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First attempt IVing Crystal, is this something that needs medical attention? by Bacl2Plugging - Mon, 22 May 2017 20:57:03 EST ID:DhaWZVfJ No.279655 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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To be honest, I feel like it's fine, it's just a tiny bit stiny, but that's just right now. Attempted the shot around 4pm. Most likely not going to try IVing again because it's so difficult to see my veins (even with tournaquet, stress ball, etc), so that's probably for the better anyway
Clara Wonnerville - Tue, 23 May 2017 13:09:16 EST ID:/Q9QAHVO No.279680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that shit looks nasty I've never seen that but once when my needle was cleaned off with a hypoallergenic baby wipe of kinda gave me a rash under the first layer of skin so to speak

Help recovering dopamine and serotonin receptors by Phoebe Duckstock - Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:49 EST ID:ANFj4WYJ No.279646 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So let's just say I have a 50 mg vyvanse script... but it barely does a thing in a more after I binged on the real deal christina for a few months, but realized that was the drug for me and had to quit on the spot. So my question is... how long of a break should I take for my my vyvanse to be productive again? I don't necessarily need that euphoric high as great as it is, but I'm legit adhd and would just like to get my life on track and make the vyvanse something that isn't a crutch I need to get through every day life and to wear it made me productive again. Or is there no return from the tool stage of addiction?
Phoebe Duckstock - Mon, 22 May 2017 16:25:42 EST ID:ANFj4WYJ No.279649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
On a side note I've been meditating and bring mindful to ease the pain. But I do drugs to subdue my inner demons so it's a tough road ahead of me. Really I just want some advice as to how long I just tbreak to make my meds useful again and not a crutch. If there's no going back from the tool stage so be it. I'll disregard the vyvanse entirely. Just hopeful I can return
Phoebe Duckstock - Mon, 22 May 2017 16:29:26 EST ID:ANFj4WYJ No.279651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Should I have taken this to detox?
Albert Goodstone - Mon, 22 May 2017 17:19:48 EST ID:fMzozrVD No.279652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When you're at this point I highly suggest stopping altogether. I've been through addiction for 12 years and recently got sober a year ago besides some Ritalin binges. I never had this clarity you had and I wish I had. Life's great but I lost everything at one point.

If you don't give it at least a couple months but by then I wouldn't recommend going back
Sidney Brazzleson - Mon, 22 May 2017 17:49:42 EST ID:WnQdGfSq No.279653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This guy has a point. There's a deeper problem than tolerance: the psychological way in which you deal with the drug. Medical use usually employs more consistent, scheduled, regular dosing in order keep the drug taking from being emotionally/viscerally associated with a change in state. But you've already made that association. I would recommend getting off stims and trying to find a treatment regimen, maybe a nonstimulant drug, focus enhancing supplements like DMAE/citicoline, exercise, or some combination of things, that will be sufficient to manage your ADD.

If you really do need vyvanse, though, take a break for a few weeks, then intermittently, like once every few days, take one small dose (like 20 mg) to elicit sensitization. Once you're sensitized, take 50-100% DV magnesium every day, and sleep/eat well to maintain the drug's effectiveness. Then maintain a consistent dosing schedule, don't take it as needed. Finally, consult with your doctor if you need a higher dose, as 50 mg is really not a lot.

BWNS (bump while not stimulated) by StimLion !J2qtxSkYVE - Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:16:11 EST ID:jZKkZ2ry No.270244 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Not stimmed, just sippin on a cup of strong dark roast to Depeche Mode, but not actually "stimmed". Been seeing a lot of these threads lately on other boards and since I've been lacking of stims and thusly on a forced t-break.

Been fine, gone several days without meth now and no crave. Can't say I wouldn't love to be stimmed tho. Gotta wait on the ol paycheck and budget stimulants in with the gram of o-pce I'm ordering. I got plenty of sources for coke, but again no money and I don't even really like coke unless its free or I'm hoppin up on a gram or two to only a few other heads or myself. In my opinion doing cocaine is like taking a rollercoaster ride with a 10ft track. Only it costs a loooot more.

