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Psychology by Mae Young - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:02:27 EST ID:mXStVD9Q No.5773429 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Can we talk about psychology? As someone who has gotten back into pro-wrestling since last year, I've begun endeavoring to try and watch the 'canon' of great matches. I've been trying to view more varieties of pro-wrestling beyond WWE from different times and places. And I think I'm coming to understand what kind of psychology, for me, gets over. I wonder if there's anyone that feels as I do. I think good matches need to sell the actual aspect of wrestling. I think every good match (barring great size differences) grappling and jockeying for position should take up much of the match until an initial submission or move is made. Psychologically, when one guy does a move or submission to the other, this tells me that the guy receiving the move is too fatigued to resist or defend himself. Nothing makes me shake my head more and take me out of a match than when one guy gets a submission hold, say guillotine or armbar, and then they just sit there and try to sell it. Realistically, if a fighter locks an armbar or any submission for longer than 5 seconds, the fight is over. Because obviously he must submit or get seriously injured. In so much pro-wrestling they get good submissions and just sit there forever selling it until a guy drags themselves for a rope-break or they just let the guy get to his feet, in the case of every WWE headlock. Too often it's just guys trading moves. And after they do a move and they guy is down they pick him back up and throw him to the ropes! Why? It's stupid. You just bodyslammed him. Pin him. I also don't like punches. I think punches should be disqualifications like Japanese do. When I watch a match like AJ Styles VS John Cena and see Cena punch him straight in the head it's just ridiculous. People get knocked out when you legit do that. I am ranting, I guess, but I guess as a child when you watch much of this you don't think much on it. Getting back into pro-wrestling and seeing what passes for psychology so much of the time just, I don't know, I have some problems with it.
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Owen Hart - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:42:08 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.5774074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy shit, where do I even start with this. I only saw a Volk Han comp a while back
Mustafa Said - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:15:13 EST ID:mXStVD9Q No.5774340 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a curious thing to me. You'd think with how MMA blew up and arguably took away the casual wrestling audience, because of shoot style being what it is, that there would have been attempts to promote it. But from what I gather when PRIDE started getting hot, and MMA altogether, everyone who was practicing shoot style decided to go legit. So maybe there was just no longer the talent to promote it. In the US I don't think there was ever a shoot style promotion. And I think to actually run a shoot style promotion you need skilled practitioners. Like reading the backgrounds of Sayama and Fujiwara and others who were apart of UWF, they were skilled martial artists. Man I would love read/listen to Meltzer go over this history.
Olimpico - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:34:05 EST ID:efaKT86S No.5774351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Man I would love read/listen to Meltzer go over this history.
Me too. I find it by far the most interesting aspect of pro-wrestling in general. Maybe some helpful person on here can point us in the direction of a podcast or something that discusses it.
Mr. Anderson - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:24:18 EST ID:owza9Qv7 No.5774462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>because of shoot style being what it is, that there would have been attempts to promote it.

Tamura attempted to run a pure shootstyle promotion with U-STYLE in 2003, but it simply couldn't compete with PRIDE or the big established Pro-Wrestling feds and Tamura having suffered some big losses in MMA surely didn't help.

Serious question: How big of draw Roman really is for WWE brand? by Hiroshi Tanahashi - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:26:39 EST ID:/K6Tmye1 No.5773390 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Some claim him to be the biggest active draw right now. He is also apparently most over casual draw since Cena. Is this really true?
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Brian Kendrick - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:57:33 EST ID:HgB9cxq7 No.5774447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's been shoved down everybody's throats for 3 years, booked as the strongest face in the company, and is constantly promoted and given new merch/catchphrases/accomplishments.

WWE is just a huge self fulfilling prophecy to Vince. He sells the most merch because he's been pushed far harder than anybody else for far longer. And there's a portion of WWE's fanbase that will basically follow whatever narrative WWE sets out
Rosita - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:59:38 EST ID:voOcnTgU No.5774448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is basically the only reason people support him out of complete ignorance and pity, as well as to make their own bullied selves feel they're standing up for someone being treated as they were bullied.

Can confirm. I manage to get a friend to watch wrestling with me, he felt sorry for Roman.

