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Star pussy by Henry Draper - Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:22:51 EST ID:euFuFwSC No.55507 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Venus and Jupiter June 2015 by Rudolph Minkowski - Sun, 21 Jun 2015 23:01:02 EST ID:Mx4j4tsI No.55436 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The best view in northern hemisphere for June, and not ONE thread about it?
Where are all my Venus and Jupiter observers at?
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Viktor Ambartsumian - Fri, 26 Jun 2015 23:50:37 EST ID:jOF47H5F No.55459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>But without the new model actually fitting the available data, the theory is as useful as the polemic model.

It was Kepler's vision of God communicating with mankind on a cosmic level, via recognizable geometric shapes, that incessantly drove him towards the pursuit of knowledge. He struggled through war and personal strife to get the data, not because he wanted to prove elliptical orbits (that part was incidental), but because he wanted to prove that his starry-eyed dream of a physical connection to the spiritual realm was true.

>When Greek philosophers said "lol if we divide something enough, surely we'd get to a point where we couldn't divide it anymore",

It was their way of estimating the area within complex shapes and it worked well enough for that purpose, unlike anything before. It worked so well, the Chinese reinvented it hundreds of years after the Greeks did.

People really screwed up when they made the assumption that the ancient Greeks knew all the answers, and any questions about the metaphysical weren't to be tolerated if they didn't conform to the religious teachings of the time. (seeing a pattern yet)

>"what if the universe is a high-dimensional object constantly rotating within itself" doesn't make any testable predictions, explain any data, etc.

But it might make people take the same data that's in front of all of us and see it in a new light. And as history has repeatedly shown, they might even stumble upon a world-shattering discovery in the process, which happens to hold true in reality.
Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:57:09 EST ID:L3OB90Tk No.55464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>-Cosmic Inflation: What the fuck drives the expansion of the universe, and why is everything flying away from us? Is it just an observers bias that has been unnoted?

You're confusing a few things there. Inflation is not the expansion of the universe, it was a very rapid stage of expansion in the very early universe which ended shortly after. What drives the expansion of the universe is like momentum, it was expanding so continues to now. What drives it's accelerating is a different question loosely dubbed dark energy which is really a name for any model which sets to explain it.

>He struggled through war and personal strife to get the data

He stole his data from Tycho. It think you're getting carried away with artistic licence.
Chushiro Hayashi - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:16:18 EST ID:jOF47H5F No.55465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>He stole his data from Tycho.

In the end that's ultimately what he had to do, but you're conveniently disregarding everything he went through up until that point. Maybe you should read up about the man some time.
Karl Jansky - Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:44:29 EST ID:0TqljQT/ No.55467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No. He didn't have to do anything, he chose to. Just as you chose to neglect the fact his data was stolen and accuse me of ignoring history. Pot? Black?
Personal difficulty does not change the facts, Kepler was brilliant but the data was stolen.

And no the sentence "the universe is a high-dimensional object constantly rotating within itself" isn't going to cause anyone to stumble onto some new cosmology, it's so vague it doesn't many anything, it's technobabble.
Tadashi Nakajima - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 14:34:06 EST ID:S0k+HZwt No.56907 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yes, some things you morally HAVE to do(would you watch your significant other (or self) be tortured over and over again, while unbound and free with a cell phone? No you'd be compelled to do something different, or your guilty of doing nothing when a huge injustice is being done(injustice is an open ended term I know) and you can do something about it... Or guilty of being a sadist/masochist.

The shape of Galaxies. by Nicolaus Copernicus - Sun, 14 Jun 2015 00:27:54 EST ID:kfQx+w9j No.55402 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So if I'm correct, every galaxy has a supermassive black hole at the center of it. Every galaxy was once an active Quasar and then cooled after the black hole at the center of the galaxy spewed and consumed all the matter around it. So if a black hole has angular momentum at the center of a galaxy, does that mean the galaxy would result in a spiral shape? And would non rotating black holes instead form more of an irregular galaxy shape? I'm thinking in terms of galaxy evolution and the various shapes different galaxies take. Cheers.
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William Huggins - Fri, 26 Jun 2015 22:06:49 EST ID:LmQ6qdUZ No.55458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All about spirals:
Charles Bolton - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:39:16 EST ID:P+fSJ1RL No.55460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That fucking pic. I always knew the galaxyy was huge. Had no real concept until I started playing elite dangerous, the playable world contains the estimated 400 billion stars of the milky way. Viewing the map is an awe inspiring and simultaniously crushing experience. Now I see this fuckin pic.

