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Dwarf Fortress General by Yuna - Thu, 28 May 2015 20:52:03 EST ID:X0axUq69 No.626427 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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New players:
This will set you up with the game, a tileset, Dwarf Therapist, and DFhack: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076
This is the quickstart guide: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Quickstart_guide
Keep the wiki open.

Once you're in game, you can start the visualizer by entering stonesense into dfhack. / brings up the keys.
Once you're acquainted with the game, I'd suggest trying Masterwork DF: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125638.0

Or some of the other mods:http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=27.0

On the edge of the seemingly endless, sinister frozen swamps, a volcano suddenly juts out, soaring a hundred stories above the perfectly flat plains.

This place shall be our new home. And we shall call it Glitterpiss.
We arrived in early spring, before the snows thawed. Early reports indicated that the creeping death was growing hungry.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:12:15 EST ID:AfimzKDz No.626471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I haven't played it but from my understanding theres so much shit going on at once and so much shit can happen that its player interface is confusing as all fuck, kinda like Space Station 13
Ken Masters - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:14:27 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.626473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not saying its a shit game I just don't see why the controls are nonsense and the graphics fucked like this. Like if it was easier to control and see whats going on it could still be an awesome game with lots of possibilities and shit. I feel like 90% of the so called appeal is from the shit design
Yuna - Fri, 29 May 2015 02:47:54 EST ID:X0axUq69 No.626482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The controls are unintuitive at first, but they're designed so you can place as many different things as quickly as possible. It's the exact opposite of ss13 where the interface seems designed to slow you down.
Once you get used to it, it feels a lot more natural.

Don't listen to >>626468

Immigrants arrived, bringing our number to 15.
Shortly after, the underground tunnel surrounding the area was completed.
During a brief respite from the strange monsters that keep wandering into the area, the lockdown was lifted, and all 6 miners were sent to dig from surface, to the underground tunnel, leaving a deep trench.

But a simple trench isn't going to stop some tentacled abomination from creeping up the walls. So the side of the volcano was dug out. By methodically carving out stairs along the side, we were able to breech the volcano without any casualties.

But a tiny bit of magma would take forever to fill in the moat. So we repeated the procedure until the hole was about 6 stories high.
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Andrew Ryan - Fri, 29 May 2015 06:57:12 EST ID:xWF0gLwe No.626495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I just don't see why the controls are nonsense and the graphics fucked like this.

Mostly because Tarn (the guy who makes the game) hasn't bothered or found a good way to make it look decent yet, instead focusing on the internal game mechanics, which he has admitted to being a clusterfuck beyond comparison on several occasions. He is a self-taught programmer, so there's lots of old, really bad code.

>I feel like 90% of the so called appeal is from the shit design

You might be on to something here. I wouldn't say 90% as the game really can be a lot of fun, but I'll admit that I would never have checked it out if it wasn't labelled "the hardest game to get into".

For me a lot of the appeal comes from the simple graphics though, not because I think it's shit, but because bad/simple graphics give a whole different feel to games. Somehow it feels more immersive to me that way, I'm not sure why. Maybe it forces me to use my imagination more, who knows. It's like the original X-com games. They look like ass by today's standards, but they are scary and tense as fuck. X-com enemy within (the "remake") doesn't have any of this, although admittedly it is a really good remake with lots of other great things going for it.

Went a bit off track here, but you touched on a topic I think is interesting.
Ken Masters - Fri, 29 May 2015 07:37:23 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.626501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Somehow it feels more immersive to me that way
Same man. The only games I can really get into are 10-15 year old games. For some odd reason, I actually don't know why, I can't enjoy newer games that much as older games. It's not just nostalgia, because even if I haven't ever played a, lets say, 2002 game before, and I pick it up now and it's a decent game, chances are I'll get into it and play it just for fun, while with newer games, I do enjoy the gameplay and the eye candy but not in the same way. The whole experience feels different and plastic and less immersive somehow. I dunno what's this about man, but I blame the graphics being literally too good. it doesn't require as much imagination and immersion from the player that way. Here's a rare pepe for being a good sport in this conversation.

Fighting Games General by Ermac - Fri, 29 May 2015 06:41:26 EST ID:PY9ZYNSm No.626493 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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We haven't had a thread in a while.

I haven't played Street Fighter 4 in two years, but I bought it the other day on PS4. I'm constantly getting my ass kicked, though. Any tips on how to git gud?
Quan Chi - Fri, 29 May 2015 07:03:59 EST ID:rLXibIgx No.626497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tatsummaki/shoruken spam.

