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THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE (4TH OCTOBER '18) by Bill Alfonos - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 11:51:15 EST ID:FO9lKfKL Locked No.6150554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> WWE on television was using the number 70,000 for Super Show Down, which means they have to announce a number in that realm or slightly higher. We were told that paid attendance expectations were 58,000 to 60,000. The MCG holds 100,000, and the Australian Football League (Australian Rules Football, like rugby, not soccer) on 9/29 drew a number in that realm. With the stage, WWE would have legitimately sold out with 80,000, which was the goal. But 60,000 for pro wrestling, WWE’s largest crowd ever outside of the U.S., Canada or England, would still have to be considered a major success.

> Liv Morgan was cleared on 10/1 so she will be wrestling in the Ronda Rousey & The Bella Twins vs. The Riott Squad match. This match is supposed to set up the angle for the Evolution main event of Rousey vs. Nikki Bella for the Raw women’s title on 10/28 at the Nassau Coliseum, unless that plan has been nixed. Nothing has indicted that is the case.

> Fighting Spirit Unleashed on 9/30 at the Walter Pyramid in Long Beach drew 3,077 paid, about 1,250 tickets shy of capacity. It looked worse because they did not do the WWE trick of selling all the seats in front of the camera and tarping off the rest of the arena, and the seats are bright yellow, many right in from of the hard camera, and they were more than visible through the show. Even with this being the same month as All In, and two weeks after BOLA in he same market, and even with the card not announced until the last week, and it being the third California show this year, it was a small enough building that they should have sold out. They still sold a ridiculous amount of merchandise, but once again, with only two stands set up, the lines were very long. But these shows are getting harder to sell tickets for because they are no longer a novelty.

> Progress Wrestling ran its biggest show in its history, “Hello Wembley,” on 9/30 at Wembley Arena, drawing 4,750 fans, the largest crowd for a U.K.-based promotion in England since the 1981 Big Daddy vs. Giant Haystacks match that drew 7,000 fans. Everyone in the U.K. for years has used 10,000 as the attendance with the idea Daddy vs. Haystacks sold out Wembley, but the actual numbers for Daddy’s three Wembley shows were about 10,000, a legitimate sellout, for the 1979 show against Mighty John Quinn, about 5,500 for the 1980 show with Daddy & Wayne Bridges vs. Quinn & Yasu Fuji, and 7,000 for Daddy vs. Haystacks.

> Lucha Underground on 9/26 did 89,000 viewers, down from 97,000.

> Pac, formerly Neville, returned here as a surprise wrestler on the 10/2 show at Korakuen Hall. As noted recently, he had been in talks with a number of promotions and had told them he was waiting for a date that he could return, which was interesting since WWE had told us he was free and clear to work wherever he wanted. Then he stopped responding to those companies, which I guess means he had made his deal. We know that there were people, including Will Ospreay who wanted him in New Japan. According to one person close to him, he loves Dragon Gate, has always loved Dragon Gate, and considers that he’s finally able to come home. Pac had worked Dragon Gate from 2007 to 2012 prior to WWE. The show drew a sellout of 1,777 fans, which is probably the largest paid attendance for any show in that building in a long time, built around Takagi’s final Dragon Gate match in Tokyo. Eita & mystery partner Pac beat Takagi & BxB Hulk when Pac pinned Takagi in 19:06 with a 360 shooting star press. He’s staying on the current tour and wasn’t just there for one show

> There will be two small shows as part of an expo at the Anaheim Convention Center on 11/10 and 11/11. Both will be four or five matches, focusing on younger wrestlers with a Lion’s Gate style programs. The 11/10 show will have Jeff Cobb vs. Hirooki Goto as the main event and 11/11 will be the first-ever meeting of Kenny Omega vs. David Finlay

> Even though Impact is run by completely different people and Don Callis is an announcer here for big shows, at least one NJPW wrestler asked about going to Impact and got a very negative reaction. Scott D’Amore went there years ago and apologized for the sins of the previous administration and talked with them about doing business. The memories of how Okada was treated apparently haven’t gone away. It may also be that they have that loyalty to ROH like with CMLL, and thus like they don’t want their talent working in Mexico for anyone but CMLL (even though CMLL doesn’t book many of their guys and with Konnan booking AAA, he’d probably book tons of them if it was possible), they don’t want their contracted guys going to what they see as a rival to ROH

> Yoshi-Hashi’s shoulder is pretty bad off. New Japan rarely edits their stuff on New Japan World, and the only one I can recall was a blade job caught on camera, but they did edit Yoshi-Hashi’s run-in where he lost his footing and crashed into the ring. WWE would have replayed the same thing to death, and did with O’Neil

> Lance Archer has been banned from doing his running around the crowd, drinking water and spitting it all over people ring entrance. He’s taken to social media trying to get fans to get behind him to get the decision changed

> There is new regime in charge, not just Harold Meij as the new President, but also others that he’s put in key positions. The new people in charge for the most part don’t have any background in wrestling so there are things like some things said and etiquette that are different. They’ve replaced popular long-time officials that the wrestlers trusted and respected. The question a lot of wrestlers are asking is why a company that was on such a major business upswing has gutted the business team in charge during that upswing. Obviously the idea is to expand the business outside of Japan, but there is concern.

> The Albany Business Journal had an article on MLW, noting that the biggest investors in the company are businessmen from that city. The story noted that Kevin O’Connor, a former CEO of FirstLight Fiber, a telecom firm, was one of six people who put up $1 million to build the promotion. Another investor is Hermes Ames, a former President and CEO of Fleet National Bank, although his comment that there is so much demand for content and not a lot of content out there is something I’d strongly disagree with. It noted that most of the financial backing of MLW comes from Albany. Bauer in the story took aim at WWE, saying they are very predatory, and also noted that WWE tried to keep them from using the term War Games, but that they beat WWE to the punch in trademarking the name.

> The final episode of World of Sport was on 9/29. It was a good show, built around two title changes to end the first season. The bad news is that the audience dropped again, down to 200,000 viewers in a 2:30 p.m. Time slot. They opened on 7/28 with 937,000 at 5 p.m. There was major erosion after week one, and then secondary erosion with the time slot change in week six (700,000 down to 400,000). We didn’t have the 9/22 rating in last week’s issue but it was 300,000 viewers.
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Bill Alfonos - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 11:55:38 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6150556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> wXw announced major changes in hierarchy and business. The key is that co-owner and CEO Christian Jakobi, 33, is suffering from occupational burnout and is taking an indefinite leave of absence from the company. Jakobi, Tassilo Jung and Felix Kohlenberg have been running the company since 2006, when at the time it was deep in the red. He was also running the wXw Academy, the full-time training center. He was working ridiculous hours and was hands-on in event booking, running live tapings, running live events, administration and booking. He was also at times used as on-air talent and taught character development and promo classes at the school.

> The promotion has also canceled its weekly wXw Shotgun TV show, which was running on its streaming service, wXw NOW. The numbers were not what they were hoping for. Instead, they will run a show called Feature Events, which are live shows that will advance storylines but deliver more high-caliber matches than Shotgun did. They will tape Feature Events roughly once a month starting on 10/27 in Cologne. Jakobi’s weekly Q&A show, “Ask CMJ,” is also going on hiatus. Jung and Kohlenberg, the other two in charge, have other regular jobs outside f wrestling. Jung was head of communications and talent relations and Kohlenbeg handled scouting of overseas talent and helped with booking.

