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THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE - 11TH JANUARY '19 by Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:28:19 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> AEW has strong backing financially, as the company is 100 percent owned by Shahid “Shad” Khan, 68, and son Tony, 36. Shahid is reportedly worth $6.5 billion and is listed by Forbes as the 65th richest man in the U.S. and No. 217, in the world, far outdistancing Vince McMahon or the Fertitta Brothers. It opened picking up sizable talent and there are very serious negotiations with two major cable stations for a weekly two-hour live prime time television show, doors opened by the Khan family’s business and personal connections, the value of WWE and other live sports programming rights and the blueprint of the promotion, the success of the 9/1 All In show.

> Tony Khan, a lifelong pro wrestling fan and an Observer subscriber for about 22 years, who in the past has sent in live event reports and big show feedback, will be the President of the company. He will also be the head of creative, in the Vince McMahon role, with a team that would include several others working with him in that role. While he also

> Matt & Nick Massie (Young Bucks) and Cody Runnels will all be Executive Vice Presidents. While there will be basically crossovers in responsibility, Runnels’ focus will be singles wrestling and the Young Bucks focus will be tag team wrestling. Because The Bucks come in as two of the key stars of the promotion, there will be a much higher priority when it comes t tag team wrestling than in WWE. Brandi (Rhodes) Runnels will be both the Chief Brand Officer (the Stephanie McMahon role as a public face of the company–already marketed as Chief Brandi Officer) and also focus on the women’s talent. Dana Massie, the wife of Matt, often called Mrs. Matt in social media, who has been credited with building the Young Bucks merchandise brand, will be head of merchandise.

> Ryan Barkan, who created and is the President of Pro Wrestling Tees, will also be part of the merchandise arm of the company. Chris Harrington, a stats whiz who has extensive knowledge of pro wrestling finances and business, has been hired as the head of business development. A number of other positions are in the process of being filled. There is expected to be at least one more Executive Vice President added to senior management.

> The Young Bucks and Cody all signed three year contracts with options on years four and five. The contracts make them exclusive to AEW worldwide, although if AEW was to make deals with other promotions, whether it be New Japan, Revolution Pro, OTT or others, that doesn’t preclude them from working there. Aside from Page, Britt Baker, Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian and Scorpio Sky, who were known to be part of the promotion, all the other talent currently under contract were announced and appeared at the 1/8 debut rally in Jacksonville, FL. The rally, before more than 1,000 fans, took place just outside TIAA Bank Field, the home field of the Jacksonville Jaguars that the Khan Family owns. The newcomers were Chris Jericho, Pac, MJF (Max Freidman, 22), Joey Janela and Penelope Ford. All are under contact and the different contracts vary in both time and stipulations.

> Jericho, who was one of the first people aware the Khans were interested in starting a promotion, was still in negotiations with WWE as late as the end of December. His deal signed was for three years exclusive, meaning no big show WWE appearances during that time frame. The only exemptions he negotiated into his deal where that he can continue to work and make his own deal for New Japan, where he is interested in continuing and where they are interested in his continuing, and he can do anything he wants related to future Jericho Cruises. One would expect AEW to provide the talent for the cruises going forward. While Jericho publicly said that he’s got money, and now he’s here to have fun, the reality is that he was offered a significantly better contract by AEW than what he had ever earned with WWE and still left him free for very lucrative big show New Japan paydays.

> Janela, Ford and MJF signed deals that are not exclusive. Janela and Ford’s deals allow them to continue working co-promoted events. MJF has other contractual responsibilities as he has a two-year MLW deal. Court Bauer has noted that he has been in contact with AEW and he doesn’t expect any problems and MJF would work for both promotions. At this point we’re told that AEW hasn’t pulled any of its talent from any previously agreed upon bookings. Deals with talent with vary from single date deals, three month deals, and up to three year deals.

> Brandi Runnels made a statement about men and women being paid equally, which was then taken to mean everyone would be paid the same, which is obviously not the case. The idea is that men and women of equal pushed positions would make the same money.

> The original plan for the Double or Nothing show was to run at the T Mobile Arena, which was booked for the date. The Arena then contacted Khan and said that if the Las Vegas Golden Knights NHL team was still in the Stanley Cup playoffs and had a home date scheduled for 5/25, they would have to move the show. While the odds were slim of all of that happening, the decision was made that to avoid any potential problems, they would run at the MGM Grand, which is smaller. Las Vegas was chosen because Chicago was mostly a fly-in crowd and the feeling was Las Vegas would be a place where a fly-in crowd would want to go. Memorial Day weekend had also been a historically successful night for UFC in Las Vegas but UFC was taking that weekend off.

> The show will also air on PPV, likely both streaming and television. The first All In did an estimated 50,000 to 55,000 total buys between streaming and television, with the highest percentage of streaming vs. television of any PPV show in U.S. history. That number had two key factors involved, including that is was available live on Honor Club and on a slight delay on New Japan World, plus due to a late issue at DirecTV, the show didn’t air there, which cut down a significant percentage of the PPV universe. The number is more than WWE PPV shows do these days, but obviously WWE has far more of an audience base watching its network than Honor Club or New Japan World.

> Of course, therein lies the entire story of the promotion, which is the great unknown. We know this group of wrestlers has a very supportive fan base that will spend a lot of money on merchandise and support the crew with passion. The merchandise per head at the first All In was through the roof. For the weekend itself, it averaged close to $50 per head in just T-shirt sales. But there is a difference now. Before they were hardworking guys who were independents and successful, but fighting their way to the top. They are now executives and wrestlers, earning top WWE star main event level money.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:30:40 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> It’s one thing to be able to be big draws for ROH and average 1,200 fans per show, but at this level, the money and stakes and plans to run major arenas for tapings at a time when WWE didn’t even turn much of a profit on live events last quarter, is a very different animal. Ultimately, if this second All In show can do similar numbers, that’s a great sign. If not, it is what it is, but the real game isn’t until they get television, which is expected to be later this year.

> Neither the announcement of the Young Bucks and Cody signing, nor the All In rally were among the top searches on Google. Sure, they trended on Twitter, a much easier metric that also means less, but because of that, it’s a great but ultimately meaningless metric because there’s no correlation to money. While Liddell-Ortiz was the major exception, Google searches are amazingly effective in predicting PPV numbers, and in seeing what is hot among the masses. Over the past two weeks, the only combat sports news that reached the general public to any strong degree were: UFC 232 with 2.4 million searches on 12/29; Floyd Mayweather Jr. with 500,000 on 12/31; Gene Okerlund with 500,000 on Jan. 2; Toni Storm (hacked and nude photos leaked) with 100,000 on 1/3 and Nikki Bella (news she’s dating former Dancing with the Stars teammate Artem Chigvintsev) with 100,000 on 1/3.

> In 2019, the big money has to be in television. In every major sport, that’s the key. The key to television is garnering a large audience, not a small group of fans willing to spend more money than in any other era on the product. WWE itself is falling at a pretty rapid rate, but has become more valuable because cable is after anything that will draw consistently good numbers. That’s why the success of All In opened doors for at least two major U.S. stations to come up with deals as well as an even more significant international deal in preliminary talks. But no deal is finalized, no matter what anyone says, but at least two have reached the point of money proposals because the value of wrestling is far more than even in the Attitude Era when it was far more popular.

> In the Attitude Era, wrestling did huge numbers but the key advertisers stayed away, and in the end, television was about putting on shows that could make money through advertising. Now, the negative stigma of wrestling fans and their purchasing power has changed somewhat (not completely), but television is desperate for anything that will draw them consistent viewers. Live sports are thought to be the future, and pro wrestling is viewed as live sports. In addition, streaming providers are paying a premium for products they think can help draw them subscribers. In the wrestling genre, WWE is taken, so in theory, if the numbers are strong enough there would be value in the PPV rights to big shows to the sports streaming services looking for live unique content.

> At the end of the day, the key is this. To be successful as a prime time sports property on a major station, you have to be able to deliver more than hardcore eyeballs. T-shirt sales numbers are impressive. The success of All In and the BTE numbers help in getting a TV deal. But BTE in recent weeks has ranged from 149,000 to 322,000 (for an episode based around the Kenny Omega vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi match) YouTube views worldwide, and YouTube views count anything clicked on for a few seconds, and are very different from average minute of the show. Between an edited version and full version of the rally, there were 611,000 people who watched on BTE and another 152,000 who watched a news report on the Jericho signing. Some argue that is their fan base, and that’s far from numbers to be successful with a weekly major station television show. Some will point to the YouTube numbers for BTE as a reason a television show will fail. The fact the rally and the announcement didn’t trend on Google does say this much. Right now this news and they are not mainstream.

> Today with no publicity, there are probably not enough fans to draw a big number on a major station, although TNA’s start on Spike in 2005 would say something different. But the idea is that being on a major station with the promotion from the station will expand the audience. Realistically, with today’s numbers and moved to Friday, Smackdown flops on FOX, but that’s also short-sighted because the number of people who watch FOX beats USA and they will promote is hard. Inherently, the value of television today is to reach a new audience that the nature of streaming, which more fulfills the hardcore fan base, isn’t nearly as effective in when it comes to making new fans.

> TNA was doing 200,000 to 250,000 viewers on Fox Sports Net before Spike, and immediately jumped to more than 1 million on Spike very quickly after starting, and that was out of prime time on a Saturday night. Impact had nowhere near the underground support in late 2005 that this group has coming out of the gate in 2019. But, television is also very different and a success at 11 p.m. on Saturday night on Spike that eventually leads to an audience on prime time is very different from a successful prime time audience on perhaps a much higher rated station. In addition, the talents costs it took to get Jericho, The Bucks and Cody are gigantic compared to what TNA at the time was paying even for Sting and Kurt Angle. And Impact was a huge money loser for almost its entire existence except for a brief break-even period. The risks here are higher. The person in charge is far more wrestling savvy and the major executives are extremely social media and merchandise savvy, and far more knowledgeable and open minded when it comes to the talent that is out there.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:33:38 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> The second AEW show will be during the summer in Jacksonville, with a large percentage of proceeds going to benefit victims of gun violence. There is still a lot to work out for the show, but it will most likely be in July or closely related to that. The third show, as yet unannounced, is likely to be in Chicago, possibly back at the Sears Center, over Labor Day weekend with the idea of being the anniversary of the first All In, and would also be a PPV show.

