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Unions by Rob Van Dam - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 22:49:48 EST ID:GmzCwV6J No.6166831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What would it take for Wrestlers to Unionize?
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Gedo - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 22:56:27 EST ID:s9GAaDkv No.6166832 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A bullet through every McMahon family member's head
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 22:57:27 EST ID:cmthSbFb No.6166833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For most of them to not be a bunch of soyb.oys content to eat mcmahons crap
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Vito - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:05:19 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6166836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166833
This despite the buzzword
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Monster C - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:09:31 EST ID:mWwWYF0u No.6166838 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wrestlers who aren't complacent with working 300 nights a year and stagnating their careers and talent just because they work for the company they grew up watching
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Daffney - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:13:41 EST ID:xwEc6ugM No.6166840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166833
You probably could have said this better, but yeah this is pretty much right.
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Rhino - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:25:45 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6166841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
for them to stop being marks
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:36:07 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestlers don't need help to socialize and work together because they've always been a tighter and smarter community than most worker communities or athlete communities for that matter. Kliq was basically a union, and you don't need a more official union than that.

The collective entity of "The Boys" who are friends across multiple companies are the wrestling union that seems to be on everyone's mind these days and The Boys feel it doesn't need to be more official than that.

Just an observation, I'm not expert. This answer might be mundane and boring but at least it isn't another fucking ad hominem attack against younger wrestlers or every boss of a company.
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Michael Nakazawa - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:37:28 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6166844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166831
For a current WWE top guy to lead the charge. This won't happen because those guys have the most to lose.

The thing is, WWE can totally quash any unionization (and employee vs independent contractor) talk by simply giving guys health care and travel expenses. It's 100% ridiculous that they don't, given the amount of money they make.
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Michael Nakazawa - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:40:33 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6166846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166843
Do you know the point of a union? It's not a social club...
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:40:36 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I mean I don't fucking know. Either my mundane take on it is close to the truth or every single locker room across the last 100 years of wrestling were dumb. And not just Vince's locker rooms, EVERY decent-sized locker room that could have started an official union.

Almost everyone in wrestling knowing each other and doing union shit but just unofficially sure as hell makes more sense to me compared to the usual shit in these kind of threads.
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Gedo - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:48:53 EST ID:s9GAaDkv No.6166848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166843

The Kliq conspired with the business owner to get their co-workers fired. Comparing them to a union is insane.
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:49:44 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166844
They used to have travel expenses paid until recently for whatever reason.

They basically do have healthcare but it's not official. I guess because american healthcare is just that much of a mythical shitshow and getting official healthcare for wrestlers would be a mess.
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:50:32 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166848
Don't some unions do similar corrupt shit?
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:57:52 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like that's the thing with unions isn't it? Shit goes wrong a lot of the time. Jimmy Hoffa probably wasn't even the top 10 union scandals of all time but most people don't know about the others because they're not such pop culture fodder. No official opinion is wrestling might be a good thing.
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:58:40 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166855
union not opinion
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Steve Corino - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 23:58:42 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6166857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166852
as far as I understand Mexico has a wrestling union.
nothing shady happens with them ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6mRCOofH_A
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Michael Nakazawa - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:04:17 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6166860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166850
>getting official healthcare for wrestlers would be a mess.
It really wouldn't be. WWE already has a healthcare plan, but it's just for office workers, not the people who don't risk their lives or directly make them money.
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David Arquette - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:05:16 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6166861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166843
>>6166855
What a shock the person with the worst takes on this board doesn't understand why people need unions because communism or something.
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Michael Nakazawa - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:07:08 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6166862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166855
That's an argument against involving yourself with organized crime, not an argument against unionizing.
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Drew McIntyre - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:18:19 EST ID:YbYeXRGX No.6166866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6166833
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:50:48 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6166878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WWE could probably afford the costs that would come from unionizing, maybe.
every other promotion would not, Impact sure as shit is not going to be able to pay for full benefits to anyone. Forget WWE, the last people who want to see a union would be the smaller promotions.
Mexico, Europe and Japan promotions also don't have to give a fuck about an American Union, you're not going to be protected by it overseas. To establish a Union that covers an international aspect seems like it would be an impossible nightmare.

also to form multiple unions, say one specific for WWE since its so big, and then a bunch of smaller ones, also seems redundant. You possibly wouldn't be getting the same treatment you should as your counterparts, pending your specific union, etc etc.

>>6166857
I don't understand the context of that video so I just assume you are being sarcastic because I've read the complete opposite. Apparently the leading Mexican union does literally nothing, except have nepotism problems.


I don't know the solution, there doesn't seem to be an easy one for all of this.
At least for WWE, they can at least pay travel expenses contingent on who travels more. You do more house shows than someone else? You get a higher Travel fund, simple.
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A.J. Lee - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 01:05:44 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6166880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166878
The video is the Brazo family beating up Ultimo Guerrero's car. Not sure EXACTLY what it was about but the general consensus is because Ultimo disrespected their recently dead dad. And the whole point is that they went unpunished for the whole thing. I think that's it anyway, might be some recent legal developments I don't know about. So yeah corrupt union.
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Kevin Sullivan - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 07:48:00 EST ID:sUFiWdXC No.6166972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>this bullshit again
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Kana - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 09:40:09 EST ID:NUc+9BgZ No.6166999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166880
>UG disrespects brazo Sr.
>Brazo children tune up UG's car
I fail to see how this is the result of union corruption

>And the whole point is that they went unpunished for the whole thing
Well, La Mascara and Maximo were publicly fired for this, so there goes your point anyway.
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Mister Pogo - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 09:44:36 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6167001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6166972
>workers rights
>bullshit
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Bam Bam Bigelow - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 09:55:48 EST ID:V7MP5JXb No.6167005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166831
>What would it take for Wrestlers to Unionize?
Not sure. A good start would be reversing the long-term decline of unions. The US has gone from one in three workers belonging to a union to one in ten, and with scandals big and small coming out of the union bureaucracy it doesn't seem like membership is about to pick up.

...

