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UFCM PUNK by Konnan - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:51:06 EST ID:gJOPxW8a No.6079845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>If anyone ever offered [a pro wrestling deal], would you do it?

>I don't think so. But it's a hard question to answer. If you would have asked me a week ago, I would have said no. But the future is still yet to be written, it's my story. I'm not going to sit here and say no, something might come up, some fun might be had.

Mark Henry - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:52:13 EST ID:nvb31/+n No.6079849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because he's either at ALL-IN

or the Royal Rumble in Chicago in 6 years.

Nothing to say about it until it happens.
Kota Ibushi - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 19:59:18 EST ID:5M6cbFIN No.6079851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Kenny said BulletClub is not accepting any new members unless its Hogan or Punk/EpicShoottman. If Punk goes all in, joins BulletClub, then sure, lets see if he can make NJPW that viable threat to wwe that it wants to be
Cowboy Bob Orton - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:07:31 EST ID:fpkxOSPs No.6079867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's almost 40. He shouldn't come back for his own sake. That said, NJPW is right at that point where it needs a new westerner injection.
Michael Elgin - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:10:33 EST ID:jlQp4xGp No.6079872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Please no Japan. I don't understand a thing they say.
Boddy Roode - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:13:28 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6079873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>unless its Hogan or Punk
Jon Moxley - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:29:05 EST ID:+du9gx4O No.6079882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He already has a design for the BC shirt in the PWT's one, so if it does happen it's not an issue.
Kevin Nash - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:30:37 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6079884 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i think he said that days if not weeks before he said "i'm done, done, done with pro wrestling."

if he goes to an indy or japan, great. might get a few extra eyeballs, but he didn't draw big numbers in wwe and a swath of potential viewers just saw him get mollywopped while joe rogan suggested it looked fixed and expressly saying that he's no brock lesnar. some lapsed fans and punk diehards would follow, but it wouldn't turn the tide.

if he goes back to wwe it's still wwe. his debut would probably pop a rating, but it isn't going to stop being shitty just because punk's there. they've already got a whole roster of guys who could make things better if left to their own devices.

as a one-off or short term deal to get himself a wrestlemania main event, i'd watch, but i'm not hanging around long enough for kevin nash to jacknife him and things go to shit again.
Brian Hebner - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:39:24 EST ID:Y9hGgco1 No.6079889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey it's this shit again!
Kevin Nash - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 20:42:28 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6079891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Petey Williams - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:05:13 EST ID:QfdOh4Ns No.6079913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Get to the MITB match
>Finn is mysteriously injured
>Who will replace him?
>tfw static noise
Kotenks !!rbabk2zH - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:08:30 EST ID:V5teRIpo No.6079914 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Would Punk work out in NJPW? I feel like it'd be a weird fit.
Xavier Woods - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:16:17 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6079919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He could have a nice slow match against Liger.

He couldn’t really keep up with anyone else now that NJ is 2005 TNA x division.
Michael McGillicutty - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:22:26 EST ID:G9cW5MRV No.6079922 Ignore Report Quick Reply

He said it the day of his trial ending or the day after his trial ended.
UltraMantis Black - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:25:38 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6079925 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Punk will come back to WWE as a part timer in 2019. Just watch.
Babe the Farmer's Daughter - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:28:43 EST ID:J10K+5dU No.6079927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He shouldn't be going back to the WWE, he should start doing Indy shows and work Japan. He wouldn't even need to work hard and could still get a ton of time off.
Lucky Cannon - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:29:01 EST ID:/80qeGHq No.6079928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes, he is almost 40. unless he saved his money VERY carefully the dude is going to need an income unless he wants to drastically cut down on his lifestyle choices

he could do 4 or so dates a year and pull in seven figures easy. why the fuck not? jericho is almost 50.
Akeem - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:30:34 EST ID:NpaIv58q No.6079929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you've gotta learn to let go, little. he's gone and he's never coming back. just let go. it's not your fault.
Ciclope - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:31:20 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6079930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't want to see Punk wrestle ever again tbh, let him move the fuck on with his life
UltraMantis Black - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:34:30 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6079935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> but he didn't draw big numbers in wwe
This is what Punk fans don't get. Punk was on top in WWE during a pretty low period. He arguably turned WWE around. Punk and Bryan being on top of WWE in 2011-2012 brought back a ton of lapsed fans.

In the grand scheme of things, Punk's tenure as a WWE main eventer is about as long as guys like Mick Foley in WWF, or maybe Scott Steiner in WCW. Someone who was in the uppercard for years, but only a main eventer for a short while.

