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#BigMike, Meltz and the rape thing by Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:11:54 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5937772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm going to see if /wooo/ is able to talk about this because it might deserve its own thread at this point.

Mo Malone, the female trainee at Michal Elgin's school who said she was raped by another wrestler, Sean Orleans has done an interview: http://www.pwponderings.com/2018/01/11/speaking-out/
She goes into her affair with Mike, what happened with Orleans, why she didn't report it to the police, what happened with Elgin afterward. She is also stating the Meltzer never bothered to contact her for quotes and his reports have been inaccurate. And he reprinted Elgin's apology statement without ever getting Mo's side of the story.

Yesterday, Meltz responded on his forum citing https://hellofindthetruth.tumblr.com/ as his source that Mo may be lying. But it's not really a credible thing and may be something written by Elgin or another Glory Pro student.

Dave is getting a lot of shit for this; not for "woke ess jay double-you" reasons but just for really sloppy journalism on a very big case

There's a lot of shit brewing about Meltz, Ryan Satin, David Bixenspan being sloppy about the reporting of this, only getting Elgin's side of the story, etc

David Bixenspan put out a statement re: his friendship with Elgin and Mo's claim that he brushed her off when she reached out to him for help/coverage. His argument is that he couldn't find anything concrete for a report in time and he wouldn't call Elgin out in public in the meantime: https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/951672578032263169

Without getting into am "all women are whores," "what about all the women that lie about rape" stuff -- do you think Meltz fucked up in his coverage? Does this make him look sloppy or out of touch or too biased?
Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:20:03 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5937779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And I don't know whats going on but now Mo Malone is claiming Meltz is the one who created this tumblr to discredit her: https://twitter.com/Th_BodyElectric/status/951678456068153344

I do not believe that.

I do believe she was assaulted. I do believe Elgin handled it poorly.
I do understand why she didn't feel like she could go to the police.

I do believe Bix when he says Mo just wanted him to blast Elgin on Twitter. I don't think that's a good solution.
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:27:53 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5937782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I immediately lost any interest in this shit when it became quite clear the actual sexual assault that happened was left by the wayside in favor of going for Elgin who pretty much has only been an asshole and not get rid of Orleans based on nothing but he said she said at the time
Lance Cade - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:30:32 EST ID:vr6pCYET No.5937786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Meltz is the one who created this tumblr
hahaha what a schizo does meltz even go on tumblr?
Mikey Whipwreck - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:37:30 EST ID:b5EShYXU No.5937787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the reality of wrestling journalism is that nothing in this story is making anyone money and therefor nobody gives a shit about how right they're getting it. Maybe they'd put in more effort if Elgin were a bigger star, or if the allegations were directly against him... or if she'd done a better job of making people care.

Not justification, but it is what it is
A.J. Styles - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:37:49 EST ID:TEoE/Rwh No.5937788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dear God, this could easily end up being the worst thread of the Year..
Politics/Ethical concerns ALWAYS end up as a shitshow when brought up here
Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:39:27 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5937790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think women definitely need to be listened to when it comes to sexual assault issues but there are some elements of Mo's story that are not sitting well with me,

She admits to having an affair with Elgin but I have not seen her express any remorse or take responsibility for what this mean for Mike's wife and child. It takes two people to cheat.

>PWP: One of the most common questions naysayers ask is “Why not just go to the police?” Did you feel this was ever an option for you?
>Mo: At the time of the assault I was working as a Crisis Intervention Specialist at a Domestic Violence Shelter/Rape Crisis Center (a job I lost due to repeated triggering because of my own trauma). I have been involved in the fight against domestic and sexual violence my entire life. I am very well versed in the statistic probability of a case like mine being brought to charges, let alone a conviction. The thought of being dragged through the mud and having my most personal trauma scrutinized by men I had worked with previously, knowing that it would get nothing accomplished, made me physically exhausted and ill. Additionally, filing charges against an abuser will often times cause them to retaliate. And when charges/conviction are not likely, the risk of retaliation isn’t worth taking. I also thought I had Elgin on my side, who would hold Orleans accountable in his own community. Obviously, I overestimated Elgin.

I can understand fear of retaliation when you're the victim but ... isn't a Crisis Intervention Specialist at a Domestic Violence Shelter/Rape Crisis Center seeing no use in going to the police ... kind of a bad thing?

Bix is putting it out there that he fucked up a little bit but he wasn't just going to do a twitter blast on Elgin and wanted to treat the story seriously.

I do think she was attacked but it does seem like she wanted "wrestlers court" to handle it internally and put her faith in her trainer/married man she was having an affair with.

I do think Meltz looks SLOPPY AS FUCK linking to a tumblr as his source. He should have just not touched it or said anything until something concrete came out.
Bertha Faye - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:43:27 EST ID:dP3kX961 No.5937794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree with what yr saying but why does her cheating have anything to do with it? Shitty thing to do sure but it doesn't really affect that she was assaulted at all
Daffney - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:45:27 EST ID:0qPMlM4B No.5937796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At this point Meltzer has so much on his plate

>WK12 and NJPW
>Women's Royal Rumble and Royal Rumble in general
>WM season to include HoF inductees
>Young Bucks/Cody's ALL IN event
>Everything else to include Indies and Lucha news
>MMA in general

So then this story comes along/is blowing up and for the most part it's a one man operation on the journalistic side at WON. Dave doesn't have the to care about this nor the incentive to. I now very little about the situation at hand but it feels like a whole bunch of nothing.
Kaitlyn - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:47:56 EST ID:WNuZWFf6 No.5937798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally nobody in this story comes out looking good. Orleans is a potential rapist, Elvin is a total sleazeball, all the journalists seem sloppy as fuck and she is a fucking lunatic that cares more about Elgin sending her mean DMs than the she does about getting justice for someone trying to rape her.
Justin Credible - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:49:30 EST ID:ERITg3yy No.5937800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Of course Dave Meltzer would protect Michael Elgin, Meltzer has raped joshi stars, and he protected Mick Foley from his rape scandal which is yet to come clear even though it's 100% obvious but as long as Foley has corporate money and multiple coverups it's never gonna come fully clear.

And you call this man a creditable journalist, he is nothing more than an autist living in his mother's basement paid by Dana White to put over his men in tights hugging on the ground shit.
Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:50:30 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5937802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nothing to do with the assault, more about the level of trust she assumed in Elgin.

She knew he was married, she chose to have an affair with him, she seemed to express surprise that he would want to continue having casual sex even after she started seeing someone else. And he was her trainer.

I feel like there's enough red flags with sleeping with your married trainer; you shouldn't expect them to always look out for you if they're proving they'll cross lines they shouldn't cross. Why put your faith in that type of person?

