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will it ever be topped? by Lance Hoyt - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:29:03 EST ID:T2WbCXac No.6056671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Mustafa Said - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:33:33 EST ID:DOQ6NGz+ No.6056673 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No
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Jinsei Shinzaki - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:37:03 EST ID:cjSQVgvu No.6056675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
north american wrestling pretty much peaked that night
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Diamond Dallas Page - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:46:41 EST ID:kDC//cmc No.6056679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wait. what do you mean. Will there ever be a better wrestlemania or a better event? I honestly think there have been plenty of more entertaining events since that but it's all up to who you are.

One Night Stand OG is better and more fun in my opinion but I grew up with ECW and was so excited about it. They really delivered. It was shocking. That being said....X-7 is still more iconic.

Are you just talking about The Rock Vs Austin? Then yes. It's been topped by a long shot.
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Kaz Hayashi - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:50:54 EST ID:FadD53jd No.6056684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nope.
WWE died for a reason after this show.
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Ray - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:52:09 EST ID:yjMkENEM No.6056686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Rock vs. Austin at 19 is the better match.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Tue, 15 May 2018 22:58:40 EST ID:kDC//cmc No.6056693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056684

Because the invasion angle sucked and the nWo angle sucked more making fans leave in droves. Then going PG for shareholders and TV. Then micro managing. Then scripts. Then becoming such a corporate beast that no matter what they do they still make more money then everyone. It's a lot more then this PPV.
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Bobby Dempsey - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:01:42 EST ID:Ni8tD7Sl No.6056697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ALLIN should blow it away
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Sarita - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:04:11 EST ID:CiDhZ9De No.6056699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056697
There have been countless events that on paper looked amazing, but during the show failed. WCW is a testament to that.
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Kotenks !!rbabk2zH - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:05:36 EST ID:V5teRIpo No.6056700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Brandon Thomaselli - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:10:29 EST ID:pIXR3WOO No.6056701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056675

Pretty much. By the end of the night when Austin shook McMahon's hand it was all downhill after that.
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Mochi Miyagi - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:17:14 EST ID:QXIuXozZ No.6056705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6056701
JR's reaction more than made up for it.
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Fire Ant - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:31:16 EST ID:usHWSxeA No.6056711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nope


They had their chance at WM34 because Mania 17 was literally 17 years prior, and 34 would have literally been the 17th mania since mania17. If they were gonna make another one as great as their 17th year of mania it’d have been their second 17th year of mania since then. But nope. Had to bury every single fucking talent they have instead of building up a roster that could rival their precious attitude era so Vince McMahon could get his fucking Pet Dog over instead.
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Zack Sabre Jr. - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:36:30 EST ID:4aZF9C5p No.6056715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6056701
I still think that that Austin heel turn was brilliant story telling. I know that it had a huge negative impact on WWE's finances...but holy shit that was a really captivating story. It all made sense too.
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Brandon Thomaselli - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:46:28 EST ID:pIXR3WOO No.6056718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056705

Even JR commentating his ass off couldn't save a doomed booking decision.

>>6056715

It was the swerve for the sake of a swerve. Hindsight only makes the decision look even worse.
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Goldust - Tue, 15 May 2018 23:51:57 EST ID:XkyFDz9m No.6056720 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056711
> If they were gonna make another one as great as their 17th year of mania it’d have been their second 17th year of mania since then

What are you talking about you idiot.
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Johnny Saint - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:02:58 EST ID:xH3dG7Lm No.6056725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In WWE? never in a million years, even when Vince dies his horseshit is so ingrained in the company it will be years after before they can have a chance of making a star on their own and that is only if they want to make a star in the first place.

But I don't think its the peak of wrestling in NA. The indie scene is full of stars while WWE just has some famous people.
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Sami Callihan - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:09:58 EST ID:Yv3q3qBr No.6056728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056705
I recall Austin on his podcast going over this match (thanks to whoever cut together that audio with the match and uploaded it on DM for /wooo/ by the way) and saying that after the finish he was really doubting the heel turn and that in the moment they shook hands he considered just giving Vince the Stunner and changing the story so that he just used Vince to beat Rock and he was still solo.
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Mark Henry - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:27:35 EST ID:Er0rhvPc No.6056730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WMXIX is better.
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Brandon Thomaselli - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:31:25 EST ID:pIXR3WOO No.6056733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056725

I actually think the opposite will happen: Vince has been in charge for so long that people will feel like freed P.O.W.'s when he dies or actually retires and will do shit specifically because they know Vince would never have OK'd it.