Then by the fourth show we watched together he came to the conclusion on his own that the smarks were right, Roman fucking sucks.
Terry Funk - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:22:37 EST ID:SwamJ0bV No.5774460 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Someone actually told me that Jeff Jarrett's push in 2000 wasn't as forced as Roman's because WCW died the next year.
Johnny B. Badd - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 20:41:26 EST ID:wE1GORLt No.5774479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He doesnt have the most merch though.

Mauro Ranallo to NXT by Meng - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:12:28 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5772292 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Mamma mia

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WrestlingTheSport - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:47:58 EST ID:C8JBGLJj No.5774358 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Carney boxing match

So this is the new word that /wooo/ adds to random phrases, in the same way that "Meme-________" was, right?
Krissy Vaine - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 18:13:09 EST ID:x6PCnu9O No.5774374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>shits on bellator and boxing
>praises Rizin

Don Muraco - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 18:16:50 EST ID:m+5I88T3 No.5774378 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Not in this case at least. Mayweather and MacGregor are competitors in extremely different sports, so pitting them against one another doesn't really prove anything useful. It's just a dumb spectacle that draws attention but is pretty worthless as far as sport goes, the equivalent of a carnival freakshow. That's why it gets called a carny event.
Alex Riley - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 18:25:57 EST ID:m/BXD4xo No.5774386 Ignore Report Quick Reply

No, it's because Art Carney is making a a big comeback via social media.

Impact & WOS Wrestling General Thread #2 - RIP GFW Edition by C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:34:25 EST ID:tarI869j No.5720842 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Watch Impact Wrestling on Thursdays at 8pm EDT / 1am BST in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo and /wooo/alt - http://taima.tv/r/woooalt. Replays air on Fridays @ 1:30pm EDT / 6:30pm BST in /wooo/tube.
>One Night Only PPVs will be shown on tape delay when scheduled in /wooo/tube. Live PPVs will be shown live in /wooo/tube and /wooo/alt (or /wooo/tube 2 if there's a schedule conflict) when scheduled.

>Useful Links:

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ODB - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:53:19 EST ID:aYLtBdy4 No.5772377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
X Division since the relaunch is easily the best it's been in years upon years so if Sonjay is the one to thank for that then good on him. If the rumors about Sammy Guevara and ACH coming in are true then we're in for some real good times spotfests to come.
Meng - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:54:29 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5772470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Sonjay, Low Ki, Matt Sydal
>Braxton Sutter, Dezmond Xavier, Marshe Rockett, Caleb Koneley/Suicide, Garza Jr. and Laredo Kid
>DJ Z (when he returns from injury)
>Trevor Lee & Andrew Everett (if they don't leave with Helms)
>Spud? Grado (he still employed?), Eddie & Davey now and then probably

its a good base, but i feel like it missing something
Steve Corino - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:05:28 EST ID:1GP5nCog No.5772489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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aj styles
Scotty Vortekz - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:14:14 EST ID:Hzh13Nm5 No.5774339 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe a couple of japanese wrestlers. I want the x cup back as well as monthly pay per views or at least more than BFG and Slammy.

Slammiversary is close, i wonder if Aerostar and Drago will show up.

Indie (& ROH) General #13: Feast Your Eyes On My Glory by 123 Kid - Fri, 19 May 2017 12:32:31 EST ID:mucKzjjt No.5739668 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Weekly tube blocks where indie promotions can be found include Britwres Tube (Sundays @ 3pm EDT / 8pm BST) for the British Isles indie scene and Indie Tube for the indie scene outside of the British Isles (Fridays @ 3pm EDT / 8pm BST). Both can be watched in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo
>ROH Wrestling airs weekly on Fridays @ 7:10 EST / 12:10am BST or earlier if there is a live event scheduled earlier than 8pm EDT / 1am BST (ROH Wrestling will air at 8:10pm EDT / 1:10am BST if there's an ROH PPV or live event scheduled afterward) in /wooo/tube and /wooo/alt - http://taima.tv/r/woooalt. Replays air on Saturdays @ 3:10pm EDT / 8:10pm BST in /wooo/tube (12:10pm EDT / 5:10pm BST if there's a PPV replay scheduled after)
>VOD and live events are shown on Friday and Saturday evenings as well as Sunday afternoons and evenings. Keep an eye on /wooo/ for information on those as they're scheduled and updated in the "Upcoming Events" section on /wooo/tube.

