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Worlds Largest Optical Telescope Gets Green Light by Urbain Le Verrier - Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:35:39 EST ID:CSHK8ujB No.54790 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The European Extremely Large Telescope (E-ELT), a planned 39 meter telescope to be built high in the atacama desert has received sufficient funding to move into implementation. The observatory aims for first light around 2024.


At 39 meters the telescope will dwarf the current 8-10 meter class telescopes with 4 times the resolution and about 15 times the collecting area.

The telescope evolves around several science themes from large to small. It's extreme resolution combines will provide Hubble like views of galaxies 30 times further away but also with the power to resolve every pixel into a spectrum. This will mean a great deal for galaxy formation.

On the topic of exoplanets E-ELT will have a high precision spectrograph capable of confidently detecting earth like planets around sun like stars. With later instruments it will also be capable of directly imaging super-earths. With time it could provide evidence of continents and oceans.

It's high precision spectrograph of directly measuring the expansion of the universe for the first time. Redshift drift is an effect where the expansion of the universe causes redshifts to slowly increase over time.

E-ELT boasts big science and some incredible engineering.
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Thomas Henderson - Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:50:19 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.54809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Science is done by scientists. They're not trying to sell people products, forming committees to come up with better names names for things don't get us any closer to mars.

Then what are we going to call a device that detects Oort-cloud objects?

HST image 7A24F will resolve a very large region of sky at a very high resolution. It'll be the largest compilation of images at this resolution anyone's done in awhile.
Other telescopes just look at the surface, the Hubble looks deeper. We'll call it "Deep Field"

This one can see even further.
..."Ultra Deep field"?

This one can nearly see back the the start of the universe.
Fuck it, Call it "Deep Field Extreme. But capitalize the X.
Anders Angstrom - Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:09:24 EST ID:H3af7FdZ No.54810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
for a moment I thought it was called Worlds Largest Optical Telescope
this is indeed getting retarded, whats wrong with John or Bill?
Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:02:50 EST ID:CSHK8ujB No.54811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nice post, tiny nitpic. The deep fields are actually a very small region of the sky.
John Bahcall - Mon, 05 Jan 2015 04:07:37 EST ID:uAV78rGD No.54893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does it get red, blue, infrared and ultraviolet light too?
John Wheeler - Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:21:24 EST ID:CSHK8ujB No.54894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes. Initially the instumentation will focus on the near infrared because adaptive optics is easier there and so you get the most out of the telescope. Possibly with a mid infrared camera also. After that visible and UV will come in.

Panspermia by Walter Adams - Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:10:02 EST ID:h1NupmlQ No.54865 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Oh shit. I just realized that panspermia is plausible. For those here who dont know, Panspermia basically explains that the building blocks for life, or even micro-organisms came originally from some extra-terrestrials source [read: Not "aliens" per se].

The way I came to this self realization is by reading about the Voyager & Pioneer crafts, and this page from What If:


So according to this author, whom I would say is slightly reliable if not on the optimistic side, there are a number of microorganisms that remain viable upon spacecraft after launch. Even though most craft are decontaminated, there are still some number of organisms left. Now, a number of craft have failed in their missions and impacted planets. Another number of craft have willingly set down upon planets.

Do you think it is possible that there could be cross contamination from earth based organisms on any local celestial bodies, and more, do you believe that if microorganisms contaminated Mars, or Titan, etc. that they could remain viable, or even multiply?
Giovanni Cassini - Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:56:46 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just because panspermia is plausible, doesn't mean it happened. I'm not assuming that you meant that but I'm just throwing that out there just in case. Also, if panspermia was the only way that life is formed, we fall into sort of a "turtles all the way down" or "chicken or the egg" infinite-loop kind of paradox.

