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Islamic magic by Emma Buzzspear - Thu, 18 May 2017 14:49:05 EST ID:wZfd35ci No.73349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sufism stuff post it here things about summoning Jinn for wishes and stuff

Also things on cursed Islamic objects and places like Saddam Hussein's blood Qur'an.

I read the whole Qur'an and practicing magic is a good way to get h8ed by Allah apparently but the Sufis do it and so do other sects like Ismaeli'sm.

Prayer is ofcourse the ultimate form of Islamic wish-granting as you ask Allah for help with "each and every thing" but for history and research purposes I want to know what more esoteric stuff there is.
Emma Buzzspear - Thu, 18 May 2017 14:52:17 EST ID:wZfd35ci No.73350 Ignore Report Quick Reply

OP picture is not the blood Qur'an btw it is just a bloodspattered Qur'an from a warzone.

Having a hard time finding pics of said Qur'an.
Jarvis Sicklebury - Fri, 19 May 2017 18:20:22 EST ID:Hzg2SRGk No.73352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i can't take any of this shit seriously after playing Oblivion
Ernest Murdford - Sat, 20 May 2017 23:28:24 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3e39WLzwgA

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpdPpU-qnZw

Best scholarly introduction to the subject you'll probably find on youtube by an Arab researcher.

Basically, Islamic "magic" (you have to be careful using that term since for many Muslims "magic" is forbidden) or more specifically Islamic theurgy involves the invocation of the names of God and his angels or saintly servants in order to do things like heal the sick and what not.

Summoning Jinn is normally seen as Goetia, but the problem with branding all Jinn summoning as "black magic" is that one is applying the dualism of white and black magic from the Western tradition to another tradition that has a different understanding of good and evil. Islam, whether Shi'ite or Sunni, is probably a little closer in its understanding of the nature of good and evil to Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism and other further Eastern religious traditions. The Jinn are a good example of this. While many Arab and Muslim folk beliefs tend to see all Jinn as potentially dangerous, technically Jinn are either good, evil or anywhere inbetween as like humans they possess the nature of free will that allows them to mix the good with the evil, and so there may be many tiers of Jinn whose personalities can't be easily pidgeon holed into hard categories of good and evil. Basically, the Islamic understanding of "demons" if Jinn may be called that, is much closer to the original meaning implied by the Greek word "daemon" which prior to Christianity which saw all daemons of the ancient world as fallen angels in the service of Satan, daemon usually just referred to spiritual beings that sat in some nebulous region between humanity and the gods. For Islam, Jinn were not evil as a rule, and the Qur'an discusses Jinn becoming fellow believers, but because they are like humans, having free will and strong emotions like anger, lust and pride, but just posses greater magical power to deceive and do people harm, they are seen as dangerous to get too involved with. For example, a jinn might not be a Shaytan/Satan but might still get angry at being disturbed. Some Jinn might be more amorous and might attack all those of the opposite sex who get near the human they've taken a sexual liking to.

Angel summoning was seen by the theurgists as more secure as there was no doubt for the Islamic mind that angels were pure beings, free of all sin, being made of light, not possessing free will and being devoid of those material/animal faculties that men and Jinn possessed as a result of their compositions from bases of earth and fire respectively. Likewise, the great Islamic saints and prophets could be invoked because they were pure as well. Those men who had purified themselves of all sin were seen as greater than any angel or jinn and certainly could be relied upon for aid far more than a random fire spirit. Jinn summoning was something that was seen as only proper for those of sound mind and faith and something only to be relied upon in situations of necessity.
Charlotte Cranderstutch - Sun, 21 May 2017 11:43:15 EST ID:ajZsG2Bx No.73356 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Sufism is actually interesting. These guys are the arab version of Sophian gnostics, the word Sufi being analogue to Sophia. They've influenced everyone from National Socialist Germany (Midnight Sun = Black Sun) to the damned hippie movement with the spinners at the dead concerts. Really an interesting bunch, and coming from me, someone who outright states that Islam is evil and Muhammad was a monster, that says a lot. Look into their doctrine of the 7 rays, the Theosophical society pretty much agreed with them.

