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Can one be happy long-term by Charles Gollerhadging - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 01:10:48 EST ID:/10V+dDC No.528365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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With no romance at all their entire life?
Albert Shakespear - Thu, 27 Dec 2018 01:26:12 EST ID:OWx1ClP7 No.528367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes, ive done it for years. Take ownership of your life, the bitties will come by every now and than. I didnt get laid from 2014-2017
OP - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 02:01:39 EST ID:GEKntWsd No.528386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
10 doses at 25
20 doses at 12.5

26 Wednesday: take 20- 25 mcg
Deep thoughts, clouds, inspiration
28 Friday: take 10-12 mcg
Work, feel calmer.
29 saturday, take 0mcg
Go to beach, feel relaxed

Can i expect anything more from microdosing? Tbh its pretty gud so far

I think i am srsly introverted and may have slight social anxiety, acid might be helping with the latter.
OP - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 02:05:57 EST ID:GEKntWsd No.528387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh shit, wrong thread
Oliver Donkindock - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 08:55:43 EST ID:UM6F9ImK No.528393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have romance. But its one sided, even though she has a long term long distance relationship, she want to hang out with me on dog walks, drink dates, always talking about cool stuff, making me see things in fresh new ways, like she has smart angles of everything. I suggested we should be a couple instead a while back and had to read her text saying "I need you to know that there isnt a chance that we wont ever be a thing in that way." Over and over, already drunk and pissed off about something the other night. "Some of the things you said make me worry that you havnt got the strength to digest that this wont be a thing." And she's right because I think about her everyday and though I tried just being her friend, she didnt seem to want to hang with other people, so we hang out alone and its always great, her never talking about her bf, like she doesnt want to mention him, like she knows Im in love with her. This cant go on.
Cedric Pockdock - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 17:40:55 EST ID:iaFDsXUG No.528401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I dunno, it's only once you've had it that you really realize that it's not all that. It's not something that can be told really. Tbh I was at my most unhappy when in relationships, they're nice when they are but if you're depressed it changes nothing.
It's like cake. If your life is pretty nice and you don't have to worry about weight and all that a piece of cake will make a moment pretty good. But it won't cure your depression, and if you're mentally unwell you might even feel worse after having ate it, for many different reasons.

Haven't been involved with anyone for maybe 7 years now, was kinda harsch the first two years but then everything just got kinda clear and calm. The purity of how life was before relationships but without the burden of want and need of anything relating to it. I still get attracted to people but it's more of a I could go for some if available, not an "my life is worthless if I'm not gettin that" feeling.

Romance and closeness and all that tend to happen when you stop worrying about it and create spaces in your life that have value without it. Stop worrying and create a life you can love regardless what's around it, and maybe you'll meet someone later. And even if you don't, then at least you made the most out of what you got.
Polly Blythegold - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 19:51:22 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I will preface this with acknowledging that not everybody is built for relationships.

But in all seriousness, if my broke, pointless, obese, not-in-the-cool-or-trendy-way autistic uncle can grab a companion on/off for the last 10 years... most people can.

Relationships can be real nice. A welcome calm and clarity from the noise of life where time slows down and noises in my head get quieter. Just gotta find the right ones.

But as dude above me said, happiness is not predicated by it. Truthfully, if you really focus on building up a life and then go looking, you will attract the right woman for you. It was only once I was living a much more fulfilled life that I began to meet more fulfilling women. I’d invested too much to be ignored by own demographic.
Archie Gingerfield - Sat, 29 Dec 2018 22:48:54 EST ID:U3bkcwps No.528407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you're asking this I don't think anything will make you happy long-term. Except drugs ya know.

I've never been in a real relationship let alone some romance or whatever. I'm okay looking, have cool/interesting things about me, and on the outside, it looks like my life is pretty good. I have a weird serial killer vibe though that is really off putting to people. Especially women. But if I strike up a conversation I can usually get people to loosen up, it just takes a while.

But I know people who are morbidly obese, ugly as all shit, not really funny or interesting, and get as much pussy/dick as they want. And can hold down relationships well too if they so choose.

It used to bother me a bit that I was just floating through the world alone but I learned that even if you're with someone, you'll still be alone at the core. I have a morbid curiosity about being in a relationship but now it has become more along the lines of, "I wonder what sky diving is like. I may do that one day." Instead of, "Everyone is loving life and getting pussy and I'm not."

