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Portable vape suggestions by Edwin Heblingsone - Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:26:53 EST ID:21LJiwTw No.1648 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys, I haven't been here in a while but I'm thinking about getting a second vape. I already own an EQ 4.0, I've had it for about 4 years now and it's my only piece currently.

I have about $150 to spend and I think I want to get a portable vape to carry in my car for discrete blazing, can you guys recommend me the best option for my price range?

I mainly vape flower
Phoebe Pirringstock - Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:30:53 EST ID:6z4EOgqd No.1708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah, the one in your picture
Fanny Grimworth - Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:30:26 EST ID:PiT2rgZU No.1709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, go with the Arizer solo.
Isabella Clundletodge - Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:55:39 EST ID:v9lD7tE9 No.1738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Solo is the way to go, amazing flavor, good battery life, and awesome hits. Buy from a reseller you can find them for cheap. for serious stealth use a dab pen + Smoke buddy/homemade equivalent.

DIY Vape kits by Basil Duckson - Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:37:51 EST ID:4MI5Uo5N No.1628 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, /vape/
I'm looking into mixing my own juice, I have a few questions:
+Is it really as cheap as people say? One guy claimed he was paying 2 orders of magnitude less! How much did any DIYers here end up actually investing in it, and how much does a 10ml cost you now?
+Some sites offer 'kits', the one I'm looking at has all the basic equipment you'd need plus 50ml 50mg/l nicotine, plus 2x100ml bottles of PG or VG, plus 3x10ml flavours for something around £30 (around $45 US). Is this good, or could I get it significantly cheaper shopping around and sourcing things from ebay etc?
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William Channermug - Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:59:59 EST ID:+tS6UIQ6 No.1704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
if you're making your own juice, MAKE SURE YOU WEAR GLOVES!

Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin, and you will be working with high concentrations of nicotine! Spilling even a small amount of nicotine base at 76-100mg/ml will get you feeling sick at the very least.
Faggy Carringladge - Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:28:04 EST ID:s74T/9WX No.1705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know why people buy nicotine solutions that concentrated. 60mg of nicotine is a lethal dose in humans, so if you ingest even 1ml of that stuff there's a real chance you're going to fucking die. Hope it was worth the couple bucks you saved.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Thu, 21 Jan 2016 16:14:53 EST ID:FQqBsOIH No.1707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thats overgeneralizing the matter, but it seems like a good, conservative safety statement.

and maybe im just wrongly assuming that people have cokmmon sense but i think that everybody whos handling these solutions would be wise enough to use gloves.

plus, it doesnt get absorbed instantanously and the vg/pg can be rinsed off with water.
Sophie Sammerbet - Sun, 24 Jan 2016 09:39:27 EST ID:fRB8tm1L No.1716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you are thinking of getting into it just cost up your supplies. I can buy 500ml of PG or VG base here in retail establishments for about 5 pounds. On Ebay by the litre for something like £9 with delivery. The flavourings are 10-30ml bottles as is the nicotine base in various concentrations for a few pounds. Some of the more exotic ones can cost up to £5.

They produce charts explaining volumetric mixing or if you've got your own scales and a calculator you can easily work it out. I think when I glanced at it I figured out once the initial purchases are made the stuff is so cheap to make as to be practically free.

The thing is you can buy 80:20 PG/VG liquids in basic flavours here for such a low price (like less than £1/10ml) that unless you want to make something special, simple economy isn't usually the driving motivation.

So then you've got to start looking at more exotic and expensive flavourings, expanding your collection, dealing with storage, handling, clean up and other paraphernalia and cost in your time. At which point you might as well just buy what you want from a half decent supplier that makes their own (plenty local and online here) unless you enjoy doing it.

30ml of 'good' juice in 20:80 PG/VG or even pure VG with decent flavours can be had here with comparable EU or UK ingredients like you'd buy to make your own 'premium' liquids for under £5 a bottle. Yeah, ok I might be able to make 500ml of it for £25 and this is approx 1/3rd of the price, but how much are you getting through? How much time are you willing to invest?
Ebenezer Shakecocke - Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:35:03 EST ID:EOo0C0g4 No.1731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Been mixing my own liquid for a while now after spending way too much (10ml a day [£5 a day essentially]). Bought everything separate as opposed to a kit, most kits come with only 100ml of vg/pg whereas you can buy each for £6 on amazon, meaning it works out about £1> a bottle.
It isn't particularly time consuming, just a lot of transferring of liquids. In terms of steeping, they obviously taste better once steeped but it isn't essential. I'd recommend buying quite a few bottles, then mixing some liquid and putting some aside to steep, whilst vaping the others.
Also high concentrated nicotine isn't dangerous if you aren't a retard, gloves are the best protection but I often don't use them (lazy) and if I get some on me I just wash it off.