Sorry, I don't know why I decided to bring the real world into this. Marks carny workrate wrestling bump botch the boys.
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Steve Corino - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 10:00:14 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6167009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166999
>I fail to see how this is the result of union corruption
https://www.cagesideseats.com/2017/5/22/15676230/maximo-sexy-la-mascara-psycho-clown-ultimo-guerrero-car-smashed-union
>Alvarado family smashes Último Guerrero’s car up over union leadership issue
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Earthquake - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 10:40:35 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.6167017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167009
What the fuck does the wrestler union in Mexico even do, if anything?

Well, besides fucking up people's cars clearly.
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Michael Nakazawa - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 10:48:37 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6167024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167009
If you read beyond the headline, it was personal beef. The union was orthogonal to these events. Then there's this:

>Complicating things is that the wrestler’s union in CMLL isn’t really a union in the traditional sense— the wrestlers vote, but the head is ultimately picked by CMLL owner Paco Alonso
Ehh, this is off topic if we're talking about legit unions anyway.
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Tatanka - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:03:19 EST ID:qdYeeVf0 No.6167030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167024
In Lucha Libre, even the union is a work

Gotta admire the commitment there
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:07:18 EST ID:Z8jsFD+3 No.6167034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166880
>so yeah, corrupt union.

People are corruptible at all levels and in all organizations. That isn't an argument against unions. It doesn't prove that unions aren't better than the alternative, which is trusting someone with power to be benevolent.

Relying on benevolence is always trouble; it's one of the main reasons why authoritarians and fascists are never the right answer.
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Zeus - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:07:37 EST ID:T9a1DyS4 No.6167036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167030
gotta keep kayfabe all the time brother, how else are you gonna keep the marks coming
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Terry Taylor - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:19:01 EST ID:aGPyjII3 No.6167042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just a reminder that if you're anti-union, you're the biggest mark of them all.
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Jasmine St. Claire - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:27:10 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6167049 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think WRESTLERS as a whole will ever unionize. It's far too complicated. This wouldn't just affect WWE, this would affect literally every wrestling promotion across the board. Who's to say what qualifies someone for the union and what doesn't? Does the guy that wrestles 6 matches a year in Elk's Lodges in Bumfuck Nowhere deserve to be in the union?

A sort of realistic possibility is strictly only WWE wrestlers unionize (similar to player unions in the NFL, NBA, etc). As for what that would take, most likely a massive wage gap between WWE talent salary and how much money the company is earning (in other words, another wrestling boom). As of right now though, most WWE wrestlers are content with their paycheck.

The most that's going to happen is WWE might give their wrestlers healthcare coverage in the future. That's really about it.

>>6166860
Not to nitpick here, but the production staff (especially the ones making content for WWE Network) are definitely directly making them money.

The main difference is WWE needs to draw these people away from companies like NBC, CBS, ESPN, etc, so they need to offer healthcare comparable to those other corporations (especially since they're trying to get TV Production people from NYC to commute/move all the way to Stamford).

Wrestlers on the other hand, especially ones that came up through the indies, are used to having to get their own healthcare. WWE's main excuse for not giving wrestlers healthcare is that they're independent contractors, and that's just the way it's always been done. So much of WWE's business model is just outdated shit from decades ago that needs to be revamped.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:27:19 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6167050 Report Quick Reply
>>6167049
It's not that complicated.
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Mildred Burke - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:33:28 EST ID:Jq9kpJZ4 No.6167055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Probably not the ideal place to ask but hey this thread's here, /wooo/'s taught me a lot of general knowledge over the years, and using wrestling for analogy is always fun. besides fuck /pol/

Are there any ethical drawbacks to unions? Was reading some stuff by a philosophy professor and he seemed to keep throwing shade at the very concept of unionization. Was able to find more in-depth explanations for most of his hot opinions*, but not that one.

*e.g. healthcare will bankrupt the treasury, welfare is intrinsically un-American, the US hasn't been the US ever since Roosevelt's New Deal fucked it sideways, Jefferson is best boy fite me, etc etc.. Just to give a fuller picture o' context.
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Wataru Inoue - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:35:25 EST ID:Qytrojse No.6167057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think a better idea for now is to treat wrestling like a season, or have more breaks. Nearly every sporting league does it, and I think it would be good for the wrestlers too.
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Mildred Burke - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:36:39 EST ID:Jq9kpJZ4 No.6167058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167055
Aaaaaaaaaand now that I'm on the front page I see the sticky. Entered this thread via the voidy catalog; didn't notice it.
Shit.
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Mildred Burke - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:40:05 EST ID:Jq9kpJZ4 No.6167063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167057
They had that. It was called the territory system.
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Tito Colon - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:41:33 EST ID:0vkB/Sdc No.6167067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167057
Certainly WWE could do more (as they have more than enough people) to give different parts of their roster time off at different times of the year. Like, giving people 4 months off, and staggering it so there's people leaving and returning every month. It'd keep the show fresher too because it wouldn't be the same people on TV all year.
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:57:18 EST ID:Z8jsFD+3 No.6167078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167067
Yeah they could do it fairly seamlessly and have constant returns and opportunities to refresh people both physically and creatively.
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Psycho Clown - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:03:40 EST ID:SI2LB8XY No.6167082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The problem with unionizing nowadays is that wrestling is more than just America. Good luck making a union in the US and trying to get work in Japan or Europe.
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Mister Pogo - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:20:55 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6167094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wrestlers will never ask for more than what they are given because they are just fine with eating vince's shit.
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El Santo - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:22:20 EST ID:uHcDeCaG No.6167096 Report Quick Reply
>>6167082
There doesn't have to be one giant, globe-spanning Union. You can have many unions within on industry.

For example, the Screenwriters and Actors Guild (SAG) is a union who only covers workers in the Film and Television industry in the USA, not anywhere else.
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El Santo - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:29:50 EST ID:uHcDeCaG No.6167101 Report Quick Reply
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>>6167096
Oh shit re-read the post and see that's not what you meant.

