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Islamic magic by Emma Buzzspear - Thu, 18 May 2017 14:49:05 EST ID:wZfd35ci No.73349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sufism stuff post it here things about summoning Jinn for wishes and stuff

Also things on cursed Islamic objects and places like Saddam Hussein's blood Qur'an.

I read the whole Qur'an and practicing magic is a good way to get h8ed by Allah apparently but the Sufis do it and so do other sects like Ismaeli'sm.

Prayer is ofcourse the ultimate form of Islamic wish-granting as you ask Allah for help with "each and every thing" but for history and research purposes I want to know what more esoteric stuff there is.
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Emma Buzzspear - Thu, 18 May 2017 14:52:17 EST ID:wZfd35ci No.73350 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>73349

OP picture is not the blood Qur'an btw it is just a bloodspattered Qur'an from a warzone.

Having a hard time finding pics of said Qur'an.
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Jarvis Sicklebury - Fri, 19 May 2017 18:20:22 EST ID:Hzg2SRGk No.73352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i can't take any of this shit seriously after playing Oblivion
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Cedric Surringfin - Sat, 20 May 2017 03:57:29 EST ID:E+xhxU97 No.73353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>73349
Sufism is actually interesting. These guys are the arab version of Sophian gnostics, the word Sufi being analogue to Sophia. They've influenced everyone from National Socialist Germany (Midnight Sun = Black Sun) to the damned hippie movement with the spinners at the dead concerts. Really an interesting bunch, and coming from me, someone who outright states that Islam is evil and Muhammad was a monster, that says a lot. Look into their doctrine of the 7 rays, the Theosophical society pretty much agreed with them.
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Ernest Murdford - Sat, 20 May 2017 23:28:24 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3e39WLzwgA

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdPpU-qnZw

Best scholarly introduction to the subject you'll probably find on youtube by an Arab researcher.

Basically, Islamic "magic" (you have to be careful using that term since for many Muslims "magic" is forbidden) or more specifically Islamic theurgy involves the invocation of the names of God and his angels or saintly servants in order to do things like heal the sick and what not.

Summoning Jinn is normally seen as Goetia, but the problem with branding all Jinn summoning as "black magic" is that one is applying the dualism of white and black magic from the Western tradition to another tradition that has a different understanding of good and evil. Islam, whether Shi'ite or Sunni, is probably a little closer in its understanding of the nature of good and evil to Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism and other further Eastern religious traditions. The Jinn are a good example of this. While many Arab and Muslim folk beliefs tend to see all Jinn as potentially dangerous, technically Jinn are either good, evil or anywhere inbetween as like humans they possess the nature of free will that allows them to mix the good with the evil, and so there may be many tiers of Jinn whose personalities can't be easily pidgeon holed into hard categories of good and evil. Basically, the Islamic understanding of "demons" if Jinn may be called that, is much closer to the original meaning implied by the Greek word "daemon" which prior to Christianity which saw all daemons of the ancient world as fallen angels in the service of Satan, daemon usually just referred to spiritual beings that sat in some nebulous region between humanity and the gods. For Islam, Jinn were not evil as a rule, and the Qur'an discusses Jinn becoming fellow believers, but because they are like humans, having free will and strong emotions like anger, lust and pride, but just posses greater magical power to deceive and do people harm, they are seen as dangerous to get too involved with. For example, a jinn might not be a Shaytan/Satan but might still get angry at being disturbed. Some Jinn might be more amorous and might attack all those of the opposite sex who get near the human they've taken a sexual liking to.

Angel summoning was seen by the theurgists as more secure as there was no doubt for the Islamic mind that angels were pure beings, free of all sin, being made of light, not possessing free will and being devoid of those material/animal faculties that men and Jinn possessed as a result of their compositions from bases of earth and fire respectively. Likewise, the great Islamic saints and prophets could be invoked because they were pure as well. Those men who had purified themselves of all sin were seen as greater than any angel or jinn and certainly could be relied upon for aid far more than a random fire spirit. Jinn summoning was something that was seen as only proper for those of sound mind and faith and something only to be relied upon in situations of necessity.
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Charlotte Cranderstutch - Sun, 21 May 2017 11:43:15 EST ID:ajZsG2Bx No.73356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>73353

>Sufism is actually interesting. These guys are the arab version of Sophian gnostics, the word Sufi being analogue to Sophia. They've influenced everyone from National Socialist Germany (Midnight Sun = Black Sun) to the damned hippie movement with the spinners at the dead concerts. Really an interesting bunch, and coming from me, someone who outright states that Islam is evil and Muhammad was a monster, that says a lot. Look into their doctrine of the 7 rays, the Theosophical society pretty much agreed with them.

