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Pluto is a planet again by George Herbig - Mon, 13 Oct 2014 13:08:55 EST ID:CLrN9E3V No.54501 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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as of oct 2nd 2014 pluto's a planet what are your thoughts /sagan/
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Bernard-Ferdinand Lyot - Sat, 06 Feb 2016 05:48:03 EST ID:cQBIryFa No.56016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56015
>Any strict border of planet/dwarf planet would be arbitrary.
Not really.
The IAU defines a planet as having enough mass so that it's gravity pulls it into a roughly spherical shape.
Pluto clearly meets this qualification (as does Ceres and many others), but fails on the second requirement: that it has cleared its orbit of similar sized bodies.
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Rudolph Minkowski - Sat, 06 Feb 2016 09:35:45 EST ID:s6y07R4Z No.56018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56016
>fails on the second requirement: that it has cleared its orbit of similar sized bodies

I'm sure we'll find earth-sized bodies sharing the same orbit and rethink that silly notion.
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Caroline Herschel - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 03:26:52 EST ID:tQX5ylFX No.56020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56014
How does it turn?
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Henry Draper - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 04:00:14 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.56021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56018
Unless they were directly opposed, they'd collide or fling eachother into funny orbits eventually. Though smaller planets further out would take longer.
There's a reason planets tend to fall into an orbital resonance.
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Thomas Henderson - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 19:40:58 EST ID:+iTpAL43 No.56022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love you Pluto


Cut and dry, Black and White (-Holes) by Space Shimapanzee - Thu, 21 May 2015 17:47:06 EST ID:KymFiCZg No.55338 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm a layperson scurrying across the floor of /sagan/, please don't annihilate me.

Is there any reason white holes would exist? From what I understand black holes just keep growing, gaining in mass and gravity magnitude in relation to their mass. Their ultra-compact density is what gives them their swag about the vacuum of space.

If white holes were real, then how would black holes continue to grow and increase their gravity? Debris, planets, stars and other space stuff 'slows' as it reaches the center of the hole as I understand it. Would that mean filling a water balloon with a tiny leak in it is a good analogy for what's theoretically happening?
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Karl Jansky - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:51:30 EST ID:gRBEStbH No.55881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55396
"A white hole is something that nothing can enter, things can only leave."

Does that then mean that nothing can leave?
Maybe the white-hole is just a firewall. It could behave like the boundry between systems that have reached maximum entropy (BH's).
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Edwin Salpeter - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:16:03 EST ID:Kw4IREJy No.55924 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55875

Why can't it be entered?

I hate physics.

>"you can't I enter white hole"
>"why"
>"Eisenstein said so"
>"okay"
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Walter Baade - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:10:45 EST ID:x7oDvr/y No.55925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55924
Overly simplified version: Einstine's math allows for the opposite side of gravity, repellent gravity. Instead of pushing down on the fabric of space time and making a 'dent' it is pushing up and making a 'hill', kinda. Just like the gravity of a blackhole is strong enough to keep light from escaping, the gravity of a whitehole is repellent enough that light cannot breach it.
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:22:46 EST ID:fDZ3h+Vd No.55926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55925
Plus the fact that is one existed, the amount of energy it would be spewing out would basically make it unenterable, or even approachable.
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Paul Goldsmith - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:38:57 EST ID:O0Ehlx70 No.55927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>55338
What if White Holes only exist for a fraction of a second and in the wake of their brief existence form entire universes in a multiverse.

tl;dr the Big Bang was, in fact, a White Hole and we are all (entropy, spacetime) that endlessly falling 'hill' (as opposed to a black hole's infinite depth) that will eventually tear and fizzle.

This old ass thread was very insightful. Time for another bowl.


What are WE going to see? by Maximilian Wolf - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:00:54 EST ID:1zawVaPa No.55910 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What's the most advanced/coolest/most interesting space related thing our generation is going to witness?
Primitive colonies? Asteroid mining? The development of a new form of space travel?
Post your predictions.
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Charles Messier - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 22:13:20 EST ID:s6y07R4Z No.55912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55910
We are definitely going to see the rise of sentient AI within our lifetimes.
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 22:46:14 EST ID:feK9r3AW No.55913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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MAAHZZ NIGA
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Russel Hulse - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:53:11 EST ID:oigSnnJc No.55915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We'll probably see commercial asteroid mining by robots in our later years, most likely. Hopefully they dont fuck up and drop a rock on us though, would that suck or what?
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Walter Adams - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:43:18 EST ID:fDZ3h+Vd No.55916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55911
There will always be shit to fix on Earth, that can't stop us from going outwards. We've got the resources to spare.