Part of me wants to see him go to Impact, but Impact is such a tarnished brand, and so far behind WWE, it would probably hurt Punk's image.
Akebono - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:38:21 EST ID:Z+Cgn7VT No.6079939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He wants to wrestler again but can't say it.
He's pulling what Jericho did years ago because he knows the second he says he wants to wrestle, every scummy promoter will be all over him.
Kevin Nash - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:39:04 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6079941 Ignore Report Quick Reply

it was a day before he said he was done, though. my bad i'm stoned a lot, i wasn't keeping track of how long.


that's a pretty clear about face. if he does or doesn't i'm cool. he's entertaining but he's not gonna add so much to any promotion i already like or dislike to alter my viewing habits for more than a looksee.
Droz - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:43:25 EST ID:5M6cbFIN No.6079942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not to mention the company was actively trying to sabotage and sweep his main event time under the rug by having Cena main eventing everything still, alongside the Rock’s return, all while making their top champion and most interesting star be a sideshow act who jobbed to HHH for no apparent reason.
Mascarita Dorada - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:05:33 EST ID:Xx4ZL7K3 No.6079953 Ignore Report Quick Reply

He'd fit pretty well in the same vein of Jericho right now - just having a bunch of high-impact brawls. Couldn't really hang with the workrate in the main events but he could be a decent enough attraction without having to.

He absolutely shouldn't go back to WWE if he's looking for 'fun', just having the occasional indy match plus a short high-profile run in another company should be enough to call it a career. They'll come crawling to him for a HOF induction in ten years anyway.
Jack Korpela - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:05:48 EST ID:sCQQxCmB No.6079954 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not to mention that they spent literal years driving away everyone but us hardcore enough to watch in spite of Cena and people who actually like Cena (and only Cena), and, surprise, the kids who like Cena (and only Cena) tune out when Cena's not on top. Punk, however, opened doors for a much larger demographic who could actually connect with someone who was very much in the zeitgeist at the time, but he was never given enough time to let the new fanbase cultivate properly.
Gran Naniwa - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:12:21 EST ID:8Us/72nc No.6079956 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Would probably be like Samoa Joe when he wrestled in Japan and embarrass himself by trying to preform a bunch of Japanese wrestler’s moves, making everyone in the locker room think he’s a mark.
Meng - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:14:21 EST ID:e3es68rQ No.6079957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>this revisionist shit again
How do people still believe the “Joe was laughed out of Japan” meme?
Wifebeater - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:17:57 EST ID:rhH0czDb No.6079959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestling is where he belongs. Even if he dosent want to do it long term do a brief run on the indies, new japan and do a small wwe return. Give people what they want play into what your good at honestly.
Charles Robinson - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:26:28 EST ID:gJOPxW8a No.6079964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
rent free
Charles Robinson - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:29:12 EST ID:gJOPxW8a No.6079967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That video is sperg as fuck, it's literally the complete opposite of what he said the day before. Maybe if he wouldn't keep giving conflicting answers, people would stop wondering if he would come back to pro wrestling.
Droz - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:32:12 EST ID:5M6cbFIN No.6079969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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He was joking dude
> being so Not in the Know that you cant differentiate or realize a joke from a shoot
Charles Robinson - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:32:54 EST ID:gJOPxW8a No.6079970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So was I.
Kevin Nash - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:36:40 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6079971 Ignore Report Quick Reply

part of the reason it stood out to me was the complete 180 he pulled. maybe the fact that they're so contradictory fooled my brain into thinking it was longer between his statement in the OP and what he says there.

it's not exactly boy who cried wolf because he was totally noncommittal but it'll have a similar effect because people who really wanna see him wrestle will stop getting excited at the prospect when he dangles it out there.
Droz - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 22:37:52 EST ID:5M6cbFIN No.6079972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ok friendomigo
Antonio Honda - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 00:06:01 EST ID:ZKUzQR7J No.6080013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>unless he saved his money VERY carefully
He reportedly had 20mil when he left WWE and doesn't live very extravagant. I'm sure he spent a buttload getting trained in MMA and winning the trial but I doubt it put a serious dent in that. Plus whatever he got for his first fight and he just got another 500k for his most recent fight. Not to mention he could make some decent paydays at Bellator if he REALLY wants to fight again.

Punk definitely isn't hurting for money
Droz - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 00:34:57 EST ID:5M6cbFIN No.6080023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People just want a reason to claim Punk lost in the long run.