> Chicago was a huge success as a live event, but circumstances are very different. This is not the Young Bucks and Cody promoting the show on their own, but the debut of a new promotion. They won’t have access to ROH and New Japan talent most likely, although that could also change. A lot of the talent from the first show has since signed with other promotions. The first show was a unique novelty and nobody knows how a follow-up show would do, but the first show was also far more successful than anyone expected, selling 10,541 tickets in 30 minutes and having a secondary market roughly as strong as SummerSlam in Brooklyn–the strongest for any pro wrestling event in the U.S. of 2018 including WrestleMania (where because of the stadium, there were so many more tickets available that the scarcity didn’t create the higher prices that the other two shows did).

> Pac vs. Page, stemming from their confrontation at the rally, will be one of the key matches on the first show. They pushed the idea that they would be two of the top contenders for their world championship. There is a major main event scheduled that is likely to be announced around the time tickets go on sale, which looks to be in February. The other angle at the rally saw Janela hit MJF with his crutch, which would theoretically lead to a match. Janela is aiming to be ready after major knee surgery on 5/25, but won’t know for sure for at least another month if he can make it back by that date.

> Also announced was an affiliation with the Shanghai, China-based Oriental Wrestling Entertainment group, notably the Strong Hearts group headed by Cima, T-Hawk, Lindaman and Takehiro Yamamura who started with Dragon Gate and Chinese trainees of Cima and Skayde of Gao Jingjia, who has been compared to Tiger Mask and Rey Mysterio Jr., for his potential in changing the business, Duan Yingnan (who has worked for DDT) and Seiki Yoshioka (who started with Wrestle-1). Dezmond Xavier, Zachary Wentz and Trey Miguel are also part of the group, but they are currently working for Impact.

> Women wrestlers from Stardom and other promotions have been contacted. One of the key ones was Mayu Iwatani, who is unlikely to come. ROH, which also has an affiliation with Stardom, paid for Iwatani’s three-year U.S. visa so unless ROH and AWE make a deal, which will be difficult because they are competitors, Stardom feels it would be wrong to have her work against ROH, which also has booked Iwatani for its Madison Square Garden show. Several Japanese women have been talked about for at least certain dates, including Hall of Famer Aja Kong, but that deal is not believed to be completed. But the Japanese women are being heavily scouted.

> Cody Runnels stated that their goal is to be friends with other promotions. It’s been made clear that nobody is looking at becoming the enemy of WWE, particularly since Paul Levesque was heavily praised by the key people in regard to attempted negotiations. Still, there’s also a reality of competition and unless things change from WWE, they will be the enemy whether they want to be or not.

> On 1/8, WWE held Smackdown in Jacksonville, shortly after the end of the rally. At first, fans with AEW T-shirts on were turned away at the door. WWE immediately told us that this wasn’t the case, but several fans contacted us saying it happened to them including one with video proof, including one who said he’d buy a WWE t-shirt to put on over his AEW shirt. Fans with Young Bucks or Bullet Club shirts were not turned away. But as soon as those stories hit social media, smartly, WWE rescinded and let everyone in and there were no disturbances or AEW chants at the WWE show. While banning T-shirts from other promotions happened at TV tapings in the 80s, and perhaps early 90s, that was before social media, and while banning certain signs happened more recently, social media and the immediate reaction of making you seem like the “bad guy” to fans, which nobody wants to be, has largely ended that, as it did here very quickly.

> They brought 1,000 towels to hand out at the rally, which was the number they expected of fans to attend, and ran out so the total crowd was said to have exceeded that.

> Conrad Thompson and Alex Marvez hosted the event. Marvez, currently working as an NFL Insider for Sporting News and hosts a Sirius XM radio show covering the NFL, is a former President of the Pro Football Writers of America and one of the leading NFL reporters in the country. He has been a wrestling fan since childhood, including doing a newsletter while he was a teenager. Marvez, who is close friends with Khan from the football world, and they attended New Japan events together in the U.S., is expected to be part of the television broadcast team. Television broadcast team brings up the obvious name in Jim Ross, who will be a free agent at the end of March when his WWE contract expires. Ross was listed as coming here in early stories that were premature, but it is a possibility.

> HBO Vice was filming a segment at the rally, but HBO is not in negotiations and it’s just a news story on those involved and the formation of the new promotion.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:34:47 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> The other underlying story from AEW and the past week revolves around New Japan Pro Wrestling.

> Every AEW wrestler, Jericho, The Young Bucks, Cody and Page lost at WrestleKingdom. For obvious reasons, AEW wants to work together with New Japan. For obvious reasons, being the Madison Square Garden show, New Japan is happy with its partnership with ROH. AEW offers a far better group of foreigners. ROH offers a longstanding relationship that has greatly helped NJPW get into the U.S. market. All the key talent in AEW worked with ROH and was generally happy in ROH, but the stakes were raised by All In creating the opening.

> From the ROH standpoint, they greatly helped The Bucks & Cody, allowing them to do the show which technically was in violation of their contract, helped them with building negotiations, production, and Cody went so far as to call Gary Juster of ROH one of the unsung heroes of All In. Four months later, they are competition. There are those in ROH who weren’t happy, feeling they had made all four significant offers and they really never considered them.

> The problem was the success of All In changed the value structure. Paul Levesque worked hard at getting all four into WWE. Page was offered main roster money to work NXT, where he’d have been pushed as one of its top stars. The Bucks & Cody were offered strong deals. The Bucks deal was for money roughly the same as WWE champion A.J. Styles, which would have also included BTE being made a regular weekly show on the WWE Network, as well as something I’ve never heard WWE concede on, which was a six-month window where they could have left their three-year contract if they wanted and weren’t happy with their push.

> Of course, WWE was fully aware of the Khan deal as this was going down, which was one of the reasons they went so hard in locking up talent of late. The great offer with the six-month window was with knowledge that Khan was not doing the promotion without The Bucks & Cody and signing them would keep them from being opposition. Without them, Khan wouldn’t have the star power and stars of All In, meaning he’d likely not have the openings to everything from television to top talent that was necessary.

> Those who work in WWE with knowledge of the deal were certain they wouldn’t turn it down, and outright told me that they would be debuting at the Rumble, and had a Rumble-to-Mania significant storyline. When they made the decision to go to AEW, they remarked that it was mind-boggling that they would ever get an offer at that level, and even more that they were turning it down. But they did roughly 12 hours of talks with Levesque, who they heavily praised in how he handled everything, in particular seeing the comedy aspect in the skit they did where they superkicked Kazarian dressed up as him over-and-over in what was the public turning down of the offer on BTE.

> A lot of WWE and NXT talent have been aware of this and have adopted a wait-and-see aspect. Several, who figured to be frustrated with their spots have been given more television time on Raw and Smackdown instead of being ignored. There are those in NXT and the main roster, who are talented but aren’t sure of their plight on the main roster who figure, especially tag teams because with the Bucks, the division will be more high-profile, who are interested. Those who went through PWG and ROH and are friends with the people in charge are obviously the ones the most open-minded. Others, who haven’t, are waiting for the TV deal announcement. The ones who are the luckiest are probably the ones whose contracts run out toward the end of this year, either just before TV starts or shortly into it since AEW will need fresh faces. And at the end of the year, it will be more obvious what level AEW will be at and is the mass number of consumers, whether they be casual or lapsed fans, or teenagers who for whatever reason WWE isn’t cool to, are giving it a chance or not, which is the unknown and biggest question.

> While Tuesday Night Dynamite was trademarked and that obviously meant Tuesday was the plan at that time, it is up to the station they sign with and right now Tuesday looks highly unlikely, but two hours of live prime time is still the plan with either deal.

> As far as health insurance goes, the executives will have the same health care that executives for the Jaguars football team has. The executives as far as the wrestling people go would be the Young Bucks, Cody, Brandi, Dana Massie, producers Daniel Covell (Christopher Daniels), Monty Kip Sopp (Billy Gunn) and Benjamin “B.J.” Whitmer, as well as anyone else hired as an executive to come. Right now there is nothing when it comes to the wrestling talent, and a lot depends on revenue generation in the future as to what kind of benefits make economic sense or don’t.

> The other big story relates to Kenny Omega, who may be finished with New Japan and appears not to be signing a new deal when his contract is up on 1/31. Omega hinted at such in a Tokyo Sports interview shortly after losing the IWGP title to Hiroshi Tanahashi.

> New Japan was still expecting Omega would stay as primarily under contract to them until the story broke. With New Japan having such ambitious plans for the next year, including two straight nights at the Tokyo Dome in 2020 on 1/4 and 1/5, three straight nights at Budokan for G-1 on 8/10 to 8/12 (the same weekend as SummerSlam and a big Takeover show), the opening night of G-1 on 7/6 at the American Airlines Center in Dallas, as well as MSG on 4/6 and an 8/31 show at the Copper Box Arena in London, Omega is hugely important to the company, as was Jericho.

> While nothing is signed and can’t be until 2/1, when his New Japan contract expires, he is expected to be with AEW as the word was that he had already turned down the WWE offer.

> Omega’s situation is such that many feel it’s inevitable AEW and New Japan make a deal, when the day earlier New Japan’s view was to continue with ROH and take a wait-and-see attitude toward AEW. All AEW and NJPW talks went well, but NJPW was not interested in any business dealings at this point in time. But the value of Omega and Jericho to them is such that it’s actually expected that changes. What this means for ROH and NJPW is unknown. If Omega makes the deal, as expected, it is fully believed that Kota Ibushi will at least be working major dates for AEW, although he is expected to continue to work for New Japan as well.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:35:44 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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> The free agent market in recent weeks looks something like this, with every company having its successes and failures in garnering new talent.

> Young Bucks, Cody, Page, Jericho and Omega as the key people with AEW and not WWE or New Japan, although New Japan is still up in the air. Still, Omega is unlikely to be working as much of a New Japan schedule under any circumstances as the belief is AEW will be his priority. AEW has talked of the idea of not running weekends of major New Japan shows, with the idea TV would be weeknight and thus the talent would be available for the major NJPW big shows. Because of that, it’s very important for New Japan to elevate Jay White, Will Ospreay, Zack Sabre Jr., Juice Robinson and Jeff Cobb in particular in 2019, both for Japan and the overseas expansion. Another unanswered question revolves around Michael Elgin, who they’ve yet to use in the U.S.

> Kushida is going from New Japan to WWE, expected to be for NXT, which combined with other departures is a strong loss for the NJPW junior division, particularly since Hiromu Takahashi’s injury was so serious. It was known Kushida was in talks with WWE, but while he’ll do well in NXT, that’s a big step down from NJPW, and 205 Live is purgatory, and the plight of Hideo Itami and Akira Tozawa makes a guy of his size, regardless of talent, questionable in the world Vince McMahon controls. But he’s also at the age of either do it now or don’t do it, and he was heavily recruited.