To your second point, think of it like a scale: at Wrestlemania 17 the WWF/WWE dominated the scale on one side, then over the years the scale has evened out. Even though indies are a lot more prosperous now, the scale is still sitting about even. The indies aren't dominating the scale like WWE did 17 years ago, they just aren't a barren wasteland like they were in 2001.
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Jim Cornette - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:32:18 EST ID:a+jl9L3h No.6056734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056700
Lol not even the best WWE Show of 2011.
SummerSlam was way better.
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Jim Cornette - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:37:38 EST ID:a+jl9L3h No.6056737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For WWE this show and SSlam '02 will probably never be topped.
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Fire Ant - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:38:25 EST ID:usHWSxeA No.6056738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056734
It’s not your fault

Stop your bitterness.

Cope.
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Jim Cornette - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:41:31 EST ID:a+jl9L3h No.6056741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056738
I like Punk. His match with Cena at SSlam is just superior and way less sloppy.
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Fire Ant - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:45:42 EST ID:usHWSxeA No.6056742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6056741
Their match on fucking RAW to decide who faced the Rock at Mania was their best

5 stars, had me marking out by myself in complete at at the size of it lad
Absolute fucking Unit. Would watch again
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Jim Cornette - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:49:51 EST ID:a+jl9L3h No.6056745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056742
Yeah that's my favorite match of there's overall.
Really amazing that two dudes who were both so uncoordinated (and unathletic in Punk's case) could turn out 2 matches of that quality.
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Johnny Saint - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:59:37 EST ID:xH3dG7Lm No.6056750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056733
Yeah, but people actually give a shit about whats going on in other companies, being at Raw sounds almost like being in church.

I think even with Vince gone WWE has built up to much resentment with their fans that it will be along time before they can turn it around and HHH and Steph seem to have a lot of the same problems Vince just a little more in touch for now.

There are other problems too. Their championships are almost worthless now and because of the lack of starts they got now they have nothing to build news and even on NXT the style is frankly dated compared to what you see elsewhere. WWE's issues go way beyond Vince, his entire family is made up of narcissists we will be seeing A LOT of Steph I'd imagine.
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Kotenks !!rbabk2zH - Wed, 16 May 2018 00:59:42 EST ID:V5teRIpo No.6056751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056734
>2011 Summerslam
>Ziggler vs Riley
>Random Six Man Tag Match
>Henry vs. Sheamus
>KK vs. Beth Phoenix (I remember this match being shit)
>Bryan vs. Barrett
>Christian vs. Orton
>Cena vs. Punk

you really think this card was better than MITB 2011?
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Fire Ant - Wed, 16 May 2018 02:14:41 EST ID:usHWSxeA No.6056777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056750
> current WWE
>Lack of stars

You mean lack of people they’re Making Into Stars, right?

Otherwise, you couldn’t be more wrong bro
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Hillbilly Jim - Wed, 16 May 2018 03:02:08 EST ID:BjNEg0zG No.6056797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056718
It made perfect sense when you consider Austin only won the Royal Rumble after charishotting Kane to death (FORESHADOWING!~) and LOST to HHH at No Way Out.

He needed to beat Rock. But he couldn't. So he sold his soul.

>>6056693
In a technical sense the WWE doesn't "make" more money than everyone else, their profit margins are really bad.
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Recon - Wed, 16 May 2018 03:58:30 EST ID:DXrhH5md No.6056820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Patrician tier
Wrestlemania 24

>High tier
19
17
10
30


>Good tier
31
23
14
18
3


>One Good Match on the card -tier
20
29
13
12
25
26
8

>Painfully Average tier
1
4
5
15
21
22

>Bad tier
16
28
32
34
7
6
4

>Shit tier
2
9
11
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Razor Ramon HG - Wed, 16 May 2018 04:52:08 EST ID:Y+kkqdIS No.6056825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056797
It made perfect sense if you completely disregard Austins character and history. So it would be perfect for modern WWE.
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Anarquia - Wed, 16 May 2018 05:26:48 EST ID:vqvoBGEk No.6056828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056715
>It all made sense too.

But Austin already beat Rock a million times by himself, why did he need Vince's help?
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Hillbilly Jim - Wed, 16 May 2018 05:35:51 EST ID:BjNEg0zG No.6056831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056825
>>6056828
Or it was because Austin had lost a step after his return?

