of different things for different reasons, yet these doctors genuinely believe that one is better for their patients over the other.

I'm not anti-pills, but that can't be the primary answer. It's just that nobody wants to pay for REAL treatment of others in the US. The average schizo can't afford to pay for schizo treatment, because chances are they're fucking dysfunctional because of the schizophrenia. We actually expect these people to pay for their own healthcare instead of self medicating with weed, booze, possibly opioids and benzos, etc. because those are the only affordable alternatives. It's so fucked.
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Priscilla Shittingbury - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 06:53:06 EST ID:xP2x0ckD No.519442 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519405
Oh I forgot to mention what the puzzles were. They're like these long, convoluted number puzzles that never end.
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Emma Shakeridge - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:58:47 EST ID:WozaXgtK No.519445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519441
>full on mental illness
The word for this is psychosis. That's the concise definition. I thought you might find that useful.

Schizophrenia is a physiological brain problem though. I agree just throwing meds at a problem is often not the solution and meds should be used to give people enough function for actual treatment to occur most of the time. However with schitzophrenia things like coping mechanisms, a healthy diet and sleeping pattern, exercise and stuff, things that absolutely should be integral to everyone's lives but might not be practiced will all have a relatively small effect. They are worth doing regardless.

The shaman thing is an interesting idea but we don't really know if it's any good. I haven't met anyone who had their life together while being prone to schitzophrenia though people with other psychosis inducing illnesses can function if there are allowances for them going off the grid. Often they're taught minimise the damage, alert others and reduce the effects, they learn to see when it's coming and so on. People with manic depression who can sense when they're about to swing one way or the other and can warn their carer and a couple of friends before it gets too bad, and with the right help will have learned what they need to tell those people and ensured those people are ready to do whats' needed. That all helps and professional help aside from meds includes learning all those things.
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Priscilla Shittingbury - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:14:51 EST ID:xP2x0ckD No.519455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Update: I spoke with my mother about the event and she said that I had been talking to her about some errands I needed to do at the grocery store though I don't remember a thing about it.
This isn't the first time I was stuck in this weird faux-reality state while my real life body was consciously doing stuff. It's really weird and strange and annoying and I have no idea why it happens.
My diet is okay. I'm on the lowest end of the healthy weight spectrum and I sleep plenty.
>Often they're taught minimise the damage, alert others and reduce the effects, they learn to see when it's coming and so on
When I was younger and first experiencing this stuff when I was younger, my mother had just told me to shut up and that I was trying to garner attention. It was later diagnosed as schizophrenia by a doctor when she tried to send me off to a mental ward. I did use to have a friend when I was younger who would recognize when I was entering this state and he'd snap me out of it but my mother got rid of him because she didn't like it when I hung out with people lol.
As for recognizing it coming on, that's impossible. It just happens at random. And when I'm in this state, I can't use my body at all. It's like playing with an RC car but the car is out of range so you can't control it.
I can semi-function well with it as long as I'm listening to repetitive noises that can snap me back to reality but often times that's difficult to do at all times.
I'm not entirely sure how a coping mechanism would help.
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Emma Shakeridge - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:57:52 EST ID:WozaXgtK No.519459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519455
A coping mechanism doesn't have to be internal. It could be reinstating decent friends, or teaching your smother to recognise and snap you out of it.
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Martin Smallridge - Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:59:49 EST ID:GHzh7vt/ No.519464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, I typed out a big giant post for you but the board ate. I'll do my best to retype the important parts.

Basically, you don't need to see a psychiatrist if you don't want to. The medications for schizophrenia are heavy stuff with some shitty side effects. Treatment is better than it used to be, but that doesn't say much. Still, you don't have to worry about a lobotomy! They don't do that anymore. Also no involuntary electroshock like you see in A Beautiful Mind (watch that movie!), though electroshock is useful for some things even today. I've heard of it being used to treat chronic, treatment-resistance depression. There's a great, classic book: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle scientist. It's about a brilliant professor of rhetoric (or philosphy; I forget) who loses his mind, meaning semi-catatonic, and he takes some intense electroshock. It gave him a new personality, or as he puts it in the book, he "became a new personality."

Anyway, I digress. The point is, you don't have to worry about any of that crazy shit. Schizophrenia is treated with two main things: medication (which I would personally avoid for reasons mentioned, but if it ever gets bad, you might wish you had it available) and therapy. Therapy doesn't involve pills! Therapy does't mean strait jackets and forced injections! Most therapists and counselors don't even have a medical degree, which is what lets doctors write prescriptions. Psychiatrists are people with a medical degree in addition to their knowledge of mental illness and how to treat it. But if they scare you, that's understandable.