So who else on here is sadly not enjoying uppers now or anytime in the near future?
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Eliza Sellydale - Mon, 01 May 2017 00:20:39 EST ID:Nrold64b No.279213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
3rd day off of my adderall binge.
I felt so slow and tired today. Had 2 cups of coffee which helped.

How do you /stim/heads do it? Do you guys ever intend to stop or just keep going till you die? Do you guys plan to make a full recovery?
StimLioness !JM2DTgXfqU - Mon, 01 May 2017 00:47:51 EST ID:jGnnTvUX No.279219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just force sleep usually with booze, eat, and DRINK WATER and Im 100%
Lydia Clittingwater - Thu, 04 May 2017 11:31:32 EST ID:ukfL4uvH No.279280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I did it again. I spent about 20 hours edging while sticking progressively larger things up my ass. I sort of regret it because it's a lot of wasted Adderall and time, but on the other hand I kind of like those days afterward where I'm really, really sore if I move, but comfy if I sit still. Lol
asuka - Mon, 08 May 2017 22:30:01 EST ID:nYWIp2yn No.279364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ive been losing weight by not eating much lately but its not even like im on stims or herron or anything, i just don't eat while im at work because im too depressed to do anything other than get a coffee and dick around on my phone during my breaks and i spend the rest of my shift standing at the register. drinking about a gallon of water daily probably helps too.

but like, it'd be nice if I had some coke to go '86 Mets with or something. or some ice for the NHL playoffs. Preds to the second round!!
Priscilla Gandlebury - Mon, 22 May 2017 12:49:52 EST ID:8p+lUFWh No.279644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm desperate enough to buy shitty adderall from my neighbor...

Question about adderal by Wesley Lightham - Fri, 19 May 2017 13:03:05 EST ID:UPS8w+Nz No.279598 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is there a notable difference between snorting adderall and taking the same amount in pill-form?
Dr. Mario !gWLn19/oKs - Sun, 21 May 2017 13:28:36 EST ID:q67dS8Is No.279627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>between snorting adderall and taking the same amount in pill-form?

>snorting vs. Pill form
>what the fuck does in pill form even mean?
If I inject the solution, is it still in pill form? Are you trying to compare intranasal and oral BA?

Last I checked, snorting was equal to oral with a rush, but that plugging was farr superior in BA with a slightly better rush than snorted.
StimLioness !JM2DTgXfqU - Sun, 21 May 2017 15:06:28 EST ID:JJYI71RY No.279631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oral = longer duration, more bioavalibility
Railing = shorter duration, better rush, less bioavalibility

I personally always snort adderall, plugging is probably best roa, but I don't bother with my butt I just snort it. I don't think I've orally taken amphetamine in forever.
Phineas Fuckingson - Sun, 21 May 2017 15:28:22 EST ID:8p+lUFWh No.279632 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm pretty sure it's less bioavailable orally. For some reason the numbers: 70% (oral), 90% (snorted), 95% (smoked), 100% (IV/anal) come up in my head when thinking about bioavailibility for meth, but please someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Isabella Sandlefield - Sun, 21 May 2017 20:42:58 EST ID:Zy6lW8Lm No.279637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fuck yes missile

Amphetamine Chemical Purity by Graham Fanstone - Sun, 21 May 2017 13:44:51 EST ID:2KmYBOsG No.279629 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How can you tell good (pure) amphetamine?

I just got a batch that is pure white, smelled through the bag - like fish, kinda. Not like other batches of shitty EU paste that smelled more fruity or piss-like, this is different somehow. And it's dense and hard as a goddamn neutron star. I've never had speed that weighs so much per microscoop-full (usually powders i've gotten before are 5-7mg in my little red microscoop, but this stuff is actually much closer to 10mg per). Also most of it's not even powder, but rather hard little rocks/balls, maybe 1-2mm in diameter, that are impossible to crush with my fingers.

