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Torrenting and Screengrabbing shit... by JackPapperstock.bat - Sat, 06 May 2017 00:11:56 EST ID:R4YSXXji No.120985 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, I have a Luddite friend who still uses dead media. I recommended some shows...he doesn't have the streaming services I do...yadayada I need copies of popular shows.

Questions -

1 - Is torrenting a thing still, and how do you get on a decent site now?

2 - Conversely, any apps out there that can snag the video stream and dump it for conversion later?
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AlbertMushridge.mdb - Sat, 06 May 2017 03:15:51 EST ID:HK4d96eR No.120986 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Torrenting is absolutely still around. For finding torrents that don't require an invite, I would recommend searching 1337x.to which is a search engine that scours many public torrent sites. If you want to get an invite to a site I would recommend joining an irc of the group, or if you're desperate enough, going to circlejerk's r/invites and requesting an invite from there.

Here's a flowchart of various torrent sites/trackers for all of your needs:
imgur.com/NaagU4o
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IsabellaNickleridge.xml - Sun, 07 May 2017 22:15:59 EST ID:R4YSXXji No.120989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120986
You sir, have provide useful information.
Thank you.


High refresh rates with pixel count? Possible? by CedricPockworth.api - Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:16:29 EST ID:2MAc9K/k No.120951 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Am I asking the impossible here? I'm looking for a monitor with high fps and pixels. Or possibly even one that has the ability to switch between. Can't find doot diddly anywhere about it by today's technology.
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CedricPockworth.api - Thu, 27 Apr 2017 03:36:20 EST ID:2MAc9K/k No.120954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120952
Awesome, thanks for the pointer. Now to figure out if it's any good for editing.
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SophiePittstone.ffo - Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:53:16 EST ID:Mw0E3xZ0 No.120955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120954
The cheap ones are TN panels which have poor color and viewing angles. If you also need to edit on it, you're going to want to look for an IPS panel though don't expect it to be factory calibrated for color accuracy out of the box like an editing-specific monitor would.
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EstherFubbertidge.phtml - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 08:46:29 EST ID:/mk57Mtg No.120959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is my monitor.
I needed something higher than 1080p, as it was really cramping my Blender UI.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB714894154
Cheap for what it is, my first one was defective so it's probably a lot more attractive if you live on the west coast and your shipping and returns don't take a full week like mine did in New England.
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ElizaSuckleman.hex - Sun, 07 May 2017 21:17:59 EST ID:4d1wyTRv No.120987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120951

Acer is releasing a 4k 144hz monitor.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/4/27/15452754/acer-predator-x27-g-sync-hdr-4k-144hz-gaming-monitor-announced-specs
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FuckingDaddlefield.cda - Sun, 07 May 2017 21:35:07 EST ID:Jx5GfKjc No.120988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120951
I have one of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K1IO2DG/

24in. 2k ... not necessarily what youre after, but I was able to overclock to 85Hz


/cyb/erpunk general by Anonymous - Thu, 04 May 2017 12:47:56 EST ID:Rs4CgAUs No.120978 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Nosebleed Edition

What is Cyberpunk? It's complicated.
https://lainchan.jp/cyb/res/115.html#115
http://www.cyberpunkforums.com/viewtopic.php?id=361
https://www.circlejerk.com/r/Cyberpunk/wiki/about
https://www.neondystopia.com/what-is-cyberpunk/
http://www.cypunk.com/whatis.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

Cyberpunk Communities
https://stormfront.org/cyber/
http://www.cyberpunkforums.com/
https://lainchan.jp/
https://boards.systemspace.link/
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WesleyMurdson.dxf - Thu, 04 May 2017 20:34:29 EST ID:BBPljkRN No.120979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't forget the original cyberpunk chan, lainchan.org

