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The Elgin Drama is Back and Involves PowerbombTV by Chase Owens - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:20:36 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5966098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Vin Gerard, co owner of PBTV is getting a bit of shit: https://twitter.com/Th_BodyElectric/status/962512563945615361

They're live-streaming an IWA Mid South event this Thursday, but not advertising it. Michael Elgin is going to be on the card
https://powerbomb.tv/schedule
https://twitter.com/IWAMidSouth/status/961070355627610112
There's a bit of an outcry to boycott the service because they're airing an Elgin match. Which is snowballing to maybe also boycotting New Japan World?

The other co owner of PBTV is calling Gerard out publicly, he doesn't want to air or promote Elgin's match & is fine with IWA MS keeping it as a dark match, but Gerard hasn't responded to him privately. And also says Elgin threatened him: https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/962383264441880576, https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/962475802985189377

Bryce Remsburg, the owner of AIW, owner of Nova Pro have all weighed in on how a boycott of the system will harm other indies
https://twitter.com/dabryceisright/status/962534322833100800
https://twitter.com/JohnThorneAIW/status/962526002105802753
https://twitter.com/VAGentMike/status/962392891757916161

Personally I think the "ess jay duble-you" crowd needs to lighten the fuck up because pro wrestling is based on a lie, so you stop being surprised that shitty people can excel in it.

But Elgin does seem like a piece of shit. Should he suffer career repercussions for his behavior? How do you keep him in check?
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Conor O'Brian - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:24:12 EST ID:rlCFRJOc No.5966103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966098
>tolerate shitty people doing shitty things cos....lol
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Monty Brown - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:25:08 EST ID:ikqTrZ8A No.5966104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can we not
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Alex Shelley - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:12 EST ID:TMOa/xAW No.5966106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fuck off with this shit already.
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Kensuke Sasaki - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:33:04 EST ID:FlHHgnrx No.5966110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>people unsubscribe from powerbomb in droves
>every single other indie on there loses revenue
>"we did it guys"
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C.W. Anderson - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:38:10 EST ID:PPzPpDRD No.5966111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966110
that's money talking dude
people can go to an alternative market that doesn't shelter unacceptable behaviour
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The Red Rooster - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:39:57 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.5966112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I wish people would stop being fucking faggots
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Chase Owens - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:44:17 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5966114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966111
>people can go to an alternative market that doesn't shelter unacceptable behaviour

in wrestling? where is that?
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Lizzy Valentine - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:47:04 EST ID:fTwGxKtw No.5966117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>boycotting New Japan World because of Elgin

Glorious Nippon don't care for your shitty politics.
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:48:00 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966098
fox ache
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Machete - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:50:01 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5966120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966111
my dude, Sami Callihan is booked everywhere relevant, Japanese wrestling has had monkey torture, deaths of trainess and more and I don't think i have to tell you about WWE, if you think this is about people not accepting unacceptable behavior then literally lol. There is no alternative in wrestling
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Haku - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:50:39 EST ID:RJV8Oze5 No.5966121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sounds like a great way to make enemies and create a huge headache for everyone involved, fans included.
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Vinnie Vegas - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:50:45 EST ID:wfgzIc7W No.5966122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But you don't see them boycutting NJPW. They truly know where there loyalties are.
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Golga - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:53:37 EST ID:WNuZWFf6 No.5966124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why is this even a big deal?
Elgin didn't fucking rape her or sexually assault her. He didn't take a side because it was her word vs his student's word, and he told her to go to the police if she'd been raped (which she didn't do). Elgin has done nothing wrong other than being a dick and cheating on his wife with a rat, and if we're blacklisting people for being a dick or cheating then we may as well cancel wrestling.
This whole situation is fucking retarded, and the dumbest thing is that she doesn't even give a fuck about prosecuting the dude which allegedly raped her, she just wants to ruin Elgin's career.
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Masked Superstar - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:58:43 EST ID:zw7US0nW No.5966126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I want only fair trade gluten free ethical carnies dropping each other on their heads for drug money
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Rey Bucanero - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:01:24 EST ID:pwPmALvY No.5966130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966114
I got the perfect alternative for you that's only $9.99 a month damn it
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:03:55 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966098
Okay wait I thought Elgin had just done another stupid.
>There's a bit of an outcry to boycott the service because they're airing an Elgin match.
Fucking hell. Really? I'm suddenly glad won.
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John Laurinaitis - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:07:29 EST ID:FZALZpTn No.5966132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966124
When #metoo started, rational skeptics warned that a dangerous precedent was being set for vindictive attention whores to have the power to ruin lives for their own gain. But that was wrongthink, you can't BLAME a VICTIM holy shit I'm LITERALLY shaking right now. And here we are, everyone in every industry is claiming they were raped and they want to tear everything down around them and everyone else is just kind of like HOW COULD WE HAVE STOPPED THIS?
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Sable - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:15:53 EST ID:N+iwwUu7 No.5966137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966132
wouldnt really be a problem if fucktards would treat accusations as just that., accusations and nothing more. now every time some woman points a finger the pitchforks are piercing the sky
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Jay Lethal - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:31:23 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5966145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I signed up to Powerbomb for a year a while back.

I don't like it but at the same time it's a damn good service and worth it for Beyond alone.
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:42:26 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966137
Man wasn't his grand sin trusting the wrong guy's word & making a fellatio reference?
Unless I've grossly misunderstood what exactly he did this shit's uncalled for even if it happened. Especially after he's already been raked through the coals for it. Dude already got his share of real-world comeuppance for his purely hypothetical mistake, move the fuck on already.

>>5966145
Shit if they air the match I'm buying it on principle.
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Jay Lethal - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:48:19 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5966149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree with Adam Lash in principle, but this is a service that carries IWA-MS and Ian Rotten is a much shittier human being than Elgin.
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Mistico - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:54:45 EST ID:llgKCyfW No.5966150 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this woman seems like a psychopath who's relishing the spotlight this is giving her which is probably why her story has been ignored by all reputable journalists for weeks
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John Zandig - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:02:57 EST ID:QHjULHjf No.5966152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the bigger story here is...how many of you knew that Bryce was owner of AIW?
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Mil M‡scaras - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:06:56 EST ID:YKEnLNzC No.5966153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel that people have the right to protest for whatever reason they want. If they believe that Elgin has been abusing a victim of sexual assault, then I can completely understand them not wanting to support the platform that is airing him.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:15:10 EST ID:iZq+4qgo No.5966156 Report Quick Reply
That’s pretty ridiculous.

>>5966152
He’s not, John Thorne is.
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David Arquette - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:30:09 EST ID:n0MsySuJ No.5966162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966098
>The other co owner of PBTV is calling Gerard out publicly
What a fucking faggot. If there's any justice Gerard would find a way to take his half and boot him.
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The Blue Meanie - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:33:03 EST ID:09h3Cka0 No.5966165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This attention whore needs to fuck off already.
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GENTARO - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:36:53 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5966167 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i still dont know what elgin did other than say "i dont believe you" and everytime i ask the only answer i get is "hes a piece of shit dude"
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Ezekiel Jackson - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:40:47 EST ID:OCpI2Gwn No.5966168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is this girl really complaining about a promotion she doesn't watch on a service she doesn't own airing a match she'll never see?
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Evan Bourne - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:40:49 EST ID:QiwyxdmP No.5966169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>woman claims one of elgin's students raped her.
>told her to go to the cops.
>woman does not.
>elgin is now a rapist.
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Miyako Matsumoto - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:40:49 EST ID:rd922YnK No.5966170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can i get a quick rundown?
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Alex Shelley - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:50:17 EST ID:TMOa/xAW No.5966174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966170
right above your post
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Danny Havoc - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:56:01 EST ID:2x34jfxe No.5966177 Report Quick Reply
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>>5966170
As far as I know:
  • Elgin was running a promotion
  • A guy who worked for him did something very wrong sexually to the woman in the OP
  • She told Elgin
  • Elgin was sceptical as fuck, and talked to her in a fairly demeaning way. In one DM he suggested that unless she wanted to do something sexual with him, she should get lost. Elgin is married and has a kid with MsChif, the former female wrestler
  • The girl in the OP put Elgin on blast on twitter. He claimed total innocence but sold his promotion to run away from the shit going on. It also came out Elgin had been shit talking his NJPW tag partner Jeff Cobb to her and NJPW were pretty pissed about that.
  • The girl in the OP is now wondering why places are still giving Elgin work
  • A lot of guys are calling her attention whore and other over the top names and slurs for putting someone who didn't help her in her time of need on blast, which is not a good look imo. Too much "wtf I love Elgin now" all of a sudden. That said, there are some faults on her side, like Elgin telling her to contact the police and her not doing that. Her sexual past also came out and because she's fairly open about sex, she's getting framed as a harlot who blurs the line between wanting and not wanting sex too much. She's not totally mental stable, but then again should we expect someone in her position to be right now?

As far as I read it, it's like, Elgin is 85% wrong/15% right on shit, and she's 73% right/17% wrong/10% ???wtf??? on shit. /wooo/ is 90% young males in the their early 20s, so you'll be shocked but many of them are little too prone to stick up for Elgin, when in the real world it's look like most people are distancing themselves from him.
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Bo Rotundo - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:03:44 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5966182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>ends up killing Powerbomb
This is why we cant have nice things.
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Chase Owens - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:03:51 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5966183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966177
worth noting: there was a period where she was calling out Meltzer and other reporters for lack of news coverage.

David Bixenspan apparently approached her regarding an official investigative article on what happened and said she seemed more interested in wanting him to just put Elgin on blast on Twitter rather than wait for Bix to take the time speaking to sources and gathering up enough information for a credible report about the situation.
https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/951672578032263169
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Machete - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:06:07 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5966184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966177
>A guy who worked for him did something very wrong sexually to the woman in the OP
which at the time was based solely on her word
>He claimed total innocence but sold his promotion to run away from the shit going on
this isn't related at all, all this shows is he didn't want this shit to harm the company
>NJPW were pretty pissed about that
doesn't look like it
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:07:35 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966185 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966177
> and NJPW were pretty pissed about that.
Source on this bit? It's news to me. It was a private conversation and they had no investment in Cobb.

Also it's not a matter of who's 'right' or 'wrong' so much as it is the disparate severity in the action & counter-action. What's not a good look is her going out of her way to keep fucking with his career 2 months after she'd already got the story out there and cost him bookings.
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Bo Rotundo - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:08:51 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5966186 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966183
She has a hard-on for promoting Jeff Cobb over Elgin too. its all so tiresome.
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GENTARO - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:10:07 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5966187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966186
jeff smells nice though, that's understandable
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Machete - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:15:44 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5966191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966183
my favorite thing about this was her thinking Daves forum was actually circlejerk and then less than 24 hours later somehow knowing what dave exactly said and wrote about on the subject over potentially 4 observers and like 10 radio shows
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Danny Havoc - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:18:23 EST ID:2x34jfxe No.5966193 Report Quick Reply
>>5966185
>>5966184
Meltzer said on WOR that NJPW are super high on Cobb, because they love the fact he's was an Olympian. That kind of legitimacy buys you a lot of respect in Japan. He said NJPW did really care about the shit about the girl, but the disrespect way he talked about Cobb caught him a lot of heat. Then followed speculation that now Cobb is going to be groomed to take Elgin's current spot as the big powerful Gaijin guy and that Elgin will be phased out.

>>5966184
>which at the time was based solely on her word
Yeah my instinct isn't to doubt women in these cases. Yes, there are outliers of women who come up with fake claims, but they're the vast minority. When an allegation like that is made, you should take it seriously and investiage it, not ask that she either give him a blowjob or fuck off.

Too often historically it used to happen in the past that people would say "lol you're a whore, your word means nothing" and it lead to a lot of fucked up cases in the western world where actual crimes were dismissed out of hand.
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:20:25 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966167
/wooo/ had a deeply ingrained resentment for Elgin that'll gush forth whenever there's an inch. It's weird.
I 'member the seething hot rage his G1 debut got. Old-school Southern heat rage.
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Machete - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:21:08 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5966196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966193
>When an allegation like that is made, you should take it seriously and investiage it
which he then told her to go to the police, her word doesn't equal somebody elses life should potentially be ruined and it's not Elgins job to investigate a fucking sexual assault
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Bo Rotundo - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:23:39 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5966199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The drama caused big daddy to go the ER.
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Alex Shelley - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:32:19 EST ID:TMOa/xAW No.5966208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966199
who
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:32:50 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5966210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This woman had reasons for NOT going to the police. Whether you care about them or not I guess doesn't matter.
Those reasons she had for not going to the police no longer matter, and from my understanding she still has not and will not go to the police.

Until she goes to the police, nothing she says matters. Also she's already partially backtracked on bashing the promotion, telling people not to unsubscribe.
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:37:01 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966199
>>5966208
Aforementioned co-owner who's been 'taking a moral stand' all afternoon.
I don't wish ill on him but he quite literally brought the stress on himself.
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Jim Johnston - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:47:09 EST ID:XK07g1Z3 No.5966218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:49:51 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966210
What were they?
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:56:53 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5966224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966219
She didn't want to go to the police because she was afraid of the backlash and people poking holes in her story, as well as people figuring out who she actually is. As well as concerned of legal backlash by filing an official statement

http://www.pwponderings.com/2018/01/11/speaking-out/
>PWP: One of the most common questions naysayers ask is “Why not just go to the police?” Did you feel this was ever an option for you?

>Mo: At the time of the assault I was working as a Crisis Intervention Specialist at a Domestic Violence Shelter/Rape Crisis Center (a job I lost due to repeated triggering because of my own trauma). I have been involved in the fight against domestic and sexual violence my entire life. I am very well versed in the statistic probability of a case like mine being brought to charges, let alone a conviction. The thought of being dragged through the mud and having my most personal trauma scrutinized by men I had worked with previously, knowing that it would get nothing accomplished, made me physically exhausted and ill. Additionally, filing charges against an abuser will often times cause them to retaliate. And when charges/conviction are not likely, the risk of retaliation isn’t worth taking. I also thought I had Elgin on my side, who would hold Orleans accountable in his own community. Obviously, I overestimated Elgin.