He is not one for materialistic lavish brainwashed living, he attends Hockey events, and that’s pretty much it.
William Regal - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:05:20 EST ID:gDMdcLcD No.6080032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I know people can suspend disbelief but imagine seeing Punk booked like a wrestling legend after he got his ass kicked by a jobber in real life. Imagine being booked to lose to Punk, or even have a even match with Punk, what that'd do to your credibility if you couldn't put him away like Jackson did
MVP - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:10:49 EST ID:9vHwwSYQ No.6080036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Major Tanya - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:15:49 EST ID:cr0kvadq No.6080040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I just want Punk and Callis on commentary for WK13 tbqh friendos
David Otunga - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:17:10 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6080041 Ignore Report Quick Reply

For what reason should we think you are not being honest?
Major Tanya - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:20:54 EST ID:cr0kvadq No.6080045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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No reason at all, pal!
Eve - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:30:16 EST ID:IGSlPNFO No.6080050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so you want two color guys on commentary?
David Otunga - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:37:22 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6080052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Then what would make you qualify an honest opinion with "tbqh"? Honest men need not brag about their honesty.
Kevin Nash - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 03:24:55 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6080078 Ignore Report Quick Reply

for the people who really, really want him back the losses won't matter. not to the boys either because doing a job for punk will probably net a bigger payday than lying down for a "credible" pro wrestler.

but yeah, a not insignificant amount of the general public either saw clips of the fight or read tweets or recaps, and they have no reason buy into him. lapsed fan or uninitiated, seeing punk get his shit pushed like that isn't gonna make them eager to see him pretend fight.
Sin Cara - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 03:31:07 EST ID:O9DqxmWz No.6080080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's better when they stick to one token color guy
Crash Holly - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:04:41 EST ID:BL2lDbVH No.6080085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>He's almost 40

Triple H is 48 and he's still putting out matches where he doesn't look old. Age means nothing as long as you stay healthy and shit. Look at how long Flair wrestled, yes it was sad, but it's proof it can be done regardless.
Nicky - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:41:31 EST ID:nvb31/+n No.6080090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Almost 40

So are most of the main eventers in WWE.
Mochi Miyagi - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:08:01 EST ID:wP6/AvLg No.6080095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"I'm done, I'm done, I'm done with professional wrestling," Punk told TSN. "A lot of people like to be mad at me about that and make fun of me because I lost my first fight. And it's like, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But you do not own me, and I am entitled to do what I want to do. And that's what I'm doing.

>"Wrestling is in the rearview mirror. I've been trying for five years to put wrestling in the rearview mirror. And some people...they won't let it go. They, I don't know, want to live my life for me. I kind of don't understand that. But it doesn't matter what I say. I've said 'no, no, no, no' so many times that people just always kind of be like, 'oh, so there's a chance.'

Why can't you people just let him move on with his life. Leave him the fuck alone.
Billy Kidman - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:10:03 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.6080096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
that was before he got btfo by a journalist
this quote was after
Xavier Woods - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:32:26 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6080099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He still goes by his pro wrestling name.
That’s more to do with UFC than him I’m sure but yeah pretty difficult for people to forget about your pro wrestling career when you are actively promoted in the media as literally being your pro wrestling gimmick.

Was he even a good pro wrestler though? I always thought he was okay but nothing special. His series against Joe was pretty good I guess. What other great matches did he have? Raven? iirc it was a hot angle but the wrestling was kinda whatever and more like a device to push the soap opera angle. I know he had at least one good match with Danielson but anyone could. I think I remember a a pretty hot match against homicide?

Idk all I really remember being great were the Joe matches.
Mike Tenay - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:38:02 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6080100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
His match against Cena had one of the best build ups, and probably the best atmosphere, in recent history. He was never top tier in the ring, but he had an interesting personality and charisma which made you care about what he did even if it was a shitty storyline
Kevin Nash - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:42:23 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6080101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>that was before he got btfo by a journalist
>this quote was after

they were both from before the fight. quote in the op are from the 6th, the tsn interview >>6080095 referenced is from the day after, as is made clear from the video of the interview, which is right here >>6079941
Xavier Woods - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:45:20 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6080104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I kinda just realized that although he was the most charismatic of his peers he was actually one of the least skilled of his peers.

No great loss to pro wrestling imo.
Attache - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:46:01 EST ID:V5teRIpo No.6080105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Punk was great. Carried the ghost of the rock and a limited Undertaker to good matches.
Mike Tenay - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:55:41 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6080109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well he's still considerably more talented than people like Reigns and Braun Strowman who WWE have in their main event these days
Akeem - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:03:04 EST ID:NpaIv58q No.6080113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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hhh's 48 > phil's "almost 40". i mean, just look at the differences.