Hope you don't delete this site and redirect them to that copycat .jp
like you did with lainchan.org
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JennyPunnerhood.deb - Thu, 04 May 2017 22:36:03 EST ID:8IExH3Ui No.120980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120979
lainchan.org is run by a guy who paid $5000 for the site, supposedly. 5K for a chan with probably hundreds of visitors a month using thousands of IP addresses. I don't know what exactly drove people to fork lainchan, but it's probably very reasonable to want to get away from him.
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EdwinNicklebanks.xls - Thu, 04 May 2017 22:37:33 EST ID:SmETnUvB No.120981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>120979
Most of those threads on lainchan.jp just copied from lainchan.org with fewer response. lainchan gets shit for being slow compared to other chans but lainchan.jp is straight dead.
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EdwinNicklebanks.xls - Thu, 04 May 2017 22:53:44 EST ID:SmETnUvB No.120982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120980
Yeah IDK how much I trust Appleman. Kalyx wasn't very capable of running the site himself and would regularly dip into lainchan donations to eat. But he would do stuff so we knew he was legit like posting an entire recording of a mumble meeting with the mods.

Holy shit there is a lot of drama about .jp
https://lainchan.org/q/res/1317.html#1317
holy shit I was out of the loop these past months


HIRING DARK WEB PROFESSIONALS by NigelBizzlewell.msg - Wed, 03 May 2017 02:02:52 EST ID:AugCDy3t No.120974 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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hiring a hacker or DDOS 'penetration test' on the darkweb...HOW ITS DONE?

any experiences?

tips?

Have a happy browse.
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GeorgeHockleford.xcf - Wed, 03 May 2017 13:05:29 EST ID:7F/QA+Tm No.120975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Thu, 04 May 2017 05:37:34 EST ID:DMlKCodu No.120976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Son, it's your mother and father.
Leave the minecraft server alone.
Go to bed. It's over. You were banned for good reason.
I've booked us an appointment with a child psychologist. You're going to talk to Dr. Sally Waxler in the morning.
Now go to bed.
Leave the minecraft server alone.
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JackGoodville.class - Thu, 04 May 2017 11:40:03 EST ID:1eZLA38M No.120977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE


Windows Explorer Program/Feature by HeddaGungershaw.eps2 - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:41:19 EST ID:E8L+/8aX No.120961 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey do yall know any way to prevent windows explorer from opening a duplicate?
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CharlesWollyville.pm6 - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 09:05:27 EST ID:RiCQ5wBh No.120965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120961
>opening a duplicate

a duplicate what? what are you really trying to say. explain the problem clearly and concisely.
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NathanielDenkinshit.bin - Mon, 01 May 2017 01:00:22 EST ID:E8L+/8aX No.120969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like two different My Documents accidentally opened. It would be cool if it just redirected to the existing one.

Same thing we can do with browser tabs via addons.
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ReubenCrizzlepidge.pot - Tue, 02 May 2017 01:27:52 EST ID:LCeJv2ZC No.120970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you're opening folders directly, Windows does this by default. If you're opening a window and then navigating to a folder, Windows will let you have as many Windows as you want and there's probably no reasonable way to limit it. There are some freeware alternatives to Explorer you can look into though.
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PhineasBeblingmitch.pif - Tue, 02 May 2017 09:43:11 EST ID:keP2StCX No.120971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120970
>windows does this by default
only if the starting window's addresses matches that of an already open window

if you reach an existing window's address via forward, back, or up, it doesn't collapse it

I can imagine why that's not done though, because the code to monitor this, while not particularly complex (one process to monitor open windows addresses), can lead to glitches, and some people may not want disappearing windows (you might for example traverse (up, up, up) in one window to grab a file to move to the other window - when the middle up leads to the same address, and then have one window collapse when you need it open)
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ReubenCrizzlepidge.pot - Tue, 02 May 2017 13:35:55 EST ID:LCeJv2ZC No.120972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120971
Maybe you should have quoted words on either side of those.


any other sites like omega by PhineasFuckingham.class - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 22:25:08 EST ID:DgSe+e9x No.120966 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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like cam chatting but only you can chose with sex to video chat with? omega is 90 percent naked dudes masturbating, and if i do a search engine check for a site similar but with females its just females hosting cam shows and stripping for money...the fuck
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EbenezerGecklefatch.jpeg - Sun, 30 Apr 2017 00:37:08 EST ID:vGBlYgEz No.120967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What the fuck is Omega? And why would you expect to find women getting naked for you on the Internet for free when women have been making a living off of that since you were born?