Well basically ALL of that ended up happening anyways. So she literally has no reason to not go to the police: Even for the legal backlash purposes because now she does NOTHING but constantly and publicly name names and make accusations.
She's taken this Gung Ho public persona about this, except for still going to the police.
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Garbleflab - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:07:43 EST ID:J9va/Lsg No.5966233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can somebody please explain to me what the fuck is going on with /wooo/ and Michael Elgin?

I don't know what happened here, sounds like he cheated on his wife or something, but even before this happened /wooo/ was shitting all over him for some reason? Is it his look, his wrestling ability? Seriously, why is this guy so singled out? There must be something that I am missing here.
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Chase Owens - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:08:46 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5966235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966212
Adam seems like a good dude who has been involved with helping out behind the scenes of indie wrestling for years. And he's been pretty open about having a rough personal year.

And he's on the right side of the fence of not wanting to deal with Elgin (ESPECIALLY if Elgin threatened him) And even from a business sense, it's just best to avoid the headache that comes from the internet outrage around him.

And some of these twitter pundits have the audacity to say "its not good enough because they still booked Los Traumas"
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Chase Owens - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:15:35 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5966239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966224
> a Crisis Intervention Specialist at a Domestic Violence Shelter/Rape Crisis Center

>here's why I think taking legal action is worthless

> (a job I lost due to repeated triggering because of my own trauma)

I wish more people called her out for the reckless advice she's putting out publicly
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Michael Kovac - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:28:57 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966233
Man there used to be at least one guy routinely campaigning for someone to give him a carer-ending injury. SOLELY for the intense glee it'd give him to know Elgin had "failed at his dream". Don't question the meme magic, just accept it exists. You'll be saner for it.
>>5966235
>he's on the right side of the fence of not wanting to deal with Elgin
Maybe if he'd had this blow-up earlier. Or, y'know, not had a blow-up at all. I disagree with AAW too but at least they kept it at one clean statement and left it at that. You've got multiple indie guys here telling him he's going too far which evidently he has if he's having a physical breakdown. If there's personal heat is a different matter. Which hey maybe there is, if his justification's the "continuing smear campaign" that wasn't actually continuing until he said so.
What'd Los Traumas do?
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Carols Colon - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:38:38 EST ID:+TlyV1LL No.5966274 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Elgin should get an MRA gimmick and double down on this
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John Laurinaitis - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:52:14 EST ID:FZALZpTn No.5966281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966274
his finisher should be teabagging women and he could call it "The Elgin Marbles"
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Ace Steel - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:02:47 EST ID:lHgC3ZBQ No.5966285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Bryce Remsburg, the owner of AIW

I read that as Bryce owned AIW and I was shook.
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Ring Ryda Blue - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:39:06 EST ID:+KzeeAH2 No.5966314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966242

Trauma II was accused of kidnapping his girlfriend. Nothing really came of it.
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Erik Watts - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:43:20 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.5966316 Ignore Report Quick Reply
REEEE
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Andy Douglas - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:55:09 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5966322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Can this chick fuck off?

I don't care what Big Mike did. Let the authorities sort it out.

I still want to see Big Mike wrestle and nothing will change that.
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LuFisto - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:36:57 EST ID:0aLbWxs9 No.5966359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966285
I had the exact same reaction
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StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:10:02 EST ID:KnCEO0tN No.5966383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think the real shocking thing is, Ian Rotten, after every scumbag thing he's done, somehow doesn't have a sexual misconduct allegation against him.
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Gunner - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 23:29:11 EST ID:+St5iFps No.5966477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Elgin isn't a COMPLETE dealbreaker for me if he's on a show, but I hate it when he is. I just don't care to watch his matches anymore. I applaud anyone who takes a stand for what they think is right in this situation. Since it's wrestling, it's hard to find wrestlers and promotions that are not "problematic" in some way, which is a damn shame. But I'm at least a little bit glad that some people in the business are taking notice of the changing social climate and not wanting to be associated with some of the more scummy people.

It's hard to take a stand on these things without just writing off all of wrestling. But I firmly believe wrestling should be a safe and welcoming environment for all, and anybody who is contributing to unease in the wrestling community should be shunned by those willing to take that stand.

IWA-MS (and the other promotions) have a right to book Elgin if they want, and fans have a right to boycott if they don't like it.
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Necro Butcher - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:16:57 EST ID:p50f1LJ8 No.5966497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966477
>safe and welcoming
>the entire concept of pro wrestling is based on (worked) violence and antagonism

I think you picked the wrong sport
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Gunner - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:24:32 EST ID:+St5iFps No.5966502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966497

no, I just think that wrestling could be a safe and welcoming place if we let it become that way. I don't see why worked violence has anything to do with it? It's not like the audience is involved with the violence.
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Necro Butcher - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:30:46 EST ID:p50f1LJ8 No.5966505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966502
Cant wait to see wrestlers settling their differences in the ring by being inclusive and respecting each others opinions instead of beating the crap out of each other.
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Atlantis - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:34:41 EST ID:RM6zImkF No.5966509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am not reading any of this

But free my nigga Elgin cuz this slut wanted to slut around till she got raped

Who fuckin cares bitch it's your own damn fault take responsibility for your actions for fuck's sake and learn from the god damn experience don't open ya god damn legs if you're gonna regret it hours later at least your dumb ass didn't get preggers
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Jazz - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:36:00 EST ID:w6j1JMcO No.5966514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why doesn`t Mike just make this his new gimmick? White Cis Male. He`s gonna get a ton of heel`s heat.
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Gunner - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:40:15 EST ID:+St5iFps No.5966516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966505

yeah but none of this shit happens in a ring so that's not really what I'm talking about, but okay. nb
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Gunner - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:40:44 EST ID:+St5iFps No.5966517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966516
crap i forget to nb :( ignore me
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Sexy Star - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:46:31 EST ID:NzPxwPs2 No.5966518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966477
>problematic
This is my trigger word. Anytime I see someone use it I know they are going to be annoying.
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Hajime Ohara - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:01:16 EST ID:fbXyMEWJ No.5966523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll boycott PBTV if they take action against Elgin

I don't want my boy to end up like Rose McGowans manager
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Mr. Perfect - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:07:33 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5966527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966523

You should tell Powerbomb.TV and the co-owner that on Twitter.

The more people to counter the activists, the better.
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Gunner - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:09:24 EST ID:+St5iFps No.5966529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966518

Yeah sorry about that, I didn't know what other word to use, that's one of those hot button words, which is why I tried to at least put it in quotes.
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Hajime Ohara - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:19:33 EST ID:fbXyMEWJ No.5966535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966527

I don't have Twitter but I hope someone else will
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Luther Reigns - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:36:38 EST ID:epfe0UIz No.5966539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966535

>I have a conviction
>You should stand up for that conviction
>Well not me, but someone else should

kek. It takes like 2 minutes to start a Twitter.
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Hajime Ohara - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:08:36 EST ID:fbXyMEWJ No.5966548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966539
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The Great Kabuki - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:22:45 EST ID:2aIsu7ng No.5966551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966539
Please. People get fired and have their lives ruined because of vindictive people who disagree with something someone says on Twitter.

Social media was mistake.
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Amazing Red - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 02:44:26 EST ID:uac27jtF No.5966555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966505
>being inclusive and respecting each others opinions instead of beating the crap out of each other

This is pretty much the explanation for tag teams forming and breaking up
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Adam Bomb - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 04:21:10 EST ID:nLZUEsFz No.5966578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol dumb slut should have had responsibility for herself and gone to the cops if she really had an issue

elgin's the man y'all can fuck off
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Lenny Lane - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:16:28 EST ID:ZrsPbGVd No.5966610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So she didn't go to the cops because she didn't want any form of retaliation, what exactly did she think going to social media instead would do? The fact that she has been unwilling to deal with any of this in the appropriate manner should discredit her entirely.
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Retail Dragon - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:18:08 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.5966612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966610
doesnt go to cops and continues to harass elgin and not the guy who actually assaulted her
really activates the almonds
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Amazing Red - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 05:20:59 EST ID:uac27jtF No.5966613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966612
Yeah, makes no sense. Its one thing if you were going after the person you accused, or the cops made no effort to do anything about your accusation.

You fear retaliation? Let the cops know that as well. 95% of the time, they take that kind of stuff seriously. But you're doing yourself no favors if you don't go to the police.
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Mistico - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 07:59:06 EST ID:vFTqV3lF No.5966716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Having worked with Powerbomb.TV all I can say is Adam's a twat.
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JK Trolling !HnaoKxsqDA - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:22:54 EST ID:8KkpS44J No.5966735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Had absolutely no idea Vin Gerard ran powerbomb.tv. That's very random.
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Kimona Wanaleya - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 08:27:30 EST ID:666dYZp0 No.5966736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966716
how so?
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Gunner - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:05:46 EST ID:NAdXVhr7 No.5966759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I could understand this type of reaction if Elgin was a convicted rapist or was standing trial but as far as I can tell he's done nothing. Being an asshole isn't a crime yet nor should it be treated like one.
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Marshe Rockett - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:07:55 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966759
OH SHIT
SOMEONE GETS IT
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Andy Ridge - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:12:18 EST ID:OvQuhAr3 No.5966770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really wish this turboslut would just go away.
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Gorilla Monsoon - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:16:44 EST ID:zUXB+Pah No.5966775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Elgin did not come out of that situation looking good at all, but he's not worth boycotting a service that isn't even advertising the show his match is on. Powerbomb TV is a very good service that is trying to do what FloSlam did with a dozen times more competence, and honestly while the wrestling business is scummy and shitty they've yet to do something legitimately worth talking shit about.

Honestly, there's a chance PBTV wasn't fully aware that IWS had booked Mike. If you're going to try to blacklist Elgin for what happened, take it up with the company who directly booked him.
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Babe the Farmer's Daughter - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:52:46 EST ID:dP3kX961 No.5966808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The real reason to boycott Elgin is because he's boring, and sucks
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Bobby Fish - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:56:13 EST ID:MBDlzCwQ No.5966810 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966808
He's always been "but what if Davey Richards did powerbombs?"
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Jake The Snake Roberts - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:20:23 EST ID:HkuFlqaJ No.5966823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966775
according to Adam Lash, Ian Rotten is standing by Elgin BECAUSE of the scandal and is saying Mo Malone is just a rat. Ian wants to go out of his way to promote Elgin

Vin Gerard won't advertise the show and apparently suggested making a donation to a charity, but Adam Lash doesnt want them to air/host Elgin at all.

the same twitter crowd that is claiming boycott is saying Lash still isn't doing enough and wrote them off because he was "slow" to remove Los Traumas from their event when one of them got busted for sexual assault
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Kharma - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:51:47 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5966846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966810
*what if davey richards was thicc and did powerbombs
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Babe the Farmer's Daughter - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:42:10 EST ID:dP3kX961 No.5966874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966810
>>5966846
Everytime I see him on a NJPW show I immediately don't want to watch the match
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Justin Roberts - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 11:45:18 EST ID:JrNBbcMG No.5966875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966810
i need to know how you made that connection because im completely clueless
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Marshe Rockett - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:23:42 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5966906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966875
It's an oldfag thing. His rise to prominence started in the middle of the ROH Clone Wars.
RMD coined it IIRC.
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Command Bolshoi - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 12:45:42 EST ID:AuLDqXfo No.5966928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only thing he ever coined was a vending machine.
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Command Bolshoi - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:21:14 EST ID:AuLDqXfo No.5966990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Remember when Michelle Beadle quit watching WWE because Triple H is friends with Mayweather? She didn't quit boxing, she didn't quit ESPN, who covers his fights extensively, AND she tried to do press at the Manny fight and got pissed when Floyd's team had her barred.

By all means, shun jackasses and criminals, but place your anger in the right spot at least. Soon as you start branching it out you sound ridiculous and inevitably make yourself a hypocrite.
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Sunny - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:49:38 EST ID:OsQ51F5+ No.5967009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5966928
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:52:34 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Vin Gerard has decided to put his business' reputation in the steady hand of

*squints*

Ian Rotten
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Bill Alfonos - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:53:48 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5967769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967768

we won, lads
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 12:56:11 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967768
one indie is out
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:03:00 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967768
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:07:32 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967780 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967779
uh oh

https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963468617986793472
https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963459003866107905
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Grizzly Redwood - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:19:52 EST ID:OCpI2Gwn No.5967788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967768
Poised to implode like FloSlam did.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 13:22:06 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967791 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967773
looking at the assumed last dynamite cup from this guy I can't say this is much of a loss tbh
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:16:25 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967827 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967768
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:17:12 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:18:10 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967828
oh cool, SHLAK and GameChanger wrestling are getting dragged into this too
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Bill Alfonos - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:22:28 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5967834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967829

>oh no guise, we can't have GCW on powerbomb.tv because one of their wrestlers is a nazi!

lmao this guy can piss off, I've been waiting for GCW on powerbomb
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Cherry - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:48:46 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5967855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Which is snowballing to maybe also boycotting New Japan World?

Of course not, and neither would they if it was someone in WWE either. this has turned into a bully mob and bullies only pick on those they perceive as weaker.

Whether Elgin was a bad guy or not, it's ridiculous that smarks would single him out for a boycott when there are plenty more unsavoury characters in all promotions.
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Pedro Morales - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:55:54 EST ID:VK6af0zS No.5967865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967834
i want it on highspots
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 14:57:42 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967834
its a bad look IF a promoter is proven to look the other way at a worker has a real life scummy reputation

Like without even getting into "woke social justice" shit, its just bad business 101. You protect your business and cut ties with people who bring bad publicity. Look at how fast WWE dropped Enzo regardless of whether he is guilty or innocent. It doesn't matter; if you bring bad headlines to the company, you're gone.

Neither Ian Rotten nor SHLAK are the hills to die on.

Not when Beyond, AIW, Nova Pro and a bunch of indies were staking their exposure and business on PowerbombTV being a popular thing that was increasing in subscriptions.

If a wrestler draws cries of protest and boycott, DON'T FUCKING BOOK THEM. no wrestler is worth it. if they're innocent of their crimes they WILL come back from it.
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Jerry Lawler - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:03:16 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5967872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967855
Yeah I don't like what Elgin did, but was much more uneasy with IWA-MS and Ian Rotten coming on board and getting my money after I paid $100 for a year.