We'll definately see atleast a man on Mars, probably the start of a colony too (never bet against Elon). Maybe a base on the moon, but my bet is that a race to Mars will be kicking off soon and the moon will be a sideshow, R&D for Mars colony tops.

Maaaaaaaaybe Skylon, not holding my breath on that one though. Ion propulsion should get much better and if we get fusion knocked down in a decade or 2 that could feasibly take us to a nifty fraction of C. Alcuibierre drive seems like a pipedream, but you never know, would require something like a fucking anti-matter power source probably, though perhaps a large enough fusion reactor would do too...

If Elon gets his MCT concept with the BFRs done & produced, space mining probably will be feasible then. 100 tons to Mars yo, could probably haul serious cargo from the asteroid belt too since it wouldn't have to fight the gravity well of Mars.

AI most likely too, don't know if superintelligent AI, depends on how fast the AGI takes off, though looking at machine & deep learning these days it'll probably take off like a rocket.

Humanity's technology is on an exponential rise, just think how much the world changed between 2005-2015 compared to 1995-2005. We probably can't even imagine the shit that will be around in 60 years.
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Heinrich Olbers - Sat, 23 Jan 2016 10:21:35 EST ID:s6y07R4Z No.55964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55910
>What are we going to see?

Corn.


i don't believe in the moon by Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:53:06 EST ID:jKbCW6p+ No.55914 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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its just the back side of earth
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Reason: another great thread.


Kill space rocks by Joseph Lockyer - Mon, 20 Jul 2015 06:32:20 EST ID:5RO7Hywq No.55532 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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A huge rock is headed straight for earth

We wrap a tarp around it with a space craft
Fill the tarp with a heavy gas
Once the pressure is high enough inside the tarp
We turn on rockets compressing the gass as much as possable on one side of the tarp
Then we blow up a nuke
Changing the course of the rock enough not to kill everyone on earth

Now you tell me how im wrong and feel better about the world
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Karl Jansky - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:41:49 EST ID:gRBEStbH No.55883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55882
nb
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Karl Jansky - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:42:46 EST ID:gRBEStbH No.55884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>55882
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Paul Goldsmith - Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:11:19 EST ID:415JX8nG No.55885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If asteroid mining became a big enough enterprise, could we wind up disturbing the orbits of asteroids in the inner solar system, increasing the rate of potential impacts?
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Russel Hulse - Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:18:09 EST ID:Y6cuAVAn No.55891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55883
i always love when someone HAS to mention no bumps.
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Chushiro Hayashi - Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:27:29 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55885
The asteroid belt is far more diffuse and spread out than we imagine it is.
Then again, all that travel and disruption is bound to knock some rocks loose.


You know what day it is... by Bart Bok - Mon, 09 Nov 2015 15:06:18 EST ID:X6E5uhNi No.55797 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's have a party thread.

Happy would-be 81st birthday, my friend
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Hannes Alven - Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:55:12 EST ID:sky71Ye7 No.55824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fuck Carl Sagan man.
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Daniel Kirkwood - Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:53:58 EST ID:tQX5ylFX No.55825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>55824
fuck you.
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Walter Baade - Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:42:53 EST ID:X6E5uhNi No.55826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55824
0/10
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Riccardo Giacconi - Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:31:46 EST ID:X6E5uhNi No.55830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Fred Whipple - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 20:19:12 EST ID:X6E5uhNi No.55874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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y'all are gay

bow down to our lord


Floating colonies on Venus by Arthur Eddington - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:45:02 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55850 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What does /sagan/ think of this?
I think it's a pretty fucking sweet idea. I wonder what sort of materials you could use that are both light weight and durable enough for a floating Venusian colony. I had an idea that could help with the buoyancy of the thing: non essential parts of the structure (floors and walls) could be made out of brick like objects that are either vacuum hollow or filled with a gas like helium at very low pressure. They would be brick like objects because many could be punctured without jepordizing the integrity of the station. one could also vent waste heat out the bottom and sides to create a bit of thrust.
The only major problem would be in getting people and materials to and from the colony. Then again, I suspect by the time we're in a position to build something like this, navigating the haze of the Venusian atmosphere safely won't be much of a challenge.
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Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:19:33 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55864