Why do we still live on one planet?
Roger Penrose - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 09:38:23 EST ID:IQY0YtFB No.55461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Eventually the spiral forms take shape of malicious code and Avira antivirus will detect them as false positives, You should try a Linux Distro, OP.
Just sayin'
Henry Draper - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:23:21 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.55462 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Space is big and also hard.
Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:38:04 EST ID:L3OB90Tk No.55463 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You're both sort of right. Before major mergers when galaxies shave a lot of gas and are actively forming stars most of the big ones are spirals, some of the small ones can be irregular bit that's a different story. Left to it's on devices a spiral will not evolve or normalise into an elliptical.

A major merger is when two roughly equally sized galaxies collide and merger. It is believed elliptical form major mergers of spirals. As part of this merger the gas is usually stripped out and star formation shuts down with nothing to make stars out of (After the merger is finished). When it reaches a steady state it will be an elliptical, it will not evolve back into a spiral. The reason ellipticals have older stars is because they don't form any new ones, the oldest stars in each galaxy will not be significantly older or younger than the other.


Frame dragging is a tiny effect, it doesn't affect things like that.

Aw Shit by Giovanni Cassini - Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:51:11 EST ID:KlwZpL5U No.55418 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just started work at MIT, working on the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite [TESS] program. Ask me stuff about space & shit, I can answer it for you.
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Jan Hendrik Oort - Wed, 17 Jun 2015 22:38:24 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.55424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Any idea when the launch date is?
Jan Hendrik Oort - Wed, 17 Jun 2015 22:45:49 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.55425 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Whoops, missed your earlier post.
Fred Hoyle - Fri, 19 Jun 2015 06:44:57 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.55426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Do you feel the current method of detecting planets in the habitable zone is exhaustive enough to extrapolate an upper bound on how frequently rocky planets where water exists in all three phases occur, at least for certain classes of stars?

Also, did you get a cool mission patch?
William Herschel - Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:26:23 EST ID:KlwZpL5U No.55427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good question!
This mission is designed to find candidate star systems for follow up observation by more sophisticated telescopes, like the JWST or GMT. What this means is that our mission is to simply characterize and catalogue as many candidate systems as possible. After speaking with a professor on the program yesterday, he explained that simulations of one year of operation showed a potential catologue of up to 75 earth mass exoplanets, up to 150 between earth and Neptune mass, and more in the Jupiter size class.
However, These candidates are going to be in orbit around the best candidate stars for water to exist, namely red dwarfs and smaller main sequence stars. It is hard to say which ones could have all three phases. At least what TESS can tell you is the mass, period, and a brief sniff of the atmosphere (if you subtract the star spectra before a transit from the spectra during a transit, you get a vague idea of the atmosphere composition).

Alas I have not gotten my patch yet. I'm hoping to score a TESS patch and a CHANDRA patch, cause that's' another one of our missions.
William Herschel - Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:27:25 EST ID:KlwZpL5U No.55428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm also on my phone, so, sorry for the wall of text with no format.

HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING by Caroline Herschel - Sun, 01 Jun 2014 00:36:25 EST ID:VdooM9pB No.53894 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What do you think would happen if highly intelligent, stronger, more powerful aliens made contact with earth right now and told us the meaning of life.
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Edwin Salpeter - Fri, 03 Oct 2014 04:19:18 EST ID:SknUZfy5 No.54465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Interesting point. Baruch Spinoza talks about this a little bit
Bombastus !!HToBa9dh - Tue, 02 Jun 2015 23:20:47 EST ID:v/Qs9FSo No.55380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Read Slaughterhouse Five.
Then go watch "Absolution" with Steven Seagal.