[name redacted] !6fGmhrVKuE - Fri, 29 May 2015 07:33:08 EST ID:/eqwzSx/ No.626500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Online or offline? Because it might be in the Starcraft 2 stage where the only people still playing are basically the people that play it every day and are masters at the game, like I can't even get a game on the PC version for SFXT anymore.

Also anyone here hype for Evo this year? I think it's pretty stupid that they took out BlazBlue after debuting it last year while they have TWO (2) fucking Smash bros games on there. Especially considering that Blazblue's finals and Garireo's performance overall is considered by just about everybody to have been the best part about last year's event, which isn't a blow to other games, but just a testament to how hype it was.

This is a pretty good shortened version for anyone that didn't see it, would definitely recommend watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPPe2qbF3dQ&feature=youtu.be&t=11m9s

Doom Brutalinski by Neurotic Fish - Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:11:35 EST ID:RnlqlRpu No.598605 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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who else plays the shit out of Brutal Doom?

what are your favorite .wads and .pk's?
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Officer Tenpenny - Fri, 22 May 2015 14:33:31 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.625620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sensless Oculars - Sat, 23 May 2015 16:34:38 EST ID:N7xco4KB No.625738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've read somewhere at the FB-Forums for this mod, that others who also wanted to build some wolfenstein-projects want to add the enemies from Brutal Wolfenstein!
If this is true: Fuck every other shooter on this planet!

And now imaginine playing this in coop!!!

(why were there no coop-WW-shooters out there, and why still aren't?)
Tremendous Graefin - Fri, 29 May 2015 03:35:45 EST ID:7jdXmred No.626484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Things I realized:
The Brutal Doom Community is the most chill community I've encountered in a while.
Even spoke to Sgt and all the drama was created around brutal Doom is pathetic.

Biggest Difference:
Visit a Group or a Forum fo Brutal Doom-Users:
"yeah! lets have fun ripping and tearing! Heres a wad for you!"

Visit the ZDoom-Forum for example:
*bam!* get slapped in the face with a shitload of rules (obviously they hate everything brutal doom related!), your comments must be approved and these guys jerking off to vanilla that it begs the question why they want to mod at all.
"Oh, and don't forget we will restrict the compatibility of our mods, so you can't brutalize them!"

This is why we can't have nice things.
Professor Oak - Fri, 29 May 2015 04:50:16 EST ID:XC7NDtYc No.626487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yeah the drama is dumb. I personally agree with that one blog post saying brutal doom misses the point, but to get so mad about it as people often do on forums is ridiculous. People have modified and added to Doom for over a decade, there's nothing wrong with Brutal Doom existing and people enjoying it.
Simple Pimple - Fri, 29 May 2015 07:08:30 EST ID:7jdXmred No.626499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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yes, there eis really an update for this! :-)

Life is Strange general discussion by Rikimaru - Mon, 25 May 2015 20:45:42 EST ID:AsLJRcsJ No.626046 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The bump while playing thread we were discussing this in is auto saging so I figured we would just have a dedicated thread about this.
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[name redacted] !6fGmhrVKuE - Wed, 27 May 2015 02:20:56 EST ID:H5bRjhlm No.626243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Man some people get crazily invested in these games. Anyone remember that Lexi Porter girl who came up with the whole Cluke thing from Walking Dead Season 2 where she was shipping Clementine and Luke and was making weekly videos of them together? Was creepy as fuck. Also read something in the old forums about a girl trying to kill herself after Luke died and was posting from hospital or some shit like that. Could've been a troll bu there are better places to troll than the Walking Dead wiki page.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:46:20 EST ID:UdP7/p2a No.626463 Report Quick Reply
Chloe was always destined to die somehow someway. I do think though there could be a situation where Max sacrifices her life to save Arcadia Bay and perhaps Chloe's life as well or after she dies.
Riku - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:54:58 EST ID:29D/aoBq No.626478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How do we stop it from happening?!
Riku - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:58:23 EST ID:29D/aoBq No.626479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you know how it feels to take ALL video games as LITERAL as I have done for as long as I can remember? At least with this game one is allowed to make choices through a concept known as Cause of Denial where, as far as I have read, to make it to one episode there has to be a challenge to overcome.

If there are any challenges to overcome... what would be the choicest?
Andrew Ryan - Fri, 29 May 2015 07:00:13 EST ID:xWF0gLwe No.626496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Keep in mind that he just posted a fan theory. Nothing of the sort has been confirmed, although I'd say it's a fair guess, and I've seen a picture that was either leaked or photoshopped that would support his theory.