>When you have nearly limitless energy and raw materials on hand

World's larges caveat, I didn't know we were in the Star Track anything-can-happen universe. Yes, I meant resource extraction. Lets go get asteroids made of platinum and helium-3, not play pretend.
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Robert Dicke - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:57:33 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55865
Well obviously we need proper space infrastructure before we go colonizing and building shit all over the place. However, once that is established, everything becomes possible. I can try to dig up some articles I read about things like a Dyson swarm or asteroid mining having huge upfront costs, but massive returns in terms of energy and raw materials.
If you just fold your arms and say "well we can't do it tomorrow, so let's not even speculate about it." I frankly have no interest in talking to you.
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Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:13:19 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55866

Humans go places and do things to get stuff. Not just to do it, those emotions are just used to motivate people. Every great explorer was after land, gold, slaves, riches. I want riches. The asteroid belt is where its at.

I wouldn't want to go to Venus, there isn't anything there. You can't land on the surface, no moons, no nothing, bbbbooring. Even in your super-future there will be shit-holes no one will want to go to. Look at the US state of North Dakota, a giant frozen field full of self-destructive Native Americans, up until the last 10 year or so, it was fucking empty because all that was there was grass and nothing. But then fracking happened and then there was an oil boom and then 100,000s of people looking to get rich, and most of those people are blue collar folks with nothing else going for them. The blue collars go loose limbs getting the riches to pipe back to cities to be profits for rich owner of industry.

This is exaclty happening now, SpaceX, ULA, Virgin Galactic.

Given our lives now, i know in 300 years there will be a miserable dick job of 'asteroid miner'. So you didn't go to college and you are a physically capable young person, get your ass to space and go get some stuff.

I'm not folding my arms, I like realistic sci-fi. In your universe, I want magic powers like the force and shit.
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Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:31:04 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55866

Also, your energy source better be infinite because of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
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Robert Dicke - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:00:55 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55867
>The asteroid belt is where its at.
Well obviously colonization of Mars and Venus and the construction of space habitats would take place within the context of a well established and rapidly expanding space economy. I don't have to tell you that there is an incredible abundance of resources between Mercury and suburban Jupiter. In the midst of taking advantage of this tremendous windfall, it only makes sense to put habitable places where we can. If for no other reason than as a way station and a refuge. (think a stop for fuel or something at a space station orbiting Venus on your way from Earth to Mercury or something)

>I wouldn't want to go to Venus, there isn't anything there. You can't land on the surface, no moons, no nothing, bbbbooring
The most brutal hellscape in the solar system is boring to you? I don't want to insult you or anything, but whaaa? I don't know how any place in our solar system could be considered boring (well, aside from the MASSIVE expanses of literally nothing, but that goes without saying)
>you can't land on the surface
With currently existing caveman tech it's not a very good idea.

>Given our lives now, i know in 300 years there will be a miserable dick job of 'asteroid miner'. So you didn't go to college and you are a physically capable young person, get your ass to space and go get some stuff.
Frankly neither of us can imagine what human societies will look like in three centuries. If neo-liberal capitalism is still the default system, I'm not sure we'll even be around in three hundred years. Anyway, asteroid mining will likely be almost entirely automated. It makes more sense to have a bunch of durable, easy to produce machines hacking up rocks in space, not a bunch of frail bloodsacks who can't function in an irradiated, freezing, vacuum.

> I like realistic sci-fi
Me too. I love Star Wars, but the lore of franchises like Star Trek and Mass Effect is so much more interesting BECAUSE so much of it is plausible.
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Whats in your sky tonight?
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Maximilian Wolf - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:58:43 EST ID:wqEfwqpm No.55838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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we did it boys
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Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:45:36 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55838

bing, band, boom, nice work!


Ridiculously large coincidence by Maximilian Wolf - Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:45:55 EST ID:D1mxUOc5 No.55796 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I was playing around on SpaceEngine on my very mediocre PC and came across this view which I thought looked pretty cool so I screenshotted it (the image on the left). A day or so later I was watching SpaceEngine videos on YouTube and came across a video with the image on the right on it. I looked for the coordinates on the video but there was nothing there.

What are the chances of this? I couldn't believe it when I saw it, it's undeniably the same view, the chances of this are miniscule right? Am I the only one absolutely amazed by this?
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Isaac Newton - Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:36:01 EST ID:9cM6eJVh No.55805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meth smoke tinfoil Engine
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Riccardo Giacconi - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:07:15 EST ID:D1mxUOc5 No.55820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55804
That isn't how it works
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Galileo Galilei - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 22:45:27 EST ID:N+uGi0dP No.55842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55799
lmao coincidences are fun man, see if you can follow a trail of them to some life changing event like Kermit Michael Riggs
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Chushiro Hayashi - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:09:47 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55796

It's almost like.....like.....there is a limited number of planetary bitmaps within the software. And....and....the algorithms used to generate new planetary systems aren't.....perfect?