>showed up looking like an emaciated twink in his last "match"
>169 embarrassing pounds of little bitch
>will be remembered for his cringe inducing "kicks"
>stringy hair, clearly starting to bald; can't even grow a fucking beard since his hormones are out of whack
>put on such a shit display (against an absolute tomato can) that his boss said he should probably fuck off
>married to a manlet who is more jacked than him
>said manlet probably can't bear children
>gets shit sleep because he's so far up his own ass despite being at the very bottom of the totem pole in his current (soon to be former) place of employment

>showed up looking like a savage fucking beast in his last match
>255 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal
>signature moves include kneeing the fuck out of his opponents, spinebusters that make arn anderson himself giggle and blush, and a finisher where he literally teabags his opponent to a point of unconsciousness
>full head of well kept hair that he can grow out whenever he damn well pleases; rocks a full blown greek god beard with ease
>put on the match of the fucking night in his last match and managed to toss around a pair of literal olympic medalist combatants like it wasn't shit, only taking a dive in the match to he could make an actual top draw look good (which is also why he trampled phil in their last match, seeing as he can't draw perverts to playgrounds)
>married to a milf with big fucking tits who could also truck phil the cukc
>said milf already pumped out 3 daughters and can probably crank out another kid or two because she's clearly fertile
>sleeps like a rock since he's top of the food chain in his company

no competition at all. phil's gonna pull a shawshank redemption by the time he's hhh's current age where he's found swinging from a noose with the words "brooks was here" carved into the wood and hhh is gonna be putting on classics at WM like his good friend ric flair well into his 60s.
Billy Kidman - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:19:06 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.6080114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well then
Muscle Sakai - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:20:47 EST ID:kDC//cmc No.6080115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A real expert here folks. You need a podcast.
Major Tanya - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:22:39 EST ID:cr0kvadq No.6080116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You should have been a bit more sly about it.
Lance Hoyt - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:30:19 EST ID:OO9LEwka No.6080119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the mere mention of HHH driving this fanboy into a seething frenzy so he posts this
Insecure HHH fanboys are the best entertainment
They live in permanent inferiority
Just like their idol
Kevin Nash - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:57:24 EST ID:CP7ERd99 No.6080124 Ignore Report Quick Reply

don't undersell charisma. it sells better than skill and is harder to manufacture. at his peak he was undoubtedly more popular than any of his contemporaries to work their way up through the tna's and roh's.

sure some of his stuff looked awkward, but the halting quality to some of his movements didn't affect his timing. he was a good story teller. i don't need everyone to be a gymnast or every match to be spotless, personally. neither punk/cena match was silky smooth but both were captivating.


you should've left appearance out of it because they both look like they like dick tracy villains in the face. bageye brooks and the schnoz. neither of their wives are my type, but each one married above his league.

i will always remember punk's kicks for sure though. will come in handy when i'm in a bad mood and need a chuckle.
Balls Mahoney - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 07:56:56 EST ID:+Z1Z20s0 No.6080127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Punk comes back as a part timer
>Gets paid millions
>Gets his main event at Wrestlemania: Punk vs Lesnar

Attache - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:25:33 EST ID:V5teRIpo No.6080130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Haitch does roids tho
Tommy Dreamer - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:27:42 EST ID:b1/0ymyv No.6080131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>punk vs. lesnar
sorry, how does this make sense?
punk can't even beat a 0-1 literal who fighter in UFC, but we're supposed to believe punk will beat a former UFC heavyweight champion?

actually, you're right. WWE would totally book this.
Crash Holly - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:48:30 EST ID:BL2lDbVH No.6080135 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I didn't know Triple H posted on /wooo/

Hope the show goes well on Saturday.
Colonel Ninotchka - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:57:43 EST ID:4blcDMLN No.6080136 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Nobody they've booked to go over Lesnar since his return would fare any better in UFC
Zelda The Brain - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:12:02 EST ID:c4CRNpPW No.6080139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
they could get NWO Hogan, prime Austin and Punk and they still wouldnt be a threat to WWE.
Lexie Fyfe - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:14:39 EST ID:CTWQVm5r No.6080141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But it's also a question that would never be answered. Unlike Punk; the genie is out of the bottle with him
Colonel Ninotchka - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:19:07 EST ID:4blcDMLN No.6080143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
HHH backed down from a shootfight with Angle in his prime, so there's that
Rocky Johnson - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:40:22 EST ID:6ZAiULIF No.6080155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
based Gerry Brisco calling out HHH's fake ass tough guy posturing cos he respects real shooters like Kurt.
>"Well if you think he can't beat ya, why don't ya go out there and try to take him for real?"
Balls Mahoney - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:02:10 EST ID:+Z1Z20s0 No.6080168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a work.

Same work as Punk had a chance to defeat Lesnar at Summerslam 2013.

