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So New Horizons.. by Joseph Lockyer - Sun, 05 Jul 2015 17:48:57 EST ID:LNoHYvqf No.55473 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Just went safe mode, for seemingly no reason. Either NASA saw something that they don't want us finding out, or some kind of aliens are trying to prevent their discovery. I mean, Pluto seems completely, artificially placed. It orbits on an entirely different plane than the rest of the planets in the solar system. I'm not a /tinfoil/ faggot, and I'm not talking about "greys". I want to have a serious discussion on the possibility of this, because I got super stoked about seeing high-res pictures of Pluto after reading about the last few developments, and this just seems too coincidental.
>pic related, newest pictures of Pluto.
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Fred Whipple - Tue, 25 Aug 2015 23:34:50 EST ID:P+fSJ1RL No.55634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55582
The universe is fucking awesome.
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Henrietta Levitt - Fri, 19 Feb 2016 14:30:10 EST ID:6M9MO6b+ No.56068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
bump for the love of asteroids
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Paul Goldsmith - Sat, 20 Feb 2016 17:11:17 EST ID:NwG2VzXF No.56071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56068
>Pluto
>asteroid

0/10
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Tadashi Nakajima - Thu, 31 Mar 2016 08:16:57 EST ID:Kz5Q207u No.56145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55492
>We have exactly one datapoint for how rationally a species capable of space flight behaves, and it's "not at all".
I know his claim is baseless, but your implication is a logical fallacy. A lack of evidence showing that species capable of space flight behave rationally is not evidence that none (can) behave rationally. Not to mention there's a huge difference between space travel at the distances required to reach us/other planets supporting sentient life, and just being able to make it into space. We don't have even a single data point at all in regards to the level of rational behavior a species capable of space flight at those distances possesses.

Your argument is shit. His might be shit too, but he's not positing that pluto is an alien space station that houses blue-visioned aliens and serves as a research lab where they perform tests on humans. Therefore, your argument is shit and your criticism of his criticism is retarded.
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Tadashi Nakajima - Thu, 31 Mar 2016 08:17:46 EST ID:Kz5Q207u No.56146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56145
rationally is not evidence that none (can) behave rationally... or necessarily would*


Where's The Flux by Edwin Hubble - Fri, 25 Mar 2016 03:54:23 EST ID:t1vMK9Uc No.56140 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852

tl;dr - star has some really odd brightening and dimming patterns inconsistent with any hitherto known natural phenomenon. The best explanation is a comet having broken up in an extremely regular pattern at a really silly angle. A possibility raised is a civilization setting up a dyson swarm, or basically a bajillion solar panels coordinating with themselves to stay in orbit and produce the energy a super advanced space faring civilization needs, but on the other hand the system is dark in infrared light suggesting that the light from the star isn't being absorbed and converted into anything (which heats things > releases infrared, because nothing is 100% efficient)


any ideas on where the infrared might be, given that it's a dyson swarm? Or opinions on the correct natural explanation?
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Robert Wilson - Fri, 25 Mar 2016 08:57:25 EST ID:Lg4ZGohn No.56141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56140
Here's some light curves for anyone interested.
https://sites.psu.edu/astrowright/2015/10/15/kic-8462852wheres-the-flux/
And this analysis helps to understand the topic:
http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/kic-8462852-models-of-transits?xg_source=activity


Moonbase 3 by Ejnar Hertzprung - Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:23:14 EST ID:+eqmThO1 No.56048 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Ran across this and thought /sagan/ would appreciate it.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAE712CF17EC14903

This is a 1973 BBC/20th Century Fox/ABC production, created by Dr. Who's Terrance Dicks. It only ran for 6 episodes, and didn't take off, mostly because it was just a little too realistic, concentrating on scientific accuracy over B.E.M.s and green bitches and space dogfights, but I thought it'd find some new fans here.
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Thomas Henderson - Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:07:57 EST ID:vH3CaGpi No.56117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This thread is why I refer people to /sagan/ or /nra/ instead of /mtv/ .
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Jocelyn Bell - Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:03:43 EST ID:jMMVdMaT No.56123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Race To Mars (Canada, 2007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qFhNR4OAtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_qglv0AOjE