Mhm, Sufism tends to appeal to those who otherwise don't like Islam which, as a Muslim can irritate me because I see leftists intent on using Sufism as a prop to go "durr this is how Islam can be normalized guiz" which is disrespectful. You see a lot of Wahhabist Imams talking about how Sufism isn't Islam too. Sufi shrines are often victimized by terrorist attacks. It causes ideological problems for people.

The Sufis had a lot of interaction with the Gnostics, especially during the Crusades. The Cathars were heavily influenced by them.

The Sufi opinion on Mohammad is that he was a perfect man though and a lot of the mystic nature of Sufism comes from a... zen-like understanding of Mohammad's actions, seen as monstrous and violent compared to the West's Christ (Jesus is a prophet in the Qur'an though). Mohammad's actions are characterized as containing unfathomable wisdom not capable of being emulated by any human in spirit. The actions can be repeated but will not be Mohammad's wise actions no matter how closely they mirror them, this is the Sufi view.

But it doesn't stop there.

There are other sects of Islam that decry this as Mohammad worship, which is antithetical to the message of the Qur'an, namely that Allah, God, is the only perfect Divine being in existence. Those with this view see Mohammad as a man, inspired by God but not God, just as the Qur'an states repeatedly that Jesus is not God, neither is Mohammad. They were men, capable of folly and sin. Evidence of this can be found in Hadiths where Mohammad expressed fear of Allah's judgment as he approached death.

That is the major problem with Sufism in my mind, deification of Mohammad. Deification of Mohammad is done in many Muslim schools of thought though and is a mistake according to the Qur'an. He was not perfect and was never meant to be perfect.

Still, Sufism's practices interest me.
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Charlotte Cranderstutch - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:09:56 EST ID:ajZsG2Bx No.73357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>73354

Thankyou.

Islamic black magic interests me too, in case that was not clear. I've read the Qur'an cover to cover and there are numerous warnings against it, especially of using any method to divine the future, stating twice that those who do it will be "pursued by a blazing flame from heaven". The interpretation of this in my copy of the Qur'an, written by a British Muslim is that those who attempt to divine the future will feel a burning frustration at inability, but I've personally experienced it as an actual burning feeling after attempting divination that kept me awake for weeks on end and was absolutely torturous. I could smell my flesh cooking.

The warning against divining the future in the Surah Al-Jinn actually speaks directly to Jinn, not humans, warning them to not do this, which is interesting as evidence that the Qur'an was written not just for humans but for Jinn which, like you explained, have free will and lives of their own.

What is expressedly forbidden in the Qur'an was often violated by Muhammad, mainly in sexual matters so this different understanding of good and evil is a factor. It is why the Sufi refer to him as a perfect man, due to their different interpretation of the Qur'an, not that the law is not the law but that violating it was part of life, and iswhy other elements of Islam have a hatred of Sufism. Similar to the hatred of the Gnostics in Christianity, with their belief that sin must be committed to fully know God, to achieve Gnosis. It is a complicated matter but I think the best thing to gather from it is Mohammad's intense fear of Allah. He was terrified of God and his revelations were accompanied by fits of madness that reflected this terror.

Could you elaborate on Jinn becoming sexually involved with humans? What more do you know about this?

Invoking Muslim holy men and women is definitely Sufi and another reason for the exclusion of Sufism from other Muslim groups. My favorite Sufi saint is Rabia of Basra, for her superior understanding of duality and fierce devotion to God. The angels, namely Gabriel, are important and their association with the cardinal stars of the Zodiac (along with the Qur'an's warning against using astrology) ties into the Sufi dualistic principal.
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Charlotte Cranderstutch - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:15:15 EST ID:ajZsG2Bx No.73358 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>73357

That burning feeling I should clarify, was accompanied with successful divination attempts, further reinforcing the dualistic principal in my mind. If Mohammad Asad, the British Muslim author of my Qur'an was correct in his assumption, I should've merely been frustrated and unsuccessful. I'm interested in putting my divination to the test of science but am worried about the burning. Last time it drove me into a mental hospital.
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Ernest Murdford - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:52:09 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>73357
>The warning against divining the future in the Surah Al-Jinn actually speaks directly to Jinn, not humans, warning them to not do this, which is interesting as evidence that the Qur'an was written not just for humans but for Jinn which, like you explained, have free will and lives of their own.

>Could you elaborate on Jinn becoming sexually involved with humans? What more do you know about this?