Also, Lesnar was an attraction like CM Punk.
Muscle Sakai - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:03:51 EST ID:kDC//cmc No.6080169 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah I agree. Lashley sisters and Nia Jax will keep WWE on top. No Way Jose Vs Rhino should be dope. Can't wait for the 9 hour Great Balls Of Fire next year. WWE rules. Glad Cass is getting the push he deserves. Must see wrestling if you ask me. Nothing will threaten them with the amazing staff they have putting together such amazing shows. Reigns Vs Lesnar at Summerslam bub! Shit's going to be LIT!!
Antonio Honda - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:22:39 EST ID:ZKUzQR7J No.6080174 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lesnar's most recent fight before his return a few years ago saw him getting his ass kicked. Ronda's last two fights before coming in proved that she was never all that good and got an undeserved reputation made from fighting mediocre fighters. People really don't care. Punk's gimmick was never that he was a shoot fighter so his losses wouldn't hurt him very much.
Antonio Honda - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:30:19 EST ID:ZKUzQR7J No.6080177 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you missed his intent. He wasn't saying WWE has the best product, just that no company in the world is in a position to threaten them and wouldn't be regardless of who they pick up; which is a true statement. We are at LEAST a decade away from any company being able to stand as actual competition. Quality of the in-ring product has very little to do with that.
Colonel Ninotchka - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:46:32 EST ID:4blcDMLN No.6080187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Now to be fair WCW made the jump from non-factor to a threat in what seems like under 3 years
Awesome Kong - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:50:24 EST ID:AumAAP4c No.6080189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
are you ok?
Percy Watson - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:59:27 EST ID:f4uaoJYm No.6080194 Ignore Report Quick Reply

WCW also had a legit billionaire backing them, with full support of said billionaire's TV station.

Unless some uber rich money mark decides to throw their weight behind a company, you'll never see legitimate competition to WWE ever again. TNA was the last chance. Backed by Panda Energy. On television. And they dropped the ball over and over.
Muscle Sakai - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:59:38 EST ID:kDC//cmc No.6080195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a big fan of entertainment dude! Billion dollar tv my man! Kurt Angle as GM is such a hoot!
Colonel Ninotchka - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:02:20 EST ID:4blcDMLN No.6080197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How were the crowds for Year 1 Nitro?
Boddy Roode - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:11:31 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6080201 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Mall of America / 10
Brie Bella - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:50:37 EST ID:PAfjRzSa No.6080262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>CM Punk after UFC and the trial
It's not like I didn't like his wwe work before, but he got exposed hard and with the current giant WWE roster (booking is another story) nobody misses him anyways. A little time away to reflect on things wouldn't damage his ego, too, since he apparently thought he could just casually walk into the biggest mma promotion and become the next big thing.
Zelda The Brain - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:54:18 EST ID:c4CRNpPW No.6080264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the difference is that at the time WWF was still (relatively) small enough that a couple bad decisions could destroy them. WCW became a threat not just because they grew, but also because WWF went downhill fast to meet them. then as WWF started steadying the ship they pretty much went hand in hand with WCW into attitude era, won the war and now will probably be making 10 million more than NJPWs yearly revenue every month from the new TV deal alone. it's pretty much impossible for any company to be a threat for WWE. hell, most of them can thank God they even last a decade.
UltraMantis Black - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:18:22 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6080275 Ignore Report Quick Reply
CM Punk already wrestled in Japan for Zero1 in the 2000s.
UltraMantis Black - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:24:14 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6080276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Some people wonder why TNA wasn't more of a threat to WWE when they went head to head. WWE is much, MUCH bigger now than they were when WCW tried to compete. Plus WWF was already on the ropes with the steroids controversy and falling ratings.

WCW was just kind of in the right place at the right time and seized the opportunity. Bischoff has even said his intention with WCW at first wasn't to overtake WWF as the #1 promotion, he just wanted to make WCW turn a profit and be taken seriously. Then WWF started to tank and WCW changed their product to be less like WWF, which made them the more popular brand for a bit.
Garbleflab - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:29:16 EST ID:J9va/Lsg No.6080279 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I'd say Hunter definitely slowed down a bit due to age, but that's the be excepted. His style however is one that anyone can do no matter how old you are, he just doesn't get the absolute shit beat out of him like he did 15 years ago.

Not saying Haitch didn't put the work in and is an old man now, just don't give him too much credit. He's only working one match a year now and he's in much better shape than Undertaker.
Sin Cara - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:23:57 EST ID:O9DqxmWz No.6080323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They both still have badass reputations; I think any wrestling fan would buy that Lesnar and Rousey could certainly handle themselves against other WWE wrestlers. They both have legit fighting backgrounds and, through whatever smoke and mirrors you think helped them, they didn't bomb in the UFC.

Punk lost and then lost to a jobber in a fight Dana White said he regretted putting on PPV.