Mhm, Sufism tends to appeal to those who otherwise don't like Islam which, as a Muslim can irritate me because I see leftists intent on using Sufism as a prop to go "durr this is how Islam can be normalized guiz" which is disrespectful. You see a lot of Wahhabist Imams talking about how Sufism isn't Islam too. Sufi shrines are often victimized by terrorist attacks. It causes ideological problems for people.

The Sufis had a lot of interaction with the Gnostics, especially during the Crusades. The Cathars were heavily influenced by them.

The Sufi opinion on Mohammad is that he was a perfect man though and a lot of the mystic nature of Sufism comes from a... zen-like understanding of Mohammad's actions, seen as monstrous and violent compared to the West's Christ (Jesus is a prophet in the Qur'an though). Mohammad's actions are characterized as containing unfathomable wisdom not capable of being emulated by any human in spirit. The actions can be repeated but will not be Mohammad's wise actions no matter how closely they mirror them, this is the Sufi view.

But it doesn't stop there.

There are other sects of Islam that decry this as Mohammad worship, which is antithetical to the message of the Qur'an, namely that Allah, God, is the only perfect Divine being in existence. Those with this view see Mohammad as a man, inspired by God but not God, just as the Qur'an states repeatedly that Jesus is not God, neither is Mohammad. They were men, capable of folly and sin. Evidence of this can be found in Hadiths where Mohammad expressed fear of Allah's judgment as he approached death.

That is the major problem with Sufism in my mind, deification of Mohammad. Deification of Mohammad is done in many Muslim schools of thought though and is a mistake according to the Qur'an. He was not perfect and was never meant to be perfect.

Still, Sufism's practices interest me.
Charlotte Cranderstutch - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:09:56 EST ID:ajZsG2Bx No.73357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Islamic black magic interests me too, in case that was not clear. I've read the Qur'an cover to cover and there are numerous warnings against it, especially of using any method to divine the future, stating twice that those who do it will be "pursued by a blazing flame from heaven". The interpretation of this in my copy of the Qur'an, written by a British Muslim is that those who attempt to divine the future will feel a burning frustration at inability, but I've personally experienced it as an actual burning feeling after attempting divination that kept me awake for weeks on end and was absolutely torturous. I could smell my flesh cooking.

The warning against divining the future in the Surah Al-Jinn actually speaks directly to Jinn, not humans, warning them to not do this, which is interesting as evidence that the Qur'an was written not just for humans but for Jinn which, like you explained, have free will and lives of their own.

What is expressedly forbidden in the Qur'an was often violated by Muhammad, mainly in sexual matters so this different understanding of good and evil is a factor. It is why the Sufi refer to him as a perfect man, due to their different interpretation of the Qur'an, not that the law is not the law but that violating it was part of life, and iswhy other elements of Islam have a hatred of Sufism. Similar to the hatred of the Gnostics in Christianity, with their belief that sin must be committed to fully know God, to achieve Gnosis. It is a complicated matter but I think the best thing to gather from it is Mohammad's intense fear of Allah. He was terrified of God and his revelations were accompanied by fits of madness that reflected this terror.

Could you elaborate on Jinn becoming sexually involved with humans? What more do you know about this?