Here is an assortment of indies and ROH and where to find them:

>Ring of Honor


>Beyond Wrestling
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The Commandant - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 05:49:00 EST ID:UhWV+CxE No.5773983 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The last few Bully and friends vs LIJ matches have left me a little sad at how little they've given LIJ is all.
Scott Hall - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 06:05:48 EST ID:1GP5nCog No.5773993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lij works more njpw shows than anyone else in njpw. giving them big wins in roh does nothing to help roh because they aren't as available as someone like kushida.
Shaggy 2 Dope - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:22:15 EST ID:6NNM5IJ9 No.5774185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just finished tod I got legit worried in the last match
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:06:44 EST ID:cMjU2p+P No.5774336 Report Quick Reply
We can't stream Floslam shows anymore on account of my account getting taken down but we can show EVOLVE and other shows on a one-day tape delay.

Fire Pro Wrestling by Headbanger Trasher - Fri, 16 Jun 2017 19:43:17 EST ID:Qf9wJkF5 No.5766382 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Release date is being announced this Wednesday at a press conference
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Olimpico - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:56:47 EST ID:efaKT86S No.5774301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please give me a link before I get too excited lad.
The Blue Meanie - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:34:08 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5774319 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't find a single thing to back it up, so don't get excited.
Tamina - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:57:11 EST ID:Aa4gSc2o No.5774330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy shit, I might be able to play this on my laptop.

The specs check out and my internet is working again, even though it wasn't working months ago.
Olimpico - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:04:35 EST ID:efaKT86S No.5774335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ROH BEST IN THE WORLD 2017 PPV THREAD by C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:44:37 EST ID:Ycb7sUZz No.5773225 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Watch Best in the World 2017 at 9pm EDT / 2am BST in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo and /wooo/alt - http://taima.tv/r/woooalt

Three years after its debut as Ring of Honor’s first-ever live, broadcast Pay Per View, one of ROH’s premiere events Best in the World returns to PPV on Friday, June 23, emanating from the Lowell Memorial Auditorium! The following night, ROH returns to Lowell, MA for the fallout from Best in the World with an international television taping!

Christopher Daniels completed a 23-year odyssey at 15th Anniversary when he reached the pinnacle of professional wrestling, capturing the ROH World Championship from Adam Cole. Daniels’ win erased his name from the discussion of “Best wrestler to never hold a World Championship” and cemented his already-worth resume as a sure-fire Hall of Fame wrestler. But the honeymoon was short-lived. To ensure Daniels victory, Daniels’ partner Frankie Kazarian infiltrated Bullet Club and the Smartest Men in the Room double crossed Bullet Club to help Daniels capture the gold. That action has painted a target big, bright, and bold on the back of the champion. That’s where “The American Nightmare”, a man beholden to no company, sensed an opportunity.

Since reaching the top of the mountain, Daniels has been eager to prove that not only has he shed labels and blazed trails at age 46, but that he has the ability to become the greatest ROH World Champion of all-time. It is this confidence that Cody hoped to prey on at War of the Worlds. Jay Lethal earned a title shot but Cody was able to get under the skin of Daniels and insert himself into a Triple Threat for the World Championship in New York City. And Cody’s plan almost worked. Late in the match, it came down to Lethal and Cody, two men tied into a feud dating back to Final Battle after Daniels had gone through a table. Cody, looking to take advantage of Lethal’s knee that he had injured earlier in the bout, locked in a move his father used to great success, the figure four. As Lethal writhed in pain, Daniels went for an all or nothing Best Moonsault Ever. Daniels’ connected on Cody, winning the match and leaving NYC with the gold around his waist.