>Am I the only one absolutely amazed by this?

Seems as if it isn't hard to amaze you, huh?
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Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:43:27 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55796

OP, go ask /vg/. Its a game, coded by a human, with errors. hell, the project is freeware written by a handful of people. make a donation at the website and maybe you will get more of the awesome quality this software brings.


"I WANT TO STOP THE EARTH FROM SPINNING" reply by Urbain Le Verrier - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:40:23 EST ID:zy6FIvhr No.55839 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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so...
if you want to collapse the core your gonna need some VERY STRONG magnets, drills, charges (controlled as fuck as the crust isnt purely solid it has fractures & holes & allsorts which kill miners e.c.t).

First, well need to friends up or kill & impersonate someone "high up", with funds we can become a private interest in the many 'space programmes'. With the severe lack of funding NASA are recieving, they are playing ball to a lot more private interests & with their brains & techonology the charges could easily be places in the least dangerous palces meaning you dont die & can continue your mission).

To bore holes we will have to become frackers, we may need to relocate. The best places would either be the oil fields in asia as that has less crust & population to traverse or the American lands which are heavily fractured & drilled. If we impersonate or friends up the right people we will have access to underground networks, which go deeper than people think & are surprisingly stable. But once we have the licences for that, we will need similar minds to employ who hate things enough not to grass us up for depleting the polarity of the earth & reduction on key natural phases & fields.

With the resources we now currently own, not only do we not have to bury down ourselves, we can send people who hate things more than us & dgaf more than us. Reward their families amply if they get fucked up. That & we have a secure network of illegal activities intent on felling the clouds & allowing our precious shields to wander off into the vacuums of space.

Now you finally have the means to affect the polarity of the earth, you will need to connect the global power network, which there isnt yet. You would have to make one, but with our resources so far this will only take half a life time or so. Dw if you die or me there are plenty of other cunts we can trust. Now with the power, we can safely construct magnets at the entrance to the large bore holes & lower them near the crust before activating. Cables would need to be adamantium alloy as that stands up to even super heroes according to tv & comics so its pretty tough shit.

Now all which remains is for our calculation wizzes to be correct, the hardware not to fault (well have to employ asians & pay them well as were lazy & require cyanide). You now have, as I currently see it, 3 choices... which will be more effective I have not enough time to consider, like ever in my life.... You I recommend you take a shot & flip a coin, yelling fuck yeah.

A: Start both magnets at the same time in the hope this freezes the movement of molten materials & any magnetic materials will hopefully travel to the magnets, disrupting the orbital flow of the plasma & other materials. This could do nothing & just fuck every electronic ever up & stick us all to the ground via our belt buckles/tear things out of people bodies who have pins or heart tickers e.c.t
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:33:37 EST ID:oigSnnJc No.55840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What?


/THREAD. by Tycho Brahe - Thu, 21 May 2015 16:45:28 EST ID:eJc7PJV5 No.55333 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:51:05 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55333
bumping to see no one respond to this gay thread
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Thomas Gold - Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:13:52 EST ID:Z2XGH5kJ No.55831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
praise the great comet~
comets be praised and comet us some comets sowe cancomet more comets.
also,idig comets and you should too,praise comets!


Relativistic Quandary by Isaac Newton - Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:50:40 EST ID:4px0o/Io No.55260 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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A field force propagates at the speed of light forever. Suppose this field force causes a quantum reaction when it encounters certain particles. This reaction releases a gamma ray burst in all directions.

Now suppose an observer is sitting in the direction perpendicular to the asymptote of the gamma producing event. {pardon the unwieldiness here is a visual representation: )-> }

Does he notice an increment between detecting the gamma ray, and detecting the field force? Or does he experience it all at once, as an event horizon?
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Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:00:52 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55260
PLEASE GIVE ME (ZACHARY) A THEORY OR YOUR 2 CENTS ON HOW THIS SCHIZO-AFFECTIVE DISORDER MAKES TELEPATHY POSSIBLE///////////////

Thanks in advanced.
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Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:04:30 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55814
You can't deny satanic magic either.
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Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:44:12 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>55260
i believe gamma radiation made Bruce Banner into the hulk. So to answer your question to the best of my ability i'd have to say "Rev up those dicks 'cause i sure am a huge faggot!"


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