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Private thought by Henry Goodforth - Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:35:47 EST ID:IU2/3OiV No.36788 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Will it one day become an issue? As in, having it?
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Eugene Wenkinridge - Mon, 21 Nov 2016 16:22:28 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.36994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>people who financially benefit
It's impossible to do science without funding. Every scientist of significance benefits financially from the work they do.
>>do you seriously think AI won't recognize the threat [of] humans
I don't think you understand how much more advanced AI will be than us. We will pose no more threat to AI than apes do to us. Therefore wiping us out will be about as logical as us wiping apes out. I imagine the only changes they will be interested in is preventing us from destroying the planet and ourselves, they have no use for us beyond that, we're too incompetent to be useful apart from not breaking things. Pretty paranoid, bruh.

>>your list was disappointing
What do you want? All those people are still doing research, just because you want to call them insane doesn't invalidate the work they've done. There are dozens of other thinkers on the public side of transhumanism, and of course there are thousands of studies and research projects on the science side. The information is all out there if you are so concerned. I thought you genuinely wanted to know about the foundations of transhumanist thought, and these are the foundational thinkers. If there is some other kind of list you are looking for, please specify?

>>a self improvement feedback loop is impossible because of the size of the possibility space of improved selves
Well this assumes that all intelligent actors will search between possible future selves based on the number of possibilities i.e. that if there are more options the search will take porportionally longer, but this ignores that someone could just decide to go whole hog down one path of advancement, ignoring other possibilities. Also, if the amount of time it takes to accomplish any given task remains constant, but the rate of information processing always increases, it doesn't matter how large the possibility space is, eventually it will catch up.
Betsy Hivingstock - Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:44:55 EST ID:MI9p+lgY No.37043 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>It's impossible to do science without funding. Every scientist of significance benefits financially from the work they do.
Basically all scientists make money by being professors and just do research and publish it in order to advance their field and gain academic standing. If you make money from what you do it actually casts some doubt on it because of the conflict of interest.

>If there is some other kind of list you are looking for, please specify?
Yeah, the list of people who are actually doing something productive and not trying to make money of the Singularity cult. Kurzweil, Brostrom, and Vita-Moore (such a cingy name, by the way) are all various shades of detched from reality and are more of a liability to our progress than anything. Maybe the people actually working towards uploading or whatever else just don't want to publicly talk about futurism.

>could just decide to go whole hog down one path of advancement
You really have no idea how this would work. The whole point is that if we knew what even one "path of advancement" was we would have specific steps that would tell us how to make ourselves or a computer program "smarter", whatever exactly that means. This would be one of the greatest achievements of human thought and we probably would have heard about it. Somehow an AI would have to figure out what this path was, and to do that without checking every possible path they would have to have some kind of method for guessing which paths to try. My claim is that any such method will result in lazy or bizarre behaviors, kind of like the ones we display. You could only find the correct sequence of steps without getting lost in all your choices if you already know what those steps are. Unless we mathematically derive a solid rule for generating a "smarter" system from a "dumber" one, we are just going to be making more things like us.
Lydia Cobberfag - Mon, 26 Dec 2016 23:11:27 EST ID:8QPISc7N No.37046 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>Basically all scientists make money by being professors and just do research
I guess you've never seen or heard of a research fundraiser.

>>Cringey whining
Ok well good luck with your own 'futurism' where anyone involved in futurism you will call a crack-pot, see how many people you get to listen to you when you want to just throw anyone else under the bus because they have 'cringey names' or 'are a cult.' If you care about who is doing research on a specific topic, look up some relevant research papers. The point is that most of the people who do the grunt work research actually can do little to shift the larger tides, which is why we need visionaries like these folk. 'More of a liability than anything' without these people this board would not exist, no one would have any idea about what transhumanism or the singularity is, and we would be at least a decade farther behind than we are now.

