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THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE (10TH NOVEMBER '17) by Jungle Grrrl - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:05:06 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5890887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Chris Jericho pitched the idea to Don Callis over the summer, who spoke with Kenny Omega about it. Omega was likely going to wrestle Kota Ibushi at the Tokyo Dome, which also figures into why Ibushi will be challenging Cody for the ROH title at the Dome show. Omega liked the idea and pitched it to Gedo, who in another lifetime, was the tag team partner of Jericho, when Jericho used the name Liondo in Genichiro Tenryu’s WAR promotion in the mid-90s. There was a secret meeting in late August in New York with New Japan officials and Jericho, but the actual deal wasn’t finalized until early October. The video itself was filmed shortly after that, about two weeks ago, in Los Angeles.

> Takaaki Kidani has targeted 30,000 paid attendance for this year’s Tokyo Dome show, up from 26,192 last year, a level they’ve been at for the previous four years since the promotion’s business upswing.

> The Dome show is starting an hour later this year, at 3:40 a.m. Eastern time on a Thursday morning. Thus far, five championship matches have been announced, with Okada vs. Naito as the main event, plus Omega vs. Jericho, Tanahashi vs. White, new IWGP jr. champion Marty Scurll (who beat Will Ospreay for the title at Power Struggle in the only title change on the show) in a four-way with Kushida, Hiromu Takahashi and Ospreay, Cody vs. Ibushi for the ROH title and Sho & Yoh defending the IWGP jr. titles against The Young Bucks. An IWGP tag team title match will come out of the tournament on the next tour, as will the remainder of the card, with the rest of the card expected to be announced right after the 12/11 show in Fukuoka.

> The Young Bucks are pushing that they want to move out of the junior heavyweight tag team division to the heavyweight division, noting that if they win, that will be record seventh time they’ve held the belts and there’s nothing more to accomplish in the division.

> Amidst all that, and kind of buried in the news, was New Japan announcing a 3/25 show at the Walter Pyramid, which is the 5,300-seat volleyball arena that Long Beach State plays at. It’s larger and a far better facility to watch wrestling in, and they are confident they can sell it out. Remember that the two sellouts in July were purely hardcore fans since no tickets were available to the public after two hours and there was no local promotion or advertising needed.

> As far as why Vince McMahon changed directions isn’t clear. There wasn’t a lot of interest in the Brock Lesnar vs. Mahal match, and Houston wasn’t and still isn’t sold out for Survivor Series, but there aren’t many tickets left. Mahal’s presentation as far as the Singhs and he and the entrances and interview deliveries were good and he got a lot of heat. His interviews themselves were poised, although some of the material in the Shinsuke Nakamura program was awful. Obviously, in the ring, he wasn’t having anything close to the usual level of WWE title matches, but it was unfair to expect that of him since he wasn’t the in-ring performer of that level. His title reign was purely a play for India, and it was figured if he was to lose the title, it would certainly be after the India tour on 12/8 and 12/9 in New Delhi.

> As noted in the financials, there was no evidence at all that his being champion had generated new revenue out of India, but this is still a long-term play, in the sense his being champion did lead to media coverage that WWE would have never gotten in that country, and even if there is no money to be made now, the idea is a perception of being important in India could pay dividends years down the line when things are in place where there is money to be made with that huge population.

> Announcing Cena in the Survivor Series match would indicate they aren’t switching the title back before Survivor Series, and there would be a very negative fan reaction to it going back to Lesnar vs. Mahal after now being changed to Lesnar vs. Styles. Mahal could still win it back before India, or they could add Styles to the India tour and do a change back there, and then rematch them again in Boston. Right now Styles is scheduled to headline Smackdown brand shows in the U.S. when the Raw tour of India takes place. Mahal & The Singhs are the only Smackdown wrestlers at this point scheduled for India.

> Exactly where Mahal fits in all of this isn’t clear, although he denied an injury (his shoulder has been injured somewhat in recent weeks and he’s done less in he ring because of it, although he’s been working on it regularly for several weeks and it hasn’t been taped up for a few weeks) and he denied a drug test failure. He is still wrestling and there was no evidence of a drug test failure to begin with.

> There is no word from WWE if Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn will be back at television in Charlotte on 11/14 or not. Neither are booked at Survivor Series in a match, but the storyline seemed to tease the idea that they could cause Team Smackdown to lose the match.

> Bound for Glory itself drew 650 fans. The television tapings the next two days did about 350, which were a combination of letting anyone who had purchased a ticket for Bound for Glory in free, some who actually paid and there weren’t many, whatever comps, and they were paying for 50 to 75 fans each night to attend using a local casting agent who offered $50 per night for fans to attend the shows, and they were told they could be given signs to hold and said that if they bring signs they will be more likely to get their faces sown on television.

> Usually Bound for Glory features a TNA Hall of Fame induction. There were at least three different people called to be in at different times in recent months. One was actually there, so I guess they just decided why bother. Another was Jerry Jarrett, and it’s obvious why that didn’t happen. The other was Mike Tenay, who at this point looks to be retired from wrestling.
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Jungle Grrrl - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:17:45 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5890891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890887
> Jose Jair Soria, better known as Shocker, was arrested on 11/8 for allegedly assaulting a prostitute. According to news reports, Soria allegedly attacked a woman in Calzada de Tlalpan. Hotel administrators at the Hotelito filed charges against Soria for causing damage to one of the rooms. He was arrested by police in Coyoacan

> Mesias (Mil Muertes) is out of action after undergoing surgery on both knees on 11/2. That’s a tough comeback at 42 years old

> The way tickets are done, it was almost impossible for those living outside Japan to get floor seats at the Tokyo Dome since they were only sold to those living in Japan. It’s not the worst thing because Americans who had floor seats last year said that being in the stands, even though farther away, would be preferable unless it’s the first few rows. Last year, when there wasn’t so much of a run on tickets, there were Americans who got tickets on the floor, and some of them told me they were, by choice, wanting to sit in the stands this year

> The Buysumotickets.com site that takes ticket orders from outside Japan for shows sent out messages to foreigners who had made orders for New Year’s Dash (1/5 at Korakuen Hall) saying that all ringside and reserved seats were sold to fan club members and only a few tickets are left, and they are only being sold at a physical ticket location in Tokyo with a two tickets per person maximum so all orders are being refunded. The web site send the message of apology about refunds noting they were as upset as the fans about not being able to fulfill the orders. “Those of you who ordered with us last year know that this did not happen before and there is no way we could have expected it.” They also wrote, “It seems NJPW is getting too popular. We will probably not accept any orders for Das next year, but that decision will be made much later.

> Matt Morgan, 41, was elected to the City Commission in his hometown of Longwood, FL, after what turned into a nasty campaign. Morgan, who wrestled for WWE and TNA, after being a college basketball player, had been targeted in hit pieces as being pro-gambling and supporting Las Vegas-style casino gambling at the Sanford Orlando Kennel Club. Morgan denied the charges and claimed it was dirty politics. He won his election with 58.5 percent of the vote to a position that pays $12,001 per year, and campaigned saying that the police and fire department personnel deserve raises

> Davey Richards said that due to school work, he’s not going to wrestle in 2018 but will return in 2019. He changes his mind about wrestling all the time as his first retirement talk was in 2010. He’s going to medical school and sees that as his future

> Brandi Rhodes will be a member of the cast of the new E! reality show “WAGS Atlanta” which is basically about hot wives and girlfriends of celebrity athletes. Barbara Blank (Kelly Kelly) and Anna Nichole Miller (the girlfriend of Tito Ortiz) have been on other WAGS shows. The idea is that they are high living hot women who live in Atlanta in an eight-week season that starts on 1/3, airing in the Wednesday at 10 p.m. time slot. The storyline for Brandi is that she’s a pro wrestler and former ring announcer who struggles with being married to a famous wrestler (Cody is listed as a current major wrestling star and an actor) and pushes that she’s the daughter-in-law of Dusty Rhodes, but that she struggles being married to a famous wrestler

> Taryn Terrell actually did suffer a concussion from the television angle slap by Gail Kim and because of the injury most likely couldn’t have worked Bound for Glory even if she had stayed with the company. Her leaving the company had to do with a visa issue where she was unable to get into Canada

> While this didn't get any publicity when it happened, Jessie Godderz was another of the names either not renewed or let go. He hasn't been used in a long time. He is scheduled for an independent show for the Bar Wrestling promotion in Baldwin Park, CA on 11/9, which I believe Joey Ryan runs

> The idea of a Hulk Hogan return is being revisited. It’s always down to the same thing, the feeling of whether sponsors would be okay with it and perceiving if there would be a media backlash where the racist quotes come out. With Hogan, it’s magnified far beyond anyone else, which is why they could name an award after Warrior and build their breast cancer program around him even though he said stuff far worse than Hogan, and unlike Hogan, he never apologized for it. Hogan was in talks about a return to wrestling of late, but not with WWE, with an angle that would have been huge, but in the end, it wouldn’t have made economic sense and the feeling is also that if he went anywhere, maybe it would be a tease like he did in the past and not go through with it and it would just be his angling to get WWE to bring him back