But, things weren’t so simple. Cody argued on ROH Television, using an observation by Color Commentator Colt Cabana as his support, that Lethal’s shoulders went to the match upon impact of the moonsault. With Cody in control of the figure four, he would be responsible for the pin on Lethal. Cody argued that the shoulders of Lethal went to the mat milliseconds before Daniels officially secured the cover and that Cody is the rightful ROH World Champion. Cody and his lawyers successfully petitioned for a one-on-one rematch and “The American Nightmare” will get it at Best in the World, live on Pay Per View! For Cody, ahead of him lies an opportunity to get revenge for Bullet Club, taking something from Daniels that means more to him than his career itself. For Daniels, it is a chance to defend his honor and to keep the ROH World Championship away from a member of Bullet Club, a free agent who could take the championship wherever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

Can Daniels fend off a Bullet Club change from a man who has been dishonorable from day one in a ROH ring? Or will “The American Nightmare” spoil Daniels’ fairy tale ending and take the ROH World Championship to a place it has never been? Tune into or join us at Best in the World to find out! This world title match plus three other title matches and more tonight! Here's the lineup for the show:

ROH World Championship Match: Christopher Daniels (c) vs. Cody

ROH World Television Championship Match: KUSHIDA (c) vs. Marty Scurll
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El Alebrije - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:11:29 EST ID:j4GxTK0A No.5774214 Ignore Report Quick Reply

ROH has been irrelevant ever since they started being New Japan's doormat
Shad Gaspard - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:32:16 EST ID:THN67928 No.5774287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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okay i like Ring of Honor again
Isis The Amazon - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:55:12 EST ID:UwVpOabR No.5774329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah replay when? I missed any kind of potential afternoon replay too.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 17:01:27 EST ID:cMjU2p+P No.5774332 Report Quick Reply
It wasn't uploaded. It'll be replayed tomorrow before Britwres Tube at 12pm EDT / 5pm BST.

remember when WWE had good main events? by Raisha Saeed - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:33:33 EST ID:GA2Nme0Z No.5773464 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Tiffany Mellon - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 05:49:59 EST ID:v3ftk86K No.5773984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's funny how when someone gets fired and blacklisted by WWE, people will just believe all kinds of bad shit about them.
Stacy Keibler - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 08:56:35 EST ID:0nW+MEVC No.5774055 Ignore Report Quick Reply

In fairness, Kennedy did turn out to be a mediocre-as-fuck midcarder whose greatest talent was yelling into a microphone. Even TNA proved that.
Bruno Sammartino - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:49:42 EST ID:bbYSGI4v No.5774325 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It got worse when TNA tried to make it even more tounge and cheek then it needed to be
Taka Michinoku - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 16:52:31 EST ID:SwamJ0bV No.5774328 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I think Mr. Kennedy has burned bridges with WWE to the point where Jeff Jarrett is more likely to return than him.

Walking Armageddon by Meng - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:11:19 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5772057 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In the wider wrestling landscape, where does Bobby Lashley currently rank? What's the best place for him?

I think he deserves to be in top ten discussions.

IMO: He's replaced Kurt Angle as Impact's best wrestler. He's also their most credible shoot badass. He should be their most protected attraction; he has been so far but I don't know if they'll sacrifice him to Alberto or not. He's "TNA's Brock Lesnar" but isn't presented as such a rarity. He doesn't have Brock's natural scary goofiness but a lot of his matches have had really smart finishes. He's more credible than anyone in ROH or LU. He needs a better roster than the one Impact has for him; his 2017 isn't as strong simply because of caliber of opponent. I don't care to see him in WWE again. Impact should just apologize to MVP and make him Bobby's mouthpiece I actually like Josh as his hand-picked play-by-play man

I guess Matt Riddle is the dream match but Bobby still has a lot of gas left in the tank, so I don't think it should be viewed as "passing the torch." My dumb fantasy booking idea is Anthem gets its shit together enough to have Dutch Mantell book a Riddle-Lashley feud a la Joe vs Angle at Lockdown 2008, with lots of Fight Network hype and build.
His new entrance music is actually pretty dope: https://youtu.be/lgvWss-AC3w
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El MurciŽlago - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:22:14 EST ID:fjxkvARQ No.5774250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah Eddie's win was perfect example of long term storytelling. It made perfect sense after Lashley had humiliated Edwards previously in the year.

Look at the way he sells the knee. That is world class.