>>a solid rule for generating a "smarter" system from a "dumber" one
Nature has already furnished us with the only definition of "smarter" that really matters. Evolution selects for fitness for survival, and the evolution of intelligence selected for fitness for making predictions about survival. That's the only definition of intelligence that will ever really matter; how much does it improve your chances for survival? This is a much smaller information space than merely all possible kinds of advancement, and one directly susceptible to the kinds of evolutionary algorithms we already have. If nature could optimize for this factor so much as to create us with nary a thought in it's head, how much more could we, or our AI progeny?
Phineas Nupperridge - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:13:50 EST ID:YzWx3BMw No.37047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>see how many people you get to listen to you
I don't care if they listen to me. They are just some kind of religious figure to a bunch of people who don't know shit about computers or math or anything else that needs to be done. I will have productive conversations with people who are doing actual work. These people are not, by the way, following some high-level direction or influence by Kurzweil et. al., as much as they would like you to think it works that way.

>without these people this board would not exist
>would be at least a decade farther behind
The people who first started talking about these trends and where they could and should go are long dead. We would talk about this stuff without guidance from cult leaders looking to make some money. I'll give you that Kurzweil did some good work in his youth, but no one person or even a dozen people make "ten years" of differnce at this point when we are doing many thousands of people-years of great research every year.

Evolution only selected for intelligence because it was worth the trade off. Running a big brain costs a lot in energy and complexity, both of which are usually disadvantages in evolution. We are extremely rare among all living things, the vast majority of which are still very simple and dumb. Organisms regularly become less complex or intelligent because life is too easy and the smart ones piss away resources thinking deep thoughts instead of spewing out hordes of babies. We don't know how many times natural selection has brought a species to the door of tool use and language only to turn back because the rare incentives to go through with it were not in place.

We are not going to evolve a general artificial intelligence any time soon, and if we did it would have the same problems making itself smarter that we have. It might even come out to be on the level of an adult retarded person and we would have no idea how to improve on that. It wouldn't even really understand what it was, although it could learn to talk to us and do tasks or even be creative. Basically, the only way we will hit that feedback loop is if we have a good mathematical theory of wha…
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Martha Nickleford - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:19:18 EST ID:8QPISc7N No.37049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you don't care if people listen to you, then obviously you aren't interested in helping futurism change the world, so why do you even care in the first place? I never said people are being controlled or directed by Kurzweil, he is merely an important influencer.

>>thousands of people years of great research
That's beside the point. As you yourself are arguing, you could do thousands of years of advancement in a particular direction and have it amount to nothing. We certainly have wasted a large percentage of the total amount of research done in the history of science on entirely useless endeavors. It takes people who can see beyond the immediate next research concern to avoid blundering into such progress traps. To point out specific examples; the modern conception of molecular nanotechnology was invented whole-cloth by Drexler, and faced decades of opposition from the entire scientific community before being widely accepted. If that kind of environment existed, do you really believe that change would've occurred without Drexler, or a Drexler-equivalent? Same with SENS, if de Grey hadn't been barking on and on about it for years against a mountain of opposition, would other researchers have ever bothered to take the time to advance gerontological science to the point it is now?

You are making an argument against any individual making more of an influence on a field than the aggregate of its researchers, but there have been many instances of precisely that happening. How long would physics have floundered in it's post-Victorian mire if Einstein hadn't come along with the 1904 papers, which he envisioned entirely internally, against vast opposition?

>We don't know how many times natural selection has brought a species to the door of tool use and language only to turn back because the rare incentives to go through with it were not in place
But we do know that none of those other species ever came to dominate the planet to such an extent to be able to completely rule and/or destroy it. We are unquestionably the most successful species earth's evolutionary process has ever produced. Our survival fitness is so great that we even break the structure of biological evolution; no other species in the history of the world has done that. So yeah, you can say that evolution doesn't strictly select for intelligence, and that's true, it selects for fitness. But intelligence is such a great boon to fitness that once it reaches a certain point, it completely breaks the normal evolutionary process.

