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So how long by Triple H - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:41:13 EST ID:gJOPxW8a No.6169080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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So how long until he becomes the next Cena/Roman, and gets shit on because of it?
Eugene - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:44:15 EST ID:bebQqTbh No.6169081 Ignore Report Quick Reply
it would be cool if he felt like he had an actual gimmick or something. I already don't care about him and generally WWE will most likely drop the ball at building a new star again.
Duke Droese - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:46:02 EST ID:q3+nOzSG No.6169082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's going to be the heel to Braun for a good while.
Devon - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 12:54:16 EST ID:YxXqjyk9 No.6169086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Marco Corleone - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 13:10:34 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6169099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Here's my prediction

If Galloway becomes a huge star for WWE then Triple H will somehow find a way to make it known that he was the one behind it

If he doesn't, then Triple H will find a way to distance himself from him.
Jamie Noble - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 13:22:53 EST ID:NaM/D/90 No.6169103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love Drew but I don't think he's suited to 5MOD main eventer.
Boddy Roode - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 13:25:07 EST ID:0vkB/Sdc No.6169104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He'll be the Orton to the next Cena
WrestlingTheSport - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 13:52:03 EST ID:RtvftpwA No.6169108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can't wait for him to get to the main event so /wooo/ can start talking about how he's never been very good and is overpushed and should crawl into the ocean and die.
Mike Enos - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 13:56:47 EST ID:/RF+xYPk No.6169110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I can see him in that spot now
imagine even considering this in his 3MB days
he got his ass in gear and looks like a top guy now
Tank Abbott - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:00:17 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6169111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's a heel now though.
Mima Shimoda - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:03:43 EST ID:NHNpA5vh No.6169112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
And how did he do it?
By leaving the company.
Lot of folks on the roster should take note and take a chance.
Ricky Steamboat - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:09:13 EST ID:yK+/6lvl No.6169116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Should've been here in 2010.
Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:21:17 EST ID:BxsoGG2K No.6169120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Good. As Roman should have been.
Marco Corleone - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:37:53 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6169129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Am I the only who remembers that the IWC turning on Roman only came after news reports about him "passing tests" backstage? It feels like the whole thing was smarks desperately trying not to get "worked"
Greg The Hammer Valentine - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:39:53 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6169130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yep, you are, because that didn't happen.
Jim Powers - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:46:12 EST ID:aGEIqs7q No.6169134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People were disliking Roman long before he got suspended for roids. The “IWC” turned on Roman when he stopped being the cool, silent heavy of the Shield and turned into Vince’s keyword machine.
Mephisto - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:50:10 EST ID:N7stDOR2 No.6169135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
people turned on him because he kept being pushed THE GUY even though it was blatantly obvious that bryan was better and way more over. they kept holding bryan back and booking roman as unstoppable so it just kept making things worse and worse.
Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 14:58:49 EST ID:BxsoGG2K No.6169138 Ignore Report Quick Reply
IWC turned on Roman because he was pushed instead of Daniel Bryan along with being the corporate pick as the guy.
Mitsuharu Misawa - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:00:31 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6169139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It went beyond that as time went on. There were MULTIPLE guys more over than him, and yet WWE was determined to push him no matter what.
Beef Wellington - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:16:17 EST ID:dVvsHXyz No.6169142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It was the combination of the weekly reports from Meltzer and the other news sites about them planning to make him the next top babyface and favoring him over everyone else, WWE themselves making it VERY obvious on TV with how they began presenting him, fans not wanting to see another Cena push, especially for a guy like Reigns, and the fact that the Daniel Bryan Yes Movement had just been a thing and fans felt like he deserved to be at the top instead.

