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WWE Needs to Change their Image by Kerry Von Erich - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:31:02 EST ID:Lws3nVBP No.5634123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I think WWE REALLY needs an overhaul. Sure, they have a completely different roster, divisions, and even how they broadcast events with the network from the past 10 years. But they still feel like the same WWE from 10+ years ago. It still has that boring era stink. The talent is very good but they need to overhaul how their product looks. I don't even watch much other wrestling besides american wrestling, but when you look at NJPW it's really changed and evolved from 10 years ago, and their recent success tells that story. Any ideas?
Headbanger Mosh - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:35:16 EST ID:HgB9cxq7 No.5634127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WWE's idea to make the cruiserweight division stand out and be different was to give them different coloured ropes, do don't get your hopes up.

I don't really know what significant changes they could do that aren't gimmicky like a 6 sided ring
Kerry Von Erich - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:36:45 EST ID:Lws3nVBP No.5634128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
change the whole representation of the show. make it less early 2000s and make it more 2010ish. WWE flourished when it stuck the presentation to the decade they were in.
Ortvatistadon - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:43:53 EST ID:Cj3CSJa4 No.5634132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get rid of Beaver boy.

WWE is way to OVERPRODUCED. The freaking ring is one big LED.
Tully Blanchard - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:39:36 EST ID:d9Uds+LU No.5634154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Honestly, I think my biggest problem with WWE right now is that Raw goes for three hours. If you trimmed the fat from Raw it would be a much better show (it would still have its ups and downs, but you wouldn't spend so much time bored out of your mind).
The Great Kabuki - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:53:47 EST ID:SSJeC9Dt No.5634164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They really should have a heavy and lightweight division. And their whole "WWE style" has to end.

They have a cruiserweight division, but only purple ropes make it an actual cruiserweight division. When you have that kind of thing, they'll never get over because they're just smaller guys with no TV time doing the same thing everyone else is doing.

They're cruiserweights, don't wind them down. Let them do their style and get over. WWE has become unbearable because they're trying so hard to be mainstream and cool, but the people leading it has their minds in the 80s.
Lex Luger - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 04:53:15 EST ID:3YJJ39dy No.5634222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They really should have a heavy and lightweight division
No they fucking shouldn't. Weight divisions in wrestling is the stupidest shit.
CRAPCOM !SNGay1lkXQ - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 04:56:04 EST ID:FIeM+sk4 No.5634223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wait until either Mania or Slam, they'll have the mat itself dolled up as a reactive eyesore.
Alundra Blayze - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 05:01:29 EST ID:i3olNYBP No.5634225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's too bright and colorful for a show about people fighting, in my opinion. I would dim the lights on the crowd and remove the LEDs in the ring.
They can still have all of their pageantry and stuff on the ramp for entrances but during matches it's just distracting and takes me out of it.
Gran Akuma - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 05:23:49 EST ID:aPuVly/3 No.5634227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Poor lighting, poor camerawork, everyone does in-ring promos now, WWE isn't wrestling.
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 05:56:33 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Poor lighting, poor camerawork
As opposed to what? PWG?
Jamie Keyes - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:07:41 EST ID:4z6zyVzM No.5634242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>But they still feel like the same WWE from 10+ years ago.

2007 WWE and 2017 WWE is night and day. The only constant is John Cena's existence and Michael Cole annoying the shit out of me.
♬LET THE VOICE OF LOVE, TAKE YOU HIGHEEEEEEEEEER♬ - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:10:57 EST ID:RYJGbqwq No.5634243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>2007 WWE and 2017 WWE is night and day
So which one is the light and which one is the miserable darkness?
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:24:51 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Agree at some point.

What I don't motherfucking get is why won't they do what they are currently doing in NXT everytime there's a championship match, where they just put the spotlight in the ring, giving a little moment of intimacy before the match. It looks great, it makes championship matches feel important, and they have the resources to do that. Fucking Dunn I fucking hate you.
♬LET THE VOICE OF LOVE, TAKE YOU HIGHEEEEEEEEEER♬ - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:33:12 EST ID:RYJGbqwq No.5634255 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All the useless flooding of unless electric boards(jesus christ that useless fucking ramp) that show absolutely nothing important and goofy color coded crowd lights and the overly bright arenas makes things look like goddamn shit, bland, unattractive and uncreative.

Overly bright lighting can still be poor lighting
Jamie Keyes - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:38:27 EST ID:4z6zyVzM No.5634258 Ignore Report Quick Reply

2007 was the miserable year. That's atleast my opinion. I kept up with the product from 1999 to 2006 or so then Vince blew up in a Limo and Benoit died and I just gave up for a few years.

