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Europa Mission by Ejnar Hertzprung - Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:04:09 EST ID:Y3T9nNnZ No.56318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anyone else hyped for the Europa mission?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqTaDCt_F1Y

The US gov't has given NASA $30 millon to go poke around up there. They're gonna try to scoop up ejecta and see what's in it. I haven't been this interested in a mission since the Titan lander.
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Heinrich Olbers - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 08:44:50 EST ID:mk2O49eg No.56387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Still no tunnelling sea-worm? Didn't they have plans for that?
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Tadashi Nakajima - Sat, 24 Sep 2016 23:25:07 EST ID:G90mnHNk No.56475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can't fucking wait. Couldn't imagine alien life being discovered in my life-time. This makes it possible.
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Joseph Lockyer - Tue, 27 Sep 2016 03:37:52 EST ID:OXINl/7g No.56481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56387
That's something that's still a ways off. The technology is in development and they've done a few proof-of-concept-type tests in Antarctica, but it would be the most ambitious unmanned mission ever undertaken. The current mission that's slated for launch around 2022 is just a multiple flyby in orbit around Jupiter. Not a lander or anything.
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Arno Penzias - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:57:36 EST ID:SnhrtUnd No.56488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56318

way to sent billions of dollars into space on a rocket when people are starving on earth. how can you?
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William de Sitter - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:03:40 EST ID:rszf0FN0 No.56490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56488
Do you think not sending them on the rocket will in any way turn that money into food in peoples mouths?
Way to send billions of dollars (like, 200x as many) into missiles and bullets that just get shot into holes in the ground while people are starving on earth. how can you?
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Walter Adams - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 21:47:24 EST ID:Kz5Q207u No.56491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56490
Especially when the budget for all things space is completely and utterly dwarfed by the budget for defense and war.
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Hannes Alven - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:13:40 EST ID:tQX5ylFX No.56492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56491
>.05% of your tax dollar at work.

It's almost like space things are do it your self science experiments with that price tag.
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Henry Russell - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 19:02:22 EST ID:Kz5Q207u No.56555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56488
Ignoring what I already said about the amount of tax money space shit gets, a lot of people forget that the people that get paid for all of the materials, the people that mine them, refine them, do whatever to them, and the people that deliver them, and the people that make the shit we're spending into space themselves, and the money they have to spend to get the knowledge and skill to put that shit together in the first place all get to feed themselves and their families with that money. That's not billions of dollars wasted, it's billions of dollars redistributed to all kinds of people who need the money to live.

Honestly, arguments that claim spending a lot of money on something is wasteful when it could be used to feed starving people are just feel-good, condescending "gotcha" questions. They aren't thought out at all, and the person presenting that argument just looks ignorant for making it.
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Henry Russell - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 19:05:43 EST ID:Kz5Q207u No.56556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56555
> and the people that make the shit we're spending into space themselves
sending*

Also, as an addendum, I would say the only time you could make that argument and it be somewhat sensible is if you are referring to making things that kill people. Then again, if people die, there is competition for food, so even then the argument doesn't work in the context of it referring specifically to how the money could be used to feed people.
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John Wheeler - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 04:05:44 EST ID:10QI3ruX No.56557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56555
It's a better and more coherent argument without adding the addendum to it. In large part because there's something going on here with research that acutally can make a diffrence.

Think about it, we could finally have an acutal confirmation of alien life, that would start up so much industry. The acutal want for space exploration has to fall down to when does it get to be intresting for private companies, this could be the tipping point. What does that mean? If private companies start pouring into the field, that means that there will be lots and lots of jobs created, these people will need people to do even the simple small jobs.

If you want to look at the entire cycle of space exploration possibly finally becoming the next big thing, this could be the starting point for that. And the industy for that could easily change the current economic future for a lot of people. We should be wanting space exploration to ramp up, not shutting it down.
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William Herschel - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 05:10:14 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.56558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56557
What incentive would life provide for private companies to invest in space exploration?
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James Christy - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 20:20:15 EST ID:10QI3ruX No.56559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56558
You've gotta think about the big picture here. Life in space, sustainable places for people to live, things that could be mined (cause yes humans will eventually sap away from everywhere they vist and live) its like the cycle of industrialization starting up again. But only this time, its going to be on other planets. Mars colonization is the first step to this, discoveries in space will prod on intrest, and in the end, we'll end up with a very much diffrent existance as human beings. Mankind can spread out to the stars, and make colony after colony, thats how I envision it.
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William Lassell - Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:15:00 EST ID:OXINl/7g No.56616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56558
There's probably no direct incentive outside of advertising (Company X went to Europa, so buy our shit because we're awesome like that). But these are all kinds of scientific benefits that might also be good for a private company down the road: pharmaceuticals, materials science, genetic engineering, etc. Plus just having the infrastructure in place in capitalize on new sources of ET-related income if/when they figure one out would allow you to get in on the ground floor, so-to-speak.
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Astrobiology Student - Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:14:22 EST ID:UuJsarOA No.56671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am! In fact, my Astrobio class had to do mission proposals for a few bodies to search for potential life. My group got Europa, so we came up with the porbe part of CLIPPER that congress asked for. Yes NASA is doing their own that hits the counsel next moth, but its a school project. Let me know if anyone is interested in the presentaton!
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Fred Whipple - Fri, 10 Feb 2017 04:24:21 EST ID:tNU6hJcf No.56781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56671

please, share some of the key details
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George Gamow - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 22:54:10 EST ID:U3oyeBRN No.56788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56318

I'm waiting for Triton Sample Return.


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