Being part of a Union in the US as a wrestler is not going to get you outlawed in Europe or Japan. If a company wants you now, they're still going to want you tomorrow, being in a union doesn't change that. Companies can't nor won't turn their noses up on draws just out of fear of a union.
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Brian Hebner - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:44:01 EST ID:FSnsXLzQ No.6167105 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167050
Big Business NJ, absolutely burying workers rights, what a piece of shit


Crown Jewel and Snickers burying Moolah were as far as it got when it came to WWE's business practices being in the public eye

if in this year of 2018, they still show anti-union propaganda videos at wageslave jobs like Wal-Mart, then there's no way a job like being a wrestler will be able to unionize, there has to be a giant upheaval of worker relationships to their employers or whatever the fuck
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Athena - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:55:56 EST ID:GElwRpAY No.6167111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167105

I dont remember if it was walmart or someother corp that had a anti union video about "professional protesters" and looking like stereotypical "milenials" and depicting people striking for better wages and conditions as such
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Rob Van Dam - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:02:29 EST ID:GmzCwV6J No.6167115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167034
Except for when they are
>Napoleon III
>Franco
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Zeus - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:05:01 EST ID:T9a1DyS4 No.6167117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167111
Was probably Amazon, to try to prevent people from unionizing against their slave labor ways.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:09:18 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6167120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167101
yeah but as I stated above somewhere, an American Union won't be able to force New Japan or AAA into a collective bargaining agreement, and so the union won't be able to do shit for you overseas.. and a lot of these guys are all about globetrotting.
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Jasmine St. Claire - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:14:21 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6167122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167067
I was considering that too. Plus taking someone off TV makes the audience miss them, and get excited for a return. It seems like that's what they're doing with Bray Wyatt right now (unless he has some injury I'm not aware of).
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Wataru Inoue - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:33:50 EST ID:Qytrojse No.6167126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167067
Sounds cool.
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Bushwhacker Luke - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:56:19 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6167134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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real talk: I'm a union leader at my job.
Wrestling as a whole is impossible to unionize because it's basically a network of Freelancers.

HOWEVER, a Players' Union *could* form in organizations like WWE, ROH, Impact, MLW, or NJPW.

  1. First thing is the "independent contractor" term needs to be challenged. The biggest culprits of abusing this are WWE and ROH. NJPW, Impact, MLW and LU claim "exclusivity" on their talents but do actually let them work their own freelance dates on the side so its harder to argue the "independent contractor" abuse in those situations. (although it could be done)

2. In order for the talents in a place like WWE or ROH to unionize, they are going to need to mount a secret organizing campaign that has majority support before the owners even find out. It will never happen because there will always be someone willing to act like Hulk Hogan and rat out the Jesse Venturas in their locker room to get ahead. The WWE/ROH locker rooms are just too cut throat. There is only one spot at the top and everyone is always fighting for it. You would need to convince anywhere from 50 to 100 talents that they'll make money and get farther by working together and negotiating together than going behind anyone else's back one on one with the boss.

The new World of Sport on ITV gave all of its exclusively-contracted talents collective bargaining rights through Actors' Equity, a union for actors.

WWE and ROH can afford to deal with unions. NJPW too probably. I don't think Impact or MLW could afford to collectively raise paydays for the locker room anyway.

It's different for NJPW too because Japan has universal healthcare, so the wrestlers don't need to worry about negotiating healthcare benefits with their employer. LOLUSA.
Also, NJPW doesn't seem to require its talents pay for so many of their own expenses. There's less travel around the Japanese countryside, less dates AND they provide tour buses for the talents. Unlike in WWE or ROH where boys pay for their own travel and lodging.

WWE/ROH guys do have a legitimate claim to be members of something like the Screen Actors Guild.

The Kliq (and now the Elite) are, in a way, doing the work of a union. They all talk together and negotiate terms together. But the Elite isn't looking out for the Briscoes or SCU or Chuck Taylor.
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Nidia - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:50:35 EST ID:YKEnLNzC No.6167159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167134
Don't really have much to say other than thanks for the insightful post.

>"WWE/ROH guys do have a legitimate claim to be members of something like the Screen Actors Guild."
Do you think such a thing could happen? I can't imagine it in my head.
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Bushwhacker Luke - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 15:06:22 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6167163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167159
>Do you think such a thing could happen?
lol nope. they'd have to want it hard enough to fight the McMahon empire for it.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 15:17:18 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6167166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
some of them are already part of SAG. Any of them that has been in a movie or tv show and has had a speaking role.
SAG doesn't count Professional Wrestling as part of their criteria so SAG doesn't care if stars technically continue to do Wrestling since it doesn't fall under their umbrella. It's not like you are going outside of the Union to do "Union related work".. Wrestling doesn't count. So while some of them may get benefits for being part of SAG, none if it carries over to what they do in Pro Wrestling

So Vince McMahon doesn't even have to care if you join SAG or not, because SAG seemingly wants nothing to do with Wrestling.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 15:18:49 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6167168 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167166
continuing the Irony: R-Truth should be a member of SAG for his role in The Wrestler. So in a movie about fake sports he gained membership to a union. but actual fake sports doesn't matter.
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A.J. Lee - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 15:39:02 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6167182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah the season idea is definitely good. I bet most babyfaces wouldn't start getting heat, or at least would get a lot less of it, if they went away every once in a while etc.

Even Mania shoudn't be a total "all hands on deck" PPV imo, about half the shit that happens on Mania these days should be left for Summerslam or just any post-Mania PPV for that matter.
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Super Crazy - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 16:55:30 EST ID:j/Wge8T7 No.6167213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167005
It's really only bad if conditions for workers are currently bad. Which I would argue they aren't in America. If anything Unions take money from their members money that should be going to the employee .

Today most Unions that are still around are there only because local government mandates membership.
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Lance Storm - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 17:02:22 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6167218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167213

"Audible tongue licking boot" begone shill
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Super Crazy - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 17:24:08 EST ID:j/Wge8T7 No.6167233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167218
This attitude is the reason so many American jobs are outsourced, mechanized or given to an illegal that doesn't have to be paid minimum wage.

nb for /pol
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Bushwhacker Luke - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 17:26:30 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6167235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6167213
> Which I would argue they aren't in America.
WWE wrestlers pay for their own travel expenses and receive a sliver of the royalties of merchandise created around them while the McMahons own *multiple* private jets.