2017 feels like a very different WWE. The split, NXT, the Women, UK, etc. It's all super interesting to me now more than ever except for one problem and it's always going to be a problem in wrestling, the booking.
Kama Mustafa - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:20:07 EST ID:V5kG7QCy No.5634269 Ignore Report Quick Reply
get rid of all the LEDs for fuck sakes. The whole set is one garish eyesore. The CWC and British tourney looked great since they had a simple set with a coherent theme, not fucking flashing lights and videos playing everywhere.

On that note, what's with the matchup cards. They've got some sort of weird futuristic stadium thing going on. The chains and barbed wire and shit on the old 90's/2000's shows was cheesy but atleast it was a clear, simple, eye catching theme.
Greg Iron - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:32:03 EST ID:7FjvZqO7 No.5634274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The new sets make the shows look like wrestling based game shows rather than a fight atmosphere. It has no bollocks anymore.
Kamala - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:31:55 EST ID:6Wg0+uHi No.5634298 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Has WWE brought back their moving Match Cards yet? It's crazy that they blew their budget on ALL LED EVERYTHING from the fucking entrance stage/ramp and even the apron and ring post, but not have animated match cards.

Hell, on Mania they haven't even brought back the unique stuff like the hallways and or the lights they had before for the match cards.
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:45:46 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>goddamn shit, bland, unattractive and uncreative.
holy buzzwords, batman. You got out of your way not to say actually anything remarcable. Quality post all around.

>Overly bright lighting can still be poor lighting
Not the case here.
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:15:59 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw some pleb dislike like the ramp
Melina - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:34:52 EST ID:uqRTe/9l No.5634316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
None of those words are wrong. The unneeded amount of lights makes their stage a fucking eyesore.
Melina - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:37:20 EST ID:uqRTe/9l No.5634318 Ignore Report Quick Reply
PWG doesn't have a million LED lights, & their camera doesn't shake with every move.
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:45:16 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw I can't have extravagance and excesiveness in my pro wrestling show
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:47:52 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It also looks like it smells and their wrestlers look like journeymen
Melina - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:52:09 EST ID:uqRTe/9l No.5634326 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At least their product isn't a brightly colored mess with shit camerawork, like WWE.
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:54:12 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>mfw my stadium wrestling has too many lights
Ivan Putski - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:55:46 EST ID:EWufTK01 No.5634328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't mind the color / LED vomit but god damn does the camerawork get to me.
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:58:08 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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A PWG fan trying to argue about production quality
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:01:30 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634332 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I don't get it. Why won't they actually hire someone competent to do the lightwork? It's not like they actually worry about money. Better things have been done on a smaller budget
Melina - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:03:44 EST ID:uqRTe/9l No.5634335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good job not proving anything I said wrong.

And hell, if you're just gonna go "hurr durr it's PWG," there's also NJPW, Dragon Gate, & many others. They don't have a million LED lights, you don't see their cameras shake like an earthquake is happening whenever someone takes a bump, & their products look far less ugly than current WWE.

Also, any reason why you responded to your own post?
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:08:03 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I, for one, am glad we have bigass entrances
R.D. Evans - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:21:50 EST ID:9AG+WWR4 No.5634350 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>trying to yanopost PWG having good production values into reality
Shit jolly african-american what are you doing.
It's widely acknowledged that PWG presentation is its lowest point, and that doesn't mean that you can't enjoy the show. Maybe it's sheer incompetence, maybe it's the fact that Dragon doesn't care enough.

>Also, any reason why you responded to your own post?
To provide a comparison between a bad presentation of the product and a good one.
Melina - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:25:56 EST ID:uqRTe/9l No.5634353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please quote the part in my post that said "PWG's production values are good." I'm saying that it's less of an eyesore than WWE.
Tyler Black - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:27:05 EST ID:gIRH9nkH No.5634354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's just the entire way they do things. Like look at the way they do things compared to every other wrestling product, or just from 15 years ago.

The show starts, they have a 20 minute, actionless, stationary promo where they recap all of last week so you don't have to watch last week's show. They're then interrupted by someone, usually the same person, they explain some stuff, then an authority figure comes out to explain stuff and explain what's happened later. You're never shown, just told.

Then its a bunch of filler matches with a ton and I mean a TON of ads in between that constantly interrupt the flow of the match. Every 10 minutes you get recaps of what happened on the show and explained what happened to you. Then they have a backstage promo where the person is just standing there, posing. The interviewer recaps and explains, then the wrestler explains in a heavily scripted promo.

If someone gets attacked during the interview, they will constantly recap it. They will then recap what happens on other shows. If something big happens on the show, they'll spoil it and just upload the clips and gifs all over social media, no need to watch it.

There's no surprise, they're so desperate for attention they announce stuff before time and show off. Or they'll brag about it on the show itself and jack themselves off over it.

