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Billy Mitchell gets banhammered by C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:00:24 EST ID:PwCWfMBI No.717445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Guinness World Records and Twin Galaxies removed his scores. Not the King of Kong anymore now.
Zhang Jiao - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:36:48 EST ID:b3zYB9tz No.717447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Welp better go back to the hot sauce!
Nightwolf - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 20:47:27 EST ID:4d9bW4W2 No.717459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Spinal - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:07:58 EST ID:aBgAYqXf No.717460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saw this earlier, good. Dude was a douche.
Travis Touchdown - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 22:46:18 EST ID:OU/m3p0x No.717462 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Steve Wiebe forever
Spinal - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:03:27 EST ID:4nOjBi40 No.717469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Todd Rogers went down too, just before this.
aka "Mr Activision" and a bunch of other stupid nicknames he gave himself. Dude was notable for being the first professional gamer, apparently: Activision used to fly him out to CES and shit to play Atari. That and having the record for longest-held top score, a super fast time in the garbage game Dragster.

Only it turns out his Dragster score was literally impossible, confirmed by TAS and code analysis. Which should have been obvious because he had a whole bunch of blatantly fucking impossible scores on Twin Galaxies. Like 65 MILLION in Centipede when the 2nd place record is 60,000, or a score of 1600 in another game which autokills you at 1300, or scores ending in 30 in games which only award points in increments of 50 or 100, or scores which would have required him to play uninterrupted longer than the world record for not sleeping.

There were fucking dozens of these scores and they stood for decades. Twin Galaxies never seemed to think any of that was questionable, even defending him. Did I mention Rogers was on TG staff for a while, and a lot of these scores were entered either by himself, or his referee girlfriend, or by his buddy Ron Corcoran who was later busted for entering his own impossible bullshit scores (and banging kids but whatever).

Todd Rogers was pals with Billy Mitchell too, and he was the ref who accepted several of Mitchell's fake Kong scores. So it was probably him being banned and stripped of all scores a couple weeks ago that made it possible to deal with Mitchell, even though people have known for ages that he was bogus.
Twin Galaxies has new owners and they seem to be systematically purging these fuckers finally. It's delightful.
Travis Touchdown - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 06:24:23 EST ID:OU/m3p0x No.717476 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, Twin Galaxies seems to have been governed by a lot of bullshit for decades. Everyone at the top seemed to treat it like a cool kids club when really they were all cheating bastards trying to protect one another from outsiders.
Miles Tails Prower - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 08:18:41 EST ID:58zEmwpV No.717479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How does this shit even get accepted as world record in the first place? Clearly it must have been based on nothing but video if they didn't even realize he was using a computer. And then fucking guiness bases their record on some other record without checking anything themselves. Fucking retarded
Laura Croft - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 08:25:34 EST ID:jiBpCCJb No.717480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I knew it ever since I saw him in King of Kong.
He's like a cartoon villain.

King of Kong - 10/10 (ign)
Travis Touchdown - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 08:39:38 EST ID:OU/m3p0x No.717482 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Why hasn't this movie been released on blu-ray? I want my goddamn "Kill screen is coming up" scene in glorious 1080p upscaled to 4K.
Spinal - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 10:50:22 EST ID:4nOjBi40 No.717494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, Twin Galaxies has been around for a long-ass time, before home video recording was practical for most people. And the original records were simply taken down in a spiral notebook carried by the "referees" (arcade staff) at the irl TG arcade.
So from the beginning and for a long time, having your score witnessed by a ref was enough for a record. Which is fine if you could trust the referees to be impartial, but (a) they were allowed to compete too, and (b) they formed relationships with long-time players and "stars", some of whom even became refs, so the whole thing was incestuous. Billy Mitchell himself put a bunch of money into Twin Galaxies and was more or less a co-owner at one point, so most of the staff didn't have the balls to contradict him and the head ref was his buddy.

When video became more commonplace they'd accept uninterrupted recordings as evidence, although for major records the requirements were higher... although Billy Mitchell and others got special treatment because they were "trusted".
His Kong records, rather than being a video of him playing on his personal arcade cabinet, were a "direct feed" of the game video output, supposedly, because this is something he had a special setup for (though other people have tried to replicate his setup and apparently the capture hardware doesn't even actually fucking work right, the colour timing is borked). In reality they're a shitty splice of him playing on MAME with tonnes of obvious flaws, here's a great video of the proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=234Y76_3YPE
It wouldn't have been accepted from anybody else.

Today you need good video evidence, and it has to stay available so people can verify it in the future. Scores get wiped if the video goes missing. There's probably still plenty of fakes, but that's true in speedrunning and elsewhere; nobody has a better solution yet (and it'll probably only get worse). The big deal here is these impossible scores and faked evidence were fucking egregious for decades and nobody did anything about it.
I mean, it's fine that they started out pretty casual about the whole leaderboard gimmick, but at some point they somehow became the world authority just from lack of competition. The bar certainly shoulda been raised once Guinness got involved. The thing that pisses me off isn't even that they lied, but that by squatting these world records indefinitely they selfishly discouraged people who might have been challengers, but who instead didn't even try because the "records" were unattainable. Like, why work on sharpening your skills if the best you can ever do, no matter what, is second place?
Kid Ying - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 11:00:20 EST ID:A8+SQfyY No.717496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry player, but I believe it was shot on DV in glorious 480p.
Larry Laffer - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 11:20:21 EST ID:qQnG6qht No.717497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who take speedrunning serious are both funny and sad.