> Ric Flair is scheduled to appear at the 11/25 Starrcade show in Greensboro, which will include Natalya vs. Charlotte in a cage match. Given that Ric won the NWA title from Harley Race in a cage match at the first Starrcade, that would seem like a good place if they want to make the name mean something as far as doing a house show title change

> With only a few hundred tickets available, and selling out immediately, the secondary market entry price for the 1/22 Raw at the Manhattan Center (one of two locations for the show) is $306, which is the highest price for entry that I’ve seen for a secondary market show ever. I’ve heard the Kenta Kobashi retirement show at Budokan (which had closer to 17,000 seats) was in that range and the first MSG show for UFC was much higher, but the highest number I can recall for a pro wrestling show was barely half that for the NXT show in Dallas after the announcement of Nakamura debuting

> They seem to be slowing down on the number of PPVs, given that it appears the way they are doing them isn’t cost-effective with the network model. What’s been shown is that adding more PPVs hasn’t led to an increase in subscribers. They had been doing one Raw and one Smackdown PPV per month except in the months of the big four shows. However, December and February only have one PPV. In fact, the next Raw PPV isn’t until 2/25, which will be the Elimination Chamber show from the T Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. There will probably be a Smackdown PPV two or three weeks later before everything is geared to Mania, and that’s not even a definite at this point, but that would make it December until March for a Smackdown specific show

> Emma, Darren Young and Summer Rae were all given 90-day non-competes. Basically that means they are being paid their downside guarantees through 1/27, at which point they will be free to work anywhere. Not sure what will happen but we do know that Emma is actively looking to continue her career and has publicly said she’s looking for indie dates after 2/1. Emma, who will go by Tenille Dashwood, her real name, was in talks with Stardom to start when her non-compete ended, but negotiations have fallen through as her asking price of $2,000 per match, plus first class tickets and full creative control weren’t thought to be economically or business prudent by that company
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Jungle Grrrl - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:20:24 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5890892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890887
> As noted before, Ronda Rousey has been training regularly at the Performance Center of late, so it’s no secret or something being hidden. Right now the Horsewoman vs. Horsewoman match it scheduled for WrestleMania, which gives her, Marina Sharif and Jessamyn Duke, who have all been training there as well, several months to be able to get ready for the match. There is a strong argument that Rousey’s first match shouldn’t have been at Survivor Series because her first match will be the one that garners the most publicity, and may as well be on the biggest show of the year. If it goes well, they could always build for singles matches down the line

> Itami’s call-up for 205 Live is now expected imminently. It also should be noted that in Japan there is talk that Itami is interested in returning when his contract is up. As far as other call-ups, in the end, it’s Vince McMahon’s decision and they happen when they happen. Andrade Cien Almas was at one time on the list to come up in April, and here it is in November and they are still working on his character, and that’s been a good thing. The Authors of Pain were also on the list and haven’t been pushed as much in NXT of late, but it hasn’t happened yet

> Wolfgang suffered an injury in a match with Dunne on the 11/3 show in Aberdeen, Scotland and missed the rest of the U.K. shows and has been pulled from his shows this weekend including an 11/12 Progress show

> WWE ratings on Sky for the week of 10/23 to 10/29 saw the live Raw do 57,000 viewers, the live Smackdown did 17,000, a Thursday Raw replay did 19,000, a Friday Raw replay did 14,000 and Main Event did 20,000

> WWE held a tryout camp on 11/6 and 11/7 in Manchester before the shows with Regal and Robbie Brookside running things. Those invited were Andrew Inch (Scottish wrestler Andy Wild), Omari Hockel, Chinu Sandhu (eight-time British freestyle heavyweight champion and 2014 Commonwealth Games bronze medalist), Tosan Adeogun (Big T Justice, who is 6-foot-9 and 300 pounds), Jackie Polo, Mark Coffey, Iestyn Rees, Donna Dale (Little Miss Roxy), Chris Warring (Chris Ridgeway), Jason Melrose (Primate), Samantha Hunter (Sammii Jayne), Eddie Dennis, Ashton Smith, James Ahmed, Alan Niddrie (Kenny Williams), Charlie Spooner (Charlie Winston), Courtney Stewart (a 23-year-old kickboxer), Wesley Male (Ugandan Warrior Nsereko) and Colin George (a 6-foot-10 Kickboxer)

> Sin Cara was injured on the 11/5 show in Madrid, Spain. He was working in a three-way with Corbin and Zayn. He collapsed in the match and was on the mat holding his knee. Corbin and Zayn went right to the finish where Corbin just pinned him with the End of Days since Corbin had to win. He had to be helped out of the ring. What was notable is that even though it was legit, a lot of people just thought it was part of the show. Later that night, he felt a lot better and felt like he had dodged a bullet. He was held off the house show in Madrid the next day, but was evaluated at TV on11/7 in Manchester and cleared

> Regarding this week’s house shows, HHH worked the Raw events from 11/1 to 11/5, as part of The Shield, teaming with Ambrose & Rollins over Sheamus & Cesaro & Wyatt in the main events. He also worked the 11/6 Smackdown house show beating Rusev. He’s not working the house shows this week. Angle worked as part of The Shield on the 11/7 show in Birmingham. The New Day were scheduled to move to the Raw side for shows from 11/8 to 11/11. The idea was to make up for Reigns, who they considered the biggest star on the Raw brand, not being at the house shows because of his illness

> Cass was on the Sam Roberts podcast and said his recuperation from knee surgery was going from a timing standpoint right as expected. He said he was targeting shortly after WrestleMania for his return

> Mauro Ranallo and Frank Shamrock are going to be working together on a project called ShamrockWay in 2018 to talk openly about mental health and mental health awareness

> Balor and Lynch have opened a WWE Academy, a kids playground with a WWE theme, in London as part of KidZania. It’ll be a place where kids can dress up to be like wrestlers, and cut promos

> The top three matches for the 12/26 show in Madison Square Garden are Shield vs. Sheamus & Cesaro & Wyatt (who is replacing Miz in the angle), Cena vs. Joe, Kane vs. Strowman and Miz vs. Balor

> The most-watched shows for the week on the WWE Network were: 1. NXT on 11/1; 2. Table for 3 with The Shield; 3. The recent TLC PPV show; 4 Ride Along with the Hardys, Axel & Dallas; 6. Ride Along with The Shield, Banks & Bayley; 7. Beyond Phenomenal: A.J Styles in the 2016 Royal Rumble; 8. Beyond Phenomenal, more A.J. Styles clips; 8. 205 Live from 10/31; 9. WrestleMania 33; 10. 2015 Survivor Series
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KC Cloudy Day - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:24:24 EST ID:0qPMlM4B No.5890893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>They seem to be slowing down on the number of PPVs, given that it appears the way they are doing them isn’t cost-effective with the network model. What’s been shown is that adding more PPVs hasn’t led to an increase in subscribers.

When most of the PPV matches are TV tier and usually nothing happens this isn't a surprise... also revisiting the matches at the next show makes the PPV feel so not special.
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Jungle Grrrl - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:25:19 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5890894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890887
NJPW Power Struggle Star Ratings:
> David Finlay pinned Katsuya Kitamura in 5:32. **
> Young Bucks beat Titan & Dragon Lee in 7:10. ***1/4
> Jushin Liger & Juice Robinson & Tiger Mask & Hirai Kawato & Kushida beat Zack Sabre Jr. & Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Taichi & Desperado & Taka Michinoku in 5:19. **3/4
> Togi Makabe & Hiroyoshi Tenzan& Satoshi Kojima beat Cody & Yujiro Takahashi & Chase Owens in 8:11. **
> Sho & Yoh won the Super Juniors tournament beating ACH & Ryusuke Taguchi in 15:51. ***1/4
> Kazuchika Okada & Hirooki Goto & Tomohiro Ishii & Yoshi-Hashi & Gedo beat Tetsuya Naito & Evil & Seiya Sanada & Bushi & Hiromu Takahashi in 12:07. ***1/4
> Minoru Suzuki beat Toru Yano in 15:21 in a bullrope match to retain the Never Open weight title. *3/4
> Marty Scurll beat Will Ospreay to win the IWGP jr. title in 17:28. ****1/4
> Kenny Omega beat Baretta to retain the U.S. title in 21:34. ****1/2
> Hiroshi Tanahashi beat Kota Ibushi in 29:26 to retain the IC title. ****3/4
Impact Bound for Glory 2017 Star Ratings:
> Trevor Lee retained the X title in a six-way over Dezmond Xavier, Garza Jr., Sonjay Dutt, Matt Sydal and Petey Williams in 12:25. ***1/4
> Taiji Ishimori pinned Tyson Dux in 4:47. *1/2
> Abyss beat Grado in a Monster’s Ball match in 10:23. 1/2*
> James Storm & Ethan Carter III & Eddie Edwards beat El Hijo del Fantasma & El Texano Jr. & Pagano in 15:28. *1/2
> Dave & Jake Crist (OVE) retained the tag titles beating Ortiz & Santana (LAX) in a 5150 street fight in 10:16. ***
> Gail Kim won the Knockouts title in a three-way over champion Sienna and Allie in 9:40. *1/4
> Bobby Lashley & King Mo Lawal beat Stephan Bonnar & Moose in a cage match in 10:41. **1/4
> Eli Drake retained the Global championship over Johnny Impact in 19:29. **3/4
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Mike Enos - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:38:17 EST ID:dKYubKip No.5890900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Mesias (Mil Muertes) is out of action after undergoing surgery on both knees on 11/2. That’s a tough comeback at 42 years old
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Santa T-Hawk - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:41:38 EST ID:qWFUkJ7J No.5890902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Emma, who will go by Tenille Dashwood, her real name, was in talks with Stardom to start when her non-compete ended, but negotiations have fallen through as her asking price of $2,000 per match, plus first class tickets and full creative control weren’t thought to be economically or business prudent by that company

come on, emma
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KC Cloudy Day - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:45:35 EST ID:0qPMlM4B No.5890904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890902
Hey, can't blame her for trying. She can probably get that from indy shows for a while and go back to STARDOM at a lower price later.
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Lacey Von Erich - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:46:13 EST ID:yyWGyE/C No.5890905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890902
Emma is a better wrestler than everyone in Stardom except for Io.
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Irwin R. Schyster - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:48:21 EST ID:sHPhguFI No.5890906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890894