A relationship with Elgin is built on lying to his wife. What kind of guy do you think he'll ultimately turn out to be?
A.J. Styles - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:51:41 EST ID:TEoE/Rwh No.5937804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Imagine how stupid the owner of that shelter must be for hiring her, or how stupid they must be for not firing her over sending the people she cares for such an awful message such as not going to the police when she was apparently assaulted.
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:54:11 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5937807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
to get all the information about this you'd have to speak to like 10 different people, 6 different peoples tweets of screencapped messages and piece together all that info into a believable recounting of the sexual assault events and what followed, this isn't the job of a fucking wrestling reporter it's the job of the police. He's not gonna potentially slander a relatively big name in wrestling with accusations as big as this with the lack of evidence the woman seems to be expecting him to
Johnny Curtis - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:56:08 EST ID:llgKCyfW No.5937808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this reminds me of the story a year or two ago about honma's girl saying he abused her or whatever. she tried selling it to all of the news stations in japan, but they all decided she was untrustworthy and none of them ran her stories

this girl seems like she's just out for revenge and wants to cut elgin and this orleans guy down into nobodies, especially since she didn't want bix to report it on and just blast them on twitter. more digging should be done of course but she doesn't seem to have much credibility
Kaito Kiyomiya - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:59:45 EST ID:qWFUkJ7J No.5937812 Ignore Report Quick Reply

The first post says the dude is some ex-lawyer or used to work with a lawyer firm. So it's clearly not Meltzer.

She thought his board was plebbit too.

I feel like yea, there was some shit, but I kinda thought it was sketchy that she didn't go to the police. Like that should have been the first fucking thing she did. Even if she didn't want to go to the police, hospitals do rape kits as well. Go to the hospital. One of the screencaps from Elgin even mentioned that Elgin would help her get in touch to press charges and help with a possible rape kit and anything else that he needed.

Like yea Elgin is a piece of shit for cheating on his wife, which he admitted to in the e-mails between him and the person running the tumblr page. Some of those caps on that tumblr are pretty damning.

But Meltzer and that PW Sheet dude both fucked up. The first thing that they teach you in any sort of Journalism class at any level is to get everyone involved and get their sides of the story, because every story has at least two sides. Meltzer is running very close to the line of his reporting on this being a case of libel, which is a huge no-no in any sort of job, not just journalism.

I do think, after reading this new shit, that Mo just wanted some sort of social media smackdown on Elgin and that's it. It's very obvious that after all this shit is settled, Elgin needs to get some sort of protection suit, because she comes off in some of those caps as the type of woman who would do something pretty terrible.

Elgin came off as wanting to work with her to get people kicked out and get people fired during different things she mentions (like a worker hitting on a 16 year old girl). She never provides any proof to him when he asks for it so he can look into it.

She came off looking like she just wanted to make Elgin look like a piece of shit because he didn't do anything about people chanting and "looking at her."

Elgin is a piece of shit because it takes 2 for an affair to work.

Meltzer looks like a piece of shit for using a tumblr of all fucking things as a source.

I do think that Mo was gonna try to ride this out though for follows and "social media fame" on twitter. She is already back to taking lewd pics and whatnot. If you were unhappy with yourself and can't show affection and whatnot, then how are you taking scantly clad photos on your page? Like go you for being cool with your body, but don't say one thing and then do a total 180 less than a week later.

I'm not gonna sit here and pick sides, because tbh everyone fucked up in some way or another.
One Man Gang - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:01:52 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5937814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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thanks for telling us guys
Kaito Kiyomiya - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:02:18 EST ID:qWFUkJ7J No.5937815 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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it is pretty obvious that she wanted to cut both down.

pic related
Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:05:26 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5937817 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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no answer to this yet
Shark Girl - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:06:13 EST ID:szAGjBCt No.5937818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
regardless of who you believe in this I would hope we can all at least admit that It's not unreasonable to expect better of "wrestling's top journalist" than only talking to one party in a major story and linking to rando tumblrs as proof. If this is the level of journalism he can bring to the table on something like this he would better off just ignoring it entirely.
Lance Cade - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:06:37 EST ID:vr6pCYET No.5937819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>She thought his board was plebbit too.
oh this just gets better
I hope she blames a cartoon frog and the hacker known as four chan after this
Kaito Kiyomiya - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:07 EST ID:qWFUkJ7J No.5937821 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Chuck Palumbo - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:11:39 EST ID:zwoGFhDe No.5937822 Report Quick Reply
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kind of a shame people are gung ho about everyone but the actual rapist, like lets get that motherfucker and get law enforcement involved and shit

also what >>5937796 said to a different point

this shit is so tiring
Advocatus Diaboli - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:12:21 EST ID:RM6zImkF No.5937823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meltz didn't want to engage in the public crucifixion of a wrestler over charges which have not been proven in the court of law. I'm one of those woke SJWs, a dirty filthy commie in fact, and nothing Dave has done has signaled anything to me other than him taking a cautious approach to accusations of sexual assault.

That's fine. In fact, that's potentially a very good thing. We have, in this country, a legal principle: "innocent until proven guilty". That means guilty people might go free, but innocent people aren't being locked up (ideally). The presumption of innocence saves the innocent from being treated like the guilty. This is expressed more dramatically in Blackstone's formulation: "it's better for ten guilty men to go free than one innocent person be imprisoned".

I don't believe in going to the cops either, but I'm not going to pretend that there's recourse or justice outside of it (other than, maybe, restorative justice, i.e., through mediation and/or arbitration with the goal of reparations in mind, which maybe she ought to consider going through with Elgin). If you want to say FTP, I support you, I say it too, but refusing to go through the proper legal channels that our society created for this very fucking reason and then engaging in a spiteful public laceration of people only tangentially involved (who didn't take you seriously for the reasons described above) is the height of irrationality.

Meltzer acted out of an abundance of caution. He didn't want to engage in a call out without sufficient evidence of wrongdoing, potentially burn bridges, or become the public mouthpiece of a no-name wrestler whose claim to fame right now is the fact that she accused someone of rape and someone else of covering it up. If she wanted to keep her head down, and avoid public scrutiny, well, she's done probably the worst job of that that she could have.
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:14:28 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5937824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's unreasonable to expect a wrestling journalist at all should have to piece all this silly shit together to decree who is or isn't to be blamed. But yeah what he has written is inadequate, either report it fully or not at all but then doing that would lead to the usual suspects constantly shitting on him
Damien Demento - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:15:09 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5937826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yep, right on schedule
Drew Carey - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:20:27 EST ID:WkXpIYeQ No.5937828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fuckin this. seems like everybody BUT the dude who assaulted her is getting shit on...fucking hell. man I feel bad for MsChif
Damien Demento - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:24:27 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5937829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I remember hearing Sean Orleans is planning to countersue Mo Malone. This shit is far from over.
Shark Girl - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:24:35 EST ID:szAGjBCt No.5937830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
big issue I have is there's a difference between not wanting to call out an accused party and attempting to undermine the credibility of an accuser, which is what he's doing with actions like linking to that tumblr. That's a much more malicious move in my eyes than just not wanting to go after Elgin
Kaito Kiyomiya - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:26:24 EST ID:qWFUkJ7J No.5937832 Ignore Report Quick Reply