Phantom Xorg settings by HamiltonClondletadging.cmd - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 22:28:23 EST ID:SmETnUvB No.120963 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I need help. I'm setting up my multi monitor desktop using xrandr commands in /usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup. And when I get to sddm, everything is fine. When I get to my desktop, something has set my leftmost monitor from 1920x1200 to 1080 and attempted to add a 50hz mode line. I recognize those settings as my previous settings, which were set the same way. But I removed the old script that did that and I've searched for "1600x1200_50.00" throughout my entire system.

My /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is empty. I don't know where these phantom settings are coming from. My last hope is that nvidia somehow grabbed those settings and stored them somewhere and keeps re applying them...
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HamiltonClondletadging.cmd - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 22:37:09 EST ID:SmETnUvB No.120964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It was ~/.xprofile

I thought I had grepped /home but I had only cd /home then still grepped /.


Fn-Ctrl swap by DavidPuckleduck.avi - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 19:55:29 EST ID:aE3PAVME No.120939 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I recently found out that Thinkpads have official support for swapping Fn and Ctrl keys, putting Ctrl where it should be on the edge of the keyboard. Older Thinkpads have third party firmware hacks and some Thinkpads and Macbooks (the only other laptops with the Fn key in the wrong place) have some unofficial support for this in software. I don't remember the last time I was this happy about something so stupid. I guess I hit Ctrl way more than I realized.
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ElizaClemblewell.mdl - Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:11:25 EST ID:YIcsAc7T No.120948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If I am not wrong, I gave growled about Ctrl placement. So when I see a thinkpad,
I kinda hate it from square on. Thanks for your observation
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ElizaClemblewell.mdl - Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:14:30 EST ID:YIcsAc7T No.120949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
h have g gave


AMD Ryzen by FuckGankinway.scr - Wed, 01 Mar 2017 20:19:29 EST ID:Mw0E3xZ0 No.120684 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So what do you guys make of the hype? There's only a few more hours before the review embargos lift and we'll finally get to see independent benchmarks. I'm really hoping AMD can pull of what they're promising because the Dekstop CPU market has been pathetic these last few years and this will really shake things up if the gains AMD is claiming prove true.
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CharlottePembleshit.dic - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:44:01 EST ID:Mw0E3xZ0 No.120940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120936
Yeah, but for around $180, that's a shit load of money for just two physical cores. The Devil's Canyon Pentium made sense because you could get it for as low as $45 but the i3 7350k is asinine at almost $200+ the cost of cooling it to achieve a high-enough overclock to make it worthwhile. The whole purpose of a desktop is that it can do more than just browse the web and play simple games and if that's all you want to do, then you have plenty of sub-$200 (for the whole system, not just the CPU) options like the Nvidia Shield TV or other Android platforms that perform those functions just as well.

The 7350k is a sucker's choice for people who think they're savvy and getting a great deal on something that excels at the tasks they need it specifically for but in reality, it's a terrible value proposition for that scenario and it's severely limiting the potential to do anything more complex on your computer than what a fucking cellphone can do. Just spend the extra $20 and get the i5 7500 or a R5 1600 and if you can't afford that, Just go with the G4560. If I could run most Wii games on Dolphin at 60fps on a god damn Phenom II back in the day, a 3.5ghz Kaby Lake part will not have any issues with emulators, I guarantee it. There is no reason to ever buy a two-core processor for more than $100 in 2017. EVER! Once again, DO NOT buy an i3 7350k, it's a stupid product for stupid people.
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EbenezerBlashstet.pif - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 00:57:18 EST ID:aE3PAVME No.120941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120940
I think your Phenom II would struggle with BSNES and your 3.5GHz 4C Kaby Lake would strugle with Cemu. Why do you have so much sand in your vagina about someone seeing valuing single threaded speed over core count? If the chip isn't for you, don't buy it and move on with your life?
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CharlottePembleshit.dic - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:58:47 EST ID:Mw0E3xZ0 No.120944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120941
Higan is a horrendously inefficient (yeah, I know they're going for 100% accuracy but there comes a point where "good enough" is good enough and you can play 99% of all SNES games accurately enough on 1/100th the power it takes to run Higan on Snes9X) and CEMU is still in early development and they only way to get it up to decent speeds is brute force and even then it's optimized to run on 3 threads so you'll still be better off with a moderately clocked 4 core part rather than a high-clocked 2 core part with hyperthreading.