Regardless, it would be unlikely that a spacecraft would be contaminated by an extremophile hardy enough to survive in those conditions, not saying that one doesn't exist here on Earth. But they are typically found in very extreme locations such as the bottom of the sea floor, deep underground, or in Antarctica.
James Elliott - Thu, 01 Jan 2015 23:18:56 EST ID:XwQwdExC No.54885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The 11th episode of the new Cosmos TV series shows a very plausible explanation for the origin of life being Panspermia; I suggest you watch that episode if you are interested in the subject. I made a thread on /sagan/ about this exact same topic early last year, see this post here:

I just find it incredibly interesting how we are finding amino acids and other biological building blocks just floating around in space...
Robert Wilson - Fri, 02 Jan 2015 03:09:47 EST ID:H3af7FdZ No.54886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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name for this hypothesis contains a word of sexual nature and its meaning can have vulgar, or even sexist overtones to sensitive people
Annie Cannon - Sat, 03 Jan 2015 00:21:26 EST ID:415JX8nG No.54889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think a reasonable to suggest that if panspermia is correct, most habitable places in this solar system should be inhabited.
I think Martian caves, Europas oceans or slush, and I was thinking maybe even volcanoes on titan, there may be liquid water with interesting chemistry going on.

Also, Curiosity detected organic carbon when it burned some soil containing water ice in a sample retrieved a few inches underground. Nothing definitive, but an interesting signal none the less.

Of course not finding life wouldn't necessarily be proof that panspermia didn't happen, but it would imply that life needs more particular conditions to survive.

We are always finding life that pushes the boundaries of what we thought was possible, if life can in fact exist elsewhere in our solar system, it will.

Study finds possible alternative explanation for dark energy by Joseph von Fraunhofer - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:38:01 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54870 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>The predicted effects of time being faster in the past would have the effect of making the plot of supernovas become linear at all distances, which would imply that there is no acceleration in the expansion of the universe. In this scenario there would be no necessity to invoke the existence of dark energy.

So pretty much if this is true, Dark Energy doesn't exist and it's observed effects are really caused by time dilation. Hubble expansion is really just an illusion caused by time slowing as the universe ages. We see acceleration at increased distances because when you look farther away it means you look back in time, and time is actually slowing down.

Also, this would imply that as the state of the acceleration is essentially linear, there will be no Big Rip or Big Crunch because the acceleration is not positive or negative. The universe will likely end in a slow Heat Death.
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Fritz Zwicky - Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:01:27 EST ID:XwQwdExC No.54879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Since the earth (along with the rest of the galaxy) is moving through intergalactic space at nearly 2 million miles per hour, does that mean our galaxy has its own unique amount of time dilation (with respect to other galaxies/celestial structures? Does time run slower in faster-moving galaxies? I mean, does it make a difference whether a galaxy is moving towards/away from your point of reference? For example, could the degree of time dilation in one galaxy appear to be higher when observed from one galaxy, but appear to be lower when observed from another galaxy that is moving in a different direction from the first? If our solar system existed in a different galaxy moving a different direction, would the time on that bizarro-earth run at a different "clock" compared to our Milky-Way Earth?
Does that even make sense? Sorry, time dilation confuses me...

Also, how does light even propagate at all, when anything traveling that fast would have so much time dilation that its time for it would've slowed to basically a complete halt? How can it appear to move at 299,792,458 meters per second when it takes it an infinite amount of years for it to even "experience" one second?
Galileo Galilei - Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:35:01 EST ID:7d1GyK7j No.54880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Since the earth (along with the rest of the galaxy) is moving through intergalactic space at nearly 2 million miles per hour, does that mean our galaxy has its own unique amount of time dilation (with respect to other galaxies/celestial structures?
Yes there is time dilation (as long as is not expansion due to the expanding universe). Both galaxies will see the other running slow, that is one of the cornerstones of relativity. Neither is more right than the other in this observation.