>If anything Unions take money from their members money that should be going to the employee .
unions raise the salary of every worker.
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Pitbull - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 17:29:57 EST ID:ggJf6+jH No.6167241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167233
How dare these worthless workers not suck my cock for paying them 2 dollars an hour
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Invader - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 17:51:53 EST ID:59G0qADi No.6167253 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167233
But these are all things that happen because the employers can do whatever the fuck they want and their employees can't stop them since they lack powerful unions
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Jimmy Garvin - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 20:09:58 EST ID:Sh86GkDj No.6167296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>unions

faggot c.u.c.k shit
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Jamal - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 20:12:03 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6167299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167233
love to have to choose between eating shit and dying in the workplace
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Evan Karagias - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 20:22:01 EST ID:cE+DG4FN No.6167303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>carnies
>solidarity
lolno
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Candice Michelle - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:49:09 EST ID:V7MP5JXb No.6167344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167235
>unions raise the salary of every worker.
The fundamental lie of the trade unions is that workers can get a good deal in their own country. For a while, this meant workers in some countries doing well at the expense of others, but now it just means dividing labour in the face of international capital. Call wrestlers carnies all you like, but it'd take quite a mark to believe that "divide and conquer" works out for the folks being divided.

So with nothing to offer workers but crocodile tears and screeching "workers rights" (not actually defending such rights, just repeating the phrase), the main occupation of the modern bureaucrat is acting as shop police for management or worse. Just look around. The UAW has been embroiled in scandals for years, all stemming from their sweetheart deals with the manufacturers. West Virginian teachers only got their last raise by going wildcat against the unions. South Africa's COSATU actually defended the police atrocity at Marikana (not the workers who were gunned down by murderous cops) - and remain affiliated with the ITUC and WFTU.

Wrestlers need organisation, but setting up a union would just be helping out hte McMahons.
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Carl Oullette - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:56:49 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6167348 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167344
Oh look the embodiment of those cheesy anti union videos stores and restaurants make their employees watch
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The Berzerker - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:57:28 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6167349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167344
Do you work at Amazon, by any chance?
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Prince Devitt - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 22:02:56 EST ID:L4YJHN0X No.6167352 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167055
The explanation to his opinion would be that he's a moron whose favourite flavour is "boot".
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Candice Michelle - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 22:22:55 EST ID:V7MP5JXb No.6167365 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167348
>>6167349
You can't defend the record of the unions, so you just go for personal attacks and intimidation. This is very helpful to my case, because it's how unions respond to workers protesting against poor wages and conditions.
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Carl Oullette - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 22:32:35 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6167371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167365
Juat remember to brush your teeth to get the stench of boot out of your mouth
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The Berzerker - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 22:57:40 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6167377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167365
Does your boss thank you for sucking his dick without pay, or does he just toss you a tissue while he zips himself up?
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Mr. Fuji - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:05:37 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6167382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167213
>conditions aren't bad in the USA

>>6167344
People are dunking on you because what you said makes zero sense and seems to misunderstand unions on every fundamental level
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Candice Michelle - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 03:10:05 EST ID:V7MP5JXb No.6167437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167382
No, people are screaming because the truth hurts. The trade unions are the enemies of working people today. The union bureaucrats don't care about wages, they don't care about conditions, they don't even care if workers live or die, so long as they can keep their tight relationship with management and the privileges it brings.

But rather than throw around generalisations, let's be specific. If I've completely misunderstood the unions, please explain why COSATU cheering on the Marikana massacre wasn't grounds for their being sanctioned by international trade union bodies. Unity is meant to be about protecting working people, isn't it?
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Mr. Fuji - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 06:24:58 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6167448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167437
I mean "specific" is almost how you spell cherry-picking

Why even bring up South Africa? For what actual purpose lad?
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Austin Aries - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 06:30:44 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6167449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167437
>The trade unions are the enemies of working people today.

This is an absolute lie by the way, in my country at least.

Last year my Trade Union absolutely saved my arse when the company was trying to fuck me over. And they also argued with the company and got our wages increased.

I've noticed most of the "pushback" about Unions comes from Americans who live in the country where corporations have the most power and influence both politically and in the media, I really don't think that's a coincidence.
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Linda Miles - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:54:38 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6167466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I am a retard that cant reat the fucking sticky: the thread
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Kaitlyn - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:11:02 EST ID:uHcDeCaG No.6167468 Report Quick Reply
>>6167466
Y'all mind if I...hit that REAT?
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Zema Ion - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:22:00 EST ID:3NTV2g3P No.6167469 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hard to discuss unions in the WWE when we're less than a week removed from the company throwing money at HBK until he stopped having integrity, when all they need to do to break up a union is trust wrestlers to act, well, like professional wrestlers with all the baggage that comes with that.

Related, the reason the Observer became as huge as it did among wrestlers was that it was the only way for workers to get news and information, both about the organizations they were in and other territories, that didn't come directly from the management of a territory.
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:35:09 EST ID:GcBgj359 No.6167471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167466
This is about wrestling specifically.
We've also managed to talk about unions without dragging political spectrums into this. Impressive.
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Mr. Fuji - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 09:40:54 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6167486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167471
You'd think that the unions would be an omnipartisan issue but alas...

>>6167449
Unionisation & Healthcare are communism because 1980s propaganda told me Dad so.
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USApe - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:49:01 EST ID:cQE82ZLi No.6167502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167486
>1980s propaganda told me Dad so.
Based on this thread, the propaganda isn't just from the 80s. There's a fresh new batch
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Carl Oullette - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:53:47 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6167503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167502
Companies still release new anti union propaganda videos well into the 2010s
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Equinox - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:07:27 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6167506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167502
Before and after the '80s. The '80s was just a fresh new batch of it because of Reagan and Bush.