Now that I know it won't matter since they get a flat fee, at least I can feel ok knowing the promotion I signed up to watch, Beyond, is getting my support. I've only been to one of their shows and they're slightly outside my area, I feel like they're my hometown indy and getting to watch (whenever they get it all up) their entirely library plus everything else on the service for a decent price is too good for me to pass up.

I hope Lash can get a payout at least or find legal representation so he doesn't get fucked.


And regardless of anything else, fuck Shlak.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:08:58 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967867
>if they're innocent of their crimes they WILL come back from it
I'd love to live in this fantasy world you live in, the Elgin situation alone they outright refuse to get any criminal proceedings going precisely because this could and most likely would happen, the whole thing is based on lies and half truths as it is what do you think a Judges decision would do? Like the Elgin situation at least concerning him is quite literally based on no evidence except someones word and he's already treated like he's guilty with no criminal recourse as the "victim" has no interest in it
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Naomichi Marufuji - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:15:43 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5967884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967867
"cries of" and an actual boycott are two very different things that requires the dipshits who want to pretend wrestlers are ever good people are paying customers
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:16:35 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967880
> Like the Elgin situation at least concerning him is quite literally based on no evidence except someones word and he's already treated like he's guilty with no criminal recourse as the "victim" has no interest in it

Elgin is guilty of being an asshole, shit talking his tag partner & upsetting NJPW management, and continuing to talk (and sleep with?) a woman who says she was raped by his student.

Notice he hasn't been able to produce a screenshots of text messages where he looks like a reliable locker room leader that says "Mo, these are serious accusations and until I get clarification from the police, I cannot allow you or Sean Orleans to appear at Glory Pro events. I wish you all the best." Because he was fucking idiot.

Even Meltz said he was an idiot for the way he tried to handle this.

Buff Bagwell didn't commit any crimes, but he was an asshole and the locker room got tired of his shit.

Elgin's not some victim, he had a shit reputation years ago, laid low to get his spot in Japan and he's blown it by being Michael Elgin. He clearly made a bad situation a lot worse.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:20:50 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967884
If I was attempting to run adults only wrestling shows in New Jersey and feature heavy violence with broken glass and blood, I sure as shit would make sure I maintain a good reputation with building owners and local law enforcement. You're already fighting an uphill battle in trying to be steady presence, do you really want to get enough people complaining LOUD enough that your shows feature Nazis?

"any publicity is good publicity" is bullshit. Especially for pro wrestling. Bad publicity is BAD publicity.

New Jersey actually stepped in and tried to shut down the kind of wrestling GCW wants to perform once before. GCW *just* lost its regular building and is running shows out of its training gym now. It bad PR follows you around, you won't be able to make *money* with your business.
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Naomichi Marufuji - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:26:01 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5967890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967887
Meh. I'm still waiting to hear about the time capitulating to people crying online lead to a sudden dime influx to anything, ever.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:26:30 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967885
except being an asshole and an idiot didn't stop him from getting booked in literally every major company going right now until this came out. Unless rather than suggesting that nobody cared you're alleging that he was a covert asshole for years trying to get into the high level wrestler cabal

>Mo, these are serious accusations and until I get clarification from the police, I cannot allow you or Sean Orleans to appear at Glory Pro events. I wish you all the best.
And what do you suggest Elgin base his trainee stop working on? How do you suggest Elgin investigate something he would inherently be biased on rather that the victim just going to the police?

>and continuing to talk (and sleep with?) a woman who says she was raped by his student
everything I've seen could just as easily been Mo restarting the conversation trying to get Elgin to do something about it and him just getting sick of it, blocking her on all forms would have probably made it far worse and would be quite difficult to stop her from going to not only your shows but others anyway
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:36:10 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967891
>Unless rather than suggesting that nobody cared you're alleging that he was a covert asshole for years trying to get into the high level wrestler cabal
or he fucked it up a new more embarrassing way?

>except being an asshole and an idiot didn't stop him from getting booked in literally every major company going right now until this came out
Limiteless, AIW, SMASH and AAW all stopped booking him. if the co owner of Powerbomb TV didn't want Ian Rotten to backdoor Elgin onto his site and bring him bad publicity, he shouldn't be forced to air Elgin's match. You have all the right in the world to keep bad press away from your business.

>And what do you suggest Elgin base his trainee stop working on? How do you suggest Elgin investigate something he would inherently be biased on rather that the victim just going to the police?
All he needed to do was throw his hands up and tell Mo to go to the police and let the police settle it. And if the police say "sean orleans is guilty" then he drops him. It's not fucking rocket science: if someone tells you one of you employees committed a crime, you don't try to handle it all yourself privately. Why is that such an obtuse idea?

>everything I've seen could just as easily been Mo restarting the conversation trying to get Elgin to do something about it and him just getting sick of it, blocking her on all forms would have probably made it far worse and would be quite difficult to stop her from going to not only your shows but others anyway
Elgin didn't deny that any of his responses were fabricated. He admits to saying the worst most stupidest shit in this scenario.

He's clearly a demonstrable fuck up. Promoters are employers: if they can't trust him to not fuck up, they don't have to hire him.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:39:36 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967890
annoying twitter will probably never bring in a single fucking time, but do you really think its smart business to stake your 2018 wrestling company on Ian Rotten, Michael Elgin and SHLAK?

you don't have to cater to only Ian Rotten or annoying twitter pundits -- you can just avoid BOTH.

It's mind boggling that this shit is blowing up so quickly because a promoter was intimidated by the "influence" of Ian Rotten.
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Jerry Lawler - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:42:54 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5967907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967887
They lost GameChangerWorld?
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:44:26 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967896
>Limiteless, AIW, SMASH and AAW all stopped booking him
did you not read what you quoted?

>All he needed to do was throw his hands up and tell Mo to go to the police and let the police settle it.
As far as I'm aware that's what he did and she has quite openly refused to do so, it's not his job to investigate sexual assault

>Elgin didn't deny that any of his responses were fabricated. He admits to saying the worst most stupidest shit in this scenario
I'm not denying that he is an asshole just that nobody gave a fuck until this narrative came out

Everything that I've seen has not shown that he legitimately covered up a sexual assault, just that he himself didn't do anything about it as she refused to go to the authorities, what else could he possibly realistically do which would be fair to both parties
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:51:07 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967912
>As far as I'm aware that's what he did

No, she told him she was raped by his student, he kept fucking her on the side (confirmed by Mo & Elgin) and would shit talk his NJPW partner to her in screenshot-able messages.

HE DID NOT CUT OFF CONTACT WITH HER. He's never said that his wife was cool with an open marriage, so he basically admitted to cheating on his wife -- with a woman who said she was raped by his student. And then he complained to her about his NJPW booking. LOL Mike you giant dummy.

>Everything that I've seen has not shown that he legitimately covered up a sexual assault,
I am not even saying he covered up anything but he's clearly an idiot for sticking his dick in crazy and letting it blow up so bad. Everyone knew he was an asshole but he proved he was stupid too. Why would you event want to deal with him when you could get Jeff Cobb, Keith Lee, Matt Riddle, Brian Cage, Chris Dickinson or Dan Maff for cheaper and with WAY LESS BULLSHIT?
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Kurt Angle - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:58:23 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5967922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967885
>Notice he hasn't been able to produce a screenshots of text messages where he looks like a reliable locker room leader that says "Mo, these are serious accusations and until I get clarification from the police, I cannot allow you or Sean Orleans to appear at Glory Pro events. I wish you all the best." Because he was fucking idiot.
Why is he even expected to go this far? This isn't "being an idiot", this is "not sticking your nose where it doesn't belong". I guess if you believe in fairy tales, you might think the big strong wrestler is some Prince Charming type, who goes out of his way, above and beyond, to make things "right", but I don't even think firing Orleans would have made it "right".

If the dude has a history of sexual assault, he shouldn't just be fired from his job, free to assault women at other wrestling shows, he should be behind bars! Elgin can't put him behind bars. He shouldn't be held responsible for not doing so...

>>5966183
>using wrestling lingo "no selling" to refer to ignoring someone who is trying to contact you
I'm not surprised people don't take Bix seriously.

>>5966233
There was a time, right before Elgin went to Japan, where it seemed like he had given up on wrestling. ROH gave him a pretty decent push including their world title, but he wasn't happy and told some interviewer that he was going to quit wrestling and try out for the MLB. He lost to Trevor Lee at PWG. ROH didn't like any of this, took the belt off him, and I think he missed some shows (blaming visa issues). This is when he really fell out of favor with /wooo/ and wrestling fans in general, and became the butt of a lot of jokes. I think his work in NJPW made up for it, but I guess not everyone feels that way.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:01:28 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967916
>No, she told him she was raped by his student
I'm pretty sure she wasn't raped dude, why do you keep posting this

>Why would you event want to deal with him when you could get Jeff Cobb, Keith Lee, Matt Riddle, Brian Cage, Chris Dickinson or Dan Maff for cheaper and with WAY LESS BULLSHIT?
Because he's a far greater draw and Wrestler while this so called bullshit literally made no difference before this came out

>>As far as I'm aware that's what he did
>No,
wanna add more to the claim that he didn't tell her to go to the police?

Literally all you've said about this is yes he's an asshole which was common knowledge even before this, in 2014 he literally did a interview with Kevin Owens where he talked about pissing on a woman and fucking a dudes wife and he's exponentially more popular since, the meat of this boycott is on either an Elgin smear campaign? Or that he somehow tried to cover it up which both are either baseless or just untrue
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Kurt Angle - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:02:55 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5967932 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967922
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Kurt Angle - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:04:35 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5967934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963515854926286849

I know who Vin Gerard is, but who are any of these other people and why should anyone care what they think?
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:06:47 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967938 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967922
>Why is he even expected to go this far?
I don't know what the exact hypothetical correct thing to do was when he was dragged into an accusation against his student. But he clearly handled it wrong. It's clear that continuing to speak to Mo, on the record, and sleep with her was a BAD idea.

"Your student raped me!"
A. Put my hands up, walk away, and say "go to police"
B. Put my Batman mask on and play vigilante
C. Put my dick in this woman tonight and then text her about how I'm unhappy with my role in NJPW

Why is anyone still trying to say Elgin's professional reputation shouldn't take a hit? If promotions want to wash their hands of him after this, that's their right. If he didn't want to lose bookings, he should have done anything but the worst thing to do.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:12:14 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967945 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967938
nobody is fucking denying that companies have a right to do whatever, they're denying what they're basing it on, if it's based on what it's publically about being covering up sexual harassment or some smear campaign then it's based on lies, if it's based on him being an asshole then it's fucking retarded as this was common knowledge years previously. Even then the idea that you'd happily air Ian Rotten and his promotion but draw the line at Elgin is frankly pretty laughable
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Pedro Morales - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:12:52 EST ID:VK6af0zS No.5967946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Consequences Creed - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:14:49 EST ID:+St5iFps No.5967949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Regardless of what the situation is, ousting the guy who is against streaming a wrestler who is the subject of huge controversy involving smearing an alleged sexual assault survivor is NOT a good look. It makes PBTV look super scummy. I don't care if it happened or not, or if Elgin is responsible for covering it up or smearing the alleged victim or not, just the fact that it's a situation involving sexual assault does not look good on their end. They are fucking nuts for going to bat for Ian Rotten and Michael Elgin, this is just bad PR.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:15:14 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967934
Danielle Matheson is a writer / podcaster for Uproxx, she's good friends with Brandon Stroud. She's part of that s jay w crowd that annoys this board.

https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963504245315198976
She's the one that got Blaster McMassive suspended from Chikara when he called someone a rat on Twitter. His suspension led to his disillusion with wrestling so he quit. Lash is claiming Vin Gerard was consulting her on how to handle the Elgin match and they decided to do a promo code that would be a donation to RAINN. But I guess ultimately, Gerard and the owner of Smart Mark Video were afraid of pissing off Ian Rotten.

Danielle Matheson is now saying Lash led a campaign of "rape and death threats" against her because she got the owner of AIW in trouble for a picture he took with veda scott. I don't even know what the fuck that is about.
https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963506135222444032
https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/963510501459324929 (Bix is asking for proof of that)
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:18:25 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967945
>they're denying what they're basing it on
Michael Elgin's own bone-headed comments that were on the record that he confirmed he said?

> if it's based on him being an asshole then it's fucking retarded as this was common knowledge years previously
"So you're not only an asshole, you're also an idiot that complains about your spot in NJPW and you cheat on your wife with a woman who keeps wanting you to handle a rape accusation behind closed doors involving her and your student."
He revealed a new side of asshole. People don't have to tolerate it forever. You don't get an infinite amount of strikes.
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MVP - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:19:28 EST ID:II9JapFT No.5967955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967951
lol dumb bitch rat couldn't get any wrestling dick so she had to go cry
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Kurt Angle - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:20:33 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5967957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, how many people are really talking about a boycott here? Like 2 dozen people interacted with the tweet in OP (and some of the replies don't care about the situation). Is that really enough to put a dent into PBTV's bottom line?

>>5967938
Didn't his reputation already take a hit? Dude wrestled in the Tokyo Dome and held NJPW titles. Now he has to work for Ian Rotten. I think you got your pound of flesh and then some.

This isn't about promotions. Promoters apparently want to book him. It's about misplaced anger. It's about assigning blame where blame is due. FWIW, he did tell her to go to the cops. And if they wanted to have sex, then that's really none of our business.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:20:53 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967958 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967930
>I'm pretty sure she wasn't raped dude
dude if you can't prove it, why would you even touch it as a business owner?

>[Michael Elgin'sa far greater draw and Wrestler [than Jeff Cobb, Keith Lee, Matt Riddle, Brian Cage, Chris Dickinson or Dan Maff ]

GTFOH
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:22:26 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967953
>complains about your spot in NJPW
everyone's free to complain it's just whether they become pubic which wasn't his do so
> cheat on your wife
If cheating on your wife was worthy of boycott then the only watchable wrestling would be Womens and that's only because of the wording
>who keeps wanting you to handle a rape accusation behind closed doors involving her and your student.
which again won't happen as that's the polices job, you still keep saying rape despite it not being so
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:23:19 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967957
>Promoters apparently want to book him
Ian Rotten wants to book him.