>Shitty Greg worked a 4 and a half star match
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Hugo Savinovich - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 01:48:44 EST ID:3BjDvqBr No.5890907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890904

Literally nobody is going to pay her that.
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Awesome Kong - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 02:02:10 EST ID:l1Uq58FA No.5890915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> Itami’s call-up for 205 Live is now expected imminently. It also should be noted that in Japan there is talk that Itami is interested in returning when his contract is up.

poor guy's gonna get gutted before he gets released
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Jimmy Wang Yang - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 02:04:49 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5890916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890892
>Chinu Sandhu (eight-time British freestyle heavyweight champion and 2014 Commonwealth Games bronze medalist)
huh, I wonder why someone that go
>4 year drug ban
Oh I guess that's why
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Adam Cole - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 02:16:43 EST ID:JVnYm9PE No.5890920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890892
>Wolfgang suffered an injury in a match with Dunne on the 11/3 show in Aberdeen
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Brian Kendrick - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 02:44:19 EST ID:YKEnLNzC No.5890931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890894
> Sho & Yoh won the Super Juniors tournament beating ACH & Ryusuke Taguchi in 15:51. ***1/4

Nice to see Meltzer wasn't high on this match either. I was pretty dang disappointed in it. It was just... off.
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Savannah - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 02:47:50 EST ID:q1IBRhiU No.5890932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890915

>sign every indie darling so nobody can have them
>put them on 205 live
>they all automatically quit months later

what's the point other than wasting money?
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Snitsky - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 03:56:24 EST ID:HQ+aWszT No.5890943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890892

> WWE ratings on Sky for the week of 10/23 to 10/29 saw the live Raw do 57,000 viewers, the live Smackdown did 17,000, a Thursday Raw replay did 19,000, a Friday Raw replay did 14,000 and Main Event did 20,000

There's little information when it comes to UK ratings, but I will tell you this - in 2011, both RAW and Smackdown were averaging over 100k viewers on Sky. This was on top of Impact getting about 150k viewers on Challenge. Six years later, WWE's ratings have more than halved and god only knows what Impact's ratings are like.
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El Mesias - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 04:20:09 EST ID:7+Jz//E1 No.5890947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890943
Well, at 0.1% of the UK population it was probably down to the real hardcores watching WWE, and those are the people who would be paying attention to the UK indies. They probably found wrestling they were more interested in and gave up on WWE.

That said, I believe Sky's ratings in general are in decline.
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Paul Heyman - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 04:25:54 EST ID:/uMoIgsD No.5890949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890931
I thought ACH was great this entire tour. But yeah this match just felt off in certain places. Totally not a bad match, but nothing all that impressive.
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Claudio Castagnoli - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 04:37:54 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5890952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890902
Everyone coming out of the gates of WWE tends to over-estimate their worth on the indies. That said, I can't complain about her wanting creative control considering what creative had for her in WWE.
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El MurciŽlago - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 04:38:38 EST ID:cFGKb8fe No.5890954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890943
Going to be very interesting to see what happens when the Sky deal runs out in 2019 and comes up for renewal. Be interested to know how Impact have been faring on Spike as well, doesn't seem like they've promoted it as much as it felt like Challenge did, although the episodes can be found on the My5 app.
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Justin Gabriel - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 04:48:24 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5890956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890931
>>5890949
Wasn't ACH injured?
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Carlos Cabrera - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 04:52:18 EST ID:Yy/7/IXm No.5890960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890902
holy hell i'd love to
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A.J. Styles - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 06:21:47 EST ID:wFAK9J+D No.5890981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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God Damn WK12 is gon be Lit.
Might even be better than WK10.
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Alex Koslov - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 06:58:54 EST ID:+YGnoZ94 No.5890995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>clips of AJ you could find on YouTube are a bigger draw than 205
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Abdullah the Butcher - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 07:21:59 EST ID:15E4wyJI No.5891002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890905
behave
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Michael Kovac - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 07:26:33 EST ID:2Youmaxo No.5891006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890894
jesus those TNA ratings, harsh.
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KC Cloudy Day - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 07:36:46 EST ID:0qPMlM4B No.5891013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891006
But fair.
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P.N. News - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 07:54:41 EST ID:v4v3oDqT No.5891024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891002
well considering the average level of talent in stardom he's not far off lol
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Raven - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:36:01 EST ID:Jb4nA1B3 No.5891036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890887
> Balor and Lynch have opened a WWE Academy, a kids playground with a WWE theme... where kids can dress up to be like wrestlers

So it's NXT?
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Raven - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:43:25 EST ID:Jb4nA1B3 No.5891040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891006
Impact is good if you are a regular viewer who is invested in the wrestlers and storylines. I personally thought the Moose/Bonnar vs Lashley/Mo fight was fun as fuck. I liked the KO match too and the stroy for the Impact/AAA match. I thought Ove/LAX was garbage.
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Papaya - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:44:03 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5891041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
more on jericho:
>Despite recent reports, Chris Jericho is not under WWE contract and has been a free agent since his WWE contract expired in May, according to Dave Meltzer in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer. Jericho will be facing IWGP U.S. Champion Kenny Omega at Wrestle Kingdom 12 on January 4th, 2018 at the Tokyo Dome in what is currently a one-shot deal. It will be his first match outside of WWE since 1999, when he left WCW to sign with WWE.

>According to The Observer, Jericho's last WWE contract expired at WrestleMania 33 this past April, however he signed a one-month extension that ended in May when he dropped the WWE U.S. title to Kevin Owens on SmackDown Live. Jericho worked a few WWE shows in Japan over the summer as well as one episode of SmackDown in late July as a surprise, however those were as a free agent. As noted, Jericho was asked to work WWE TLC against Finn Balor in late September after Bray Wyatt was forced to pull out of the show, however he couldn't do it due to other commitments.

>Meltzer noted that people close to the situation expect Jericho to return to WWE in 2018, with one source saying that it could be as early as the RAW 25th anniversary show in January. It was noted that Jericho returning at the RAW 25th anniversary would be a bigger deal coming off of a high profile NJPW match, given the response that AJ Styles received coming from NJPW. It was noted that WWE is said to have no issue with Jericho doing the match with Omega.

>Jericho is working with ROH for his cruise next year in October, with Cody Rhodes and The Young Bucks being confirmed for the cruise. Jericho had originally approached WWE about having NXT talent perform on the cruise, but they turned it down.
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Fire Ant - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:46:09 EST ID:+MsUeIfF No.5891042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd give her $2,000 a match to have creative control over our sex lives.
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Tiger Mask - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:02:47 EST ID:CsFq65tm No.5891052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890900
>Mesias gets worse
jesus christ how terrifying
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Chris Hero - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:04:44 EST ID:+FTmQhFd No.5891053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890891
>Emma, who will go by Tenille Dashwood, her real name, was in talks with Stardom to start when her non-compete ended, but negotiations have fallen through as her asking price of $2,000 per match, plus first class tickets and full creative control weren’t thought to be economically or business prudent by that company
If you can't even get a position in Rossyland because your prices/conditions are too unreasonable how do you think some shit heap indies are going to pay you? Good job dummy.
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Kane - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:08:11 EST ID:nr90M4qs No.5891054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891041
>Jericho had originally approached WWE about having NXT talent perform on the cruise, but they turned it down.
Can't have inter-promotion matches, dammit.
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Slapper - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:46:05 EST ID:XdjaCYVz No.5891076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
650 Fans for Bound For Glory?
LMAO WAT.
650 for the "Biggest show of the year". Insane.
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Rocco Rock - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:49:56 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.5891078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Emma, who will go by Tenille Dashwood, her real name

She should use Emmalina as her name on the indies
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Jigsaw - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:57:53 EST ID:jFxuWWF1 No.5891085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891054
according to jericho on Killing the Town, when he first approached the WWE higher-ups (mostly HHH and his crew), the concern was more on health and safety. Seems like his original pitch was it to be an NXT-only event, although he fully expected it to not work, except there were a lot of legal matters on the WWE side to worry about.