> The company also confirmed a deal with WWE. We don’t know if this was the case with this deal, but WWE’s deals working with other companies are that WWE would allow its talent on shows and also have the right to purchase the promotion at an agreed upon price should they choose to do so, as well as own the library. We don’t NWO that this deal is similar to other deals. But WWE is looking for independent libraries when they add tiers to the WWE Network. Robbie Brookside and Canyon Ceman of WWE were at the training school scouting talent last week and were looking for talent to bring to a November tryout in Cologne

> IPW UK has inked a deal with The Fight Network in the U.K., on Sky 455, to air weekly shows. Taping dates will be announced shortly

> There is definitely talk about All In 2 and even 3, but the contract situation is what it is. We’ve heard Memorial Day and Labor Day both being talked about, as well as Southern California and Chicago. Nothing is definite. The Memorial Day drawback is that’s less than two months from the MSG show and that’s a quick turnarond since it’s going to be a major traveling audience, and even though the MSG show actually sold out mostly to those within driving distance of New York, a large percentage of the All In crowd base will be going to New York that weekend

> The Las Vegas Impact tapings are officially 11/11 to 11/13 at Sam’s Town, which ROH used to run and ROH’s television set up was for 900 seats

> It looks like the big, or at least one of the big outside attractions for the 1,000th episode of Smackdown on 10/16 in Washington, DC, will be the return of Batista. Batista a few weeks back publicly complained about not being invited to the show, particularly since he is from DC. So they invited him and will be putting Evolution together for one night, which means a Ric Flair return as well. Others being advertised already for the show are Vickie Guerrero, Teddy Long, Michelle McCool, Undertaker and Torrie Wilson, while Edge has been scheduled to return as well. I don’t know anything officially, but they are trying to get Dwayne Johnson for the show, given the show was originally named after his catchphrase and in its early incarnations he used to call it “The Rock’s show.” Joe & Miz vs. Styles & Bryan is being advertised a well, but matches advertised for TV tapings rarely take place, but when they advertise names, while plans do change constantly, those are the names they believe will be there.

> PW Insider reported Rey Mysterio as well, which makes sense. Mysterio’s return to television as a regular character is imminent. The last word was that his first match would be on the Smackdown side, but it wasn’t a lock that would be his brand. Not sure how much or in what manner he’ll be used because he has a limited date schedule

> Wrestle Talk magazine claims through their sources in Saudi Arabia that the Saudi sports minister’s tweet regarding Hulk Hogan was not meant as a hint of a Hogan appearance on the 11/2 show. The tweet read in their language, “What is this World Cup that nobody is talking about?” It was meant to be Saudi Arabia mocking that its political enemy, Qatar, got the 2022 World Cup. They didn’t rule out Hogan being there, just that the tweet itself was meant to run down Qatar

> The reason WWE is filing for all kinds of trademarks on old wrestling terms from WCW, WCCW and other companies is because they were not happy that MLW trademarked War Games and has the ability to use the term

> WWE is looking at expanding talent and the NXT side with all the added revenue coming in from the new deals. Among the ideas are more international Performance Centers and international territories, which means being even more aggressive in locking down people who they spot having marketable potential

> Co-President George Barrios sold 50,000 shares of his stock for $4.81 million. He is also planning on slowly selling another 175,000 of his 424,934 shares starting in late December. He’s also expecting to pick up another 90,000 to 120,000 shares in July based on the company’s economic performance in different categories. Another 175,000 share would be worth $17 million or more, and if he gets 90,000 shares, the conservative estimate, that would mean he’d own 340,000 shares worth another $32 million

> Kevin Dunn sold 19,108 shares for about $1.85 million leaving him with 170,253 shares left

> With his time off due to double knee surgery, Dustin Runnels (Goldust) has been filming a horror movie called “Scare Package.” The movie is being shot in his father’s hometown of Austin, TX
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Bill Alfonos - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 11:59:21 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6150559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150554
> There have been some notes from Chris Harrington and others regarding the drop in women watching Raw as compared to men. In the recent year-to-year declines it has hit women harder. Basically the key is this. When wrestling was at its most popular two decades ago, it was usually about a 70/30 men/women split, similar to most sports. Due to the popularity of Total Divas, the women’s had audience increased while the men’s audience decreased significantly. The split has noted by Raw and Smackdown breakdowns was closer to 60/40 once Total Divas got running. At times, there were even 50/50 splits and occasional shows where among teenagers, more girls than boys watched the show, although those instances were the exception, not the rule.

> What has happened this year is that Total Bellas and Total Divas have declined greatly in ratings, and thus, that women’s audience has also declined. It’s notable that this is taking place at a time when women are being treated as characters with more respect. The belief was that this change might help the women’s audience but could hurt the men’s audience, with the idea women want to see women treated respectably and as athletes rather than sex objects, but a lot of men watch the women only because they are hot and could care less if they could wrestle well or not. In fact, the opposite has happened. Really, I don’t think the portrayal of women is as much part of the decline in television numbers as much as just the product itself overall, and that all of television except some major sports and a few hot shows are declining.

> But the decline in Total Divas, probably because of the show being on for so many seasons and shows like that run out of steam, and perhaps a big part if the Cena/Nikki break up since it was their relationship that was the key driver, has led to fewer viewers, and that “new” women’s fan base is now declining significantly. The funny part of that decline is it came at the same time Ronda Rousey became a regular character on Raw, and she was a huge mover among women on her UFC PPV shows. That also says that while Rousey is popular with wrestling fans, that the Rousey MMA sports fan and older women fan base, did not follow her in significant numbers to WWE television. In the third quarter, in the 18-49 demo, as compared to the same July through September of 2017, Raw was down 19 percent with women, which is very significant, and five percent with men. Smackdown was down 13 percent with women and six percent with men

> There are those in the company pushing for the idea of the NXT TV show going two hours because they have so much talent, and to also increase the time of their Takeover shows. I could see the idea of two different one hour shows if one moves to a television platform as I’ve suggested in the past, and even could see a 90 minute show, but two hours seems like too much product. Similarly, the Takeover shows are the one thing in wrestling that isn’t broken and doesn’t need fixing. A key is that they already have one hour in the building before Takeover since they have to tape then next week of TV. So if they try and increase from 2:15 to 2:40 or so and go over three hours, you’re talking about a four plus hour live event, and that’s the night before a five to six hour live show

> Bryan and Brie Bella recently sold their home in Phoenix and have moved to San Diego for filming of the “Total Bellas” reality show, but in November they are looking at buying a new home in Phoenix and returning. Bryan also was mad on social media about the treatment of his wife. He basically said what we wrote in last week’s issue, in that sense that everyone in wrestling has accidentally hurt someone once or botched spots dozens of times and not received this kind of response, noting he once knocked out Orton with a kick and nobody said a word

> The real issue on that spot last week was not the accident, but the follow-up. Anyway, from someone in WWE regarding that incident last week, this is what came out regarding an investigation of sorts. The ref did not know Morgan was injured. He counted when Brie covered Morgan and Morgan did instinctively kicked out as it was a flash knockout and she immediately recovered. Brie talked to Morgan who talked back, so thinking she was at least somewhat okay and conscious, she tried to get her to the corner, and Morgan attempted to go to the corner but didn’t have her legs under her and stumbled. Brie then said “She’s out,” at this point, the ref, Logan, Riott, and Brie Bella were aware she was legit hurt. Riott tagged herself in at that point. Those backstage at Gorilla asked the ref what was going on, so they didn’t fully recognize it. Although to me, I did immediately and it felt like a lot of fans did, maybe not on the first kick, but it was pretty clear on the second kick that it landed brutally, and the second kick was not errant but that Morgan’s head dropped because she was rocked by the first one and as it fell, it fell right into Brie’s second kick. Logan carried Morgan off the apron to the floor.