Are AAW or AIW bringing him back? Is NJPW definitely not phasing him out?
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:26:43 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967963
wanting to book him and not booking him for PR reasons are two entirely different things, in AAWs case they took the more sensible stance of waiting until we know the full story, Limitless shit on him pretty hard only to laughably book Sami Callihan
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Naomichi Marufuji - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:32:22 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5967972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wonder how many of these very ethical people still give money to Vince "Carlos Colon and Jimmy Snuka are in my HOF" McMahon.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:35:27 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967965
>>Promoters apparently want to book him. wanting to book him and not booking him for PR reasons are two entirely different things
> you still keep saying rape despite it not being so

are you a wrestler? how do you know these things to be a fact? are you talking to promoters who are privately saying "oh we want to book poor michael elgin but we can't because of the unfair scandal that we know is based on a lie"?
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:36:57 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967974
because if they stopped booking all scum Sami Callihan wouldn't be a regular of AAW and be literally on the NJPW tour after this whole shit came to the public
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:37:40 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967907
GameChanger World in New Jersey went out of business. There's a GCW in Allentown, PA but who knows how long that will stick around. It was a fly by night music venue that tried to get into wrestling. It's amazing that Brett Lauderdale & Danny Demanto have taken the idea and outlived the venue.
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Naomichi Marufuji - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:38:20 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5967977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967975
lol if bookers don't book scum then the audience better have brought their gear because it's gonna be a real empty ring otherwise
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Kensuke Sasaki - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:38:53 EST ID:vSvAZDc8 No.5967978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967972
I think perhaps one day the idea that morality is a spectrum will catch on, and maybe we'll all (ironically) be better off for it. Because we'll recognize that everyone has different feeling and opinions and reactions to every different incident, and it's not necessarily and matter of right vs. wrong, but this way vs. that way.

I mean, Elgin's a jackass, but does that transfer to the promotion who books him, or the service that streams the promotion, or the people in charge of the service, or the friends/partners of the people in charge, etc. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go before you feel satisfied? Or better yet, how exposed to you want to make yourself before you become the target of criticism? Everyone involved in this seems to be really surprised that their willingly-given opinion is being challenged.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:41:07 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967977
Exactly, the idea that you'd suddenly grow a conscience and not book Elgin but in the next breath book Sami Callihan is quite obviously absurd and can only really be about current public outcry rather than what they've actually done
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:44:48 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967975
> be literally on the NJPW tour after this whole shit came to the public
Meltz was reporting that Elgin had heat with NJPW officials for shit talking Jeff Cobb. Meltz said it best: "he was guilty of putting his trust in the wrong person." There's still rumors that NJPw might be phasing him out and putting Cobb in his place. If he gets a huge push from NJPW than he weathered the storm, but right now he's working low level tags with Taguchi.

> if they stopped booking all scum Sami Callihan wouldn't be a regular of AAW
Callihan has done a much better job of keeping shit locked down.

Why are you being obtuse about the fact that Elgin *made the situation worse*? It has nothing to do what may or may not have happened between Mo, Orleans and him in the bedroom. It doesn't matter what happens behind the scenes, what matters is bad publicity and Elgin is 100% responsible for bringing bad publicity on himself and everywhere he goes. Any promoter that wants to stick with him is welcome to take on the risk. I don't think he's worth it.
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:50:40 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5967985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967982
>Why are you being obtuse
you asked how i knew it wasn't for PR reasons and i answered brother, if you don't like the answer then whatever, in the same circles that are shitting on Elgin the subject of Sami comes up pretty frequently and absolutely nothing has been done, it's about how loud this mo shit is not what he has or hasn't done that is stopping him from getting booked

> It has nothing to do what may or may not have happened between Mo, Orleans and him in the bedroom
Guess I'm imagining these covered up sexual harassment claims that not only the usual suspects are saying but what the companies that stop booking him are basing it on
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Naomichi Marufuji - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:56:38 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5967989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So what are we supposed to be clutching our pearls over about Callihan, anyway?
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Chainsaw Charlie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:58:12 EST ID:IdORP9Kz No.5967990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Two question:

  1. Why is PowerbombTV scared of Ian Rotten in any way?IWA Mid-South is only now starting to build back their brand after years of dwelling in obscurity and even so Powerbomb has several promotions in their library that deliver a better product. If Ian doesn't want to comply then fuck it and just not stream the show, is it really going to be that big of a loss?

2. Hypothetical here: What are the odds of Rich Swann being met with this same type of fire and fiery once he's back on the indies? At this point its obvious WWE is just going to ride out his contract so he'll probably be back within the next few month, will he blackballed by the mob like Elgin despite the fact that the charges were dropped and he and Su Yung made up

>Context: Swan was arrested for battery and kidnapping/false imprisonment after forcing his wife Su Yung back into their car. The whole incident started because Su was drunk at an Indy show she was working
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:00:41 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5967994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967985
what are you even trying to prove at this point? that Elgin shouldn't have lost any bookings - even in spite of the assholish (and unprofessional) behavior he definitely admitted that he did?
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:05:18 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967989
domestic abuse and cheating on his ex Chrissy Rivera

>>5967990
To answer number 1 I'm pretty sure SMV have had a tight relationship with IWA MS for a decade plus which I believe is one of the bigger draws of powerbomb being the SMV archive, and also unlike 99% of other promotions IWA MS has no care for good will or good PR and I assume given the situation Elgins probably charging cheaper

>>5967994
That his assholish behavior isn't why he's lost bookings it's that it is very public
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:10:00 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967990
>Why is PowerbombTV scared of Ian Rotten in any way?
Only Vin Gerard can answer that at this point but apparently the Ian Rotten deal was negotiated thru Smart Mark Video and for whatever reason, Gerard felt that pissing off Rotten would ruin the whole deal with SMV's library

>>5967989
supposedly he beat his ex wife, Chrissy Rivera. She and other wrestlers have said on twitter that it happened. Not really sure what his marriage with Jessica Havok is like but she also's got her own fair share of bad press when all the N word jokes she tweeted got re-surfaced during her NXT tryout.

I can't believe people want to die on the hill of Elgin, Callihan, Shlak, Ian Rotten and Jessica Havok. They could all be easily replaced. For fuck's sake, even Hulk Hogan said "I'm sorry."

Have any of them apologized for screenshots and photos of stuff they definitely said and did? If you fuck up because you were young, dumb white trash, just fucking apologize, instead of doubling down on "muh persecution complex."
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Chainsaw Charlie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:10:05 EST ID:IdORP9Kz No.5968007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967989
Supposedly he was abusive towards his ex-wife Chrissy Rivera. Its one of those stories that have been floating around the indy scene for years but Chrissy has never spoken or addressed the situation publicly, which is probably why its never effects his career.
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Naomichi Marufuji - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:11:03 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5968008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968002
>domestic abuse and cheating on his ex Chrissy Rivera
oh wow that sure is aberrant behavior for a pro wrestler let me get my fainting couch because of how strange it is

please don't tell me there's wrestlers doing cocaine or steroids or drinking, too
that would be as shocking as finding out something crazy like wrestling being fake
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Rick Steiner - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:11:56 EST ID:Ga3/W5Di No.5968010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol can you imagine giving a fuck about any of this
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Beastie - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:14:19 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968008
I'm pretty much arguing in favor of what you're saying brother

>>5968007
She apparently has many times but always deletes it as to not get blackballed
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MVP - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:15:40 EST ID:II9JapFT No.5968016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968010
Actually it's about ethics in junkies killing themselves for my amusements
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:20:37 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968002
>That his assholish behavior isn't why he's lost bookings it's that it is very public
Yeah I'm in agreement with you. When you make it very pubic, you make it worse for the business

And Vin Gerard is a fucking idiot for not just avoiding the headache altogether and following AAW, SMASH, AIW and Limitless' lead. According to Lash, they were under no contractual obligation to air the match and Ian was even willing at some point to not air the match as long as he got paid.

Vin Gerard for whatever reason, chose the most complicated solution where he sides with Ian Rotten over his business partner.

If Gerard can manage the relationships with Beyond, AIW, Nova Pro, Preston, lucha indies, IWA MS, etc by himself and live stream 52 events this year all by himself, good luck.
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Kurt Angle - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:35:34 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5967990
>What are the odds of Rich Swann being met with this same type of fire and fiery once he's back on the indies?
Pretty low. I mean, he's still with Su Yung. I really think this issue is personal between Elgin and the girl stirring the pot and for some reason, she's going to devote her life to preventing Elgin from making money. No one seems to care much about any other workers accused of sexual assault, let alone the friends/trainers of the accused. Look at the tweet in OP. It's been up for 3 days and only like 20 people commented on it, showing their support of a boycott. Who knows if these people were already subscribed or were considering subscribing in the first place? Wrestling promoters are overestimating the power of one squeaky wheel on Twitter...
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Dino Bravo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:50:19 EST ID:ycYJUHqs No.5968047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968023
so people should have their careers and livelihoods ruined because "it's a headache"
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:13:02 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968047
Elgin fucked up. People don't want to deal with him. What is so hard to grasp?

Do you think WWE should have stood by Enzo even though he didn't tell them he was being investigated by the police?

People are under no obligation to work with you if you're a professional dumpster fire
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Cibernético - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:41:20 EST ID:4cSxXQp1 No.5968090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968068
You're not grasping the situation. It's about a boycott of a streaming service. It's about how this boycott hurts not Mike Elgin, but indie promoters the world over. It's about not punishing AIW, Nova Pro, and other companies that have no input or control over this situation, just to spite Big Mike or Ian Rotten.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:44:02 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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mess
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Timothy Well - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:44:55 EST ID:S5lxbix2 No.5968095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968068
Those are two hugely different situations, though. One victim went to the police and there is an ongoing investigation that Enzo didn't tell his employer about. Mike's just a dickhead behind the scenes.
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Teddy Hart - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:46:38 EST ID:L1p3yFsh No.5968098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968095
Really? Because people here sure were acting like it was the same thing.
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Bill Alfonos - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:47:49 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5968100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968094

So did he delete his twitter or is there a way to temporarily make it look deleted?
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Cherry - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:50:06 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5968102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968068
do you think what Elgin did is the worst thing an active pro wrestler has ever done?

this whole thing reeks of a witchunt mob.
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Primo - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 18:59:23 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968090
> It's about not punishing AIW, Nova Pro, and other companies that have no input or control over this situation, just to spite Big Mike or Ian Rotten.

its survival of the fittest man. if protecting AIW, Beyond, Nova Pro, A1, Black Label and the the rest means sacrificing Elgin & Rotten, then fuck em. Ian Rotten has always been trash and Elgin's personal life is a mess. What is lost by dropping them?

Take away all the accusations and rumor, what is certifiably true was that Elgin, as promoter and trainer, completely botched a sensitive situation in the worst way possible. He has to accept professional repercussions from that mistake.

If Mo Malone is 100% lying psycho, then Elgin can lawyer up and shut her up. For now, it is clearly a mess he made worse and he needs to be quarantined until he can be acquitted. Maybe Elgin should go to police and report harassment? Maybe Elgin should sue for slander?

Lash has been airing all sorts of convos that reveal that he was feeling weird about airing the match; he literally says "i don't want to be the first to bring him back and be the cautionary tale" https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963515854926286849

He just wanted to avoid the drama.

This has nothing to do with Standing Up for Michael Elgin. This is about Vin Gerard bizarrely ignoring his business partner's concerns with bad PR and dying on the hill of owing Ian Rotten $200.

Gerard's attempt to placate fucking Ian Rotten of all people has backfired, more people now know that Vin was trying to lowkey make money off of Elgin at a time when Elgin is seen as a toxic presence at wrestling shows.

If PowerbombTV falls apart now, its going to affect Beyond, AIW, Nova, Preston, Freelance Wrestling and more, and all because Vin Gerard sided with Ian Rotten over his business partner.

This is Dixie Carter keeping Vince Russo secretly-employed levels of "what the fuck are you DOING?"
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Douglas Williams - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:01:10 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5968109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only reason I ever gave a shit about Powerbomb.TV is because of Beyond, AIW and the possibility of GCW. Most of the other promotions are just random indies that I have no interest in.

I didn't even care much prior to this because Beyond already had the YouTube thing going, but when YouTube stopped doing subscription-based channels, Beyond needed a new home.

I don't know why SmartMarkVideo doesn't just get their own pivotshare account or something. I'm so tired of SJ Dubs ruining everything I enjoy.

All I want is a full back catalog of shows from promotions I care about that I can binge. If it's this much of a headache, SMV just needs to get their own service so they can host all of their content with wrestlers like Elgin and SHLAK that they've been promoting for years. If the SJ Dubs are going to make THIS BIG of a fuss over Elgin and likely would make an EVEN BIGGER fuss about SHLAK if Powerbomb got GCW, then it's not worth it. Never bow to them. I will never buy a subscription service if they started editing out matches. I want the full experience. If Powerbomb gets to the point that they can't provide that, SMV needs to take their promotions elsewhere or host their own service.
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:01:18 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968102
>do you think what Elgin did is the worst thing an active pro wrestler has ever done?

No one ever said it was the worst thing ever. If promoters think "you're too toxic to deal with right now" then. oh well.

Elgin isn't 100% innocent in his situation getting as bad as it did. He let this drama spill out everywhere and affect other people. Cut him loose. He's an anchor.
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:02:18 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968098
Enzo allegedly raped some Woman. Elgin didn't take immediate action against nothing but someones word and told her to go to proper authorities about being sexually assaulted, commenced their sexual relationship from before and the woman decided to leak everything because she didn't want any investigation to happen from the police she only wanted to ruin somebodies life
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:08:46 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968111
>commenced their sexual relationship from before
and this is why he's a fucking idiot. If she's nothing more than a lying rat, Elgin put his promotion, his school, his NJPW booking, and his marriage on the line for a lying rat who screams "rape" And then sent her shit-talking on the record.

If she was such a basketcase, she should have been kicked out, not invited back to any of the shows, CUT OFF ALL TIES. Also Ms Chif is hotter anyway
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Roxxi Laveaux - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:10:37 EST ID:S5lxbix2 No.5968118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968098
Haha, the fuck you want me to say to that? Yeah, really, those are two completely different situations.
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:11:20 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968116
I'm sure he didn't except a rat claiming rape based on thin air to get any traction but hey, that's how Social media is now
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Don Muraco - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:17:16 EST ID:4cSxXQp1 No.5968124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968107
>completely botched a sensitive situation in the worst way possible. He has to accept professional repercussions from that mistake.
And he already has. Cherry is right. You're treating this like a witch hunt. "Worst way possible"? You're acting like this was a Benoit situation. Give me a break.