What I want you to do is find a regular therapist. Doesn't have to be a psychiatrist! It could be if you want, but it doesn't have to be. Just find a therapist. I bet there's there's a few in your area or nearby. You need to find one that you're comfortable with. It might take a few sessions with different ones before you find one that fits you. In therapy, all you're doing is talking. That's it. You just talk to the therapist about your problems and anything you need help with in your head, and they can use their specialized training to give you an objective analysis of what's going on. That's all there is to it! It can really do wonders. Especially with an illness like schizophrenia, where you can have trouble telling what's real and what's not, it is invaluable to have an objective expert like a therapist to give you advice and mental strategies you can use to cope with the weird stuff your mind does sometimes.

There's no cure (yet), but you can always learn to cope better! That's what you should focus on. Coping better. A good therapist that you like can help you quite a bit with that. If possible, maybe try looking around for one that specializes in schizophrenia. Also, if you haven't already done so, make an appointment with your general practitioner (family doctor, that kind of thing) and get a general exam and have some blood work done to test for anything abnormal. Couldn't hurt. While you're there, you might mention your struggle with mental illness. No need to be embarrassed, and if he wants to give your antipsychotics, it's no problem if you don't want them. You can just take the prescription and not get it filled. But it might be useful to have them around if you should have a really bad episode and can't get back to reality. Anyway, if you do mention your mental illness to your GP, he may be able to refer you to some local therapists or a counseling agency.

The idea of therapy for something like this is that you'll learn better how to recognize when your brain is doing weird stuff and what you can do to manage it. Like, my problem is that I'm depressed and anxious all the time. So I've learned to identify both external and internal triggers, and how to change the path my brain is one if I realize I'm spiraling too much into a painful emotional state. I know it's different, and it sounds much harder and more complicated, but I bet you can learn some things you can do to deal with dissociation and delusions and all that fun stuff.

Beyond that, a therapist might be able to analyze your mind as a whole and figure out why this is happening to you. Maybe not; schizophrenia, like a lot of mental illnesses, does not have any definite, proven cause. But it could be a result of stress, or something physiological, or something psychological. No way to know for certain until you've tried everything, but it wouldn't be unheard of for your mental problems to be the result of some underlying issue, whether physical, mental, or social. Again, getting a physical exam and talking to a therapist could help determine (or at least rule-out) these possible sources of your schizophrenia.

I skimmed this thread, and there was some talk about seeing shamans. I think that's a great idea, but do be careful. Shamans don't have the oversight that square health professionals. Some of them are great, some of them are nice but misguided, and some just want your money and couldn't give two shits about you. But totally give it a shot. It's kind of like finding the right therapist. Gotta find one you connect with, who can help with your particular issues, and who isn't a greedy, lying scumbag with an agenda. I guess that goes for people in general, haha!

>>519459
This too. Having people that care about you around is always a good idea.

In conclusion, good luck! Mental illness is a bitch to live with, but that means that every day you stay sane and function, you're winning! You're a fucking soldier, man. Never forget how strong you are to fight for the mastery of your soul. Much love.
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Martin Smallridge - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 00:01:40 EST ID:GHzh7vt/ No.519465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh yeah, I meant to include this.

Fun fact: Humans are the only species known to exhibit schizophrenia. Ain't that just cooky?
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Hedda Hushhood - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 01:49:57 EST ID:xP2x0ckD No.519468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519465
I wouldn't know. I've always experienced being detached from reality since I was a kid and my mother said I was normal like everyone else.
It was just worrying me lately because I was stuck in a semi-conscious state waiting until I could take control of my body for a few hours and this was the first time I was ever physically in pain while doing it (a very dry throat).
I have a lot of water bottles in my room but apparently I wasn't actually drinking from them and I wasn't using my real body.

As for your previous post, the lobotomy thing was kind of a joke about that alice in wonderland video game sequel lol.
Would these therapy sessions cost a lot of money or anything? My parents have loads of dosh but I've been NEET for a while and they don't give me an allowance (which sucks. I had planned to go to college with my old friends a while ago but they said I should pay for it myself. I guess it's a blessing in disguise because I don't have to worry about snapping out of reality in public too much or whatever.)
The thing about my "episodes" is that I am somewhat unconscious when they occur. My body is doing something on auto-pilot and my mind is trying to figure out how to go back into controlling my body. I cannot see or hear what's going on in my body when they occur and there are no signs beforehand other than feeling as though everything's slightly hazy for a few seconds before it happens. Sometimes I can immediately snap out of it when that happens but sometimes I succumb, like someone being hypnotized or something, and I'm trapped again trying to get back to my body.