Once the Shields face run began on here it was like the switch just got flipped and everyone were vultures, chomping at the bit, looking for anything to dislike about the guy and anticipating the idea of him getting booed and failing. Hell, I was one of them.
Jimmy Uso - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:17:28 EST ID:8yqvpk/a No.6169143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's also the fact he was dogshit
Alberto Del Rio - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:28:05 EST ID:0g8+IxW/ No.6169145 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would argue it was less about finding something to dislike about the guy as the obvious disappointment over the clearly worst guy in the trio, who until then had gotten really solid booking as the "hot tag, hits a big move and kills everyone" guy in multi-man matches, suddenly being pushed as the breakout singles star.

I feel he'd have done better being pushed as a secondary badass. Not even necessarily a heel, but at the very least the silent badass who isn't The Guy, but beats ass whenever he comes out. Gradually move him up the card. Maybe he'd even be the muscle for another heel, only to turn on him once he's fimrly established as the actual asskicker. Worked for Batista.
Cactus Jack - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:44:42 EST ID:0iNAxdoO No.6169148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is what Roman haters never want to mention. Roman was by far the most popular member of Shield. I remember at the end of like 2013 Punk was cutting a promo about which member he wanted to face and the entire crowd chanted for Roman. Also if you look up crowd reactions before the Rumble he was getting universally cheered. Crowds didn't turn on him until they realized he was going to get the WM slot over Bryan, when Bryan was physically unable to be trusted in the first place. Then you couple that with the Punk/Cabana podcast about 2 months before the Rumble and suddenly enough people had turned on Roman to tank the next year and a half for him. All because he wasn't Danny Bryan. Once shit catches on on TV, it spreads everywhere.

And they are STILL mad at Roman for getting the push over Bryan, when Roman getting picked over him was proven to be the right choice not even a month after WM.
Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:49:47 EST ID:BxsoGG2K No.6169150 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Daniel Bryan was far and away most popular
Eugene - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:54:45 EST ID:bebQqTbh No.6169153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Although that guy makes some good points people seem to overthink the whole Roman thing and forget that he just isn't very good. I think he improved on the mic a lot this year but his mic skills are trash most of the time. His in ring work is trash. He doesn't even have a good look. His stupid vest and greasy hair made me think that he smelled and looked like poo all the time.

I remember seeing him wrestle on tv at a bar during a period when I wasn't following any wrestling at all and I didn't know who he was. My first thought was "damn that guy looks awful". Then I saw that he was in the main event and I thought "he must be a shitty mid-carder thats getting a chance in the main event".
Stevie Richards - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:28:12 EST ID:bL8jRYMe No.6169173 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like you're baiting, but I'll reply anyway.
Literally no one denies Roman was over when The Shield was still going. It wasn't until after they broke up that people became less interested in him and he was easily the least over of the three. And regardless of whether or not he had some cheers leading into the Rumble, his push was still incredibly hamfisted and happened long before he was actually worth a shit on his own.

Also, what happened a month after WM that "proved" he was the right choice?
Evangelina - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:40:25 EST ID:nvb31/+n No.6169179 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally, the only reason everyone hates Roman Reigns is because as soon as Shield broke up, HE KEPT THE SHIELD ATTIRE AND MUSIC and didn't change, meanwhile Ambrose and Rollins had a mid-card WHACKY WONKY feud that sent Ambrose home for a month or two because.. of reasons.

Then Roman never got pushed... he was hurt after Shield broke up, came back, won Wrestler of the Year despite missing a large chunk of it, won the Royal Rumble, and was given a Wrestlemania match.. despite NO FUCKING BUILD.