So does this all mean it's exceptionally good? Or exceptionally bad? What makes speed objectively purer? From what I've read just googling so far, there are a couple telltale characteristics. Only problem is people seem to go both ways on whether each means it's good or bad:
  1. Color - usually either white or yellowish, assumed from the final wash (acetone?)
  2. Smell - I've seen people say it's good "if it smells like cat piss". Not sure what to take from that, but I assume it's referring an ammonia smell. Seen it mentioned that this is very likely from phenylacetone, which is again used to wash the final product. (2a. Then again, one poster I saw said this is if one chemical synthesis is used, but another route [The Leuckart Method] yields a different smell)
  3. Moisture - either paste-like (wet) or powder (dry). Obviously dry is better only cuz whatever evaporates is there only as a result of the previous (final) chemical step. What is this though and how does the evaporation process vary in pure, well-made amph, vs. "lazy" and hastily-synthesized "meh" amph?

Also wondering how the stuff I got formed into so many little "balls" and why that happens (chemically speaking). I assume it's probably analogous to the way meth crystallizes, only in a less "precise" way, since I guess you could say, chemically speaking, meth is a more "sharp" version of the amph molecule, at least in the way it crystallizes.

Sorry for my lack of understanding. I guess I've just been watching a lot of breaking ba…
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Albert Blummlestere - Sun, 21 May 2017 13:57:36 EST ID:MXHlcB2a No.279630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does pharmaceutical amphetamine have an odor attached to it? No.

Should "good" street amphetamine give off an odor? Nope.

MCAT fap by Alice Sublingmitch - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:05:49 EST ID:iPb3rhfW No.278823 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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There is literally no better feeling that fapping on mephedrone.

It's like controlling your dopamine receptors with your dick.

Anyone here who has had sex or fapped on MCAT please share with me a better sensation, I am genuinely intrigued because I don't believe anything can top this.
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Fanny Honeyville - Tue, 09 May 2017 13:33:22 EST ID:iPb3rhfW No.279386 Ignore Report Quick Reply

You think you can find it?
Johnny Hobo - Tue, 09 May 2017 17:14:20 EST ID:haKHy6Vy No.279390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Methylone is pure orgasmic bliss to shoot. about a quart is a really fuck off decent hit.

i swear i actually came from it one time
Oliver Dremmerworth - Wed, 10 May 2017 11:22:00 EST ID:iPb3rhfW No.279404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
From fapping or just shooting?

How does it compare to mcat?
Cornelius Firringtare - Thu, 11 May 2017 16:15:08 EST ID:m7yqBY/Z No.279420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mephedrone - well I'd compare its effects to short acting ecstasy with some effects of coke and it's overall shortacting

Methcathinone- it really is a betaketone version of amphetamine, it gives you coke like euphoria, for several minutes, and then it turns into speed like speediness and unability to sleep

Phineas Nallycocke - Sun, 21 May 2017 03:56:30 EST ID:iPb3rhfW No.279626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think he meant from simply shooting, but I doubt it. Methylone feels like an easier high than mcat - it's easier on the come up, more mellow euphoria, but it's rough as fuck later on. Really moreish and worst come down I've ever had.

Theanine and Amphs by taylor of /del/ - Wed, 17 May 2017 21:38:58 EST ID:6+9t7A9x No.279571 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So far my research shows that theanine may dampen the negative effects but also the positive ones if too much is taken. I couldn't find too many reports of people actually taking the two together, so I knew 420chan was the place to come to for this. For those who've done it, how was it? How much theanine did you take vs how much adderall/meth/whatever you took?
Matilda Purringwell - Thu, 18 May 2017 09:50:01 EST ID:qP4jeJdC No.279579 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If I had the finances I'd give it a go but alas, I'm but a pauper
Jack Gecklechit - Thu, 18 May 2017 21:42:21 EST ID:tSxPSaCZ No.279593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I take l theanine and 5-htp to help unfuck my neurotransmitters after i do hex, but i don't know how much of it is actual improvement in the hangover vs placebo "i took something for it so now i don't feel so helpless and shitty about what i did to myself yesterday"

l theanine is like 6 bucks at walmart
Ben Z. Drecks !owU3wSU682 - Sun, 21 May 2017 01:07:23 EST ID:dbSnzz0C No.279624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I took about 800mg of theanine with 250mg of propylhexedrine (not an amphetamine, but close enough). After the theanine kicked in, I kind of forgot I was stimmed, maybe from the sedative effects of theanine canceling out my physical stimulation. It was nothing special, but you might enjoy it if you dislike the "edgy" feeling from too much /stim/.