Keeping this as objective and nonpartisan is possible, Nixon/Ford stripped away union and workers rights in the '70s (to benefit corporations in an attempt to stimulate the economy), then Carter built them back up, then conservatives went back into power with Reagan and went back to stripping rights and telling workers unions were bad.
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Austin Aries - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:31:37 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6167516 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167512
Nothing beats a good straw man stickman drawing to settle a debate
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:37:38 EST ID:DCv+s9xq No.6167518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167512
>I live a life of privilege so fuck helping anybody, that's hypocrisy
Seriously get your head examined.
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Kerry Von Erich - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:42:03 EST ID:Ue4rbUhC No.6167519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167512
You need help
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Texas Tornado - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 11:50:24 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6167522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
While we're talking about progressive politics and wrestling, has there ever been an attempt to start a Wrestling CO-OPpromotion?
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KC Cloudy Day - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:15:55 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6167576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167522
>the boys try to rip themselves off at the pay window, everybody gets stabbed
nb for politics
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John Laurinaitis - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:39:01 EST ID:N5ewRDhl No.6167584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>100$ monthly dues
that doesn't work for me, brother
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Droz - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:41:48 EST ID:App5w9hk No.6167586 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unions are bloated messes that don't actually help workers. I just joined one and they're fucking useless. They don't care about class struggle or even helping working people deal with incompetent corporate management.

Being a union rep is just a career like any other. They're concerned with collecting dues and little else.
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:46:44 EST ID:q4VmMbwm No.6167591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167586
Human organizations in general are bloated messes. Would you rather an alternative where you just hope those who have power above you will care or consider you at all?
I guarantee no matter what you say, your union cares more about you then the guy signing your check.
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Droz - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:51:35 EST ID:App5w9hk No.6167594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167591
Neither of them give a fuck. I hate corporations, too. Self-employment and small businesses should be the only means of making a living, but the powers that be legislate that possibility away.
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Emi Fujino - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:52:02 EST ID:LUMg+nxK No.6167595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167584
collective bargaining? everyone already gets more money when the hulkster is on the card brother
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Titus O'Neil - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:00:17 EST ID:b/I0kQOQ No.6167598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167591
Bootlicking the union is still bootlicking
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Dragonfly - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:47:40 EST ID:QfdOh4Ns No.6167611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestlers are way too stupid, and the WWE throws propaganda down their throat from the beginning. They will never unionize. To make matters worse, Vince is too much of an ideologue, so he won't do things that are mutually beneficial for both him and the talent, so wrestlers will continue to get screwed.
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Texas Tornado - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:58:01 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6167614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6167595
Does anyone have the picture saved of the Hogan version of this?
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Super Hentai - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:59:29 EST ID:yQyrAnpQ No.6167616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167611
>WWE throws propaganda down their throat from the beginning.
I know you're just making up bullshit to help prove your point, but I'd love to see some orientation anti-union video starring Vince McMahon.
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Carl Oullette - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:09:40 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6167623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167616
Not a video vince would instead do an entire "comedy" angle with a stable of very skinny small dudes or fat schlubs from the indies trying to form a union and getting jobbed out by someone like braun
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Derrick Bateman - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:22:17 EST ID:6atBGywu No.6167636 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Great pol thread
How about we have one with arguing why wrestlers should all vote for a particular party so we can keep this faggot proxy pol going
No bump for lolwwe tumor turning into pol cancer yet again
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Texas Tornado - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:30:03 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6167640 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167636
It's actually been a pretty informative and cool thread. Stop trying to stir shit up.
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:37:34 EST ID:yeCBTvcr No.6167648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167640
Nah looks like fags arguing about if unions are good and occasional mentions of wrestlers

The Hogan jokes are sorta funny
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Ashley Cartier - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:44:54 EST ID:iigMy9cN No.6167651 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167648
Dude, Vince is a personal friend of 's his wife is part of the president's cabinet I do not know how the two cannot tie together at this point when we talk about WWE.
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Sarita - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:48:57 EST ID:KsSr5UmI No.6167655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Unions are for communists. It does nothing but drive businesses to 3rd world countries. Wrestlers want to unionize? Say hello to Wang Ching, your new heavy weight champion.
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Mick Foley - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:00:46 EST ID:kZqtktEv No.6167663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestlers would need to feel like there are good alternatives to WWE out there in case they lose their job from trying to unionize. Also, plenty of these people grew up watching WWE and view being in the company, no matter how poorly they are treated or how much they are misused, as having "made it" and wouldn't do anything to rock the boat.
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Carl Oullette - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:11:53 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6167671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167655
Being this much of a bootlicker that calls basic workers rights communism, dont you have some flag at a nearby walmart to salute
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:29:36 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6167678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
you all keep focusing on WWE about this issue when the hypothetical union would encompass more than just WWE.
but then that already brings us to the reason why a Wrestling Union would fail: The Smaller promotions wouldn't dare allow unionization because they couldn't afford it.

as for WWE, you'd need literal top dog support to even attempt to do this, and you'd need them all: John Cena, AJ Styles, Roman Reigns, Brock Lesnar, Daniel Bryan, etc. Aside from Daniel Bryan, none of them would go against the company.
Anyone else? Guess what, you aren't even remotely important enough.
In the United States it is illegal to be punished/fired for attempting to unionize. But guess what? With WWE you are not their employee, you are an independent contractor. Union Talk? You are replaceable.


Let's say a Union is formed. As with basically all Unions, there is an individual bargaining agreement between each company. So there would be an agreement with WWE, an agreement with ROH/Sinclair, and agreement with Corgan/NWA, Impact, etc. Each of these agreements are different.
Now in a typical Union.. let's say the United Food/Commercial Union.. each contract is indeed different but they aren't going to differ that much: If you either work at Kroger, or at Safeway, it probably isn't going to really matter that much in terms of Union Benefits.
For Professional Wrestling, this would be VASTLY different. There is no way that Impact would be able to make the same collective bargaining deal with the Union that WWE makes.
So if you are a wrestler in the union, and you can only get work in Impact, your benefits would probably be absolute shit compared to what you could get if you get to WWE, perhaps almost to the point where it's not even worth paying union dues.