> Juice Robinson, who WWE had interest in (but not negotiations between the sides took place) and AEW had more interest in, signed a three-year contract with NJPW. Robinson never had an NJPW contract previously, even when he was U.S. champion. The landscape of competition led to him getting a significant bump in pay. Rocky Romero (three years) and Chase Owens also signed with NJPW. For both Japanese and international talent, NJPW is now signing almost everyone to multi-year deals so Gedo can book his two years in advance main storylines without fear of the talent leaving in the middle.

> Viper, who is under contract with WOS, which will expire soon, is expected to sign with WWE, for NXT, rather than AEW, which both made offers.

> Kay Lee Ray, also under contract with WOS, is also expected to sign with WWE.

> Bea Priestly, also with WOS, and currently with Stardom, has gotten a WWE offer. At last word, her future was undecided but she and Will Ospreay have talked about getting a place and moving full-time to Japan.

> Bandido had offers from WWE, AEW and ROH and went with ROH because of a strong guarantee and the ability to continue working internationally, as well as ROH being expected to open the door for him to New Japan.

> PCO had offers from a number of groups and also went with ROH.
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> Kushida will work the current Fantastica Mania tour and his last date will be 1/29 at Korakuen Hall. He asked for a singles match with Tanahashi, which would be his first and only singles match of his career against him.

> Takashi Iizuka, 52, will retire with his final show being on 2/21 at Korakuen Hall, after a more than 32-year career.

> Tiger Hattori, 73, who refereed a couple of matches at the Dome, told Cody and Juice Robinson that their match would be the last Tokyo Dome match he would ever officiate in.

> Jay White has gotten a monster push as a top foreign heel, including beating Okada at the Tokyo Dome. Will Ospreay got the Never title and beat Ibushi in a match where Ibushi went out on a stretcher.

> The story behind that is the stretcher job was a work, for two reasons. The first was to get Ospreay over as a stronger performer, to start moving him into the heavyweight title picture. The second is that it puts heat on a program with Ibushi which should lead to more matches between the two this year, which should be among the year’s best.

> However, the Ibushi concussion story is true. The elbow to the back of the head by Ospreay, which Ibushi sold as if he was knocked out, was pure sell and a planned spot. It was designed to make you think Ibushi was knocked out and they went right to the finish. In actuality, Ibushi did suffer a minor concussion on a kick in the corner by Ospreay earlier in the match. He’s off the next series of big shows to sell the stretcher job and also because Ospreay isn’t on the next tour due to commitments to the World of Sport U.K. tour.

> Ibushi may also have an eye injury. It was feared he had a detached retina the day after the show but it sounds like that wasn’t the case. He’s healing up well and while not 100 percent, he hopes to be able to start back training within a few days.

> The Tokyo Dome paid attendance was 38,162. Unlike in past years, there was very few free tickets out, as the building total was about 40,000, which, with the elaborate stage, was all that could fit in. We didn’t get a gate, but with ticket prices being more expensive than ever before, it was likely the largest gate in Japanese wrestling history, and certainly the largest since the Antonio Inoki retirement show in 1998.

> Of that number, about 6,000 were non-Japanese. There were sections with nothing but foreigners. At the 1/3 Stardom show, in a building that probably had an overflow of 413 people (standing room everywhere, every aisle full), we met fans from Hong Kong, China, The Philippines, Ireland, the U.K., Australia, Canada, Japan, Brazil and the U.S. It was by far the largest contingent of non-Japanese ever at a pro wrestling event in Japan.

> New Japan World increased 20 percent in subscriptions to 120,000 over the WrestleKingdom build period, with the gain more outside of Japan than inside, similar to last year. Paid streaming services have never caught on in Japan like the U.S. and even though NJPW World’s numbers are less than 10 percent of WWE Networks, it is one of the biggest streaming services in Japan. Still, they are hovering close to a 50/50 split, with Japanese subscribers not having that much of an edge over non-Japanese subscribers.

> The gain wasn’t as much as last year when the Jericho vs. Omega match had so much interest outside of Japan that it brought subscriptions from 60,000 to 100,000. But within Japan, there was more interest in this show, and the storyline of Tanahashi going from injured and battered, winning the IWGP title and losing only once, then beating Okada and White to lead to the reclamation of the title over Omega. There was also far more publicity. Having been in Japan, you saw more signs of wrestling walking the streets than in years, and on New Year’s Eve as just before midnight, the Tanahashi vs. Omega contract signing in Shibuya had an estimated 150,000 people watching. New Japan said it was the most people to watch a sports contract signing in history. Now, it wasn’t as if those were people who were there specifically to see it, as there were about 1 million people on New Year’s Eve congregated in Shibuya, but the contract signing was also covered by a number of mainstream media outlets and local and national television stations because Shibuya on New Year’s Eve is the equivalent to Times Square in the U.S.

> While Tanahashi’s win was clearly the big story of the night, and his win was the biggest pop, the other major pops were for Okada returning to his short trunks and blond hair, and the place went nuts when they announced the 1/5 Tokyo Dome show.

> It’s actually a funny story to me, because we wrote over-and-over how ridiculous it was that Dash on 1/5 was at Korakuen Hall. With only 2,000 seats and 1,730 tickets to sell, there were virtually no foreigners in the building even though there were 6,000 at the Dome that all would have wanted to attend, along with several thousand Japanese. The promotion itself based on tickets orders, estimated they could have sold 20,000 tickets and it was noted that Korakuen Hall was booked on the date more than a year in advance.

> I was pretty much told ahead of time that in 2020 they would be in a bigger building, but they kept the second Dome quiet from everyone. When announcing the schedule for the first eight months of the year, they then talked about WrestleKingdom 14 on January 4, 2020,and it was, “well, we already know that.” Then they started talking about New Year’s Dash at Korakuen Hall, and I thought, I can’t believe they are doing this. Then the tape in the building acted like there was a malfunction, and they announced 1/5 and showed the photo of the Tokyo Dome. I’d say the biggest surprise was White actually pining Okada.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:41:30 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203661
> Two key matches planned for WrestleMania this year are part of the news this week. The first has to do with the Royal Rumble, and changes in plans. The Rumble card was revamped after Christmas, with the key change being plans for Ronda Rousey vs. Charlotte Flair getting changed to Rousey vs. Sasha Banks, a match that came out of nowhere on Raw. The back story is that as of right now, as noted a few weeks ago, the arguments to get Flair into the WrestleMania Rousey match were accepted by Vince McMahon. The current plan is a three-way for the title with Rousey vs. Flair vs. Becky Lynch. The feeling was also to not compromise that match, that Rousey shouldn’t face Flair at the Rumble.

> We were also told that while that is the plan right now, it is not locked in stone and there are still two PPVs between Rumble and WrestleMania (Elimination Chamber on 2/17 in Houston and Fast Lane on 3/10 in Cleveland) that Rousey vs. Flair could take place at if McMahon changes his mind. We pretty much ran down the key arguments made for adding Flair and making it a three-way, especially if it’s promoted as the first-ever women’s main event in Mania history. It will give both Flair and Lynch the distinction for the rest of their career as being part of the first, which should elevate both and eventually make them legends of the industry. It also should be a better match with Flair involved.

> The other planned match which turned into a behind-the-scenes story this week is one that hasn’t been even hinted, John Cena vs. Lars Sullivan. Sullivan, real name Dylan Miley, 30, was scheduled to debut on the main roster, probably in a dark match, on the 1/7 Raw in Orlando. He either didn’t show up at the arena, or did and left the building, believed to be due to an anxiety attack. The office, which is a lot more understanding of mental health issues to do its experience with Mauro Ranallo, talked with him and smoothed things out and everything was fine. He was then supposed to do a dark match at the 1/8 Smackdown tapings in Jacksonville. Not only did he not show up in Jacksonville, but he apparently flew back home to Colorado. Nothing else is known, whether they will change plans or how it will be handled.

> Sullivan was scheduled for a monster push. The Cena match was confirmed and logic would say if he was facing Cena in his first big match, with Cena working limited dates and Sullivan being groomed to be one of the top guys in the company, that Sullivan would have won that match. But we were also told that would be premature and that while the match was on the books, there has been no discussion this far in advance regarding the finish. While this was not told to us directly, all hints and signs pointed to the angle getting started at the Royal Rumble. So the Rumble show will likely tell the story as to whether they will go with this program or not. They may feel it’s just something they can work through or they may feel that it’s a risk giving that much of a push to him.

> Miley grew up as a huge pro wrestling fan and wasn’t just some monstrous looking guy that somebody saw and thought that with his look he could be a pro wrestling project. Miley had been with the company for five years, pretty much starting from scratch after a door was opened to come in after he met Bobby Lashley, who gave him early training. He moved to Orlando in October 2014 to start at the Performance Center, and debuted in March 2015 at WrestleMania Axxess in San Jose, where he drew a lot of attention among those who saw him. Over the next two years he worked NXT house shows before starting on television in April 2017 and getting a big push right off the bat.

> The long gap was due to missing time due to both major knee reconstructive surgery and also surgery to remove a tumor on his pituitary gland which had caused the acromegaly that led to his unique thickness, giant hands and facial structure. It was the same disease that Andre the Giant, Great Khali, Big Show, Choi Hong-man, Giant Silva, Maurice “French Angel” Tillet (a major drawing card in the early 40s who the character Shrek was modeled after) and Antonio “Bigfoot Silva” among others had. He was kept clean on NXT television and Takeover shows except for one loss to Aleister Black in an NXT title match at the Chicago Takeover show in June. They gave a storyline that he had broken his jaw (worked angle) as a way to protect him in some way.

> Another note related to the Rumble is that Braun Strowman has not been cleared after elbow surgery. He is listed for the non-Rumble main event against Brock Lesnar for the Universal title. That’s why they couldn’t do any physicality on Raw on 1/7 and why the segment with Strowman and Lesnar went the way it did.

> The Rumble is scheduled for Chase Field in Phoenix. If it sells out legitimately, it would be 43,000 fans total. Currently the show isn’t sold out and there are plenty of tickets available. It’s a very soft secondary market as there are just under 4,000 tickets on the secondary market, which isn’t a big number for a stadium show, but the demand isn’t there, since the price for entry at this point is only $19.95.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:45:51 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203661
> The other non-Rumble matches are Daniel Bryan vs. A.J. Styles for the WWE title, Rousey vs. Banks for the Raw women’s title, Asuka vs. Lynch for the Smackdown women’s title, Sheamus & Cesaro vs. The Miz & Shane McMahon for the Smackdown tag titles and Buddy Murphy vs. Hideo Itami vs. Akira Tozawa vs. Kalisto for the cruiserweight title. Itami, Tozawa and Kalisto all won qualifying matches on the past two weeks of 205 Live shows.