>I mean, does it make a difference whether a galaxy is moving towards/away from your point of reference?
It does. This is the Doppler effect, slightly different from time dilation. If something is moving towards you you observe them sped up because the distance the light has to travel from them to you decreases every second so if you were watching a clock tick you would see it run fast. If it was running away it would be slow. This is just like hearing the pitch of an ambulance siren change as it passes you. The important thing about relativity is that the even if it is running perpendicular to the line of sight (getting neither closer nor farther away) there is an observed slowing, this is time dilation.

>For example, could the degree of time dilation in one galaxy appear to be higher when observed from one galaxy, but appear to be lower when observed from another galaxy that is moving in a different direction from the first? If our solar system existed in a different galaxy moving a different direction, would the time on that bizarro-earth run at a different "clock" compared to our Milky-Way Earth?
Yes but the important thing is that time dilation due to velocity is symmetric, they see your clock tick slow, you see their clock tick slow. Different galaxies would see different degrees of time dilation if they had different velocities.

>Also, how does light even propagate at all, when anything traveling that fast would have so much time dilation that its time for it would've slowed to basically a complete halt?
Some people would claim the photon experiences no time, it can propagate because that is not time dilated. However strictly special relativity does not describe time dilation for light. Relativity assumes just two things but one of them is that light is away measured at the same speed in all frames. To calculate time dilation for an object you need a frame traveling alongside the object, not allowed for light.

Possibly, possibly not. The universe is either flat or just closed. If it is flat then then there would be no time dilation because the global geometry would be unchanged. Either way it would be very minor accept in the very early universe.
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James Elliott - Thu, 01 Jan 2015 20:38:37 EST ID:XwQwdExC No.54883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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very interesting, thanks for your reply. I find time dilation really fascinating.

About "gravitational time dilation":
What if gravitation was merely a secondary effect of increased time dilation (rather than the other way around, i.e. time dilation being "caused" by increased gravity), with objects having a natural tendency to gravitate towards regions of spacetime with slower time? Do you think this is at all possible?

Even a spaceship traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light would have greatly increased mass (according to E=mc^2), and therefore would also have a greatly increased gravitational field. In this case, the increased gravity would act like natural "drag" to slow the velocity of the spacecraft down to a more neutral speed (with respect to other moving bodies in the universe). Is it at all plausible to consider that gravity may be a "fictitious force" like we consider the centripetal force to be?

sorry if these are dumb questions
Giovanni Cassini - Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:47:54 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If anything, things would seem to move away faster as they move into space that experiences a faster time rate. Oh wait, they already do and this is why we think there's dark energy.

All this still doesn't explain dark matter.
Henry Russell - Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:25:15 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thought experiment, feel free to dismiss this as nonsense.

What if dark matter is somehow linked to the apparent mass increase objects experience as they approach light speed?

In localized areas where the time is not moving faster, objects to not seem to have any increased mass. But more distant objects, which are relatively moving faster and faster away from us approaching light speed more and more, objects are actually apparently gaining mass due to general relativity.

This could be tested by measuring the mass of extremely distant objects over time but I'm afraid it would take too much time, in human years, to observe a change.

Gravity Question by Edwin Salpeter - Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:28:17 EST ID:415JX8nG No.54821 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Would two colliding gravitational waves exert a tiny force against each other?

If they did at distances where the universe becomes homogenized, could the cumulative force of colliding gravitational waves of the rest of the universe overcome the weak attraction of gravity?

This isn't against dark energy, I was just wondering if it could be a contributing factor.
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Ejnar Hertzprung - Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:51:40 EST ID:415JX8nG No.54827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i know it's a calculable thing with relativity, if someone around here knows the physics.

I guess another way of asking the question would be, do two colliding gravitational waves cause space (and time) to expand between them?

said waves of equal magnitude cancel out, but that would only be a specific radius (roughly) of your section of the universe, where the threshold of balance between the force of waves is equal.