I doubt I had schizophrenia due to a mental, physical, or social issue. Mentally, I feel fine. I'm always happy. Physically, I'm slim. And socially, I know a lot of people who try to text me but I ignore them for the most part. I'm not the social type.

I think of shamans as a guide for meditating on yourself so maybe they're helpful. I hope they'd be better than those damn "psychics" in DC lol.


I guess therapy would be the best option. I had planned to get that done a few years ago but I really hope there was something for this like how ADHDers have figer cubes and spinners and shit. I'm not that big on the whole talking to others about it since I've only met one person (who was said ex-friend) who took it seriously and not as a joke or something to dismiss. That's why I'm asking here and not confiding it with anyone I know since I didn't want to chafe their nerves with stuff they probably don't care about (or will believe me about) and since I suspected others would have faced the same issue and could give advice. But I'll look into the therapy option if I can, thanks.
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Martin Smallridge - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 03:44:31 EST ID:GHzh7vt/ No.519472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>519468
Well, good luck man. Therapy does cost money. If you have insurance, or you're on your parent's insurance, it shouldn't be too bad. You should ask your parents for help financially if you need it, just to pay for the therapy. I'm sure they would be understanding. Explain to them that this is for your health and well-being. Tell them that you want to be at your best so that you can go to college or get a job or whatever. Even if it's bullshit! If they're really stubborn, or think it's a waste of money, you can convince them to pay for it, I bet.

Therapy isn't that expensive anyway. Like $30-$100 (before insurance) a session, depending on expertise. And you can see them whenever you want: weekly, biweekly, monthly, bimonthly, etc. Sessions last for half an hour, an hour, two hours, whatever works for you and the therapist and your goals in the therapy.

Even if you're afraid of psychiatrists, don't discount them entirely when looking for a therapist! Remember that doctors a people too, like you and me! They just have more schooling and the right to prescribe pills. But you are always the supreme authority on what goes into your body and what you're willing to try or do. You're the patient. You're a sovereign individual, and you can absolutely tell the psychiatrist that you do not want to take any pills. If they get pushy on that, understand that he might have a point, but you're still in charge and can do whatever you want. Certainly there are many psychiatrists, probably the majority, who would gladly acquiesce to whatever the hell their patient wants, as long as it's not dangerous to them of course. I'm just trying to reassure you because psychiatrists are typically more highly educated and professional (and more expensive) than therapists/counselors, therefore they would likely be best equipped to help you. Hopefully, you find one who can give you a name and pathology for the particular symptoms of your condition. That would be a good sign that you found a person who understands what's going on and how to help you. Psychiatrists go to school for a long time, and therapists (without medical/psychiatric degree) also go to school for a decent amount of time, so hopefully you quickly talk to someone who immediately recognizes your condition.

If you're folks have plenty of money and are willing to pay for your treatment, as they should, then I would suggest first consulting with your family doctor, who should be able to refer you to specialists of some kind. Do your own research too, of course. As I said, it can take time before you find a therapist that really clicks with you.

I'm sad to hear that you don't feel much like socializing. I'm the same dang way, and it kinda sucks, for me at least. I don't know how you feel about it. On one hand I like being along because it feels liberating. I can do whatever I want and I don't have to explain anything, and nobody bothers me. On the other hand I get very lonely and bored and wish I had somebody to... I guess bother me lol. I've had bad social anxiety for a long long time, and of the past several years I pushed people away because of that and depression. Anyway it just makes me kind of sad to hear that from you because, having been so lonely for a long time, I know how damaging it is to your psyche to be too lonely and not talk to people, even if you really don't want to and think you don't need to. I understand you're not a social person, and I'm not either, but I just wanna say that people are really important and helpful and you do have to put some basic level of energy into being social sometimes or people might forget you and move on and then you're alone. Maybe I'm projecting. Oh well.

You rock dude!
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Sophie Canningwill - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:53:54 EST ID:VUj4Cb1h No.519474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>519468
hey I just wanted to say that you seem like a really smart guy and you should try and do something really cool with your life. you would probably succeed, as long as you care about whatever it is that you were doing.

take cold showers, practice self-control, and find any excuse to get outside of the house.


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