My whole point is that for what little the 7350k can do, it's overkill for the job because the added clock speed won't make it vastly superior to a cheaper part like the G4560 that can get the job done in a "good enough" manner. The extra $100 you're investing in just the 7350k, combined with the requirement of the high-end Z mobo it takes to overclock it as well as a decent cooler will bring you up to around $400 for the whole package (not including RAM, GPU, Storage, or any peripherals) versus $150 or so for the Pentium system. The extra 20% performance simply isn't worth the extra 160% cost it takes to get there. This is what makes it such a lousy value proposition. What's worse is you can get a system based off an i5 7500 with a lower end mobo (since you're not overclocking it) with a stock cooler for less than $350 and you'll have nearly identical single-threaded performance with significantly improved multi-threaded performance. Not only can you build a comparable Pentium system for significantly less but you can actually build a better i5 system for less. The cost of the i3 7350k makes no sense by any metric

What's putting sand in my vagina is that you're ignorantly giving extremely bad advice based on a self-defeating premise that it's okay to waste money on performance you'll never see. I'm sorry that the Sub-$200 CPU market is so fucked but the i3 7350k isn't the magic CPU it appears as on paper. When you start factoring in what else you can buy and the high-end parts that i3 requires to take advantage of it's overclockability, the 7350k just loses all of its appeal…
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EbenezerBlashstet.pif - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 11:04:20 EST ID:aE3PAVME No.120945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120944
I'm not reading all that you sad little man. I'm sorry that poor marginal value raped your mother and burned your house down, but the fact is the 7350K is the cheapest way to get the fastest single threaded performance and there's nothing left to say.
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GeorgeBlatherfoot.pl - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:59:35 EST ID:Mw0E3xZ0 No.120947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120945
No, you buy a used, unlocked i5 for $150 or less and overclock the piss out of it. That's the cheapest way to get the "fastest single threaded performance". end of story. Maybe if you're paying MicroCenter prices, I could see the temptation but at close to $200, the high clock speed isn't enough to make it compelling.

You might as well be arguing that somebody should buy an Ariel Atom as their daily commuter because " it's the cheapest, fastest way to go around the nurburgring". Yes, it's does what it claims to do in a very specific, niche context but you're sacrificing a whole lot of general usability for the sake of top-end performance that will go largely wasted due to the bottlenecks caused by its core count. If all you want to do is browse the web and play old games, buy a cheaper part. If you want a well-rounded machine for more complex, modern tasks, buy a different part with more cores and less hertz, and if you need the most performance you can get and money is an issue for you, buy used. Don't waste money on a niche product that over-performs in one area and under-performs in another key area. Please take your bad advice somewhere else.


Modestocomputerino by Something Forgotten - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 18:55:17 EST ID:2MAc9K/k No.120937 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Last time I was around a good computer was when Nvidia released the 290GTX and it's time I made myself a good station. In my extended absence, I didn't focus on parts, hype, and etcetera - thus, I've fallen behind.

The PC I'm trying to build is intended for streaming, gaming, rendering, and recording while keeping a low temperature. I am not trying to go all out either and I'm trying to be around the price of 2k. I can go higher or lower, just don't want to if it's avoidable.

I was thinking of having a SSD hub station or something like divided drives for separate programs to write on so the CPU doesn't have to look through a 1TB C drive while accessing DLLs.

Don't want to be extravagant, just a modest build that can do gaming on a game like Black Desert Online or Rainbow Six Siege, while recording and streaming that can also do great while rendering.

And if you guys got any tips for coolant, show me the way. Trying to get a clear view in today's market... So many people trying to shove things in my face. Feels like I'm an altar boy.
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DavidPuckleduck.avi - Mon, 24 Apr 2017 19:31:19 EST ID:aE3PAVME No.120938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you don't want to think too hard you can just copy someone else's build: https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/

If you want to be analytical, start with your core component performance requirements. Most people just look at a few benchmarks, pick out the few things they know they want, and then just buy whatever is on sale. Unless you're pushing up against some constraint, don't overthink it.


