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Floating colonies on Venus by Arthur Eddington - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:45:02 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55850 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What does /sagan/ think of this?
I think it's a pretty fucking sweet idea. I wonder what sort of materials you could use that are both light weight and durable enough for a floating Venusian colony. I had an idea that could help with the buoyancy of the thing: non essential parts of the structure (floors and walls) could be made out of brick like objects that are either vacuum hollow or filled with a gas like helium at very low pressure. They would be brick like objects because many could be punctured without jepordizing the integrity of the station. one could also vent waste heat out the bottom and sides to create a bit of thrust.
The only major problem would be in getting people and materials to and from the colony. Then again, I suspect by the time we're in a position to build something like this, navigating the haze of the Venusian atmosphere safely won't be much of a challenge.
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Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:19:33 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55865 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>When you have nearly limitless energy and raw materials on hand

World's larges caveat, I didn't know we were in the Star Track anything-can-happen universe. Yes, I meant resource extraction. Lets go get asteroids made of platinum and helium-3, not play pretend.
Robert Dicke - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:57:33 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well obviously we need proper space infrastructure before we go colonizing and building shit all over the place. However, once that is established, everything becomes possible. I can try to dig up some articles I read about things like a Dyson swarm or asteroid mining having huge upfront costs, but massive returns in terms of energy and raw materials.
If you just fold your arms and say "well we can't do it tomorrow, so let's not even speculate about it." I frankly have no interest in talking to you.
Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:13:19 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55867 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Humans go places and do things to get stuff. Not just to do it, those emotions are just used to motivate people. Every great explorer was after land, gold, slaves, riches. I want riches. The asteroid belt is where its at.

I wouldn't want to go to Venus, there isn't anything there. You can't land on the surface, no moons, no nothing, bbbbooring. Even in your super-future there will be shit-holes no one will want to go to. Look at the US state of North Dakota, a giant frozen field full of self-destructive Native Americans, up until the last 10 year or so, it was fucking empty because all that was there was grass and nothing. But then fracking happened and then there was an oil boom and then 100,000s of people looking to get rich, and most of those people are blue collar folks with nothing else going for them. The blue collars go loose limbs getting the riches to pipe back to cities to be profits for rich owner of industry.

This is exaclty happening now, SpaceX, ULA, Virgin Galactic.

Given our lives now, i know in 300 years there will be a miserable dick job of 'asteroid miner'. So you didn't go to college and you are a physically capable young person, get your ass to space and go get some stuff.

I'm not folding my arms, I like realistic sci-fi. In your universe, I want magic powers like the force and shit.
Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:31:04 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55868 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also, your energy source better be infinite because of this:

Robert Dicke - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:00:55 EST ID:vB+y87GU No.55873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The asteroid belt is where its at.
Well obviously colonization of Mars and Venus and the construction of space habitats would take place within the context of a well established and rapidly expanding space economy. I don't have to tell you that there is an incredible abundance of resources between Mercury and suburban Jupiter. In the midst of taking advantage of this tremendous windfall, it only makes sense to put habitable places where we can. If for no other reason than as a way station and a refuge. (think a stop for fuel or something at a space station orbiting Venus on your way from Earth to Mercury or something)

>I wouldn't want to go to Venus, there isn't anything there. You can't land on the surface, no moons, no nothing, bbbbooring
The most brutal hellscape in the solar system is boring to you? I don't want to insult you or anything, but whaaa? I don't know how any place in our solar system could be considered boring (well, aside from the MASSIVE expanses of literally nothing, but that goes without saying)
>you can't land on the surface
With currently existing caveman tech it's not a very good idea.

>Given our lives now, i know in 300 years there will be a miserable dick job of 'asteroid miner'. So you didn't go to college and you are a physically capable young person, get your ass to space and go get some stuff.
Frankly neither of us can imagine what human societies will look like in three centuries. If neo-liberal capitalism is still the default system, I'm not sure we'll even be around in three hundred years. Anyway, asteroid mining will likely be almost entirely automated. It makes more sense to have a bunch of durable, easy to produce machines hacking up rocks in space, not a bunch of frail bloodsacks who can't function in an irradiated, freezing, vacuum.