> Backstage medics and Dr. Christopher Amann came out to tend to her. The match continued. The ref was looking at the floor. At one point the ref missed a cover because he was checking on what was going on at ringside. Brie yelled about the cover that Ruby was making on her and the ref counted to two. The ref was apparently alerted backstage that this was now 2-on-3 handicap match and to tell the other women. For the six-way suplex spot, Morgan saw it and wanted to do it. The ref told her not to get in the ring and he said she’s fine, did the spot, and got rocked and was dizzy after. Then they went to a commercial break. While back from the break, for whatever reason, Cole was either told to say, or said on his own, that Morgan was backstage, even though she was still on the floor being tended to. That was weird. As soon as the match was over Riott went right to ringside to talk to Amann and Morgan.

> The question was how the medics and Amann allowed Morgan to jump back in, although she may have just jumped into the ring on her own before they could stop her. After several days of her being the Twitter lightning rod, even after she apologized, Bryan, who at first ignored it, addressed the situation basically saying what we said last week. The reality is she had no reputation for being dangerous, this was the first time she’d hurt anyone, which in and itself is amazing given that everyone in wrestling was hurt someone. Bryan noted that just a few weeks earlier he kicked Almas right in the head by accident, just like his wife did, but luckily Almas wasn’t hurt, and noted giving Orton a concussion with a kick causing him to miss a PPV and his own dangerous matches. He also noted that he’s done dives where he got his leg caught in the ropes as happened to her a few weeks earlier. That stuff is hardly unusual in Mexico, even with the good flyers . I don’t know that it helped, but luckily for him, he’s pretty popular because if it was somebody else who wasn’t as popular defending their girlfriend or wive, being totally rational in the arguments, he’d have become the next lightning rod.

> But there were things to learn from here as far as all talent, doctors, referees and those in the back are concerned regarding something being knocked out in the middle of a match. Still, there are situations like Undertaker’s concussion in his Mania match with Lesnar when he still had the streak, and the plans of ending the streak that night and scripting history, building Lesnar up to make Reigns, where the protection of Undertaker’s long-term health and the right medical thing to do becomes a real interesting issue. Fortunately, most of the time someone gets a concussion, getting them out of there immediately without risking another bump can be done with minimal issues. But even if it’s not Undertaker-Lesnar, we will have concussions in PPV title matches and major stip matches in the future
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Frightmare - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:00:05 EST ID:4HkBL4Ou No.6150562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>WWE is looking at expanding talent and the NXT side with all the added revenue coming in from the new deals. Among the ideas are more international Performance Centers and international territories, which means being even more aggressive in locking down people who they spot having marketable potential

its happening, pro wrestling will be dead and sports entertainment will take its place. You were all warned
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Bill Alfonos - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:05:00 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6150567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150554
> An interesting stat regarding retention of the audience, and maybe product interest. Miz & Mrs. being promoted on television and airing right after Smackdown was doing 1.1 million to 1.5 million viewers. Mixed Match Challenge, promoted even harder on Smackdown and featuring live matches, airing in the same time slot, but on Facebook watch, live, as far as average viewership for the 30 minute show, was doing just under 30,000

> The stock closed at $92.87 per share on 10/3 giving the company a$7.242 billion market value. The stock declined early in the week slightly attributed to Dunn and Barrios selling so much stock, but then rebounded on 10/3

> The top ten most-watched shows on the WWE Network this past week were: 1. NXT on 9/26; 2. Table for 3 with McIntyre, Slater and Mahal; 3. Mae Young Classic week four on 9/26; 4. 205 Live on 9/26; 5. Hell in a Cell 2018; 6. 19998 Kuwaiti Cup; 7. Photo Shoot: Scott Hall; 8. Mixed Match Challenge from 9/18; 9. Mae Young Classic from 9/19; 10. Mixed Match Challenge from 9/25. So the key takes on this are that 205 Live is doing better when moved from being live to Wednesday and the week of the second week of Mixed Match Challenge, interest declined so badly that the first week beat it during the second week, which coincides with the decline on that show of the live audience

NJPW FIGHTING SPIRIT UNLEASHED STAR RATINGS:
> Jushin Liger & Ryusuke Taguchi & ACH beat Rocky Romero & Sho & Yoh in 8:55. ***1/4
> Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian beat Hangman Page & Chase Owens in 8:14. ***1/2
> Jeff Cobb & Chris Sabin & Flip Gordon beat Hirooki Goto & Baretta & Chuckie T in 12:04. ****
> Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr. & Zack Sabre Jr. beat Tetsuya Naito & Evil & Seiya Sanada in 9:27. ***1/4
> Jay White & Gedo beat Hiroshi Tanahashi & Kushida in 8:52. ***1/4
> Marty Scurll pinned Will Ospreay in 16:36 to go to the finals of the IWGP jr. title tournament and face Kushida. ****3/4
> Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa beat Young Bucks to win the IWGP tag titles in 19:21. ****1/2
> Cody pinned Juice Robinson to win the U.S. title in 16:45. ****
> Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi beat Kazuchika Okada & Tomohiro Ishii in 23:06. ***** AS USUAL, MELTZER GIVES KENNY OMEGA ANOTHER FIVE STAR MATCH

ROH DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR STAR RATINGS:
> Kenny King pinned Jushin Liger in 12:10. **1/2
> Mark & Jay Briscoe retained the ROH tag team titles beating Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian in 17:40. **3/4
> Sumie Sakai beat Tenille Dashwood to keep the WOH title in 12:31. **1/4
> Punishment Martinez retained the TV title pinning Chris Sabin in 7:59. ***1/4
> Bully Ray & Silas Young beat Colt Cabana & Flip Gordon in a tables elimination match in 13:33. ***1/4
> Young Bucks & Cody & Hangman Page & Marty Scurll beat Kazuchika Okada & Tomohiro Ishii & Chuckie T & Baretta & Rocky Romero in 21:18. ****
> Jay Lethal pinned Will Ospreay in 22:48 to retain the ROH title. ****1/4
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Jungle Grrrl - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:07:24 EST ID:iqpvPPmM No.6150568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150562
Pro wrestling died years ago. Its all sports entertainment shit now.
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Curry Man - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:18:18 EST ID:F/SQjriy No.6150569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150562
It's been Sports Entertainment for like a decade.
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Akeem - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:56:04 EST ID:ZwqwXMMh No.6150574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi beat Kazuchika Okada & Tomohiro Ishii in 23:06. ***** AS USUAL, MELTZER GIVES KENNY OMEGA ANOTHER FIVE STAR MATCH

That has got to be the most nothing 5 star match in history.
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Tank Toland - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:03:57 EST ID:8psz3dkw No.6150576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150574

I would say it's tied in nothingness with the last Long Beach main event (Lovers vs. Bucks)
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Bill Alfonos - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:30:28 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6150582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150574
Gotta keep on giving Omega five star matches for no apparent reason other than he probably gets paid off well to give him those snowflakes. Same with the Young Bucks.
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Al Wilson - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:31:02 EST ID:GeV6dub0 No.6150583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6150567
> Cody pinned Juice Robinson to win the U.S. title in 16:45. ****
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The Great Khali - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:31:58 EST ID:FAx1ITbw No.6150586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WOR, please
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:33:03 EST ID:HHkx4K2w No.6150588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150583
Cody gonna fucking get 5 stars for sharing the ring with Cody and Omega I fucking bet you.