I don't think the initial proposal even considered interpromotional stuff and Jericho fully expected it to not work out since he knows how WWE works and all
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Daffney - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:01:49 EST ID:ooxghLVe No.5891089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891052

I love Mil but feel that LU does a lot to hide his weaknessess and strengths just from seeing him in TNA years ago. Is he that bad outside of LU?
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Buddy Rogers - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:06:34 EST ID:e37Ihlji No.5891092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What is it with Rossy and gaijins? I'm tired of this shit it's why I stopped giving a fuck about Stardom.
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Giant Baba - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:13:02 EST ID:XK07g1Z3 No.5891096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890894
>ibushi vs tana was almost perfect
i dont think so
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Chris Hero - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:15:22 EST ID:+FTmQhFd No.5891098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891092
Thankfully Rossy was smart enough to realize that bringing in a WWE castoff asking for $2000 per match, comped first class (for a trans-Pacific flight no less) and total creative control of anything she does was retarded. I mean he does dumb stuff with the gaijin but even he has his limit it seems.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:25:57 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5891107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/dcucny6jbi/110917wol.mp3


>Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive is back today with tons to talk about including everything we know about the situation with Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, how the AJ Styles title change affected ratings, plus interviews with Dave Meltzer and Nicole Savoy! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:26:33 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5891108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/21t6ylf5vs/110917bvshow.mp3


>The Bryan & Vinny & Granny Show is back today with tons to talk about including our weekly chat with Granny, her WEEKLY WRESTLING REPORT, a very important update on her floor, NXT building up to War Games, and this week, for Thursday POTPOURRI, it's a look at the last hour of this past Friday's CMLL DAY OF THE DEAD show! A FUN TIME AS ALWAYS SO CHECK IT OUT~!
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Charles Robinson - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 14:47:07 EST ID:llgKCyfW No.5891273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891096
you're right, it was totally perfect
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Kanyon - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 15:11:29 EST ID:0tR3B1qD No.5891302 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890956
Yeah he had tapped up ribs. But if anything those played into the match really well. He was selling it like crazy, but then it all lead up into the big spots of him ripping it off on the top rope before doing the 450 (which got like the biggest reaction in the match), and not being able to capitalize in time to do a double team move with Taguchi.
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AKIRA - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 15:48:19 EST ID:2oVjopN7 No.5891324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890887
>Dome show is starting an hour later this year


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, NEW JAPAN
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Smark E. Smith !kOLa8smLSw - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:14:24 EST ID:OQLzgRyX No.5891343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890887

>Bound for Glory itself drew 650 fans.

wew lad
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Rocco Rock - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:01:12 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.5891373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>PWInsider.com has confirmed with multiple sources that after being sent home from the currently ongoing tour of Europe, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are scheduled to be at this Tuesday's WWE Smackdown Live taping.
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Jetta - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:18:25 EST ID:xU2HBdj6 No.5891382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890902

>2 grand a match
>first class tickets
>creative control

>thinking you're gonna get these kinds of perks being a completely underwhelming WWE castoff who accomplished next to nothing

On a related note does anyone really on the indies get paid that kind of money per appearance outside of something like a huge name doing a one-off or something?
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Hornswoggle - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:36:18 EST ID:/uvwknxj No.5891394 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891382
The Young Bucks, if not the entire Biz Cliz.
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nowah (Cesaro Section) !BWG1quPheY - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:43:10 EST ID:cGW0xyn/ No.5891399 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890891
>the secondary market entry price for the 1/22 Raw at the Manhattan Center ... is $306

This is one of the craziest things I've ever read from Meltzer. This is the price to GET IN THE BUILDING to a random Raw in New York City.
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nowah (Cesaro Section) !BWG1quPheY - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:46:47 EST ID:cGW0xyn/ No.5891401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891382
Rey Mysterio does 10x easily that though you're right that he doesn't factor into most long term company storylines. Alberto, Ryback, Cody, the Bucks, Omega, Bubba, Hennigan, maybe Sabre - I could see those guys charging comparable. Lucha guys like Drago and Penta and Fénix can charge a little less based on the peso but I wouldn't be surprised to hear top New Japan stars making demands above that for US shows.
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Tiger Mask - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:47:40 EST ID:CsFq65tm No.5891402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891401
I was under the impression that Rey's at most The Crash shows and just got one of their belts.
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nowah (Cesaro Section) !BWG1quPheY - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:54:14 EST ID:cGW0xyn/ No.5891406 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891402
You're probably right about that, I haven't followed Crash in a couple years but I do know that F4W/WON reported in 2015 that Rey was making $20k an appearance so good on them if they have that kind of money I guess.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:00:10 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5891410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/arymxak0js/111017wol.mp3


>Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive is back today with tons to talk about with our in-studio guest FILTHY TOM LAWLOR, who will be wrestling All Ego Ethan Page tonight in Seattle, WA, for Defy Wrestling! Tons of news, an appearance by Seth Petruzelli, and tons more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:01:17 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5891412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/75ztunfpgc/110917walter.mp3


>Wrestling Observer Radio with Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer is back today with special guest referee WALTER, in his first-ever English language podcast appearance! Tons to talk about including his early days, various name changes, philosophy of wrestling and tons more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Emi Fujino - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:08:51 EST ID:EB3ox5pX No.5891449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891412
thank you
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Go Shiozaki - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:15:25 EST ID:1YqLk0kC No.5891451 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891412
>WALTER interview
Neat.

Not his first English-language podcast though. He and Dieter were on Webster's podcast in late January or around there.
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Okada - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:18:47 EST ID:SeGtGp+m No.5891455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890947
>>5890943

It’s like 2am to watch it live in the uk which doesn’t help. Outside of that I think Sky has changed their sports packages so you don’t get all the channels for one fee anymore, you can pick and choose where most folk would just opt for football. That’s how wrestling worked so well on Sky. WWE was filler programming for their sports network and was always on. With more selective sports packages that isn’t the case.

That’s what’s dumb about people thinking TNA and WWE were on the same level here. In initial viewing they may beaten WWE but one was shown at a reasonable time on a weekday night and the other was at 2am. Replay views into consideration WWE was much larger and has a much larger brand recognition. WWE could sell out a stadium in the UK. TNA at the height of UK popularity couldn’t.
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Ernesto Osiris - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:20:46 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5891457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891455
1am actually.
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Okada - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:26:42 EST ID:SeGtGp+m No.5891459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891457

Ah shit, well it was 2am pre 3 hour raw.

“The is m1
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Okada - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:30:41 EST ID:SeGtGp+m No.5891461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891457

Dat “the following program is a post watershed production. It will contain scenes and storylines not suitable for children, and some of the content will also be inappropriate for other viewers. This program contains strobe lighting effects” whilst trying desperately to stay awake.
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Chainz - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:32:28 EST ID:Yy/7/IXm No.5891463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891108
>Granny saying how Enzo defeats Bates with a duplex and then Fellatio comes out to make the save

God bless this woman.
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Ernesto Osiris - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 19:32:50 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5891465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891461
I miss the Sky Sports streams, just for that warning.
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DOWN SINCE DAY ONE ISH - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 20:51:12 EST ID:RPcRlhLb No.5891495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I gotta tell you I used to fucking hate the Usos but now I think they are based. The should have never been babyface to begin with.
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DOWN SINCE DAY ONE ISH - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 20:53:00 EST ID:RPcRlhLb No.5891496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891495
this was meant to be a thread and I fucked up, I’m on mobile
nb
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Charles Robinson - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 20:58:18 EST ID:hHALJCDM No.5891499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891495
Their initial heel run was ass
>WE IN YOUR COLLEGE
>TAKING YOUR SCHOLARSHIPS
>TAMINA
So turning them face was probably for the best. They just should've turned into what they are now sooner
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Pablo Martino - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:29:40 EST ID:LKayNPEn No.5891521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891495

"Uso Penitentiary" is a really weak line
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Primo - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:57:13 EST ID:cNVXpNSj No.5891531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891495
The biggest proof of letting guys be themselves being 100x better than forcing them to have a shitty gimmick and a bunch of scripts on how to act.
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Rain - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:05:13 EST ID:JaYozsOT No.5891537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890887
A new stable was created in the last NXT Live Show. The stable includes The Best Kept Secret, Buddy Murphy, Fabian Aichner, Christopher Donovan and Marcel Barthel. They faced SaniTY and lose the match.
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Crossbones - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:26:46 EST ID:n0MsySuJ No.5891546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891537
Murphy, Aichner, Dijak and Dieter is a great fucking stable from an in-ring standpoint. Can't wait for them to go the way of Shoot Nation though and never actually be a thing on TV before being disbanded.
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Eli Cottonwood - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:32:30 EST ID:XK07g1Z3 No.5891550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891537
nxt ringkampf?
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Hydra - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:33:26 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.5891551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891537
This is almost certainly not going to actually lead to anything on TV especially with how stable-heavy NXT already is but I wish it would
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Carl Oullette - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:37:37 EST ID:fbXyMEWJ No.5891586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That WALTER interview was awesome. He seems to have a great mind for the business.
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Go Shiozaki - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 23:49:54 EST ID:1YqLk0kC No.5891590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5891537
Good lord, what a group. Give me Dijak & Dieter vs Oney & Burch on tape with at least 6 minutes and NXT will have wrapped up MOTY late in the game.