> I like realistic sci-fi
Me too. I love Star Wars, but the lore of franchises like Star Trek and Mass Effect is so much more interesting BECAUSE so much of it is plausible.
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Whats in your sky tonight?
Maximilian Wolf - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:58:43 EST ID:wqEfwqpm No.55838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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we did it boys
Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:45:36 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55870 Ignore Report Quick Reply

bing, band, boom, nice work!

Ridiculously large coincidence by Maximilian Wolf - Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:45:55 EST ID:D1mxUOc5 No.55796 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I was playing around on SpaceEngine on my very mediocre PC and came across this view which I thought looked pretty cool so I screenshotted it (the image on the left). A day or so later I was watching SpaceEngine videos on YouTube and came across a video with the image on the right on it. I looked for the coordinates on the video but there was nothing there.

What are the chances of this? I couldn't believe it when I saw it, it's undeniably the same view, the chances of this are miniscule right? Am I the only one absolutely amazed by this?
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Isaac Newton - Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:36:01 EST ID:9cM6eJVh No.55805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meth smoke tinfoil Engine
Riccardo Giacconi - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:07:15 EST ID:D1mxUOc5 No.55820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That isn't how it works
Galileo Galilei - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 22:45:27 EST ID:N+uGi0dP No.55842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lmao coincidences are fun man, see if you can follow a trail of them to some life changing event like Kermit Michael Riggs
Chushiro Hayashi - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 16:09:47 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55846 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It's almost like.....like.....there is a limited number of planetary bitmaps within the software. And....and....the algorithms used to generate new planetary systems aren't.....perfect?

>Am I the only one absolutely amazed by this?

Seems as if it isn't hard to amaze you, huh?
Johannes Kepler - Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:43:27 EST ID:IwAsVtyx No.55869 Ignore Report Quick Reply

OP, go ask /vg/. Its a game, coded by a human, with errors. hell, the project is freeware written by a handful of people. make a donation at the website and maybe you will get more of the awesome quality this software brings.

"I WANT TO STOP THE EARTH FROM SPINNING" reply by Urbain Le Verrier - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:40:23 EST ID:zy6FIvhr No.55839 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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if you want to collapse the core your gonna need some VERY STRONG magnets, drills, charges (controlled as fuck as the crust isnt purely solid it has fractures & holes & allsorts which kill miners e.c.t).

First, well need to friends up or kill & impersonate someone "high up", with funds we can become a private interest in the many 'space programmes'. With the severe lack of funding NASA are recieving, they are playing ball to a lot more private interests & with their brains & techonology the charges could easily be places in the least dangerous palces meaning you dont die & can continue your mission).

To bore holes we will have to become frackers, we may need to relocate. The best places would either be the oil fields in asia as that has less crust & population to traverse or the American lands which are heavily fractured & drilled. If we impersonate or friends up the right people we will have access to underground networks, which go deeper than people think & are surprisingly stable. But once we have the licences for that, we will need similar minds to employ who hate things enough not to grass us up for depleting the polarity of the earth & reduction on key natural phases & fields.

With the resources we now currently own, not only do we not have to bury down ourselves, we can send people who hate things more than us & dgaf more than us. Reward their families amply if they get fucked up. That & we have a secure network of illegal activities intent on felling the clouds & allowing our precious shields to wander off into the vacuums of space.

Now you finally have the means to affect the polarity of the earth, you will need to connect the global power network, which there isnt yet. You would have to make one, but with our resources so far this will only take half a life time or so. Dw if you die or me there are plenty of other cunts we can trust. Now with the power, we can safely construct magnets at the entrance to the large bore holes & lower them near the crust before activating. Cables would need to be adamantium alloy as that stands up to even super heroes according to tv & comics so its pretty tough shit.

Now all which remains is for our calculation wizzes to be correct, the hardware not to fault (well have to employ asians & pay them well as were lazy & require cyanide). You now have, as I currently see it, 3 choices... which will be more effective I have not enough time to consider, like ever in my life.... You I recommend you take a shot & flip a coin, yelling fuck yeah.

A: Start both magnets at the same time in the hope this freezes the movement of molten materials & any magnetic materials will hopefully travel to the magnets, disrupting the orbital flow of the plasma & other materials. This could do nothing & just fuck every electronic ever up & stick us all to the ground via our belt buckles/tear things out of people bodies who have pins or heart tickers e.c.t
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:33:37 EST ID:oigSnnJc No.55840 Ignore Report Quick Reply

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Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:51:05 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55813 Ignore Report Quick Reply
bumping to see no one respond to this gay thread
Thomas Gold - Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:13:52 EST ID:Z2XGH5kJ No.55831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
praise the great comet~
comets be praised and comet us some comets sowe cancomet more comets.
also,idig comets and you should too,praise comets!