I guess another question to ask would be do colliding gravitational waves increase the space (and time) between objects noticeably on super-galactic levels?
Ejnar Hertzprung - Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:53:14 EST ID:415JX8nG No.54828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
sorry for that retard double statement, I'm drunk and high, and cool
Caroline Herschel - Tue, 16 Dec 2014 04:56:03 EST ID:Ncnb3OJc No.54829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Gravitational waves don't have a longitudinal component, so they don't cause expansion or contraction of space along the direction of propagation. They cause expansion or contraction perpendicular to the direction of propagation. Pic related, it's what you'd see if a very strong gravitational wave traveled along the line from your screen to your face. It simultaneously expands and contracts in such a way that any area is only deformed, not increased or decreased. There is no unbalanced force, thus, it can't contribute to the metric expansion of spacetime.

Two gravitational waves would not collide, they would constructively or destructively interfere. That means that in some places, the effect in the gif would be amplified, while cancelled out in other places. Interference still wouldn't create unbalanced forces.

Another argument against it being related to the expansion of spacetime is that the strength of gravitation waves are inversely proportional to the distance from the source. The expansion of spacetime, on the other hand, is most significant in areas of low gravity. Galaxies are receding, but not falling apart. Binary stars (which are likely generators of gravity waves) don't repulse other objects or binary stars.

Finally, keep in mind that gravitational waves are generated only by accelerating objects, they only propagate changes in a gravitational field, they're not the carriers of gravity or the dual of gravitons.

Disclaimer: I'm not a physicist nor do I understand the math. This is just what I picked up reading about the topic.
Bruon Rossi - Sun, 28 Dec 2014 22:33:12 EST ID:2uBuMclp No.54861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
weak or strong gravitational waves exert a force against each other. thats why while you are being pulled to the earth the earth is also being pulled toward you.
Arno Penzias - Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:51:04 EST ID:w9Ju60EU No.54862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, read the post above yours.

Do dwarfs live on Pluto? by :3 - Wed, 24 Dec 2014 07:31:28 EST ID:PNtK+lw6 No.54857 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Today on https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1520367906/max-navy-1488-space-program there is a project that might tell us why Pluto really isent classed as a planet anymore.

Do anyone know if aliens live on Pluto?

Is NASA refusing to tell us why they really changed what we now say Pluto is?

Is Earth in some sort of conflict with the dwarfs?

I pledged some money and if you just like me want to find out the truh please try to get it 100% funded.
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Joseph-Louis Lagrange - Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:30:17 EST ID:vud/nmWg No.54858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
dwarf people are not people.

Interstellar Question by Edmond Halley - Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:42:59 EST ID:9uY/b809 No.54832 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Not here to talk about whether or not it was good movie or not. Just had a question that has me a little baffled.

So they go down on the planet near the black hole with the intense gravity, and they leave the black guy behind. Due to relativity time passes for the black guy much faster than on the distorted planet. So, would the black guy see if he looked down at the planet with a high power telescope? Would they be moving extremely slow or what?
Thomas Henderson - Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:46:43 EST ID:Ncnb3OJc No.54836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Henry Russell - Tue, 23 Dec 2014 05:01:31 EST ID:3dhJAQX4 No.54854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bart Bok - Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:01:11 EST ID:KCC23SOp No.54855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doesn't matter because they would have never gone to waterworld; the signal would have been "stretched" by gravity as well; they wouldn't be able to receive an affirmative message and if they did it (but they wouldn't) would just be junk. Even the binary pings they were using would be rendered unusable. speculation, but I do have a background in radio communication; feel free to debunk if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I am not.

But yes, he would see their journey unfold at a snails pace, they would look like they were hardly moving.
Bart Bok - Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:28:18 EST ID:KCC23SOp No.54856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Addendum to what I said earlier: He may not be able to see them well or even at all; if he can see them at all they will appear to be moving _very_ slowly. A fixed number of photons travel from the planet to the distant observer in orbit, because of the distorting effect in play photons leaving the planet nano seconds after other photons will reach the observer quite a bit after the photons they had been chasing. The guy in space is receiving an hours worth of photons over a 20 year period. That should have an effect on how the entire planet is seen; like it should leave a ghost trail in its orbit or something.