As for your question, how the fuck would we know? I guess you just gotta wait for the next episodes like the rest of us.

Eternal Lands by Tifa Lockheart - Fri, 29 May 2015 06:06:22 EST ID:y1IMNgiY No.626492 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You gotta try this once in your life // Come spam @6
Ken Masters - Fri, 29 May 2015 06:48:16 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.626494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
provide more info op. im not convinced.

Screenshot Thread 3: Gug's Revenge by nascher - Fri, 03 Apr 2015 21:29:06 EST ID:w77ovW5m No.619147 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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scrimshaw thread
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Raphael Sorel - Thu, 28 May 2015 21:03:33 EST ID:VIDdXr/X No.626430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I love a good story.
Yuna - Thu, 28 May 2015 21:18:29 EST ID:X0axUq69 No.626432 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, it only applies to multiplayer games.
Ms. Pac-Man - Fri, 29 May 2015 02:22:16 EST ID:Q/2+ADit No.626481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The ladies dig it, even if he don't know it.
[name redacted] !6fGmhrVKuE - Fri, 29 May 2015 05:42:55 EST ID:/eqwzSx/ No.626490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Family photo, I'm the Argonian wearing scaled armour ha, get it? and Lydia is wearing Nordic armour. I've got like level 65 smithing so I made both of our armours and current weapons, except for my Ebony bow but I can't remember wear I picked it up. When I first adopted Sofie I bought her a green dress, but I gave her a red dress instead because I lose her when I play hide and seek outside with a red dress. It's really hard to take a picture with her it's why the picture isn't that great because she's always running around. I hope she calms down a bit when she gets older. She's actually the reason that I joined the Stormcloaks though, because her father died fighting for them. She means the world to me. Sometimes I feel guilty about leaving her alone, I mean she has Rayya but she's always out chopping wood or whatever she does, and the bard but he's annoying. That's probably why she's always outside when I see her, to get away from his horrible singing. I sort of want to adopt someone else so she can play with them, but I'm not sure on whether to adopt a boy or girl. There was a cute boy at the orphanage in Riften but I'd feel bad adopting him away and leaving all the other kids behind, I wish I could adopt them all. I mean she does have a pet fox that she bought home one time, and it follows her around anywhere, but maybe she needs a human to talk to because she always runs up to me so happy every time I come home. I've been thinking about maybe asking Lydia to marry me though, but I'm scared she'll say no and leave me. Sofie seems happy around her and Lydia's been with me like forever, but I'm just scared because she's a Nord and I'm just an Argonian. Like would she even want me man? I don't even wear heavy armour let alone use a blade, I just sit at the back shooting arrows. She probably thinks I'm a pussy and only follows me because it's her job. I don't know guys, I'm just really scared. In a perfect world she'd be married to me and we'd adopt the whole orphanage to give them all better lives and to keep Sofie happy, but I guess this isn't a perfect world. Fuck my life.
Miles Edgeworth - Fri, 29 May 2015 07:07:26 EST ID:l4n0PTgW No.626498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Completely lost in the dungeons

cyberpunk hack -& slay diablo clone Restricted Area by Hellsnury Crincklewitch - Fri, 22 May 2015 13:39:56 EST ID:raZLk/yv No.625617 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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somebody remembers this game?

I played it when I was bored and didn't have any other games to play.

It's pretty much garbage and obviously made by people who never made good videogames before (coop was pretty fucked up! You couldn't leave town!).

And you fought the same enemies from start to finish, over and over again...

Why don't we have good cyberpunk-diablo-clones?
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Birdo - Fri, 22 May 2015 19:25:33 EST ID:AuYbirDr No.625665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh and Deus Ex of course. It's like after that came out, no one even tried to surpass it.
Blade & Striker - Fri, 22 May 2015 22:24:07 EST ID:XXLvHQ7R No.625693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She got abs like a jojo.
Dr.Zip - Fri, 29 May 2015 04:00:03 EST ID:du1TrU/h No.626485 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Snatcher for Sega CD

Time Trax
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 29 May 2015 05:36:11 EST ID:fm76x9z4 No.626489 Report Quick Reply
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I'd say XGIII is a pretty good cyberpunk racing game.
It's definitely my favorite racing game. Feels so satisfying to finally finish the fucking game and unlock the cyborg racing team. The Gamecube version is the best because of the controls.
Seifer Almasy - Fri, 29 May 2015 05:47:26 EST ID:9MCgVJC9 No.626491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No mentions for Nitronic Rush?