Also I wish the whole newsletter was posted in a pastebin.
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Stan Lane - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:33:11 EST ID:h+omcY9B No.6150589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150582
Yes, dave meltzer is the only one saying Omega has great matches despite Omega winning best indie match of the year in his 2nd match in Japan ever, Omega's literally paying off tokyo sports too, I think you figured it out man
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:33:30 EST ID:HHkx4K2w No.6150590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150588
I mean Ibushi* and Omega.
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Andy Ridge - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:33:30 EST ID:OIAM1651 No.6150591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150588

Cody v Cody v Omega?
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Savio Vega - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:34:15 EST ID:fA3uRMLg No.6150593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150576
Bullshit. Even TJ Hawke rated it 5 shurikens and he hates everything (for ref., he rated Okada/Omega at WK11 2.5).
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:34:50 EST ID:/dsCgIgp No.6150594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150582
You're a fucking idiot.
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Winter - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:36:05 EST ID:4vNrsXe9 No.6150596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150582
Yeah dude they pay Meltzer to give them stars hahahaha you delusional cunt. Had nothing to do with it being a main event and exemplarly worked tag match featuring four of the current best wrestlers in the world. I’ll never understand how people are so hurt and triggered seeing Kenny get five stars consistently. I’m sorry you’re like this.
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Akeem - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:38:44 EST ID:ZwqwXMMh No.6150597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150589

Nobody is denying Omega has great matches, but not every match he has ever is 5*. This tag match was a heatless match that existed for the sake of the show needing a main event. Not that it was bad, but I can't imagine anyone calling it as one of the best matches of the year, which is something you would expect from a 5* match.
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Stan Lane - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:39:49 EST ID:h+omcY9B No.6150599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150597
I agree man we all have different opinions
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Ortvatistadon - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:40:36 EST ID:MlFZa13S No.6150602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here is what people should understand.
Snowflakes have suffered from the effects of inflation. What is a 5 star match today was only worth 4 stars a couple years ago.
It's also why Cody now gets 4 stars instead of 3.
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:41:31 EST ID:/dsCgIgp No.6150603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150597
You're literally saying you can't imagine anyone having a different opinion than you.
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Stan Lane - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:42:13 EST ID:h+omcY9B No.6150604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150602
>Snowflakes have suffered from the effects of inflation. What is a 5 star match today was only worth 4 stars a couple years ago.
agreed, Misawa and Kobashi were 4 star warriors too but that's what you get with inflation
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Akeem - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:49:06 EST ID:ZwqwXMMh No.6150607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150603

Thats not true, when I say it was heatless and I can't imagine anyone rating it a MOTYC is beacue I am taking into account the fact that there was no hype about the match before the show, and no hype about it after, here or anywhere else, something I have seen for many matches ranging from 4-7 Meltzer stars. If there is no hype about the match, regardless of my own personal stance, I can't see how it can be 5*.
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Nasty Brian Knobbs - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:49:27 EST ID:j1ye93aL No.6150608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No surprise, Dave conveniently leaves out notes that ROH did TERRIBLE numbers in Las Vegas this past weekend. Death by Dishonor drew something to the tune of 600 people, and the following night's TV tapings did worse (looks like maybe 400-500 people, from the shots I saw on Twitter and Instagram).
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Winter - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:49:58 EST ID:4vNrsXe9 No.6150609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150597
>heatless
Okada and Kenny have had one of the best programs of the modern era and Kenny and Ishii have nearly eclipsed it with their own stellar matches. Not to mention people adored Ibushi and Ishii killing each other in G1. All four of these guys are wrestlers people love to see in the ring together. I get that you’re contrarian or whatever but to act like no one wanted to see this tag and saying it had to heat is full on fucking retarded, guy.
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Winter - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:52:01 EST ID:4vNrsXe9 No.6150611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150609
No heat* nb
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Stan Lane - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 13:52:31 EST ID:h+omcY9B No.6150613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150607
>Thats not true, when I say it was heatless and I can't imagine anyone rating it a MOTYC is beacue I am taking into account the fact that there was no hype about the match before the show, and no hype about it after, here or anywhere else, something I have seen for many matches ranging from 4-7 Meltzer stars. If there is no hype about the match, regardless of my own personal stance, I can't see how it can be 5*.
this, it's absolutely ridiculous that Dave doesn't base what he really likes or not on "buzz" taking place on twitter, what's he gonna do next? Base his opinion solely on his thoughts on feelings of the match? Ridiculous, Dave is cancelled
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Machine Jerk - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:05:56 EST ID:5jzJnLq5 No.6150620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150574
it was better than both omega jericho and lovers v bucks
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:06:15 EST ID:HHkx4K2w No.6150621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WOR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeq6pWDVZM4
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Cuckto Miyahara - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:30:40 EST ID:s6SB4lr1 No.6150631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>WAAAAAHHHHH WHY DOES MELTZ LIKE SOMETHING MORE THAN ME WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Dragon Dragon - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:53:53 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6150641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The value of a Meltzer 5 star match
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Dragon Dragon - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:14:39 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6150652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150603
no pretty sure that's what your saying when someone dares to disagree with Lord Meltzer of the stars
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Bill Alfonos - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:15:19 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6150653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6150608
I forgot to add it to one of the posts:
> Ring of Honor’s 9/28 Death Before Dishonor PPV show was concerning in a vacuum, largely because it came across as a show where the only people the crowd cared about were Bully Ray and the ones who had the credibility of being stars in New Japan. The wrestling was good overall, but in this day and age, where every promotion gives you that, it isn’t enough. The question was why was the largely-insider crowd at a PPV show so quiet for most of the show. And this wasn’t about micing of the crowd, since those live said the same thing, that people were there largely to see The Bullet Club and Kazuchika Okada.

> Some blamed it on the building. ROH had been running in Las Vegas at Sam’s Town, usually for two PPV shows a year. With a 900-seat capacity, they were easy sellouts. So they moved for this show to the 7,000-seat Orleans Arena. In drawing 1,600 fans, it looked somewhat empty. At this stage of the game you’d hope to draw more than that for a PPV show, even though even a year ago a number of that size anywhere but New York would have been something they’d do cartwheels over and nobody would be concerned.
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WrestlingTheSport - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:18:39 EST ID:oBzrFcJd No.6150658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150653

>it came across as a show where the only people the crowd cared about were Bully Ray and the ones who had the credibility of being stars in New Japan.