>>5891586
Big Man with a Big Brain. Everything has fallen into place for WALTER this year. What a guy. I finished up the wXw Tag League today and he and Thatcher basically had a ****+ match every single time they came out.
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Calijester - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 00:52:05 EST ID:gFoMUEF5 No.5891608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891551
This happens a lot on the house shows. I remember Gable and Jordan came together because they were in a stable on the house shows. The stable never made TV but we could see two new teams out of this.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 01:48:17 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5891618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891463
Granny episodes are honestly the one I look forward to the most
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Dustin Diamond - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 02:07:37 EST ID:lPJIskZR No.5891622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891495
They were always good. Problem was they had no real character, and were pretty much forced as the Cena's of the Tag division.
Them being full of Thuggery is one of the best things.
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Irwin R. Schyster - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 04:23:32 EST ID:k+ptwGJ7 No.5891673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891622

>cena's of the tag division
>now pretending to be black

pottery
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Mari Apache - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 04:41:41 EST ID:uXbGQaAl No.5891678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5891495
I didn't HATE faceso's but it was just tiresome, tbh most of my annoyance was from the ham commentary about them flying and whatnot.

I noticed a collective groan of hate from just about every stream I've watched, but they've grown on my at their current state. They did what the New Day should have done well over a year ago
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Abdullah the Butcher - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 04:41:42 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5891679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891622
I think what soured people on babyface Uces was them getting some heinous wins (blowing out Harper & Rowan in their PPV mini-series and ending the reign of Miz & Mizdow) while becoming the little buddies of Cena then Roman and getting their heat by association.
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Ernesto Osiris - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:42:12 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5891891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Former WWE Divas champion Paige will finally return to WWE programming this week, PWInsider.com has confirmed.

> Although there had been early plans for her to return on the Smackdown brand, PWInsider.com has learned that WWE will instead have her return to the Raw roster, where she had been originally drafted during the 2016 brand split but never actually appeared post-Draft.

> The belief among several we have spoken with is that Paige will somehow end up on the Raw Women's team at the 11/19 Survivor Series in Houston, Texas, where she now resides. Bayley vs. Mickie James vs. Dana Brooke has been announced to fill the position of the fifth competitor of Team Raw this Monday for Raw in Atlanta. It's possible Paige is added to make it a four way or WWE runs some other sort of angle to have Paige replace one of the members of the team.

> Paige has not competed for WWE since the summer of 2016, when she was suspended for the first of two infractions under the WWE Wellness Policy. Since that time, she has undergone neck surgery. In recent weeks, she has been working out at the WWE Performance Center in preparation for her return to WWE storylines.
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Sunny - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:51:55 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.5891894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5891891
Good!

I was disappointed when they kept saying she was going to go to Smackdown cause we had already seen her have feuds with pretty much everyone on that roster.

Meanwhile Raws division is made up of women that we've never seen her feud with or even wrestle against in the first place (Mickie, Nia, Alexa, Asuka, etc). Plus they have an easy way to bring her back storyline-wise since the team captain is Alicia and they have history.
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Sable - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:01:07 EST ID:38rBfJ+K No.5891897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891891
So it's safe to say we will get another round of leak tomorrow, yeah?
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Brooke Tessmacher - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:03:46 EST ID:xS/SPXZ3 No.5891898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891622
This is the truth.

>>5891891
I'm cool with this and I would be cool with Paige lifting the title off of Bliss.
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A.J. Styles - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:10:53 EST ID:aJ87+khi No.5891901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5891891
>RAW gets Asuka
>Oh cool Smackdown will probly get Paige then? , it's female roster does need a bit of a boost.
>RAW gets Paige
Why the fuck did I expect fair treatment.
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League Manager Y2YAY !fKufr32NAI - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:15:20 EST ID:epfe0UIz No.5891907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891891

That should be cool. Hopefully she doesn't get too much shit from the crowd. I imagine that she's not going to Smackdown in order to keep her away from the Xavier jokes.
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King RIKI - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:16:01 EST ID:jiZnJv5a No.5891909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891891
Not even subtle that Smackdown is the B show.
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Sunny - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 13:16:32 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.5891911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891901
You forgot that Raw just lost Emma (and Summer lol)
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Saba Simba - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 14:01:48 EST ID:89ea6ryl No.5891926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891495
Every time I see them it just infuriates me that they never turned Roman
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Rain - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 14:36:23 EST ID:cFGKb8fe No.5891955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891901
I bet SD gets the next NXT women's call up, whoever that might be, might as well bring someone like Ember Moon up sharpish if she's not going to win at Takeover.
Going to be interesting to see what the SD title feud for Mania is considering it's looking dead certain both Charlotte and Becky Lynch will be occupied with the 4HW/4HW stuff, aside from those two the division there is lacking. Guess they'll do Carmella vs Naomi or something.
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Tiger Mask - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 15:10:48 EST ID:dflykKKs No.5891976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Tazz may be a little inconsistent piece of shit... But he's right with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esz3U5DBwPU
Except for the part he says "WWE is smart"
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Wataru Inoue - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:17:05 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5892310 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891901
Look at the bright side: at least Paige or Asuka will be sent to Smackdown after Bliss inevitably ruins them.
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Tank - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 23:50:31 EST ID:PLJsXy46 No.5892327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891955
I hope they get Peyton and Billie instead.
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Triple H - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 05:01:27 EST ID:+qlEDgVl No.5892466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5890943
Worth pointing out that Sky subscription numbers are massively down year-on-year for years now, thanks to BT Sport/Virgin/the internet, and the new sports package layout means you'd have to get (I think) the 'Arena' channel, which also features boxing an UFC, rather than getting it on Sky Sports 1 like they used to.
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Nicole Bass - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 05:19:49 EST ID:iTGGEDAh No.5892476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5891976
Why you riding on tazz ?
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Acid Jaz - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 05:42:34 EST ID:cFGKb8fe No.5892482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892327
Wouldn't be a bad shout that. Although that would stack their division very high on heels then. Suppose you could being them up as faces like they did with Roode.
Got a horrible feeling they'll chuck Liv Morgan on SD though, she's done main roster house shows, has a following of sorts and seems like someone that would fit on future Total Divas series.
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Wataru Inoue - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 06:00:00 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5892486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892482
We shouldn't be using Roode's current booking as a model

>face Billie Kay

Discoostin'
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Acid Jaz - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 06:12:01 EST ID:cFGKb8fe No.5892489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892486
We shouldn't I agree, but I wouldn't be at all surprised.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:27:04 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5892785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/jalv75zu8u/111217wo.mp3


>Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer are back with the weekend edition of Wrestling Observer Radio talking UFC Fight Night, Anderson Silva's suspension, upcoming fights, Conor McGregor loses his mind again, HHH vs. Jinder Mahal in India, Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn update, indy wrestling this weekend, Lucha Underground, mailbag and more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Soldier Ant - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:50:35 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5892798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5892785
>39 minutes of sweaty dick punching chat
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:09:08 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5892807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892798
They do talk about it from a pro-wrestling point of view, which I don't really like but expect from them.

>30 seconds discussion about the 15min fight
>5min discussion about the 30 second speech after the fight
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Tony Chimel - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:15:40 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5892880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892807
how is this talking about it from a pro wrestling point of view? promos (and other theatrics) have been a part of MMA from the beginning...
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Tony Chimel - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:16:14 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5892881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892880
well, as long as it's been on TV.
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WrestlingTheSport - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:20:45 EST ID:p2rQDDW/ No.5892885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did Bryan and Vinny happen to do an episode where they talked about DEFY? At the show on Friday they accompanied Tom Lawlor to the ring for his match with Ethan Page.

Also, Bryan Alvarez is a tiny tiny man.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:31:18 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5892896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892880
Yeah but in my opinion, it was never a bigger part than the in-ring product, and certainly not worthy of more discussion than the matches. Like they'd give the finish and then spend the majority of the time talking about the marketability and post-fight speeches. I meant it in the way that if you watch pro-wrestling but not MMA, you'll be able to follow the conversation easily as they use no technique names and talk about the product as if it's a pro-wrestling promotion. Not saying it's a bad thing, given I doubt they have very little only MMA listeners.


>>5892885
I don't think they've done a show since then since they don't do weekends normally, but on the latest WOR Bryan said he was backstage for the majority of the show so he didn't see much of anything.
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Tony Chimel - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:55:58 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5892914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892896
> in my opinion, it was never a bigger part than the in-ring product
what are you basing your opinion on, exactly? UFC never broke into the mainstream until they put out a reality show. even in the early days, why do you think guys like joe son or emmanuel yarboro were in UFC? it wasn't for the in-ring product...

Pride similarly had flamboyant announcers and entrances.

> they use no technique names
that's just factually incorrect.
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Dasher Hatfield - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:17:30 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5892932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892885
they did a quick recap on a tuesday show once with craig
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:35:19 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5892949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892914
>Marquardt was hurt him with a punch and took him down, Ferreira got a big slam in to side control, Marquardt reversed to the top, Marquardt was landing big elbows.

I'm saying if you're a pro-wrestling only fan, you can pretty much get the gist of what's going on there, except maybe not knowing what side-control is. There's no mention of the underhooks or overhooks that allowed Ferreira to get back up, exactly how Marquardt was able to sweep from side control, whether the slam was from a single or double leg, or body control from the clinch, that may confuse someone that only watches pro-wrestling. It's pretty accessible for anyone to understand what's going on from their description, because it's not technical.