One will give you the meaning of life. And one will make you realise it's not worth it.
Friedrich Bessel - Wed, 03 Jun 2015 01:40:52 EST ID:/Tm3UOch No.55381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We'd reject that, obviously.
Our meanings are superior anyway.
Russel Hulse - Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:57:03 EST ID:415JX8nG No.55382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The meaning of life is subjective.
The meaning of our lives to aliens could be rather demeaning to our sense of ourselves and I doubt aliens are going to tell us we are to rule the universe or whatever.
I think life has a general role to play in the future of the universe, as it is a natural byproduct of the Big Bang, but I don't think that would even manifest itself through mere biologic organisms. I think a mastery of quantum technologies will have a dramatic effect on the biology/physiology/psychology of humans.
We're still apes, smart apes for sure, I might even argue that we're great apes, but still just apes
Joseph Taylor Jr. - Sat, 06 Jun 2015 22:21:11 EST ID:9Jg5Dok5 No.55389 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Who knows? Lulu Amelu have been created by gods from apes to be their slaves, but they rebelled and evolved

and we may evolve further. or embrace our half-ape nature and be forever as we are now. that is meaning, too.

BOINC by INTERPOL !3mB4iDBpWw - Sun, 24 May 2015 00:38:44 EST ID:kiOQuM9F No.55362 Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey all

I just got a new video card and decided to fire up the old BOINC to see how it stacks up to the old ones I had. At the zenith of my BOINC days I had x2 5970's doing 4 workunits, one for each GPU, every 1:30-2:00 minutes each. This 7990 that I just got is doing 2 workunits in 12 seconds for the easy ones and 30 seconds for the longer ones, but they have them mixed in with each other. So in the time it took to draw a 3d map of the cosmos in one unit for my old setup if I only counted one card, my new one is doing the work of just over 4 of my old cards in the same amount of time.

Is there still any interest in this now that Bitcoin shit the bed finally? We can start using our unused CPU and GPU cycles again for science if you want to join the team, we have teams for most of the major projects, Rosetta, Milkyway, Primegrid, etc.
George Gamow - Tue, 26 May 2015 09:03:53 EST ID:0IM2ydyR No.55370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I should stop being lazy and get into this now that you've reminded me.
INTERPOL !3mB4iDBpWw - Wed, 27 May 2015 23:09:31 EST ID:kiOQuM9F No.55373 Report Quick Reply

2 days plugging away at it on and off (not even really trying), I'm already in the top 300 out of nearly 3 and a half million people in recent credit.
Edwin Salpeter - Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:31:35 EST ID:lHGvTKQL No.55378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cool beans, interpol.

I like to say "boinc" and I like what they're trying to do but my graphics cards sucks balls, so keep up the good work!

The coldest spot in the known universe by Mike Brown - Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:29:09 EST ID:KfBom9VV No.52948 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>NASA researchers are planning to create the coldest spot in the known universe inside the International Space Station.

>Researchers like Thompson think of the Cold Atom Lab as a doorway into the quantum world. Could the door swing both ways? If the temperature drops low enough, "we'll be able to assemble atomic wave packets as wide as a human hair—that is, big enough for the human eye to see." A creature of quantum physics will have entered the macroscopic world.
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Jacob Kapteyn - Mon, 11 May 2015 12:14:24 EST ID:1K+dACgX No.55307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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100 PK is their target. I think that the previous experiment proved one could reach that temperature. This experiment is intended to test what would happen at that temperature. Those are different objectives.
Tycho Brahe - Thu, 14 May 2015 18:36:20 EST ID:w6CPIdmV No.55319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That pic is screwed. The pieces in Chinese Chess are placed on the intersections of the lines, not inside the squares. nb
Cecelia Payne-Gaposchkin - Mon, 18 May 2015 20:13:18 EST ID:1K+dACgX No.55325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Western audiences wouldn't get the reference using any other board, but the philosophy behind ancient Chinese chess aphorisms remains, hence the disconnect between what is seen and what is heard.
Heinrich Olbers - Tue, 26 May 2015 22:01:17 EST ID:3/OhnWkk No.55371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No guys, it's my fucking ex girlfriends heart.
Walter Baade - Wed, 27 May 2015 22:59:37 EST ID:jOF47H5F No.55372 Ignore Report Quick Reply

the coal of space colonies by Robert Dicke - Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:11:33 EST ID:415JX8nG No.55023 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I recently came across a wikipedia article on carbonaceous chondrites, a particular kind of asteroid.

But what makes these awesome is that they are up to 20% water, contain amino acids (which is very interesting), and sulfur compounds and other biologically useful compounds.