Cock_Dogs by Marshall Law - Thu, 28 May 2015 03:09:40 EST ID:QoRzJWfU No.626358 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, is there anyone who still playing this?
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Ibuki - Thu, 28 May 2015 04:49:44 EST ID:iTmnWpu/ No.626371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd say you lucked out, honestly.
Larry Laffer - Thu, 28 May 2015 07:20:55 EST ID:ExSRGjwU No.626377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>did they even fix that awful PC version?
As I know, the last patch fixed the downgraded graphics, now Watch_Dogs with it's oficial patch look's better than the mod of Worse(the guy who unlocked hidden E3 2012 graphic files).
Larry Laffer - Thu, 28 May 2015 07:58:11 EST ID:ExSRGjwU No.626378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The game is fun and interesting, but after finishing the main story and side missions, there is nothing else that will keep you playing it.
There is ton of things that they should add in the future sequel, it's empty and becoming boring quickly.
Daxter - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:52:41 EST ID:8gs3utLD No.626477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it was an amazing, and original idea in terms of game-play, style, and the type of messages that could be delivered thru story. It didn't capitalize on the idea, and fell short. Two has already been in development so that means they started trying to fix their fuck up and finalize the idea proper or they just gonna pump more shit out for quick cash.
Siegfried Schtauffen - Fri, 29 May 2015 05:27:13 EST ID:6IygDYcL No.626488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does it really look like the E3 build now, or is it just marginally better looking than launch, but still looks like ass?

I never had a SNES as a kid, so... by Sackboy - Sun, 24 May 2015 20:14:03 EST ID:EyugKEqP No.625909 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I missed out on a whoooole lot of good games as a kid. I finally got around to installing a SNES emulator and got roms for Super Metroid, Mega Man X, LoZ:LttP, and Chrono Trigger.
How are all these games SO much better than 99% of what's been released in the past decade? I played FF7 when I was 15 or 16 and was underwhelmed, so I've always assumed it was just nostalgia goggles that had people calling these games masterpieces; I don't think I've ever been so wrong in my entire life.
Pic related, I've been having so much fun playing Link to the Past.

I'm sure these four will keep me busy for a good deal of time, so after that, what else do I absolutely need to play? I also never had an N64, so if you guys can recommend a good emulator and games that I can't miss, I'd appreciate it. Finally, if any SNES or N64 games that have been remade for GBA or DS are better on those systems, please let me know.
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King Hippo - Thu, 28 May 2015 12:25:56 EST ID:1ZIXwhUU No.626391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe if you're cheating to shit. Timed attacks can do up to 2x damage, you frequently use jumping to get frog coins or flower points (which early on may not matter but end-game they do) and there's a bunch of minigames and shit which use timed jumping, usually even with music (which I've heard can be pretty asynchronized on emulators).
King Hippo - Thu, 28 May 2015 12:27:09 EST ID:1ZIXwhUU No.626392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
P.s. yes I am mad people are defending shitty controls.

Kos-Mos - Thu, 28 May 2015 18:38:10 EST ID:1sI0HwDW No.626418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol k
Get mad about it. It's not gonna stop people from emulating on their phones. All I was saying is he could be playing much worse given the input, and he could. Don't sweat your dick off, HR Huff 'n Puff.
Peppy Hare - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:43:00 EST ID:Of4EFyNN No.626476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Seiken Densetsu 3 never made it to the west but it's a must play.

Probably one of the best action RPGs back in the day next to Diablo. Can choose your own party and each character has multiple paths. It's 2 player also.
Ken Masters - Fri, 29 May 2015 04:48:16 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.626486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have you ever tried emulating SNES on a phone? Unless your screen is ridiculously small the controls are pretty responsive. It isn't the best for platformers, true. I even play some racing games on it with no problem whatsoever. You're acting like you don't even have controls at all on a phone. Also what the fuck is your problem? Everyone can play whatever way they want, why do you even care? If people wanna play with shitty controls let them be, what does it matter to you? I don't get it man, you need to smoke some weed or something