You can't stop but put the focus on Elgin. You can't even entertain the notion that he's paid his due. Acquitted? Who decides that? Is he not acquitted until he's burned at the stake? His punishment so far more than fits the crime.

All the while, you'll let indie promotions around the world suffer because a guy "who botched a sensitive situation" dare go to work on a Thursday night.

Get some perspective.
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Albert - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:17:59 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5968126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Adam Lash was future endeavored
Good
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:18:57 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963549406015475712
>There's no contract. None whatsoever.
>The only person any of us spoke to from IWA directly was Nick Maniwa and the guy that handles their production. Nothing was ever signed, we never committed to the February 15th date, we told @smartmarkvideo that we WEREN'T streaming that date but he never bothered to tell IWA.
>My guess is @smartmarkvideo always intended to pressure us into streaming February 15th and assumed all of us would fall in line. That's how he does business and why he continues to work with known racists, etc.
>The decision to do this likely was at @smartmarkvideo's urging, as he blocked my number, my email address, and blocked me on all social media at the same time as @PowerbombTV. He'd had @vingerard's ear and began dealing exclusively through him after the new year out of the blue.

https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963513688346054661
>Again, any claim that we had a legal obligation to stream IWA is incorrect. Whether @vingerard is lying to @prograpslady or she is making it up to protect her friend, there is absolutely no truth to this. Ian even agreed to not let us stream as long as we still paid him.

LOL IWA MS
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:26:49 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968124
>You can't even entertain the notion that he's paid his due.
I don't care about Michael Elgin. If he is hounded by controversy for the rest of his career, I don't care. I subscribe to PBTV and would have been fine with them not airing his match or not airing the show or even cutting ties with IWA MS. Because fuck Ian Rotten. He's not worth it in 2018.

>Acquitted? Who decides that? Is he not acquitted until he's burned at the stake? His punishment so far more than fits the crime.
Man, if promotions don't want to deal with him, its not my problem. It's Michael Elgin's problem.

Having cheap access to AIW, Beyond, Nova Pro, Freelance, Preston City, BLP, lucha and more in a way that helps all those promotions > Michael Elgin & Ian Rotten

Vin Gerard made the situation worse by sticking by Elgin & Ian Rotten. Adam Lash was the one who put most of those deals together. If they fall apart without him than PBTV is worthless as a service and its all because Ian Rotten. It's FloSlam 2.0
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Gangrel - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:30:00 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5968137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968130
So a wrestler can be hounded out the business for doing far less worse than many people still in it and that's ok because you're not personally a fan?

I've never even seen an Elgin match, and I think this whole thing against him is a scapegoating attempt.
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:40:18 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968137
I'm not a promoter, if you're so concerned about his career, email the guys who run AAW

> and that's ok because you're not personally a fan?
If standing by him means sinking a product that benefitted several indie promotions, then yes. Get rid of him. He's one guy. Not worth it. Sorry. Welcome to capitalism.
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Edge - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:43:44 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5968152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vin Gerard deleted his Twitter account.

Quite frankly I hope they drop both Elgin and Rotten/IWA-MS. The latter still bothers me more than the former.
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Tony Mamaluke - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:48:57 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968161 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968130
>I don't care about Michael Elgin.
Based on your post history, we can all tell that's a lie.

>If he is hounded by controversy for the rest of his career, I don't care. I subscribe to PBTV and would have been fine with them not airing his match or not airing the show or even cutting ties with IWA MS. Because fuck Ian Rotten. He's not worth it in 2018.
It's interesting the way you phrased this. What if he gets booked on a show without controversy? What if gets booked outside of IWA and no one calls for a boycott of that show, and it gets streamed without even having to question it? Would you still not care?

>It's Michael Elgin's problem.
It's not Michael Elgin's problem when "AIW, Beyond, Nova Pro, Freelance, Preston City, BLP, lucha and more" are losing money because of this petty feud between a nobody on twitter and Elgin.
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:02:57 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968161
>Based on your post history, we can all tell that's a lie.
I care about Powerbomb TV. I care about the indies. I supported FloSlam and that was a disaster, I was hoping this time it would be different.

>What if he gets booked on a show without controversy?
But he's not getting booked anywhere else. It's basically just Ian Rotten and New Japan that are sticking by him (and there's no indication that NJPW are going to renew his contract)
>What if gets booked outside of IWA and no one calls for a boycott of that show, and it gets streamed without even having to question it?
But that's not happening. Naito's US tour is this weekend and it's been put together by Elgin & Callihan. If their real life drama ruins the thrill of seeing Naito on these shows, then it's their fault for attracting that kind of controversy.

NJPW doesn't give a fuck about what he did. I'm not canceling my subscription to NJWorld. If this controversy did not go away and NJPW got dragged into it, they would absolutely cut Elgin in a heartbeat, and I still wouldn't cancel my subscription.

>Would you still not care?
I just want to watch fucking wrestling without stupid personal drama. I don't care that Benoit will never go into the HOF, I don't care if they quietly remove Jimmy Snuka and Fabulous Moolah. I don't care if Enzo Amore never works again. I don't care if Dixie Carter loses her Panda Energy fortune. I don't care Vince McMahon flops with the XFL and loses his fortune. I know wrestling is filled with scumbags and liars. As long as they're not up in my face making it obvious they're rapists or racists or wife beaters or animal abusers or child molesters, all I can do is watch what I like and hope its free from real-life-drama. If someone brings their real life drama and distracts from the show: GET RID OF THEM

> "AIW, Beyond, Nova Pro, Freelance, Preston City, BLP, lucha and more" are losing money because of this petty feud between a nobody on twitter and Elgin.
then its time to cut Elgin loose.
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Tony Mamaluke - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:24:37 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968178
> just want to watch fucking wrestling without stupid personal drama.
You say this and yet you keep posting on here about stupid personal drama.

>this treatise about Michael Elgin
lol. You obviously care very much about him, and you want him to suffer even if it means indie wrestling suffers.

How in the world could this distract you from a Naito match? It's like you're looking for any excuse to get worked up over something you "don't care" about. You know what you can do to show you don't care? Don't. Just don't care. Just watch wrestling. Don't make posts on message boards about the drama. Looking back at this thread, it seems like you're incapable of doing that. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, though. Just hide this thread if you don't care and post in the Puro tube thread or something.

>then its time to cut Elgin loose.
They don't have him on the hook, so they can't cut him loose. The whole problem, which you are ignoring in favor of focusing on Elgin, is that these companies would get hurt financially from the boycott that Elgin haters are calling for even though they have nothing to do with him or the situation.
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:45:26 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968208
>Just watch wrestling.
but If I wanted to watch PBTV, it becomes impossible to avoid the drama. The drama affects the quality of the service. And if the service fails to address the drama properly, then the service suffers and ruins my enjoyment.

>The whole problem, which you are ignoring in favor of focusing on Elgin, is that these companies would get hurt financially from the boycott that Elgin haters are calling for even though they have nothing to do with him or the situation.
But if the PBTV service falls apart b/c its owners couldn't agree on how to handle the Elgin situation, then it affects all those promotions.

How would Beyond or AIW have suffered financially IF they stopped booking Elgin to avoid dealing with protests? Is AIW losing money now that they have avoid booking Michael Elgin?
How would PBTV suffer if they didn't show Elgin's match? In what way would it have brought financial harm to them, to just not touch his controversy with a 10 foot pole?

I'm confused: is this boycott actually powerful or not? are they just whiners who don't spend a dollar on wrestling or are they actually powerful enough to have an impact? Are the Michael Elgin fans going to sign up for PBTV now? Are they in greater numbers than the complainers?

It's not even about the Elgin drama specifically, but that Powerbomb TV which was something I was genuinely excited for and thought was doing a great thing for the indies might have just self destructed. For Ian Rotten.
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:55 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968221
>It's not even about the Elgin drama specifically, but that Powerbomb TV which was something I was genuinely excited for and thought was doing a great thing for the indies might have just self destructed. For Ian Rotten.
it works both ways, just like those "boycotters" think they're doing what's right so do Ian Rotten and Powerbomb, if you don't want to lose powerbomb then tough shit really man, SMV and inherently IWA MS are a big part of that and they seem to be taking a stance on this just like the others
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Tony Mamaluke - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:57:58 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968229 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968221
>but If I wanted to watch PBTV, it becomes impossible to avoid the drama.
No it doesn't. Turn it on. Watch wrestling. Enjoy knowing you don't have to lie to yourself about not wanting to get caught up in "avoiding drama" because you're watching wrestling. It's really that easy.

>How would Beyond or AIW have suffered financially...
It's literally in the OP. Ask John Thorne of AIW yourself if you need clarification:
>Everyone is entitled to their opinions on the Powerbombtv situation however canceling is not the answer you will hurt many promotions not 1.
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:12:32 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968229
Adam Lash, the guy that got fired, had a huge hand in shaping PBTV as a product. Securing deals with the indies, getting the word out on marketing, doing goodwill gestures like giving floslam customer trial periods after FS collapsed.

Vin Gerard was given two options: Ian Rotten or the guy who brought Beyond, Black Label and lucha to the table -- and he told the second guy to fuck off.

>>5968226
> just like those "boycotters" think they're doing what's right so do Ian Rotten and Powerbomb
If you're on Ian Rotten's side in an argument: You're on the wrong side.
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:16:31 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968242
explain how siding with the person being pushed out of his work based on lies would be wrong over picking the side perpetuating lies to destroy a mans career
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Michael Kovac - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:41:46 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5968270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968247
but cmon
Ian Rotten!
he's Rotten!
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:50:12 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968247
>lies
what "lies" are you referring to? genuinely asking. Elgin and Mo admitted they had an affair, even after she came to him about Orleans.

Also are you familiar with Ian Rotten's history?
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 21:56:29 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968288
> genuinely asking. Elgin and Mo admitted they had an affair, even after she came to him about Orleans
this doesn't equal covering up sexual harassment, this clearly throws rape out the window too as they had a relationship afterwards which are the claims about Elgin causing this mess

>Also are you familiar with Ian Rotten's history?
?
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Repo Man - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:00:13 EST ID:YtDWdwxd No.5968304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5968221
>then the service suffers and ruins my enjoyment.
You could avoid that entirely by canceling your sub and pirating. Since I started using torrents I've found that I can actually enjoy movies again without going into autistic fits over who's blowing who in a Fox Studios broom closet.
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Shuri - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:01:36 EST ID:IdORP9Kz No.5968307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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By God this has really become a shit-storm of biblical proportions and the real kicker to all this chaos is that Elgin's opponent for the show isn't some indy superstar or bright up-an-comer, its "RAGING BULL" MANNY FERNANDEZ! Finally the dream match becomes a reality!

PowerbombTV fired their co-creator, ruined their public reputation, and possibly sunk their entire company all to stream a match with a 63 year old man, only in this crazy world of wrestling. I for one hope this turns out to be a 5-star barnburner or at the very least a new, modern day Gypsy Joe vs New Jack
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:12:32 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968300
>this doesn't equal covering up sexual harassment, this clearly throws rape out the window too as they had a relationship afterwards which are the claims about Elgin causing this mess
do you actually know what the case is about? read up >>5966177
Elgin fucking her even after she said she was raped by Sean Orleans doesn't disprove anything.

also
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/other-wrestling/618043-why-do-people-hate-ian-rotten.html
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2008/0805/335805shtml/
http://www.power-wrestling.de/forum/around-the-world/the-verbal-assassination-of-ian-rotten-6594
https://youtu.be/0jb2ImmiVRg
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:20:21 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968321
Everyone is claiming he covered up sexual assault, there is no proof to this in fact he told her to go the police and she refused and then recommenced a sexual relationship with him, please stop shitposting as if him being a meanie poopie head is the complaints against him and why he's being blackballed, she was never raped as you keep trying to force, unless you think there's no difference between sexual assault and rape

I don't give a fuck about Ian Rottens character, the fact that your argument is Ian Rotten bad = always wrong is laughable, if we want to play the attack character game then the woman actually involved has far more to lose here
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:29:17 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968397 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968304
>steal from the indies
come on

>>5968330
I don't know what you'r so upset about, if you care this much about Elgin's career, then sign up fro PBTV and support his match this thursday. someone is finally standing up for him: Vin Gerard.
And it immediately led to people cancelling their subscriptions and the guy who gathered the best shows on the service getting fired.
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Chainz - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:38:47 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968400 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968397
why would you even reply if you had no response?
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:53:20 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968407 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://twitter.com/newfoundmass/status/963614941390495745
>When I co-founded Powerbomb.tv it was meant to be the antithesis of every other streaming, distribution and production company involved in professional wrestling at the time. It was meant to be a company that had a conscience and above all did the right thing. It was these principles that guided the company, helping to establish a good reputation amongst both people in the professional wrestling business and, most importantly, the fans themselves. We didn't have the money backing that FloSports, WWN Live, or the rest of our competitors had, but we had the passion for independent wrestling and a genuine desire to help it grow.

>In November of 2017 we began our deal with Smart Mark Video. As part of that deal we began getting IWA Mid-South content. IWA had by that point earned a pretty bad reputation, and with good reason. Still, owner Ian Rotten had a young crop of talent that I felt deserved a spotlight. As live streaming became more and more important to our business model the idea to stream IWA events became a topic of discussion. This was before the Michael Elgin situation unfolded, mind you. I felt, because we would be putting more eyes on IWA than had been on them in the last decade, and believing that I had the backing of Smart Mark Video owner Mike Burns, that we'd be able to make Ian behave while giving talent the exposure they deserved. Unfortunately, on all accounts, I was wrong.

>By the time the Michael Elgin situation had blown up we'd already hammered out a deal with IWA, using Mike Burns and Smart Mark Video as the middle man. At no point did any of us involved with Powerbomb.tv speak to Ian Rotten directly. The only communication we had with anyone involved with IWA was Nick "Maniwa" Glenn and IWA's video editor. Despite what Gerard Durling and Powerbomb.tv claims, we never signed any contract with Ian Rotten or IWA.