>>We are not going to evolve a general artificial intelligence any time soon
[citation needed]

>> if we did it would have the same problems making itself smarter that we have
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For a singularity board, this is pretty slow by Nigger Hallywodge - Wed, 01 Apr 2015 21:39:21 EST ID:Oh06gGYp No.35989 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You should blog here.
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Basil Blatherfoot - Sat, 19 Nov 2016 17:47:38 EST ID:o9tNDNzz No.36980 Ignore Report Quick Reply

not even him but maybe you need to l2logic
Isabella Chocklestudging - Sun, 20 Nov 2016 04:14:34 EST ID:hn+zCwtg No.36985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You haven't spent enough time conversing with NJ. That shit was downright coherent to me.
Charlotte Boddleman - Sun, 20 Nov 2016 09:55:35 EST ID:pKpgIzqw No.36987 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I started to suspect that these foreign-sounding posts were NJ at some point. It does make more sense to me now, although the second sentence is bizarre if not genuinely ungrammatical.
Alice Giblinghun - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 02:13:19 EST ID:t6NuxUdU No.37045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OH FUCK. What if NJ has evolved so much that he's now capable of holding coherent conversation, and he's been secretly released into the other boards to test how well he can fool people??
Phineas Nupperridge - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:22:11 EST ID:YzWx3BMw No.37048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah that's what we've suspected for a little while now. I don't hang out on IRC but I've noticed that Kirt hasn't been extremely forthcoming about what is going on in the thread on /420/.

Spacing in tanships by Moxazza - Tue, 27 Sep 2016 15:11:20 EST ID:yP8PzkIy No.36847 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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My vision for the future. You will notice it is very gray and blue.
I always need more pictures of spaceship interior, so if you've got any,
please post them here.
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Texhual - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 23:12:24 EST ID:zuxfZ2Pn No.37024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Got a book printed so that makes me more successful than about 98% of artists.

Feel free to buy it with your near future income!
Augustus Wobblewater - Wed, 07 Dec 2016 17:43:33 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.37025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just buy an ad dood.
Texhual - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 19:45:47 EST ID:IlDf2W5x No.37026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Would any of you hardcore futurists know the best bet for me to buy an advertisement?
I may buy one tomorrow, I was thinking maybe a spot on circlejerk, what do y'all think?
Caroline Fanningfatch - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 23:20:54 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.37027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh I was saying buy an ad here on 420. It's got to be better than seeing those 'Hell No!' t-shirts or that dude who just wants people to buy stuff off his wishlist. But you probably would get more traction at circlejerk, probably more expensive tho too.
Polly Blankinham - Sun, 11 Dec 2016 01:55:51 EST ID:zHk/HOwm No.37028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's only like $100 for an ad here.
I actually thought that "buy stuff on my wishlist" thing was pretty cool. Cool thread idea, but it should have had more weird stuff on the list.

The future of pornography by Angus Murringhug - Sat, 10 Jan 2015 01:07:49 EST ID:T6/mCjRn No.35781 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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VR and might be immersive, but let's talk serious: what will be the future of pornography?

Old folks had their wood carvings of bestiality and stories.

Japan brought hentai and America brought the furry to really get anthropomorphic pseudo gender-sexed beings going in my parents lifetime.

With the internet we get MSpaint Autismo stuff and Patreon might be a donation system which won't end up getting shut down for the most part, so weirdo fetishes and some of the more "obscene" should be sticking around (as well as decreases for the costs of hosting and distributing files and whatnot)

Will lolicon/shotacon finally end up being thought policed out of existence?

I've personally seen a growth in outfit porn, but that seems to just be morphing through fads as opposed to a "core" sustainable fetish. Violence is still repulsive to most people though there seems to be enough of us unphased people that yukkuri/fluffy/guro/etc keeps marching on and mutating.
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Alice Cruddlelire - Thu, 04 Jun 2015 22:32:35 EST ID:c9pUasKf No.36177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i don't know about that.. maybe if we completely restructured the way we take care of children in our society (or made everyone sterile lol). but that would require something like cooperation, and you know how that is. definitely need to change the way we perceive it though (imo it should be a tool for reproduction, but i understand how people don't like that idea and i think those people are slaves to the flesh, but hey. running off that thought, wouldn't it be great if we just made our children in labs instead? come at me scifi authors)