apparently he had some protective suit out against mo too that got thrown out or some shit. this is according to that tumblr page, so take it with what you will
Drew Carey - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:30:06 EST ID:WkXpIYeQ No.5937833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I makes me think of the whole Decapitated thing, for context basically a polish band was accused of rape and kidnapping b some woman (who had filed false claims to the police before) and all 4 of the band members have been in jail for a couple months up until like last week. turns out the bruises on her wrist the 5-0 said were consistent with a struggle are also consistent with being in a mosh pit.
Damien Demento - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:31:25 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5937836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People are just discussing this and sharing their opinions. Don't post like that, you fell flat on your face trying to seem smart. Nb.
Bertha Faye - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:32:18 EST ID:dP3kX961 No.5937837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, I get you, some real bad judgment. Real bad.
Advocatus Diaboli - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:38:01 EST ID:RM6zImkF No.5937840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, that's definitely shitty on his part. I see that as him explaining why he has doubt but he doesn't really need to engage with this further than "this story seems fishy and I don't feel comfortable reporting on it". He probably owes Mo an apology for that at least.
Drew Carey - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:45:35 EST ID:WkXpIYeQ No.5937847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
was there any effort on Mo's part to go to Dave and give her side?
Xavier Woods - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:55:47 EST ID:ZKUzQR7J No.5937855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>A relationship with Elgin is built on lying to his wife. What kind of guy do you think he'll ultimately turn out to be?
It's pretty amazing how stupid people are when they're in that sort of situation. "He's cheating on his wife, but surely I can trust him!" I thought the same when Paige and Del Rio were having their problems. Obviously a relationship between two untrustworthy people is gonna have some bad ends to it.
Vladimir Kozlov - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:15:58 EST ID:7n8r01sQ No.5937863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the problem with the situation is that Mo's a headcase and a ring rat, so she pretty much gets written off constantly because of the typical "lol women are whores" shit on the internet. It seems pretty apparent that something she wasn't cool with happened between her and Orleans, and Elgin definitely did not handle that situation well at all (in addition to him cheating on his wife with a kid at home, which makes him an irredeemable piece of shit scumbag). The argument about "but no police tho" is flimsy since shock and confusion after a traumatic event can really fuck with your decision-making abilities. Just because she didn't go immediately to the police to have a cop dab her cervix with a swab doesn't mean rape or sexual assault didn't happen, so stop getting hung up on that specific thing.

It's a shitty story all around, and it appears Dave's close ties to the business have fucked with his usual solid reporting skills. This really seems like to me that Elgin has been a source of his for ROH and NJPW news and the conflict of interest is causing him to actively work towards trying to clear Elgin's reputation instead of just reporting on a developing story.
Drew Carey - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:21:04 EST ID:WkXpIYeQ No.5937868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im just trying to figure out if elgin actually DID anything aside from be a scumbag. im reading this speak out article and the interviewer touches on Orleans for a paragraph and the course of the interview goes RIGHT back to shitting on Elgin. Why isn't she going harder on Orleans? cuz hes not famous? im really confused
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:25:43 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5937873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The argument about "but no police tho" is flimsy since shock and confusion after a traumatic event can really fuck with your decision-making abilities.
It was almost half a year from when it happened and when she made it public, she was messaging those involved constantly and still going to shows in that time frame and was very set on getting Elgin to get rid of Orleans based on nothing
PX !HxLt3eoqWY - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:27:08 EST ID:Tnwu0Kf1 No.5937875 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Dave reports on wrestling and MMA, I don't think he's really an investigative journalist that would cover an intricate and complex story like this. This strikes me as the kind of story one journalist would dedicate to tracking down full time, and Meltz just isn't gonna do that. He has his take, he might be wrong, but who fuckin knows.
Stone Cold Steve Austin - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:30:08 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5937879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why isn't she going harder on Orleans?
Presumably because he hasn't been having any back and forths with her on messenger.
Vladimir Kozlov - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:34:03 EST ID:7n8r01sQ No.5937884 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Elgin didn't rape or sexually assault her. I think that seems to be a point of confusion here and elsewhere how people are trying to tie Elgin to the story. The issue with Elgin was, in addition to the extramarital affair ,was him constantly dismissing her and insulting her while in the same sentence asking her if she was gonna get on his dick or not because she was basically his side ho and he really didn't care nor want to get into whatever happened between her and Orleans, one of his students/friends. When she kept pressing for him to do something, be empathetic, etc. he seemed to lash out at her (via texts, and possibly phone calls), which again isn't sexual assault or rape, but you typically don't want to play mental chicken with headcases to see if you can call a bluff.


The thing about trauma is that it lingers. I don't really know how to explain it any better if you've never experienced it, but you don't really get to control when that shit comes back to hit you hard. It sounds like she tried to keep on like things were like they were before and something set her off (likely a sour interaction with Elgin) and here we are.
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:38:27 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5937890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So she was so shocked and confused that she didn't go to the police of her own volition, of Elgin telling her to but she happily continued to talk to the perpetrator, the person who wouldn't do anything about it and continue to go to shows that would have both on? That sounds very convenient
Batista - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:42:04 EST ID:U+A/TOl1 No.5937896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm only hoping this leads to us getting rid of Meltzer once and for all. If nothing else I hope this destroys Satin's career.
Damien Demento - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:46:40 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5937898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This won't do shit to Meltzer considering that she seems like a psycho bitch in her own right. Also

>wanting to get rid of Meltzer or any non-WWE wrestling journalism
>being this much of a fool
Wrestling promoters are far too carny to trust even when they win a war over another company.
Also, as much as I don't like Satin, this won't do shit to him either.
Vladimir Kozlov - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:47:19 EST ID:7n8r01sQ No.5937899 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I get the feeling now that you're being facetious. She was in a sexual relationship with Elgin that she didn't want to end, even despite Elgin acting like a piece of shit to her because that's basically the crux of any abusive relationship, physical or verbal. Again, traumatic events really fuck you up and everyone responds different because you don't really get trauma training beforehand. This is just conjecture formed from personal and third-hand experiences, but after trauma when you're not completely shutting down you typically try to carry on like how things were beforehand, which might explain why she kept going to shows and kept trying to prolong her relationship with Elgin while also trying to figure out how to fix the problem Orleans' sexual assault caused.
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:53:08 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5937903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh no I was just humoring you to see how far you'd go with your fanfic, literally right in the OP is an article where she states why she didn't go at the time
Dick Togo - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:53:46 EST ID:OCpI2Gwn No.5937905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Satin has kind of already ruined his reputation by trying to push a S-J-W mindset in his reporting.
For instance, during the whole Paige/Del Rio thing, he was patting himself on the back about he "knew" the relationship was abusive.
I think a lot of people turned away after that and stopped feeding into his view of the business.
I get he learned from TMZ to be controversial and know what to tug at for attention, but in the wrestling world, it just makes him come off as a prick.
KC Cloudy Day - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:59:06 EST ID:7jxkDEW0 No.5937908 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think this is just out of Meltzer's range, he's a sports journalist at the end of the day, this is a very different situation to what he would report usually. People really just want wrestling results, opinions and ratings. Too little or too much coverage he'll be criticised and honestly out of his depth so I'm not surprised he's mentioned it very little.
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:00:33 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5937910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>When she kept pressing for him to do something, be empathetic, etc.
do what exactly? kill him? if he didn't want to get involved he doesn't have to, he's not a cop. If she kept slurping his penis anyways despite the fact he's an asshole and did not want to help her with her alleged rapist then iduno what this is, sounds like she's just wasting her time.
Johnny Curtis - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:04:38 EST ID:Wphzkwq4 No.5937912 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah lets take the poor girls side immediately and throw the man under the bus. Jesus What is it with everyone automatically believing a woman when she says she was raped? Do you know how many womrn lie about that shit
A.J. Lee - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:07:28 EST ID:OiZd6b3J No.5937913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cunts who lie about being raped deserve the death penalty and an actual rape before the execution
Meng - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:10:45 EST ID:/h8nHU6M No.5937915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Inshallah my brother, these infidel harlots must suffer!
Winter - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:26:48 EST ID:pXIq8RG6 No.5937935 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Shhhhh.... don’t let them here you say that, or else YOU’LL be next to put to the stake. Remember, rape is a super duper serious matter, women aren’t capable of lying about rape. Only MEN are!