My coping mechanism for it was; I lost all hope in basically everything else, so why hold onto this 1 little thing? I had way better dreams than pussy at one time. So I realized how stupid it was to hold onto that.
Polly Blythegold - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 00:28:34 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528409 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>even if you are with someone, you will still be alone

That’s not true mate. That’s one of those nonsense sound bites people throw around that has a poetic sounding truth to it but, like much art, is meaningless.

Maybe for you, in your situation, where you have locked yourself off from or never developed the ability to invest. But that doesn’t make it a worldly truth.

I think you should really consider the consequences of your perspective - particularly sharing it on a board where some users are going to be very vulnerable to nihilistic self defeating rhetoric. It’s not in the interests of the people you are saying this to, to hear it.

I’m just saying dude. I’m not here to deny your temporary understanding of yourself. But I do object to the needless sharing of kinda toxic, depressive rhetoric which will undermine the most vulnerable denizens of this community.

Like if I’m being straight about it, who gave you your pass to speak? You’ve not even been in relationships and have lost all hope by your own admission. That makes you particularly poorly suited to contributing a hot take for OP.

I’m just putting myself in some of my more vulnerable moments from the past, where people with shitty narratives and worldviews were able to have more influence than someone of their stature should had because of that vulnerability. Hate breeds hate. Sadness seeks sadness.

The last thing you wanna hear is the thing you need to hear the most. How’s that for a worthless platitude!
Jarvis Tootgold - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 05:40:01 EST ID:9ccgN+hz No.528420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You never heard of Buddhist monks?
Archie Gingerfield - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 11:00:03 EST ID:U3bkcwps No.528423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah but look, if you go until you're in your mid 20's and haven't developed the ability to be in a relationship you are likely alone not only in love but also friends and family. I know I am and I know most people who bitch about >tfw no gf are alone in every aspect of life. I've went out and even just tried making friends or basic acquaintances but it never goes anywhere. I made off best giving up and accepting it. There are pros and cons to everything. Solitude has a lot of pros people dismiss as cons. I for one like my free time. Acceptance goes a long ways fam.
Polly Blythegold - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 13:36:56 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528425 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I don’t doubt you enjoy your time man, as do I. Socialising is a chore and takes a lot of energy - even according to established extroverts.

There are many ways of being and I’m cool with that. I’m not denying you your experience. It’s just that when I come across these sentiments it’s usually a reaction to who and what they’ve been and seen. Instead of making moves to alter the course, they reside themselves in their disconnection. To promote that to others, has consequences.

I won’t pester you further man, I respect your situation. I used to be social and became less so after psychotic episodes which really thinned out my herds and lost me a lot of momentum. I have friends and connections but many adaptions have had be made after a spree of insular, disconnected phases. There are many people I simply cannot motivate to know me anymore and that’s how it shall be.

Hopefully you figure out a way though, to at least build.
Fuck Pillermut - Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:54:26 EST ID:PL1YtLkw No.528431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>That’s not true mate. That’s one of those nonsense sound bites people throw around that has a poetic sounding truth to it but, like much art, is meaningless.
Dude, if you're going to look at things that way then everything is meaningless. Ultimately, everything is, but then that would make your opinion just as untrue and meaningless as mine.

Both my statement (or any statement) and art are inherently devoid of any in-built fundamental objective meaning. The meaning they have to you is created from the interaction between you and the art ofr the concept. When you perceive it, interpret it, and understand it (which is what i mean by interacting with it), it forms the meaning it has to you.

What I meant by being alone despite being with other people is that the fact that our reality is entirely mental and the people, things, and world you interact with are entirely your unconscious projections. They cannot be separated from "you" any more than the characters in a movie, video game, or book can be separated from and exist outside of that movie, game, book, or monitor that displays them or the speakers that play the sounds they make.

yes, they exist separately from you themselves as people, but im not talking about them as people, im talking about your mental projections of them that are all you are capable of ever knowing pr comprehending them by. The way they exist is inherently different than how you perceive their existence in your mind.

So again, therefore, you are only ever surrounded by your own projections of your conscious reality, making you entirely alone on a fundamental level.

so yeah, you can be with others, but that doesn't change the nature of reality. once you're aware of things being that way, it colors all your perceptions and beliefs about being able to ever actually make a connection with anybody or not be alone. you can comfort yourself fro the reality and look past it if pleases you (hell, it's what i do, it's more practical this way considering i'd rather be happy and not lonely), but that doesn't make what I said any less true.

Again, if you say it's meaningless to say or believe, that you're prerogative--you're the one that decides what things mean to you,. don't confuse that with me being factually incorrect.