I get that everyone knows wrestling is fake, but people do like that grain of truth to what they are watching, you can't feed people utter bullshit. And if Punk ever uttered anything about muay thai or "best in the world" again people would raise eyebrows.
Hugo Savinovich - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:40:28 EST ID:xSmVXG3f No.6080329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Doesn't Mark Cuban own AXS? If Cuban decides he could make a lot of money by producing wrestling better than Vince it could shake shit up, and seeing those TV deals might make him want to. He's also expressed how happy he is with NJPW on AXS making them the most likely candidate for him to invest heavily in.
David Otunga - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:46:29 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6080330 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>If Cuban decides he could make a lot of money by producing wrestling better than Vince it could shake shit up

Key word there: if. And really, if Cuban thought he could money mark his way to fucking over Vince, he would have already bought an existing promotion.
Tomko - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:58:14 EST ID:gyERHPDk No.6080345 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:05:04 EST ID:8m6Wnq08 No.6080351 Report Quick Reply
I mean he’s not wrong. Wrestling is a performance art under in the guise of an athletic professional wrestling competition.
Machete - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:05:31 EST ID:ClFKfNok No.6080352 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I agree with Jarrett, but I don't think it's the losses themselves that hurt him. The reporting and chatter after last Saturday are gonna be what a bunch of people who didn't even see the fight are going to go by. I read a few recaps and a lot of tweets, and hadn't seen the words "embarrassing" or "doesn't belong" so many times since the election.
Sin Cara - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:10:08 EST ID:O9DqxmWz No.6080354 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It really depends, though.

Sure, people know wrestling is fake. But there's fake things that people can't buy, like Jason Jordan being Angle's son, or imaginary fines/cash prizes in wrestling.

And sure most people know that WWE guys would get their asses kicked in MMA, but until you see it happen, maybe that's something you can set aside. But now ask people to believe that Punk can beat WWE guys? Well, either they don't buy it, or they do and then the loser becomes the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Mike Jackson.

The business being "exposed" doesn't mean everyone just accepts everything put in front of them as plausible.
Boddy Roode - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:14:43 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6080359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
meh. Punk's far from the first prowrestler to suck at MMA, he's sure not going to be the last
Elektra - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:18:51 EST ID:BOk5FFS6 No.6080362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Katsuyori Shibata was one of the most badass wrestlers in recent memory and he fucking sucked in mma. I see no legitimacy problems.
Chiva IV - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:40:58 EST ID:tY+1rm7Y No.6080374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Shibata didn't fare too well, but he at least won 4 fights. His record was 4-11-1. One thing people always overlook with him was that he fought four times in 2007 and 2008. That's pretty good for MMA. He even did a back-to-back fight in 2007 with one in September and another in October.

But you're right, legitimacy is down the performance, charisma/aura and booking. Shibata wasn't a killer, but he hit hard, maintained that stoic warrior approach to his character and put on fantastic matches.
Balls Mahoney - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:46:19 EST ID:+Z1Z20s0 No.6080423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why do people mock CM Punk for trying MMA?

Obviously he did it because he wanted and Dana White loves box office draws. Brock Lesnar was an attraction and a shit fighter and every MMA fan knows it.

Do you really believe Punk cares what other thinks about him?
The Warlord - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:50:35 EST ID:qZ5KJPJk No.6080427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Failure is universally mocked at nearly every level in any field. Often not by the people actually in the field as they often remember how much they used to suck, but by the people observing from the outside.
Lacey Von Erich - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:10:46 EST ID:bd59mtKL No.6080436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> Brock Lesnar was an attraction and a shit fighter and every MMA fan knows it.

You could not be more wrong, holy fuck.

Do You have any idea what MMA fans think of him???

They dont feel a need to childishly make fun of Brocks WWE career. MMA fans love Brock and praise him immensely. I have several friends who dont watch wwe, avoid watching any sports at all besides combat sports, have watched UFC since its dawn while owning DVDs and Fightpass subscriptions all while having a family owned Dojo where they trained the STATE wrestling champiom, who went on to place to the US top 10 wrestlers nationwide. This family who I am friends with knows I love pro-wrasslin and have little know how about MMA, and when I ask about Brock they let me know he’s no joke.

For a dude his size Lesnar is a generic freak. They say it’s absolutely terrifying how quick Lesnar is for a man in his weightclass. Lesnar is not a shit fighter. Losing to fucking CAIN VALESQUES is nothing to be ashamed of.

Grow up.
Xavier Woods - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:31:57 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6080446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Wait, what? Is this a thing people think?