That is because the only people worth caring about in ROH right now are Bully Ray and the NJPW guys, and now Jeff Cobb.

ROH has NO stars. Jay Lethal, for as talented as he is, doesn't feel like a star. Matt Taven doesn't feel like a star. Dalton Castle FELT like a star but then he was a midcard world champion to make room for more Bullet Club. Jonathan Gresham had a starmaking performance against Jay Lethal, and he was in a fucking pre-show match.

The moment that NJPW decides they don't need ROH anymore, ROH is dead in the water.
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Winter - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:24:44 EST ID:4vNrsXe9 No.6150662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150658
What’s really sad is that NJPW probably knows they’re past the point of needing ROH but keep the partnership alive in good will. The members of this new hierarchy in the NJPW regime probably could give a fuck and will drop them soon.
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Greg Gagne - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:28:07 EST ID:16ehXFbq No.6150665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150567
Who's got that pastebin?
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Dick the Bruiser - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:37:12 EST ID:rKwc1PhY No.6150668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6150652
>Lord Meltzer of the Stars
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Husky Harris - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:04:59 EST ID:bzTrbvzN No.6150675 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150641
>thinking they had value to start with.

I bet he does not even take his own 'system' seriously.
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Hyo Watanabe - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:08:14 EST ID:Nzf+M2q3 No.6150679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>According to one person close to him, he loves Dragon Gate, has always loved Dragon Gate, and considers that he’s finally able to come home.

lovely
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Nasty Brian Knobbs - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:13:37 EST ID:j1ye93aL No.6150685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150653

> 1,600 fans

Yeah, in no way did they draw 1,600 fans TOTAL for the entire weekend.
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Ortvatistadon - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:17:27 EST ID:MlFZa13S No.6150686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150665
Second this.
But I will also say please.
Danke danke in advance
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Frightmare - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:25:27 EST ID:Pg7lBld+ No.6150690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6150621
>45:30
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Ladder - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:26:28 EST ID:BdZZa2Gr No.6150691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150685
I'm going to agree with this. Photos and TV looked like maybe 500 tops.
Considering attendence was guaranteed to drop for the tapings, doubt they drew 350 for it.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:28:14 EST ID:JW5Uv3Wn No.6150692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150691
They probably drew like over a thousand for the PPV and less than that for the TV tapings
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Mt. Fiji - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:28:56 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6150713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150691
Meltzer reporting Impact having under 100 people at a show in Toronto a while back and now he is saying ROH has way more then they actually did. He's got a bad source.

Also the ROH and Impact beef is pathetic on ROHs side at this point. NJPW not wanting to work with Impact because of ROH is equally pathetic. People keep talking about how their are no walls now and everyone is down to work together but ROH is still clinging to its stupid past of bitterness. What a shitty promotion.
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Rey Mysterio - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:34:22 EST ID:PxD1poQS No.6150718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150713
What beef? They got Austin Aries to appear (and Kenny King name dropped him while looking at the camera at DBD), whatever heat used to be there over the Broken Hardys shit is pretty much over

>>6150685
>>6150691
You're too pessimistic. I remember that TNA lockdown 2014 event where they actually had a half full arena, but on PPV it looked like it was empty
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Zema Ion - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:38:37 EST ID:XuKVHNoU No.6150722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>We don’t know if this was the case with this deal, but WWE’s deals working with other companies are that WWE would allow its talent on shows and also have the right to purchase the promotion at an agreed upon price should they choose to do so, as well as own the library. We
Shouldn't we talk about this a bit more?
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Tokyo Magnum - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:07:00 EST ID:UE+ENxEa No.6150735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150722
What’s there to say. WWE wins and we lose
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Dragon Dragon - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:08:26 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6150737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150653
>>6150608
So one of you is saying it drew 600 and the other (DM) says it was 1,600 ...how is there a gap of 1000 between estimates?
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Savio Vega - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:09:56 EST ID:fA3uRMLg No.6150738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>SIMPact Wrestling
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:54:36 EST ID:31Ampg4a No.6150750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150713
>Also the ROH and Impact beef is pathetic on ROHs side at this point
literally just last year Impact threatened ROHs PPV distributors for their biggest show up to that point
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Mt. Fiji - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:58:00 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6150752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150750
That's why I said at this point. Last year Impact sucked ass and still had slimeshits running around and jeff jarrett being a drunken goon.
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:03:57 EST ID:31Ampg4a No.6150753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150752
last i checked Anthem were still majority owners then, not like ROH are missing out on much not working with them anyway for them to have to deal with a company who arbitrarily decided to try and fuck them over
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Mt. Fiji - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:14:03 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6150756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150753
Lol ROH is terrible though. I just think Impact has been working with indies all around the world and AAA and LU and NOAH this year and ROH is still cockblocking them for the crimes of people who don't work their anymore. Impact has been really good this year while ROH has been dreadfully boring.

I just think the wrestling industry would be better if everyone was working together more. It's been happening slowly. I mean Taiji Ishimori shows up at Impact pretty often and he is Bone Solider in NJPW so that's cool. ROH and Impact are working together on the Jericho cruise as well.
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:21:20 EST ID:31Ampg4a No.6150758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150756
>crimes of people who don't work their anymore
If you're seriously suggesting that Jeff Jarrett somehow managed to fuck over ROH on Impacts behalf with the owners having no knowledge of it then that pretty much just makes it worse doesn't it? instead of spiteful they're both spiteful and inept. This is ignoring the fact that for months Ed Nordholm was arguing on the side that would have done exactly the same as your scapegoat did
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Mt. Fiji - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:50:43 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6150774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150758
Eds made amends with them already
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Beulah McGillicutty - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:55:04 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6150775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150774
yeah ROH and Impact already get along enough that Ares showed up on ROH
It's not as heavy a crossover as LUCHA BROS EVERYWHERE but it's still a start
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Gran Akuma - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 23:51:59 EST ID:iIRFTW1H No.6150851 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150665
>>6150686
doesn't XWT have open registration because it is on there and the file size is miniscule
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Daisuke Sekimoto - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 02:05:45 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6150872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150851
well OP used to just post it but now he is affraid that /asp/ will get it...it's dumb. Usually someone just posts it anyways now. We do this every week. He decides what news is important. People complain about pastebin. Someone else shares it. Would be a lot easier if OP just posted the pastebin like before.
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Ernest The Cat Miller - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 02:49:40 EST ID:Wf9hRuBX No.6150876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://pastebin.com/kEyHYrFr
doing a title search on pastebin usually works
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Brian Pillman - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 08:04:08 EST ID:tJqUxZ1P No.6150920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150876
I know this is /mma/ stuff, but
>Really, the third round of [Bob Sapp vs Kintaro Osunaarashi] was so bad you almost have to watch it.
That is so right. Seriously, you could take the two fattest users on /wooo/ right now and put them in a MMA fight and they would not be as gassed after two rounds. It's almost art:
https://youtu.be/v-s5D88DGZA?t=704
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Max Moon - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 08:05:35 EST ID:HHkx4K2w No.6150921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150920
It's really incredible. But it's so bad it's fantastic and you just have to cheer.
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Ring Ryda Blue - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 08:12:14 EST ID:YxXqjyk9 No.6150923 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150920
I want Bryan & Vinny to review this match.
Or Bryan & Filthy Tom. It was made for them.
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Reynolds - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 08:28:31 EST ID:6VrC0Wv6 No.6150929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150920
I really want to hear Jerry Lawler bury this fight.
>Bob Sapp? More like Bob Mollasses HAHA!
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Shu Shibutani - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 10:41:23 EST ID:Q2t/dFXT No.6150965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150920
Is it worse than Kimbo vs Dada? Sometimes I forget that Kimbo died shortly after that match, but anyone who watches that usually says that both those men looked like they had one foot in the grave.
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Steve Blackman - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 12:10:42 EST ID:Pg7lBld+ No.6150991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6150920
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Mark Haskins - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 12:42:03 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6151008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150965
Dada legit died after that match, but they were able to pull him back.
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Gangrel - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 12:50:57 EST ID:ZQoBNsyu No.6151014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150920