Because if nobody cares about the in-ring product and only cares about the presentation, why don't they just watch pro-wrestling? When I watch MMA, I watch it because I want to see the best fighters fight each other, not because I want to see cool entrances, and the growing audiences for stuff like the ADCC, Olympics and BOA Super 8 show that there are people who do actually care about that. Surely it's not hard for you to believe that people who watch sports actually like to watch the actual sport?
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:36:46 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5892950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/yzn98q1xb8/111217wol.mp3

>Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan Alvarez is back today with a solo show talking Survivor Series, Jinder Mahal vs. HHH in India, Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens and tons more, plus Gabe Sapolsky joins us to talk EVOLVE, Keith Lee, WALTER and the rest of the stars, plus upcoming December events. A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:47:39 EST ID:RcXSbMAB No.5892957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892949
UFC does pro wrestling better than the WWE
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Captain Lou Albano - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 19:59:51 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5892966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892949
>says they don't list techniques
>quotes them listing techniques
nice one. you're out in the weeds, man. i don't know why you keep doubling down on your stupid premise.

>Because if nobody cares about the in-ring product and only cares about the presentation, why don't they just watch pro-wrestling?
because connor is more entertaining than john cena

>Surely it's not hard for you to believe that people who watch sports actually like to watch the actual sport?
I get that you said something dumb but putting words into my mouth isn't going to change that.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:23:12 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5892988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892966
>big slam is the name of the technique Ferreira used to take down Marquardt in round 3

I can't argue with stupid
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Blackjack Mulligan - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:39:53 EST ID:/uvwknxj No.5893043 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5890891
>The idea of a Hulk Hogan return is being revisited.

The Sun is reporting it's happening.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4896421/wwe-latest-news-hulk-hogan-return/
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Grizzly Redwood - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:17:09 EST ID:KhbSST1C No.5893072 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893043
I guess this means he can do Hall of Fame and PR stuff for WWE again but he wouldn't contribute a thing on TV in 2018.
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Rick Martel - Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:38:33 EST ID:3csXNlDP No.5893083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893072
He'll pop 1 rating, and once the novelty of seeing him return is gone, it'll just be a waste of money afterwards.

Maybe a few ironic Hulkamania shirt sales.
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Jon Moxley - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:14:34 EST ID:e009Euk8 No.5893178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893043
Man. Fuck Hulk Hogan.
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Jon Moxley - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:14:33 EST ID:e009Euk8 No.5893179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893043
Man. Fuck Hulk Hogan.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:30:16 EST ID:mSCsnnQG No.5893180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/xo3x9wsifh/111217bvshow.mp3


>The Bryan & Vinny Show is back today with our usual Sunday night fare, ROH on Sinclair, or in our case the FITE app, and an NWA World Championship Wrestling show where LEX LUGER had the best match of the entire evening, although granted he was working with Barry Windham. A fun show as always so check it out~!

Bryan also said on the WOL earlier today that they'd talk about cornering Tom Lawlor on the weekend, though don't expect much about the show itself as he said on the WOR before that he was backstage most of the show.
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Sara Del Rey - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 03:41:06 EST ID:mnCZa+Eg No.5893183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5893179
stallion
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Devil Masami - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 04:47:59 EST ID:uXbGQaAl No.5893197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5893043
no. fuck him. I mean he should just go disappear
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Maven - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:55:59 EST ID:i2PmuMn+ No.5893213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5892988
It is though?

>>5893083
No one cares about what hulk said anymore. People have moved on to only caring about hating celebrities with sexual assault allegations against them
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Dave Taylor - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:24:53 EST ID:U58yr8wk No.5893218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893213
It's nu-/wooo/
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Bam Bam Bigelow - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:50:39 EST ID:CwARwPIO No.5893226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>SJW's still don't want Hogan to return because he's LE RAYCISS.
go fuck yourselves, Hogan was under almost suicidal depression that time, and Gawker is a fucking bitchwhorecunt who would have published pedophilic sex tapes. Lift Weights, Have Sex and Get A Clue
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Axl Rotten - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:52:25 EST ID:qpB7mOMV No.5893227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5893226
I personally don't want Hogan to come back because he'll add nothing by his presence, like the person said above, maybe a bump in the numbers, but in the long run, who cares?
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Jimmy Garvin - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:57:09 EST ID:KXVC/DKa No.5893230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893227

I'll actually check out WM this year if Hogan returns, and I won't be the only one. Hogan still has star power.
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Axl Rotten - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 06:58:03 EST ID:qpB7mOMV No.5893231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893230
That's Wrestlemania. The company was built off Hogan's back in the early ones, so i'll understand. When it comes to Raw, not so much.
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Brock Lesnar - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 07:11:41 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5893236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893230
Welcome to the Silverdome, brother!
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Max Moon - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 13:55:04 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.5893482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>While the expectation in recent weeks has been that former WWE Cruiserweight champion Neville was on his way out of World Wrestling Entertainment, sources within the company have told PWInsider.com that there have been recent positive discussions between Neville and the company. Obviously, we will see if that is soon the case.

>There is a belief among some in the company that talks have gone so well that Neville could actually be returning to action for WWE before the end of the month. One source even believed Neville could be back as soon as this week, but PWInsider.com has (as of this writing) not been able to confirm that is the case.

>Neville quietly disappeared from 205 Live storylines last month amongst stories that he had walked out of Raw after balking to losing a match to Enzo Amore. PWInsider.com quickly debunked the walkout story as Neville was never even on the road that week. We later reported in the Elite section that the idea that Neville had refused to put over Amore again was shot down, specifically because the two had become close friends and regularly socialized away from WWE events.

>WWE sources immediately denied that Neville had been released from the company, he was later removed from the 205 Live opening. At that time, however, two different sources told PWInsider.com that Neville had pushed for a WWE release with the idea of leaving the company and building his name outside of it, similar to what Drew McIntyre did prior to his return to NXT.

>As we reported at the time, until Neville was actually released, there was always a chance that the two sides could come to terms, paving the way for his return to the company. If what we are hearing is correct, that road has been paved.

>Neville has been with the company since signing a WWE developmental deal in July 2012.

https://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=113572
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Head Cheese - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:08:21 EST ID:Z0nYJQZ9 No.5893489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
Balor vs Neville at the Raw December ppv to decide who faces Lesnar would be sick.
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Mickie Knuckles - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:09:45 EST ID:i2L7x/5J No.5893490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
>No PAC vs. Hiromu
>No PAC coming back to DG for a match or two
Boo
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Mabel - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:10:16 EST ID:llgKCyfW No.5893491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
terrible news
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Kenny - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:11:15 EST ID:AumAAP4c No.5893492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
best news
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Ruckus - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:13:30 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5893494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
>Itami comes to 205
>Neville wants back in
I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but building to Neville vs Itami at Mania seems like a better direction for 205 and Neville than anything they would've otherwise had planned.
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Scott Stanford - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:13:45 EST ID:LW4OyVzN No.5893495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
From my understanding, WWE had nothing for him storyline wise post-Championship loss. So he'd be basically back on the shelf, which is what Neville didn't like. He didn't want to be out of Creative's mind/perspective as he constantly wanted to be used to some capacity to what capacity, be it just a fill in for A vs B typical filler match or giving him another storyline is purely up to speculation and so Neville took it as "Well if you got nothing for me, see ya later, call me when you do because I'm not gonna waste my time (and money) [and yours] by showing up if you're not gonna use me." So I guess since WWE [surely] doesn't want to release such an outstanding talent so they've basically now come up with something for him until they run whatever they have dry or he walks out again or this sheet is dirt and WWE does end up firing him and we'll all hear about it in the shoot interview
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Jazz - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:14:39 EST ID:i28Ah2M7 No.5893498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
While I like that Indie marks are btfo, it's shame because he would have some fantastic matches in New Japan.
with that said, get him the fuck out of 205 Live, and put him on Smackdown
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Jimmy Olson - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:15:07 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5893500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482
I really hope he's not stupid enough to think he'll be treated better after walking out on them
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Johnny Gargano - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:15:16 EST ID:CzA20TQD No.5893501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482

>WWE Title feud between AJ Styles and Neville

I can only get so erect.
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Tetsuya Natio - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:16:27 EST ID:Tlg9gWny No.5893503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482

Maybe they offered to pull him out of 205 hell. At least I hope so.
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Scott Stanford - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:19:38 EST ID:LW4OyVzN No.5893506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893494
I would mark my balls off if we get Itami vs Neville at 'Mania (and actually on the card and given proper time) even tho business-wise I understand why they put Aries vs Neville on the preshow. But still
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:38:31 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5893517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893503
I hope this in some fashion. Maybe Neville has been trying to convince them he doesn't need to be stuck in the CW division and that he can be a lot more for them (which is true)

>>5893500
Well apparently he didn't walk out and he didn't have ill will about putting over Enzo. It seems like for a time being they simply didn't have anything for him and during that time he may or may not have tried to address various concerns.
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Cheex - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:38:53 EST ID:wyd5W6Pf No.5893518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893500
Yeah I want the best for him but WWE would be sending a weird message to the lockeroom if Neville got rewarded for holding them up

Still, I'm excited. I even feel like he could get a comeback pop.
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X-Pac - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:43:39 EST ID:HPaJIXEi No.5893524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Neville comes back
.>Main roster immediate feud with Miz
>Wins the IC title at the ppv
>Is beaten like a drum in every match before fluke winning and is declared to be not over
>Loses it 2 months later
>Back to Kalisto level jobber 2 months after that

Like clockwork.
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Bill Alfonos - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 14:51:38 EST ID:+YGnoZ94 No.5893529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So basically he's had to come crawling back cos the alternative was having to sit out his contract for God knows how long. Great.