I do appreciate your input though since it seems like you responded out some genuine concern for me. I just happen to be highly effective at compartmentalization. Despite my perspective or what i believe the truth of reality is, I can divorce my behavior and attitude from my belief in that "truth" because I find it much more pragmatic, enjoyable, and healthy to treat that knowledge as being false in practical application in my daily life. I have no problem believing it's actually the truth while at the same time acting completely as though i believed it weren't true, because ultimately i decide what something means to me, and that meaning can change depending on the context or situation im considering it in.

hence, I say that you always being alone no matter who's around or not is both true and false simultaneously. they arent true and false in all situations ever, but they are at times true and then false in the myriad situations you find yourself in while living.

indeed, if i was using my belief to convince myself that im not capable of forming connections with anybody and that the pursuit of it is pointless , it would be coutnerproductive and unhealthy. regardless of whether its true or not, it would be dumb to accept that belief if that;s the effect it was going to have on my psychological state. but, i dont do that or use the belief that way.
Frederick Feckleludge - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:32:35 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528433 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I mean look dude, I understand what you are saying, I’ve done the existential and philosophical musings stage of my life. So conceptually I am on board with a lot of what you said. I get it and to at least a degree, live by the same principles.

But in a thread about relationships and happiness, we aren’t speaking about life on a metaphysical level, it’s totally impractical and a kind of mental gymnastics to do so.

But even if I were to play within the confines of a metaphysical discussion.

The ability to connect with the presence of another human being in the way that love does, is probably the closest thing to experiencing true innner peace. Which is the furthest thing from being alone. Most of the heavy hitting philosophers and religions inevitably settled on love being the truth.

It was kinda what I was getting at when I was talking about how it kills the noise in your head and slows down time.

You seem like a cool guy, buddy.
David Chondlefoot - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 01:46:49 EST ID:U3bkcwps No.528434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So basically, existentialism can be cured with love?

I dunno mayne. 1 quick trick to solve all your problems.

Billy Mays here!
Jack Fendermod - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 06:51:36 EST ID:wXUo0nBA No.528435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seekers are dreamers. Dreamers are often disappointed.
Frederick Feckleludge - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 08:45:11 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528437 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nah but it’s a pretty good quick and temporary fix!
Jarvis Fallerstock - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 17:00:24 EST ID:5V56LgZg No.528443 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't any form of escapism the same thing? In other words, being in love is the same as getting high. Ultimately, getting high is just another way of averting your eyes from the truth or running away.

Typically, escapism is considered a bad thing, something detrimental to be avoided. I never take stances that are absolute, so I know there have to be cases where escapism can be good, but it should make you question the idea of what the perception of love actually involves you thinking and doing, and how it makes you see things.

For instance, if a woman in an abusive relationship who actually feels as though she's in love with her abusive shitstain boyfriend that physically and mentally injures her on an at least semi-regular basis, sure she may not really feel alone, but I think it's pretty clear that her man doesn't actually have love for her himself and the relationship is literally doing nothing but hurting her.
Jarvis Fallerstock - Mon, 31 Dec 2018 17:02:19 EST ID:5V56LgZg No.528444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>and the relationship is literally doing nothing but hurting her
or at least it's an overwhelming net negative effect its having on her life
mr bigglewoe - Fri, 04 Jan 2019 18:56:19 EST ID:bX3FxiFV No.528521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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its up to you to create what you think romance is for you man. to keep the mystery or wonder toward love is natural to live a happy life you cant just keep snuffing it or it might not come back the way you want it to. short awnser yes. you can live without a family easy to the will of corruption but what would it be called? pawn, tool, throw away... long awnser no. bein able to understand without romance is to be without the wonder to love. just dont put yourself in a position to not love yourself or not love others you see this is they way people create broken paradigms for a sense of power over one another, dont break down love to what they want.
Polly Nucklebury - Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:24:54 EST ID:4rsfPuc5 No.528540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don't know. I yearn for a relationship, but am scared to do anything a lot of the time. Even worse, my mind tells me I'm too autistic for girls. I do get really nervous around attractive girls. Why the fuck can't I view them as guys? I'm afraid...I won't ever find a girl who would accept me, even though I am 'hot' and talented and shit. It's in my head. But also I am spaghetti around women a lot of the time. I never learned right, did I? I never learned how to be normal with girls. Some girls I click with 100% and it's great, but those girls are so far and few in between. In my mind, I don't see myself as a guy who can get a girl. I don't even dream about sex, I dream about my social anxiety around women. I get so nervous to make a move. I can't grind with girls at bars. I don't even think about making physical moves. I don't even know. I see high schoolers holding hands and it gets me pissed off, that this kid has more experience and connection than I've ever had. I'm 24. Never had a gf. Pathetic, right? I don't know how it will work out. Maybe if I just focus on guitar and singing and playing live it'll work out for me.
Lydia Fummlesen - Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:54:00 EST ID:U3bkcwps No.528570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Done the live music route, if you have severe anxiety I don't recommend it. They tell you to face your fears but it didn't work for me. I just made me recluse away and make music alone all by myself. If anything it made me less open about being a musician. I don't think 99% of the people that know me now know I've played live to a crowd or even play any instruments.