Black Holes and trash compactors by Edmond Halley - Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:14:24 EST ID:n8sUDEe1 No.54835 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If black holes are at the center of each galaxy, and their gravitational vortex creates the whirlpool spiraling of galaxy arms, then is it possible black holes and gamma ray bursts such as Cygnus X-1 act as garbage disposals or trash compactors and they can get full. Does the pull of a black hole suck in at varying speeds? Do some black holes start slowing down? Is there too much matter in them?

On an unrelated note, my garbage disposal is currently jammed.
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Vera Rubiin - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:59:28 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>black holes don't get full
I can't find the freaking article so you're on your own with this one but if a black hole is overloaded with too much matter coming in it loses sucking power.

But the thing is it has to be a lot of matter and it has to keep coming in. If it stops, the black hole returns to full strength.

Google failed me.
Thomas Henderson - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:50:51 EST ID:Ncnb3OJc No.54840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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wtf are you talking about? you're on your own with your baseless citation-required claim.
Henry Russell - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:29:32 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.54842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If there's too much mass being accreted, a portion of the matter being accreted will be ejected, but the size/shape of a body is irrelevant to its gravitational effect on another body, only center of mass and distance.
Wilhelm Beer - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:09:50 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Finally found something similar but it's not what I remember
More or less if 2 supermassive black holes are merging, the accretion discs can merge into a quazar that will blow all matter away from the holes so nothing will fall into the black holes, effectively neutralizing their pull for a short amount of time.

But this isn't exactly the article I remember. I think I might be suffering from false-memory syndrome which is weird because my memory is usually flawless and I assure you that I'm not just pulling this out of my ass (aka lying).

I really can't find it but I know I fucking saw it. This is frustrating.

Just from my speculation, since Hawking radiation works by 2 entangled particles approaching a black hole and only one falling in, with the other by chance flying off, the black hole loses mass, or that's as much as I understand. If we have a black hole of 10 stellar masses and throw dozens of stellar masses of entangled particles at it, the black hole would eventually evaporate completely because it's natural rate of decay by hawking radiation would have been artificially increased. I wouldn't doubt a type 3 civilization would be capable of destroying a black hole in this manner. But this isn't what I read either.
Johann Bode - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 20:36:59 EST ID:Ncnb3OJc No.54844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reading about the quasar phase was interesting, thanks.

> effectively neutralizing their pull
Though the quasar's wind blows gas away and inhibits the growth of the black hole, I don't see it as the black hole losing strength. There are other things (stars orbiting beyond the significant effects of the cosmic wind, dark matter) that continue being dominated by the black hole's gravity. I guess I'm arguing semantics.

> Hawking radiation works by 2 entangled particles approaching a black hole and only one falling in
Entanglement isn't important to Hawking radiation. Virtual particle pairs that occur very close to the event horizon can be split apart by the gravity, with one particle accreted and the other escaping. The infalling particle represents negative energy since they're virtual (add up to 0) and the escaping particle is positive (it carries mass away from the black hole). Virtual particle pairs is just one way of explaining Hawking radiation. Another is quantum tunneling, which allows particles to cross the event horizon without moving faster than the speed of light.

> throw dozens of stellar masses of entangled particles at it, the black hole would eventually evaporate
That wouldn't work. We'd be throwing mass at the black hole and it would grow. Even if we could split virtual particles pairs with an artificial event horizon, any energy we could throw would be positive, meaning the negative half of the virtual pairs would reduce our own mass.

Subject Zero by Illuminati - Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:29:13 EST ID:PNtK+lw6 No.54833 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What does this image show really?

I do belive that its space related.
Joseph Taylor Jr. - Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:01:23 EST ID:4HbkLal6 No.54834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vera Rubiin - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:02:36 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>a thermal blanket lost during an EVA
Bullshit, who brings a blanket on an EVA?