A big thing about Unions is also seniority. Now this may not matter in Professional Wrestling, but it could.
WWE would probably be exempt from this simply because they would have the power not to agree to anything concerning it in their contract.
yet all the smaller promotions might have to adhere to this in some fashion.
Lets take 2 wrestlers, one is older and has been in the union longer, and is past his prime. the other one is younger and obviously less seniority in the union, but he's still in his prime and he would put on the better show:
Now lets say there is an open spot in a small promotion somewhere and has a contract with the union. both the younger guy and the older guy bid for the spot. via typical union bureaucracy the older wrestler gets the booking. that's just the way it is. the younger wrestler is better, but that's not how it works.
so then why doesn't the younger wrestler just get himself booked somewhere else? Well, he joined the Union, so now its not that simple. There simply may not be an opening, and if he tries to seek work outside the union, with a promotion that hasn't signed a union contract, he WILL get fined/punished by his union. this may not matter to bigger money makers but for a young guy trying to make it in this business, that may hurt a lot.


I'm not trying to sound like a complete anti-union glob, despite that last point I just made. There is a lot of positive a potential union could bring if implemented correctly with Pro Wrestlers. Yet that's just the problem, I can't see a fathomable way to even remotely implement this in a good way.
Even if it's just a single union that only focuses on WWE, like how MLBPA is just MLB.. it may not exactly go so well.
I have always big proponent of WWE at least giving travel pay: All they have to do is give everyone a proportional raise in everyone's contract, and have it explcitly state "Travel/Lodging" or something like that. and what I mean by Proportional is if you work more house shows, you get a bigger travel fund.
WWE also can't force you to use it the way they want; they give you enough to fly first class and stay in a nice hotel, but if you want to use it to drive a beatup rental and sleep in the car at the show? Go ahead, you can keep the rest.
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Dragonfly - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:48:55 EST ID:QfdOh4Ns No.6167690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167616
That's not what I said. The propaganda I'm talking about is the general bullshit sentiment of "work hard and you'll get pushed" or "paying your dues". Vince convinces all of them that it's BETTER to get things as individuals, rather than getting a group discount.
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Mankind - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:23:28 EST ID:CoYCL5kU No.6167804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167690
So stuff totally unrelated to unionization?
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Darkness Crabtree - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:04:03 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6167882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167598
t. doesn't know what bootlicking is

>>6167655
So lots of businesses will be driven to USA?
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Michael Cole - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 06:19:30 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6167911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6167614
I remade it
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Michael Cole - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 06:24:46 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6167913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6167911
alternative version
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Yumiko Inoue - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 07:20:54 EST ID:rdqm7F+V No.6167928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6167911
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Kenny - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:56:30 EST ID:0vkB/Sdc No.6168138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167911
>BROTHA

wut
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Jakob Hammermeier - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:05:25 EST ID:csnmyIah No.6168142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The wrestlers are the biggest marks in the building, is why.
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Michael Cole - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:10:23 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6168146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168138
Did Hogan say Brother or Brotha? I'm not american and may be ignorant of the nuance?
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Bull Nanako - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:11:17 EST ID:sUFiWdXC No.6168148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168146
Brother
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Michael Cole - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:22:10 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6168154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6168148
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Balls Mahoney - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:30:27 EST ID:0g8+IxW/ No.6168162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166843
Yeah, totally! That's why so many of them die young due to substance abuse and comulative physical trauma. It's why we have gofundme pages for their operations. It's why so many of them are so afraid to speak up they do shit they know is incredibly stupid because Vince and Haitch can end you with a word. It's why they have to pay for their own travel and don't get time to rehab injuries. It's why Punk nearly died and shat himself in the ring on live TV.

Because wrestlers are so smart they don't need unions. Also, the Kliq was a handful of guys who were really successful and wealthy using their position to fuck over those less fortunate. That's pretty much the polar opposite of what a union is.
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Kenny - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:44:33 EST ID:0vkB/Sdc No.6168170 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168146
Hogan's a hard-r kinda guy
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Johnny the Bull - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 15:52:01 EST ID:PpNm7R9B No.6168181 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who think they get paid too well to start a union are apparently oblivious to the Screen Actors Guild or NFL Players' Association. What stands in the way of unionization is the precarious nature of the work. Jesse Ventura getting fired after Hulk Hogan snitched on him for union organizing is all the proof you need of this. Until wrestlers become employees, Vince has all the leverage he needs to quash any labor rebellion that comes his way. Because independent contractors (I presume) aren't covered by labor regulations that make it illegal to fire based on participation in unionization drives, and because Vince is the monopoly employer, wrestlers have little choice but to follow along.

A problem for smaller time guys, like indie workers, is that promoters could easily band together to blacklist wrestlers that join a union and only hire non-union wrestlers. This means that the first handful of wrestlers who join the union have to have enough sway to bring others in with them.

>>6166843
The Kliq had little weight when it came to actually negotiating contracts or creative control, and they fucked Vince more than a union would have by jumping ship to WCW (because they couldn't exactly do collective bargaining for a contract that worked for all of them).
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Michael Cole - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:30:51 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6168200 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168181
Even if it was just a union for indie guys, you can imagine the WWE putting out messages like "if you join this indie union, your chances of getting signed to the wwe are reduced"
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:52:14 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6168206 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168181
The problem with the Unions for athletes/actors is that it's not exactly as easy to sympathize with them. An everyday man working at the Docks or in the Meat Packing Plant basically has NOTHING in common with even the lowest paid NFL player. It's kinda hard to give a fuck about their problems because honestly their problems are still luxurious.

>This means that the first handful of wrestlers who join the union have to have enough sway to bring others in with them.
and the guys with enough sway to do this are the top dogs of the industry, and they wont do this.

>>6168200
well that's kind of a two way "fuck you" because the Union would prevent them from doing non Union promotions anyways, which would include WWE.
It could easily be as shitty for a guy trying to get out of a Union to go to WWE but having to jump through a bunch of hoops. Though legally you ought to be able to leave a Union whenever you want, sometimes it simply just isn't that easy. and to top it all off, it's a Union that basically involves carnies? the union itself not being scummy would be a shock.
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Honky Tonk Man - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:34:17 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6168222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168206
>It's kinda hard to give a fuck about their problems because honestly their problems are still luxurious.

>CTE is a luxurious problem
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Johnny the Bull - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:43:13 EST ID:PpNm7R9B No.6168226 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168206
What they have in common is that they're paid a wage or salary in exchange for work and likely don't have any other substantial property to their names, leaving them dependent on the industry's good fortunes for an income. This isn't true for every player or wrestler or even every worker, but it is true for most of them, hence why unions get started.