The only way I could possibly cope of playing live was in a costume with my identity concealed. Even if it is weird/gimmicky it helped me.

Playing music has never landed me any puss either. I'm still winding down on my 20's having never kissed anyone lol.
Hedda Niblingtedge - Sun, 06 Jan 2019 01:29:45 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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There’s something about your post which is disorientating and feels, weird. I wouldn’t like to have your brain.

Escapism is pretty subjective territory. I would say that there are many forms of it and that actually, only to someone playing around in low resolution concepts, would they be the same. It’s so vague it loses its point at the level of detail you are playing with.

For instance, travelling is a form of escapism but you wouldn’t say that has anything like the sort of experience which drugs bring. Escapism is a perfectly healthy thing to do under many circumstances. Indulging in some escapism as a break from reality is fine as long as the consequences aren’t damaging.

Also an example of a domestic abuse victim to talk about this subject - idk man, that’s in bad taste. There are well explored reasons for the psychological mechanics behind what drives these types of relationships. It’s really not for the best to be bringing up these types of scenarios as evidence of escapism. There are more nuanced issues driving the situation and it’s not merely them escaping to some sentimental feeling to keep it going. Truthfully, I don’t think you have any experience in these grounds. As someone who’s grown up in a house with issues and known girls with issues, there’s nothing about your thought experiment which translates into any reality I’ve seen. In fact it would be kinda bullshit to try and fit these situations into it.

I suppose what i am asking myself though is, what constitutes escapism? Any kind of “break” from the seriousness of life? Is art escapism, even when people dedicate their life to it? Are video games escapism, even though it’s just chess with better graphics and people felt chess was a pretty big deal? Is culture escapism?

What are we even escaping? What’s the big truth that everyone indulges in running away from ? What are we supposed to do in order to not escape and stay with the truth? What even is the truth? You can say vague stuff like “well everybody is running from something” but is that even true? What if you just got over it, processed it, whatever it is. Would you be allowed to play video games in peace or do your drugs with a sense of satisfaction.

I don’t understand life anymore I went too deep, too deep man.

Also only the siths deal in absolutes
Hedda Niblingtedge - Sun, 06 Jan 2019 01:40:20 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528572 Ignore Report Quick Reply

In order to win the war, you must win many battles.

In order to win a battle, you must first be ready to fight.

In order to be ready to fight, you must tie your shoes.

In order to tie your shoes, you have to put them on first.

In order to have shoes, you may have to buy them.

My point being - small steps lead to big victories. Building yourself up, from the foundations to the finishing touches.

You aren’t going to reach the macho hombre compadre of chickas stage overnight. Not anytime soon either tbh. But if you actually work on your situation by fighting for those smaller victories, it adds up. Confidence building isn’t about feeling stronger but braver. I’d recommend Jordan Peterson’s lecture on fear and anxiety.

Essentially, sustained exposure to stimuli and scenarios which make you confront your own shortcomings are the only way to overcome them. If you are terrified of something, you must face it, repeatedly in smaller doses until you find your resolve to face it improves.

At the end of the day man, I’m sure you can turn things around in the next few years. I used to be completely autistic with people. In the space of a couple years and some training, I managed to fly under the radar. Yes I am still awkward, no I am not normal - but I am not incompetent. I can speak to people, I make eye contact, I present myself well and don’t seem like the idiot I was when I was younger. Truthfully these days I find it easier to talk to people I don’t know than the ones I do, as if I am chained to the remnants of my older selfs persona which was still half baked compared to my current iteration.
Angus Budgeforth - Sun, 06 Jan 2019 03:51:16 EST ID:DEkx6gxZ No.528578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Go to Burning man. We can be friends lol
Jarvis Gettingwater - Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:33:52 EST ID:4rsfPuc5 No.528628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thank you
Albert Sepperforth - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 06:04:44 EST ID:U3bkcwps No.528631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I wouldn’t like to have your brain.