Who was the booking team for this period..Lagana...Gaburick and there's someone who's name I forget, not Corgan, another guy. they deserve loads more credit in the industry. Wish Meltzer would give them some addaboys every now and then.
Michael McGillicutty - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:41:35 EST ID:/sTNnFdh No.5774263 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wasn't Al Snow also involved?
Tori - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:11:15 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5774276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Al Snow was an agent (and he apparently just left with Pat Kenny & Shane Helms. TBF Impact probably needs young blood to help set up matches). I'm not sure if he was the agent for Lashley's stuff. Whoever it is deserves props.

I recall reading that the Edwards win was a Corgan decision, who felt that they needed to shake things up and Eddie earned that opportunity.

I don't know how to feel about Gaburick; yes technically creative got better with him in charge but he was a fuck up in literally every other capacity and he was complicit in Russo's secret tenure. I get the vibe that he was good at overseeing production because he was a Kevin Dunn guy but he was largely a hands-off exec who got paid alot to not do much.

The roster loved working with Lagana, who I think was tasked with actually scripting the shows and focused on giving talents bullet points. JB has also been hands on with vignettes and online stuff too.
El MurciŽlago - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:36:05 EST ID:fjxkvARQ No.5774290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Matt Conway is the other one.

3 Hour /joshi/tube, 3 Match Hiroyo, 3 Belt Hiroyo? by Aspiring Joshi Merchant - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:08:49 EST ID:8YMBU/DG No.5774244 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>/joshi/tube will begin at 4pm EDT / 9pm BST on /woootube/ - http://taima.tv/r/wooo

>Sendai Girls Pro Wrestling
**Senjo in Sapporo Susukino Mars Gym(6/10/17)**[/U][/B]
  • Mio Momono vs Mika Shirahime
  • Big Bang Nicole & Aja Kong vs Eiger & Alex Lee
  • DASH Chisako, Cassandra Miyagi & Heidi Katrina vs KAORU, Nyra Rose & Chikayo Nagashima
  • Sendai Girls Tag Team Championship : Syuri & Hikaru Shida(c) vs Meiko Satomura & Hana Kimura
  • Sendai Girls World Championship : Chihiro Hashimoto(c) vs Hiroyo Matsumoto

>Stardom feat. No Kairi Hojo
**Shining Stars 2017 - Tag 2 in Shinkiba 1st RING(6/11/17)**
  • Hanan vs Hina & Rina
  • Hiroyo Matsumoto & Kaori Yoneyama vs Natsuko Tora & Jungle Kyona
**Shining Stars 2017 - Tag 3 in Yokohama Radiant Hall(6/17/17)**
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~2005-2012 WWE by Doink the Clown - Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:55:47 EST ID:nT3DPcse No.5770729 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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The years probably aren't exact and I could have picked a better picture but what actually happened to these guys? It seems like there was plenty of talent that could be primed to eventually become main eventers and whatnot but it seems like it didn't pan out for anyone barring a few exceptions who brushed with the top belt for a run or two.

Wade Barrett
Drew McIntyre
Chris Masters
Jack Swagger
Dolph Ziggler
Kofi Kingston
Shelton Benjamin
John Morrison
The Miz
Cody Rhodes
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Tsukushi - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:49:08 EST ID:wBfxHXpA No.5774161 Ignore Report Quick Reply
and to think people still push the meme that TNA can't make stars when it's their wrestlers from this time period (and ROH as well) who are now drawing for WWE
El Alebrije - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:53:59 EST ID:jhO80cwH No.5774166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Only Bobby Roode comes to mind and he's charismatic as fuck which is impossible for anyone to go and say "Well, he wouldn't make it without TNA"

And AJ is AJ Styles, he was a star even before TNA. Even in WCW he was a star.
Shad Gaspard - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:05:28 EST ID:THN67928 No.5774173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no in WCW he was half of a jobber tag team no one would remember if he hadn't become a star later in TNA. Don't be silly.
Tina Ferrari - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:49:21 EST ID:Pw3eBaUW No.5774235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That must be Tiger Ali Singh on there because Jinder is pushable.

Love by WrestlingTheSport - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:36:25 EST ID:C8JBGLJj No.5768125 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Where were you when they saved love forever?