MMA is also not as “real” as uninitiated fans think it is, in that sense that the fighters are really fighting and the fighting is real, but that’s literally the only thing about it which is real. The titles, rankings, personalities, etc are gimmicks or marketing, so a very large part of MMA is open to interpretation and one’s perception. So there is a battle between the narrative that UFC wants to push because it is best for their bottom line, the narrative that actual old school fans and real fighters observe, and the narrative that is unconsciously propagated by casual fans which is a weird combination of anti-MMA sentiment, UFC marketing, and memes.

Mike Jackson is a great example of this because if you look at that fight without any of the context you can clearly see a skilled rookie with a bright future walking over his opponent and everyone would’ve praised him for his clean striking and general dominance. In this context of the CM Punk circus he’s a can whether he wins or loses to the celebrity. If he did exactly the same thing and then knocked out Punk at the middle of the third round then UFCs narrative would be completely different, instead of talking shit about him they would protect him and push him. And that would change the narrative for WWE fans who think Punk couldn’t beat a jobber who was so “bad” that he “got fired” even though he won, to Punk lost but he was outmatched by a skilled opponent and tough luck but good on him for trying.

So the whole thing is a bullshit. It’s unfortunate for Punk that UFC decided to take the low road and trash them both to protect their own brand from having to take responsibility for booking decision they made because they didn’t get the result they wanted. That wouldn’t have hurt Punks cred in pro wrestling circles as badly.

I think Punk can still show up next week on Raw and continue as previous for the most part but the narrative UFC has pushed and the way casuals who don’t know anything about fighting have inerpreted it means that instead of losing a small amount of cred for three months and mostly getting a heroes welcome he would be absolutely buried by the smarks in the front row for three months and get a very bad reception. Of course after three months this fight will have never happened anyway so it doesn’t matter anyway. But if jumps back into pro wrestling it’s going to be a shit transition for sure because of the way UFC bungled everything.
The Warlord - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:48:28 EST ID:qZ5KJPJk No.6080457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
At the time there was a lot of anti-Brock sentiment from MMA fans. In retrospect they love him and recognise him for the freak o nature he is even when off the gas, but when he was first getting started there was an anti-Pro Wrestling stigma.

Although there's a thought that the fiercest anti-wrestling MMA fans used to be wrestling fans in the same way that a militant atheist probably came from a family of militant *insert religion here*. The mindset and way of thinking hasn't changed, they're just taking the opposite point of view.
Ivan Putski - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:16:54 EST ID:XxXlnaAh No.6080480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>a shit fighter.

He became UFC heavyweight champion without functioning intestines.
Xavier Woods - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:38:08 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6080499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who were not MMA fans before Lesnar fought in UFC are also biased by this fake narrative.

UFCs heavyweight division was always bad but at this time it was hurting. To acquire that belt, this is the path Leanar took:

-Lost his first fight embarrassingly.
-Decision victory over a bottom of the barrel old man who was 10 years past his prime during which he was never considered to be great anyway. If you’re keeping score, that’s about as bad of a win as you can get.
-That’s it now you’re number one contender congratulations.
-Title match was against an old man who was already retired AND one weight class lower than Lesnar.

WWE fans like to crow about how successful Leanar was but it was an absolute low point for the sport even though it was a win for Zuffa and Leanar financially, there is literally nothing more they could’ve done to hand him the title except poisoning his competitors.

Lesnar was a one dimensional fighter with all the cards stacked in his favor, he shouldn’t even have won some of the fights he did. He was a great wrestler for sure but he was not a great fighter, he couldn’t stand with anyone, couldn’t take a punch, and although was terrifying on top he was also not skilled enough at jiujitsu to be safe from the guards of guys like Mir and Nog and Werdum so even in his best position he was still threatened by various fighters.
Billy Kidman - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:50:42 EST ID:IYrGGiwC No.6080508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
herring was also a short notice replacement
couture was fourty fucking four at the time of the title fight too
forgot to mention his loss to frank mir was post motorcycle accident frank mir too
although in fairness to brock he beat him again, but still post moto accident mir
Antonio Honda - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 19:04:55 EST ID:ZKUzQR7J No.6080521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>through whatever smoke and mirrors you think helped them
It's not what I think, watch Rousey's last two fights, she got exposed HARD as a very incomplete fighter and most would agree she has no chance as a serious contender right now. The only people that see Ronda as a badass are people who didn't actually follow her career and buy into the narrative that was made for casuals, and casuals will be too excited to have Punk back to care about his losses. Especially when WWE can just (Rightfully) handwave it by saying they're two different sports.
DrHouse !DOGLetgMcA - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:02:06 EST ID:q4WgH0UN No.6080573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Punk constantly has side projects going on. I think he'll be fine.
Nicky - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:55:16 EST ID:fZoXdX2o No.6081028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He'll come back, just never to a WWE ring.
Irwin R. Schyster - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 08:04:59 EST ID:GVdJlJfI No.6081031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I could easily see CM Punk as a commentator in MMA promotion. His selling point has always been his charisma.