I'm not saying the heel turn was a good decision but the story being told actually made sense.
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Leilani Kai - Wed, 16 May 2018 06:10:58 EST ID:vLe+gn9v No.6056848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056797

Just because you can explain it doesn't mean it was a good swerve.

>>6056825

This guy gets it. Returning Austin to an asshole heel or even tweener would be fine, but having him join up with Vince was completely asinine, as is booking one of your top stars into "losing a step" to try and explain him joining up with his mortal enemy. It's all fake, he only "loses a step" if you book him to, and that's fucking stupid.
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BxB Hulk - Wed, 16 May 2018 06:23:09 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6056854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056825
>>6056828

Y'all really forgot about the story being told? Austin was coming back from his neck surgery and needed to win the WWF Championship as a way of proving he could still be "the guy". Like he said in that pre-WM sit-down interview: "I need to beat you, Rock. I need it more than anything you can ever imagine." That was a man who was desperate to become a world champion again, and one who had just come off a huge loss to Triple H at No Way Out. Desperation pushed Austin to the limits of despair, and that despair pushed Austin into making a deal with the devil for the sake of pride. If you thought Austin's character died that night, remember: We call them the Seven Deadly Sins for a reason.
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Hillbilly Jim - Wed, 16 May 2018 08:01:25 EST ID:BjNEg0zG No.6056897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056848
But it wasn't a swerve. That's my point.

>It's all fake, he only "loses a step" if you book him to

...your point being? Haven't you seen Rocky 3? It's the exact same concept.

Fuck, remember when Punk was running this bit for a couple of weeks after his return until he suddenly wasn't anymore?
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Beef Wellington - Wed, 16 May 2018 08:04:55 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.6056903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6056671
Already was ;)
ching chong masterrace > (You)
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Diamond Dallas Page - Wed, 16 May 2018 08:27:07 EST ID:kDC//cmc No.6056915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm not sure how many of you were even watching wrestling during Wrestlemania X-7 but I know when it happened I didn't mind at all. I found Stone Cold and Triple H funny and was interested in the change up as well as WCW coming in.

It was the Invasion angle followed by the nWo that took me out of wrestling for a few years. A lot of people were turned off from wrestling after the mishandling of all of that. Stone Colds heel turn was only a matter of time to be honest. Maybe it soured some people but I find there some revisionist history when it comes to that heel turn and the way it went over. Austin and many others talk like it was a much bigger failure then it actually was because it was a blemish on Austins peak. Now there are people going around everywhere acting like The Rock Vs Austin was the end of days and WWF fell off after that. It was a much slower decline in reality.

Stone Colds Heel Turn followed by WCW/ECW invasion fail followed by nWo fail. It was over a year of bad decision making that started the decline in business.
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Attache - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:45:41 EST ID:QM3nCzdY No.6056963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056777
Yeah, they have one of the best roster ever in wrestling and they are fucking it up.
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Bruiser Brody - Wed, 16 May 2018 10:04:27 EST ID:0+sm/Xuc No.6056979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stone Cold's heel run was fantastic. They went all-in with it and completely deconstructed his persona. He turned into a complete psychopath, it was fucking awesome.
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Krissy Vaine - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:00:40 EST ID:tvfoz2QG No.6057036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056751
MitB 2011 was a one match show
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Champ Gold !!MBGZ4KrA - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:08:42 EST ID:wGsuwr9V No.6057045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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19, 20, 21, 24 and 30 are pretty up there.

17 is just great because it was like the pure amalgamation of everything the AE was along with good matches.


19 is just better because Lesnar/Angle, HBK/Y2J, Rock/Austin 3 and Hogan/McMahon was that great.
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Gedo - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:26:40 EST ID:Jb4R6sVk No.6057053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056820
You forgot to put 27 in shit tier.
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Wil Maximo - Wed, 16 May 2018 13:15:41 EST ID:xU2HBdj6 No.6057102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056751

Name another match on the MITB 2011 card not named Cena/Punk without looking it up.

Literally no one remembers a fucking thing otherwise

Also shut the fuck up Kotenks
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Curt Hawkins - Wed, 16 May 2018 13:51:21 EST ID:buBp0EPM No.6057138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6057102
>Implying anyone could forget this instant classic
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Mean Gene Okerlund - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:12:47 EST ID:LW4OyVzN No.6057154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057102
the SD MITB with soup'a gyro D-Bry winning it, obviously.
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BxB Hulk - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:16:36 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6057159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6057138
Forget it? I have the webm for it so I never will!
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Curt Hawkins - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:46:55 EST ID:buBp0EPM No.6057178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6057159
>That pop for the DQ

Christian really was the most over person of his entire generation.
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C.W. Anderson - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:50:06 EST ID:XxXlnaAh No.6057182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057159
>wins the title by being kicked in the dick.