For those who don't know.
>Shield split up.
>Gets hurt.
>Comes back wins Royal Rumble
>Wrestlemania Main Event

He wasn't even pushed, he was just put at the top of the card with no hype, no build, nothing.
Jim Powers - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:49:52 EST ID:aGEIqs7q No.6169189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just to add to him not changing after the Shield, he kept the body armor and music but his persona drifted far away from the quiet big man the crowds had grown accustomed to. What really killed it for the audience was the SUFFERING SUCCOTASH promos that greatly contradicted what his persona was which was a big, tough, serious Samoan killer.
Hajime Ohara - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:56:21 EST ID:wgXTJt8D No.6169193 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>This is what Roman haters never want to mention. Roman was by far the most popular member of Shield. I remember at the end of like 2013 Punk was cutting a promo about which member he wanted to face and the entire crowd chanted for Roman.
This was the point I had turned on Roman, way ahead of the trend. He was being used well in his role as the enforcer, but it was right around here that The Shield was turning into Roman Reigns and His Incompetent Special Needs Friends. Roman got the four eliminations and sole survivor status at Survivor Series, he got to beat Punk clean, he got the Rumble elimination record, and for some INSANE fucking reason they had him positioned as the leader heading into the feud with the Wyatts even though everyone knew then and knows now that that feud, amazing as it wound up being anyway, would have been best served with Ambrose taking the lead for it.

I really started to hate him. It was so obvious at that point WWE had found their next Cena. Not only was Reigns in the lead for the Wyatt feud, they had a segment where Bray found him backstage and spoke about how he found Roman "a very fascinating creature" or something along those lines. Then after a month where Seth got to take the lead for a meaningless feud with Kane - probably because it was their face turn and Seth was the most natural fit to make it happen - Roman was right back at the front for the feud with Evolution, with Triple H now being the one putting Roman over as the interesting one and the focus of the feud in every promo.

What sucks is I didn't even hate Roman himself. Naturally, the problem was with management, in this case their classic tunnelvision booking. At the time I really felt like WWE was squeezing everything they could out of Seth and Dean to put Roman over, and that they'd be dropped like two sacks of shit when their usefulness to this end had run out. Of course, hindsight shows how very, very wrong I was, to my eternal relief, but we're all familiar with WWE's inability to think about having more than one person at the top, right? And given how little we had seen from Roman in the ring at that point and how much the Shield were relying on Dean and ESPECIALLY Seth to carry their matches, I knew long before it happened that if they pushed Roman too fast it was all going to fall apart in the ring.

So yes, I remember very well how popular Roman was in late 2013 from doing kickass spears and Superman punches and driveby dropkicks. But I also remember the fact that the people started turning on Roman before the Cabana podcast hit. The crowds didn't completely turn on him overnight obviously, that just doesn't happen. But Roman's popularity started slipping after the Shield broke up and he started being put into individual competition and showed just how green he was. Remember how lost he was during the Money in the Bank match? Or during the Fatal Four Way at Battleground? Or his match against Orton at Summerslam? He lost his Shield overness from his poor performances in those matches (and his awful promos as well), and they are the reason why people really started making their disapproval known when word started going around that WWE really was going forward with the Roman vs Brock match, which we had already been hearing about for a few months before then.
Duke Droese - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:57:33 EST ID:q3+nOzSG No.6169195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Also, what happened a month after WM that "proved" he was the right choice?