Seriously though, I’m all for supporting and hearing the plight of real rape victims, but this is the society we live in now. Social media has allowed mob mentality to rule.

nb because this thread is awful. /wooo/ is for wrestling, not drama.
Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:28:32 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5937939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Meltz is addressing it
Super Dragon - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:34:52 EST ID:2s72xf/M No.5937947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wishing the only wrestling journo with any integrity was gone
Rain - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:42:44 EST ID:yDxgOVZE No.5937960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestling journalists woefully unqualified to report on real shit shocker
Dick the Bruiser - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:46:19 EST ID:wiPdsHw+ No.5937970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't really care about this shit at all. I want this to end soon so elgin can get back to wrestling.
Vladimir Kozlov - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:52:00 EST ID:7n8r01sQ No.5937980 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Yeah, she says she didn't go out of fear of retaliation, because of, again, trauma.. Quit being such a fucking faggot, you piece of shit.


>do what exactly? kill him?

Whoa, buddy. There's something called "help" that two people that are friends typically go to each other for. I guess you're not familiar with this concept.
Jimmy Rave - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:52:39 EST ID:CpRHQRQe No.5937981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dave is woefully unqualified to report on this sort of thing
Norman Smiley - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:56:27 EST ID:qz36TP7I No.5937989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Same, I don't really give a fuck. Never been a fan of Elgin, but he's an ok worker.
Barbarian - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:01:56 EST ID:UedCOznh No.5937999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If I was a journalist I wouldn’t touch a sexual assault story with a ten foot pole because they’re 99% “he said she said” and that’s not what a journalist should be doing. But then you’ll just be accused of “silencing victims” or whatever and there no escape for a journalist in the year 2018.

Dave shoulda shut up and write another story about some 60s Puro match and let the screeching miss him.
Mr. Aguila - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:02:21 EST ID:oKdwM7CI No.5938000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No matter what did or didn't happen, if her goal was to at the end of the day destroy Elgin's reputation, she seems to've succeeded at it.
Dale Torborg - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:05:53 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5938004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd prefer it if you didn't call me a piece of shit, that is very traumatic
Classy Freddie Blassie - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:09:17 EST ID:zLEB6C/G No.5938010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry kids indy pro wrestling is cancelled the sjws are too triggered
Sirelda - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:11:08 EST ID:RDibsRVE No.5938015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So is it time to call in the man?
Tsukasa Fujimoto - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:13:18 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5938019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
no, /wooo/ can be capable of good discussion around serious wrestling topics, no need to rush to encourage played out shitposting
Val Venis - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:15:49 EST ID:8F56c9Oi No.5938026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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this whole saga is just confusing as fuck.
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:17:01 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
based off what I'm seeing they aren't even that very good friends, just using each other for thighslaps. the concept of "help" is still tremendously vague. He, as we see, clearly wanted nothing to do with it, the alleged rapist is his friend as well. What would have "helped." did she want him to fire him or not utilize him at his shows? did she want her to stop talking to him but since they are friends, fat chance at that? What did she WANT
Barbarian - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:17:09 EST ID:i2L7x/5J No.5938029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean, I don't think this thread needs CIMAposting either, but

>/wooo/ can be capable of good discussion around serious wrestling topics
People on this site can barely have a good discussion about wrestling itself, much less serious wrestling topics.
Sirelda - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:20:00 EST ID:RDibsRVE No.5938032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>/wooo/ can be capable of good discussion around serious wrestling topics
You must be new around here
Curry Man - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:23:16 EST ID:sGiabiVQ No.5938035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Michael Elgin and Mo having sex brings a whole new meaning to the term bumping uglies.
Natalya - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:25:56 EST ID:Q9Y0DPKk No.5938038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>but just for really sloppy journalism on a very big case
>very big case
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:33:50 EST ID:rsYJf5Bj No.5938048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hyatte would have reported it and then given out the ralist's phone number
Just sayin.
Don Muraco - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:39:31 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.5938062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
are you even trying
Don Muraco - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:40:52 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.5938067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>/wooo/ can be capable of good discussion around serious wrestling topics
Dick the Bruiser - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:46:29 EST ID:wiPdsHw+ No.5938080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>no, /wooo/ can be capable of good discussion around serious wrestling topics

how come we never exploit that capability
El Dandy - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:47:55 EST ID:8TmOam78 No.5938084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If I was a journalist I wouldn’t touch a sexual assault story with a ten foot pole because they’re 99% “he said she said”

100% this.

Also, if you don't go to the police, I give zero fucks to your situation. One, because you're afraid to go to the police but you're not afraid of exposing yourself on Social Media, which makes absolutely no sense. Two, because you're letting a sexual assaulter go free and potentially abuse other women.

She didn't go to the police because her story just doesn't add up.

Before replies of "hurr durr incel", I've seen this shit happen for the most retarded reasons. A bar I used to go almost closed because some girls accused the waiters of rape. It was posted on FB, reposted by a lot of college feminist groups, yada yada, you know the drill. The next day, there was a graffiti on the bar's front wall, which read "Here they rape women". Everybody was outraged. Some people asked "well, why don't you go to the police?" (rape cases around here are investigated in secret). A few weeks later, after no police action and almost everybody forgot about it, it turns out the story was actually a hoax. Some girls didn't like how they were treated so they created a story to ruin the bar's reputation. Yes, it was that easy and stupid.
El Oriental - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:03:27 EST ID:SO7aajvJ No.5938107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because twats from other places come here for our streams and want to impose their shitty home board cultures on here and make this place as shitty as theirs. /wooo/ is not the same place it was prior to 2012 and the permanent founding of /wooo/Tube & Taima.tv
Val Venis - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:14:40 EST ID:8F56c9Oi No.5938122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I feel you 100 on this bruh.

I'm live in small university town right now. For the past year two people i know were falsely accused and good friend of my gf's made up this story about being raped when in actuality she just fucked him and was afraid her bf would find out.

But you know what the kicker is? Another really good friend of my gf's (who is a girl) use to DJ at this bar downtown until she was fired. She said it was because the owner was jealous of her "mad skills" when in reality he fired her because she would always get drunk and AGGRESSIVELY feel up the waitresses and i can confirm that was the case because iv'e seen her get drunk and force herself on girls countless times.