I don't want it either deep, instrospective anime jaypeg.
Martha Honeystock - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 13:41:12 EST ID:Yd2A+DdG No.528634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>There’s something about your post which is disorientating and feels, weird. I wouldn’t like to have your brain
That's ADHD and two concussions with permanent post concussive syndrome for you. Sometimes I'm capable of being very cogent and articulate, and other times I just make no sense at all. Most of the time even I don't know what my point is or where I'm going with something. Lookin forward to the dementia by age 40 :V
Martha Honeystock - Tue, 08 Jan 2019 15:54:16 EST ID:Yd2A+DdG No.528637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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As far as what constitutes escapism, in the way I am using the term, I think it primarily concerns a pattern of behavior underpinned by a desire or attempt to lose sight or awareness of serious issues in life or to avoid addressing some fact of reality. The most general fact of reality we all seem to try escaping is the absurdity of the world we live in, as well as a general sense of lacking purpose, meaning, or value in our lives--any time anything goes wrong or we get too bored, these same issues are brought back to light.

By the way, I use the term "absurd" specifically as it is used in existentialism (absurdism). "In philosophy, "the Absurd" refers to the conflict between the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and the human inability to find any in a purposeless, meaningless or chaotic and irrational universe.[citation needed] The universe and the human mind do not each separately cause the Absurd, but rather, the Absurd arises by the contradictory nature of the two existing simultaneously." I'm sure you're already familiar with the concept, but I figured I'd explain it for the benefit for anybody interested.

Depending on how often the individual uses it as a coping mechanism, along with the situations its used in, determine whether or not it is an unhealthy pattern of behavior that is ultimately detrimental to the psychological well being of the individual being considered. The reason for using it is also important, of course; unfortunately, the motivations behind our actions are all too often not that obvious or otherwise other than what we believe them to be.

If your reason for seeking companionship is solely to combat loneliness, the the reason isn't a healthy one. It's merely to escape loneliness. If your desire for companionship is to form a real bond with another human being and to ultimately get more out of life and to improve and grow as a person, with the escape from loneliness being a pleasant bonus, then the desire for companionship has a much more solid, healthy foundation. The key difference here is one is born from neurosis, the other isn't.

Let me give examples. We all know people that immediately get into another relationship after breaking up, habitually. That's somebody trying to avoid loneliness, and the results are often neither good for them, nor the people they get with. Then there are people have gotten their life and affairs in order and want to share their life with somebody else to become something greather than just themselves, or who have known somebody for a long time that they've developed a strong relationship with and they just take the next step.

I think I should note that when I responded to your post about love being a "quick fix" for getting lost down the rabbit hole of existentialism, I was more or less playing devil's advocate. It's a bit of an annoying habit of mine. A lot of the time what I say doesn't really accurately reflect my own beliefs on the subject, at least not entirely. I'm just creating a dialog, posing an antithesis un response to your thesis, hoping we can reach some kind of synthesis through some discussion.
Sophie Blellerwun - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:16:53 EST ID:cX0GvxyG No.528647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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In my experience, existentialism is the case for eschewing love. Or as the man from the underground says, excess consciousness is a disease. Society as excess, Calhoun experiment, blah blah. It sounds awful to acknowledge it, chances are you'll do better as a disembodied voice or a Ceci-n'est-pas since virtual people are shifting to be the mass-appeal godheads. But in terms of people (going back to OP), no. Oxytocin is the reason we're hairless apes. The proof is in the pudding that is you. The enigma of steel is a mystery, anon. You must learn its riddle.
Hugh Tillingstock - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 14:14:34 EST ID:yDKihQN5 No.528655 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It's a fair definition for escapism and I like it. I suppose at a point though, it has it's limitations. For instance - some people are pretty comfortable with how the world works. Others are not. It really depends on the lens through which you are viewing the information and what picture that forms for you.

The lacking of purpose, meaning and value - again, these are weighty problems, but not everyone will truly be subjected to them in any meaningful way. Not in the ways that I presume, you and I will experience them.

I'm not actually familiar with existentialism, so that's some cool thoughts bruh.

Again, I agree about the measure you are using to determine if it is healthy or unhealthy escapism. Motivations are very important and exist on so many layers, it's very curious to dismantle my own and see where the land lies. What harms me on one level, benefits me on another and so on.

Again, general noises of agreement regarding relationships and the reasons for.