VAAAPE by Minx - Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:42:28 EST ID:vfaW8tJc No.1701 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Faggy Carringladge - Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:29:42 EST ID:s74T/9WX No.1706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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PORTABLE VAPORIZER SUGGESTIONS by OP - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:40:15 EST ID:l8OYCNH7 No.1674 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys,
I am here because I need your help to make a decision.

I smoke weed for some years now and heard vaping is better for your lungs than joints, also you need less material. After a quick calculation I found out I would save around 250€ per year (probably even more) when I stop smoking joints and start vaping. Health issues aside (but would be a pro).

So I looked the past couple of days around the web which portable vapes are good, pros and cons and what I can purchase in Europe. I narrowed down my selection to these vaporizers, sorted from cheapest to most expensive:
  • Flowermate V5.0S or the mini ~120€
(con: I read that the metal piece at the mouth could get pretty hot)
  • Vapium Summit ~160€
(con: I read that the mouth piece could get hot)
  • Arizer Air ~190€

I know I could even get a Crafty for ~260€ because it would be profitable after a year, but that much money isn't worth it imo. My price range lies between 100 and 200€.
A friend told me to wait and first try it in Amsterdam in the summer, but I don't wanna wait that long. So, is it really worth it? ANd do you have any experience with one of listed vapes or do you have other recommendations?
OP - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:41:17 EST ID:l8OYCNH7 No.1675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jenny Fanridge - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:51:14 EST ID:QvVUt65F No.1679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The MFLB (Magic Flight Launch Box) is something I've used for a year or two now and really enjoy. It has a bit of a learning curve since you're directly applying a current to the mesh that heats it up by pushing in the battery, but it gives you a lot of control. I've used a Pax and still stick with my MFLB.

It has a lifetime warranty too, so as long as it doesn't work you can ship it in and get whatever parts don't work replaced.

The original maple kit is $120 + S/H, but if you ever need new batteries don't buy them from the magic flight site -- You can get more powerful batteries for cheaper if you just buy 4-pack of duracell/energizer rechargeable NiM batteries from a store.

Let me know if you have any questions about it!
Graham Snodhood - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:28:00 EST ID:PPe1acSw No.1690 Ignore Report Quick Reply

look at the indica, it's good.

Noob question here by Nathaniel Findleman - Sat, 09 Jan 2016 04:44:00 EST ID:H+wmg8qb No.1593 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys, sorry for the newfag question, but my friend recently bought a vape for the first time, a Pax 2.

We wanna try and smoke hash with it, but we're not sure if we've been doing it correctly, anyone have experience using hash in vaporizers?

We've just been cutting it fine and inserting it into the oven wrapped in a bit of tobacco. Is that retarded?
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Sophie Gadgestone - Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:16:46 EST ID:H+wmg8qb No.1626 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Thanks for the reply, do you think we can simply cut it up like one does for a pipe, or would whole pieces work just as well? I know this isn't /weed/, so sorry for the slightly off-topic discussion.
Priscilla Sumblepure - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 03:52:36 EST ID:IE/w03Wc No.1635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You still need to grind it up fine enough so it can heat up uniformaly.
Samuel Cleshstock - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 05:16:05 EST ID:H+wmg8qb No.1636 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Thanks man.
Barnaby Surringlock - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:33:48 EST ID:TdBEiuh7 No.1644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the more you break it up the more surface area there is, the more uniform the heating of the hash will be and your vaping process will be more efficient (in terms of how many actives are in each draw)

if you just chuck a log of hash in there it will heat and vape it from the outside in which is gonna take longer and means at some point you'll boil enough of the active chemicals out of this outer layer essentially leaving behind a crust of plant matter that prevents the inner part which still contains cannabinoids from being able to properly vaporize

i mean thats generally how its going to happen, of course it'll differ depending on the quality and type of hash
Hamilton Blathershit - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 04:39:08 EST ID:aAlHyYKa No.1688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I had a friend who had one of those. Let me just say, be very careful. The way you are doing it is actually the only way to preserve the device. If you let the resin build up on the sides it will gum it up and eventually he was not able to open the device without breaking it, simply because the resin buildup was so sticky. He did not smoke tobacco. End report.
Also, i do not second that you have to break up the buds, unless they are compressed. (but if you were doing hash it doesn't even matter) Adding the surface area from the volume is marginally productive when under convective heat transfer. You want to do that with hash because your sheets are not thin i am assuming, but with the whole buds most bowls just aren't built for the kind of vertical integration you get with a piece like this. I'd say the combustion was top par for whole nugs, but you need to be careful that the resin doesn't build up and you get the thing stuck till it breaks. Best of luck op.