and dude, sex probably only becomes boring when you're having it constantly
Ebenezer Fanfuck - Sat, 26 Nov 2016 00:05:00 EST ID:lo1NxxZ7 No.37001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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All I want for Christmas is full immersion VR and a fuckbot
Eugene Bickleman - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:02:15 EST ID:9LgaD17F No.37010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
talking to girls/women/trans/men
Hamilton Worryhall - Mon, 05 Dec 2016 01:19:32 EST ID:PlgVYwbs No.37020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wonder how much the "weird" shit will be affected. I mean, you could probably satisfy any fantasy like necrophilia with fake sex. You can do it IRL but with consequences. I think it will be banned for a long time and black markets will host it and eventually it will be legalized but you will be listed on some registry for participating in it. Kinda like how Britain has opt-in for adult websites or whatever.
Cedric Cazzletidge - Mon, 05 Dec 2016 09:10:20 EST ID:0Ici0YPW No.37021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you old enough to remember when the internet first became popular? Legislation moves very slowly so we are only now starting to see laws about some aspects of digital culture. People have been freely exchanging insane porn from the beginning and I don't think anyone is going to stop any futuristic porn from being distributed either.

No drugs or alcohol by William Daggledock - Sat, 26 Nov 2016 01:06:25 EST ID:3MxqRJJt No.37002 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Food only :)
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 02 Dec 2016 21:25:26 EST ID:FMvGbb3w No.37016 Report Quick Reply

Beautiful idea by Rebecca Gogglehall - Thu, 10 Nov 2016 23:12:09 EST ID:Tdswhk7t No.36969 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Give the office buildings to homeless people, so they will have a home, everybody else stay home and work!


Charles Sembleman - Sun, 13 Nov 2016 07:50:53 EST ID:13ajt4aF No.36971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
goddamnit amy stop spamming your shitty blog here. we're not your target demographic anyway

disrespectful nb
Walter Lightcocke - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 02:17:17 EST ID:hn+zCwtg No.36998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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That's a fucking retarded idea. Why pay for an office if you don't use it? go to hell amy.
Doris Sannerstone - Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:28:04 EST ID:DetYhXFJ No.37014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Judge Dredd style ghettos I like it

global solutions? by Thomas Ferryman - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 01:21:01 EST ID:XGOTt12k No.36885 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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we are all free thinkers and futurism is a general term in that the future is ahead of us... we may not all agree on where it should go but we all might have a solution to the problems already existing..

i just curious on yours...

the war in the middle east.. take the biggest problem areas - build a secure temorary encampment out of the area

allow the people in - search them as they come in and as they go out (no messages) keep an eye on them... this is for their own saftey.. the peaceful ones who just born in the wrong place in the wrong era

all the ones that want out out? good - surround cities / areas - one final clear message - if you remain here you will die, if you flee without surrender - you will most likely die

blow the cities up - rebuild safe secure zones.. these people are nuts to us and to other countries around the world... we maintain control.. we're already sitting over there anyways might as well put used to the damn shit

and if it was about oil now we have territory there this is our territory we own this thus we can have anything on the ground too...
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Wesley Hubblefoot - Sat, 05 Nov 2016 00:37:59 EST ID:pKpgIzqw No.36950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The people wouldn't get anything done even if they had blockchain-enabled voting verification. What would they do if someone threatened them with violence, vote against it?
Doris Webbernerk - Sat, 05 Nov 2016 18:42:52 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.36952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You argument seems to be that we shouldn't do anything. What do violent threats have to do with voting anyway?
Emma Fommerman - Sun, 06 Nov 2016 08:17:04 EST ID:pKpgIzqw No.36953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"The people" can't rule anything. There will always be a small group that uses violence or the threat of it to enforce their will. Distributed voting verification does nothing to deal with this. It wont change anything.
Phyllis Brillerbury - Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:14:25 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.36954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well again, the subject of this thread is 'global solutions' not 'complain there are no solutions' present a solution to a problem or you're off topic.
Ebenezer Fanford - Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:55:07 EST ID:13ajt4aF No.36955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No dude. All forms of violence have been decreasing by every measure since the 1970s. The media is a fearmongering liar sometimes. There will always be some small group that controls most of society, and in the system we're trying to implement they would be the people at the top of the liquid democracy chains. You probably don't even know what that is do you? Look it up bro

I the dark future by The Boat - Mon, 31 Oct 2016 20:21:16 EST ID:/ukPRmUs No.36939 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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There is only the fact that my Boat is gonna float. Basically I'm Daran Afrouwskis Noah up in this bitch and imma beat the shit out of the storm until it respects me and then I can stab it in the eye with a melon baller.