That match is like freaking Shamrock vs that fat dude who spawned the Dark Souls Gif. Still quite entertaining though in spite of that.
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Mark Haskins - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 12:52:23 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6151015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151014
I think the biggest shock is that Sapp didn't immediately throw the fight, and that he WON, this must be his first win in 10 years.
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Lance Storm - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:43:06 EST ID:m/rkMakp No.6151097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6150920
>Josh Barnett missed NJPW for this
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MECHA Mummy - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:43:07 EST ID:OFkFUGSb No.6151098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://www.ringsidenews.com/2018/10/05/low-ki-loses-rips-off-lucha-underground-stars-ear-match/
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Steve Corino - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:46:38 EST ID:YnblSKcU No.6151099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151098
the fuck
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Lance Storm - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:52:12 EST ID:m/rkMakp No.6151101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151098
Fuck that clickbait of an article.
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Brad Armstrong - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:59:30 EST ID:NMTDZEvr No.6151103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151098
is ringsidenews a kayfabe mag like PWI or did they actually get worked?
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Jesse Neal - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 17:59:37 EST ID:ECPVV2LS No.6151104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151098
I thought Blanchard was bangin ricochet
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 18:45:15 EST ID:zHQHIP4c No.6151119 Report Quick Reply
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>>6151098
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Rosie Lottalove - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:08:25 EST ID:H6esk6wF No.6151576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>the fucking Aussie show aired at 2 in the morning

Fuck it I'll download it later tonight I'd rather watch Venom then this card
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:33:21 EST ID:0HHuaCWE No.6151592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151098
I believe it.
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Sassy Stephie - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:52:51 EST ID:m/rkMakp No.6151602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151576
>knows he won't enoy it
>still watches
You're doing this to yourself, you know
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Beastie - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:54:38 EST ID:DAl4M+qm No.6151604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151602
>knows he won't enoy it
>still watches

you just described the entire IWC
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Shawn Michaels - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 16:30:41 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6151654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151604
I'll never understand hate watching or watching a show just to complain about it instead of watching stuff you actually like...
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Matt Striker - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 16:47:13 EST ID:iqpvPPmM No.6151658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151654
But there is nothing I like.
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Hulk Hogan - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 16:53:58 EST ID:sSm4HR3A No.6151661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151658

Image board posters in a nutshell. At least you're honest about it.
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Austin Aries - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 20:33:22 EST ID:GZTDybXT No.6151737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Did young david and young bryan have a show about the Aussie show today?
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Jorge Skayde Rivera - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 21:16:36 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6151752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2018/10/wwe-crown-jewel-moved-to-smaller-venue-646497/
> WWE sent us the press release below regarding AJ Styles defending the WWE Championship against Daniel Bryan at WWE Crown Jewel on November 2nd in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

> It should be noted that the event is now being advertised to take place at King Saud University Stadium, which has a capacity of about 25,000 fans. Last month the event was being advertised to take place at the King Fahd International Stadium, which has a capacity of over 68,000.

> WWE's last event in Saudi Arabia, The Greatest Royal Rumble in April, took place at King Abdullah Sports City in Jeddah, which seats over 62,000 fans.

> In addition to Styles defending his title against Bryan at Crown Jewel, Shawn Michaels is expected to come out of retirement to team with Triple H to face The Undertaker and Kane. Also on the card, Roman Reigns will defend the WWE Universal Championship in a triple threat match against Brock Lesnar and Braun Strowman.
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Arnold Skaaland - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 21:21:53 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6151753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151752
but will there still be couches in the front row, is the important question
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Jim The Anvil Neidhart - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 21:28:44 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6151757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151752
Is a sold show. Attendance/gate means nothing
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Nathan Jones - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 21:29:51 EST ID:WOhZgEUD No.6151758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151753
They'll probably have to downsize to love seats.
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Akira Tozawa - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 00:18:04 EST ID:qQL2QBO4 No.6151812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151737

It'll probably be uploaded tomorrow even tho I would have loved to hear it tonight
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Typhoon - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 05:56:49 EST ID:Wf9hRuBX No.6151871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://youtu.be/UFDHXFbL9Is
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Icarus - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 07:32:05 EST ID:f8lJ1SbG No.6151887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151871
alhamdulillah
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The Miz - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 07:50:58 EST ID:GBsOF8ec No.6151893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151753
The Prince has ordered the couches be replaced by Steiner recliners.
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Atsushi Kotoge - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 11:21:19 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6151934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151893
SEE NORMALY IF YOU SIT ONE ON ONE WITH A CHAIR YOU GOT A FIFTY FIFFTY CHANCE OF COMFORT
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Tony Mamaluke - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 11:55:06 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6151940 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6151752
Didn't saudi land sentence a woman to death over advocating for women's rights a month after wwe went there and said how "progressive" they were
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Arnold Skaaland - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:13:55 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6151942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151940
earlier this week a reporter vanished into thin air after entering a Saudi consulate so yeah things are going great over there
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Roxy Astor - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:22:31 EST ID:T9a1DyS4 No.6151947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151940
Vince is now beholden to Big Oil and the huge money mark that is the Prince
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Duke Droese - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:34:49 EST ID:bk8eDFZr No.6151955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151947
He's no money mark. This is very much calculated as more PR for SA.
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Atsushi Kotoge - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:39:31 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6151959 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151955
Says a lot about what a shithole you're running if the carnies are there to improve your image.
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Roxy Astor - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:42:18 EST ID:T9a1DyS4 No.6151960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151955
The Prince wanted fucking Yokozuna at the last event