Bryan getting fucked and getting shelved. I and others have said it before, WM31 should have been Bryan/Brock and ends with the mother of all comebacks stopped by Seth cashing in. Roman could slay the foreign monster heel for MURRICA and Cena can win the IC title for the first time. The fans get the Bryan Rumble win and Mania push they wanted, they also get Brock/Bryan. Roman gets a nice set up singles run to get him hot for later down the line, Cena can still do his open challenge and do it for the "workhorse" title and Seth gets made into the top heel for stealing the title. Bryan would almost certainly have to take time off and later "retire" soon after WM so they could go further and have Seth end his career in a rematch too.
Stevie Richards - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 16:57:42 EST ID:bL8jRYMe No.6169196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
His character in the buildup to that Mania was a complete mess. They had no idea what they wanted him to be so they just had him play a different character every week. One week he's a wise-cracking funny guy, the next week he's a tough badass of a few words, and the last week he's a child playing tug of war with the belt.
Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:00:30 EST ID:BxsoGG2K No.6169199 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>This was the point I had turned on Roman, way ahead of the trend.
Christ almighty...
Stevie Richards - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:09:34 EST ID:bL8jRYMe No.6169204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh okay, I thought he was referring to something that happened specifically with Roman, as Bryan getting hurt doesn't prove Roman was the "right" choice but rather that Bryan was the "wrong" choice. And even then whose to say he would've gotten that concussion if his booking took a completely different path at that time?
Either way I wholeheartedly agree having Bryan, Roman and Cena all trade roles on that show would've made for a much better outcome for everybody, ESPECIALLY Roman.
Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:13:13 EST ID:BxsoGG2K No.6169205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>but rather that Bryan was the "wrong" choice.
They never chose Bryan
Stevie Richards - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:21:17 EST ID:bL8jRYMe No.6169209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>but rather that Bryan *would have been* the "wrong" choice
Better? I'm assuming you're just being a grammer nazi and don't think I'm actually implying they chose Bryan. nb
Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:23:08 EST ID:BxsoGG2K No.6169210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You implied they were choosing between Roman and Bryan and they went with Roman.
Stevie Richards - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 17:29:50 EST ID:bL8jRYMe No.6169212 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't, but even if I did that's not the same thing as implying they chose Bryan. And even still, I'm just replying to someone who said Roman > Bryan was the right choice.
Billy Gunn - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:06:40 EST ID:hj11i0MX No.6169238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>shitting on DrewMac

The guy can work, cut an awesome promo (if Vince lets him), and he's paid his dues. What fucking idiot would shit on him?
Haruna Akagi - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:09:09 EST ID:K20kw6yS No.6169239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Roman hate really blew up onto a big thing after the first CM Punk podcast and the Keep Him Strong story.

That is the outcome
I'll be wishing
Yokozuna - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:41:18 EST ID:0CIbrPbW No.6169254 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's huge and looks badass, but his matches are kinda mediocre to me and his theme is absolute earrape, 4/10, wouldn't push.
Truth Martini - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:51:33 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6169259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but he was booed and did fail.

he was pushed harder than anyone in wwe has ever been, and then got cancer and is gone indefinitely.

there is no bigger failure in wrestling. biggest failure in seeing the future, at least.
Big E Langston - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:04:47 EST ID:s9GAaDkv No.6169268 Ignore Report Quick Reply

He'll get jobbed out to an Attitude Era star way before that ever happens.
Max Moon - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:46:52 EST ID:0vkB/Sdc No.6169293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They should play up the Monster Hunter gimmick and give him a palico
Tully Blanchard - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:48:41 EST ID:cr0kvadq No.6169295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In two years /wooo/ will be wishing he'd die in a plane crash.
Bob Armstrong - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:04:49 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6169338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>implying /wooo/ will have any lolWWE fans by two years from now
The Great Sasuke - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:12:28 EST ID:wgXTJt8D No.6169349 Ignore Report Quick Reply
After /wooo/ gave Roman cancer? I would hope this fucking board learned our lesson...
Lizmark Jr. - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:15:06 EST ID:62+B7o96 No.6169351 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The only people left on /wooo/ at all by that point will be the mods and swerveface
Prince Nana - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:22:25 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6169357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So the only people left will be the mods.

...what? Swerveface isn't a person.
Big E Langston - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:24:14 EST ID:s9GAaDkv No.6169359 Ignore Report Quick Reply

All humans will be long gone long gone, all of our posts formed into a collective AI where Netjester incoherently argues with himself eternally....
The People - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:50:31 EST ID:T3pNx6NP No.6169368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>NJ creates an "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" situation with every /wooo/kie, except instead of horrible torture he just has everyone compete in bumbles where only the winners of the bumbliests can escape.
Bob Armstrong - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:52:26 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6169371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Magnus - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 00:30:41 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6169419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everyone talks about X event being what cost Reigns his overness but go back and watch his big matches just before his injury.