I respect the play dude, I'm quite a literal guy, I don't have that kind of flexibility in my behaviour a lot of the time. Sure I can posit questions and devils advocate style behaviour within a discussion, but typically I'm not going to maintain it as an entirely serious post at face value. Usually I'd do something to give the game away.

I appreciate the conversation though, your an interesting guy, buddy and you are my friend.

I suppose I feel it's on every individual to decide for themselves if this universe is cold, empty and meaningless. For me, I've ended up placing a kind of spooky significance on the experience of life. I feel like my wandering and seeking days are over, after a solid decade plus of feeling totally outside of society and unsure of anything. I did my angry teenage rebellion, the satanism, my buddhism, my new age quackery, did the drugs, had the psychosises.... Idk I've been down many rabbit holes. I suppose it's reached a point where I've settled on feeling like this world does have meaning, that if I value my own existence and value others, then the contributions I make are worthwhile.

For instance. Me and you have this exchange, perhaps the mutually shared ripples of our interaction echo through the rest of our lives, nudging us in a better direction, towards something more positive. That is why I spend so much time on /qq/ tbh, mostly just trying to stack up some good karma points by helping others. I'm not really gonna do to much in real life, but at least here, amongst my tribe, I can help and hopefully fix a few people up even marginally with some good advice.
Basil Meggleson - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 15:12:06 EST ID:2I3LHtGv No.528658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Sure I can posit questions and devils advocate style behaviour within a discussion, but typically I'm not going to maintain it as an entirely serious post at face value. Usually I'd do something to give the game away.
This isn't a conscious choice for me (to avoid giving it away, I mean). It's a flaw of mine. More often than not, not giving it away leads to more hostility than it does fruitful discussion. Unfortunately, I just get so wrapped up thinking about the questions I'm posing and the discussion that I completely forget to include some kind of clue or explicit mention that my own views often deviate significantly (at times, anyway) from the questions and the counterarguments I'm posing.

>I appreciate the conversation though, your an interesting guy, buddy and you are my friend.
Thanks, it's pretty refreshing to encounter somebody that is actually willing to entertain a discussion like this for this long... not to mention who is open minded and relaxed enough to back off from any... let's say frustration and potentially bad feelings that might have arose from initially disagreeing (as well to come to some sort of agreement and friendly discourse even in the potential absence of any agreement).

I appreciate that man.

Admittedly, I'm also a bit autistic or otherwise overly pedantic about a lot of things when it comes to discussions like these. I realize it can be an incredibly annoying character trait, and I apologize for that. Even if it doesn't annoy you, it often annoys me in hindsight after engaging in some lengthy discussion and rational discourse with someone online. A lot of the time I'm pretty bad at missing the forest for the tress too.

Hope life goes well for you man, this was nice.
Basil Meggleson - Wed, 09 Jan 2019 15:24:20 EST ID:2I3LHtGv No.528659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, a note about existentialism and (existential) nihilism.
>I suppose I feel it's on every individual to decide for themselves if this universe is cold, empty and meaningless.
>I suppose it's reached a point where I've settled on feeling like this world does have meaning, that if I value my own existence and value others, then the contributions I make are worthwhile.

I feel pretty much the exact same way. In any case, what you've expressed here is basically the existentialist's world outlook. They recognize the absurdity of our universe/reality, but recognize that we are unavoidably human... and with that comes natural meaning and value that is inherent to our experience of the world (as a natural emergent phenomenon resulting from the structure of our central nervous system and evolution, our cognitive biases, our social interactions with one another, the structure and hierarchy of our societies (which, hierarchies necessitate a value system of some kind), our cultures, and most importantly, our inevitable pain and suffering). Ultimately, we decide whether to reject that meaning, but the inability to escape suffering and the desire to avoid pain pretty much automatically establishes at least a rudimentary value system simply through the act of living.

Nihilists on the other hand choose to see the absurdity of the universe and our existence and conclude that there is no meaning, value, or point to anything. They can choose to give something meaning, but ultimately the pervasiveness of the overall worldview prevents that meaning from having any real depth.

To point out specifically the difference between the two, it is the existentialists' recognition of our humanity, the (our shared) human condition, and the value and belief systems that utterly surround us and guide our lives and experiences, as well as the acceptance of them. This is opposed, of course, to the nihilist's rejection of it all.
Eugene Mongerfut - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 05:03:34 EST ID:UzisfxYZ No.528812 Ignore Report Quick Reply

PLEASE, life, let me feel that inner peace, the connectedness, how the noise goes away and everything slows down. At the soft touch of her, and her warm breath.

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