But there was never any out cry over her (in fact she got a new gig at the bar literally across the street) or when women lie about it here, its just swept under the rug and ignored like nothing happened.
Sami Callihan - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:18:48 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5938175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i wish mxc tube had become the popular one, then we'd have.... i don't know but it would be different at least
Superstar Billy Graham - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:34:35 EST ID:AAIDlg8a No.5938196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dave takes a lot of shit on his own message board. I'm pretty sure there are people that sign up for the newsletter just so they can use the message board to harass him.
Ric Flair - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:36:37 EST ID:BHAGdAMj No.5938199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what? I'd love if idiots paid me money so they could cry and moan about me on an internet forum.
Cody Rhodes - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:41:59 EST ID:uAltJZWY No.5938205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The irony of people saying Dave won't cover her side of the story is that no-one would cover Elgin's so he decided to make an anonymous Tumblr post about it.
Superstar Billy Graham - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:42:55 EST ID:AAIDlg8a No.5938207 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're right. So what. At least those people have the right to complain, they actually subscribe. Not like the rest of the virtue signalers who see one screen shot on twitter and suddenly know Meltzers entire journalistic history and have read every single newsletter and know what a lying hypocritical piece of shit covering up the rapist michael elgin he is.
Virgil - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:49:37 EST ID:sGiabiVQ No.5938216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The tumblr post is a legitimate source. It clearly shows how full of shit the girl is.
Obariyon - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:51:13 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5938217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
only things tumblr is a legit source for is pusheen and porn
Terry Taylor - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:54:16 EST ID:szAGjBCt No.5938220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
"the tumblr post is a legitimate source" is never a correct statement, especially if you're supposed to be a journalist
Kaz Hayashi - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:12:31 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.5938238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>legitimate source
Jim Powers - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:21:59 EST ID:1pm5my1Q No.5938245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What a fucking mess.

I'm not going to elaborate on Mo or Elgin only that both have fucked this up in many ways.

But one thing is for sure: Dave Meltzer FUCKED THIS THING UP. Going on a very public forum and posting a tumblr made an anonymous person as if it holds water to the situation is just busch league and wrong. If he really had reported on this situation first and then pulled this shit he'd be fucked six ways from Sunday. Try harder, Dave.
Superstar Billy Graham - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:22:55 EST ID:AAIDlg8a No.5938246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except it's a private forum.
David Lagana - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:42:11 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5938259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>on the internet

dave has routinely dealt with his forum comments being brought up publicly. he would know his audience was going to be bigger than just chose to get behind the paywall
Jim Powers - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:53:00 EST ID:1pm5my1Q No.5938265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
See here's the thing....see that pic in OP above?

Private indeed. Twit.
Rey Bucanero - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:53:17 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5938266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How? Not even the guy who would most take advantage of shit like this bix has reported on it , the few people who did cover this have the opposite problem of not covering Elgins side

Funnily enough the OP contains links to a tumblr of messages which holds as much veracity as the other ones, Links to the twitter of Les Moore, pretty much the equivalent of rovert in which he lives to just shit on Meltzer but much harsher and a tweet by Bix that acknowledges the weirdness of this whole thing

Even pretending that he did or didn't do as much as everyone else nothing will come of this, it's twitter beef under the guise of a sexual assault allegation of which the Victim barely gives a fuck about anymore
Rosie Lottalove - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:58:02 EST ID:wiPdsHw+ No.5938268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
THere is no way to cover something like this, both sides will tell a story and both will take advantage of the situation whenever it turns to their side.
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:25:47 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It seems like to me Dave has stated his opinion in private(public) that he doesn't believe her, which would be his opinion.

Did Dave write an article/piece in an article outright claiming that she is lying, and then publish it? If he did, that would be a problem (if he was wrong.) If he didn't, then really who cares. If you want to disregard his opinion as a bad one go ahead but there isn't much else you can do about it. If anything whoever runs/put up that tumblr would be the one that would be more liable than Dave
Superstar Billy Graham - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:28:06 EST ID:AAIDlg8a No.5938290 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Private indeed. Twit.

Go make try and make an account and read it then. Just because people leak screenshots from it, does not redefine the term "private", as in you need to subscribe in order to access it. Twit.
Superstar Billy Graham - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:31:23 EST ID:AAIDlg8a No.5938292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's the thing. The girl claims that Meltzer has "reported" the story at least 3 times, which is false. He's written one story about it, the crux of which "at this point it is he said/she said" and that it wasn't his place to speculate on an alleged crime in which the victim didn't feel the need to go to the police.

People inferred that to mean "Dave is covering for Elgin"
Rey Bucanero - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:34:56 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5938295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Of the observers I have which are the 4th, 11th and 18th the only non result mention of elgin is him quoting his first apology and writing this from the 11th

The wrestler in question was no longer being used by Glory Pro as of 11/16. The fan, who used a fake name on twitter, made the accusation public, claimed she was sexually assaulted in March, told Elgin at that time, the story broke in midNovember and the wrestler stopped being used. Evidently Elgin made comments to another fan who was friends with the wrestler, who also goes by a fake name on twitter, and in doing so, said some things negative about the woman, which led to him being attacked on twitter. Elgin later said that his reaction to what happened was abhorrent, and what he said in the conversation and language he used was a big mistake. Elgin has been pulled off at least a few independent dates by promoters due to this controversy. There’s a lot of questions going on regarding New Japan as well, which has been his main job for the last few years

He may have mentioned it before but I don't remember him ever bringing it up in the radios before that week, what they may be referring to is I believe one radio where he didn't take it seriously enough? That's about it really
Rorschach - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:41:02 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5938297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I know I shouldn't ask, but how are people still so dumb? This is like that CM Punk story all over again

>low tier dirtsheet sites blatantly lie about what he said

Did this shit happen when Bret Hart was rumored to be HBK's tag team partner in that Backlash tag team match? (The one where he was supposedly going to replace "God")
Jim Powers - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:47:40 EST ID:1pm5my1Q No.5938298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Point remains. The whole internet can see it thanks to the screenshot. Even though the forum is "private" everyone still sees it. Your logic is moot.

For your sake I'll not point out your mental deficiencies much further. Fuckwit.
Justice - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:47:52 EST ID:di77yocd No.5938299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>some little skank wants her 15 minutes and to "be discovered"
>notices the hot new "accusations are the same as guilty verdicts and easy meal tickets" meme is on fire right now
>sees a chance to exploit it and goes for it
>saps lap it up for the chance to get approval on the internet because of how much of an "understanding" "ally" to "victims" of "sexual" "assault" are

yet another fraud cheapening the plight of legitimate victims and making it even harder for them to mend and gain justice, all so she can try to get some more bingo hall money. what a morally repugnant pig-bitch.
Rey Bucanero - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:50:26 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5938301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
my being on private property doesn't suddenly make it public just like somebody linking a literal image from a private forum doesn't make it public. If you're not a member of XWT and i upload a torrent outside of there for you, XWT doesn't suddenly become a public site, your original claim is objectively wrong but i get what you're trying to say
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:52:35 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So basically, nothing.
Dave seemingly having the opinion, via that tumblr link, that he may not believe her may be offputting to others and that's fine. If you don't want to like Dave anymore because he may believe her, it is what it is.
Yet Dave has not published anything as fact outright claiming that this woman is factually lying

Maybe this is Dave's way of saying that there is so much bullshit in all of this, that he doesn't want to further investigate it. After all he isn't a cop either, he isn't obligated to run with a "story" if he doesn't want to. Right now this whole thing indeed seems like "he said she said" and nobody can prove anything.
There is no story to this after all, nobody can prove anything.
Superstar Billy Graham - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:55:26 EST ID:AAIDlg8a No.5938304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My point also remains. It's a single screenshot from a private forum that people are discussing. I'd wager dollars to donuts that 90% of people commenting on this issue across the internet and bashing Dave have never actually read a newsletter, let alone the private message board for subscribers only. It's a kneejerk reaction but that is more a problem across all social media and is not exclusive to this story.

>For your sake I'll not point out your mental deficiencies much further. Fuckwit.