Blue Moon Flavor? by Jenny Fanridge - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:41:48 EST ID:QvVUt65F No.1677 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've been vaping for a couple years now and finally found my ADV: Blue Moon. It's a nice light flavor that as a friend put it "tastes like what vaping looks like". Problem is that the only kind I can find -- Noname's Blue Moon -- is $20 for 15mL!

Does anyone know of any sites that have a Blue Moon flavor in bulk for cheap?
Jenny Fanridge - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:45:15 EST ID:QvVUt65F No.1678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just as I posted this I found out that Madtown vapor has it at a good quantity and price.

Which one? by Kool Dude - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:47:04 EST ID:HO29PzC5 No.1640 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Which one, in your opinion, would be better?

(i know it would be better to order by parts, but im too lazy for it)

fasttech . com/products/0/10014483/2453000-authentic-joyetech-evic-vt-60w-5000mah-tc-vw


fasttech . com/products/0/10014483/3331400-authentic-joyetech-evic-vtc-mini-60w-tc-vw
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Oliver Wemmlemut - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:57:39 EST ID:EItd655N No.1642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love my cuboid except for the hard 25 amp limit
Ernest Brabberhot - Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:10:20 EST ID:XY1S5JjT No.1643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you build coils necessitating more than 125W?
Jenny Sushforth - Thu, 14 Jan 2016 00:53:10 EST ID:EItd655N No.1646 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I generally build low, for example i've got a .13 build atm and it's maxed out at 81.3w, it's not a problem with higher resistance builds
Ernest Brabberhot - Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:33:04 EST ID:XY1S5JjT No.1647 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's indeed 25A at the atty but, assuming 90% efficiency and both batteries at 2.5V cutoff or 5V in series, the current on the batteries is 18A and, with both batteries at nominal voltage, the current is 12A.
Martha Sannermodge - Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:27:49 EST ID:XY1S5JjT No.1656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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read up a bit more about that 25A limit
good on calling that out here
probably wouldn't have known otherwise


Should I vape? by Isabella Trotfield - Sun, 10 Jan 2016 00:33:24 EST ID:DVOlDfmo No.1601 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I never smoked before in my life, but for some reason, my mind cannot seem to grasp the idea of an electronic cigarette thinking that in some way it's lesser than a regular cigarette and almost as low as a candy cigarette.

For someone who has never smoked before. Do you recommend them to start vaping?
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Lydia Pobbernud - Sun, 10 Jan 2016 09:52:25 EST ID:jzlZjtws No.1607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's easier to disassociate vaping with smoking as a whole when you get something like pic related vs your blu cigalike. I was already off the cigs before I started vaping and I'd say sure, go for it. I can say with confidence that there's far less bad shit in e juice vs tobacco if any at all.
Barnaby Sommerham - Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:34:26 EST ID:DA0Kc/70 No.1612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no. unless you really feel like it. I went against all advice when I started smoking--or doing anything else, for that matter--so I get it when people do it, anyway. but, if you're just asking if you should, the answer is no. that's going to be the answer to this kind of question, no matter what board you're on.
Jarvis Billingspear - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:14:15 EST ID:lGHe6WlI No.1621 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Do you know why I vape? Because I couldn't quit nicotine. With all of my willpower, I couldn't fucking quit.

It's insidious, and it will take over your mind.

Just do what >>1607 says and get nicotine free liquids. If you're really itching to blow clouds or something.

You've been warned.
John Wingerworth - Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:17:12 EST ID:Xgm9Udpz No.1622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In short, no. I personally smoked cigarettes for about a year or so socially then started buying my own. Slowly I started getting further into cigarettes although I never reached addiction. One day I was about to buy another pack when I saw a shitty little ecig like Blu but it was called Square.
I haven't had a cigarette since and that was about 3 years ago BUT I became addicted to nicotine through my mod. I say addicted to ecig > cigarettes so I feel like it did save me in that aspect, but now I'm more addicted to nicotine than ever.