Narrated by William Shatner.
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Jocelyn Bell - Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:09:46 EST ID:jMMVdMaT No.56124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Star Cops (BBC, 1987)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdHlHTi2cCM&list=PLLPeBK9pNWHSFGxIiSUMQE9E9_I5l-ZL_

Failed British cop show IN SPACE, with some of the hardest SF ever seen.
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Jocelyn Bell - Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:23:18 EST ID:jMMVdMaT No.56125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Starcom: The U.S. Space Force (1987)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsNkW0S9c-w&list=PLnRjtBU0WOyb66M9pG_8wZkHjYIUoS5to

Kind of like if G.I. Joe hired consultants from N.A.S.A..
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Russel Hulse - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:15:13 EST ID:AonVP/Hg No.56136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56066
duuuude, found a torrent of the manga and it kicks ass, highly recommended
thanks a lot!


I hate the fermi paradox by Otto Struve - Sat, 30 Jan 2016 02:53:49 EST ID:Y6cuAVAn No.55979 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The Fermi paradox is not a fucking paradox. It's completely reasonable that in a universe this large and the short amount of time we have had are ears open looking for radio broadcasts AND the fact that intelligent life evolving or even evolving with the senses that would make radio waves a logical invention for them is highly unlikely. Given what we know about how many planets are in the habitable zones of stars.

It's totally reasonable that we have not heard a thing from anyone. Maybe if we listened for like I don't know 3 million years THEN we can safely say "yes fermi was right this IS a pardox" can anyone prove this idea wrong?
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Tycho Brahe - Wed, 02 Mar 2016 07:35:46 EST ID:feK9r3AW No.56115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo3zAdXM4Tk
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Edwin Salpeter - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 18:28:04 EST ID:CI7HCp3k No.56126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It boils down to the Drake Equation and imho the probability of microbiological life evolving on habitable planets.
To quote wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis#Rare_Earth_equation
And now the tremendous pitfall:
>f_i is the fraction of habitable planets where microbial life arises. Ward and Brownlee believe this fraction is unlikely to be small.

This could be incredible small for all we know. From the current understanding of microbiology cell organelles are hypothesized to have formed from random convergence. Considering the relative size of these (in terms of number of molecules) it might turn out to be incredible improbable to happen.
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Joseph Taylor Jr. - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:34:15 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.56127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56126
But evidence of life starts very soon after the earth cooled.
This implies either those molecules are incredibly likely to occur on a scale of millions of years, and certain to occur on a scale of billions of years given pre-earthlike conditions.
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Joseph Taylor Jr. - Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:51:44 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.56128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56127
*This implies those molecules are incredibly likely to occur on a scale of millions of years, and certain to occur on a scale of billions of years given pre-earthlike conditions.
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Bart Bok - Thu, 17 Mar 2016 03:05:33 EST ID:3t/weoS/ No.56130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56127

For prokaryotes it seems the odds are in their favor, but eukaryotic life which is near required for multicellular life needed almost half the lifetime of Earth to develop. Which makes sense as they were born from symbiotic relationships between different prokaryotes, something that need specific spesializations to occur beforehand.


Is the big bang happening constanty? by John Wheeler - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 11:21:59 EST ID:D/M9znoO No.56118 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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My physics teacher has a theory that if the big bang theory then why can't it happen again
Is it possible that the universe is expanding because of big bangs are happening constantly?
How does this fit with the big bounce theory?
The first issue I see is how the big bangs are being formed and in what enviroments.
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Allan Sandage - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:24:22 EST ID:3t/weoS/ No.56119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is the big bang happening constantly?

In a way, yes. There was no definite point where whatever before went boom. Rather, the Big Bang refers to the inflation of the size of the universe, right after its inception. And by inception scientists means the time when current physical laws came into existence. As the universe (read; space itself) still increases in size, you could say that the inflation(in other words the big bang) never stopped. It just reduced its speed.

In a way, you could say that the universe is the Big Bang, as the point the concept refers to set everything in motion and thus is an extended part of it.
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William de Sitter - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 15:08:48 EST ID:pjhpxsvC No.56120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56119
I gotta add that there are hypotheses based on theoretical math that inflation is a neverending process, that is constantly spawning "universes" in different places from our universe.