Relativistic Quandary by Isaac Newton - Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:50:40 EST ID:4px0o/Io No.55260 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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A field force propagates at the speed of light forever. Suppose this field force causes a quantum reaction when it encounters certain particles. This reaction releases a gamma ray burst in all directions.

Now suppose an observer is sitting in the direction perpendicular to the asymptote of the gamma producing event. {pardon the unwieldiness here is a visual representation: )-> }

Does he notice an increment between detecting the gamma ray, and detecting the field force? Or does he experience it all at once, as an event horizon?
Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:00:52 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55814 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Thanks in advanced.
Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:04:30 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You can't deny satanic magic either.
Fritz Zwicky - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:44:12 EST ID:Y+TLwE2a No.55816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i believe gamma radiation made Bruce Banner into the hulk. So to answer your question to the best of my ability i'd have to say "Rev up those dicks 'cause i sure am a huge faggot!"

Let us not forget... by Pierre-Simon Laplace - Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:53:43 EST ID:Z0dqdxc5 No.55789 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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... who started it all.
William Huggins - Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:01:23 EST ID:tQX5ylFX No.55790 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Come home Laika.
George Airy - Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:33:32 EST ID:PH3oCvC7 No.55793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Fictionalized comic account of the story of Laika and Sergei Korolev
spasibo tovarish Laika

Star showing signs that could be (probably aren't) alien constructions. by Giuseppe Piazzi - Wed, 14 Oct 2015 13:00:07 EST ID:ruKNVqHw No.55749 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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> “Aliens should always be the very last hypothesis you consider," Penn State astronomer Jason Wright told The Atlantic, "but this looked like something you would expect an alien civilization to build.”

Basically Kepler has observed a star with dips in it's luminosity exponentially larger than any planet would cause. Even a Jupiter-sized planet would only account for a 1% drop. But the object or objects observed by Kepler cause a drop of up to 22%, indicating an object or cluster of objects roughly half the width of the star itself.
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Kip Thorne - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:49:44 EST ID:jod01xxr No.55775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The planetary collision is a bit unlikely. As it says in the paper the chances of it happening in just 3 years of data would require every star to undergo 40 such collisions, unlikely. It also lacks an infrared excess.

The preferred explanation is a family of comets. Comet comas can get extremely large despite havering very little mass. They could also have elliptical orbits and so dodge the infrared observation from WISE. The nearby companion star could also disrupt the stars Oort Cloud.
Jan Hendrik Oort - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:58:41 EST ID:ruKNVqHw No.55776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
SETI has aimed their equipment at the star in question and apparently detected something. Right now it's all under wraps and waiting for peer review, but SETI astronomers are allegedly very excited about whatever has been detected.

It's important to note that this doesn't mean aliens, just that they detected a signal they may not have expected to hear. Allegedly, planetary collision is still the theory being carted around scientific circles. We'll know more in the coming weeks.
Alan Guth - Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:37:11 EST ID:sky71Ye7 No.55777 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Man, if this turns out to be alien stellar engineering, it would be fucking nuts!
Jan Hendrik Oort - Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:09:54 EST ID:ruKNVqHw No.55778 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Links below, but it's now moot. The statement from Gerald Harp of SETI about a repeated signal has been removed from the first link despite being present earlier yesterday. And the second link has another statement from Harp claiming his first statement wasn't accurate and there haven't been any signals at all. So we have two conflicting statements from the same man with the second statement confirming the first ones existence despite attempts to erase it.

Probably just crappy reporting, but backpedaling of this nature happens so often in regards to aliens that a little tinfoil may be permitted. It's up to you what to take from this.

Alan Guth - Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:32:39 EST ID:sky71Ye7 No.55780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Awaiting more accurate information about the way the signal before, but from an interview by "UniverseToday.com" by Dr. Gerald Harp from the SETI Institute, shows that it is a "weird periodic signal", " which although potentially natural origin but there is clearly value to examine it more closely. " Besides the natural explanation, so stressed "Universe Today", prefer Harp but also "a distant intelligent source" into consideration.