Do you mind becoming a small time addict over a long period of time? Cause that's basically what you sign up for.
On the plus side, vaping is fucking glorious, I love doing it.
Phoebe Nappernuck - Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:01:01 EST ID:s74T/9WX No.1632 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yea, be wary of this. Vaping will get you FAR more addicted than smoking ever could. It's just so easy to take another hit. You don't have to go outside, there's no bad smell, and it never goes out.
I haven't smoked in almost a year thanks to my vape, but I'm sure as hell 10x more addicted than I ever was as a smoker. The one time I DID relapse and go back to cigarettes, I smoked twice as much as I ever did before because I was so used to having my nicotine fix whenever I wanted it with my vape.

Decent quality fruit/sweet flavour juice recommendations? by Kara !!Q6ntHZdl - Sat, 02 Jan 2016 01:13:14 EST ID:6laHle2p No.1557 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /vape/. I picked up vaping about a month ago and have been using Hangsen liquids which I'll have to admit I don't find very tasty at all, I think part of the reason is that I'm using 24mg (I'll switch to 12mg next time if it makes it much more enjoyable).

I wondered if anybody could recommend me high quality juice brands that aren't too expensive, I'm looking for something I can buy in the 30-50ml range so I can keep it going for a while.

So far I've tried the Hangsen Watermelon, Amaretto and Mango flavours but I've not found any to have that great of a flavour despite me thoroughly enjoying their physical counterparts.
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Esther Brallyham - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 05:17:20 EST ID:s74T/9WX No.1567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Best juice you're gonna find at such low prices:


Quetzalcoatl !KDjYWIiOiM - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 02:39:01 EST ID:QBnByFaF No.1574 Report Quick Reply
Their (The Standard) G35 is so fucking good.
Eugene Neddleman - Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:01:19 EST ID:s74T/9WX No.1580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>extremely large amounts
Compared to what? Not cigarettes.
Faggy Trotdale - Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:14:17 EST ID:W9vLfb+S No.1609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
can bouch for vapewild. read the reviews tho and id reccomed 65 vg for flavor as thier max vg lacks that abit.

they send u free juice too :)
AC !QqL8nX9URE - Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:55:28 EST ID:0VKJkdBR No.1610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Luckily I live close by to a nice vapeshop and know the guy who runs it so I get to have my juice mixed in front of me/get good advice on what to get. One kick ass flavor OP is called Cereal Killer. It tastes like Crunchberries.

Just stay the fuck away from vapure.com. Those fucks sold me a good, labeled bottle of the stuff then when I ordered another batch they sent some shit they made in a sink. Cheap ass bottle with magic marker as a label, flavor was more akin to butterscotch and the juice was a runny mess. I pointed all this out to them and they said it was just a new batch that needed to steep, never mind the difference in product/labeling.

new to vaping, wanna start vaping pot oil by Fucking Blatherwell - Wed, 30 Dec 2015 02:00:55 EST ID:SqTPWvbc No.1541 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I don't know any thing about vaping, I'm thinking about getting the eVic-VT mini, what's a good head thing to use pot oil with? Where can I learn about what's the business with coils and cotton?
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Frederick Pemmertadge - Thu, 31 Dec 2015 06:48:15 EST ID:bY+dlNal No.1547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know what people mean when they say pot oil. I'm assuming straight hash oil, for that, you'd be better off with a concentrate pen. If I were you I'd just get a rig with a banger.

If you really want to do it and do it right you'll need a mod with decent power 50+ as well as a rebuildable atomizer (the head thing you're talking about, even though you mean a tank).

You basically build your own coil with kanthal wire, and then you put some organic or japanese cotton through it, then saturate your cotton wick with e-juice (vegetable glycerin will work) and then drip hash oil onto the coil. You probably don't care about vaping nicotine, so you can either spend 50-100 USD on a decent box mod (IPV4S) and a decent RDA (Mutation x V4) which will be wasted potential, or you can buy a mini rig, torch, and quartz banger. Or you just get a g-pen made for hash oil, wax, budder, or whatever the fuck concentrate pot oil is.