And if it is a blanket, who let the fucking clown into EVA?
Henry Russell - Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:39:10 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.54841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Several segments of the station are covered in thermal blankets, some of these need to be removed when connecting segments together.
In at least one case, several parts drifted away due to complications.

iron you say? by Henry Draper - Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:37:23 EST ID:PA4ykyUu No.54750 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've read before that asteroids contain iron, years further back than I can exactly remember... I want to share with you a rant I've engaged on instagram as it pertains to the cyanide found closer to the galactic core.
what if life on Earth came from microbes, and that the conditions on Mars and Venus were too dramatic to allow the evolution of microbes. The first wave of planets to be created by the sun were bombarded by asteroids containing microbial life, and the gravity of the planets became so strong after condensing so much that the small asteroids with little gravity began to rotate around the planets to become moons, but their gravitational field was too weak to contain microbial life, and thus the sun blew those microbes into space. Would microbes survive an impact with rocky terrain, and would the survivors of an impact be the eventual homo-sapien? or would the conditions need be a soft collision with buoyant elements such as plasmic hydrogen gas, or water? or perhaps a large icy meteor containing dna needed melting in the atmosphere of Earth and needed to be so large that the DNA itself would not be destroyed. Well, scientists have discovered that DNA can survive the heat of atmospheric conditions in indirect penetration. It seems that the DNA could not stay attached to the parts designed for wind resistance, but did survive in crevices where wind resistance has little to no factorable value.Well, then we would have to suppose in the case that a requirement is a soft collision that the liquid hydrogen core had since been subjected to temperatures so high that fusion could occur enough times for the core to become Iron, and we physically are not yet capable of testing at that magnitude. But we can use contextual evidence, such like the biogenesis theories that life did sprinkle upon the Earth as mana from the gaseous atmosphere... but what kind of atmosphere would exist strong enough to resist the explosive fusion reactions of Hydrogen to Iron? Well, it seems that iron is a product of lesser resistance to fusion by-product, if you compare the Earth's core to the surface of the sun, where fusion only occurs in the core of the sun and only photons make way to the surface, producing sun spot…
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Tycho Brahe - Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:13:15 EST ID:cwDJHXj1 No.54761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that's some ritalin-level wall of text; tldr
Georges-Henri Lemaitre - Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:12:08 EST ID:8TNpyERp No.54778 Ignore Report Quick Reply

yes, some babbling, I am incredibly lazy at this as most of my time is before or after bedtime... and disproving singularity proves difficult for a lazy fuck like me.
"fusion by-product " and the resistance thereof.:
every event follows a chain-of-command. Whether or not it is specified as a principal or an effect determines it's dimensionality, as I am attempting to undefine the hyperreality of the big bang and relocate the starting point of reality at this known location in the galaxy, where human consciousness could have began subatomically before or during a delineation of self and a host reality.

The universe being an illusion would prove my theory and my above stated points.
Jan Hendrik Oort - Tue, 09 Dec 2014 09:53:12 EST ID:uyuUt0io No.54786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>as I am attempting to undefine the hyperreality of the big bang and relocate the starting point of reality at this known location in the galaxy, where human consciousness could have began subatomically before or during a delineation of self and a host reality.
you're babbling again. simplify your points and theory to the point where they make sense to people who aren't on NBOMe, please, so we can have a discussion
Hannes Alven - Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:56:44 EST ID:h1NupmlQ No.54830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The universe being an illusion would prove my theory and my above stated points.

No, it wouldn't. Please, Just stop.
You're not re-writing physics and cosmology, you're just spouting meta-physical bullshit and labeling it a theory.
Charles Messier - Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:38:01 EST ID:LjaCs03k No.54831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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"Mana from heaven," as in fluff from the sky in the bible, as in his allegory to organic chemical rain in the early earths atmosphere as seen on Titan.

So.. flying saucers are a thing. by Fritz Zwicky - Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:35:25 EST ID:eMAv2J9C No.54813 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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and they're powered by laser beams.