To me it seems readily apparent that these things could of fueled the formation of life during the earths construction. But if these things brought life to earth, shouldn't we bring them to planets and moons we colonize? I mean, work backwards man.

A cool thought is that the first asteroid we bring to mars will be the beginning of its inevitable terra formation
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Chushiro Hayashi - Sat, 23 May 2015 04:02:13 EST ID:301QhKfM No.55360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Edward Pickering - Sat, 23 May 2015 23:51:45 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.55361 Ignore Report Quick Reply


Yes, I'm aware this is disputed, but it does explain why Venus's plate tectonics stopped, if it ever had any.
Alan Guth - Mon, 25 May 2015 02:59:25 EST ID:415JX8nG No.55367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe we could build a giant lens in between mars and the sun. Tons of giant sheet like lenses layered over a huge distance, possibly all the way inside mercury's orbit, set up kind of like the death stars planet destroyer. The ones closer to the sun would be a mix of the future lenses and mirrors, concentrating the photons into a series of additional sheet lenses inbetween the sun and mars. The lenses in this part would play two primary functions, further concentrate the sun, and also block protons emanating from the sun, (assuming protons actually move in a straight line from the sun, I have a hunch they don't.)
Of course it would be a massive infrastructure project, be we're terraforming baby. The technology I'm talking about will also be here soon, if not on this scale.
Bernhard Schmidt - Mon, 25 May 2015 03:36:19 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.55368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Objects closer to the thing they orbit have a shorter period, though slower velocity than objects further out.
The interaction between two object's orbits produces 5 areas where technically an object could sit relative to the planet. In practice, objects don't remain there for very long (Lagrange 1 and 2 are particularly unstable) until reactions with the other bodies and the solar wind pulls them out, except for Jupiter, because Jupiter is fucking massive.
Any large sheets put outside a magnetic field in space will function like a solar sail, being pushed back by the solar wind it catches/deflects.
Magnetic sails work the same way, except they use an imbalanced in charged particles captured in a magnetic field to deflect charged particles.
Alan Guth - Mon, 25 May 2015 11:15:15 EST ID:415JX8nG No.55369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I thought about that after I posted it, can't just stick whatever I want wherever I want, there are no arbitrary orbits

What if real space is whats outside this reality? Oh God this is driving me nuts by Mike Brown - Wed, 20 May 2015 02:17:19 EST ID:ipV4Szrg No.55327 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What if this reality (all of its dimensions which are interconnected) exist in a vacuum like we observe outside of the limits of Earth, but on a higher scale?
And what if BEINGS like "angels" or "gods" existed in this "space"?
Could any "being" from this realm ever exist in this new concept of "space"?
What implications does this have on philosophy, on religion, on spirituality, on the meaning of life in general?
If this was somehow proven to be true, what is the purposed of living here on a smaller, obviously now inferior scale?
Is it meaningless to think of such a thing in this life, even if it was real?
Even more importantly does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Mike Brown - Wed, 20 May 2015 02:27:36 EST ID:ipV4Szrg No.55328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know Im so tired but id like to say that upon contemplation this makes astrology make sense on this scale if you believe in God and a holy plan...but ofc if your atheist..then its idk, thats why im up at 1:30 AM posting this.
Bernard-Ferdinand Lyot - Thu, 21 May 2015 01:49:06 EST ID:+riOIIIU No.55331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you are always in "space" at any given time. you are already out side. Stop looking within or above for answers. Simply look around and observe.
Tycho Brahe - Thu, 21 May 2015 17:07:26 EST ID:eJc7PJV5 No.55335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP next time you're gonna fly somewhere, take the window seat of a plane and watch out the window as it takes off...
Allan Sandage - Fri, 22 May 2015 11:36:01 EST ID:oFxIIvpQ No.55349 Ignore Report Quick Reply