For more general vape help, watch pbusardo, hankvapes, and riptrippers. If you want to learn, they have the info, riptrippers is a weirdo though.
Frederick Pemmertadge - Thu, 31 Dec 2015 06:50:22 EST ID:bY+dlNal No.1548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
also looked up your mod, it gives you 60 watts for a similar price of the IPV4S which is 120 watts. So really, if you want something smaller and since you don't seem to care about vaping nicotine concentrates that vtc mini will work for what you want to accomplish. Maybe they make hash oil tank heads, just do some research.
Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:23:57 EST ID:4RfZzrbJ No.1551 Report Quick Reply
75w actually. And I dunno where you're seeing an IPV4S for $30.
Quetzalcoatl !KDjYWIiOiM - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 02:45:17 EST ID:QBnByFaF No.1575 Report Quick Reply
Pot oil means concentrates. Sticky stuff, so the cotton wick works against you. What you want to do is make a Clapton coil and small inner diameter to get surface area. Warm up the coil a little bit, enough to melt off some concentrate into it without it being overly saturated. All the little channels in the coil hold the oil well and you can get really nice hits off it. Dry burning to clean and you're good to go. Hash oil does not like to mix with PG or VG very much, and the oils/terpenes are sticky it doesn't melt into it awfully well. This is why stuff like EJMix/Puff Magic and other products are popular, they're a blend of PEG's and sometimes a bit of PG in them as well that do saturate with hash oil well and allows for use in tanks/dripping, but most people say it has a distinct taste to it. Those Gpens aren't very good either. Clapton coil works fine if you want to skip those products. Plus you can set watts to do low-temp hits or high temp. You could do dual coils and it would fuck you up.
Lydia Senderhit - Sun, 10 Jan 2016 02:35:48 EST ID:CAxctfYr No.1605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
got the TRON -s, its great

All-in-one Vape by Jack Hidgebury - Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:55:37 EST ID:AiIOgFOT No.1550 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Okay, you're probably getting this a lot, but here is another vaping newfag with a question.

I wanted to get a vaporizer for dry herbs for a while now. But as I am a heavy nicotine smoker, It would be really nice to be able to vape e-liquid too.
I really like the modular design of power source + atomizer, but apparently there are no dry herb-atomizers that really vape the material instead of combusting it.

I'm interested in the V2 series, but they use non-standard atomizers (magnetic cartridges) and I'm not sure if they are any good.

There is also the Haze Dual V3, which seems to be very good for herbs and it supports e-liquid but all the reviews focus on the herb-part and also it's quite expensive for my taste.

Do you have any experience with multi-purpose vaporizers, and know any good models?
Angus Fobberchet - Fri, 01 Jan 2016 01:41:20 EST ID:iMWkdM0D No.1553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
expensive as fuck better get a Ceramic Dry Content from fasttech for any 510 threaded mod
for only $6
Ian Bliblingwit - Sat, 02 Jan 2016 12:56:35 EST ID:8BaQJ/kk No.1562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
better off using the right tool for the right job, only vapes i know that can do herb and oil effectively are the Vaponic and an iolite with a cotton ball.

probably better off getting a good oil pen and a good herb vape
Simon Demmledin - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:04:12 EST ID:uWhFjxUR No.1570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
never buy haze. I got the haze v2. worst decision of my life.

Also, their dumass marketing department sends you fucking shit to your shipping AND billing address. goodbye privacy. hope u like everyone knowing you smoke pot.
Lydia Collyville - Sat, 09 Jan 2016 05:34:19 EST ID:8lTo551n No.1594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not OP, but I looked into the one you recommended.

What is it and how does it work? All the comments are way over my head.

I'm looking for something I can vape weed with without having to prepare oil, if that's even possible.

mark ten by Phyllis Sobblewet - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:25:21 EST ID:LoceAxMm No.1577 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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i got one of these with 2 extra cartridges and after discovering that the regular flavor tastes like ass and the menthol is decent at best i found a video showing how to put your own liquid into them, i tried it out and it works perfectly, and it was only like 10 bucks for the thing
Phyllis Sobblewet - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:26:34 EST ID:LoceAxMm No.1578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
anyone else tried these? apparently a lot of people hack the cartridges and put their own juice into them like I did
Eugene Neddleman - Wed, 06 Jan 2016 04:18:36 EST ID:s74T/9WX No.1581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hannah Dazzlechatch - Fri, 08 Jan 2016 21:24:48 EST ID:cgtUyWdn No.1590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would recommend just getting a decent pen vape and refillable cart, if you want to start basic. Don't buy juice from any c-store retail shop, look for a specialty vape shop, as they will have a wider selection of juices, higher quality flavors, and options on nicotine strength and VG-to-PG ratios.

But, after a while, you'll probably want to just upgrade to a nice mech or box mod, for the true cloud-chaser experience.

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