Overdose by Martha Cepperturk - Sat, 20 May 2017 16:04:39 EST ID:eh7LuhzP No.279612 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I shot some coke earlier and literally had like a seizure while I was awake I take suboxone daily and I think the combo might have had something to do with it
Anyway it's like over 2 hours later and my heart is still racing like 105 bpm I took 1mg of Xanax earlier but I don't have anymore please respond I'm getting worried
Phineas Follergold - Sat, 20 May 2017 16:08:05 EST ID:dVIgblEi No.279613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if you have any more benzos, take them
i'd recommend taking alcohol as an alternative, but apparently cocaethylene can form as a metabolic by-product, which is super toxic and bad for your heart so alcohol is probably a no-go
if you are really worried about dying head to the ER, although if you haven't died yet and your heart rate/other symptoms seem to be going away you might be fine
Beatrice Bardfield - Sat, 20 May 2017 20:53:12 EST ID:16PNCHpQ No.279615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If it has been two hours since your seizure-like consequence after shooting some coke you're probably in the clear if you haven't hit the floor yet.

105 bpm isn't really all that bad. Your anxiety over being worried about health/potential fatality could be effecting your heart-rate significantly as well. My heart-rate has been up to about 110 to 120 bpm for significant stretches of time and, while not good, it didn't result in an issue for me.

Honestly if you didn't have a heart attack/stroke out/seize out and not wake up in the time from booting the initial shot of coke to about 30 mins to an hour afterwards you are probably okay.

Don't drink any alcohol as that could exacerbate the problem due to cocaethylene as
>>279613 mentioned.

Just try to take some deep breaths, do some breathing exercises to calm yourself down and, if after doing that and trying to get your focus off it by doing calming activities for awhile (say, for an hour or so) you are still hyper-focused/worried/feeling the doom then go to Urgent Care or the Emergency Room.

When you say "seizure while you were awake" what exactly do you mean? Did the bellringer hit you incredibly hard and your body just tensed the fuck up and you couldn't control it? Seizures cause memory-loss and loss of consciousness during them for the most part so it's possible you just did a really strong fucking shot and weren't prepared for it.

Above all, my advice above is -non medically trained advice based on my own experiences shooting coke- and if you really feel the fear then it is better to have it be nothing at the ER then be something in a pine-box 6 feet under.
Archie Dartwater - Sat, 20 May 2017 23:58:08 EST ID:eh7LuhzP No.279621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks for both of your replies and I'm. Sorry for bumping this thread but I just had a few more questions and things to clear up
So this is what happened I did like 4 somewhat small shots within 10 minutes of each other but I wasn't really feeling it like I wanted to so I was like fuck it I'm loading up a fatty and that's what I did.
Now when I did the shot I got this strong bell ringer I felt coming but then all of the sudden I like lost control of my body and started moving side to side also when I tried to talk my own voice sounded kinda like it had a Robot noise with it (sorry not sure how to really explain that) and this all lasted for like 10-15 minutes with the occasional dizziness and light headed feeling
Plus my heart beat stayed elevated for hours is that normal?
I'm. Mainly an opiate user but just quit like a month ago and started subs

Sorry for the long post but I was just needing more information plus I still have that coke left and would like to do more at some point soon lol
Jack Druzzlehood - Sun, 21 May 2017 00:31:39 EST ID:dVIgblEi No.279622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't comment much on the seizure side of things, although that sounds about how I expect a seizure might feel.