Not appreciating this hostility. This is 420chan, try and make your point without resulting to personal insults and harsh vibes.
Rey Bucanero - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:07:31 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5938306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
listening to the radio I mentioned pretty much all he says i it's really too early to say much but that it's weird he's getting the most heat over the actual perpetrator, that's it really, it's like 3 minutes of him umming and ahhing making sure he doesn't say much and commenting on the indie booking losses and potential loss of going to New Japan
Stevie Richards - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:16:28 EST ID:pXIq8RG6 No.5938311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>try and make your point without resulting to personal insults and harsh vibes.

... where do you think we are..?
Misutero - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:20:21 EST ID:JYzC2Qyd No.5938313 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Never. Ever. Ever. Stick your dick in crazy. Sorry that's my only contribution to this thread, but after looking at her account and what she posts, it's basically nothing but massive red flags that anyone should be able to see.
Danny Doring - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:24:00 EST ID:KC+6mBhB No.5938314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Expecting social nuance from the most autistic man in wrestling

I don't want Dave to cover this type of thing in depth and he probably knows that if he writes anything that can be construed as taking the other side he'll be killed by wrestling twitter. So him only touching this with a 10 foot pole with regards to his actual reporting (newsletters/radio) is probably smart. I'm pretty sure Dave is incapable of reporting on this with nuance and so it's probably smart of him not to contact the woman as he'd probably ask an inapproriate question and get killed for it when she posts the dm's.

Having said all that he's a dumbass for that forum post and probably should apologise and explain what he was doing there. But also remember it's a forum post, not him actually passing a tumblr post off as news in his newsletter. Dave spends too much time posting online and he was bound to post something dumb eventually. He probably got the autism rage when people were blasting his credibility as a journalist and posted that as a fuck you or something without thinking how it reflects on him.
Obariyon - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:50:10 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5938322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yeah this, isn't Big Daddy Meltz fresh off misunderstanding the idea that a wrassle story can be framed as a Tragedy (the style of drama) thinking that it was meant like tragedy (a real life bad thing where a bunch of people die or something)
mad respect for the dude but yeah you'd kinda have to be on some tisms to be the self-made wrestling historian/gossip writer/reviewer
Misutero - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:00:46 EST ID:/zVDEc/y No.5938325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>> but I have not seen her express any remorse or take responsibility for what this mean for Mike's wife and child. It takes two people to cheat.

I agree on that last sentence but i mean if you have a wife and kid then imo it's more on you for taking that risk. like yeah agreeing to it isn't okay but i'm honestly more sympathetic towards the side that didn't have a family to take care of before shenanigans started. They had less responsibilities.
Elix Skipper - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:05:36 EST ID:apOGlthw No.5938328 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>tumblrina drama is not only allowed but allowed to have by far the busiest thread on this dead board
nu-wooo and nu-moderation was such a mistake
xthreedx - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:36:48 EST ID:D7WHSlcT No.5938342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Velvet Sky - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:53:24 EST ID:06TpZgMC No.5938348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Those account names.
Aldo Montoya - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:53:26 EST ID:b5EShYXU No.5938349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'm pretty sure Dave is incapable of reporting on this with nuance and so it's probably smart of him not to contact the woman as he'd probably ask an inapproriate question and get killed for it when she posts the dm's.

And if you need proof, just listen to the clip of Meltzer asking Jimmy Korderas about Owen Hart's death in the dirtsheet thread, because holy shit he just doesn't know how to ask a sensitive question
Leia Meow - Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:57:33 EST ID:8TmOam78 No.5938353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>that tweet and those replies
Jolly Roger - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:09:28 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5938359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so i feel like i'm missing a bit in here, but did dave actually report on any of this?
all i could find is a couple candid comments but not an actual report
i understand the unprofessional looking view point but if was just candid comments about skepticism vs an actual report, it changes my scope on this whole thing entirely
Rey Bucanero - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:14:57 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5938363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally not even a day ago she thought his forum was circlejerk but apparently she knows exactly what he's said?
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:21:52 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938364 Ignore Report Quick Reply
say whatever you want about her reasons/excuses for not going to the police and/or doing the rape kit thing, but the fact is she didn't do it.

what else does she have? Does she have witnesses that corroborate her claim in any fashion, like she and Orleans were spotted together at that night? Does she have a picture or video footage? Like did they go to a bar, can she get security footage from that bar that shows them together on the night?

What else does she have other than her just saying it happened. Again say what you will about why she didn't go to the police, but her not going to the police has put a significant detriment into her own claim simply based off the fact that she hasn't provided another plausible clue/proof.
Go Shiozaki - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:25:35 EST ID:QPec61ig No.5938367 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Leave Uncle Dave alone.
Stevie Richards - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:04:37 EST ID:pXIq8RG6 No.5938403 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I dont think you understand how cases like this work. She doesn’t need proof. All she needs to do is say he did it.
Nikki Bella - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 02:36:00 EST ID:L8HzJTCa No.5938410 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Meltz responded and offered to talk about it. Her reply was to say no.

Rape is a fucking serious accusation, and I'm totally down for lynching actual rapists. This chick is setting off EVERY bullshit alarm possible, however.

Also, major LOL at the white knights tweeting Dave about how bad he's hurt them over this. WTF dudes?
Dave Taylor - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:11:28 EST ID:RDibsRVE No.5938422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, this is getting suspicious now and the more she goes on, the more she is killing her own credibility
Bo Rotundo - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:26:19 EST ID:7oUGSmY2 No.5938424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's actually completely untrue, sexual assault cases without physical evidence are pretty much dead in the water, which makes false accusations even more sickening as the time spent investigating them could be put to more use helping people who actually have been assaulted and whose cases are incredibly difficult to prove.
What a false accusation also achieves is the complete destruction of the supposed perpetrator's professional and personal lives.
'Crying Rape' is despicable, deplorable and those who do it should be hit with the full weight of the law. Subsequently, anybody under suspicion of making a false accusation needs to be treated very carefully, dismissal of these things may also have serious repercussions .
This whole thing is a shit storm and really needs to go away.
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:40:49 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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cmon guy he was clearly messing with me, and now you. Unless you are now working me into this response.

I knew exactly what he was doing, and now you do too
Ed Ferrara - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:50:33 EST ID:QT4suo9Z No.5938438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
idk how people can feel hurt so easily
then again tvtropes' "nightmare fuel" page exists.
Matt Classic - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 06:12:46 EST ID:yMVaIUGY No.5938475 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean, I guess? Does he have a responsibility to report on it? If he's going to do it, yeah, be thorough and professional. But if there's no real story to write besides "he said, she said" and the investigation's going nowhere, is there really much to say? We've had a lot of horrible wrestlers that have had their shit dealings with women exposed in detail, including Swann most recently, so I don't think it's some kind of inherent boys club mentality.

In the end, as shitty as it is, journalism - particularly niche journalism - is a business driven by consumer demand. If a ton of people wanted the story, there would be a story. But it's not a very interesting story that only tangentially features a sort-of famous guy and doesn't really have a lot going for it besides "a literal who maybe tried to rape another literal who, and this actually relevant guy wrote something in a message afterwards". If there a least was a story there, we might've heard more, but it's the most nothing wrestling scandal I've heard in a long time.