> When Rousey vs. Flair was pulled, the decision was made to go to Banks, which is why this seemingly came out of nowhere. Rousey had also wanted to work with Banks. Banks was given a clean submission win over Nia Jax on Raw for credibility to move her back into the title picture after she’d just been languishing basically for months with the start-and-go-nowhere-and-stop feud and make-up with Bayley that seemed to have been dropped again.

> Regarding Asuka vs Lynch, there is still talk of Lynch being in the Rumble after that match happens as a surprise entrant, and winning the thing, which would lead to her challenging Rousey. That’s not necessarily happening but it was one of the ways potentially to get to her in the match, and then Flair would get in the match another way. Flair could also win the Rumble herself, and then Elimination Chamber would determine who would challenge for the Smackdown title. Lynch could also win the Smackdown title and Flair win the Rumble, although that would lead to only one women’s title match on the show. There was also talk of crowning the first women’s tag team champions on Mania, but that also was just something talked about and not anything said to be definite.

> Names listed at this point for the men’s Royal Rumble are Cena, Baron Corbin, Elias, Seth Rollins, Bobby Lashley, Jinder Mahal, Apollo Crews, Andrade Cien Almas, Samoa Joe, Dean Ambrose, Jeff Hardy, Drew McIntyre, Finn Balor, R-Truth, Rey Mysterio, Mustafa Ali, Xavier Woods, Big E and Kofi Kingston. That leaves 11 spots, actually 12 considering a planned change. Rollins is the favorite to win, with McIntyre as another favorite. Given Lesnar vs. Rollins is on top for Mania still at ths point, that would mean Rollins either wins the Rumble or the Elimination Chamber match.

> Listed for the women’s Rumble is Natalya, Bayley, Ember Moon, Ruby Riott, Liv Morgan, Sarah Logan, Mandy Rose, Zelina Vega, Naomi and Alicia Fox. Banks was listed for the Rumble before the card was changed so she may or may not be in it. Even if she stays and Lynch is added, that leaves 17 spots. One would expect every woman on the main roster to be in it, which adds Flair, Alexa Bliss (if she’s cleared from concussion issues), Billie Kay, Lacey Evans, Peyton Royce, Sonya Deville, Nikki Cross, Dana Brooke, Mickie James, Nia Jax and Tamina, which cuts it down to six, and you could bring in the Bella Twins and Maria Kanellis, which add women from the past and perhaps a few from NXT. Right now, for obvious reasons, Flair and Lynch are the favorites to win.

> Diamante Azul is out for a few weeks with a pulled groin

> Court Bauer claimed that Gabe Sapolsky never reached out to him, MSL, Konnan or anyone from MLW regarding usage of Evolve talent. He said that they weren’t able to use any Evolve contracted talent once they got a television deal because they weren’t allowed on anything for WWE television. He said Evolve talent told them that and because of that they stopped using the talent once the live shows were all part of taping television

> Terry “Sabu” Brunk is writing an autobiography with Kenny Casanova

> The first NXT U.K. Takeover live special on the WWE Network will be on 1/12 in Blackpool, UK at the Empress Ballroom. Even though the U.K. scene has declined in attendance across the board of late, except for Pac’s dream matches in different companies that are doing sellout business, as the first Takeover, this was an instant sellout. The show will air at 2 p.m. Eastern time so it is live prime time in the U.K. The four announced matches are Pete Dunne vs. Joe Coffey for the U.K. title, the finals of the tournament to crown the first tag team champions with Trent Seven & Tyler Bate vs. The Grizzles Young Veterans of James Drake & Zack Gibson, Rhea Ripley vs. Toni Storm for the women’s title, Dave Mastiff vs. Eddie Dennis in a no DQ grudge match and Jordan Devlin vs Travis Banks. After the show ends on the WWE Network they will debut a documentary on announcer Nigel McGuinness

> WWE announce a press conference the day before in London which is expected to be the announcement of the company’s second Performance Center in the U.K. As noted before, the plan is to have them all over the world, to have NXT promotions all over the world develop talent and to basically take the spots in the landscape of the underground indies all in a number of key markets

> Toni Storm was in the news in mainstream outlets in places like the U.S., U.K. and her home country of Australia because nude photos of her were somehow obtained by hackers and were released. She immediately deleted all her social media accounts

> Rowan was at the Performance Center training for a return. He is recovering from surgery from a torn biceps suffered in August. Harper, since he wasn’t being used much with Rowan gone, opted to also have surgery. Harper hasn’t been cleared yet and his recovery was harder than expected, but he seems to be at least close to ready to return

> Forbes compiled a list of the ten most popular WWE video clips of 2018. They were: 1. Reigns announces he has leukemia; 2. Mysterio’s surprise Royal Rumble return; 3. Rousey angle where she ended up suspended; 4. The Shield reuniting to stop Strowman from cashing in Money in the Bank; 5. Reigns/Lesnar pre-Mania angle; 6. Return of Ambrose; 7. Lesnar attacked and turns on Heyman; 8. Strowman demolishes the production truck; 9. Rousey violates suspended and attacks Bliss; 10. Undertaker & Kane lay out Michaels & HHH in angle and Austin stuns Vince & Shane McMahon on the 25th anniversary show (tied)

> The company announced Sarah Cummins as the new Senior Vice President of Consumer Products. Her job covers licensing, e-commerce, live event merchandise, home entertainment and publishing. She will report directly to WWE Chief Marketing & Communications Officer Brian Flinn. She was the Head of Business Development & Strategic Partnerships at New York Road runners, Inc.,where she headed sponsorships, licensing and media and had also spent more than 15 years before that with the U.S. Tennis Association where he was Managing Director and oversaw retail development and operations. She was listed in 2017 as a major game changer by Sports Business Journal, so she would be considered a major player in the licensing industry. She also worked for Vineyard Vines at Vice President of Licensing and Custom Sales where she managed licensing deals that involved 250 colleges, NFL, MLB and NHL as well as the Kentucky Derby

> Jerry McDevitt noted a few things about Konstantine Kyros’ recent claim that Ronald Heard (Ron Bass) and the diagnosis of CTE. McDevitt said that he has not seen anything to establish that Heard was diagnosed with CTE or wasn’t. He has no record of a diagnosis by a forensic pathologist and nothing has been made public. Kyros claims he was diagnosed with it but has not released and McDevitt claims has refused to release any reports of anybody establishing it. He said he doesn’t think it’s reasonable to accept anything Kyros says as true after the courts reaction to his lawsuit and that he had claimed Matt Osborne and Nelson Frazier (Mabel) had CTE when there was no documentation of that either
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:50:42 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203661
> There was talk of giving Tino Sabbatelli a look as a TV announcer. Sabbatelli has been having issues since his recent surgery and the description to us is the situation is similar to that of Jason Jordan. But he hasn’t been cleared to return and may not be any time soon. Regarding Jordan, he’s actually pretty much fine but has issues where in one hand whether it’s his gripping power or his inability to make a fist and fully control the hand coming off his neck surgery last year that has kept him from being cleared

> Adam Cole will be working Evolve shows on 2/15 in Atlanta and 2/16 in Charlotte. WWE has also allowed its talent appearing on Evolve shows to do meet and greets, which formerly they weren’t allowed to do. Johnny Gargano, Fabian Aichner and The Street Profits will be doing one on 1/18 in Brooklyn (no meet and greets on 1/19 in Queens) while Cole and the Street Profits will be doing them in Atlanta and Charlotte

> WWE stock bounced back up the past two weeks to $78.92 per share at the close on 1/9, giving the company at $6.158 billion market value

> With little in the way of new programming other than the regular Wednesday shows, the ten most-watched shows on the WWE Network this past week were: 1. NXT UK (Gallus vs. Mustache Mountain episode) from Jan. 2; 2. NXT from Jan. 2; 3. Edge & Christian Show; 4. NXT U.K. from Jan. 2 (Pete Dunne vs. Joe Coffey contract signing; 5. NXT from 12/26; 6. TLC PPV show; 7. 205 Live from Jan. 2; 8. New Day’s Year in Review show; 9. Botch Club with Gallows & Anderson; 10. NXT U.K. from 12/27

NJPW WRESTLE KINGDOM 13 IN TOKYO DOME STAR RATINGS - WILL DAVE GIVE A FIVE STAR OR MORE TOKYO DOME MATCH TO KENNY OMEGA THIS YEAR?
> Yuji Nagata & Jeff Cobb & David Finlay beat Hangman Page & Yujiro Takahashi & Marty Scurll in 4:39. *3/4
> Nagata & Cobb & Finlay beat Hirooki Goto & Baretta & Chuckie T in 7:30. ***
> Minoru Suzuki & Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr. beat Nagata & Cobb & Finlay in 2:44. *1/2
> Toru Yano & Togi Makabe & Ryusuke Taguchi beat Suzuki & Smith & Archer in 8:09. ***
> Will Ospreay beat Kota Ibushi in 18:13 to win the Never Open weight title. ****3/4
> Bushi & Shingo Takagi won the IWGP jr. tag titles in a three-way over champions Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Desperado and Sho & Yoh in 6:50. ***1/4
> Zack Sabre Jr. beat Tomohiro Ishii in 11:35 to win the British heavyweight title. ****1/4
> Evil & Sanada won the IWGP tag titles over champions Tama Tonga & Tonga Loa and The Young Bucks in 10:15 ****
> Juice Robinson pinned Cody to win the U.S. title in 9:02. *** CODY THE THREE STAR GENERAL DOES IT YET AGAIN
> Taiji Ishimori beat Kushida to win the IWGP jr. title in 11:17. ***1/2
> Jay White pinned Kazuchika Okada in 14:18. ****1/2
> Tetsuya Naito beat Chris Jericho in a no DQ match to win the IC title in 22:35. ****3/4
> Hiroshi Tanahashi pinned Kenny Omega to win the IWGP title in 39:13. Hopefully I can run this down next week. Live I went *****½, and most of the feedback was in that range (mostly *****1/4 to ******) but I need to be able to watch it without interruption to give a fair rating.

WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT DAVE DOES A SIX STAR MATCH FOR KENNY OMEGA ONCE AGAIN
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Rosita - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:58:49 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6203671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Lars Sullivan has severe anxiety
Feel really bad for the guy, but at the same time, this news has just killed any hype I had for the guy.
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Dragon Dragon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:03:19 EST ID:MqxwrJpJ No.6203672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203671
fuck, why couldn't it have been Kenny Omega or one of the Young Bucks
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Dragon Dragon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:11:50 EST ID:MqxwrJpJ No.6203674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Rush was on an unannounced suspension for a few weeks but has returned. Details were kept under wraps
Does CMLL have a wellness policy? I could see him being popped for roids
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Lex Luger - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:19:12 EST ID:DQyWf1wt No.6203677 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203670
>3/4
>1/2
>etc
stop that

>Juice Robinson pinned Cody to win the U.S. title in 9:02. *** CODY THE THREE STAR GENERAL DOES IT YET AGAIN
top kek

>Taiji Ishimori beat Kushida to win the IWGP jr. title in 11:17. ***1/2
fuck you, that match was amazing

>Hopefully I can run this down next week. Live I went *****½, and most of the feedback was in that range (mostly *****1/4 to ******) but I need to be able to watch it without interruption to give a fair rating.
what?
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:22:07 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203678 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203672
I mean those guys can actually wrestle
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Tiffany Mellon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:23:23 EST ID:yRv+ZHKH No.6203679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203670
>most of the feedback was in that range (mostly *****1/4 to ******)

not even seven stars damn that match sucked
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Lex Luger - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:25:57 EST ID:DQyWf1wt No.6203680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203674
maybe was because he was taking bookings on usa without saying to CMLL
>CMLL have a wellness policy?
lol
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:29:54 EST ID:f40wnROg No.6203682 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203665

>Tuesday Night Dynamite
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Kid Kash - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:41:09 EST ID:YfWwQtT6 No.6203683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203671
Are you one of these "mental illnesses aren't real, just toughen up" people?
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Sherri Martel - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:41:27 EST ID:b/6yrda6 No.6203684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203678
Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.
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Rosita - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:46:57 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6203685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203683
No not at all, the opposite. But I mean now I look at Lars and in my head I just can't believe his character.
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Tyler Reks - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:48:42 EST ID:ZwqwXMMh No.6203686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203670
>Hopefully I can run this down next week. Live I went *****½, and most of the feedback was in that range (mostly *****1/4 to ******) but I need to be able to watch it without interruption to give a fair rating.

Considering this edition was delayed hasn't he had longer to think about this than most matches he has reviewed. Why not stick to this rating? It's actually what I expected him to give it so on it's own this rating doesn't make any waves, so it just seems he's doing this to get a bit of controversy again by changing a rating so people start arguing over it.
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Rosita - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:52:42 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6203687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203686
He hasn't watched the match on NJPW world yet cause it keeps buffering for him. I had the same problem and had to stop using it months ago
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Christ Sabin - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 08:53:49 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6203688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Juice Robinson pinned Cody to win the U.S. title in 9:02. ***
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:06:06 EST ID:f40wnROg No.6203689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203684

I know this isn't a caption the picture thread, but....

>JBL: Shawn Maggles squandered his family's entire savings. Now, he works for me, JBL! He is MY employee! And as my employee, Shawn Maggles must do EXACTLY what I say! And if he does not do exactly as I say, his entire family will be homeless...or I will terminate his contract with WWE. the guy writing this promo for me on some site called /wooo/ forgets exactly what I am holding over Shawn Maggles' head!

>HBK: .........

>JBL: And now, I am going to take a dump right in the middle of the ring! My employee, Shawn Maggles, must not take his eyes off of me. He will also clean it up. If he does not perform his tasks to a satisfactory level, all that bad stuff I said above will befall Shawn Maggles and his family. YEE-HAW! HERE I GO!

>HBK: .................



nb for not dirt sheet related.
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Diamond Dallas Page - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:11:03 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6203690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203686
Because Dave won't just cap it at ***** and be done with it. He has to go more, especially because it is a Kenny Omega match.

Either way, no surprise, the first ***** or more match of 2019 goes to Omega...again.
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Rosita - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:11:31 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6203691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203689
:cringe:
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:13:01 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203670
>Live I went *****½, and most of the feedback was in that range (mostly *****1/4 to ******) but I need to be able to watch it without interruption to give a fair rating.

Now even fans are participating in this nonsense. 5 stars is 100%.
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Francine - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:15:08 EST ID:4CWnwFjn No.6203693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203683
I don't think that's what he's saying, just that it kind of breaks his otherwise believable persona. It's not his fault or anyone's fault, it's just a curse of the information age.
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Matt Jackson - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:19:07 EST ID:ftnXTqS0 No.6203694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203690
>Because Dave won't just cap it at ***** and be done with it
Do people know that star ratings don't really have a "cap" to it & have gone beyond 5 years before Omega started wrestling, or is it just ignored so people can whine about them?
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Isis The Amazon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:20:14 EST ID:/a8425lV No.6203695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203668
> The other planned match which turned into a behind-the-scenes story this week is one that hasn’t been even hinted, John Cena vs. Lars Sullivan. Sullivan, real name Dylan Miley, 30, was scheduled to debut on the main roster, probably in a dark match, on the 1/7 Raw in Orlando. He either didn’t show up at the arena, or did and left the building, believed to be due to an anxiety attack. The office, which is a lot more understanding of mental health issues to do its experience with Mauro Ranallo, talked with him and smoothed things out and everything was fine. He was then supposed to do a dark match at the 1/8 Smackdown tapings in Jacksonville. Not only did he not show up in Jacksonville, but he apparently flew back home to Colorado. Nothing else is known, whether they will change plans or how it will be handled.
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Johnny Kidd - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:20:45 EST ID:aJ9o3yXr No.6203696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My man Tino going to be an announcer. Always thought he could have been a big star if WWE put him on the main roster a few years ago, but glad he'll be doing something.

>Not only did he not show up in Jacksonville, but he apparently flew back home to Colorado.
Id be shocked if they don't repackage Lars as Brodus Clay 2.0 after this.
Seriously, his career is over if he's being hyped as some mastaeon and Vince heard he has anxiety. He'll never have any faith in him
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Christ Sabin - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:24:09 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6203697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203695
How on earth did he get this far just to get cold feet now?
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:29:40 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203684

I kinda liked the angle but it eally burried the wwe's pay portraying one of it's employed top stars having financial issues likr the blue collar joes in the audience. It removed that curtain that made you think the wrestlers are these rich multimillionaires with extravagant lives wwe can afford to maintain. Thats my issue with doing these financial trouble storylines it makes the guy in question and promotion look like geeks. It's like that episode of Hannah Montana where she loses these 250,000 earing they were going to borrow not buy for a video. And I get that it's supposed to be some moral lesson but still it makes it look like she's some small local singer that plays at the local bar where she waits tables to pay rent. She's fucking Hannah Montana 250,000 shouldn't be an issue to that family that should be a drop in the bucket to them. They just bury her for the sake of a lesson and so the kids watching the rerun on the free abc channel could "relate to her".
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:29:43 EST ID:f40wnROg No.6203699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203695

This is going to become his gimmick (if he isn't released first), isn't it?
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:29:49 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6203700 Report Quick Reply
>>6203699
His gimmick is not the one kissing a corporation's ass for shits'n'giggles.
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:30:57 EST ID:f40wnROg No.6203701 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203700

Not yet at least, NJ. Not yet.
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Rosita - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:31:10 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6203702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203700
Based Netjester
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Private Eye - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:32:06 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6203703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203695
This unfortunately sounds like something vince will pounce on as a weakness and either can him or give him some stupid anxiety related gimmick similar to the matt morgan stuttering gimmick.
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Jackson James - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:47:44 EST ID:hl4QCM/x No.6203704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203700
Based NJ calling a new cold steev gimmick
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Archibald Peck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:54:08 EST ID:UnJwFB9c No.6203706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203703
Why wouldn't he? Imagine hiring someone and then they don't show up for work on their first or second day. Mental health or not, he obviously isn't able to do the job and should be released ASAP.
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:03:56 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203706
You'd think wooo would have empathy for people with mental health. They'll forgive thw racism but do a 180 because of a mental health problem. Surprised people on here don't shit on Mauro daily about how his disorder makes hin effective.
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:05:02 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203708
Defective
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Alex Wright - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:07:20 EST ID:0VyT3V4g No.6203710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203708
>You'd think wooo would have empathy

i wouldn't
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Private Eye - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:12:40 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6203712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203710
Not sure if its assuming people on wooo are decent people or a dig implying the people on here have mental health issues.
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Archibald Peck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:14:46 EST ID:UnJwFB9c No.6203714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203708
It's important to be understanding of mental disorders, but at the end of the day if a disease is stopping someone from doing a job then they shouldn't continue to hold that job.

They gave him a dark match at Raw, which he either no-showed or walked out on.
Then they gave him another dark match the next night on Smackdown, and he responded by flying to Colorado to escape.

This isn't similar to Mauro who can do his job very well but had a few instances of mental breakdowns that caused him to miss some work; the job itself appears to be causing Lars' issues to flare up.
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Alex Riley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:14:48 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6203715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203685
Everyone is doing a gimmick.
There's a great example of this with AJ Styles. Behind his babyface character, he's a homophobic redneck bible mark.
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Alex Wright - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:51:28 EST ID:0VyT3V4g No.6203725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203712
neither. i just don't expect imageboard denizens to show empathy for the weak.
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CM Punk - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:11:08 EST ID:GeV6dub0 No.6203732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203670
> Juice Robinson pinned Cody to win the U.S. title in 9:02. *** CODY THE THREE STAR GENERAL DOES IT YET AGAIN
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El Hijo del Ice Cream - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:18:12 EST ID:7SkqhvG6 No.6203735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203670

>Will Ospreay beat Kota Ibushi in 18:13 to win the Never Open weight title. ****3/4
> Zack Sabre Jr. beat Tomohiro Ishii in 11:35 to win the British heavyweight title. ****1/4
> Jay White pinned Kazuchika Okada in 14:18. ****1/2

I know it's Meltzer, and he overrates literally everything, but I really don't understand these.

Ospreay/Ibushi ****
Sabre/Ishii ***1/4
White/Okada ***1/2

> Hiroshi Tanahashi pinned Kenny Omega to win the IWGP title in 39:13. Hopefully I can run this down next week. Live I went *****½, and most of the feedback was in that range (mostly *****1/4 to ******) but I need to be able to watch it without interruption to give a fair rating.