The other that he might do is write a book about his life. Punk has always been truthful so I could expect it to be full Bret Hart tier of exposing some shitty people in wrestling.
Wendi Richter - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 08:12:21 EST ID:vVWXFHW2 No.6081032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You have to actually know what you are doing to be a MMA commentator.
Madison Rayne - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 08:19:07 EST ID:Kqp/ZsqS No.6081033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>all of these WWE fanbois dickriding vince hard and saying that no company will ever be a threat to WWE again because MUH TOO BIG TO FAIL xD VINCE HAS BILLION HE NO CARE xDDDDDDD

Neck yourselves, I hear nothing but negativity and bullshit when people are talking about NJPW's massive growth over the past few years, it's all just THEY'LL NEVER REACH WWE's LEVEL. Why CAN'T they reach WWE's level? Why are you afraid to get behind a better company that wants to give you a better show? I think NJPW can and WILL be a legitimate threat to WWE very soon.
Atlantis - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:43:09 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6081077 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the trick with MMA commentary is he'd have to be able to be humble and have some bantz about sucking, kinda like Bob Uecker
but yeah if he could put aside ego and talk about stuff from the perspective of how legit MMA is and I know how much that move hurts lol and stuff he'd be great
Justin Roberts - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 09:51:51 EST ID:MbMFdgxt No.6081084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
How soon is very soon. Its cool to like njpw and support their growth, but the growth is nowhere near the level of wwe yet. Next year raw will be on fox and njpw will still be a niche show on a niche channel. Its a far superior product but its not going to be competing with the E very soon.
Madison Rayne - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:01:25 EST ID:Kqp/ZsqS No.6081090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WWE wasn't always the top game and neither was WCW but look at WCW in it's prime and at WWE now. NJPW literally JUST started directly targeting the US market and they are making a big impact already, just look at the attendance for the long beach show, they filled that place while only in the US mainstream consciousness for a few years. I don't think I'm a fool to be optimistic about NJPW's continuing growth in the west.

>Next year raw will be on fox and njpw will still be a niche show on a niche channel.

WORLD is easily accessible to anyone with an internet connected device and its actually cheaper than WWE network after currency rate exchange. Cable TV is dying, and is only still around because 9001 y.o. old media fat cats keeping it on life support. Anyways I'm rambling. I think the future is bright for NJPW
Onyx - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:02:37 EST ID:/5tlWr1C No.6081093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I think NJPW can and WILL be a legitimate threat to WWE very soon.

Based on what?
Madison Rayne - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:13:05 EST ID:Kqp/ZsqS No.6081096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Based on it's increasing popularity you stupid faggot, what else?!
Alex Koslov - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:15:23 EST ID:SYvfjHdx No.6081098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what popularity lol
Stalker Ichikawa - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:16:49 EST ID:c4CRNpPW No.6081101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why CAN'T they reach WWE's level?
because financially its impossible. if NJPW keep their current growth going(increasing their revenue by about 20% every year), they will need about 16 years to reach what WWE make today. thats assuming WWE won't increase their own revenue, which is pretty much impossible. NJPW have a hard time to even match their own revenue record from the 90s. but to be a threat they'd need to cut into WWE business and given how a huge chunk of WWEs business is in the US they'd need to get on a big network with live shows and run shows in the US weekly as well, possibly going head to head with WWE. which would be suicide since if most fans would have to chose between watching or going to a wrestling show they'd most likely pick WWE.

you'll rotten in the ground by the time NJPW do any significant dent in WWEs business.
Madison Rayne - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:16:59 EST ID:Kqp/ZsqS No.6081102 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What the fuck? Go away, you know NJPW is popular, stop shitposting.
Onyx - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:01:12 EST ID:/5tlWr1C No.6081171 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Just wanted to be sure you were trolling. Thanks.
Reno - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:14:09 EST ID:6gSfj0MA No.6081182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Commit suicide you schizo
Atlantis - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:36:10 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6081200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a heads-up for predicting the death of tv, radio's been dying next week since they invented tv so don't be shocked if tv stays at "dying soon" for a little while

I think it's certainly possible for NJPW or others to become a lot bigger than they are currently.
Before they sold out All In within the first hour I wouldn't have agreed, but there's clearly more of an audience for pro wrestling than is currently perceived.

Look at hamburger chains. Sure mcdonalds is the biggest, but that doesn't mean there's no room for other chains.

I think WWE will continue to lumber along as it does now while the rest of pro wrestling grows to respectable sizes in its own right.

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