The crowd gets less and less interested in him as his SummerSlam match with Orton goes on, with the crowd actually splitting and cheering Orton at possibly his most boring.

And then he starts feuding with Rollins and the crowd splits AGAIN cheering Rollins when he was at peak "scum of The Earth" level.
David Arquette - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 00:37:45 EST ID:FN6L+ucZ No.6169421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Evan Karagias - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 09:32:33 EST ID:bturAiTI No.6169485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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christ, when are bumbles coming back?
The Dog - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 10:36:11 EST ID:P3CB13na No.6169494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Crowds didn't turn on Roman until they realized he was going to get the WM slot over Bryan, when Bryan was physically unable to be trusted

Roman's push was accelerated immediately after coming back from a hernia surgery he'd been needing for a while. It was also recently made public he has a history of cancer. This argument holds no water anymore.
Mitsuharu Misawa - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:07:31 EST ID:YxXqjyk9 No.6169497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
What Saudi money mark-um I mean Crown Prince will be sponsoring the Greatest Bumble ?
Greg Iron - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 14:29:28 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6169550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>"Bryan was physically unable to be trusted."
>decide to make the next "guy" someone with a history of cancer.

really makes you think.
Mike Adamle - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 14:49:50 EST ID:z54f/jWb No.6169555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Prince Nana - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:02:21 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6169639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Netjester must go through Seth to get to the High Goddess.
Captain Lou Albano - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:11:49 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6169644 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think we'll have another "The Guy" for a while. Even if it's against his nature Vince has probably realized it's really unwise to put all your chips on one guy. Sure dudes will still get pushed hard for some periods but not long periods and trying to have them main event Mania 3 years in a row and that kind of shit.

But yeah Drew will be a main event guy and be ok at it. He was overshadowed by a lot of stuff happening when he was on top in TNA and managed to be a decent main-eventer there.
DJ Hyde - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:22:01 EST ID:4fzaLmAg No.6169648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Vince has probably realized it's really unwise to put all your chips on one guy
As if Vince is smart enough to realize this.
Captain Lou Albano - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:30:19 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6169650 Ignore Report Quick Reply
John is quickly exiting the business unceremoniously just like Rock did in 2003 and Roman just went down to something totally unexpected. Vince will have PTSD for a while and be afraid to push anyone too hard unless some ideal "Bodybuilder with a good face and good mic skills that has decent ring skills" shows up. And he might show up who the fuck knows, maybe Vince finally discovers Eli Drake and Brian Cage, but I think even then Vince will diversify the roster more in the next 5 or so years.
Captain Lou Albano - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:52:23 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6169655 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Like, Vince actually had that kind of pattern in the past. Sure he always had guys that were obviously supposed to be the top face but guys after Hogan and before Austin didn't get pushed THAT hard and same thing after Austin/Rock before Cena. And hell Cena only felt like the default Guy after a bunch of people left in 2010. The roster had a lot of variety in the 00's and there was no one clear guy and the landscape now is like that now more than it's been since 2009 probably.
Stan Lane - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:54:31 EST ID:9BO9wFhY No.6169658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The moment they give him a shit gimmick and ask him to tone his moves down.
Captain Lou Albano - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:58:57 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6169659 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He doesn't do much in the ring anymore anyway. Just a lot of brawling, generic suplexes and the Claymore. The hook DDT is nowhere to be found anymore and he doesn't have any named signature moves.
Paul London - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:07:15 EST ID:H+HnPzss No.6169665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cage is too short and Drake isn't cut enough.