Thats the entire show basically. Filler matches interrupted by ads, more ads, a bunch of promos on the show, WWE advertising their own products, WWE jacking themselves off for PR reasons, recaps of what happened on the last show, recaps of what happened on the same show. People explaining whats happened on the show, people explaining what happened on the last show, people explaining what you should or shouldn't like, people explaining whats happening now.

RAW is the worst for this but all WWE programming does it, with NXT doing it the least but NXT also has a lot of filler.

There's no reason to tune in, and when you do, it's just a fucking endurance of advertisements and products thrown at you. You can honestly just watch one show every two months or so and you'll have caught up because they explain everything to you in the first 5 minutes, there's just no need to watch.
Darkness Crabtree - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:28:24 EST ID:pa2omPk0 No.5634355 Ignore Report Quick Reply

check old World of Sport to discover why you're incorrect
Tyler Black - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:33:48 EST ID:gIRH9nkH No.5634360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh and the writing is bad. It's not only overproduced and an LED, badly edited mess, but it's also overwritten with horribly scripted promos. It's why most guys who shine on the indies become bland as fuck when they're called up. Especially on RAW. RAW's writers are worse than Smackdown's at this. It's why the cruiserweight division is so shit despite the talent they have, because stuff is being written for them, well, barely because they get no time.

It's the same for NXT call ups too, its why they lose all personality. The main roster 'creative' team dunno how to write for them and don't get it, they think just reproducing the same catch phrases with no meaning behind them or no reason for the crowd to care will produce the same result.

You can legit probably easily interswitch any of the promos the faces do with other faces and the same with heels and not know the difference. They're all written by the same person, so they all sound the same and they're interchangeable except for a couple of catchphrases and buzz words. The exception to this are the top tier guys who are allowed to ad lib their own stuff and improvise, and they're only good when they do that, anything scripted given to them is shit.
Chris Benoit - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:34:26 EST ID:7mXrZGOQ No.5634361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Weight divisions in wrestling is the stupidest shit.
La Parka - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:40:57 EST ID:pdrDTvQH No.5634368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Weight divisions in wrestling is the stupidest shit

Say that to a guy like Rey Mysterio or Liger. See what happens. Fucking high schoolers...
Ebessan - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:22:25 EST ID:d6ZApn0S No.5634394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Weight divisions in wrestling is the stupidest shit.
No it isn't.

Logically it makes sense, why do you think MMA and Boxing have weight classes? Why do you think amateur/freestyle wrestling has weight classes? You apply the same reasons to pro wrestling but obviously be more lenient and still allow big guys to fight smaller guys in feuds.
Chiva II - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:45:18 EST ID:81Lmmc8u No.5634408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Idk who the writers are but they're likely dorks with no life experience to draw from aside from cartoons and comic books
Tank - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:08:52 EST ID:esfQdvdN No.5634439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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He's 100% right.
I'm disappointed in you /wooo/.
Ebessan - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:15:12 EST ID:d6ZApn0S No.5634450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Companies have done both weight divisions and not and they have worked out well. It's really an arbitrary thing because they also have stuff like women's division, tag division, hardcore division, etc but not having it or having it doesn't really say anything as both ideas can work and have worked in the past.

All you have to do is just have the main title available to everyone but make it so big guys can't challenge for the Cruiserweight/Light Weight title.
Tank - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:18:44 EST ID:esfQdvdN No.5634453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can jam to that.
Mr. Anderson - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:36:01 EST ID:m/BXD4xo No.5634519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WWE has their best advertisers in over a decade (possibly ever?) and mainstream coverage from numerous sports and media outlets. They don't need to overhaul their image to anyone but diehards, and that's mainly because of selfish reasons ("I want my favorite wrestler pushed", "I want better pro wrestling and less shtick", "I want blood, swearing and titties back in WWE", etc.). WWE really needs a better TV deal at this point since NBC Universal was able to hold all of the leverage in the last negotiation with WWE.
Tyler Black - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:56:26 EST ID:gIRH9nkH No.5634719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They could at least vary the promos from generic face to generic heel. Even a guy who switches from face to heel, just gets the generic heel promos. The only variation between them are any catchphrases that wrestler has or any time the wrestler gets to improvise which is pretty rare unless you're a main eventer.
Justin Credible - Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:19:56 EST ID:e0wn9huI No.5634740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's too clean

I want smokey arenas back. I want dimmer arenas like we saw at the first Roadblock. We also need a new director or producer. The same camera angles since 2000. They got rid of the white ropes which was good. It looked terrible.
Ray Mendoza - Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:30:10 EST ID:2Ook/2ai No.5635539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please, if they actually drew from cartoons and comics, the show would actually be interesting. WWE's writing is like a shitty Lifetime movie.

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