>As everyone else canceled Elgin from their events, IWA announced him for an upcoming event. Gerard and I spoke, and we agreed that we would stream IWA as planned, but that we would NOT stream any event featuring Michael Elgin. In hindsight it's not something I am proud of, and I wish I'd used my power to put an end to the deal right then and there, but I thought that if we could at least avoid streaming and legitimizing Elgin, we could give the talent the spotlight they deserved, as we'd originally intended. I accept all criticism anyone has for this decision, I'm not perfect and have made many mistakes.

>Gerard, the co-founder of Powerbomb.tv, began go back and forth on whether or not we should stream Michael Elgin throughout January and early February. For weeks leading up to today's events we'd argued over it. While i cannot confirm this, I believe that it was Mike Burns who was putting into Gerard's head that we should stream Elgin. Again, to show how imperfect I am, I too at one point gave up and consented to Elgin being allowed on the stream as long as we didn't advertise him at all. I was sick of arguing and explaining over and over to Gerard and Burns why we could not stream him. I couldn't understand why we were even still arguing over it. I just wanted to move on and focus on something positive. Without going into too much detail, I've been dealing with several health issues as well as being forced from my home, and the stress of it all was just getting too much for me to handle. Again, not my proudest moment. I deserve any and all criticism for this moment of weakness.

>Less than 24 hours later though a concerted, funded campaign began to hit Twitter, Youtube, and Tumblr attacking the woman at the heart of the Michael Elgin situation. I again insisted to Gerard and Burns that we could not, under any circumstances, stream Michael Elgin. His role and the initial treatment of the alleged victim was bad enough, but a funded campaign to attack and harass them was enough to give me my second wind on the issue. To a lesser extent, his threat of physical violence towards myself also played a role in this, as he had told others he was going to assault me because I was a vocal supporter on Twitter of the the alleged victim. Again Gerard agreed with me that we could not and would not stream Michael Elgin. Indeed a day before IWA's first live stream, when IWA began to advertise a mystery opponent, and Gerard and I were concerned that it was Elgin, Gerard even said that he would call and have the building pull the internet that we had paid and had installed at the venue if the mystery opponent was Elgin. We were both relieved to find out that Elgin was in Japan and was not the mystery opponent.

>One final issue came up before the first live stream. IWA had already started to advertise that Michael Elgin would be on the second date that we'd planned to stream on. Gerard and I, at this point still being on the same page, agreed we wouldn't stream that event and would stream a different event instead, as we'd asked IWA to be able to stream two events a month. This was relayed to Mike Burns, who was supposed to relay it to Ian Rotten because, again, no one from Powerbomb.tv was in direct contact with Ian Rotten. Imagine our surprise then as IWA announced, during the first live stream, that we'd be streaming the February 15th event featuring Michael Elgin.
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Disco Inferno - Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:54:55 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5968408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968407
>The day after the arguments began again about whether we would stream Michael Elgin or not. And the arguments continued up until Friday, February 9th. I did everything I could to try and prevent Elgin from appearing on a live Powerbomb.tv stream, even compromising that we'd stream the event and either take an intermission during his match or have the match go on after the stream was over. All told, over the last month, I probably spent nearly 20 hours arguing against streaming Michael Elgin. I used every argument I could make; I argued the moral reasons, I argued the business reasons, and in desperation I even tried to argue that we shouldn't be the first person to stream Elgin post scandal even if he eventually salvaged his image. I wrote emails, I exchanged text messages, I made phone calls. And yes, I offered a compromise of streaming the event minus the Elgin match itself. All of my suggestions were shot down, ultimately, and on Friday, February 9th in an email to a couple of our mutual friends and myself Gerard stated we'd "probably" be streaming Elgin on the 15th. Attempts to speak to Gerard after that email were ignored, my calls were sent to voice mail and my texts were not responded to. It is at that point I took the issue public and over the weekend took to Twitter.

>I believed, with all my heart, that all of the good will and the positive community we'd built would be severely hurt if we streamed Michael Elgin. I tweeted out, on my personal account, a plea for fans to tell my partners that they didn't want to support a company that legitimized Michael Elgin, that brought him back in from the cold. While my partners continued to ignore my texts or calls, I continued my plea in hopes that we'd avert what I believed to be a terrible mistake. During all this, on Saturday, I went to the ER due to chest pains, after having gone to the ER earlier in the week after experiencing them while shoveling snow. I was kept in the hospital from Saturday until late Monday, when I checked myself out against doctors advice. My doctors believed that the stress I'd been dealing with, between my health issues, my housing issues, and now these issues, was causing my already high blood pressure to sky rocket.

>I woke up Tuesday, today, to emails telling me that all Powerbomb.tv passwords had been changed, that I'd been removed as an admin on the Powerbomb.tv Facebook page, and even the passwords for personal accounts of mine that were used for Powerbomb.tv stuff had been changed. The Powerbomb.tv Twiter account had blocked me, Gerard had blocked me on all social media, Mike Burns had blocked me on all social media, and they'd blocked my number. I tweeted about what was going down, and then received an email telling me that they'd severed ties with me. As co-founder and co-owner, I was locked out of the company I helped found, and was offered no compensation for the year that I'd put into the company. All because I took a stand against streaming Michael Elgin. Regardless of what they claim, that's what it boiled down to. Years of friendship, and a promising, amazing company, all thrown down the drain because Gerard and Burns were too cowardly to take a stand.

>Gerard and company have told people that they are contractually obligated to stream the event on Thursday featuring Michael Elgin. That is not true, there was no contract between IWA or Ian Rotten and Powerbomb.tv, at least not before February 9th. Contractual obligations were never a part of the discussion, and indeed, Ian was okay with us not streaming the event as long as he was paid for the event regardless. In addition, Paul Couture, Powerbomb.tv's developer, has lied to people on Twitter saying that as long as they don't watch any IWA content that IWA will receive no compenstation. Again, this is a lie: IWA is compensated through the deal Powerbomb.tv made with Smart Mark Video, they are paid regardless of how much their content is watched. In addition, IWA is paid a flat fee for the live stream itself, regardless of whether or not a subscriber watches it. Paul made these lies without acknowledging that he is the developer of Powerbomb.tv.

>There is much more I can say and indeed, I am not perfect in all this. I will take any blame where it is due. I am an opinionated, passionate person. I am not the easiest person to deal with, I admit. I also compromised myself more than I want to admit, I am not perfect, and I will have to come to grips with that personally. I put my heart into that company though. From the actual name, to the ethos that we operated under, that was my vision and my heart. Powerbomb.tv was my love letter to independent wrestling, to the fans that I will always identify with, and professional wrestling as a whole. It breaks my heart that it lost it's way. It breaks my heart that my friends, people who called me their family, betrayed me. I did what I believed was the right thing. I accept that many will disagree my actions and respect their opinion. Right now though, I've checked myself back into the hospital and am going to take care of myself, and that is my main concern. All those who have supported me, it means the world to me. I love you all and I love and believe in the best parts of independent wrestling, even if independent wrestling doesn't believe in me. Thank you.
> Adam Lash
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Dave Prazak - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 02:39:26 EST ID:h7avyFlN No.5968463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968407
>>5968408

lol
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MsChif - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 02:46:04 EST ID:wfgzIc7W No.5968469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968408
>Years of friendship, and a promising, amazing company, all thrown down the drain because Gerard and Burns were too cowardly to take a stand.

But they took a stand, they just did not stand up for what he believed in. That's the corre of the issue.
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Golga - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:00:14 EST ID:iMCHy+t5 No.5968476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5968407
>>5968408

FUCKING ELGIN
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:01:38 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5968478 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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We all breathe the same air as people that are accused or convicted rapists. Since rapists are bad we should refrain from associating ourselves with the things they do, I guess that means we should kill ourselves. That is the lesson I'm taking from all this.

This is so tiresome. People will give people shit for working with Elgin, then people will give the people who worked with the people who worked with Elgin shit (as confusing as that sounds). Shit like this is just gonna snowball: Theoretically nobody is going to be able to do anything anymore via some crazy "6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon" shit
>Oh you worked with him, who worked with him, who worked with her, who worked with him, who was seen in the same Walmart as her, who worked with Michael Elgin? Oh then I'm sorry we can't hire you.

I think it should be reiterated that this Mo Malone person never went to the police when nothing his stopping her. So this is people losing jobs/bookings, one way or another, over something that isn't proven or even properly investigated.
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Scott Lost - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 04:00:07 EST ID:U3yYrf7I No.5968490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968469
>corre
i saw that you fucking disgusting bitch
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Albert - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 05:48:46 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5968507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I havent really given too much of a shit about Ian's 20 minute promos for a few years now, but I cannot wait to hear what he has to say tonight. Maybe Big Mike will shoot as well. Glad Powerbomb is streaming it.
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Cary Silkin - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 05:50:13 EST ID:8BKKUtoA No.5968508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Ignoring all the business leading up to it, Lash's work getting indie lucha on their service was the only reason to care about pbtv. Dude genuinely loves wrestling. Doubt they'll last long without him.
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Dick the Bruiser - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:29:28 EST ID:fbXyMEWJ No.5968525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This Adam Lashley has a martyr complex
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Dick the Bruiser - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:29:28 EST ID:fbXyMEWJ No.5968526 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This Adam Lashley has a martyr complex
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Douglas Williams - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:33:40 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5968527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968508

I just don't understand why SMV can't get their own streaming service where they can put up whatever they want and not have to deal with SJ Dubs trying to ruin it for everyone.

All I want is GCW and Beyond's entire catalog uploaded and unedited. I don't want anyone getting the Benoit treatment where it's like "oh, if you want to see Elgin or SHLAK's match you'll have to buy the DVD!".
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Michael Kovac - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:12:35 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5968531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968528
I wish cage had Johnny promotion's glasses still.
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Albert - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:16:50 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5968532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968528
You can see him live on Powerbomb TV
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Daniel Puder - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:28:17 EST ID:SboeiYTC No.5968535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968469
Gerard did take a stand, For Ian Rotten.

I am stunned that he would sink his entire business and jeopardize Beyond, Black Label, Nova Pro and Black Terry Jr's incomes by choosing IAN ROTTEN over the guy who put all those deals together.

The blowback of telling Rotten and Elgin to fuck off would have so much less trouble than letting the situation getting out out of hand. Now Mo Malone is going to go after them "enabling" Elgin.

Just stop booking him and tell him to get his shit sorted with a lawyer.
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Ken Patera - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:34:43 EST ID:NzPxwPs2 No.5968536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968407
>>5968408

Difficult to feel bad for him. He chose the wrong hill to die on. He want to blacklist someone for refusing to blacklist someone else based on a he said she said situation. That was dumb.
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tHURTeen - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:38:38 EST ID:L1p3yFsh No.5968537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968535
Ya know what pisses me off the most? This six degrees of rapist is enough to cause shit to start raining down on Rotten... but the fact he paid wrestling in pain pills and for all intensive purposes got them killed? Eh, who cares.
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Colonel DeBeers - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:39:05 EST ID:hNdNLcQ5 No.5968538 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Can someone explain to me why this person isn't getting everyone to boycott NJPW World who is hiring him as well?
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Muhammad Hassan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:42:02 EST ID:7ofY/vD5 No.5968539 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968469
Realistically, they didn't take a stand in either direction. Taking a stand would be outright saying "we're going to stream elgin matches despite the allegations". Saying you have to stream it because you're contractually obigated (whether true or not) is not taking a stand. That's making excuses.
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Michael Kovac - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:43:19 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5968541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968536
not supporting witch hunts is a sure sign of being a witch
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Sable - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:58:09 EST ID:4PWroQrY No.5968563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968535
This seems like a case of Adam Lash working himself into a shoot. Blowing a non problem way out of proportion. Who is sinking relationships? He, one of the owners of PBTV, is telling his customers and potential customers to boycott his service, costing him and his partners money. I wouldn't want to work with that guy, either...

Why is he doing it? Cause a dozen people on Twitter still don't like Mike Elgin?

Like airing a show you were always going to air isn't taking a stand. That's just status quo. People trying to organize a boycott, to spite Michael Elgin at the cost of the health of indie wrestling, is the real problem.
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:15:31 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5968567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968563
>at the cost of the health of indie wrestling
that's an exaggeration.

Elgin is just one guy and easily replaceable. If you want to keep getting booked, don't let your assholish/scummy behavior leak out and make you look bad.

Elgin could have avoided of all this if he kept his dick in his pants.
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Sable - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:40:47 EST ID:4PWroQrY No.5968573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968567
You really have no idea what the hubbub is about, do you? It has nothing to do with who Elgin had sex with. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe people really think Elgin assaulted this woman...

Also, companies like AIW have control over who IWA books. AIW gets hurt from a boycott.
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Tony Mamaluke - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:54:22 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968573
And AIW shouldn't expect the owner of their streaming service to encourage a boycott, either. LOL
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Sylvain Grenier - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:57:56 EST ID:YLYsXvy2 No.5968581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968573

Elgin wouldn't have been involved in any of this had he not stuck his dick in crazy. He's made his bed, fuck him. Especially for cheating on a respected wrestler he had a kid with just to stick his dick in crazy, fuck him again.
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ProWresBlog - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:34 EST ID:SBN8Afas No.5968583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think it's comical that the same people who would have been kept from ever stepping into the ring by vets are trying to do their own backslappers club by blackballing Elgin.
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Douglas Williams - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:59:57 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5968584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968563

This.

People need to calm down. We've got a good thing going here and they're trying to ruin it because they're delusional enough into thinking that the wrestling business or any profession should only allow good, wholesome, upstanding citizens to work. That's asinine. If I was Gerard, I'd stand by my word. People can piss off and unsubscribe if they want, but I doubt it's really that many people.