Invoking Muslim holy men and women is definitely Sufi and another reason for the exclusion of Sufism from other Muslim groups. My favorite Sufi saint is Rabia of Basra, for her superior understanding of duality and fierce devotion to God. The angels, namely Gabriel, are important and their association with the cardinal stars of the Zodiac (along with the Qur'an's warning against using astrology) ties into the Sufi dualistic principal.
Charlotte Cranderstutch - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:15:15 EST ID:ajZsG2Bx No.73358 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That burning feeling I should clarify, was accompanied with successful divination attempts, further reinforcing the dualistic principal in my mind. If Mohammad Asad, the British Muslim author of my Qur'an was correct in his assumption, I should've merely been frustrated and unsuccessful. I'm interested in putting my divination to the test of science but am worried about the burning. Last time it drove me into a mental hospital.
Ernest Murdford - Sun, 21 May 2017 12:52:09 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The warning against divining the future in the Surah Al-Jinn actually speaks directly to Jinn, not humans, warning them to not do this, which is interesting as evidence that the Qur'an was written not just for humans but for Jinn which, like you explained, have free will and lives of their own.

>Could you elaborate on Jinn becoming sexually involved with humans? What more do you know about this?

Just as in the Christian West, many monks believed that demons such as incubi and succubi lurked to encourage monks and priests to violate their oaths, many in the Islamic world to this day believe that it is possible for jinn and humans to become sexually involved with one another. In some schools of Islamic law, marriage between a human and a jinn is considered to be not only theoretically possible but perfectly legal, though many others disagree with. Folk beliefs and superstitions in the Middle East and other parts of the Islamic world also speak of the possibility of jinn/human hybrids and it's not that uncommon for some women of let's just say questionable character to try to explain their sudden pregnancies as a the product of a randy jinni that came to them in the night. A good reference point for these folk beliefs is probably the Book of Tobit found in the (Catholic) Bible which features the story of a young woman named Sarah whose suitors are always murdered by a jealous demon named Asmodeus. While it might seem strange to cite the Book of Tobit for a particularly Islamic belief, it's important to understand that the Judean concept of the "shedim" or "unclean spirit" is much closer to the Islamic belief in the jinn than the Christian belief in the fallen angels and that these sorts of folk tales of spirits becoming enamored with a human of the opposite sex are pretty much stables of Semitic and Mesopotamian religion.

>Invoking Muslim holy men and women is definitely Sufi and another reason for the exclusion of Sufism from other Muslim groups. My favorite Sufi saint is Rabia of Basra, for her superior understanding of duality and fierce devotion to God. The angels, namely Gabriel, are important and their association with the cardinal stars of the Zodiac (along with the Qur'an's warning against using astrology) ties into the Sufi dualistic principal.

Traditionally Sufism was an integral part of the social fabric of Sunni Islam. While it had its detractors, on both the popular and elite levels of Islamic society, beliefs that are now labeled as "Sufi" were pretty much a part of general Islamic belief. The reason Sufis are considered almost something separate from mainstream Sunni Islam now has a lot to do with recent developments in the Islamic world, particularly the rise of rationalistic modernism and fundamentalist reformism, both of which are united in their contempt for much of the traditional Islamic beliefs and customs, Sufi or no, including the practice of things like alchemy, astrology, geomancy, talismans & theurgy which have always been mostly considered to be perfectly legitimate islamic sciences and were practiced by both the plebians and elites and Sufis and non-Sufis of Islamic society for generations and still remain an important part of folk customs where more traditional Islamic belief and practice still remains strong.
Jack Fanson - Mon, 22 May 2017 05:49:45 EST ID:iNAg2NiM No.73371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Tue, 23 May 2017 02:12:06 EST ID:mZRog3cp No.73376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yall need to read some Rumi, the original spinning dervish. He is my absolute favorite poet.

""One day a Sufi sees an empty food sack hanging on a nail. He begins to turn and tear his shirt, saying, food for what needs no food!! a cure for hunger!!. His burning grows and others join him, shouting and moaning in the love-fire. An idle passerby comments, "it's only an empty sack." The Sufi says, leave. You want what we do not want. You are not a lover. A lover's food is the love of bread, not the bread. No one who really loves, loves existence. Lovers have nothing to do with existence. They collect the interest without the capital. No wings, yet they fly all over the world. No hands, but they carry the polo ball from the field. That dervish got a sniff of reality. Now he weaves baskets of pure vision. Lovers pitch tents on fields of nowhere. They are all one color like that field. A nursing baby does not know the taste of roasted meat. To a spirit the foodless scent is food. To an Egyptian, the Nile looks bloody. To an Israelite, clear. What is a highway to one is disaster to the other.""