That's not a PR move, thats some mark ass shit
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Arnold Skaaland - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:44:37 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6151961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151959
the idea is to get as many "attractions" of all kinds in to SA as possible to make it as attractive as possible to the widest possible range of people. They want it to be a tourist/entertainment destination so they can rake in that kind of cash, which is fuckin spooky when you consider the kind of people that run this place
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Beth Phoenix - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 12:54:20 EST ID:pOjElc1d No.6151964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDHXFbL9Is
58:00 for wrestling
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Lance Hoyt - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:01:00 EST ID:tP4QF9G6 No.6151965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151961
It does work though, the amount of people that willingly holiday in Dubai is astounding, especially when there's like, literally anywhere else lol
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WrestlingTheSport - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:42:04 EST ID:RtvftpwA No.6151972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The WWE World Cup is coming up! You know, That Famous Thing (tm) that we all know and love!
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:44:59 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.6151974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151972
ah, all the countries of the world represented. America, America, America, and Missouri.
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Chris Jericho - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 13:46:50 EST ID:dVvsHXyz No.6151975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151972
>BEEG is back
>and on Smackdown

ok
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Atsushi Kotoge - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 14:01:01 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6151976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151972
>not even sponsored by Victoria
lolwwe
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Jesse Neal - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 14:10:08 EST ID:4CWnwFjn No.6151979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151964

Thanks man, Dave and Bryan screaming at each other about the UFC aftermath is fucking money.
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Sho Funaki - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 14:28:13 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.6151985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151964
This is the first time I've actually been interested in UFC talk from them.
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Mustafa Said - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:27:40 EST ID:j5kVKSPM No.6152022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151871
Thanks Man, UFC WOR Is my favorite WOR.
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Evangelina - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 16:06:39 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6152043 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151964
>Dave trying to blame the fans

God Damn he sounds like Vince there, people buy drama and big personalities yes, that's just how human beings work, they want emotional investment. It's 100% UFC's fault for not punishing that shit properly, Alvarez is right

Also lol at them thinking the rematch won't happen, there's no fucking way they will walk away from that money, nobody gives a shit how Mcgregor got btfo and tapped.
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Husky Harris - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 17:32:06 EST ID:FoFVvz7w No.6152078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6151964
>mfw Chico starts calling Dave out and yells at him for being retarded
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Kota Ibushi - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 20:40:05 EST ID:tJqUxZ1P No.6152172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151974
To be fair, Samoa is an independent country and the American Samoa part also competes as a separate nation in most sports.
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 01:57:32 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.6152244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152172
Joe's from the OC, dude.
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Bryce Remsburg - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 04:00:15 EST ID:Jq5WygKg No.6152257 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6151940
Cute Megumin
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Bully Ray - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 05:24:21 EST ID:YxXqjyk9 No.6152271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152043
>tfw wins & losses truly don't matter even in shoot fighting
This event only proves it. Run a big enough angle afterwards and nobody will remember/care who won/lost.
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Kota Ibushi - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 05:34:12 EST ID:tJqUxZ1P No.6152276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152244
I know that he isn't from Samoa, but isn't he kayfabe announced from the isles of Samoa? Or did they stop doing that in WWE? I am not following the product, so I have no idea.
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Joey Styles - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 06:08:48 EST ID:iIRFTW1H No.6152291 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152276
I've never heard Joe billed from anywhere but Huntington Beach, CA
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Kota Ibushi - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 06:13:51 EST ID:tJqUxZ1P No.6152292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152291
In TNA, they announced him from Samoa.
https://youtu.be/-lTFswMT0e4?t=455
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Chii Tomiya - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:24:31 EST ID:+gE+AVnQ No.6152416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152292
He also carried around a machete at one point so growing out of that gimmick was a good thing
it was chekhov's machete and I fucking hated it.
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Sexxxy Eddy - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 04:56:53 EST ID:L3xafguO No.6152872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WOR me, please
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TeflonBilly - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:31:21 EST ID:u78wT3EV No.6153016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6152291

In ROH they specifically announced him as from "American Samoa". At least during his title run
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Ravashing Rick Rude - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:51:10 EST ID:dVvsHXyz No.6153020 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>WWE Hall of Famer Sunny is a free woman after spending most of 2018 behind bars ... TMZ Sports has learned.

>45-year-old Tammy Sytch -- considered the first ever WWE Diva -- was arrested in New Jersey back in March following 2 DUI arrests, one in January and another in February.

>After the arrests, she blew off multiple court dates and was considered a "fugitive of justice" -- but was eventually taken into custody in New Jersey in March. Roughly 3 weeks later, Sytch was later transferred to a Pennsylvania jail where she's been locked up ever since.

>But now, according to officials at Carbon County Correctional Facility in PA, Sytch was released on parole Tuesday morning.

>Sunny has a grocery list of run-ins with the law -- she's had 5 DUI arrests, as well as 5 arrests from 2012 where she was busted for things like burglary and crimes related to domestic violence.

>The last time we spoke with Sunny back in February 2017, she said she was cleaning herself up and completing rehab.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/10/09/wwe-superstar-sunny-tammy-sytch-released-jail/
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Lita - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:57:25 EST ID:wgqituuN No.6153022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153020
She’ll be back in jail before 2019
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Beulah McGillicutty - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 12:26:02 EST ID:RIlssRtF No.6153027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153020
I hope she does professional porn.
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The Undertaker - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 12:37:34 EST ID:WNuZWFf6 No.6153032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153027
No you don't. She already did and it was sad.
Hilarious, but sad
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Beulah McGillicutty - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 12:39:21 EST ID:RIlssRtF No.6153033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153032
I need more!
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Masahiro Chono - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 12:43:20 EST ID:uOS7b0e2 No.6153034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152872

This please

Did Dean actually turn heel last night or are they gonna just hand wave it and pretend he just needed to cool off and are gonna drag this out till the Saudi show
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El Santo - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 12:58:25 EST ID:6diuA1Cf No.6153038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbHUDYk3ZvY
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MEN's Teioh - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 13:51:55 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6153066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man it really says something about how if WWE is doing poorly it means WOR does poorly too. I barely listen to it anymore because I don't care about RAW or Smackdown unless it's some special event and I want to be up to date.
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La Parka - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 13:55:41 EST ID:0m4EbIMH No.6153069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153066
Same, I only listen to Filthy these days
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Lita - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 13:57:21 EST ID:wgqituuN No.6153070 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153066
Yeah man you not listening really killed their numbers. Alvarez said not too long ago that their subscribers were at a high. They started doing video and shit because weirdos are dumb enough to pay another $10 a month to WATCH them talk.
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MEN's Teioh - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:45:37 EST ID:aM6KFv9S No.6153093 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153070
lol I wasn't saying I was killing their numbers. I'm just saying how I could see if WWE did bad ratings then WOR would also do bad numbers.
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Lita - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:48:02 EST ID:wgqituuN No.6153095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153093
Ah yeah they’d probably suffer from casuals peace-ing. But if it meant they could spend more time talking about MMA and other wrestling I’d be stoked.
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Leilani Kai - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:32:46 EST ID:oMCc32Dn No.6153671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does anyone have the retro show on them?
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Davey Richards - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:34:06 EST ID:pOjElc1d No.6153684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo-NXcmBEKk

Also, interesting bit I read from Larry Csonka's ROH TV review
>Hurricane Helms defeated Marty Scurll @ 12:42 via pin [**¾] While I am not a big fan of this mini-feud or Helms beating Marty, this was a pretty good and smartly worked match that the live crowd seemed to really enjoy. They are now 1-1, and rematch Friday at Glory by Honor.