LinkedIn? by PhoebeClenninglet.sgml - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 20:42:22 EST ID:fVWGPSRj No.120864 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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4 months with a stupid CS degree and no job.

I don't like Social Media, but I've been recommended from websites + friends to set up a LinkedIn profile.

What do you guys think? Anyone succumbed to it?
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WilliamShakeman.tga - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:52:30 EST ID:ud0uGBxZ No.120900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Indeed and Monster are good sites for finding jobs.
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BarnabyGandernidge.rtf - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:56:07 EST ID:sTImaIHN No.120902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not CS, in /chem/.

I got around 10-15 phone interviews and 3-4 in person interviews through linkedin. No takers so far.

Really frustrating. But I've gotten better prospects from Linkedin than anywhere else. Most places I've applied to without representation result in, "Thank you for applying, we will reach out if our employment demands change. Good luck on your search."

Maybe I'm just a terrible interviewer. I dunno.

Would you guys recommend a Master in CS? I've been studying for the GRE since being unemployed. Did well in fortran, never really looked at it otherwise.

And is C++/Java+Python worth studying?
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BadWulf - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:37:09 EST ID:8Vhgh6zO No.120927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120879

This guy is mostly right but I would say that LinkedIn is useful exactly because HR people don't know shit and use LinkedIn to find people.

My wife looked for work all summer after graduating with her undergrad in CS. Come august she finally setup her LinkedIn crap and got a bunch of interviews and found a good software development job that she has enjoyed and worked at for the last year.

LinkedIn is very useful for small companies.

That being said I've never used it myself. I work in R&D at the doctoral level in a very niche field so I don't look for work, work looks for me.

Anyway, finding jobs is a playing probabilities as well. If you assume that you have some small chance with every application, sending out a large number of applications nearly assures that you will find something assuming you wrote your resume/CV/application reasonably well.

I came here for porn, why am I replying to people about jobs?
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BadWulf - Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:49:39 EST ID:8Vhgh6zO No.120928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120902

If you want to get an MS, i.e., with a thesis then you will need to know what you want to research in advanced. At least the field that is. No graduate program will take you seriously if you aren't adamant about what you want to work on.

If you want to get an MCS, i.e., coursework only, then by all means go for it. This could be a great opportunity for you to spread your wings. It will cost you however.

Rather than studying a specific language I suggest learning more about computer science in general, algorithms, complexity theory, data structures etc. These concepts transcend language and indeed will need to be known regardless of which are you working with.
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CorneliusSeddleham.sea - Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:12:59 EST ID:gP03tV2f No.120929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120927
>I came here for porn, why am I replying to people about jobs?


I lol'd hard. Guess you lost your way??


Archiving/saving a vBulletin forum by BarnabyWorthingford.pif - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 00:17:43 EST ID:+XB9/9Yx No.120921 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I run a community built on SMF that originated and split off from a vB community. The latter is on the outs due to the corporation that owns it having a shit business plan and not being able to maintain it. I have the feeling the site is going to disappear sooner rather than later and I was wondering if anybody here knows of some way to archive the content/posts/etc in such a way that I could integrate them either into my own community or another entirely, whether built on vB software or otherwise.

tl;dr, is it possible to "copy" content from a vB forum without having access to the database? if so, how?
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ArchieDruggleman.dun - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 02:00:55 EST ID:p6545IKk No.120922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120921
Scraping the forum to make a static copy is hard enough but possible. Trying to migrate the posting history to some other system without database access is something you should forget about.
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BarnabyWorthingford.pif - Tue, 18 Apr 2017 02:27:48 EST ID:+XB9/9Yx No.120923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>120922
yeah, saving it as static isn't really an issue, i've got a tool someplace i can use for that so i may just do it.

I had seen/used a script some years ago for zetaboard that basically crawled the forum and generated a database using the publicly visible information (usernames, posts, forum structure, etc), had hoped there was something similar out there for this specific scenario. Drat.


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