Should it be reported more extensively? Maybe. Was it handled poorly? Yeah, I'd say so. Does this mean nobody in wrestling cares about rape? Of course not.
Masaaki Mochizuki - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:30:48 EST ID:hj11i0MX No.5938497 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Well, he does have a massive hard-on for NJPW that borders on bias...
JV Rich - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 08:42:57 EST ID:EJ1v9FXH No.5938531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Reigns vs. Owens (Royal Rumble) - 4.5 snowflakes
>Cena vs. Styles (Royal Rumble) - 4.75 snowflakes
>Reigns vs. Cena (No Mercy) - 4.25 snowflakes

But sure, it's New Japan that gets overrated.
Madusa - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:19:57 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.5938548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Antifa del Norte

I too was 12 at some point
Obariyon - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:24:05 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5938555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think that fag's come up here before.
I thought it was funny he shares a name with AAA's answer to the 3MB
Rorschach - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:38:52 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5938563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I might have posted a screencap of his twitter on the social media thread
Rorschach - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:45:56 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5938565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A place where you can get banned for being a shitposting dipshit? Where do YOU think you are? This isn't /a sp/, cowboy.
Shane Douglas - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 09:54:44 EST ID:K+3Brnfg No.5938571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jimmy was fine talking about the topic and I'm pretty sure you are the autistic one if you are getting mad over that. The same thread you mentioned has a way more reasonable take on that than yours.
Dutch Mantel - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:06:22 EST ID:kDVCwzPz No.5938587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
These bitches gonna turn Meltz alt-lright
John Morrison - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:19:58 EST ID:po+qYTtV No.5938590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>picking a fight with Mad Money Meltz....

God help her if this picks up stream on /asp/ or something
John Morrison - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:20:41 EST ID:po+qYTtV No.5938591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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John Morrison - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:21:48 EST ID:po+qYTtV No.5938593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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xthreedx - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:23:14 EST ID:D7WHSlcT No.5938595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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If I was Meltzer I would not touch her either
Berlyn - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:23:53 EST ID:0Fzp/jvN No.5938596 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Why is she so fucking edgy
John Morrison - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:24:23 EST ID:po+qYTtV No.5938597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Madusa - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:34:32 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.5938600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
She didn't go to the police because she's lying.

Obariyon - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:35:19 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5938602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>human dumpster fire
well, I guess there's truth in advertising laws to look out for
Giant Baba - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:51:44 EST ID:09h3Cka0 No.5938612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeeeeah, for some reason, and I can't pinpoint exactly what it is, but I don't judge her to be all that credible of a person.
Abdullah the Butcher - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:19:13 EST ID:mfPOI8l2 No.5938615 Ignore Report Quick Reply

It’s kinda hard to take allegations of sexual misconduct and objectification seriously when your social media profile describes you as “human dumpster fire, big tits, recovering junkie, shit personality, porn”

What a fucking mess
Dean Malenko - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:03:46 EST ID:qBN6Rx+i No.5938645 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Im sick & going back to sleep wtf is this bitch on
Rosie Lottalove - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:30:48 EST ID:zw7US0nW No.5938658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
rat is a hell of a drug
Dasher Hatfield - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:23:09 EST ID:kGBb5YUu No.5938712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doubt it. He dedicated much of the WOR post-election cutting a promo on and he has ripped into Wussowh for homophobia.

He's probably center-left but considering his age and the business he works on covering he's progressive.
Brodie Lee - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:35:30 EST ID:ceGvUStp No.5938724 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In your dreams. Meltz detests far right fucks like Tump.
Ebessan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:08:19 EST ID:z8Y24R+e No.5938755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Primo - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:14:29 EST ID:75ufs0XI No.5938765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh who gives a shit. Everyone rapes, but just because the guy is mildly famous he gets torn apart.
Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:16:20 EST ID:gLVM35W0 No.5938769 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>Everyone rapes

I can't help but feel you're trying to justify your own bad things you've done.
Primo - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:18:35 EST ID:75ufs0XI No.5938770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Try and leave your house once in awhile.
Rizokahn - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:18:35 EST ID:n5o9wzab No.5938771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's right. I once got raped by someone who got raped by the person I was raping at the same time.

It was the second worst day at summer camp.
Brodus Clay - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:20:39 EST ID:4cxhBa2q No.5938772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Everyone rapes
Rosie Lottalove - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:35:31 EST ID:zw7US0nW No.5938785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>everybody rapes
I love that REM song
Paul London - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:36:15 EST ID:uKUA3hBn No.5938787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Everyone rapes
No, they don't. Are you a mental?
Madusa - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:37:33 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.5938792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stop feeding the retard nb
Owen Fart - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:38:36 EST ID:zwoGFhDe No.5938797 Report Quick Reply
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What an incredibly shitty person you must be. Get some help, brother.
Bret Hart - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:45:29 EST ID:9CTGIug+ No.5938804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Everybody rapes
I dunno, you certainly haven't raped, doesn't even sound like you've had sex
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:57:55 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
everyone is reaction chaining your first statement, but this is equally as comically absurd.
leave our houses and go outside? to the park? in the bushes?
Dragonfly - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:00:56 EST ID:bMIOqUtD No.5938812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
to rape, obviously
Sami Callihan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:04:46 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5938814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>in the bush
lets go
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:08:00 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5938820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ya know what, fuck it.
Tursas - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:10:27 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5938824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is that really Liger?
For what purpose?
Sami Callihan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:18:26 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5938834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Is that really Liger?
>For what purpose?
Dasher Hatfield - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:24:55 EST ID:kGBb5YUu No.5938843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This guy is the luckiest fucker alive right now. His sub count is gonna go through he fucking roof.
Dasher Hatfield - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:26:27 EST ID:kGBb5YUu No.5938845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Forgot pic
Bret Hart - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:33:20 EST ID:9CTGIug+ No.5938849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude's well known to be a total perv.
Daniel Bryan - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:41:08 EST ID:qpB7mOMV No.5938853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What a mess this entire thing is.
Obariyon - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:51:59 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5938859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it seems the "lol I'm covering my butt or dong with a plate" dance thing is kind of a thing in Japan for drunken zany fun
it pops up in that Gundam-san gag anime off the top of my head, and I think I've seen it in some other "and then everybody was drunk af at the party" type scenes.
Lance Bravado - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 21:42:37 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5939053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
/ 私たちの男 /
Tori - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:24:31 EST ID:GFM38SPC No.5939080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Everybody Rapes