Lmao. Dave at it again with invalid ratings. It's almost like he's contractually obligated to go over 5 stars these days, which really doesn't make sense anyways because he is yet to give a reasonable explanation for the differences between 4.75, 5.00, 5.25, 5.50. etc.

I gave it ****1/2.
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:20:27 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203725
Neckbeards that watch half naked adults fake fighting trying to view anyone as weak lol.
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Chilly Willy - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:25:43 EST ID:XyMuF3MB No.6203739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203712
Yes
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Call-Me-Kevin - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:32:00 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6203741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203680
This

They'll toss you off tv if you're visibly shitfaced on air like when Mr Niebla fell off the turnbuckle during the entrance, but they give no fucks about that.
The MLW booking in particular is probably part of it
At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Rush dumps CMLL to work the USA with Park.
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Sinister Minister - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:53:43 EST ID:dVvsHXyz No.6203759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203695
And isn't it ironic, don't you think?
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Jinsei Shinzaki - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:00:01 EST ID:bebQqTbh No.6203763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203708
Dude when Mauros HBO doc came out the thread was filled with people shitting on his mental health. A lot of wrestling fans are basement dwellers and do not have any grasp on the real world so they shit on everyone.
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:01:39 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203759
Could be like the closeted gay guy who acts homophobic as a front
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Alex Wright - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:05:32 EST ID:0VyT3V4g No.6203768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203736
i agree. should've said "anyone showing weakness."

>>6203759
most peope are unsympathetic towards stuff until it affects them personally, but there is definitely some "serves you right" schadenfruede to be had here.
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Alex Riley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:06:58 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6203769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203735
>he doesn't agree with me, so he must overrate everything
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:10:31 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203694
The star rating system is widely held to be a five star system.
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Archibald Peck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:12:02 EST ID:UnJwFB9c No.6203775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203764
It's more difficult to take an "anxiety attack" seriously when everyone has anxiety to varying degrees. Depression is similar, but that's mostly because everyone equates depression with sadness.
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:12:05 EST ID:K20kw6yS No.6203776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203663
>Toni Storm (hacked and nude photos leaked)

Thanks Big Scoops Meltz! I actually didn't know this
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El Hijo del Ice Cream - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:18:08 EST ID:7SkqhvG6 No.6203778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203694

Most people probably don't know.

I know, but it doesn't change the fact that it's ridiculous. Meltzer has no structure. He's completely whimsical. He actually stated that there's no upper limit, but there is a lower limit of -459. It just goes to show that he just goes off his feelings and throws a random number out there.

I guarantee you he can't give a proper explanation or description for every single negative number, or why -459 is the lower limit. He can't even describe what the difference between 5.5 and 6.0 is other than that it's what he was feeling.

I'm 90% sure that Dave Meltzer has autism. I know this because I have aspergers. And as an aspie, it's incredibly annoying when someone who considers themselves to be an authority but can't even properly structure their own system. I literally have quarter-by-quarter breakdowns for my star rating system. If Dave is going to entertain the idea that he's some sort of authority, at least put some thought and explanation into what you do.
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Violent J - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:23:40 EST ID:c6+DcXe+ No.6203782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203775
Who the fuck would have sympathy for someone breaking their foot? Everyone stubs their toe, they should just get over it.
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:29:10 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203778
For me five stars has always meant one of the greatest matches of all time, and I think most other wrestling reviewers feel roughly the same. If meltzer was a better reviewer he would be able to express his feelings about those matches in words rather than devaluing his rating system to do so.
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Violent J - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:30:24 EST ID:c6+DcXe+ No.6203786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203778
>I'm 90% sure that Dave Meltzer has autism. I know this because I have aspergers. And as an aspie, it's incredibly annoying when someone who considers themselves to be an authority but can't even properly structure their own system. I literally have quarter-by-quarter breakdowns for my star rating system. If Dave is going to entertain the idea that he's some sort of authority, at least put some thought and explanation into what you do.
Dave is almost certainly on the spectrum, as is Vince. They've both managed to turn their obsessiveness into being profitable in professional wrestling for 40 years, so I have nothing but respect for them.

I think making a system like that too structured sounds pretty limiting. If it's based on a "scientific" method, then what's the difference between one 4.25 star match and another 4.25 star match? You'll inevitably end up liking one more than the other, so what changes? What about that two or three year stretch where Sheamus shat out completely meaningless, completely boring, completely formulaic 4-star matches on a weekly basis and completely devalued WWE match quality?
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Archibald Peck - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:32:59 EST ID:UnJwFB9c No.6203788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203782
When was the last time a wrestler got physically injured and took themselves off shows without consulting with any officials or doctors? Last I can recall that comes closr was Nia Jax backing out of her PPV match with Sasha, but even she told WWE officials beforehand. Lars was already in Colorado before anyone figured out he wasn't going to wrestle after he already no-showed the first match...
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:34:58 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203782
Can't tell if you're mocking the internet tough guys who made their dads sigh with dissapointment when they couldn't the ball in t ball or know how to use a drill in real life and now act like roughnecks online as a way of overcompensating.
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The Great Muta - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:43:06 EST ID:rdqm7F+V No.6203796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203789
Could you possibly project any harder?

The guy is being paid to get in front of cameras and crowds to entertain. If he failed to do this twice for dark matches, then how can you realistically book Lars in ANY important match?

I want you to give an honest answer what you would do with Lars if you were Vince McMahon. Would you risk putting him in a main event position?
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:49:36 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203796

Someone has daddy issues, its ok to have empathy it doesn't make you weak.
https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org i think this link might be of help mate
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Private Eye - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:52:23 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6203801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203782
Not gonna lie the whole fake tought guy act is kinda pathetic.
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Violent J - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:57:33 EST ID:c6+DcXe+ No.6203803 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203789
"Everyone has had anxiety at some point, so an anxiety attack is no big deal" is some real flawed logic.

>>6203796
Sure, there's 0 transition between performing for 300 people and 10,000 people, against a guy with a history of getting people he doesn't like fired. If he's not performing with the confidence of Roman - who made one million people stop watching over the last 5 years - then he's trash.
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Stephanie McMahon-Levesque - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:03:24 EST ID:Wf9hRuBX No.6203807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203803
i get anxiety just streaming for the tube
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Jazz - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:19:23 EST ID:0J/9kIpN No.6203816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203803
I like how you've completely thrown out the fact that Lars has mental issues and are now trying to reason that he had a panic attack because of his opponent. That's fine for you, I guess, but this incident tells everyone that he could back out of any match at any time without giving anyone notice due to his illness.
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Fire Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:27:27 EST ID:eTCPEDuC No.6203820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203816
Doesnt bork already back out at any match at any time without giving anyone notice.
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Mascarita Dorada - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:08:31 EST ID:Et7bpkP9 No.6203849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Juice Robinson pinned Cody to win the U.S. title in 9:02. ***

My sides are in orbit
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Wifebeater - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:13:42 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6203852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203820
bork is in a position where he can tell his boss to go fuck himself and receive no consequences while receiving fuck you money.

the American dream.
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Justice - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:55:05 EST ID:hEA3E0+S No.6203886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203697
Considering wwe and their last minute changes, he was probably said "Yeah, so your first opponent in the main event will be none other that JOHN CENA! Good luck, pal!"
some time before the show.
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Mil M‡scaras - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:57:17 EST ID:sgB7N7U9 No.6203888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All this AEW news has my hopes up for the future of wrestling. I hope they don't fuck it up. If WWE gets competition with money, it's nothing but better for the business.
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Justice - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:01:05 EST ID:hEA3E0+S No.6203890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203886
didn't mean to type main event but big league or something
nb
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Hajime Ohara - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:01:41 EST ID:nfIqm+I1 No.6203891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203849
If this was in Japan, Dave would...oh, wait, oh no no no no
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Meng - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:07:29 EST ID:gE2f8WmP No.6203894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Brock Lesnar still hasn’t paid his $250,000 fine as part of his punishment for testing positive for Clomiphene at UFC 200 when he beat Mark Hunt in July 2016. So even though he would be able to fight if he has passed his last six months of drug tests, he would have to pay the fine to the Nevada Athletic Commission before he would be removed from the suspended list that every state athletic commission honors
lmao
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Horace - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:12:42 EST ID:N5ewRDhl No.6203897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203894
>tfw Dana moves the event to Canada to have the Bork vs DC match

BASED DANA
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PAC - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:20:34 EST ID:i6bHNbOn No.6203901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203670
>Juice Robinson pinned Cody to win the U.S. title in 9:02. ***
>Worst match on the main card
God fucking bless this Meltz/Cody feud, can't wait to see their blow off match at AEW.
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Wifebeater - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:58:23 EST ID:rgxBz+Rx No.6203919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203894
>dana decides to host it in another state.
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Sonny Onoo - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:02:49 EST ID:N7stDOR2 No.6203921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203897
carnies always win
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Evan Karagias - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:28:22 EST ID:fbeQo6fA No.6203934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203894
He can take it to the Yappapai Reservation brotherdudejack
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Ashley Cartier - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:32:46 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6203939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203771
>The star rating system is widely held to be a five star system.
And yet that didnt stop major publications from giving 0 or 6 stars, or even replacing star ratings with things like "TRASH" or "?????".
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:41:11 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203939
I mean yeah, maybe a few times people have done that as a funny thing, but mostly it's a five star system and it works well when everyone is on the same system.

Meltzer has basically declared that he isn't going to bother following the convention anymore, because he really wants to tell people that Omega is the best ever wrestler. So now his ratings are confusing, because his 7 star is now the same as everyone else's 5 star.
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Matt Jackson - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:48:59 EST ID:ftnXTqS0 No.6203944 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203771
The star rating system was done by Jim Cornette first & was originally a 4-star system. That is, until a match happened that got a 5-star rating. Then, there was matches that got ratings above 5-stars (Flair/Steamboat, Misawa/Kawada for example) & recently, the Omega/Okada matches got the 6-star rating.

The idea that it was only a 5-star rating was never really the case & if people don't get that, that's not exactly Meltzer's fault.
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Ashley Cartier - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:55:07 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6203946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203942
Thats like getting mad that 7/10 is better score in NME than on IGN or something. Every reviewer has their own scale, there is no "universal standard".
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Brother Runt - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:11:51 EST ID:ZYKZppsK No.6203951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
video game ratings broke people's brains
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:16:58 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203946
>>6203944
yes there are exceptions, but *generally* people in wrestling talk about a five star rating system (actually a 20-point system, which is more than enough levels to rate a match on). For instance, for everyone else in wrestling who says "that was a five star match", we know that they mean it was one of the best matches they've seen. It works well that way.