I will say you should lay off the coke/uppers for at least a day or two. Smoke some weed instead or something.

daily stim usage by Fucking Creshwodging - Sat, 20 May 2017 23:07:32 EST ID:vKAn7vHw No.279618 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>prescribed 5mg dexedrine
>makes my pits turn into pools of sweat
>cannot sleep for 12 hrs after dosing

how do you people take this shit daily? i dont even need it, im getting straight A's in school. i just play for video games for hours without fatigue on it. my eyes hurt and turn red past 2 am though. i've tried clonazepam with benadryl and beer, nothing makes me fall asleep on this shit.
Isabella Sandlefield - Mon, 22 May 2017 16:15:39 EST ID:Zy6lW8Lm No.279647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
..from 5mg? I'm jealous quite frankly

combining a bunch of amphetamine potentiators/potentiation methods for science and WHAT THE FUCK by Hedda Mobbleweck - Sat, 20 May 2017 07:23:18 EST ID:wuYelYvg No.279608 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I take 50 mg Vyvanse every day about an hour after having a teaspoon of baking soda in a drink, which very significantly increases the duration of effects. As a one-off out of curiosity, I have decided to attempt using every potentiator/potentiation method available to me simultaneously with a smaller dose of Vyvanse than usual (25 mg). I downed my baking soda at T-2:00 with 30 mg DXM and 250 mg l-tyrosine, and then doubled up on the baking soda at T-1:00 with 60 mg DXM and another 250 mg l-tyrosine. It is currently T-0:20 and I am making this thread to report something beyond my understanding: I can distinctly feel myself coming up on amphetamine though I have not yet dosed any today. Is it possible that I have potentiated the residual amphetamine left in my body from yesterday's dose so much so that it's hitting me again? If so, I can't imagine how intense today will be for me. I was planning on dosing 200 mg caffeine with my 25 mg Vyvanse, but at this point I'm feeling rather hesitant about that, lol. I'm already noticeably amphed up before dosing. My hypothesis is that DXM is magic. Hopefully nothing bad comes of this experiment. Wish me luck, /stim/.
Charles Puddlestock - Sat, 20 May 2017 08:41:48 EST ID:7FFIgmT/ No.279609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
DXM really is magic, because the last time I had it, I downed two 5ozers of delsym to kill a cold and I ended up seeing everything I did in 3rd person somehow, travelled to a dimension where everything looked like it was made of felt, and I apparently teleported from my room to the fridge and back, because I have no memory of walking to my kitchen but I woke up cuddling a carton of orange juice
Ebenezer Duckville - Sat, 20 May 2017 09:21:09 EST ID:8p+lUFWh No.279610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I downed two 5ozers of delsym to kill a cold
You're a cool guy.

Also good luck OP. Sounds like you just unlocked 100% of your brain.

benzos to take the edge off stims by Nicholas Bimmerworth - Sat, 13 May 2017 10:55:04 EST ID:TNqIjNn+ No.279464 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I see so much 'never mix uppers and downers' shit on the internet and whatnot and just wanted some people who actually know what they're talking about - basically, whenever I do speed I like to take a low benzo dose i.e 10mg valium or 1-2mg xans because it takes away the anxiety and the heart racing shit so i just wanted to check with veterans that there's nothing excessively dangerous about this combo? Thanks for any help
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James Worthingdock - Sun, 14 May 2017 21:38:36 EST ID:3uD4RqHw No.279515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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oh babe, just don't overdo it. Benz + stem = perfect
Cedric Greenhall - Mon, 15 May 2017 05:24:01 EST ID:n3yXyMxA No.279520 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Questioned asking here. I took 2mg xanny around 18 hours after my last dose (was still pretty fucking high). Passed the fuck out immediately, slept 8 hours straight, woke up for work no problem. That puts me at around 40 hours since the full day of meth and so far no comedown at all to speak of. That was my first time using meth so I know fuck all but it's definitely something i'll be keeping around again.
Reuben Duckson - Fri, 19 May 2017 15:48:23 EST ID:6/ssvKe1 No.279602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I have beers, benzos or opiates every time I take stims. Don't take a lot of benzos, drink a lot, or take an OD dose of anything. One danger is the benzos take away your inhibitions and you do the dumb shit stims make you think
Barnaby Trotstone - Sat, 20 May 2017 00:38:51 EST ID:tSxPSaCZ No.279606 Ignore Report Quick Reply

the main hazard is overdose on one after the other wears off.

some combos will have direct interactions but that can be determined by googling both drugs in one search, if they have an interaction or synergy it will be mentioned.

as long as they don't have a dangerous direct interaction, just make sure not to take more of either than you would without the other, because otherwise you might stop breathing when the stims wear off and the heroic dose of downers is still in you.
Isabella Sandlefield - Sun, 21 May 2017 20:57:09 EST ID:Zy6lW8Lm No.279638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
True in general, but benzos alone don't have much potential for dangerous respiratory depression. If we're talking speed balls then you're on the money. I could definitely see being uncomfortably tweeked after your benzos wore of if it was something like Xanax.
Regarding OP's question: what do you think the first line of treatment for stimulant OD is?