I dunno man, I watched a lot of documentaries on theoretical physics when I smoked weed everyday and grew my own mushrooms and tripped every two weeks because tripping while listening to some astrophysics documentary is a fantastic way to get lost in closed-eye-visuals of space.
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Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:37:36 EST ID:D/M9znoO No.56121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56120
The universe is weird and scary.
Thanks for answering my question
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Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Sat, 12 Mar 2016 23:18:33 EST ID:D/M9znoO No.56122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56119
whoops I should have replied to you and not the other guy lol
thought you were the same didnt check ID
:333


Van Allen Belts Proven to be "to lethal to travel in" by Allan Sandage - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:13:58 EST ID:sV+7XGwN No.55944 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The Van Allen belts put out radiation that can be extremely detrimental to a persons health and could even lead to death. NASA itself has claimed it can't get through the radiation belts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/van-allen-probes-spot-impenetrable-barrier-in-space

Now that NASA has tentatively acknowledged that the Van Allen Belts can't be passed, how is it we were able to land a man on the moon?

>the answer may surprise you

New evidence shows that robotic drone type machines may have been used inside the Apollo astronauts suits while the astronauts remained safely in low earth orbit. Apollo 9 tested that astronauts could survive in low earth orbit below the 1,000 km mark where the Van Allen Belts begin.

>The clunky mechanical engineering of the time combined with the human publics unawareness of how gravity on the moon effects objects differently than on Earth lead to this kind of Qausi-hoax to be implemented.

>It was implemented not for some nefarious reason but rather to protect our astronauts from dieing the minute they entered the belts, haven't you ever wondered why they keep the International Space Station so low in orbit?
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William Herschel - Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:26:58 EST ID:NwG2VzXF No.55977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55968

That's true of any space mission, really. Imagine how the guys in Gemini felt.
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James van Allen - Mon, 15 Feb 2016 03:32:17 EST ID:f/Tl+D5o No.56056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55949 they must like their electrons fast and energetic then...
because how else are aliens going to contact us?
anyway's I was originally thinking they need clear space for experiments, and forgot about the Van Allen's.
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Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:57:58 EST ID:bUVcT3Vi No.56092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56056
The Van Allen belts would flash cook a person trying to go through them in a capsule
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Margaret Burbidge - Sat, 27 Feb 2016 13:46:11 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.56099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56092
Really?
Then how did the Apollo astronauts get through them?
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Friedrich von Struve - Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:01:24 EST ID:pgmu6mYO No.56100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56099
It's called space dipshit


LIGO Detects Gravitational Waves by William Fowler - Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:18:29 EST ID:y/fkgY/C No.56038 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://www.ligo.org/news/detection-press-release.pdf

>Based on the observed signals, LIGO scientists estimate that the black holes for this event were about 29 and 36 times the mass of the sun, and the event took place 1.3 billion years ago. About 3 times the mass of the sun was converted into gravitational waves in a fraction of a second — with a peak power output about 50 times that of the whole visible universe. By looking at the time of arrival of the signals — the detector in Livingston recorded the event 7 milliseconds before the detector in Hanford — scientists can say that the source was located in the Southern Hemisphere.

Get hype!
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George Airy - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 05:42:46 EST ID:f/Tl+D5o No.56060 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56044 Biff snucked in another trip and and we are all living in the crap time line.
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Rudolph Minkowski - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:01:09 EST ID:QDdocS9H No.56061 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56057
What happens if it breaks down or malfunctions in some other way? It would suck to wind up stranded in the middle of nowhere at night and unable to do anything because no one knows how to drive or repair cars anymore except for trained specialists.
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Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Thu, 18 Feb 2016 20:18:57 EST ID:415JX8nG No.56065 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56061

I was thinking about that too brotha, but I guess electric cars are built with a multitude of systems to create redundancy; multiple brake systems in case the pressure gets lost it one, it just switches to another system for example.