You're right.
Don't smoke a pound of DMT your first time, right....
This kinda thinking only leads to one place eventually...
Arthur Eddington - Fri, 22 May 2015 17:43:29 EST ID:eJc7PJV5 No.55353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Smoking a pound of DMT is stupid... IMO it would be better to take progressively large doses each time, and to space things out. High speed mental re-formatting is fun as fuck but don't give the people at D.A.R.E. the opportunity of using your misuse to give a bad name for DMT

cause science by Georges-Henri Lemaitre - Sat, 09 May 2015 05:30:50 EST ID:PbKyoTEf No.55282 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Maybe I'm just too uneducated of a pleb in the realm of physics to see why this isn't the case, but can someone explain to me why, if we need to adjust our models with something that is 97% at least partially empirically unsubstantiated (dark matter-energy) then why don't we question first if there is some flaw in our model or bias in our thinking?
Thought experiment to exemplify: for the most part, we as biological beings as well as our most advanced instrumentation can detect faster than light particles in only the most abstruse ways; our perception, as is perhaps natural given our evolutionary heritage, is tuned to light. Might the supposition that no (or only special) particles go FTL be an example of circular thinking? Could not the existence of small but significant portions of the universe moving faster than light at any given time, such as ships from interstellar civilizations, or perhaps natural ftl phenomena which is invisible to our photon based instrumentation, account for the observed matter-energy discrepancy (given that an ftl object would disporportionately displace and deflect photons compared to any object moving in normal space, and that, if such ftl worked on means of creating geometric distortions in spacetime such as the Alcubierre drive, produce a net distortion on the observed mass of the universe by the fact of their mass negating local spacetime frames. )
This idea is cobbled together from wikipedia articles, some post-sec hard sciences, watching too much star trek and being turnt the fuck up. If someone more versed in physics can explain to me why there is a very good reason this cannot be the case, I'd very much like to hear it.
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Caroline Herschel - Tue, 12 May 2015 11:44:32 EST ID:vm/hJ7FL No.55314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not >>55309 but,

>> I am not calling them arrogant for no reason, but a very specific reason; the way they distribute the expenditure of their time and resources between pursuing the current prevalent theory, and investigating possible alternatives.

Pray tell, why would a field, any field, deviate very far from what their data and evidence is telling them? Alternate theories should be searched for yes, but in the confines of what the evidence is saying, not wasting time and money on a wild goose chase wherein the goose might not even exist.
Edwin Hubble - Tue, 12 May 2015 19:04:26 EST ID:RVWMYu65 No.55315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't lie, you asked why is dark matter the hypothesis that's winning. In order to explain that I need to tell you about the standard model.

>I am not calling them arrogant for no reason, but a very specific reason; the way they distribute the expenditure of their time and resources between pursuing the current prevalent theory, and investigating possible alternatives.

People who disagree with you are not arrogant. Cosmology is plenty diverse but you only get money for big experiments when you have something to show for it. It is not anyone else's job to spend their career on bullshit to satisfy your need to "diversity" the field. I you have a wacky idea go test it yourself. Alternatives exist and are tested.

>my claim of massaging was directed as a claim of potential bias throughout the system of statistical science, owing to observational and heuristic effects

Backtracking and handwaving. Massaging the data is not experimental bias, it is active and conscious manipulation to mislead. You are not confusing terms you are making extremely serous accusations without a shred of evidence. The reason I come back to methodology is because you made started throwing around slander like this.

>How is pointing out potential bias unhelpful?

You're not pointing to bias. You're pointing to the idea that bias could exist. NO FUCKING SHIT. Sating the obvious is not helpful. If you were actually pointing to a source of bias I would be happy but your pointing to the concept.
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Edwin Hubble - Tue, 12 May 2015 19:14:35 EST ID:RVWMYu65 No.55316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not exactly. Dark energy is most commonly explained by the presence of a cosmological constant. It's a term in Einstein's GR which falls out in the derivation, Einstein famously used it to fix a relativistic universe to be static when really the equations would predict a collapsing or expanding universe in the presence of matter only. The cosmological constant seems perfectly capable of doing the job but there are concerns with it and particle physics. In a sense the cosmological constant is gravity as we understand it today.

The next idea is to remove the issues with particle physics and set the cosmological constant to zero. It is replaced with modifications to Einstein's gravity at large scales. These other gravitational models can also describe dark energy as it is observed.

The other idea is of course 5th forces like quintessence. These are often harder to test but predictive models of them do exist.