Biotechnology by Phineas Pittford - Sat, 03 Sep 2016 17:52:12 EST ID:IU2/3OiV No.36808 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Could we one day develop chemicals or gene therapies to change our bodies drastically and rapidly as a caterpillar does?
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Oliver Trotbanks - Thu, 20 Oct 2016 04:54:51 EST ID:lo1NxxZ7 No.36914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I really hope so.
Imagine going to your local geneticist and sitting down with him, you go over all the improvements you want ,all the maladies that need to be cured, and all the minor cosmetic details. After the consultation he ushers you to the back, you see rows of monitors next to these circular impressions on the floor he goes to a monitor enters the code and then you see it rising from the floor a cocoon of metal and glass a Genesis Chamber. The next two weeks are blank caused by a medically induced coma your body changing, adapting, and evolving into the perfect form you have chosen
Doris Bammertin - Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:39:43 EST ID:F/pTjJxT No.36915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But then you wake in agony, finding that the procedure went totally wrong. During your time in the coma the self-replicating web 4.0 social meme known as DankDabzz4Furries happened to come across an algorithm for making itself "smarter". You wouldn't understand the math even if it was explained to you, but this has lead to a radical restructuring of society as millions are given injections of nanomachines designed by the naiscent hivemind. You have been selected as part of 972 ongoing medical experiments started since yesterday. Since you were left behind you are one of the few people left who are not now dead or smarter than all the old-world geniuses combined.

The earth will be processed into computronium by the end of the week.
Phoebe Heggleham - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:54:05 EST ID:9LgaD17F No.36930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
stimulation o certain specific body parts in alignment with quadrants in front of a set field within certain proximity to a function visible and inputed by the eye movement , would be cool to see , its probably in a functional state somewhere expensive and inaccessible though, for show patterns or as least in artistic representation of motion and its use would be pretty cool, like eye augmented
Ian Clishsen - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:33:53 EST ID:xPrg6dkm No.36931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can you rephrase that using proper grammar and punctuation so we can more easily understand what the fuck you are on about?
Nigel Brunderkore - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:50:41 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.36932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is obviously some google translate bs which don't fly here, here's my attempt at translation:
It would be cool if there was a system where you could control movement of the body using your eye movements, it would be great for art, it probably exists but is too expensive.

Daily Life Hack with Carole Anne by Hedda Nacklefit - Wed, 09 Sep 2015 16:17:07 EST ID:WpXApFjG No.36343 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If you haven't seen it already watch it.
Sidney Bingerhall - Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:55:49 EST ID:xIyr8pha No.36862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes, I wish they would finish this series.
Esther Buggleville - Fri, 14 Oct 2016 10:23:02 EST ID:kgbz/Mf0 No.36906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I love this. It reminds me of that British comedy show that had a series of dark skits about a TV station after a nuclear war, and everyone was paranoid about "The Others" getting in and eating their brains. Does anyone remember what I'm talking about?
Cyril Hibbleforth - Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:27:19 EST ID:srwwmi7+ No.36907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, that was on Mitchell and Webb I think.
Cyril Hibbleforth - Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:28:05 EST ID:srwwmi7+ No.36908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Eugene Brassleridge - Sat, 15 Oct 2016 01:07:06 EST ID:CDZHOcn6 No.36909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes! That's the one! Lol, like Fallout: UK.