Please discuss 10 ways that Love feels more pure to you now that Mike and Maria Kanellis have entered your lives.
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Pedro Morales - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:38:02 EST ID:NXwT3xEm No.5774108 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If there's any truth to the rumors about them killing off Miz and Maryse's act because of what they want to do with these two, then not only did they not save love, these talentless fools killed love.
Mentallo - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:44:58 EST ID:HoxsjR9F No.5774116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, that guy is really like that.
Michael Cole - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:54:41 EST ID:OKBuVofJ No.5774205 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Hush, Mike!!
Berlyn - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:27:42 EST ID:J8d8WieK No.5774223 Ignore Report Quick Reply

He looks like Heath Slater.

Roman Reigns vs Okada: Battle of the chosen ones by Velvet Sky - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:22:45 EST ID:gf04CKB/ No.5772508 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Who in your opinion is the bigger draw?
Who's the better wrestler?
Who has the better look?
Who has the most charisma?
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Rodney Mack - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:06:15 EST ID:ttl/DeAZ No.5774174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They work for different companies with different rosters and different presentations. You can't make a flat comparison because their matches have different goals behind them. Cop on.
Rey Bucanero - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:43:41 EST ID:7FjvZqO7 No.5774200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okada couldn't make it in WWE. Reigns could make it in NJPW.
Olimpico - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:01:32 EST ID:efaKT86S No.5774207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah you could swap Reigns with Tama Tonga and no one would notice.
Rodney Mack - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:16:13 EST ID:ttl/DeAZ No.5774216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Erm, Okada would make it in WWE but he'd be in a tag team at best given that his flaws are all the things the WWE needs in a top guy (charisma, character, etc)

THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE (22ND JUNE '17) by Zema Ion - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:09:11 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5771669 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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> An interesting note regarding the Money in the Bank odds is that all favorites won except the Usos, and they retained but lost. Their odds swung at the same time as the other winners, indicating that finish went back-and-forth. Another key thing was the insiders who do know were heavily betting that the women’s MITB winner would fail in her cash-in. So that means a decision had to be made strongly at a meeting that was known about where either Carmella wasn’t going to win the real match next week, or if she does, that it’s already decided she fails in the cash in. Normal odds are close to 90% that the person winning will cash in, but it was 9-to-1 odds for the winner on this show to fail to cash in, and they don’t get that long for that question unless it’s a sure thing in the eyes of the people who know. And yes, we do know Vince often changes his mind and there is no sure thing when it comes to short-term.

> There was an injury of sorts in the ladder match. Kevin Owens injured his leg, and off camera, had to be helped to the back after the match ended. I’m not sure where it happened, although he was slammed off the top rope and landed badly on the ladder. He did continue working the match from there. But in leaving the ring, it looked like he couldn’t put any weight on one leg. We got word late that night that Owens was okay, but he was limping significantly at the house show the next night in Indianapolis. He wasn’t walking all that well at TV, but he did a match with Chad Gable and while it was kept short, he showed no signs of an injury there.

> AAA had a big decision to make regarding TripleMania. The show was scheduled for 8/26, which is the same day as McGregor vs. Mayweather, and it appears they’ve already made the call to move it to 8/27. They wanted to get the show on PPV in the U.S., and that’s very unlikely on that day, and still isn’t a done deal since the people who got them the previous TripleMania PPV, Court Bauer, has no affiliation with them

> There is an issue even with the record indoor gate in Osaka for Dominion last week, as on 6/20, they once again failed to sell out Korakuen Hall. It used to be almost automatic, but they are running it so frequently and only sold 1,258 tickets to the first of three shows in eight days in the building. It was really weird seeing tickets available in almost every price category a couple of hours before the show at Korakuen, when until this year, that almost never happened, and now it’s happened several times.

> AXS released its full schedule for New Japan on 6/30 and 7/1. Because the Kazuchika Okada vs. Kenny Omega match went 60 minutes, to air it uninterrupted would mean you would need more than an hour with ring intros and commercial breaks. So rather than edit the match, the decision was made to air Dominion as one two-hour show instead of two one-hour shows, airing on 6/30 from 7-9 p.m. Eastern. The two-hour show will only have two matches, Tetsuya Naito vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi and Omega vs. Okada II. The unfortunate odd man out match is the Kushida vs. Hiromu Takahashi match, which was one of the best matches of the year. Originally they wanted to put Cody vs. Michael Elgin on as the first match, so people would see Cody’s win to build for his title match, but they would rather present the two matches with the promos and entrances and videos and such and make them strong, then have to edit so much out to fit in Cody’s match.
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Bo Rotundo - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:55:14 EST ID:24pL3qXV No.5774168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You know what he's doing.