If Riddle got a bit more yoked up and could do more promo wise than be RVD, but a real shooter, Vince'd probably love him.
Brian Hebner - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:11:57 EST ID:sChpv64K No.6169670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Cage is too short
I don't think that matters because WWE roster today is pretty short overall except for a couple people like Strowman and Harper who tower over everyone. Cage will look big next to everyone he's supposed to look big against.
>and Drake isn't cut enough.
Hey neither was Roman except the arms. And i think he could bulk up to EC3 levels easily.
Eugene - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:13:00 EST ID:Lca6wfJc No.6169671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
When was the last time you saw Drake? Dude looks like a million bucks
Paul London - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:29:06 EST ID:H+HnPzss No.6169679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Even with the fact that dudes are shrinking, WWE is still the land of the giants. Cage is billed 6'0'' which means he's probably about 5'10'' shoot. Since Cage's whole thing is roided up fuckmonster, he has to look as big or as tall as WWE heavyweights, who still sit over 6 feet. He'd work well in NXT, but on the main roster he'd probably end up like Big E.

Eli Drake looks great now, but he doesn't look like a god sculpted of bronze and HGH. That's the level of shredded that gets Vince hard and even then, it isn't working out so well for EC3 right now. Also: Eli Drake is a dude who tries really hard to be The Rock. Roman Reigns is blood related to The Rock.
Paul London - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:30:57 EST ID:H+HnPzss No.6169681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If Brian Cage were as tall as Eli Drake and could cut a promo like Eli Drake, or if Eli Drake looked and could work like Cage, then he'd have a shot.

nb for double post
Consequences Creed - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 19:31:26 EST ID:Rbt5tkGR No.6169682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So 2009?
Krissy Vaine - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 21:36:58 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6169734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vince does not give a shit if somebody is a shooter.
Colin Delaney - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 22:10:07 EST ID:3NTV2g3P No.6169744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Droom Ackintyre is a huge example of a "you're supposed to like this guy" wrestler, where Vince wants him to be a big deal fairly quick, without letting the crowd form its own opinions on him. It feels like the answer to every question comes down to a Vince-ism.

What's his character? Who cares, look at 'im!
Why is he there? Who cares, look at 'im!
Why should I care either way? Who cares, look at 'im!

This was his problem in his original run, and it's clearly the problem now. He'd make a great foil for an IC level guy and if they kept him around the belt for about a year, he'd probably do great. But it's clear that Vince wants to take the cake out of the oven before it's done, and is champing at the bit to make him a main eventer before he's ready and at the same time likely not giving him wins that ultimately actually matter. And whenever that happens, the wrestler is punished for it when it ultimately doesn't pan out.

They already did this once with him, and the second Vince lost interest, they showed what they really thought of him. They already brought back Jinder and did the same with him, including losing interest and turning him back into a joke. What happens when the shitty writing stops Drew from setting the world on fire?

Of course, by then, Jack Swagger will be back and all the reports will say that Vince is high on HIM instead.
Gran Naniwa - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 22:22:40 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6169746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Difference being 2018 McIntyre is actually good enough to sustain a high level push, which wasn't true of either 2009 McIntyre or Jinder
Colin Delaney - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 22:40:25 EST ID:3NTV2g3P No.6169754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
From what I've seen, Drew is aggressively fine in the ring, where he's like a Sheamus who can put on a completely unmemorable 4-star match in his sleep, but he has zero actual personality in or outside the ring. Doing the house-style very well is honestly one of the least important things to me, because I find the house style kinda limiting.

MAYBE I'M WRONG. Which is why I'd like him to get a while to establish himself and show that he's more than that. But instead, strap in, because regardless of how the crowd responds, this guy is going to the main event sooner than later.
Woken Fatt - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 22:47:27 EST ID:E7Bn/lFw No.6169756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Heels can be top guys too. Just look at HHH, Ric Flair, hell most of the NWA's biggest stars were heels.
Kyle O'Reilly - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 22:51:42 EST ID:nvb31/+n No.6169758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Randy Orton, Mark Henry, CM Punk, Undertaker were mostly heels at the top too..

Even Punks run against Cena initially was supposed to come off as heel but it struck gold and was super babyface.
Krissy Vaine - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 23:27:33 EST ID:vTtpdQ7H No.6169768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I feel like you're honestly underrating Sheamus there, dude is still one of the best workhorses on the roster.