Sometimes everything is wrong
Now it's time to sing along
Chavo Guerrero - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:48:36 EST ID:NzPxwPs2 No.5939090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is like those people trying to defend Hogan by saying "Everyone talks like this in private" except way worse. You are really just exposing yourself.
A.J. Styles - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:57:02 EST ID:TEoE/Rwh No.5939095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can smell the daddy issues from here.
Colonel Ninotchka - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:00:20 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5939096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When all day you nut alone
King RIKI - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:05:47 EST ID:/I6QpOie No.5939104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Everyone rapes
I don't suppose you're one of those types that believes that all male-on-female penetrative sex is categorically rape because of irreconcilable differences in the male/female power structure inherent in society, are you?
Sangriento - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:17:34 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5939112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Everyone rapes
I think you mean 'poops'.
Call-Me-Kevin - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:28:59 EST ID:tl0Yqoil No.5939122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you feel like getting off
Maryse - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:38:07 EST ID:69p5aYfk No.5939131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Everyone rapes
Excuse me gentlemen.
Dr. Wagner Jr. - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:47:05 EST ID:Aj2H5syt No.5939133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Everyone rapes
Cactus Jack - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 00:17:08 EST ID:FZALZpTn No.5939147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anatomically modern humans are at least 200,000 years old, and evolved for millions of years before that.
Human mating rituals existed for virtually that entire time unchanging.
Why is it, in the last 100 years, we are expected to completely jettison millions of years of ingrained instinctual behavior patterns overnight?
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 00:36:33 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5939152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Bobby Eaton - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 00:39:11 EST ID:EJ1v9FXH No.5939154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When's the last time you killed your own meat with a club?
Wifebeater - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:02:04 EST ID:xU2HBdj6 No.5939162 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Rosa Mendes - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:14:30 EST ID:t9umN0av No.5939164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You have
small penis
compared to
massive gouvernor
Wifebeater - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:17:15 EST ID:xU2HBdj6 No.5939166 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Day Ruiner Ryan Braddock - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 01:23:35 EST ID:i2L7x/5J No.5939169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rhino - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:45:54 EST ID:Aj2H5syt No.5939630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As far as im concerned, shes not a victim and hes not a rapist until hes convicted in court. Sick of the witch hunts and false allegations
Bully Ray - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:38:21 EST ID:GFM38SPC No.5939655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everybody rapes......

Tokyo Magnum - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:39:03 EST ID:gxuEhnX7 No.5939656 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'm sure Mo is very sorry that her traumatic assault is mildly inconveniencing you to the point of grumpily posting in a thread about it. You poor little soul. I hope you're okay.
Curt Hawkins - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:45:27 EST ID:eqUUudf7 No.5939661 Ignore Report Quick Reply

michael stipe lowkey dapper as hell
Zack Ryder - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:13:30 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5939678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nothin lowkey about it just dapper
Rhino - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:26:06 EST ID:Aj2H5syt No.5939684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'm sure Mo is very sorry that her traumatic assault

alleged traumatic assault
Emi Fujino - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:42:08 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5939691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so traumatic the entire focus of that interview she did is Elgin simply being mean to her :(
Taz - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:11:57 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5939708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Greg Iron - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 23:34:47 EST ID:f4uaoJYm No.5939735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The kneejerk defense of Meltzer is both predictable and gross. Put down your fan boys goggles for one second and consider the possibility he's just another cog in the machine that is the pro wrestling industry and its tendency to be a good ol' boy's club, even at the expense of female talent. That's what this reeks of. It reeks of all these guys, Metlzer included, covering for someone and looking for any reason to discredit a victim. It's gross and just because Meltzer calls out the industry from time-to-time, doesn't mean he isn't also part of why it's a gross industry. This thread is a shining example of why women are afraid to come out with their stories. Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves for contributing to this.
Zack Ryder - Sun, 14 Jan 2018 23:58:19 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5939746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
in the usa you're innocent until proven guilty.
Jaki Numazawa - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:03:16 EST ID:sRZdTF6P No.5939747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
innocent until proven guilty?
come on guys its 2018 women will never lie you sexist pigs
The Maestro - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:52:34 EST ID:iBcKvxX5 No.5939751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nice of you to follow this story so closely.
Lady Apache - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 03:23:56 EST ID:zV9w9yaO No.5939774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The fact that you honestly think Dave Meltzer would stand to gain anything by “protecting the business” by sweeping a story like this under the rug, then why would his hill to die on be for Michael fuckin Elgin? Who, and without downplaying the significance of the *alleged* act, is incredibly fucking mild in the scope of terrible human beings in wrestling; which have included domestic abusers, rapists, murderers, contraband trafficers, racists, bigots and all around disgraceful human beings. All of which Dave has reported on and discussed candidly in one way or another. To claim that Dave is just sweeping this under the rug is absured. Now if you want to say he made a significant error in this instance, I would agree. The guy fucked up, and I like Dave. Bottom line, this is probably just a troll post, because it seriously reads like a laundry list of tumblr buzzwords, but if it isn’t, go the fuck back there.

No bump because fuck this thread.
Tokyo Magnum - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 03:25:32 EST ID:gxuEhnX7 No.5939777 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Real world isn't a court of law, people are perfectly entitled to make decisions based on admittedly outdated concepts such as thoughts that they have with their brains and their own opinions on situations. Shame :)
Daivari - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 04:08:54 EST ID:TjWF5hbT No.5939779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you raped Mo. Good luck getting out of this one sweetie ;)
She Nay Nay - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 09:36:07 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5939875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Meltz is responding to Mo's Twitter allies and they're posting screencaps of the emails
Booker T - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 09:43:54 EST ID:MbMFdgxt No.5939880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meltzer CONSTANTLY doesnt report on shit hes heard cuz hes too pussy to follow up and find out if its fact so he lets it slide under the rug. Dude has openly not discussed shit countless times cuz he doesnt wanna rub guys the wrong way by reporting on alleged events. The wrestling business is no different than any other multimedia business and meltzer is no different than the slew of actors and comedians who have come forward to say ‘yeah i knew about it and now i wish i did something’ one of those turn the other cheek guys and in this day that shit can bring u down as quick as the agressor look at elgin dude did essentially the same shit.
Lance Bravado - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 09:51:37 EST ID:Xa7kTuH3 No.5939884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If a "girl" you never saw and doesn't even live in the same continent as you say you raped her, then you're guilty and should be executed, but only if you're a white male.
Anthony Nese - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 09:57:57 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5939888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>t. retard who believes everything rovert says
April Hunter - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:01:35 EST ID:NzPxwPs2 No.5939891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Maybe because he only reports stuff from sources he trusts and not from some random woman he's never heard of making accusations. Just because other media outlets are foaming at the mouths to report every potential scandal whether true or not for the clicks doesn't mean Dave has too.
Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:13:02 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5939897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In Missouri:
Statute of Limitations for Rape is none
Statute of Limitations for Sexual Assault (Adult) is 2 years.

She said she didn't go to the police because she feared "retaliation" but obviously that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
If this happened in March 2017 she is well within the 2 years, if she doesn't go to the police basically today then she will continue to have basically 0 credibility.
Emi Fujino - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:18:25 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5939902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It isn't Meltzers job to decide who's guilty or not in a fucking sexual harassment case, It's a matter for the Police of which the "victim" has not only decided not to go to but Bix said she didn't expect journalistic coverage but instead for Bix or whoever else she went to just to shit on him with it on twitter
You'd have a point if literally every action this woman did didn't have some sort of massive red flag
Rick Martel - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:54:52 EST ID:5TjKLXUe No.5939927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Meltzer is a unreliable sperg with a pure cult fanbase.
Anthony Nese - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:42 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5940066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Every part of this post is wrong, amazing.
Jamie Knoble - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:23:57 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5940223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dave so far on the spectrum they had to put a new color in the puzzle piece.
Nicole Bass - Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:08:20 EST ID:Jw5IXxwy No.5940363 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Genuine question, and 100% not trying to say you’re full of shit: How do you “Openly not discuss something”?
By that I mean, if you’re open about it, you’re at least SORT OF discussing it. I don’t listen to Meltzer very often, so maybe he has some sort of way of explicitly telling people he won’t talk about something, but it’s like a secret codemor something?
Again, I hope this doesn’t come off as hostile, I just don’t know how you can “openly not discuss” something.
Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding you.

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