It really emphasizes how cheap mechanics have become
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William Herschel - Sat, 20 Feb 2016 17:14:58 EST ID:fDZ3h+Vd No.56072 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56065
This, incase of malfunction the cars on the road today that have autonomous driving of some sort already have systems in place that bring the car to gentle stop and ofcourse they include/would include some kind of manual control.
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Carl Seyfert - Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:51:26 EST ID:Yyh+3hGH No.56073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Inb4 assholes figure out that putting more mannequins in the path of an AI car than it's carrying passengers will cause it to decide to crash into a barrier rather than into the fake people on the road, and hackers reprogram your car for to deliver you and your valuables to a location conveniently absent of police and witnesses.


Planet Nine by Jacob Kapteyn - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:32:30 EST ID:bnm9ITDo No.55945 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Scientists have found evidence for a new, ninth planet in our solar system with a mass around ten times that of Earth. Get hype.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/20/463087037/hints-of-a-hidden-distant-planet-in-our-solar-system
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Urbain Le Verrier - Sun, 31 Jan 2016 16:29:37 EST ID:9zk8Lirz No.55993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55978
>Cable TV is bust.
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Anders Angstrom - Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:24:33 EST ID:oigSnnJc No.55994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its pretty neat in theory, but we can't fully accept it as fact until we have direct observation. Which will be incredibly hard. Think of it like this: whatever is out there is incredibly faint , even with a high albedo, due to its distance from the sun. Next, it will also be incredibly cold. If it is gaseous then its outer gas envelope will be downright frigid.

To find this object which is faint and cold, we will need very powerful infrared telescopes, which are unfortunately rather lacking right now. And also, based on the orbits of perturbed KBO's and sednoids, the object is likely at its aphelion of its orbit, meaning its at the point farthest away from the sun, making it more faint and difficult to detect.

Idk guys, people have theorized "planet nine" for quite awhile. I'll wait until they come out with a peer reviewed paper with 6σ correlations.
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A Wizard - Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:48:15 EST ID:0HhPnpAt No.55995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55994
It's a giant ball of shit for all I care
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William de Sitter - Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:35:11 EST ID:fDZ3h+Vd No.56010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55994
I've been wondering, is the Kepler powerful enough for this? If so we should find out in 2018.
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John Riccioli - Mon, 08 Feb 2016 10:36:07 EST ID:8UyygmWs No.56025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55945
i love to hear this


Pluto is a planet again by George Herbig - Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:08:55 EST ID:CLrN9E3V No.54501 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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as of oct 2nd 2014 pluto's a planet what are your thoughts /sagan/
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Bernard-Ferdinand Lyot - Sat, 06 Feb 2016 05:48:03 EST ID:cQBIryFa No.56016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56015
>Any strict border of planet/dwarf planet would be arbitrary.
Not really.
The IAU defines a planet as having enough mass so that it's gravity pulls it into a roughly spherical shape.
Pluto clearly meets this qualification (as does Ceres and many others), but fails on the second requirement: that it has cleared its orbit of similar sized bodies.
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Rudolph Minkowski - Sat, 06 Feb 2016 09:35:45 EST ID:s6y07R4Z No.56018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56016
>fails on the second requirement: that it has cleared its orbit of similar sized bodies

I'm sure we'll find earth-sized bodies sharing the same orbit and rethink that silly notion.
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Caroline Herschel - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 03:26:52 EST ID:tQX5ylFX No.56020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56014
How does it turn?
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Henry Draper - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 04:00:14 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.56021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56018
Unless they were directly opposed, they'd collide or fling eachother into funny orbits eventually. Though smaller planets further out would take longer.
There's a reason planets tend to fall into an orbital resonance.
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Thomas Henderson - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 19:40:58 EST ID:+iTpAL43 No.56022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love you Pluto


Cut and dry, Black and White (-Holes) by Space Shimapanzee - Thu, 21 May 2015 17:47:06 EST ID:KymFiCZg No.55338 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm a layperson scurrying across the floor of /sagan/, please don't annihilate me.

Is there any reason white holes would exist? From what I understand black holes just keep growing, gaining in mass and gravity magnitude in relation to their mass. Their ultra-compact density is what gives them their swag about the vacuum of space.