>But seriously, Scurll goes from main eventer and almost world champion to losing to THE HURRICANE in 2018 on a show main evented by CHEESEBURGER. And people wonder why I want the lizard man outsted.
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Headbanger Trasher - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:59:44 EST ID:OCpI2Gwn No.6153694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wade trying to stop WWE-Saudi Arabia deal from continuing.
If this gains more traction WWE has a lot of PR to do.
https://mobile.twitter.com/thewadekeller/status/1049828173611982848
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Billy Gunn - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:23:17 EST ID:DAl4M+qm No.6153700 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153694
he's just trying to get clicks
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Godiva - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:38:29 EST ID:AMSHsSzb No.6153707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153694
Fans should start bringing JAMAL KHASHOGGI signs to WWE TV shows before Saudi Arabia and see if they get confiscated. That will tell you how aware WWE is of this situation and what they really think of it.
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Allison Danger - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:43:55 EST ID:KuvyysgL No.6153712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153694
so the "daivari abducting mustafa ali and cutting him into tiny pieces" angle is a no-go i'm assuming?
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Mickie Knuckles - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:46:50 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6153713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153694
Not to be an asshole, but why would this be any diffrent then any other massive human rights violation Saudi Arabia pulls all the fucking time that America happily ignores to keep that sweet sweet Saud money and military bases flowing?
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Rey Bucanero - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:57:13 EST ID:iqpvPPmM No.6153719 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153713
Don't forget the billions that Western nations pay to Israel so they can bomb their neighbours and steal land.
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Mio Shirai - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:19:32 EST ID:m/rkMakp No.6153738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153684
Bryan sounds stoned as fuck
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Hajime Ohara - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:24:03 EST ID:FoFVvz7w No.6153740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153033
No you don't. You need Jesus.
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Shelley Martinez - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:10:49 EST ID:A80bH8Re No.6153782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6151940
>Didn't saudi land sentence a woman to death over advocating for women's rights a month after wwe went there and said how "progressive" they were

probably, but WWE doesn't give a shit. EVERYTHING you are shown by WWE is a work.

their "women's evolution"? work. their little susan komen shit? work. connor's cure? work. it's 100% all a total work. the only thing that matters is their script and the narrative they want the audience to consume. nothing in WWE is real and nothing matters except for the money and the miles. everything else is 100% a work.
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Joel Maximo - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:15:16 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6153783 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6151955
>prince is not a money mark.
>is willing to give the rock 24 million dollars to wrestle at his show as the champion.
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Jesse Sorensen - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:24:31 EST ID:H+HnPzss No.6153786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6152043
If they punished Conor properly, there would be no fight. If there were no fight, they wouldn't have done all the buys because casual fans don't have the "emotional investment" in any of the other jamokes in the promotion.

A company needs customers. You are a customer. Unless it's the WWE, a company does what their customers want or they go the fuck out of business. Dave is autistic, but he's right. They're both right. Don't pay for exploitative shit. Don't support companies for doing exploitative shit and those companies will die doing exploitative shit.

Take responsibility for what you purchase and what you do.
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Hikaru Shida - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:57:57 EST ID:XaeZRBgf No.6153792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153782
Are you saying they don't give money to Connor's cure? Are those little kids really not sick? Damn. I got worked by super Messiah
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Kagetsu - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:05:41 EST ID:dVvsHXyz No.6153795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153783
That wasnt real
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Big E Langston - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:02:52 EST ID:GZTDybXT No.6153830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6153038
David and Bryan show for Smack diddly down?
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Derek Sabato - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:33:45 EST ID:qMAcN9Ku No.6153855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6153783
>believing the dirty sheets guy
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Azreal - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:50:42 EST ID:nUmGkkJa No.6153857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153830

Bryan & Dave's Smackdown, etc. show isn't up until around 2AM PST Thursday mornings.
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Big E Langston - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:22:48 EST ID:GZTDybXT No.6153863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6153857
I legitimately didn't know that, so I'm unironically thanking you for this information
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Sin Cara - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:31:47 EST ID:NjIYmjs2 No.6153935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153863
https://my.mixtape.moe/dlwfea.mp3
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Kana - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:38:55 EST ID:j+Tm0cbo No.6153975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153935

>Dave trying to make this Saudi Arabia thing out to be like this big news story

Nobody gives a flying fuck.

It's just a fucking wrestling show in Saudia Arabia.

If wwe is not allowed to go to countries that do dispicle things, they can't go to China, Dubai, etc. Anymore. Might as well not do tours anymore.
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Sniper - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:41:28 EST ID:YxXqjyk9 No.6153977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6153975
>If wwe is not allowed to go to countries that do dispicle things,
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Mick Foley - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:42:39 EST ID:31Ampg4a No.6153981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153975
>taking boat loads of money from the government of a country doing incredibly bad shit for a live show featuring saudi propaganda = doing house shows in random countries who coincidentally are having issues at the time
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Command Bolshoi - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:44:10 EST ID:naPGPrFw No.6153982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153975
Bro it is a big news story, you living under a rock?
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VilinskiKonjic !UmgZY96SJE - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:44:12 EST ID:MKfWfo5p No.6153983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153975

Couldn't run in America either really.
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Seina - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:44:34 EST ID:5dbirUqy No.6153984 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153975
>If wwe is not allowed to go to countries that do dispicle things
Quê
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Jerry Lawler - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:14:29 EST ID:Q2t/dFXT No.6154000 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Saudi Arabia has been an authoritative Islamic hellhole for centuries
>Americans only give a fuck AFTER they finally allow women to drive cars
Funny how it wasn't a huge deal that WWE "happily" partnered with SA until The Rock made some Instagram post.

You can't fool me, I've been here for the past several Saudi shows. The most protest from fans was mild shitflinging kept almost exclusively to pointing out the hypocritical nature of WWE promoting gay rights while praising/working with a country that is de jure anti-homosexual. The only worker who spoke up was Darren Young, and nobody gave a shit about him not going.
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Rikishi - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:16:25 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6154002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Use the new thread, it's up.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:19:17 EST ID:6VrC0Wv6 No.6154005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6153975
Have you seen the news?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/politics/khashoggi-us-intelligence-saudi-plan-to-lure-journalist/index.html
Context for this article

http://www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1008215-could-wwe-crown-jewel-face-backlash-on-the-current-news-in-saudi-arabia
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Gorilla Monsoon - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:20:14 EST ID:tfX57fz5 No.6154007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6154000
>I've been here for the past several Saudi shows

There's literally only been one, WWE Intern.
Go post on r-eddit where you can buy upvotes about how amazing Triple H vs. Undertaker was.
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Kagetsu - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:28:10 EST ID:dVvsHXyz No.6154013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6154007
That's actually not true:

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0418/574304/wwe-live-event-results/
http://www.arabnews.com/sports/news/818401
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2016/1105/619083/wwe-live-event-results/
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Mick Foley - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:31:31 EST ID:31Ampg4a No.6154016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6154013
pretty sure they weren't being paid directly from the government for those lad
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Rikishi - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:37:48 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6154022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I posted what Dave wrote about Saudi Arabia in the new thread. Go use that and stop bumping this thread. What happens when two threads are still up is that people will post news in the old thread not realising the new thread is already up. If you have been on /wooo/ for a while, you should know that usually every Thursday there is a new thread. >>6154001


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