Report, mute etc.
Misutero - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:43:08 EST ID:4whUyJgM No.5774199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh good I was somehow able to find this within all the shitposts.
Don Harris - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:10:10 EST ID:I5ESferr No.5774212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
strong impotent rage from the previously described fat, stupid, jealous midget detected. also, your sperg out completed validated the claim, so good job on that as well, slugger.
Alex Riley - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:52:18 EST ID:m/BXD4xo No.5774299 Ignore Report Quick Reply

India is a shitty country, man. It's not bigotry, it's a rationale based off years of India being a shitty country. If it makes you feel any better, Mexico and the Philippines are even shittier countries so I guess you can hang your hat on your country not being as shitty as those ones.

Also nb for this stupid /pol/ shittery going on in the goddamned dirtsheet thread, of all places

SI SI SI.com by Tiffany Mellon - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 05:45:24 EST ID:v3ftk86K No.5773981 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Bobby Lashley and Alberto El Patron have one goal for Slammiversary: deliver an even better match than Brock Lesnar and Samoa Joe have in store the following week at WWE’s Great Balls of Fire.

>“Our match is going to be a thousand times better,” said Patron, who was known during his time in WWE as Alberto Del Rio. “I have deep respect for Brock Lesnar and Samoa Joe, and I know they’ll give the fans an amazing match, but they’ll be limited by the politics in that company. That company won’t let one of them give one-hundred percent to the audience, they’re going to hold them back. Impact Wrestling says, ‘Here is the ring, go do your thing.’

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Tomko - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:09:11 EST ID:qXo1tZEh No.5774175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Remember when winning the title was more important than having a "good match" to please internet smarks?
Joel Maximo - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:14:24 EST ID:7q3RMDPg No.5774177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>I know they’ll give the fans an amazing match, but they’ll be limited by the politics in that company. That company won’t let one of them give one-hundred percent to the audience

he's right tho
Shad Gaspard - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:16:44 EST ID:THN67928 No.5774180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
not expecting either match to be much to write home about but the TNA match does feature a good worker in his prime and a decent one who's been motivated lately while the WWE one features a part-timer at the height of his laziness and a guy at least 5 years past his prime who's had like one good match in his entire WWE run
Booker T - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 22:46:26 EST ID:m/BXD4xo No.5774582 Ignore Report Quick Reply

He is, but Impact/TNA has been doing the same thing for years. When was the last truly great match in TNA? Has there been one since Dixie ruined the company by bringing in Bischoff and Hogan?

Bryan Alvarez speaks on the hardcore WWE fanbase by Mondai Ryu Special Noodles - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:24:59 EST ID:OXN6/Mv1 No.5773208 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is he correct? Does the WWE do a great job with catering to their hardcore fans but driving the casuals away at the same time?

He also speaks on present day WWE going in the same direction as WCW 2001
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GENTARO - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 09:45:28 EST ID:NdUFKJih No.5774076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How exactly do they cater to hardcore fans?
Ricardo Rodriguez - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:40:52 EST ID:4/RvB6Ke No.5774113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
..Did he actually say something like this? Because I could very much picture it.
The Blue Meanie - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:45:36 EST ID:ID+Bx9NT No.5774118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This dude false flags liberal bullshit in every single thread. Just report him.
Debra - Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:47:02 EST ID:5wHdR0PY No.5774121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He must mean hardcore "WWE" fans because as a wrestling in general fan I think they've done more to push people away from wrestling than even casuals. Hard to imagine a wrestling company that contains some wrestlers I think are amazing and I've driven three states away to see yet I don't even look up the summaries of their matches anymore.

Watched Daniel Bryan and CM Punk wrestle in gyms of 40 people and by the end of their tenures in WWE I didn't even watch WWE.

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