Just because Dave Meltzer really really likes Kenny Omega matches, does that now mean that everyone else has to change their rating system to fit his? Of course not. All he's done is made his rating unable to correlate with anyone elses. Essentially he's declared that his ratings are now special and no longer comparable with everyone elses, because he couldn't bear the thought of having people think that he thinks Misawa was as good a wrestler as Kenny Omega.
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Ashley Cartier - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:19:50 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6203955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203952
>does that now mean that everyone else has to change their rating system to fit his? Of course not. All he's done is made his rating unable to correlate with anyone elses. Essentially he's declared that his ratings are now special and no longer comparable with everyone elses

No and no. Any reviewer can use any rating system they damn well please, theres no universal union of wrestling reviewers where everyone cooks up standards and no one can use anything else. How about you listen or read the reviews instead of just skipping to an arbitrary system that never meant anything solid?
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Alex Riley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:29:58 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6203961 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203955
This.
Goddamn, wrestling fans can be such spergs. There are other reviewers out there, ya know, you can just watch or read their stuff if you're going to get mad at ratings over 5 stars or below 0. I was gonna mention Csonka, but I guess he's not going to be doing reviews for a while now due to his leg being amputated. Poor fella.
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:35:12 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203964 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203955
>Any reviewer can use any rating system they damn well please,


So then you'll agree that if Meltzer uses a 28 point scale and everyone else uses a 20 point scale, that a Meltzer five star match is equivalent to a four star match in everyone else's scale?
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Shayne Hawke - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:38:36 EST ID:TmYdx2SD No.6203965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203964
I think it really doesn't matter. They're all made up scales.
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Ashley Cartier - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:41:20 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6203968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203964
No reviewer is equal to any other reviewer, because, surprise surprise, reviews are subjective.
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Scott Lost - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:46:26 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203968
I totally agree.
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Ashley Cartier - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:55:59 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6203978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203974
What are we debating then?
I hate when people get hung up on ratings. Ive been a huge videogame nerd my whole life and I grew up in "this game got a 6.7 in this magazine and 7 in this magazine and 3/5 in this magazine, but this game got 6.8, 7 and 3/5 so game B is better!!!!" enviroment where people never understood that the scores are only there to "pretty up" the actual content of the review. At least nowadays some people use "recommended/not recommended".
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:16:43 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6203991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203978
The point is that Meltzer didn't just change his rating system on a whim, he did it specifically to make a point about how he thinks the style of wrestling in modern NJPW (specifically Omega and Okada) has surpassed all the other great wrestling in history. And I fundamentally disagree with that.

If he wasn't so influential it wouldn't matter, but people put stock in his ratings and quote them as an authority, but they don't even make sense anymore. What is a Dave Meltzer "5 star match" now? Is it one of the greatest of all time? Or is equivalent to a four star on everyone else's scales? My sense is that he is keeping things as they were but just lobbing out 5+ ratings for wrestlers he likes, instead of doing what every other reviewer does and actually write about how he liked the match.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:25:26 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6203995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203991
he surpassed 5 stars probably even before you were born, just say you don't agree with his subjective opinion and leave it there, don't try to make up arguments that don't exist
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Gree Ant - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:42:12 EST ID:9PpOH2E3 No.6204001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203991
>What is a Dave Meltzer "5 star match" now?

the same thing its always been "A match you'd probably enjoy if you like wrestling so you should go watch it"
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:46:19 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203995
I did say I disagree with his opinion so why are you getting mad about it?
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Scott Armstrong - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:46:39 EST ID:CXBa0qkv No.6204004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203995
I'm fine with the idea that people shouldn't care so much about star ratings in general, but doing something twice historically and doing it 11 times in 2 years all for the same company certainly is quite a change in the curve
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Lash LeRoux - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:48:35 EST ID:FSsLjkkf No.6204005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203991
I mean if he honestly thinks there are matches now that are way better than his previous 5 stars would you rather he issued a correction and said the old ones were 4.475* matches now?
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Kerry Von Erich - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:50:12 EST ID:3rz2Kjle No.6204006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Kenni drew the biggest gate in Japanese pro-wrestling history
Naicringe BTFO.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:51:51 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204003
then say you disagree instead of trying to say he's overrating matches to show this company is fantastic and he's overrating this specific guy because he likes him, how do they not make sense anymore if his system has surpassed 5 stars far longer than it hasn't?
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:52:39 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204005
I'd rather people didn't take his ratings so seriously that they feel the need to defend him when people criticise his reviews
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Mark Madden - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:58:37 EST ID:TmYdx2SD No.6204009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204008
The only person "taking them too seriously" is the guy obsessing over the scale.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 19:59:24 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204008
you're not really criticizing the actual ratings, you're quite obviously implying some level of deception outside of just liking the matches, you've posted every somewhat possible reason for him rating these specific matches very highly except dave simply thinking that match or this match is the best he's ever seen, we all know what you're trying to do here
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Vince McMahon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:00:56 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6204011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What a barn burner!
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:01:55 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204007
>he's overrating matches to show this company is fantastic and he's overrating this specific guy because he likes him,

He's literally doing this though and even admits it himself. He said he rated those matches higher than anything else because they have evolved wrestling to a new height that it has never reached before. I disagree with that. Don't bother replying if you can't deal with someone disagreeing with his opinion.

>how do they not make sense anymore if his system has surpassed 5 stars far longer than it hasn't?

yes we all know that technically he gave a 6 star match before. but do you really believe that all this time, he has been actually rating his matches out of 6, he just pretended it was out of 5 and when he rated a match 5 stars he didn't actually mean it was one of the best he had ever seen? Also the point is moot, now that he's rating shit at 7.
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Bobby Lashley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:04:05 EST ID:LmEoWV1/ No.6204013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204011
can’t wait for more record low ratings
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:07:50 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204012
>yes we all know that technically he gave a 6 star match before
You didn't seem to my man, I like your use of technically too

>but do you really believe that all this time, he has been actually rating his matches out of 6, he just pretended it was out of 5 and when he rated a match 5 stars he didn't actually mean it was one of the best he had ever seen?
I believe Dave gives not a single solitary fuck about "the integrity of a ratings scale" and the people taking extreme stock in his ratings, as he's said time and time again that ratings are the least important part of the observer and are pretty much just recommendations
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:08:09 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204010
>you're quite obviously implying some level of deception outside of just liking the matches

holy shit. Listen I respect Meltzer as a wrstling journalist and think he writes the best obits in the industry, but his reviewing system sucks and lost all credibility with me when he started going over five stars and saying that wrestling now was better than anything else in history. That's my opinion ok?

To be clear my opinion is that "wrestling is not better now than in the past and certainly not Kenny Omega matches". That's the opinion you need to be responding to.
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Conor O'Brian - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:08:47 EST ID:6FjYH56d No.6204016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203991
>people put stock in his ratings and quote them as an authority
I've asked you before and I'll ask you again now, hopefully you will answer this time;
Show me some actual examples of this happening in real life.
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Michael Nakazawa - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:10:05 EST ID:MYLVlk8q No.6204017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204012
If a teacher gives a student extra credit for going above and beyond the assignment, is that overrating?

Meltzer has things he really fucking likes. It's okay to not agree with that, it's okay to have different criteria. But if Meltzer or anyone puts down criteria, then says "this thing exceeds my criteria", then that's not a betrayal of the criteria.

Snowflakes aren't God, so stop acting like Meltzer has committed heresy. Jesus.
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Michael Nakazawa - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:13:44 EST ID:MYLVlk8q No.6204018 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204016
Replace "people" with "Killer Kowalski ID" and you have your answer.

nb for double post
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:16:54 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204019 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204015
then literally all you have to say is I don't agree on his ratings, you seem to be writing a shit load about the integrity of a a wrestling scale when not only has this "integrity" not existed far longer than it did but both him and I'm sure most of his readers don't take this anymore seriously than some fun dumb thing in the observer, and then even after this trying to say that other people take his ratings too seriously?
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:21:17 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204016
literally go to circlejerk and type in star ratings in the search bar and see all the threads and comment where people quote star ratings "statistics" for wrestlers and don't even use his name sometimes because they just assume that all star ratings are his.

Or Cagematch where they base a lot of the reccomended matches in their match guide on whether Meltzer gave it a good review.

I mean you're denying that he's a big influence in the online wrestling scene. It's simply ridiculous.

On the subject of inflated star ratings over five, I'm in agreement with Lance Storm who pretty much said the same thing about how wrestling today isn't better or worse.
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Krazy K - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:21:30 EST ID:b/6yrda6 No.6204022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The sooner people stop caring and talking about Meltzer's ratings, the better. Its all to generate clicks and generate interest so he can make more money anyway, because he knows how autistc the IWC is.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:26:06 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204021
recommended cagematch matches come from messaging the owners of the site to make them recommended, obviously there would be overlap when Dave rates most of the most popular stuff
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:28:51 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204019
I've said over and over again that I disagree with the ratings because they imply that modern NJPW is better than other wrestling in history (something that Meltzer said himself) and over and over again you ignore that point and accuse me "taking the star ratings too seriously". Stop being disingenuous and respond to my actual point.

>then literally all you have to say is I don't agree on his ratings,
I have said that I disagree with them, but this seems to offend you greatly.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:32:28 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6204026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204012
>Don't bother replying if you can't deal with someone disagreeing with his opinion.
Says the dude sperging about someone having a different opinion that he doesnt like. We dont give a flying fuck, livejournal is that way.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:34:33 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204025
literally your first four posts were quite clearly talking about the integrity of the rating scale, how else am i supposed to take you talking about this other than you talking about this? How is you talking about this not taking them too seriously?
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:37:14 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204023
While for smaller promotions this sometimes works, for larger promotions, if Meltzer rates a match lower than 3.5, they won't put it on the matchguide, even if the users rate it highly

here's an example, Bound for Glory 2018. If you read the reviews of the event, users are really highly rating the OVE vs Cage and Lucha Brothers match at 4 or more. But Meltzer rated it 3, so the cagematch guys didn't put it in the matchguide. That's a perfect example of how his opinion is given weight.