/int/craft - imageboard community minecraft server by Molly Tootdale - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:12:19 EST ID:WcVo24u+ No.36883 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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IP Address: intcraft.online
Server Version: 1.8.8 (any client from 1.8, 1.9 or 1.10 can join the server.)
Chien's World Map cropped to Eurasia
Towny, Brewery, meme recipes, word filter and more..
RP and General Rules
Contrary to previous iterations we will now state the actual rules for the server in a clear way, pre-launch. In theory, as always, there is only one rule: Don’t be a shitter. If you follow this set of rules, you are thereby not a shitter and you are in theory allowed to do what you want on Intcraft, and it will be up to the server population and community to put an end to their own disputes.
Towny War Flag will only be enabled from Friday-Sunday, from Monday-Thursday it will be disabled. PvP will always be enabled.
First 24 hours after launch will have War Flag disabled
Building a town/nation must be historically accurate for that location given the current time (300bc-300ad)
Buildings do not have to be 100% accurate, variations are allowed. But no memes.
Towns do not have to be exactly in the same geographical location as they were, but it should be in the same general area.
If you only want to pvp, find a pvp server
If you only want to buildfag, join a nation or get gud.
Nations can spread through conquest or diplomacy, but no Atlantic Federation tier memes.
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Phyllis Clongerman - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 21:44:01 EST ID:uN8SPDJh No.36884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>tfw Gothia breaks the Roman monopoly
Hugh Pickman - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 23:14:24 EST ID:hn+zCwtg No.36887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
aww yeah man. I'll come say hi tomorrow.

Elon Musk plans to get humans to Mars in 6 years by Beatrice Pittlock - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:55:51 EST ID:zHk/HOwm No.36848 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What do you guys think about this?
Think he's being too optimistic with his timeline?
Think he will even be able to get the funding?
Betsy Boshfield - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:46:01 EST ID:5hz2OT1J No.36851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>What do you guys think about this?
It's our only hope for the future and he's one of the only MFs working on it, more power to him.
>>Think he's being too optimistic with his timeline?
Yes, I think 2030 is probably the earliest we would see a practical launch from this project. On the other hand, the 100 year colonization timeline assumes we don't develop any better space vehicles during that time period, so that will probably be shorter.
>>Think he will even be able to get the funding?
Yes, $15 billion for a guy with his connections over the course of 10 years is nothing. But, I seriously doubt it will only cost that much. It seems like all his calculations are about the transportation system. The cost of the actual colony will likely be 10-100x as much.
Lydia Sammlefone - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 20:44:38 EST ID:hn+zCwtg No.36854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>What do you guys think about this?
Good but I still think there are many things left to do in LEO before truly setting out to sea. We are missing key production in orbit and around the Moon. Right now the only way to get there is capsules and rockets. Expensive and uses a lot of material. Some infrastructure to build ships in orbit would make this colony feat more attainable by lowering hte materials and cost needed. By forgoing the launch and parking orbit stage the fuel saved could probably send a second ship at the same time.

>>Think he's being too optimistic with his timeline?
The only way to get these space things done is to just do it. If you can get to the moon with the computing power of a 15 year old nokia cell phone you can probably play around safely in system.

>>Think he will even be able to get the funding?
When it comes to space funding is the least important part. NASA has achieved a lot with only .05% of all nation wide taxes going to space things of all types, not just launches. I think a dude with a largely succesful empire has the best chance of doing these things. The man has the drive, the will.
Hugh Fuckingstock - Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:34:33 EST ID:Gbh3sM9J No.36860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think Elon Musk is wanting to be Robert Edwin House irl.
Wesley Grimfoot - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 04:29:58 EST ID:zHk/HOwm No.36865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Seems like his calculations are about the transportation system
Yeah from what I've gathered that's basically all that he's planning here, is that he will have the transportation method ready to go in 10 years. Now all the rest of starting a colony on Mars is a whole other story.
I feel like Elon Musk will be the pioneer that gets stuff like this started. I just hope that whoever picks it up after he's gone will put in as much work as he has, and probbaly will put into this project (colonizing Mars).
I feel like he's at the precipice, but the implementation, which Elon Musk may not even be around for, is where the real effects on humanity and our future will be decided.
Wesley Blebbledore - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 12:47:11 EST ID:NLG7wwq0 No.36868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think it's great that there is someone taking the public initiative to get this idea out there. Mars would make a great pet colony planet as a test ground for future colonisation efforts beyond our solar system. I also think the technology that's going to come out of the research for the initial project is going to benefit us in a number of ways, such as the transport systems, structural materials, energy generation and efficiency, etc.

I think he's being a bit optimistic with that timeline though. This is going to need support and preparation on international levels and that won't be happening soon with all the generic human crap going on in the world. I reckon late 2030's, early 2040's to be more realistic. As far as the funding is concerned, private investors and megacorporations looking for branding and exposure would hop on this without much convincing needed considering the long term benefits.

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