Also maybe now we can stop making out a terrible person seeing as he's good buds with Neville and Finn who both seem chill. It seems the people who have a problem with him a stallion 'company men'
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Kenzo Suzuki - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:45:32 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.5893564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What a shame, I want to see Neville on the indies so bad again
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Jim Johnston - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:14:31 EST ID:OTeOFacG No.5893629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Booooooooo if you're happy about Neville staying you're an idiot and you like bad wrestling
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Repo Man - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:20:31 EST ID:u/kK14u9 No.5893633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893629
>nip wrestling 'fan' outs himself
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Head Cheese - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:11:45 EST ID:Z0nYJQZ9 No.5893665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893629
Would rather have him in the Jr. Heavyweight Title Match at WK but I doubt that will happen.
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Head Cheese - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:11:45 EST ID:Z0nYJQZ9 No.5893666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893629
Would rather have him in the Jr. Heavyweight Title Match at WK but I doubt that will happen.
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Ernest The Cat Miller - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:20:17 EST ID:odE8Jqqa No.5893669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No talk of Swaggie Time signing with Bellator? Not sure if he'll still wrestle for CWFH or if it'll be a full-time gig for him.
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Rob Van Dam - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:23:38 EST ID:khbv1kVi No.5893670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5893482
Please, PAC. Please don't fall for the 'E's false promises. You'll just find yourself working the Mania pre-show once again.
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Genichiro Tenryu - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:30:41 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5893675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893482

I love PAC, but if he falls for their bait, he's a moron.
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STIGMA - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:32:39 EST ID:9H9q+noW No.5893676 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893675
He probably just asked to be moved back into the HW division.
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Stinky the Homeless Guy - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:47:24 EST ID:HiS64gey No.5893681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893676

I think you're right and I think it's because Neville knows he can get himself over on the Raw roster even if he's being jobbed out. You simply can't get yourself over on 205 Live. It's a dead brand due to a lackluster debut.
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Bill Alfonos - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:55:48 EST ID:+YGnoZ94 No.5893686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So now rather than Neville having great matches and going absolutely nowhere on 205, he'll be doing it on RAW. I can't wait for the inevitable 'battle of the midcard' with Finn and him bouncing around for Braun before becoming an afterthought again and getting thrown in the Andre battle-royal

>Based dub dub E!
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Lin Bairon - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:12:04 EST ID:9dVmQFxR No.5893694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>trying to shit talk Paul's glorious new york office making a deal with neville

and how is your faggot tna territory doing you autistic obsessed mecca shills?
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Sniper - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:17:02 EST ID:IJGi8uvB No.5893695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5893482
Hopefully he gets a midcard run dont want to be too optimistic. At the end of the day money and miles > rats and bingo halls.
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Okada - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:20:08 EST ID:i2L7x/5J No.5893697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893694
You're trying too hard
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John Morrison - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:15:58 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.5893769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5893694
at least try bud
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Good Wrestling Minds - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:53:19 EST ID:ziXkOEgv No.5894361 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Post wrestlers that would be great bookers/agents after they retire.
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CRAPCOM !SNGay1lkXQ - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 08:57:01 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.5894366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894361
so long as that doesn't take away from his duties in the commentary booth
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Shane McMahon - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:02:01 EST ID:rd922YnK No.5894393 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5893482
I can't wait for the "pay your dues" saga
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:05:13 EST ID:ksa9NS5E No.5894446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WWE is just doing one show in India instead of two - https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/11/14/16649156/wwe-reduces-india-tour-to-one-show-jinder-mahal-triple-h
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Jessie McKay - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:06:11 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5894447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894446
Why?
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:10:32 EST ID:ksa9NS5E No.5894450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894447
Probably because tickets weren't selling well for one of the shows.

http://www.wwe.com/worldwide/article/triple-h-jinder-mahal-main-event-wwe-live-supershow-december-9-2017
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Brian Pillman - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:22:07 EST ID:1ZET+LPY No.5894463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894450
>muh Indian market
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Ezekiel Jackson - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:26:59 EST ID:hUsxYzhz No.5894468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
dave really is tired of wwe this wor
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Tatanka - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:27:51 EST ID:+YGnoZ94 No.5894470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>WWE can't even sell out fucking India
Holy fuck, they still think it's real over there ffs.
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Rosie Lottalove - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:36:45 EST ID:gNHXr31C No.5894483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894446
Who's ready for Haitch to bury Jinder in India?
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Kid Kash - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:43:51 EST ID:jRaTLxrE No.5894489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894468
link?
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The Dog - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:48:31 EST ID:bFUrA4N4 No.5894493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well what the fuck did they expect, India is a poor as fuck nation. Sure, it will add a lot of social media hits but very little return on investment

like i've been saying this shit for months
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CRAPCOM !SNGay1lkXQ - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:17:16 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.5894516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894470
It's almost as if re-tweets and Facebook likes don't actually equate to money, especially in a nation where the average yearly income is about $600.
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Jessie McKay - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:29:19 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5894525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894450
Dave apparently said something about this on the wrestling observer board, anyone got a screencap?
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Greg The Hammer Valentine - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:44:10 EST ID:i28Ah2M7 No.5894533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5894525
Here.
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The Dog - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:50:46 EST ID:bFUrA4N4 No.5894546 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Wrestling Observer Radio with Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer is back today with tons to talk about including Raw from Monday, the go-home show for Survivor Series, the death of Eddy Guerrero and questions about him, 30 for 30, Daniel Bryan update, Conor McGregor, Bisping talking retirement and tons more! A fun show as always so check it out~!

http://www56.zippyshare.com/v/QTnvOBhd/file.html
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Jessie McKay - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:52:16 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5894548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894533
Thanks
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Jessie McKay - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:14:51 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5894618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The following names have been removed from the Impact Wrestling active roster:

>Swoggle (Hornswoggle in WWE)
>The Veterans of War (Mayweather & Wilcox)
>Mahabali Shera

welp, is Shera going to be the HOTTEST FREE AGENT IN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT?
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JK Trolling !HnaoKxsqDA - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:20:24 EST ID:8KkpS44J No.5894622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894618
He can be the Orlando Jordan to Jinder Mahal's JBL.
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Earthquake - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:20:35 EST ID:Ybchf0OF No.5894623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894618

Wilcox deserved better.
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WrestlingTheSport - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:22:15 EST ID:p2rQDDW/ No.5894625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894618

Full list of talent who left Impact in 2017:

>Jade (Mia Yim), Maria Kanellis, Mike Bennett, The Pope, Gabi Castrovinci, Taryn Terrell, Rockstar Spud, Wilcox (Veterans of War), Crazzy Steve, Alisha Edwards, Drew Galloway, Jesse Godderz, Aron Rex, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Reby Hardy, Jeff Jarrett, Marshe Rockett, Bram, Madison Rayne, James Storm, Crimson (Veterans of War), Eddie Kingston, Matt Morgan, Tyrus, Low Ki, Aiden O’Shea, Marti Belle, Swoggle, Mahabali Shera, Scott Steiner, Davey Richards, Cody Rhodes, Brandi Rhodes, Robbie E, Magnus, referee Brian Hebner, referee Robert King, referee Brian Stiffler, referee Earl Hebner.
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Rocco Rock - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:52:21 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.5894657 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894625
lmao
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JK Trolling !HnaoKxsqDA - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:01:48 EST ID:8KkpS44J No.5894668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894625
In fairness, a couple of these were or were pretty close to one-offs (Scott Steiner, Matt Morgan, Magnus) but it is still pretty bad and there are others that could likely be added that were there longer.
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Tatanka - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:03:29 EST ID:+YGnoZ94 No.5894672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894625
Most of those were doing nothing and some of them are trash.
People who don't even watch the show are making out guys are walking out on TNA but the reality is a lot of those guys weren't even on TV 5 times this year.
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Mustafa Said - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:37:38 EST ID:n0MsySuJ No.5894757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894668
In Morgan's case it was because they were based in Orlando and taped on the weekends. They started taping on the weekdays and then went to Canada or something to that effect so he left. Now he's a city commissioner in Longwood and one step closer to being IRL Mike Haggar.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:48:13 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5894851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive is back on a very WINDY Monday with tons to talk about including Jack Swagger going to Bellator MMA's heavyweight division, Raw tonight, Paige's return, the Shield, and more, plus Dr. Lucha talks Lucha Underground and more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:48:36 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5894852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894851
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/888ou57rve/111317wol.mp3
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WrestlingTheSport - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:11:39 EST ID:hu7ZLtgc No.5894869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894851

Thank you!