Just offer them a great service that they can't turn down. Before long, they'll be coming back with their tails between their legs. You wanna know why no one complains about NJPW booking Elgin? Because people love them too much and can't stay away.
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Albert - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:21:09 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5968594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968538
That would mean they have to give up something they like. Lol. Nearly every person on twitter unsubscribing has references to New Japan in their bio or name.
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:20:23 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5968621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968573
>You really have no idea what the hubbub is about, do you? It has nothing to do with who Elgin had sex with
Elgin is a shithead who brought his personal life drama into his workplace. At any other job, you'd lose your job for the amount of personal baggage he's burdened on promoters

If I was a promoter, I'd steer clear of him because he's not worth the hassle. There are other wrestlers that do his schtick better and are not shadowed by an annoying online lynch mob.
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:49:19 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5968638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fightful has learned that Elgin, real name Aaron Frobel filed a suit against accuser "Mo" in the state of Missouri on February 9.
>Exclusive: Powerbomb TV Fires Co-Founder Who Publicly Urged Them To Not Run Michael Elgin Appearance, IWA, Lash, Elgin's Accuser Speak
https://www.fightful.com/powerbomb-tv-fires-co-founder-who-publicly-urged-them-not-run-michael-elgin-appearance
>Powerbomb TV is embroiled in controversy after firing co-founder Adam Lash, who took issue with the company airing an event featuring Michael Elgin.

>Elgin, you may remember, has been out of favor with most in the wrestling world after a series of messages emerged that saw him trash a sexual assault victim's claims, as well as insulting his then-tag team partner Jeff Cobb. Elgin repeatedly attempted to discredit the woman after having a relationship of his own with her as well.

>Powerbomb TV is set to run an IWA-Mid South event that features Elgin on the card, which Lash took issue with publicly on Twitter earlier this week. According to Lash, he'd been making attempts for a month prior to get the Powerbomb service to cancel their stream of the event as soon as IWA Mid-South announced that Elgin would be a part of the show.

>On Tuesday, Powerbomb TV blocked Lash on Twitter, and changed their passwords. This didn't prevent Lash from staying logged into the accounts and retweeting several items of his choosing. Powerbomb also sent him an e-mail notifying him of his firing, which he published for the world to see.
>The reason given for the firing was that Powerbomb acts simply as a streaming service, with no input on the content the individual companies choose to provide on the events and that Lash's behavior was "repeatedly unprofessional." With Lash taking exception to Elgin's booking, Powerbomb indicated that it wasn't their call, instead IWA Mid South's.
>Powerbomb also released a statement of their own on Twitter.

>Powerbomb was a bit of a sweetheart in the wrestling streaming world after the announcement that FloSlam would cease operations. The service offered special deals for those that had existing memberships with FloSlam and gained much positive publicity for it. Responses to these set of tweets featured many opting to cancel their service with the provider.

>Lash would later claim that he's being denied compensation and ownership for the last 18 months of work he provided to Powerbomb. He'd later provide details of Powerbomb's pay structure, and accuses that Powerbomb TV is fearful that Smark Mark Video would kill their partnership with the service if they upset IWA Mid-South and booker/owner Ian Rotten along the way. Lash challenged the idea that promotions have carte blanche for content that is aired on the service. He also said that Powerbomb TV's Gerard Duling didn't understand why many were upset with Elgin.

>Lash alleges that he argued back and forth with the idea of not streaming any of Michael Elgin's matches, even though they'd come to terms with IWA Mid-South to run two of their events per month. After an internal discussion, Lash briefly gave in against his better judgment until additional accounts appeared online attacking Elgin's accuser. Instead, Lash pitched the idea of the service taking an intermission during his match, which was turned down. Instead an idea was presented to have a sign up code provided to contribute to charity for those who watched him, which Lash says would have defeated the purpose of not wanting Elgin on the service.
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 12:49:54 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5968639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968638
>Fightful contacted Elgin's accuser, Molly, for a comment on the matter. She seemed equally disappointed that New Japan Pro Wrestling hadn't terminated their relationship with Elgin:
“I’m disappointed in Powerbomb. I'm disappointed in NJPW. IWA booked Elgin BECAUSE of this situation. Ian Rotten was proud of supporting Elgin, calling me a ring rat who needed to know my place.IWA has stated that it's being streamed. They've promoted it is as such. Powerbombtv hasn't denied this, even though it's not listed on their page. In streaming this Powerbomb is giving him a platform. A wider reach. That idea is terrifying. It's when we start giving him leeway that people start to forget, he gets more bookings, he is exposed to more fans, more opportunities to abuse other women, regain power. Powerbomb is a small business. They answer to their subscribers, they're responsible to them. Part of that means keeping him off their live stream.

Why are they different to NJPW? It's not different in that one is less bad for putting his face on their screen. It's different in that NJPW actually has a contract with Elgin. They're a massive company who makes enough money that losing some US subscribers isn't going to be an issue. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight. But focusing attention on an attainable goal until that's achieved, often makes the bigger goal more attainable. I know that sounds like a bunch of nonsense, but I'm tired and cranky. Also, they fired Adam Lash, instead of addressing the actual issue of streaming Elgin. That's an attempt at silencing if I've ever seen one.”
>The 31-year old former ROH Champion in Elgin appeared last weekend at NJPW's New Beginning in Osaka shows.

>This is far from the first time IWA-Mid South has faced criticism, as Jim Cornette has publicly lambasted them for years as the catalyst of Kentucky's strict and often strange regulation of pro wrestling in Kentucky. IWA refused to comment on the matter, instead putting over their upcoming event:
“We have no comment on what is going on between Powerbomb TV and Adam Lash as that is their business. Our business is the put on the best content that we can for them to provide to their customers and we feel that having someone of the quality of wrestler that Michael Elgin is on our show taking on a true legend in the business and Manny Fernandez is what's best for our fans.”

>Fightful has reached out to Powerbomb TV, Smart Mark Video and Elgin who have not replied to our requests for comment. Fightful has learned that Elgin, real name Aaron Frobel filed a suit against accuser "Mo" in the state of Missouri on February 9.
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Tony Mamaluke - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:57:19 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968621
You keep missing the point. Boycotting PBTV is not hurting Elgin. He's wrestling. He's getting paid. It's hurting other indie promotions, promotions that have no control over what does and doesn't get streamed on PBTV.
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Rockin' Robin - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:05:20 EST ID:xU2HBdj6 No.5968680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968639

>She seemed equally disappointed that New Japan didn't bounce Big Mike

Does she realize women in Japan have like.. no rights?
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Jim Ross - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:15:48 EST ID:VK6af0zS No.5968690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i dont know what the fuck is going on anymore
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The Mantaur - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:22:19 EST ID:n0MsySuJ No.5968692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968690
Michael Elgin's side chick is crazy and is basically willing to try and burn down the entire independent scene to fuck him over.
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:26:52 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5968695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968677
>Boycotting PBTV is not hurting Elgin. He's wrestling. He's getting paid
And cutting Elgin's match from the broadcast does not hurt PBTV.

It is survival of the fittest, there is no loyalty in wrestling. There's no reason to hold onto Elgin at the expense of dragging all the other promotions down with him.

No one needs to rally around him. Associating with him is bad for business.

The only reason you're arguing not to punish him is because of your own perspective on his scandal. "He said, she said" doesn't matter when it comes to business. All that matters is "bad headlines."

Does Michael Elgin's name come with bad headlines? YES. So avoid him until he fixes it.
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Tony Mamaluke - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:49:24 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968695
It's like you're not even reading what I'm writing and you're just typing canned responses to points I'm not making. I don't know if you're a troll, you realize you have no way of backing up your argument so you're being obtuse or if you're just genuinely stupid.

In any case, I'll try to be as clear as I can so even you can understand. I'm arguing that boycotting PBTV doesn't punish him. Elgin wrestles and gets paid regardless. The guy who is promoting him gets paid regardless. The promotor of AIW argues that it punishes other indie wrestling promotions. What you're saying is not a counter argument because these other promotion are not "associating with him", nor do they have a say in what PBTV streams. The reason I'm presenting this argument to you is because I want indie wrestling to flourish.
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Chainz - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:01:45 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5968711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968695
>The only reason you're arguing not to punish him is because of your own perspective on his scandal. "He said, she said" doesn't matter when it comes to business. All that matters is "bad headlines."
IWA MS stopped caring about bad PR years ago and pretty much come in tandem with SMV, but if these boycotters want powerbomb to die then whatever I guess
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Nick Jackson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:11:07 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5968717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ON A VIDEO SERVICE THAT HAS SHOWN ELGIN
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:24:53 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5968722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968702
>I'm arguing that boycotting PBTV doesn't punish him. The guy who is promoting him gets paid regardless.
That clearly doesn't matter to the online mob. Ian Rotten isn't going to blink no matter how loud the protest gets. They can't punish Ian or Elgin, so the next step is try to punish PBTV.

>The promotor of AIW argues that it punishes other indie wrestling promotions.
And dropping Elgin removes the threat of boycott and keeps all the other promotions safe. If Elgin is dropped, there's no boycott and no other indies are caught in the crossfire.
>What you're saying is not a counter argument because these other promotion are not "associating with him"
But PBTV IS "associating with him" And if PBTV goes down, it affects the other promotions. Its a matter of self preservation.

Ian Rotten doesn't give a shit. New Japan doesn't give a shit. The online storm tried to intimidate PBTV into dropping Elgin because it is small enough to depend on good word of mouth. And honestly, at this moment in time, its better to just give in and drop him. If he's innocent, they can bring him back and hype it up. If he's guilty of something, they dodged a bullet. He definitely made his situation more complicated and messier, he let the scandal snowball.

This was a situation where Ian Rotten was going to drag PBTV into the Elgin mess and against all better judgement, they decided to self destruct instead of tell him - and SMV - to leave them out of the mess.

Vin Gerard didn't commit to anything; he didn't say "fuck off SJWs!" and he didn't say "don't drag me down with your white trash bullshit Ian!" He was wishy washy, non committal, deleted his twitter like a coward, refused to answer questions and ignored his partner, prompting his partner to flame out on social media because he was afraid of the blowback that was about to hit them.

What would have been the worst case scenario if PBTV dropped Elgin's match? They piss off Ian Rotten? Who cares!
Was Vin Gerard really scared of SMV pulling out of their deal? Do you think AIW and Ethan Page were going to be cool with losing new revenue streams because PBTV "offended" Ian Rotten. Telling Rotten & Elgin to fuck off was the smartest option and would have caused the [**least amount of collateral damage. [/**]
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Tony Mamaluke - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:35:49 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5968728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968722
You're arguing in circles. I can't really have a discussion with you if you're just going to ignore what I say and repeat yourself over and over.
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Homicide - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:46:00 EST ID:T/kdECBU No.5968736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968722
>What would have been the worst case scenario if PBTV dropped Elgin's match? They piss off Ian Rotten? Who cares!

They were scared to lose the SMV deal. SMV still wanna sell DVDs, and any cut match means people won't buy that wrestlers Best Of on SMV.
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Nick Jackson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:46:04 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5968737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968722
>And dropping Elgin removes the threat of boycott and keeps all the other promotions safe. If Elgin is dropped, there's no boycott and no other indies are caught in the crossfire.
until the next time some basket case goes to twitter instead of the police, then it's off to the races again
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El Mesias - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 15:53:44 EST ID:+TlyV1LL No.5968740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968737
I wish someone would #metoo Roman, tbh
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Crossbones - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:08:55 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5968750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5968563
>This seems like a case of Adam Lash working himself into a shoot. Blowing a non problem way out of proportion.
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Sakura Emi - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:16:11 EST ID:xrMli9Mw No.5968755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968736
how does PBTV not streaming one match prevent SMV from selling a dvd? wouldn't it make it a MORE EXCLUSIVE "DVD ONLY" attraction?
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Sakura Emi - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:19:17 EST ID:xrMli9Mw No.5968758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968728
what do you think is more damaging to PBTV's PR: siding with Elgin and Rotten or distancing themselves?

what is the greater threat to their business: working with him or not working with him?
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Jim Johnston - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:20:10 EST ID:CxbvFcbf No.5968759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
or maybe they might just not give in to a witch hunt mentality from people who don't even pay for their shit
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Crossbones - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:22:20 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5968762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5968722
The way you're wording this has suddenly given the situation a very disturbing undertone...
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Nick Jackson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:33:22 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5968771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Since capitulating to the demands of people crying on twitter is such a great idea I'm sure somebody can provide plenty of examples of the many times it's led to financial success for a company.
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Douglas Williams - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:35:34 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5968772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968758

PR wise? Distancing themselves.

In terms of overall long-term health and quality of their product? Siding with Elgin and Rotten.

I will never ever buy a streaming service if it's editing matches out. The whole reason I subscribe to the streaming services that I do is so I can binge old shows in their entirety WITHOUT buying a DVD. I could never afford the DVDs and this makes it affordable. If it gets to the point where I'll have to buy the DVD just to satisfy the completionist in me, I won't be using said service.

You should NEVER bow to these types of people that are boycotting. Oh sure, it's just Elgin now. But what happens to the next guy that gets accused of misconduct? What happens if let's say three other guys all get called out on this type of thing or something else that's deemed immoral. Are we just going to give everyone the Benoit treatment? This is a slippery slope.

Personally, I couldn't care less about what any wrestler does in their personal lives. I just want to see wrestling. I wish the SJ Dubs on Twitter thought the same way, but apparently they can't get over that some people do bad things (Elgin) or have different views than they do (SHLAK) and think it means they should be blackballed because of it. It's disgusting. Someone should remind them about Steve Austin and Sami Callihan or the countless stories of other wrestlers with questionable behavior that they probably still watch. Just blackball everyone in wrestling while you're at it. Just destroy the industry and say bye bye to wrestling. That's what these people want. Only moral, good, wholesome, upstanding citizens that check their privilege are allowed.
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Repo Man - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:39:09 EST ID:YtDWdwxd No.5968774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968771
but elgin cheated on mschif who is like totally one of my favorite wrestlers and i've touched my penis to her a few times please don't tell my mommy or she'll take away my nintendo and all these guys don't want to listen and believe and ruin this man career because this no-name was like totally raped and didn't go to the police because reasons and saying mean things to a victim makes you a poopy head and poopy heads hurt my feelings.
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Crossbones - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:50:37 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5968782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5968772
mah boi
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Hector Guerrero - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:54:50 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5968865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968772
>Just destroy the industry and say bye bye to wrestling. That's what these people want.

That's the thing though, they don't. They want to do a purification ritual to make themselves feel good and they've found someone who ha become an easy target because he's already been weakened by this.

We wouldn't even be having this discussion now if those other promotions hadn't blackballed Elgin. But the fact that they have mean that the sharks smell blood in the water and want to go for the kill.