""You are not as satifiied as you pretend! You're the snake and the snake charmer at the same time, but you don't know it. You're charming the snake for money, and the snake is charming you""

""Creation was spoken with one sound, BE. The two letters, B and E, to record it, came after. The meaning of it's sound and its resonance are one.""

""The Chinese and the Greeks were arguing as to who were the better artists. the king said, " We'll settle this matter with a debate", the Chinese began talking, but the Greeks wouldn't say anything. They left. The Chinese suggested then that they each be given a room to work on with their artistry, two rooms facing each other divided by a curtain. The Chinese asked the king for a hundred colors, all the variations, and each morning they came to where the dyes were kept and took them all. they Greeks took no colors. "they are not part of our work". They went to their room and began cleaning and polishing the walls. All day every day they made those walls as pure and clear as an open sky. There is a way that leads from all colors to colorlessness. Know that the magnificent variety of the clouds and weather comes from the total simplicity of the sun and the moon. The Chinese finished and they were so happy. They beat their drums in the joy of completion. The king entered their room, astonished by the gorgeous color and detail. The Greeks then pulled the curtain dividing the rooms. The Chinese figures and images shimmeringly reflected on the clear Greek walls. They lived there, even more beautifully, and always changing in the light.""
Phyllis Sovingfuck - Sat, 27 May 2017 00:01:13 EST ID:BzqIQmfd No.73394 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Very funny.


So I learned a little more about Jinn and apparently in their world they behave much the same way we do and not only have sex but reproduce, get married, have families and so on.

The Book of Tobit's case is interesting, in that Jinn will in documented exorcism cases possess people and become 'protective' of them, often saying to the exorcist that the person is their friend.

Much of astrology owes its developments to the Arab world, the Arabic Parts for example, the Part of Fortune being integral to any natal chart reading, far more important and telling of a native's nature than the Sun sign. When thinking of my person in astrological terms I refer to the Part of Fortune.

I'm very interested in actual ritual magic guidelines though.

I know that performing a very basic elementary Qur'anic exorcism can be done by reciting Surah Al-Falaq and Surah An-Nas.

Here is Al-Falaq, The Rising Dawn;

I seek refuge with the Sustainer of the rising dawn, from the evil of aught that He has created and from the evil of the black darkness whenever it descends and from the evil of all human beings bent on occult endeavors

It is of course more helpful to recite it in Arabic.

Of course to say it as one bent on occult endeavors oneself, Allah protects us who study the occult.
Phyllis Sovingfuck - Sat, 27 May 2017 00:03:16 EST ID:BzqIQmfd No.73395 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Ah yes Rumi, Islamic Zen poetry. Magical in its own sense.
Nicholas Sendleson - Sun, 28 May 2017 05:50:09 EST ID:/lgitk0w No.73399 Ignore Report Quick Reply

More understanding;

Iblis, Satan, is a Jinn made from smokeless fire. He did not bow to Adam, in fundamentalist Islam this is just seen as an example of Iblis' evil nature but Sufism has a greater understanding; that Allah tested Iblis by giving him a command to bow to a being other than Allah and Iblis, choosing to be righteous, refused. Instead of simply relenting, Allah further tested Iblis by sending him to hell, where he still refused to bow. In Sufism, the understanding is Iblis is being tested and no human being should expect Iblis to bow to them, as this would be against Allah's true will, to have no being bow to no being except Him.