The funniest is when people actually get caught cheating

Then you have the really sad stuff when you get a glimpse into what kind of life they have been brought into

I feel bad for a lot of these people. There has to be some kind of disconnect for them to put a camera on themselves while they do this.

Todd Rogers in the end won big time. If he had not cheated; people still wouldn't know who the fuck he was. About the only good thing to come out of these type of activities.
Spinal - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 15:22:06 EST ID:4nOjBi40 No.717504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Eh, it's just a hobby like any other, who cares. I don't really understand why people would spend hours watching Twitch streams in general, but I can see how after hours/days/weeks/months of grinding for contested records, the highs would be pretty high and the lows would be low.
IDK, it's easy to look at hobbies that don't interest you personally and call them lame or pointless or whatever. If they get some sense of community out of it, lucky them.

> If he had not cheated; people still wouldn't know who the fuck he was.
Yeah, maybe? But I think he's also genuinely pretty good at video games, and a lot of his records back in the day were legit, at least at first (maybe simply because they were on the ground floor/closest to the beginning of record-keeping). They may have earned their early fame. At some point all these guys just went pants-on-head retarded with it, though.
Presumably they got addicted to being the top dogs and, once things actually got competitive, fudged some scores to stay on top. But since once record competition gets rolling things become an arms race, the score fakery gradually ballooned out of control until their fucking brains broke and lost all perspective.
Cutman - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 16:50:33 EST ID:b3zYB9tz No.717508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its one thing that Twin Galaxies didn't check into it, since he founded the damn thing, but how was Guinness just accepting this bullshit without question?
Trainer Red - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 17:56:33 EST ID:wSZYz4xI No.717510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Guinness is a fucking joke. They accept loads of bullshit.

When they switched their format from a terse book of world records to a giant illustrated coffee table book they got kinda lax on certain things.
Cervantes de León - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 18:30:40 EST ID:/F9gLcMs No.717512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Got a source on that gif?
James McCloud - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 18:31:42 EST ID:yfjeb0K4 No.717513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dark Queen - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 20:11:04 EST ID:OH/OGlHP No.717515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
they're sega blast city's playing some version of street fighter alpha and the capcom jojo fighting game
Roxas - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 21:41:50 EST ID:t35ih8Sj No.717520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank you C-Higgy
About time.
The proof was there, emulation, weird fake board swaps. Takes a special kind of nerd to think youre that important.
Claude - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 02:12:33 EST ID:4nOjBi40 No.717533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Marketing? There just wasn't anybody else besides TG keeping these records for a long fucking time so they're an institution.
But on a case-by-case basis there may have been more justification.
When it comes to the longest held record record, there's a 35 year old Activision newsletter which "officially" gives Rogers that score. Back then you could send in polaroids of high scores and they'd send you a high scores club patch and a certificate.

Wait, I looked it up and they actually published a special video game edition book that just replicates thousands of records straight from the Twin Galaxies database. So yeah, marketing.

>he founded the damn thing
Is that true? I thought Mitchell just bought in later, and didn't think Rogers had any business connection outside of being a one-time employee.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 18:07:02 EST ID:Lkg0Zx5p No.717658 Report Quick Reply
No prob. Props to the guy that exposed Billy Mitchell for the fraud he is using MAME instead of an actual Arcade cabinet. Not really surprised that it went over TG and Guinness’ heads until now.
Geno - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:14:57 EST ID:ndGrpgQh No.717675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Twin Galaxies must have known the scores were cooked, they're dirty as well, you can see it in King of Kong just like you could see through Mitchell. They were interdependent.
Princess Peach - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:02:54 EST ID:nxu4fjYw No.717695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a bunch of people that changed over the years, but some of them certainly did. The chief ref at the time (the guy in King of Kong), Ron Corcoran, Todd Rogers and his girlfriend, they were all certainly dirty, and part of the Billy Mitchell ban was another ex-ref coming forward to say he allowed himself to be threatened/extorted into entering scores he thought were suspect back in the day.

But like, a lot of people genuinely believed in the "legend" of these two dudes as inspiring figures who brought them into the world of high score competition or whatever (they used to get interviewed in magazines a lot, etc, Rogers especially), and willingly defend them, even post-ban.
And probably the Guinness thing didn't help matters. Rather than raising the bar for legitimacy I bet it put pressure on them to cover up problems, fearing they might lose legitimacy and with it the commercial partnership. It's easy to imagine senior staff passing this pressure on to everyone else, even if the rest of them were clean.
Knuckles the Echidna - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 15:16:16 EST ID:ShGAvpfW No.717711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Higgs why you gotta do me like that
Peppy Hare - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 01:19:40 EST ID:gv4H+4O/ No.717728 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Chiggs trying to phish your charons

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