Truly a legend.

Who would have thought that the same thing seven years later is probably going to happen again.
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Lince Dorado - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:52:57 EST ID:Gsl9E1sK No.6057184 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057159

lmao, wouldn't even be mad if WWE repeats this with Nakamura at MITB.
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Curt Hawkins - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:58:55 EST ID:buBp0EPM No.6057189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057182
>>6057184
>Nakamura matches the feat of winning a title using his opponents own move
>Camera shows Christian sat at ringside applauding with tears in his eyes
>Naka rolls out of the ring and hugs Christian
>They share a few words, audible only to those in their esteemed class of wrestler

Is this the best moment in wrestling?
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BxB Hulk - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:01:33 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6057191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057182
Holy shit, I forgot that the Seven-Year Rule is still a thing.
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Krong - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:04:52 EST ID:Ab5Jdzo+ No.6057193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6057159

What I love is that this was done so well the crowd actually was on Randy's side post match and was hungry for the RKO on the table. One of WWE's rare nights of having great booking.
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BxB Hulk - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:10:54 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6057200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057193
In retrospect, the Orton/Christian feud - and yes, that includes Two Days Later (a.k.a. In the Ring, In a Heartbeat) - was legit greatness up until the end. Then again, WWE seems to have problems with its climaxes. They either pull out too early or stay in well past the point where they should have ended.
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C.W. Anderson - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:33:45 EST ID:XxXlnaAh No.6057215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057191
It will happen at the same ppv, too.
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Erik Watts - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:35:30 EST ID:IKG2pNf/ No.6057217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057200
I disagree. There were great matches, but the feud itself wasn't that engaging.
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Arn Anderson - Wed, 16 May 2018 17:28:49 EST ID:MHW2ulpF No.6057323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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But it WAS topped.
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Kotenks !!rbabk2zH - Wed, 16 May 2018 17:36:31 EST ID:V5teRIpo No.6057330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057323
Solid Wrestlemania. Top five but not ahead of WM17 or WM19. On the same level as WM24
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Bryce Remsburg - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:51:42 EST ID:knzjCWzb No.6057448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057323
Not even close
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Leilani Kai - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:53:01 EST ID:vLe+gn9v No.6057453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056897

Austin joining up with McMaho wasn't a swerve? Fuck outta here, man.
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Harley Race - Wed, 16 May 2018 22:39:34 EST ID:LK2x1fJb No.6057599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057323
>D-Bry carried WMXXX so hard he fooled people into thinking his 2 matches were the whole show.
God bless.
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Crimson - Wed, 16 May 2018 22:46:47 EST ID:VgX129L2 No.6057603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057323
No it had
>That slog of a match between Taker and Brock where Taker got concussed and only remembrance of that match is Taker losing
>Bray Wyatt getting buried by Cena
>The Shield in a nothing match against Kane and The old age outlaws

It was for sure a better booked Mania but its no where near 17's level
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Dick Togo - Wed, 16 May 2018 22:53:18 EST ID:q2shh0ek No.6057607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6056848
>This guy gets it. Returning Austin to an asshole heel or even tweener would be fine
Why? Even at the time, I thought it was stupid. I've been rewatching 2000/2001, and Austin isn't anywhere close to stale. Maybe Steve thought he was, but the crowd is nowhere near getting sick of his act. It's even more insane when you think of the possibilities they would have had with him with newer challengers as opposed to what we got.
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Champ Gold !!MBGZ4KrA - Wed, 16 May 2018 22:57:44 EST ID:ke49mBqW No.6057611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057599
It's like that with a lot of shows where they had one/two amazing matches being carried by one guy.

MiTB 2011, Summerslam 2013, Destination X 2012
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Nick Jackson - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:30:30 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6057621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057603
>The Shield in a nothing match against Kane and The old age outlaws

That was one of the highlights of WM30. I loved the hell out of watching the younger generation wipe the floor with The Attitude Era.
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Billy Kidman - Thu, 17 May 2018 06:17:33 EST ID:BjNEg0zG No.6057823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057621
A shame WWE hasn't really done anything like it since.
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Andy Douglas - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:23:34 EST ID:7qC7vcaL No.6057890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6057607
He did think he was going stale but in hindsight accepts he just told himself that because he wanted to work heel again so badly.


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