Definitely agree that the wrestlers with the pull necessary to start a union won't be starting one anytime soon, though. The best hope might be something like what Shane Douglas was advocating, a promotion where the wrestlers themselves own the company.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 18:20:35 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6168243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168222
they get paid millions of dollars in exchange for brain problems. I mean that tradeoff certainly may not be worth it for them in the long run but.. that doesn't exactly relate to a guy stocking shelves in a grocery store.
sure the guy working at the grocery store isn't going to worry about his brain turning to mush.. but he isn't driving multiple sports cars and has a mansion, going to clubs with 5 figure bar tabs, etc.

I will grant you again about the CTE is that it wasn't always known about. So the older guys are fucked, and even with the settlement the NFL had, will they really get much help from that? something tells me not really. Those are the guys I feel more bad about because they didn't know, and that's a fair point.
Yet this generation knows. Anybody going into the NFL now, knowing what they know about CTE (even if the NFL tries to pretend its still not a big deal).. how can I really give care if they still CHOOSE to go to the NFL? It's not up to me to care at that point, it's up to them.

>>6168226
yeah but again, this is wrestling, how long would that last until someone politics his way to better fortune over others?
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Sherri Martel - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 20:16:08 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6168329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168206
How would the union have any power to stop a wrestler from signing somewhere? Assuming it's a given that the wrestler would voluntarily leave the union
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Kana - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 20:37:45 EST ID:QfdOh4Ns No.6168341 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6167928
As a huge Beatles fan, this is amazing.
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Kana - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 20:38:48 EST ID:QfdOh4Ns No.6168342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6167804
>Individualism
>Self-determination

>unrelated to unionization
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 21:00:43 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6168355 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168329
if they sign anything that gives the Union the power to fine them for going against the Union. You have to agree to join the Union after all. Just like with anything else, you agree to their bylaws.

also as stated above yes you can legally leave a Union when you want to but sometimes Unions have a way of making this process a pain. especially if it's in their bylaws that you just agreed to that you must go through this hassle. A lot of it also depends on your local laws:
Teachers in Michigan can only quit their Union in August. seems rather ridiculous requirement for wanting to get out but there it is.
so who's to say where this Union is based, especially since a lot of work is all over the country taking bookings everywhere
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Savannah - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:58:01 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6168418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168355
That sounds more like a problem with America's utter lack of nationwide government synergy
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Eddie Edwards - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 01:02:01 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6168419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168418
wow great political insight and totally directly related to wrestling

nb for shit
I'd rather have the child model board back than this new "pol is okay if you cram a wrestler into it" shit
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Sherri Martel - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 06:25:03 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6168467 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168355
my understanding is that Unions are private entities right? If a wrestler gets signed to WWE, it's really unlikely that a union would try and stop them and how would they do it anyway? sue them?
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Savannah - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 07:45:29 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6168481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168419
Why are you this mad? It's relevant to the topic at hand.
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 07:54:43 EST ID:I1up7wS9 No.6168485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168481
He's mad because people are actually discussing unions and not screeching about commies, liberals, and why unions hurt the feelings of our precious masters. Nb
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 09:09:40 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6168504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168467
It's hard to predict how a Wrestling Union would actually be
most instances of Unions punishing/fining their members comes from the fact that they defy a voted upon Union Strike and basically end up as scabs/strike breakers.
when that happens, pending the specific bylaw they just violated, they will be fined.
and then yes, if the union has to they will take it to arbitration or just flat out sue you.

I feel a Wrestling Union would be just as carny as Pro Wrestling in itself. I feel that if you join the Union they would make it so you can only work in the network of Union promotions. As ridiculous as it seems that also may include limiting your ability to work overseas.
If WWE is interested in you but obviously they aren't Union, and you are a Union guy, then you might have a hard time comin up since you agree to be with them.
that's when the whole "wanting out" bullshit comes up again. Imagine it being like being stuck in a WWE contract but not THAT bad. You want out so you can do something else, but they are giving you a hard time about it.
Of course this is just all of my assumption of how a pro wrestling Union would be, it certainly may not ever be that way at all should it happen.

a good union is a good thing, it's there for you and it's helped make things better for its members. Yet even if you cross a "good" union you'll find them to be pretty unforgiving and intimidating.
I can't imagine a pro wrestling union being "good."
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Curry Man - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:32:12 EST ID:V6iBflBm No.6168537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168485
>wow you say you don't like football talk you must be a dumb stinky dolphins fan not like us cool sexy bills fans
This is why pol is shit
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Savannah - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:25:36 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6168549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168537
That analogy is whack as heck
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Dump Matsumoto - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:26:55 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6168550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6168537
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Ron Garvin - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:29:41 EST ID:ludzp4qn No.6168555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6168549
wack
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Suwama - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:50:44 EST ID:eq7gL/QF No.6168564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Everyone ITT
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Rey Mysterio - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:13:37 EST ID:uHcDeCaG No.6168573 Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
>>Everyone ITT
Yes, just like your image there's been a number of shit analogues in the thread. Labor having some collective representation is not fucking one step away from Stalinism.

And in wrestling specifically, if there was some collective representation, bullshit like the "independent contractor vs employee" situation might finally actually get resolved. Any wrestler working for WWE is an employee in everything but name.

There's other bullshit like WWE holding guys like Rey Mysterio and PAC on "frozen contracts" for months and months unending that collective representation could help put an end to.
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Kevin Von Erich - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:19:04 EST ID:FSnsXLzQ No.6168576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
this doesn't relate to the thread

unions and workers rights doesn't equal communism at all. you know this
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Karl Anderson - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:16:57 EST ID:AFoRfC56 No.6168689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
>selling your computer will generate enough money to end world hunger
Whoever made this needs to rethink their argument here.
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Willie Richardson - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 17:04:28 EST ID:hwUE1etB No.6168711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
why would a communist sell and buy and stuff. that's like the biggest difference between it and capitalism
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Nanae Takahashi - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 17:06:27 EST ID:nDYCLFBn No.6168714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168711
No. No it isn't.