"with 2 to 6 better fuel efficiency to the space shuttle"

Just..watch the whole thing, holy shit.
Johann Encke - Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:58:03 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This video is ancient.

Also, I've known this for a long time, they run on the same concept as a solar sail.

The object in OP's pic is about the size of a dinner plate.
William Huggins - Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:32:16 EST ID:5O93DDXg No.54818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
scale testing or not I want to see the results on the full sized model. Launching a bit of mass isn't hard. But launching the larger mass of a fully space ready rocket is another issue.
Joseph Taylor Jr. - Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:43:36 EST ID:eMAv2J9C No.54819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
1 year later (scaled up model)

Apparently this is considered a "Lightcraft" and it's distinct from solar sails because it's dependent on the expansion of reaction mass to accelerate rather than being accelerated by light pressure alone.

not a lot of news on this, probably not a feasible project to "launch satellites into orbit within 10 years"

Space is interesting by Tycho Brahe - Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:11:27 EST ID:R7ksFdp2 No.54798 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I really want to learn more about space, /sagan/ but the sheer vastness of the amount of information on the subject is just overwhelming to me. I could spend a lifetime just literally reading about space, different theories, the math involved with space and space travel, how stars work, if interdimensional travel is possible, astral planes... Just all of it. And to be honest it's very humbling but yet it puts things into perspective. We are less than a fraction than a blink of an eye in age to the universe, and we are beyond microscopic because the universe is so vast but yet, it would take millions of years to reach the farthest depths. Maybe I'm over-thinking this but space is just mystifying to me and there's so much to learn and I don't know where to start.
Caroline Herschel - Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:38:40 EST ID:4HbkLal6 No.54799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"to start"

does it actually matter? I mean, truly? On a cosmic scale, geographically or in size? Duration?

Space is pretty fucking interesting man.
Riccardo Giacconi - Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:50:24 EST ID:9uY/b809 No.54801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watch Cosmos, new and old. Read books by Sagan, Hawking, Tyson.
John Bahcall - Thu, 11 Dec 2014 05:04:55 EST ID:R7ksFdp2 No.54802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm going to start with those, and any other documentaries on like the history channel or discovery cause those are interesting too when they actually play them and not reality tv because everyone on cable is a sellout.

high boy by Stephen Hawking - Mon, 08 Dec 2014 02:54:07 EST ID:PCHvbwVp No.54779 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Im high off weed and painkillers right now, someone tell me what's up with other life forms in another galaxy..When will we finally come in to contact with another earth like planet? :(i
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Christiaan Huygens - Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:18:40 EST ID:Fb62S27X No.54785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>We aren't that far from developing warp travel after all
Lol what
Allan Sandage - Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:05:54 EST ID:uHtwQo5I No.54787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You don't work for Lokheed Martin, do you?
642.700.000.000 US$/ year have to go somewhere.
That's the budget of the 'murrican army according to wikipedia.
For comparisation The ISS costed about US$.
Edward Barnard - Tue, 09 Dec 2014 14:30:17 EST ID:H3af7FdZ No.54788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lockheed Martin CEO here, most of this money, not counting bonuses, fraud and blow, goes towards killing babies for oil and satanic gratification within the limits of physics, available energy and material technology. Sorry.
Bernard Burke - Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:53:03 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When you have studied the progress of science and technology for as long as I have, predicting the future becomes an art form.

Plus you have to understand that we're on an exponential curve with our progress, not a linear. If it were linearly, it would be hundreds of years, at this rate a quantum AI will invent warp travel in less than 100. It won't even be invented by humans, it will be invented by a machine.
James Elliott - Wed, 10 Dec 2014 01:15:47 EST ID:Zbe0PVOU No.54792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If we're going to be the world's greatest superpower, we damn well better have defence at the top of our priorities. Money well spent if you ask me. And as you said, it's advancing our technology at a breathtaking pace. The ISS is the public relations arm of our space program, in case you didn't know.

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