>Jack Swagger will be back by then

Good, he can no longer shit up Lucha Underground
Colin Delaney - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 00:35:38 EST ID:3NTV2g3P No.6169773 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Sheamus is another Cake Out Of The Oven Too Early guy. He had a good look and was capable in the ring, so they pushed him to the top of the card without really committing to him, and when it wasn't instant gold he just kinda drifted down the card. Somewhere along the way, he did become really good (I really feel him having to adapt to another company's style would elevate his game tremendously), but at that point he was in that Big Show spot, where people just don't care, because not enough effort has been put into giving him a consistent character for people to relate to. So now he's just kinda generic midboss heel hoss, when his in-ring should put him way higher.
Dutch Mantel - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 00:49:27 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6169775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>He had a good look and was capable in the ring, so they pushed him to the top of the card without really committing to him, and when it wasn't instant gold he just kinda drifted down the card.

This is a recurring problem with WWE. Vince wants the success without putting in the work; when something doesn't become an immediate success, he either drops it in favor of what has been working (see: going back to Cena after Sheamus) or becomes so stubborn to prove he can make something a success (e.g., Roman Reigns) that he sacrifices more than he should in furtherance of that goal. Hell, the post-Attitude Era history of the tag team division on both SD and Raw is littered with "well, fuck, they're not getting over immediately, give it back to some guys who are already over" experiments with teams like Deuce 'n' Domino and BISCUITS AND GRAVY.
Gran Naniwa - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 01:58:31 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6169777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
don't think Sheamus was really an example of being pushed too hard too fast as he grew into that forced main event spot pretty well over time. What killed Sheamus was consistently incompetent babyface booking, booking so bad that people genuinely couldn't stand the guy despite him being one of the absolute best workers on the WWE roster in 2012/2013
Alex Riley - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 01:58:41 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6169778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>becomes so stubborn to prove he can make something a success.

but ramen was an objective failure.

he was pushed harder than anyone has ever been in wwe history, drove the ratings down, had a 3-and-a-half year chase to beat brock because vince kept putting it off until he could find a crowd that would simply not boo him, and when he finally did beat bork, he got cancer and is out indefinitely.
Dutch Mantel - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 02:16:18 EST ID:Vh1GLAUt No.6169782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>but ramen was an objective failure.

That's kinda my point: Despite Reigns being a failure by most measures, Vince kept going because he thought Roman would be The Next Cena, and by the time Vince learned all that effort was sunk into someone who was going to be out for months, if not years, it was too late for him to admit defeat. The sunk cost fallacy is a hell of a thing.
Sonjay Dutt - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 02:51:18 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6169786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Vince kept going because he thought Roman would be The Next Cena

Which is hilarious, because ever year Cena was on top, money and rating went down.

I guess he was the next Cena.
Beulah McGillicutty - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 06:50:51 EST ID:EIoeCyxS No.6169807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like Drew. I would have loved to see a Drew/Braun program but sadly it seems Braun is a dickhead in the back so now he is doing B grade back and forths with Corbin.

Maybe all that talk is bullshit and they don't want to weaken either Drew or Braun in the long term...gotta have a loser. Thinking about it, I think I like Drew more than Braun...his GIT DEEZZ HANDS is wearing thin on my autism
Hector Garza - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:48:06 EST ID:Jsd/Y6NR No.6169838 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Is that Renee?
Cody Deaner - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:35:14 EST ID:OKBuVofJ No.6169857 Ignore Report Quick Reply

There was disappointment here as soon as the Shield debuted and it was Leakee instead of Chris Hero.
Axl Rotten - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:39:33 EST ID:nPP6jlpP No.6169862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They were never "for" him in the first place, he was just some shitter from FCW, compared to Rollins and especially Ambrose who had all that cred and hype.
People got sick of Reigns very quickly in the Shield when he stopped being their exclamation point and turned into "Roman and his two little buddies".

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