When Iblis was cast out of Heaven Allah decreed he would no longer have authority over the Angels, beings made from light, so he created shayateen, the demons, beings made from smoke in order to serve him and the Jinn who followed him.
Phyllis Dartwell - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 09:04:11 EST ID:/X4Naa3O No.73417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hedda Gaffingpitch - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 01:57:24 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73425 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Rumi is good but kind of overrated. He's mostly as well known as he is because he established a Sufi order that was well patronized by the Ottomans and because he was most readily translated into European languages. Some would argue Hafiz, Sadi, Ferdowsi and Omar Khayyam have produced much greater work.
Hedda Gaffingpitch - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 02:27:17 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That isn't THE Sufi understanding, but it is one Sufi interpretation. Most orthodox Sufis tend to hold Iblis in contempt. That sounds more like the Yazidi story of Malek-Taus, which probably does derive from Sufi speculations on the nature of Iblis and his fall.
Graham Brallydod - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:46:38 EST ID:WmWYAiRF No.73428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm of the opinion that Sufism is based on the eastern Dharma religions, and given an Islamic front to avoid persecution. When I read their work, I don't hear the Quran. I hear Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism.
Nell Turveywater - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 00:08:36 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All Sufism is based on an esoteric reading of the Qur'an. The two can't be separated. The reason you hear those religions is probably because you've been conditioned to look at the Qur'an and those religion in a particular manner. For those who have been ingrained with the idea that the Qur'an is merely a book of Law and not a mystical text with any allegory to it and who have been conditioned to see Islam as simply a religion of the sword or a simple religion of do's and don't's, it' s understandable that some see Sufism's origins as coming from outside, especially if they hold a view that religions themselves are merely a byproduct of history and not rooted in a transcendent truth beyond history. If you look at the mystical traditions of all religions, they all start to sound very similar because on a certain level, they all likely share a common spiritual origin or are all made by human beings who will naturally through various forms of reasoning and philosophizing will eventually come to similar conclusions as human beings living on a completely different side of the globe.

You should read a Qur'anic commentary by a traditional Sufi scholar sometime. You'll find that the Qur'an is pretty much the basis of every Sufi theory of metaphysics out there. There is for sure some historical borrowing, but this is likely due to the fact that Sufis were often missionaries for Islam and, similar to the Manichaeans of the Pre-Islamic period, were attempting to reconcile and establish connections with the religions that were a part of the cultural fabrics of where they went. In China for example, many Sufi Muslims had to try to translate their religious ideas into the philosophical dialect of the predominant Confucian culture, but the fact that there is that Confucian element to Chinese Sufism doesn't take away its thoroughly Islamic character.
Henry Claywell - Sat, 03 Jun 2017 03:02:58 EST ID:UU9SpiF5 No.73431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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More like Amun-Ra.
Rebecca Tootdock - Sun, 04 Jun 2017 03:01:33 EST ID:e/Qy6vHf No.73437 Ignore Report Quick Reply

That's Hafez, a Hafiz is someone who has memorized the Qur'an in its entirety in Arabic.

Great list for literature though.
Rebecca Tootdock - Sun, 04 Jun 2017 03:07:39 EST ID:e/Qy6vHf No.73438 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>That isn't THE Sufi understanding, but it is one Sufi interpretation

Thank you, my mistake.

>Yazidi story of Malek-Taus

That is remarkably similar, maybe I am closer to the Yazidi in my interpretations than the Sufi.

>Yazidis revere Tawûsê Melek for his independence and believe that God's command to Tawûsê Melek was a test to see if he understood his own majestic and sublime nature.

The Yazidi have some wild beliefs about Tawuse Melek;

>After he repented, he wept for 7,000 years, his tears filling seven jars, which then quenched the fires of hell. Yazidis believe Tawûsê Melek is not a source of evil or wickedness. They consider him to be the leader of the archangels, not a still-fallen nor a still-disgraced angel, but a forgiven one and an emanation of God himself. They also hold that the source of evil is in the heart and spirit of humans themselves, not in Tawûsê Melek.