Bump While Playing by Voldo - Mon, 25 May 2015 17:24:52 EST ID:2VxD97MR No.626029 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You all know the drill.
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Ken Masters - Thu, 28 May 2015 21:41:43 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.626438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nigga, it's not that easy to mix up mafia 1 and 2 given the 10 year difference. So yeah, I mean Mafia 2s ending, to me, it felt unfinished as fuck. You're right, the game was too short anyway. I got through it in like 3 days. Could've done it in one sitting If i really wanted to.Anyway that the game was shallow as fuck. Like you can't even continue freeroaming after you finished. Yeah you can load the previous chapters but meh... the whole game felt unfinished to me. Like you can't really do anything in the city besides pointlessly cruising around and doing the missions. I loved the game, great graphics for it's age, very well optimized, the atmosphere was spot on, and I enjoyed every single minute of it, but there was so much potential left in that game. It could've been GTA V sicily edition if they'd pay a little more attention to detail.
Jax - Thu, 28 May 2015 21:42:44 EST ID:qvrIkJeZ No.626440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You dudes playing swaggy ass games and I'm wasting my time playing this piece of shit clicker heroes game. Fuck. My whole arm hurts from so much clicking.
Panther Caroso - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:03:57 EST ID:DaWeHSVp No.626459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel as well. Probably will replay in the future for the story, much in the same way I'd rewatch a movie.
>Like you can't even continue freeroaming after you finished
I think they went that route to avoid coming off as a GTA clone. Too bad, because it would have benefited from that.

Fuckin' Mafia III when?
Ken Masters - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:06:25 EST ID:k4cSr4a9 No.626460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I think they went that route to avoid coming off as a GTA clone
I don't really think so. The game is a GTA clone already without that so no one would've given a fuck. I think it's more due to the fact they knew there wasn't enough to do after you finished. I completely feel like that game was rushed to release.
>Mafia 3 when?
I feel like that'd be like Half Life 3 when :( I really love the mafia universe tho
Panther Caroso - Fri, 29 May 2015 03:12:55 EST ID:DaWeHSVp No.626483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well there was a 9 year gap between 1 and 2. So maybe we'll see 3 in 2020.

This old PC game with a guy by Liu Kang - Thu, 28 May 2015 22:43:20 EST ID:nYHFdwrR No.626452 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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There was this old PC game with a guy in a pointy hat. It was a 2-D game and he threw coins at stuff.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

He threw coins at things.

I think his shirt was blue.

This was around 1997.
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Liu Kang - Thu, 28 May 2015 22:55:38 EST ID:nYHFdwrR No.626457 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Also, by "day care" I mean like extended-day care for elementary school students. Not like, pre-K daycare.

This was a somewhat functional platform game, not just something made to amuse preschoolers.
Siegfried Schtauffen - Thu, 28 May 2015 23:00:23 EST ID:6IygDYcL No.626458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Master-D - Fri, 29 May 2015 00:04:02 EST ID:2VxD97MR No.626464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That lizard is hardcore man.
Professor T. Bird - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:31:19 EST ID:1sI0HwDW No.626474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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San Andreas
John Shepard - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:42:48 EST ID:hEgaETMN No.626475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it treasure mountain OP?

Ocarina of Time and Majoras Mask by Sephiroth - Wed, 27 May 2015 15:50:16 EST ID:hEgaETMN No.626293 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm just about done with OoT for the first time in my life (young me didnt have the attention span to get through the whole game, I think the furthest I've gotten before this was just to dodongos cavern, isnt that sad) and I had a few questions about Majoras Mask before I started.
How is the difficulty compared to OoT?
Is this time limit an issue? Really thats the only thing that has kept me from playing this game
Is the time limit in effect when you're in dungeons and stuff?
Would you say MM is better or worse than OoT?

We can just have a OOT and MM general discussion too
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Lord Gwyn - Thu, 28 May 2015 18:04:30 EST ID:qvrIkJeZ No.626417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
B-but he is using tight leggings and his nono area is kinda sort of pronounced...

Well, I didn't expect this sort of response here, I thought 420chan loathed the exotic forms of erotic illustration. :3
Sir Daniel Fortesque - Thu, 28 May 2015 19:09:47 EST ID:fIHeIfWd No.626420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What NPCs from zelda does Mario tennis use?
Trainer Blue - Thu, 28 May 2015 19:59:41 EST ID:cjdtHTGi No.626425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey OP, how's MM going? How far are you?
John Shepard - Fri, 29 May 2015 00:50:47 EST ID:hEgaETMN No.626469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I got to the southern swamp
Idk about the gameplay so far, but I'm not that far and I think I'm just a bit overwhelmed.
the atmosphere and characters are great though I loved that cutscene where skullkid meets the fairies
Roll - Fri, 29 May 2015 01:13:48 EST ID:eArXU3D7 No.626472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They added an option in MM where if you click on Hints/help it solves puzzles for you...so yeah. I don't see how someone saying "dumbed down" isn't correct. lol

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