This is why dark energy experiments are so big right now because cosmology has built a bridge to particle physics and the fundamental forces can be tested on the largest scales.
Daniel Kirkwood - Fri, 15 May 2015 16:17:06 EST ID:AKbZww5z No.55320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree, this is a waste of time. This thread has clearly already come to it's conclusions, mostly through just reiterating your own thoughts so loudly that any idea I was articulating got drowned out. For all the shit you know, you are really fucking dumb as a brick and painfully -- dangerously -- narrow minded. If you can't see the circular arguments in your own statements, I feel sorry for you son. Keep worshipping at the scientism altar for as long as you like. Good luck with that.
Nb because this thread was shittrolled into never really discussing the matter of the OP.
Annie Cannon - Sun, 17 May 2015 19:05:23 EST ID:X4AXKa/R No.55323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Your entire argument is circular as I pointed out. When pressed for evidence all you do is dig the hole deeper and deeper and gradually add insults as sophism fails.

Spacecoach by James Elliott - Mon, 11 May 2015 03:37:52 EST ID:1ALY54rn No.55304 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anyone else hear about this idea, I think its pretty clever. Building non-atmospheric water ice/liquid inflatable craft and using the water as a low thrust high impulse engine fuel. This design also, potentially, solves other issues like hull integrity, radiation shielding, self-sustainable life support and maybe even supplying oxygen and hydrogen gases.


Why aren't we building a moon base yet? by Bernard-Ferdinand Lyot - Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:51:23 EST ID:2JDq4Uoe No.55162 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So hear me out guys, getting on the moon is seriously important.

Why is it so expensive and difficult for us to send things to space? It's because of 2 things, breaking free from the Earth's gravity and surviving re-entry into the atmosphere. All of our rockets, satellites, space probes, etc. have to have a massive amount of fuel and ablative armor.
The moon is located in a strategically beneficial spot, right at the top of Earth's gravity well. Once we spend the initial capital to establish a permanent or semi permanent settlement on the moon, the door to space really opens.
We can then design our spacecraft without the need for massive thrust and armor, and wont need to spend nearly as much fuel to get around out there. It doesnt take much to move an object through space, and breaking free of the moon's gravity is exponentially easier than breaking free from Terra. And moving resources from the moon to earth is even easier, just a little push and they fall back to earth on their own. With even a tiny colony on the moon to act as a port of sorts, the trouble of monetizing space mining is essentially solved. Not to mention the insane amount of solar power that can be gotten from the raw, unfiltered power of the Sun.

We need to do this guys, we're quickly running out of several natural resources, rare earth metals in particular, which we're only just beginning to rely heavily on (theyre used in just about any battery, especially phone batteries and electric cars) and they can all be found in the asteroid belt. The Moon is the answer, and it's right at our doorstep. If we could get there in the 60's with the computing equivalent of a dollar store calculator, then we have no excuses to not go with today's technology.

>TL;DR- fuck solving world hunger or social issues, lets just go to the moon.
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Robert Wilson - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:17:46 EST ID:hfHw2FxQ No.55243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's the rub. We need robots to set up all the essential resource harvesting before we get there. Of course if we can do that it's that much more difficult to convince the short sighted that humans need to go at all.

Besides that, present day humans just aren't suited to space. Homo Transfiguro (the cyborgs and bioborgs) will remake their puppets to suit the environment they're moving to as much as possible, and they'll (mostly the cyborgs) have much lower requirements for food, water and oxygen.
Bernhard Schmidt - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:43:38 EST ID:sky71Ye7 No.55244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Homo Transfiguro

And even then I have a feeling those that go out into space will only be people with special interest. When you got a system wide automated infrastructure delivering resources to Earth, why go out there at all?
Robert Wilson - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:39:12 EST ID:hfHw2FxQ No.55245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Do you think the "Earth will not be habitable forever, we need to move on" message will get through to the politicians and other idiots? Nevermind the religious nuts who want the apocalypse to happen.
Walter Baade - Tue, 05 May 2015 09:56:18 EST ID:vRWwm6cm No.55277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You still have to get all the fuel and stuff to the moon, and assemble it there. May as well just do the same thing with LEO if you're going to space anyway.
Fritz Zwicky - Thu, 07 May 2015 09:07:36 EST ID:llcsDD25 No.55280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But that's wrong Walter, it's already there. There's an initial investment of resources sure, but that's true of anything.

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