Just as in the Christian West, many monks believed that demons such as incubi and succubi lurked to encourage monks and priests to violate their oaths, many in the Islamic world to this day believe that it is possible for jinn and humans to become sexually involved with one another. In some schools of Islamic law, marriage between a human and a jinn is considered to be not only theoretically possible but perfectly legal, though many others disagree with. Folk beliefs and superstitions in the Middle East and other parts of the Islamic world also speak of the possibility of jinn/human hybrids and it's not that uncommon for some women of let's just say questionable character to try to explain their sudden pregnancies as a the product of a randy jinni that came to them in the night. A good reference point for these folk beliefs is probably the Book of Tobit found in the (Catholic) Bible which features the story of a young woman named Sarah whose suitors are always murdered by a jealous demon named Asmodeus. While it might seem strange to cite the Book of Tobit for a particularly Islamic belief, it's important to understand that the Judean concept of the "shedim" or "unclean spirit" is much closer to the Islamic belief in the jinn than the Christian belief in the fallen angels and that these sorts of folk tales of spirits becoming enamored with a human of the opposite sex are pretty much stables of Semitic and Mesopotamian religion.

>Invoking Muslim holy men and women is definitely Sufi and another reason for the exclusion of Sufism from other Muslim groups. My favorite Sufi saint is Rabia of Basra, for her superior understanding of duality and fierce devotion to God. The angels, namely Gabriel, are important and their association with the cardinal stars of the Zodiac (along with the Qur'an's warning against using astrology) ties into the Sufi dualistic principal.

Traditionally Sufism was an integral part of the social fabric of Sunni Islam. While it had its detractors, on both the popular and elite levels of Islamic society, beliefs that are now labeled as "Sufi" were pretty much a part of general Islamic belief. The reason Sufis are considered almost something separate from mainstream Sunni Islam now has a lot to do with recent developments in the Islamic world, particularly the rise of rationalistic modernism and fundamentalist reformism, both of which are united in their contempt for much of the traditional Islamic beliefs and customs, Sufi or no, including the practice of things like alchemy, astrology, geomancy, talismans & theurgy which have always been mostly considered to be perfectly legitimate islamic sciences and were practiced by both the plebians and elites and Sufis and non-Sufis of Islamic society for generations and still remain an important part of folk customs where more traditional Islamic belief and practice still remains strong.
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Jack Fanson - Mon, 22 May 2017 05:49:45 EST ID:iNAg2NiM No.73371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Tue, 23 May 2017 02:12:06 EST ID:mZRog3cp No.73376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yall need to read some Rumi, the original spinning dervish. He is my absolute favorite poet.

""One day a Sufi sees an empty food sack hanging on a nail. He begins to turn and tear his shirt, saying, food for what needs no food!! a cure for hunger!!. His burning grows and others join him, shouting and moaning in the love-fire. An idle passerby comments, "it's only an empty sack." The Sufi says, leave. You want what we do not want. You are not a lover. A lover's food is the love of bread, not the bread. No one who really loves, loves existence. Lovers have nothing to do with existence. They collect the interest without the capital. No wings, yet they fly all over the world. No hands, but they carry the polo ball from the field. That dervish got a sniff of reality. Now he weaves baskets of pure vision. Lovers pitch tents on fields of nowhere. They are all one color like that field. A nursing baby does not know the taste of roasted meat. To a spirit the foodless scent is food. To an Egyptian, the Nile looks bloody. To an Israelite, clear. What is a highway to one is disaster to the other.""

""You are not as satifiied as you pretend! You're the snake and the snake charmer at the same time, but you don't know it. You're charming the snake for money, and the snake is charming you""

""Creation was spoken with one sound, BE. The two letters, B and E, to record it, came after. The meaning of it's sound and its resonance are one.""

""The Chinese and the Greeks were arguing as to who were the better artists. the king said, " We'll settle this matter with a debate", the Chinese began talking, but the Greeks wouldn't say anything. They left. The Chinese suggested then that they each be given a room to work on with their artistry, two rooms facing each other divided by a curtain. The Chinese asked the king for a hundred colors, all the variations, and each morning they came to where the dyes were kept and took them all. they Greeks took no colors. "they are not part of our work". They went to their room and began cleaning and polishing the walls. All day every day they made those walls as pure and clear as an open sky. There is a way that leads from all colors to colorlessness. Know that the magnificent variety of the clouds and weather comes from the total simplicity of the sun and the moon. The Chinese finished and they were so happy. They beat their drums in the joy of completion. The king entered their room, astonished by the gorgeous color and detail. The Greeks then pulled the curtain dividing the rooms. The Chinese figures and images shimmeringly reflected on the clear Greek walls. They lived there, even more beautifully, and always changing in the light.""


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