If white holes were real, then how would black holes continue to grow and increase their gravity? Debris, planets, stars and other space stuff 'slows' as it reaches the center of the hole as I understand it. Would that mean filling a water balloon with a tiny leak in it is a good analogy for what's theoretically happening?
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Karl Jansky - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:51:30 EST ID:gRBEStbH No.55881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55396
"A white hole is something that nothing can enter, things can only leave."

Does that then mean that nothing can leave?
Maybe the white-hole is just a firewall. It could behave like the boundry between systems that have reached maximum entropy (BH's).
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Edwin Salpeter - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:16:03 EST ID:Kw4IREJy No.55924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55875

Why can't it be entered?

I hate physics.

>"you can't I enter white hole"
>"why"
>"Eisenstein said so"
>"okay"
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Walter Baade - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:10:45 EST ID:x7oDvr/y No.55925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55924
Overly simplified version: Einstine's math allows for the opposite side of gravity, repellent gravity. Instead of pushing down on the fabric of space time and making a 'dent' it is pushing up and making a 'hill', kinda. Just like the gravity of a blackhole is strong enough to keep light from escaping, the gravity of a whitehole is repellent enough that light cannot breach it.
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:22:46 EST ID:fDZ3h+Vd No.55926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55925
Plus the fact that is one existed, the amount of energy it would be spewing out would basically make it unenterable, or even approachable.
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Paul Goldsmith - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:38:57 EST ID:O0Ehlx70 No.55927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>55338
What if White Holes only exist for a fraction of a second and in the wake of their brief existence form entire universes in a multiverse.

tl;dr the Big Bang was, in fact, a White Hole and we are all (entropy, spacetime) that endlessly falling 'hill' (as opposed to a black hole's infinite depth) that will eventually tear and fizzle.

This old ass thread was very insightful. Time for another bowl.


What are WE going to see? by Maximilian Wolf - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:00:54 EST ID:1zawVaPa No.55910 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the most advanced/coolest/most interesting space related thing our generation is going to witness?
Primitive colonies? Asteroid mining? The development of a new form of space travel?
Post your predictions.
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Charles Messier - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 22:13:20 EST ID:s6y07R4Z No.55912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55910
We are definitely going to see the rise of sentient AI within our lifetimes.
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 22:46:14 EST ID:feK9r3AW No.55913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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MAAHZZ NIGA
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Russel Hulse - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:53:11 EST ID:oigSnnJc No.55915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We'll probably see commercial asteroid mining by robots in our later years, most likely. Hopefully they dont fuck up and drop a rock on us though, would that suck or what?
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Walter Adams - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:43:18 EST ID:fDZ3h+Vd No.55916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55911
There will always be shit to fix on Earth, that can't stop us from going outwards. We've got the resources to spare.

We'll definately see atleast a man on Mars, probably the start of a colony too (never bet against Elon). Maybe a base on the moon, but my bet is that a race to Mars will be kicking off soon and the moon will be a sideshow, R&D for Mars colony tops.

Maaaaaaaaybe Skylon, not holding my breath on that one though. Ion propulsion should get much better and if we get fusion knocked down in a decade or 2 that could feasibly take us to a nifty fraction of C. Alcuibierre drive seems like a pipedream, but you never know, would require something like a fucking anti-matter power source probably, though perhaps a large enough fusion reactor would do too...

If Elon gets his MCT concept with the BFRs done & produced, space mining probably will be feasible then. 100 tons to Mars yo, could probably haul serious cargo from the asteroid belt too since it wouldn't have to fight the gravity well of Mars.

AI most likely too, don't know if superintelligent AI, depends on how fast the AGI takes off, though looking at machine & deep learning these days it'll probably take off like a rocket.

Humanity's technology is on an exponential rise, just think how much the world changed between 2005-2015 compared to 1995-2005. We probably can't even imagine the shit that will be around in 60 years.
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Heinrich Olbers - Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:21:35 EST ID:s6y07R4Z No.55964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55910
>What are we going to see?

Corn.


i don't believe in the moon by Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:53:06 EST ID:jKbCW6p+ No.55914 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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its just the back side of earth
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