This kind of blackballing would NEVER EVER happen to a high profile WWE wrestler.
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Hector Guerrero - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:59:30 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5968871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968865
also, if people want to follow up on this, I'd advise collecting names or twitter handles of all those promotions and people who are blackballing Elgin or boycotting promotions or streaming services that have him and check to see what other promotions they watch, cause if they watch WWE, then there's a domestic abuser there, which is far worse than what Elgin did.
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Kane - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:12:15 EST ID:LNeSBRQV No.5968920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968772
>have different views than they do (SHLAK)

>being a neo nazi is just "having different views"

are you fucking stupid
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Jim Ross - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:14:44 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5968967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968920
you can be a commie, a nazi, or both
as long as you can entertain me by dropping yourself and others on your head I'm really not very picky about what you do for fun
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Lash LeRoux - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:18:29 EST ID:CxbvFcbf No.5968970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968920
Yeah it's not like the usual upstanding pedophile junkies I expect to be connected to murders like a normal weather
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Tank - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:30:03 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5968971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968920

SHLAK isn't going around physically attacking people (to my knowledge).

Unless he's actively being violent or attacking others, it's literally just a view.
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Jimmy Hart - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:00:14 EST ID:Sooxz43D No.5968981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5967829
Did any substantial evidence come out that SHLAK was actually a nazi? Most of the stuff I saw was more related to him being the typical hardcore punk edgelord in the vein of The Mentors, Anal Cunt, and GG Allin. That's a whole different argument to be had than if the dude is a full-blown neo-nazi or whatever.
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Hercules - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:20:05 EST ID:Tb9jzUK8 No.5968991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968981

More accurately he is a nazi sympathizer, having posted photos of himself socializing with new jersey based AC Skins.
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Jimmy Hart - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:02:29 EST ID:Sooxz43D No.5969007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5968991
That's kinda meh, I guess. I mean who the fuck am I to condemn that, I used to be tight with weev and have plenty of buddies in /pol/ack circles. People can be friends with weirdos, it doesn't say anything about you other than that you're generally flexible. If people think being flexible and permissive is a sin, then fuck 'em.
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Brian Pillman - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:05:56 EST ID:2EkMm2/3 No.5969013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966124
There was no alleged rape btw. I'm not being edgy, he literally tried to fuck her because they'd been fucking for a while and then she didn't want to and that was it. At no point was it implied that he forcibly tried to have sex with her
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Brian Pillman - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:08:51 EST ID:2EkMm2/3 No.5969015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5966167
He literally did nothing regarding the sexual assault allegations. He told her he believed her and to go to the police. He then told him to get a lawyer if it wasn't true. He was also banging that rat. That was it. She went on a tirade because he wouldn't fire him over her words while she was sucking his dick.
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Sarita - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:45:00 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5969411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Mercedes Martinez - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:02:44 EST ID:F2GtNnsm No.5969423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969411
He has a point tho?
Considering some psycho can go on youtube, make a video then get a guy fired.
We're living in a weird time.
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Rosa Mendes - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:15:41 EST ID:YLYsXvy2 No.5969435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969423

Enzo got fired because he didn't tell his employer that he was under an active police investigation that involved him partying with teenagers with cocaine while they were building an entire show's story around his character.
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Xavier Woods - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:45:01 EST ID:6onSACOy No.5969455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969411
I am *so* sick and fucking tired of seeing that chick around here.... like, stop posting what she has to say.... why do you care?
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Sarita - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:50:26 EST ID:r7QqZ2U/ No.5969458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Wahoo McDaniel - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:51:37 EST ID:OCpI2Gwn No.5969461 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969458
>I told lies about someone, ha ha! What are they gonna do, sue me!?
>WHAT THE FUCK I'M BEING SUED!
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Jackie Moore - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:52:33 EST ID:GFM38SPC No.5969463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969435
Not disputing that,

I'd just avoid believing every word some crazy bint says.
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Dick Togo - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:57:30 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5969464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969458
Good and good. She just bolsters his case even more with every tweet.
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Steve The Turtle Weiner - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:03:00 EST ID:HFt9wUjD No.5969468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969458
Can someone post these people who claimed to be boycotting powerbomb tv .

I wanna ask them if they support boycotting NJPW world now.
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Annie Social - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:07:25 EST ID:xU2HBdj6 No.5969470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969458

Good I hope he takes this stupid cunt to the cleaners to the point she can't afford internet to post this stupid bullshit
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Bill DeMott - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:29:36 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5969480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969458
good I hope she steps on a lego too
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Tank - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:31:43 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5969482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5969468

Quite a bit of them in these threads.

https://twitter.com/PowerbombTV/status/963456336771125253

https://twitter.com/PowerbombTV/status/963499618091896833

https://twitter.com/PowerbombTV/status/963934021586743296

It's pretty useless though. These people have their minds set. They'll complain no matter what to show how upstanding they are. Just hoping Powerbomb doesn't listen to them. The minority are always the loudest and if you offer them a service they can't refuse, they'll come back with their tails between their legs.
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Hulk Hogan - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:36:28 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.5969484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I signed up to Powerbomb for a year. They already got my money so the joke's on me.

Not an Elgin fan and hate Rotten's shitty garbage promotion but I guess I'm an asshole becauseI still feel like Beyond, NOVA Pro and others deserve the support.

If they screw over Lash and refuse to pay him out for his time there, I will fucking cancel though. Right or wrong, they can't just cut him loose with zero compensation.
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Faby Apache - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:38:44 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.5969486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969482
Didn't know Dan was a fucking idiot. Oh well
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Dick Togo - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:33:22 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5969501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5969482
You would think all of these old school CZWFans (Dan, Words, Lash) would be a little less, um, progressive.
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Leia Meow - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:03:28 EST ID:hNdNLcQ5 No.5969517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969482

Does she know what red herring means? Or what a false dilemma means? Like really.
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Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:30:46 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5969527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5969482
People already trying to defend their hypocrisy with nonsensical statements.
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Jon Bolen - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:33:33 EST ID:YLYsXvy2 No.5969530 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969458

Did she just scoop Meltz on Elgin signing a new contract? When's her dirtsheet website open up?
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Mistico - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:37:56 EST ID:WNuZWFf6 No.5969531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969527
>powerbomb airs dozens of promotions, with one of them having Michael Elgin
>NJPW World airs one promotion, and it has Michael Elgin
Surely if you're going to unsub because of Big Mike, it's better to unsub from NJPW World
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She Nay Nay - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:40:22 EST ID:C1VCUUDf No.5969532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969531
>Denying yourself Tana and Big K because of Lelgin

tough choices tbh
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Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:40:30 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.5969533 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5969531
no because uhhh.. actually they are small so they should be punished more..duh!

Honestly this whole thing is pretty damning on the lack of respect wrestling fans have for indies.
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Chiva III - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:54:14 EST ID:09h3Cka0 No.5969577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I tried so hard to understand what this whole scandal is about and I still haven't got a fucking clue even after reading this entire thread (HELP ME). It's the most whiny, pointless, faggy thing ever in the history of the world. I never want to read the word "boycott" again when associated with a fucking pro wrestling show. Just do the wrestling and put it on the internet. That meathead pro wrestler was an asshole to you? Get over it and don't watch his matches. The guy that hits himself with light tubes is a neo nazi? Yeah, unless he's committing crimes or flaunting his beliefs all over the place, I don't really give a shit. I hate everyone involved in this story. If you make Ryan Satin sound reasonable and credible, you have problems and you should be ashamed of yourself. Fuck off, eat shit, and die.
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Day Ruiner Ryan Braddock - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:19:05 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5969588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Elgin is suing Mo Malone
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Beef Wellington - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:20:02 EST ID:qLrQZtwq No.5969589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969577
>I tried so hard to understand what this whole scandal is about
>It's the most whiny, pointless, faggy thing ever in the history of the world.
You gave a pretty accurate summation in your own post there.
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Chiva III - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:27:08 EST ID:09h3Cka0 No.5969599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969589

Oooh you got me.
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Masahiro Chono - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:31:38 EST ID:YtDWdwxd No.5969602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5969533
>>5969527
There could be real change in the world of professional wrestling if only more people would listen to Lennart Poettering's fat brother.
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Fritz Von Erich - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:32:13 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5969603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969599

Not sure, but I think he was saying that you just described what the scandal is about.

He said "in your own post". Not "of your own post".
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Beef Wellington - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:34:59 EST ID:qLrQZtwq No.5969604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969603
>I think he was saying that you just described what the scandal is about.
That's what I meant.
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Day Ruiner Ryan Braddock - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:35:01 EST ID:kZWaWoyr No.5969605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969588
https://411mania.com/wrestling/michael-elgin-sues-woman-accusing-covering-sexual-assault/

>Michael Elgin has filed a defamation lawsuit against the woman accusing him of trying to cover up a sexual assault by a former employee
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Chiva III - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:44:47 EST ID:09h3Cka0 No.5969611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5969604

Oh. My bad dude, I guess I'm just on edge today.
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Fritz Von Erich - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:48:24 EST ID:qfX5xSjT No.5969612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969611

No worries. I actually had to read it a couple times as I thought the same thing at first too.
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Beef Wellington - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:52:00 EST ID:qLrQZtwq No.5969614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969612
Yep, that's my shitty sentence structuring in action.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:22:57 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5969628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969577
Rat accuses a wrestler named "Orleans" of Sexual Assault, and seemingly is accusing Elgin of "covering it up" or something even though I'm pretty sure he did end up firing the guy anyways. She was sleeping with Elgin as well, and had no real interest in the matter beyond her going to the police.

She never went to the police because she feared privacy and backlash concerns, as well as legal repercussions.

Now she has taken a very public and gung ho stance against Elgin for his "abuse." Making very public blatant accusations. Ironically, because of this, her concerns for backlash and privacy are no longer relevant. Now also, because she won't shut up in public, she is facing legal repercussions.

At this point she has literally no reason not to go to the police. Whether you felt her reasons for not doing so before were legitimate or not, it doesn't matter; they no longer exist. She still won't go to the police.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:27:41 EST ID:Ux0uA2Pd No.5969633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969628
He (Elgin)* had no real interest in the matter. nb
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Chase Owens - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:59:16 EST ID:7ofY/vD5 No.5969653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969533
The point that is being made is there is no point in boycotting NJPW, because it's not going to do anything. People who actually care about the issue deeply will probably still unsubscribe, but organising a mass boycott isn't worth the effort in that case. Whereas with powerbomb, they feel they could see results.
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Van Hammer - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:30:19 EST ID:pTKlcasz No.5969684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>boycotting a wrestling company over "shady" business tactics and shitty people being shitty

Well damn, better shut down the whole damn business at that rate. All of them. Everywhere.
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Irwin R. Schyster - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:24:55 EST ID:Sooxz43D No.5969717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969533
>"direct action"
>over fucking wrestling drama

suddenly I understand why wrestling fans are so looked down on even by other nerds, holy shit this level of unwarranted self-importance is worse than any of the comics drama I've been seeing lately.
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El Mesias - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:41:51 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5969732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So did the match air or what?
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El Mesias - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:54:42 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5969750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969717
>the comics drama I've been seeing lately
I've been out of the loop, fill a brudda in?
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:09:09 EST ID:y2+FjFqe No.5969791 Report Quick Reply
>>5969732
Well I didn’t see it listed in their schedule so i guess not.
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Dean Malenko - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:12:45 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5969792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969684
Yeah there's a major disconnect between what some goofballs imagine wrestlers to be and what reality is.
I think they actually believe in lolWWE drug testing and that "they just play videogames" bullshit.
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Tomko - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:49:23 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.5969802 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969791
the whole issue was that they were not advertising it on their site or social media but still airing it, even though Lash said there was no contractual obligation to broadcast it, Ian Rotten still got paid no matter what and at one point was fine with not airing it
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Tocool !!BwqwIrIQ - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:48:19 EST ID:KmAHao4J No.5969856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969792
I enjoyed how the figurehead of that trope was Xavier...and we all know how he likes to party now.

Yea that "nerdy gamer" shit is a total lie.
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Scott Lost - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:52:01 EST ID:eO7cxo48 No.5969857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969856

It's branding, man. Xavier's no dummy, he saw dollar signs with the video game shit and ran with it.
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Michael McGillicutty - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:40:38 EST ID:NzPxwPs2 No.5969913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969856
I don't understand how one being true means the other can't be.

Nobody is claiming wrestlers aren't having sex nowadays. It's just that a lot of the time the younger guys are opting to just hang out in their hotel room playing video games rather than going to the bar. It's people actually in the wrestling business stating this is the case.
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AKIRA - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:48:28 EST ID:x2UcyQRw No.5969915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969913
Yeah, they appeared to be playing some spinoff from Pokemon Snap.

Looked like Maddox was trying to get a good shot of a Digglet from what I saw.
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Mason Ryan - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:39:43 EST ID:+TlyV1LL No.5970047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969856
I don't see how having sex somehow makes Xavier an 80s-era party animal
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She Nay Nay - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:48:32 EST ID:C1VCUUDf No.5970049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969856
AJ actually is a nerdy gamer though.
Dude had a man cave full of consoles, and beat SMW in one day.
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Sonjay Dutt - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:19:00 EST ID:0Fc5lQHi No.5970055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5970049
He beat the entire Smoky Mountain Wrestling roster?
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Stacy Keibler - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:21:03 EST ID:C1VCUUDf No.5970056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5970055
Ok I laughed.

I was talking about Super Mario World though.
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VilinskiKonjic !UmgZY96SJE - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:38:14 EST ID:dzsnK5Ie No.5970137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol
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Vickie Guerrero - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 23:53:13 EST ID:y8K4pFlL No.5970140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5970137
I can't help but laugh at the idea of paying to go to a Sami Callihan promotion and knowing Elgin is wrestling but still making sure to say you're unhappy about it, maybe Big Mike is Roman Reigns in disguise
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Shane Matthews - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:09:29 EST ID:mtCB+zRA No.5970145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969732
Yes. Pretty crappy match as Raging Bull is a bit old.
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Sean O'Haire - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:24:29 EST ID:cjMzdD0b No.5970151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>5969915
underrated
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Hernandez - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 01:51:33 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5970190 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5970047
This is simply how far we've fallen as a society.
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Hernandez - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 02:37:29 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5970202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>5970145
welp


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