Wrestlers need balls to unionize. Remember they are not technically employees even though they actually are in WWE
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El Valiente - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 17:25:53 EST ID:akt0/AoE No.6168716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168714
Cody taking the piss out of the "independent contractor" thing on the BTE Halloween special was great.
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Kobald - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:00:51 EST ID:LNeSBRQV No.6168734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
im taking the bait so nb but what the fuck is stopping anyone from doing both those things?
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Nanae Takahashi - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:21:09 EST ID:nDYCLFBn No.6168742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168734
Nothing. It just shows most people trying to criticize socialism don't understand it and think things wouldn't exist anymore or whatever
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Chri - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:24:48 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6168746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
I have to agree, a true communist would move to Africa and feed their computer to starving children
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:46:44 EST ID:Z8jsFD+3 No.6168755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
>Can't possibly help everyone, so it doesn't make any sense to try and help anybody

This worldview is the absolute worst of them all.
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Elix Skipper - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:52:57 EST ID:KojqY+5B No.6168758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Being all cryptic and jokey about it on Being the Elite isn't going to do anything.
The wrestlers who want unionization need to be serious about it. When Meltzer is the loudest pro-union voice you don't have a movement yet.
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Kerry Von Erich - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:55:57 EST ID:PpNm7R9B No.6168760 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6168755
yeah don't worry about dudes who get their politics from images that look like this one
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Maxine - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 18:57:45 EST ID:App5w9hk No.6168761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168760
Fun fact: the guy that wrote all those /pol/-tier MS Paint comics is a literal pedophile
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Equinox - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:09:58 EST ID:akt0/AoE No.6168766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168761
Well that's not surprising at all.
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A.J. Styles - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:25:17 EST ID:icW3dSYi No.6168863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168761
wtf I love strawman ms paint comics now
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Hallowicked - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:34:16 EST ID:iLe2GkB4 No.6168865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168863
Jerry pls
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Greg The Hammer Valentine - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 01:03:34 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6168878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168761
Stop the fucking presses.
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Trinity - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 01:56:25 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6168888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168564
Congratulations, in a thread full of anti-union bootlicking you've made the dumbest post of all.
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MEN's Teioh - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:06:06 EST ID:WLY+CsFE No.6168902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get the tankies out of /wooo/
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Tiffany Mellon - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:22:43 EST ID:62+B7o96 No.6168906 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168902
everyone but the tankies left already
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Maven - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:32:03 EST ID:yeCBTvcr No.6169147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Great pol thread fags
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Sami Callihan - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:16:13 EST ID:rxzq+xSB No.6169947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168761
[citation needed]
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Pinkie Sanchez - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:32:58 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6169956 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6168902
Humane working conditions is literally tanky, go back to bootlicking on pol
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Dory Funk Jr. - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 02:31:17 EST ID:pZ742+28 No.6170277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166852
UAW was busted last year for money laundering
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Sting - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 02:49:39 EST ID:eQ54i7AC No.6170286 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For there to actually be money in the business. Like 80's wrestling money consistently.
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Ivan Putski - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 05:23:24 EST ID:92/wfsFm No.6170299 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestling is filled with broken people. The business is also cutthroat.

My answer is never. The boys don't care for it and the promoters ensire the work enviroment stays toxic and cutthroat.
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 09:35:10 EST ID:Z8jsFD+3 No.6170359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170299
I think the boys would go for it given the right circumstance, but the culture and history behind wrestling would make it very tough. it's unique standing in society where no regulatory bodies really give a shit about it from any direction besides maybe vulgarity and violence on TV helps it get away with a lot.
There's not a whole lot of empathy for wrestlers, or wrestling fans even. There's a reason most of us don't like to scream about wrestling in public.
I think it would take the right set of circumstances, and the right couple of big name guys to really make it happen and believe in it. Also, they would need to convince the other guys it was worth it.
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The Maestro - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:37:50 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6170398 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170286
WWE is getting a billion dollars for SmackDown alone
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:31:42 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6170445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6166831
>and the right couple of big name guys to really make it happen and believe in it.
they'd never do it, and it's that simple.
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Alere Little Feather - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 14:46:30 EST ID:KMfulkmf No.6170496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170299
This
They're scummy carnies who'll sell everyone else out or faggot marks who'll take whatever they're handed

Anything else is delusional
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Zeus - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:17:33 EST ID:PpNm7R9B No.6170512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170277
UAW is a shite ass business union. Bring back the IWW era ==b
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Kristal - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:21:34 EST ID:GmzCwV6J No.6170514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Okay, it's been a week. I just want you to know I made this thread only to post the picture of the greatest wrestling stable in history.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:29:52 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6170519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170514
well I mean maybe take some pride.
you'd think a touchy subject like Unions in Pro Wrestling would have just been a complete shitfest locked thread but just about everyone in here has been relatively civil, regardless of their opinion of the matter.
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Ezekiel Jackson - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:04:43 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6170532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170514
What was the point of the fucking 2x4s?
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El Gringo Loco - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:10:03 EST ID:C7S8YadO No.6170536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170532
To womp people with
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Soldier Ant - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:14:36 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6170541 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170514
>Vince, the boss, part of the Union


Ya fucked up son.
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Seth Rollins - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:25:05 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6170550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170532
theyr'e the board of directors
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:44:19 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.6170577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170532
it would have taken too much time to fire up the air pump for the giant inflatable rat
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Tank - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:08:44 EST ID:ZrOuap0O No.6170607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6170532

Survivor Series '89 cosplay.
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AdmiralBritain - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:31:58 EST ID:usV48yMr No.6170614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170607
I love how out of place Bret is on this team. He almost looks photoshopped in.
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Tommaso Ciampa - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:13:40 EST ID:s9GAaDkv No.6170629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170532

dunno but it got 2x4s into No Mercy 64 so I'm cool with it
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Tank - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:15:01 EST ID:ZrOuap0O No.6170631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6170614
Anvil fit in much better with his team that year.
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AdmiralBritain - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:47:59 EST ID:usV48yMr No.6170683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6170631
Because he did giant, snowy piles of cocaine?
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Kyle O'Reilly - Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:44:23 EST ID:eQYPrjvq No.6170742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally a miracle.


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