Google translated it, so sorry for the weird wording. It's interesting though, but a bit surprising that they'd discover a "weird periodic signal" so easily from 1500 light years away just like that. I'm no astronomer or anything though, so what do I know?

About the back-pedaling: I work at a university communication department, and I'd say it's likely to be a journalistic citation error. The paper isn't peer-reviewed yet so there is probably an embargo on details from the SETI study results, which would explain Harp rescinding his earlier statements. As the comment came so early in the publishing cycle of the article they're likely to yet check for errors or anomalies in the study, so making a comment about a detected signal at this point would be very unwise.

Idea for launching small payloads to obrit. by James Mother Fucking Randi !lwriJ94kMg - Fri, 25 Sep 2015 22:33:15 EST ID:3KDKAApy No.55685 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've always wanted to build a real rocket that could go to space, but it's far outside of my peasant like budget. So I've thought of what seems like a good idea for a cheap solution to launch vehicles to space.

Use a balloon to lift a small stabilized platform that has a rocket on it. The rocket launches from there into orbit.

And when I use the word platform I don't literally mean a flat launch pad but something that sort of looks like a missile launcher...idk what the technical term for that is...turret?

You could also scale this idea up for conceivably larger loads.
One problem I can see though is when the balloon goes up it would drifts away from the launch site and possibly fuck up your launch.
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Christiaan Huygens - Mon, 05 Oct 2015 18:18:44 EST ID:fYWUR8OT No.55741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You would not even be able to determine when your projectile leaves orbit due to GPS restrictions.
James Mother Fucking Randi !lwriJ94kMg - Tue, 06 Oct 2015 18:25:22 EST ID:3KDKAApy No.55742 Ignore Report Quick Reply

My method in my op is more for getting things into orbit not leaving earth orbit.
John Wheeler - Wed, 07 Oct 2015 00:18:27 EST ID:Y//WNNPR No.55743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I believe what they are saying is: this type of flight is not really possible from a simple rocket (unless you happen to have a strong AI laying around and the ability to get it to pilot your rocket, I guess). There are a lot of measurements that have to be taken throughout the flight for numerous different reasons, NASA, et al, have the ability to shine lasers at and from their rockets, along with all sorts of other atmospheric sensors both on the vehicle and on the ground to get very precise measurements which are used during the flight to make sure the vehicle is doing exactly what it needs to be doing at each moment.

A dumb rocket, even one that can generate the speed to get into orbit, is going to have a snowballs chance in hell of actually getting into orbit because it can't make any corrections mid flight; you'd have to get super lucky and have innumerable atmospheric factors be completely optimal for your rockets design for such to work.

Remote piloting or autonomous piloting could be possible if your ship also had the sensors to collect the needed data, but that's far outside of the hobbiest realm.
James Mother Fucking Randi !lwriJ94kMg - Wed, 07 Oct 2015 00:58:46 EST ID:3KDKAApy No.55744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck all that I'll just let it dumb fire and land where it may, weather it's on an orphanage or an embassy. I don't care.

Jokes aside I guess you're right about all that stuff though.
I guess this would be really only useful for short sub orbital flights.
You know, like for sending a go pro or small rodent way up there for pictures and science.
James Mother Fucking Randi !lwriJ94kMg - Wed, 07 Oct 2015 15:52:47 EST ID:3KDKAApy No.55745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
After thinking about this more, if I'm only doing sub orbital flights then GPS data should still be useful and viable since it would still be below all the sats.

Theoretic Astrophysics by John Bahcall - Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:09:31 EST ID:5ViW/6q0 No.55720 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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my new theories in the creation of, and ultimate fate, of our universe. As well as what dark energy really is; and POSSIBLY has something to do with where gravity is permeating into our universe from, since it is weaker than it should be compared to the other forces, even though that really wasn't intended to be included with the rest of the theories. I could be totally wrong on all accounts, but I do love the ideas.Here we go! (Keep in mind that we don't know what the inside of a black hole is like, certainly not a 4D black hole.. the 'polar ends' talked about here could give off gravity due to strange possibilities, like space within space... the 4D black hole that is theorized here to give us our 'spacial plane' could also be sitting inside a spacial plane itself, and it's so large that it reaches the maximum edge of its bending - on the outside of the 4D black hole)

BUT ANYWAY AGAIN, here we go.