So it seems they hold no spirit in contempt nor seeing any great evil in the spirit realm. An interesting perspective, I can see why some would call them devil worshipers, especially if one has experienced evil from the spirit world.
Rebecca Tootdock - Sun, 04 Jun 2017 03:09:38 EST ID:e/Qy6vHf No.73439 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Could you provide some Sufi commentaries on the Qur'an?
Rebecca Tootdock - Sun, 04 Jun 2017 03:20:08 EST ID:e/Qy6vHf No.73440 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Too much contact with non-Yazidis is also considered polluting. In the past, Yazidis avoided military service which would have led them to live among Muslims, and were forbidden to share such items as cups or razors with outsiders. A resemblance to the external ear may lie behind the taboo against eating head lettuce, whose name koas resembles Yazidi pronunciations of koasasa. Additionally, lettuce grown near Mosul is thought by some Yazidis to be fertilized with human waste, which may contribute to the idea that it is unsuitable for consumption. However, in a BBC interview in April 2010, a senior Yazidi authority stated that ordinary Yazidis may eat what they want, but holy men refrain from certain vegetables (including cabbage) because "they cause gases".

So they're a very closed and secretive culture who don't like farting and don't believe in hell.

They sound harmless, no wonder ISIS singled them out.
John Goodcocke - Mon, 05 Jun 2017 17:51:28 EST ID:Ga1njN4e No.73445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This book might be a good start:


Shaykh Ahmad al-Alawi has been well regarded by many more traditional Muslims of the Sufi persuasion.

Another easy start might be Bawa Muhaiyaddeen's "To Die Before Death":

While it's not a commentary per se, it does comment a lot on certain concepts from the Qur'an and episodes and sayings of Muhammad, which helps to give a better picture of the actual Islamic character of Sufism.

And Dr. Hossein Nasr's books: Three Muslim Sages, Sufi Essays and Islamic Philosophy: From its Origins to Its Present are also worth a look if one is looking for writing on traditional Sufism or Islamic philosophy that pay close attention to their Islamic character
Eliza Gankinson - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 01:00:24 EST ID:/J8/usqW No.73447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Out of curiosity, are you a muslim? I am, this thread made me interested because I usually hang out on /b/ where any mention of muslims is followed by trolling and flamewars. I was just curious if your another muslim into this stuff or just a really educated dude. plus I had a question or two depending on which
William Borringterk - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 01:37:52 EST ID:u6DhZTJi No.73448 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Ah, I was hoping for an actual Qur'an written by the Sufis. An exegesis. These look good though. I will keep looking.


I think I'll start here.

Here's an Arabic copy of haqaiq al-tafsir, it seems very concise at under 900 pages; http://www.alkitab.com/2595.html

15% off for Ramadan. Tempted to buy but I can't read Arabic yet.


This exegesis is far more extensive, usually published in 30 volume sets.

"The printed version of the book published by his Salafi son is said to contain "tamperings and suppressions".[2]""

That's a shame. Sounds like it might've been an excellent reference set for a serious scholar of the Qur'an.
Jack Nickleway - Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:36:18 EST ID:UU9SpiF5 No.73457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like how I was ignored when it came to my whole Ra' spiel.
Fuck Islam and your spiel.
David Goodford - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 03:20:13 EST ID:3ca9rFZQ No.73461 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I didn't understand it so I didn't reply. Don't be a hurtin anus. The Egyptians were polytheists, Islam is strictly monotheistic.
Jack Nickleway - Wed, 07 Jun 2017 03:46:39 EST ID:UU9SpiF5 No.73462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You have a lot to learn.
Read up on Amun Ra.
Nigel Murdcocke - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:12:49 EST ID:OHE+5802 No.73485 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Egypt was a center of culture for thousands of years, I'm sure all manner of theisms were attempted.
Beatrice Fabblestock - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 04:19:32 EST ID:WzujJtFY No.73505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How about some EDGYptian magic, nigga?
Ian Blackforth - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 05:51:09 EST ID:WzujJtFY No.73517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As people in this thread said there is not magic but I know of one Satanic organization that takes Arabic mysticism as its inspiration.