Also, do you happen to have the Bryan and Vinny review of Bound for Glory 2017? I had it saved on Soundcloud, but Soundcloud deleted it and now my life is nothing but sadness.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:25:16 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5894882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894869
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6ww8tlwoin/110617wol.mp3

I think this was it
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:27:37 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5894887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894882
Scratch that it's this one, that's the one with Mike Sempervive. I remember they messed around with the timing of stuff so they could review it that day

http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/dulusrmr0y/110517bvshow.mp3
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WrestlingTheSport - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:42:24 EST ID:hu7ZLtgc No.5894898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894887

Thanks, you're truly history's greatest hero.
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Calijester - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:26:48 EST ID:gFoMUEF5 No.5894920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894625
When did the Veterans of War get released?
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Rayna Von Tash - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:43:07 EST ID:w4pHt6ne No.5894936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Has Retro B&V been uploaded?
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:48:30 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5894942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894936
NWA is a bit earlier in the thread but not the RAW/Nitro one
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Sangriento - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:13:02 EST ID:3csXNlDP No.5894965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5894546
>People are asking us about the next 30 for 30
>Sammartino or Brody, probably. Maybe Vince
>What about the Undertaker?
>I don't think that would be that interesting.

Even Dave Meltzer knows that Undertaker was
>NEVER THE GUY
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Joel Maximo - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:49:10 EST ID:KzQwJrYD No.5894988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894965
An Undertaker one wouldn't be interesting because he hasn't had an absolute train wreck of a personal life, and any truthful stories from him about the wrestling business would be cherry picked and provide no real insight into anything.

Undertaker is the definition of a company man.
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Muscle Sakai - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:14:29 EST ID:KiR7V5k8 No.5894999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894468
Rightfully so.
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Pete Rose - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:16:38 EST ID:1IGgllfQ No.5895000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5894965
That had nothing to do with it, it was about how interesting their life story would be. He didn't think the Rock would make for an interesting one either, even though he was a huge star.

Flair isn't just a pivotal star, he also had a fascinating personal life that bled into his wrestling career.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:20:26 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5895001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/bw5h1kao7g/111417wol.mp3


>Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive is back today with tons to talk about including WWE canceling one of the stops on the India tour, the future of Jinder Mahal, India ticket sales, Raw from Monday night, Survivor Series, Smackdown and so much more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Roxxi Laveaux - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 23:50:15 EST ID:odqhRz/t No.5895014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895001
Thanks brother
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Silver King - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:14:06 EST ID:Yy/7/IXm No.5895023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895001
thanks mate

you truly are the second coming of andres giant hammer balls. unless that is also you
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Michael Kovac - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:12:18 EST ID:PE1Wv85e No.5895071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Retro show
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Atlantis - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 04:20:22 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5895082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895071
hello yes its me i demand to know where my pirated subscription podcast is right now please thank you

fuck off
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Michael Kovac - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 04:22:14 EST ID:PE1Wv85e No.5895083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895082

Every week you do this and every week you get shit talked for being retarded Carter you ban evading faggot
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Jessica Love - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 05:03:40 EST ID:llgKCyfW No.5895092 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895083
nah you're the faggot tbh
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 05:49:56 EST ID:+LVNsVEy No.5895100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/hzldwlc046/111417bvshow.mp3


>The Bryan & Vinny Show is back today with tons to talk about including our look back at Raw and Nitro from 19 years ago this week. So much to talk about including the astonishing and impossible to believe fact that Nitro only gets worse and Raw only gets better, plus why it is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for there ever to be another boom period like the one we witnessed in the 90s. A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Rachel Summerlyn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:21:18 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5895110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895083
marky pls
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Mister Pogo - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:34:35 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.5895391 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> A press release was issued today, announcing that current Impact Wrestling personality Konnan will head the creative team for a new pro wrestling promotion, Aro Lucha, that is being launched by former TNA production company and minority owner Aroluxe.

> The promotion is expected to begin running next year with TV tapings in the Nashville, TN area, where Aroluxe is headquartered. Aroluxe had been funding Impact tapings in exchange for a percentage of ownership in the company and as PWInsider.com reported in 2016, the company was in a position to claim ownership over Impact had Dixie Carter not maintained regular payments reimbursing Aroluxe.

> As it turned out, Anthem Media would come in as an investor and eventually purchase Impact from Carter's company Impact Ventures LLC. That left Aroluxe out in the cold as they were not retained as Impact's production company.

> The Twitter account for Aro Lucha promises, "High-energy Lucha Libre for the entire Authentic family. Authentic stars, characters & stories. Live events & digital content. Lucha for the fans by the fans."

> What this means for Konnan's status with Impact Wrestling, where he manages LAX, remains to be seen.

> The official release reads:

> ARO LUCHA Announces Carlos “Konnan” Ashenoff as Head Writer

> Arolucha, Inc. announced today that Carlos “Konnan” Ashenoff will lead the writing team for its upcoming Lucha Libre project. Effective November 1st, 2017, Konnan will lead the writing team to produce character-driven, authentic, and original storylines for the Aro Lucha world of Lucha Libre.

> Konnan is regarded as one of the brightest and most creative minds in the wrestling and sports entertainment industry. Spanning over 3 decades, Konnan’s career has ranged from professional wrestler and on-screen talent, to color commentator, booker and creative consultant. He has worked for nearly all major professional wrestling organizations including AAA, CMLL, WCW, Impact, and WWE.

> “When you’re creating an authentic Lucha Libre product in the United States, I’m not sure if there is any other person you want at the core of your company than Carlos, (Konnan)” said Jason Brown, CEO or AroLucha, Inc, “He brings an authenticity and a knowledgebase to the project that is unmatched.”

> Konnan is best known to his legion of fans as one of the biggest box office draws in the history of Mexico. Breaking attendance records as the main event in virtually every major city, including Mexico City and Los Angeles. Although his success as a professional wrestler launched Konnan’s career, his lasting impact on the industry continues through his own Mexico-based promotion, The Crash Lucha Libre, where he is co-owner, lead writer, and executive producer. Konnan has a keen eye for talent, bringing to light the likes of Rey Mysterio and Psychosis, and more recently Penta Zero M and Rey Fenix. He continues to influence and foster young talent through his perpetual support of Hispanic performers within the professional wrestling industry.

> “Carlos loves this industry. He has given his life to professional wrestling and there is no one else that we could see as a better partner within the US,” said Ron Harris of Aro Lucha.

> For more information visit www.arolucha.com.
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Jimmy Garvin - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:47:44 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.5895401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5895391
> Konnan is regarded as one of the brightest and most creative minds in the wrestling and sports entertainment industry.
>Breaking attendance records as the main event in virtually every major city, including Mexico City and Los Angeles.
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Melina - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 14:51:56 EST ID:anrFgsA0 No.5895405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895391
I wonder how this will affect The Crash / Impact relations
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Mima Shimoda - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:01:27 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5895410 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895391
>minority owner Aroluxe.
So how many minorities do the Harris Brothers own?
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Kevin Sullivan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:08:16 EST ID:cm2CKhVK No.5895412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895410
That's genuinely the funniest joke I've heard in a long ass while. Good job, dude!
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The Godfather - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:14:05 EST ID:KsM1pHmi No.5895415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895401
I know you're a teenager and are too lazy to look into any of this yourself, but believe it or not, konnan was a huge deal in lucha before wrestling in american promotions and could draw close to 48k in mexico city.
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Jimmy Garvin - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:44:40 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.5895452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5895415
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Dragonfly - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:48:12 EST ID:2ro9/3Uu No.5895459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5895410
Ha. Nice
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Byron Saxton - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:01:07 EST ID:HiS64gey No.5895473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5895410
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Stevie Richards - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:12:57 EST ID:HJYS63ft No.5895487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895452
Sweet comeback, bruh.
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Owen Fart - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:14:07 EST ID:zwoGFhDe No.5895488 Report Quick Reply
>>5895401

All of that is true, tho.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:11:46 EST ID:xTVC/XNo No.5895537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/36ewoitcr5/111517wol.mp3


>Wrestling Observer Live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Sempervive is back today with tons to talk about including a Smackdown recap from Tuesday, Charlotte's title win and appearance by Ric Flair, Survivor Series changes including more last-minute ones, tons of calls, Bryan vs. MANBEAST memories and more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Atlantis - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:24:14 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5895602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>no filthy for two weeks
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 04:33:25 EST ID:xTVC/XNo No.5895998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6ak35wzkc7/111617wo.mp3


>Wrestling Observer Radio with Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer is back today with tons to talk about including another Survivor Series, Smackdown, 205 Live, the full line-up of weekend shows including UFC and NXT, UFC headliner who is not Conor McGregor attacking another man with a BOOMERANG and tons more! A fun show as always so check it out~!
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Tadasuke - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 04:47:44 EST ID:vZYlZBl3 No.5896009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5895537
>>5895998
you da best
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:13:34 EST ID:xTVC/XNo No.5896036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5896009
had to go back 3 pages to find this thread through the bbc porn, also I'll probably have to post it again when somebody making the new thread coz the newsletter came out today
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Tadasuke - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:21:13 EST ID:vZYlZBl3 No.5896048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5896036
based


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