Outside of our universe it is theorized that energy is being formed and popping out of existence continuously, at the planck scale. It's theorized this is where our quantum singularity came from. Through quantum tunneling, that tiniest of energy became the singularity that eventually birthed our universe. The problem is we don't know why it expanded in the first place, or why there was more matter than anti-matter as for us to have enough matter, a significant enough amount, as to form galaxies and the universe we know. They believe there are infinite universes, or a multiverse, with every possibility of physics realized. But I'm only concerned with our own, and the answers to these questions. Continue to read and you might agree that it is much easier for our exact universe to continuously be recreated with the exact same amount of matter as this one; which would be highly significant if true because that means the physics that produce life would also be eternally renewed, and without much time needed for it to happen in comparison to random universes. And what a pleasant thought that is.
It is my theory that not only does energy at the planck scale pop in and out of existence, but also multiple singularities constantly coming into existence as well. Keep in mind we do…
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Bernard Burke - Sat, 03 Oct 2015 00:51:43 EST ID:5ViW/6q0 No.55732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's your problem for not paying attention to the theoretic astrophysics community and how singularities come to be when there is nothing present, or the multiverse theories. Which is also why you don't understand that not all hypothesis of these people is always laid out by math. You have to create your own clues before going into the math. I don't expect everyone here to understand that.
Bernard Burke - Sat, 03 Oct 2015 00:55:53 EST ID:5ViW/6q0 No.55733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Though yes you are correct, my biggest problem facing me starting out here is why the singularities would ever collide. The exotic properties within this multiverse sheet reacting with a singularity that mostly exists within nothingness, and before having the coined 'spacial plane', will be impossibly hard to flesh out further. I'd have to get the attention of someone within the field.
Robert Dicke - Sat, 03 Oct 2015 16:22:31 EST ID:cTrnVs8H No.55735 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Why don't you go to school to be a theoretical physicist and then YOU will be that somebody in the field.
Pierre-Simon Laplace - Sun, 04 Oct 2015 17:54:10 EST ID:N+uGi0dP No.55739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
can I ask if this fits along with an idea I had where all the planets are mathematically "flat" but they bend away from you the further you go from them?

Like those old drawings of a series of flat disks on top of each other but there are 4D ways to transition from any disk to any other disk without having to go through them (going around planets after they appear sphere like due to distance bending)
Pierre-Simon Laplace - Sun, 04 Oct 2015 17:56:39 EST ID:N+uGi0dP No.55740 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I tried by Tadashi Nakajima - Sun, 27 Sep 2015 23:01:19 EST ID:NCcXgNdu No.55692 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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✓ Overcast
✓ Too late to set up tracking
✓ Sensor needs cleaning
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Joseph Taylor Jr. - Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:34:50 EST ID:mfxeJeEW No.55719 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I figured it was sunlight hitting the panels, I just haven't seen too many satellites personally, and I've never seen any get real bright and dim out twice within such a short time. Like I said, it could've been my brain playing tricks on me, but my girlfriend said she saw it change direction as well. It was like when you're going into an S-curve on a street. Just kinda veered west for a moment and then back to the original position heading south. Thanks for the explanation though. I'll keep that in mind.
Viktor Ambartsumian - Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:24:49 EST ID:9+WA5MM9 No.55724 Ignore Report Quick Reply

that sounds like an iridium flare. But also could have just been a tumbling satellite that reflects sunlight, since you said the brightness arced more than once.
Viktor Ambartsumian - Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:29:43 EST ID:9+WA5MM9 No.55725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Using ✓s instead of s
Ban this heretic
George Gamow - Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:53:54 EST ID:NCcXgNdu No.55738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Satellites would only appear to move in one direction. It was probably some high altitude aircraft or weather balloon.

In the year 2069 by G - Thu, 01 Oct 2015 01:09:01 EST ID:WHXsRUFD No.55722 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If humans are going to build a city on the moon this century it should definitely be done in 2069, if they do it in 2068 or 2070 instead it will go to waste.

It'll go down as a historical fact until the end of time that the City/Colony was founded in 2069. IMO Earth's Moon is the most romantic spot in our galaxy so it might as well be associated with 69ing.
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