I really wish I could help, I'll keep looking for something. I got a bunch of libraries of books to look through.
Ian Blackforth - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 05:53:40 EST ID:WzujJtFY No.73518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
scratch that. found something. https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z7x8kec9jidn2/Occult#7g9h3n9592y33
John Gedgehall - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:58:37 EST ID:FXMqVRk2 No.73519 Ignore Report Quick Reply


OP here oh boy I'm surprised it took this long.
John Gedgehall - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:08:03 EST ID:FXMqVRk2 No.73520 Ignore Report Quick Reply

THanks this looks interesting but not quite what I'm looking for. The guy who founded this cult converted to Islam for 8 years then renounced it to become a Neo-Nazi Satanist. He doesn't really seem to be rooted in the religion.

What I'm looking for more is magic practiced in early Muslim civilizations. Maybe this guy had an understanding of that but it seems like a long shot.
Enki - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:39:48 EST ID:3ybEUaPh No.73521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Belphegor claim. The key of Solomon may be useless.
2 girls 1 cup
That Crusader Enki - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:28:32 EST ID:jGh9ysBM No.73522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Somewhat related.
Archives - http://www.esotericarchives.com/
Check this out - http://www.esotericarchives.com/moses/67moses.htm
The Sixth and Seventh Book of Moses ^
Beatrice Fobberwell - Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:31:11 EST ID:WzujJtFY No.73523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Look at >>73518 It's an occult archive that has a Sufism section, which is Islamic mysticism or magic.
Phyllis Feshkure - Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:10:36 EST ID:VnkiuWKU No.73524 Ignore Report Quick Reply

oic thank you thank you

Oliver Debblenuck - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 22:21:17 EST ID:H9Med5BR No.73539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>73523 37 spells of islamic shamanism <-- I want to read that but my android won't from it
Edward Clirryridge - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 20:35:39 EST ID:7TqbVL7L No.73543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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in the lions
Polly Blathergold - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 20:39:47 EST ID:dsVUiNAB No.73565 Ignore Report Quick Reply

so you really believe this magic is real? I'm not being ironic or trolling, i'm asking honestly. do you believe this is real? If so, doesn't that mean the rest of islam is real?
Clara Greenhall - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:07:12 EST ID:Q0tdDE54 No.73581 Ignore Report Quick Reply

OP here, do I believe this magic is real or all magic? Neither. I believe magic is real, as to what sort of it is I am unsure.

So it doesn't follow that I believe in the message given to Prophet Muhammad for that reason BUT I do believe he had a message from the supreme being.

Does that answer your question?
Clara Greenhall - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:10:58 EST ID:Q0tdDE54 No.73582 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also none of those pdfs download. Broken links.
Priscilla Blunningham - Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:40:29 EST ID:+NGRyNd4 No.73583 Ignore Report Quick Reply

im afraid i have bad news for you. he didnt.
Priscilla Blummerstidging - Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:12:42 EST ID:SI9hMmKd No.73626 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Ask Allah to help with, "each and every thing."
Cedric Billingcocke - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 11:59:02 EST ID:dsVUiNAB No.73633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yes thank you! Well, the world is strange so magic is not beyond us. I was reading carl jung, and he seems to believe very adamantly that telepathic communications exist and that dreams, in particular, seem to have the ability to for tell the future, to some degree. There seems, too, a great deal of evidence for synchronicity.

I'll be frank with you and just say this: I despise what islam is in the modern world, it seems to be little more than the chains of an oppressed people and then conversely as the excuse for people to give way to their lower selves in the name of islam, those people being modern jihadist. That being said I do enjoy "islamic" poetry and art.

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