Fucked up shit you did to conserve stims by Sophie Marringwell - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 03:36:30 EST ID:RdsrMK8v No.278628 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Bunch of fucking pussies over at weed think it's gross to smoke resin.
Think we need to counter the normies by talking about the grossest shit you ever ingested because you thought there might be stims in it.
>Tried drinking my own piss to recycle Adderall
>Vaccumed my entire carpet, and ran the contents of the bag though a coffee filter in hopes there was meth in it.
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Nigel Bardhall - Tue, 09 May 2017 07:25:34 EST ID:0dmfrMIy No.279380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ah, carpet surfing; the favourite coming down activity of every true crackhead. If you ever catch yourself doing this you can now 100% confirm that you have a drug problem.
lawlercaust !CBDMr8zxnk - Fri, 12 May 2017 14:46:17 EST ID:cGOPtApW No.279435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
One time I was kickin it in my car at the local park with one of my tweaky buddies, and i knew he had some shit and he is a real stickler about not assuming shit, so i couldn't just ask him for the pipe after he loads it. 10 mins go by and i get fed up with waiting on his slow scatterbrained ass and finally cave and ask to hit it
>hurr durr see your just a desperate junkie with no self control hurr durr teach you a lesson and make you wait exactly 30 mins to hit the pipe
I say fuck it at this point and start looking for leftovers in my car, lo and behold I find an old needle cap i used at some point to take a shot with. This cap could have been anywhere between 1 day and 3 months old...
>The cap had a cotton
>I did a cotton rinser shot
>never again will i ever do something so fucking stupid.
I experienced what can only be described as a super flu, cotton fever, and a severe allergic reaction all bundled into one horrible package. I knew not even 20 seconds after i took the shot that i had goofed. My lips start going numb, soon they start swelling, my face starts swelling up, my body starts feeling super sick, then my body went numb. I broke out in hives accompanied by the gnarliest feeling I had ever felt, it felt like the feeling when your leg falls asleep, but 100x more uncomfortable. Then my throat started to swell up and at that point i told my friend i needed to go to the emergency room at that very second. The car ride there sucked so bad cus my throat kept swelling more and more and my anxiety about dying just made the whole ordeal worse.
Luckily I got to the ER in time and they gave me some very strong antihistamines, and inhaler, and an oxygen mask.
>if you were worried, don't worry - i didn't die
Augustus Hendlemure - Fri, 19 May 2017 11:31:25 EST ID:vcJq30k7 No.279596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We're not monkeys, technically. It's semantics to some extent, as monkeys are kind of an arbitrary grouping based on appearance and not monophyletic, meaning there is no single common ancestor whose descendants include all monkeys and nothing that is not a monkey. Monkeys are platyrrhines and catarrhines, which are primate lineages, but do not include apes. They're not monophyletic because the grouping is equivalent to simians minus apes. To put this in context, simians are happlorhines minus tarsiers, and haplorhines are primates minus lorises, lemurs, and something else I forget. So while humans are not monkeys, both are primates, haplorhines, and simians.
Augustus Hendlemure - Fri, 19 May 2017 11:45:48 EST ID:vcJq30k7 No.279597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be clear monkeys can't be monophyletic because apes are a subdivision of catarrhine, which includes old world monkeys, so you can think of monkeys as 'surrounding' apes in the evolutionary tree. This also means that humans and old world monkeys are also closely related. Though not fhe same, apes and old world monkeys are more closely related than old and new world monkeys.
Lydia Brookfield - Fri, 19 May 2017 15:29:02 EST ID:gERDJqG3 No.279600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey don't go assuming everybody's species
What if that poster was transcatarrhine you don't even know
Personally I identify as a burlap sack filled with angry squirrels

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