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=212056
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Conor O'Brian - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:38:54 EST ID:6FjYH56d No.6204029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204021
>literally go to circlejerk
why the fuck would i ever do that?
Anyway, show me some examples of this happening that don't exist inside your head.
Still waiting here.
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The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Iaukea - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:39:33 EST ID:N5ewRDhl No.6204031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Based Meltz working the smarks into a fit

Seriously is there a superstarer more capable of drawing WHITE HOT HEAT than the Meltzman?
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:39:51 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204028
if enough people message them to mark it as recommended they will, I am fully confident the owners of the site don't choose to just not mark something as recommended if dave doesnt like it too much
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Bobby Lashley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:40:41 EST ID:LmEoWV1/ No.6204033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did Meltz even give Homecoming star ratings? Why does he not care about Impact?
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Rizokahn - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:43:31 EST ID:REbSzboT No.6204036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204033
Guy was in Japan for the last week or so. He couldn't watch all the content. Hell, he doesn't have anything the last UFC show outside of the Jon Jones stuff and buyrate number.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:44:07 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204028
actually i just checked and Roman Undertaker at Mania 33 only got 3 and is still marked as recommended
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:44:12 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204029
here ya go.
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Bobby Lashley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:45:46 EST ID:LmEoWV1/ No.6204042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204036
That’s right I forgot he was in Japan, my bad
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:47:35 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204040
do you think this guy thinks Manami Toyotas is one of the GOATs because Dave rated her highly or is using that as a familiar statistic to show how good she is?
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:47:35 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204039
I asked the people who run the site and they said that if Meltzer rates something highly, they automatically put it in the guide. They also said that if he didn't rate it highly it's "unlikely" it will go in the guide.
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:49:02 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204048 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204045
you're talking about two different things, matchguide and recommended matches, daves ratings do function as a matchguide even on his own site
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:51:09 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204050 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204044
>do you think this guy thinks Manami Toyotas is one of the GOATs because Dave rated her highly or is using that as a familiar statistic to show how good she is?

both of those scenarios imply that his star ratings have a great meaning for certain wrestling fans. I don't even know what you're arguing. You've got to be trolling at this point or just very sheltered if you don't think his ratings aren't influential to many fans. Maybe not you, but many people do put stock in his ratings.
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Dustin Diamond - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:52:35 EST ID:H35fVjhR No.6204054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Not sure how legit this is, but a post on r/sc says Dash Wilder has filed a trademark for #FTR. Pic related

Apparently this information can be easily obtained through the US Patent Office's website's search, but I'm too stoned to wanna go do all that right now tbh so feel free to fact check this for me if you aren't as lazy as I am.

Could this mean they're planning on going to AEW? I certainly hope so.
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Killer Kowalski - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:54:06 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204054
>trademarking a three letter hashtag for federal tax returns
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Dustin Diamond - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:54:08 EST ID:H35fVjhR No.6204056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204054
actually nvm I went ahead and fact checked it myself, and it is indeed there

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4805:t071px.2.1
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Dustin Diamond - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:56:39 EST ID:H35fVjhR No.6204058 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204056
seems that the link is broken, if you go there and search ftr it's the first thing that shows up

nb for double (triple?) post
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:59:41 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204062 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204050
If your argument that these star ratings are the equivalent of like a roger ebert then sure maybe, but I'm pretty sure you're angling to make this sound worse than people use his ratings as recommendations
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Conor O'Brian - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 20:59:47 EST ID:6FjYH56d No.6204063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204054
that sneaky motherfucker
He knows the Khans have the money to just pay him a yearly licensing fee if they want to keep using it.
What a worker, brother
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Vince McMahon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:02:54 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6204066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204054
Revival were literally using the hashtag on their trunks on Monday. It means nothing.

If you want a better sign of them thinking of jumping ship, the two are following AEW's twitter.
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Dustin Diamond - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:10:11 EST ID:H35fVjhR No.6204068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204066
>that RNG
well, I guess you should know about that, huh? lol

but in all seriousness, since I don't use twitter, I didn't know about that; so, thanks for the info. that is quite interesting to know.
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Kenny King - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:11:26 EST ID:xWBoLMFC No.6204069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204066
>Revival were literally using the hashtag on their trunks on Monday

Well, that all depends on what the FTR stands for. Which I assume stands for Free the Revival. Probably just getting prepared to use it down the line. But yeah, I thinks it's very obvious that the Revival are leaving one their contracts are done
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Kurrgan - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:13:03 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204066
Do talent personally trademark stuff for use in the WWE while still on contract? I don't remember a prior case of this but maybe it happened
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Angelina Love - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:14:38 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6204073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204071
>Do talent personally trademark stuff for use in the WWE while still on contract?
not if they want to stay on management's good side
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Conor O'Brian - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:18:16 EST ID:6FjYH56d No.6204076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204040
Right so what am I supposed to be seeing here?
And why am I supposed to be upset?
Why should I care at all what some random circlejerkor thinks?
Why are you choosing this embarrassing hill to die on?
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Ace Steel - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:29:47 EST ID:3L9X+ISz No.6204078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203849

They had a 10min SD tv match
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Roderick Strong - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:50:43 EST ID:G9cW5MRV No.6204088 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203689

Instant cringe? Why?
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Brie Bella - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:55:00 EST ID:exVPSkSh No.6204090 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:07:40 EST ID:FGuFB9y4 No.6204094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204088

Because I was really bored at the moment I wrote it.

Hindsight being 20/20, obviously not a good idea. I'll concede to that.

nb
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Vince McMahon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:11:07 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6204095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204069
>Well, that all depends on what the FTR stands for.
They've turned it around to mean Forever The Revival. Check their twitter history on this.
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Nicole Bass - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:12:54 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6204096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Lucha Underground DVDs are out for seasons 1-3

>only available in the US
>$50 for each season
>$125 for all 3 seasons
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Bobby Lashley - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:16:11 EST ID:LmEoWV1/ No.6204097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204090
tinfoil
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:16:16 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6204098 Report Quick Reply
>>6204097
Third option is tinfoil as fuck.
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Conor O'Brian - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:17:46 EST ID:6FjYH56d No.6204100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204098
>$125 for all 3 seasons
>tinfoil as fuck
What am I not seeing here NJ?
Smarten me up brother dude cyborg man jack
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:01:30 EST ID:FGuFB9y4 No.6204113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204090

>Tweeting this now so that it's in your Twitter history for you to point out 10, maybe 20 years later in the event WWE buys out AEW and they do a terrible invasion angle
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:03:29 EST ID:nDYCLFBn No.6204115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I wonder how soon the bucks and cody get legit hated if it looks like they booked themselves to always win and be dominate on top
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Vince McMahon - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:10:08 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6204118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204115
At least the Bucks will get the full Mary Sue treatment. Whenever they're not in the ring, at least one commentator or wrestler will ask "Where are the Young Bucks?"
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Angelina Love - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:12:42 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6204119 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204096
>English USA version only
>Standard Def only
>3/4 seasons only
>early orders got a Vampiro signed card
lolLU
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Jamilia Craft - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:36:21 EST ID:qqRmEptO No.6204129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204115
>>6204118
The YB$ have been effectively booking themselves for years in ROH & PWG but OK
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Rizokahn - Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:59:14 EST ID:REbSzboT No.6204134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Women wrestlers from Stardom and other promotions have been contacted. One of the key ones was Mayu Iwatani, who is unlikely to come. ROH, which also has an affiliation with Stardom, paid for Iwatani’s three-year U.S. visa so unless ROH and AWE make a deal, which will be difficult because they are competitors, Stardom feels it would be wrong to have her work against ROH, which also has booked Iwatani for its Madison Square Garden show.
I'm happy to see her get to compete in MSG like she wanted.

>>6204118
They should also be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.
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Masa Takanashi - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 00:29:30 EST ID:OptfWXyB No.6204147 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204115
Given how long it took people to get sick of Dusty's shit in WCW, a couple years at most probably.
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A.J. Lee - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 04:36:12 EST ID:NUcNM2GP No.6204215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204001
This. Meltzer's scale isn't 0-5, worst possible match to best possible match, all arraigned numerically, it's "never see this match" to "you should definitely check this match out." If Meltzer reviewed superhero films, he might give The Dark Knight 5 stars. It's not the best movie ever, but if you like superhero films, you should check it out. And if it isn't the best superhero film you ever saw, that's cool too, because the scale is just as make-believe as the movie.
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Sable - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 07:07:37 EST ID:IWOvwCMY No.6204236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204090
the obsession with invasion storylines and stables in WWE is getting old
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:06:01 EST ID:0HHuaCWE No.6204300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6203789
>>6203799
>projecting hard enough and brightly enough to be visible from low earth orbit

>>6204090
I honestly can't tell if this is a parody account, or if this clown honestly believes this.
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Michael McGillicutty - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:11:08 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6204307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204147
>Given how long it took people to get sick of Dusty's shit in WCW
people were tired of Dusty's shit by end of 1988 and JCP's "golden age" was 1984-1986.
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Johnny Kidd - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:46:50 EST ID:n7SCwKag No.6204321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204300
I guarantee you they think that's a possibility. E-drones are really conditioned in the way that they think 'anything can happen in the wwe universe' because the commentators repeat it all the time.
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The T-Man - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:21:36 EST ID:ySWuZDbO No.6204532 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does this section still post the full issue pastebin? I wanted to see if the Gene Okerlund obit was in this week''s issue.
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Kurrgan - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:36:10 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204550 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204532
OP is scared of posting because of some sort of asp boogeyman so you usually have to rely on someone else
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Eighth Commandment !zkBGAvsLnM - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:41:03 EST ID:4N7eRbXk No.6204557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Sullivan, real name Dylan Miley, 30, was scheduled to debut on the main roster, probably in a dark match, on the 1/7 Raw in Orlando. He either didn’t show up at the arena, or did and left the building, believed to be due to an anxiety attack. The office, which is a lot more understanding of mental health issues to do its experience with Mauro Ranallo, talked with him and smoothed things out and everything was fine. He was then supposed to do a dark match at the 1/8 Smackdown tapings in Jacksonville. Not only did he not show up in Jacksonville, but he apparently flew back home to Colorado. Nothing else is known, whether they will change plans or how it will be handled.

That's it for Lars, I guess.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:42:31 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6204560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204550
>>6204554
No /pol/ has been a rule for ages now. Its enforced fairly and evenly for all sides. This isnt a news item being discussed, so it was purged as off topic.
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Rey Mysterio - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:44:30 EST ID:NsUYYZnZ No.6204562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204557
rip lars
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Killer Kowalski - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:54:38 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204566
This post? Why would this removed?
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:16:53 EST ID:b7nEaZDH No.6204583 Report Quick Reply
Which part do you not understand. No /pol/.

>>6204572
collateral damage
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Super Crazy - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:20:53 EST ID:LUMg+nxK No.6204587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204557
Lars is now going to be lurking the unemployment line.
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Angelina Love - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:25:16 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6204591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
/420/ is a great board for crying about the mods to nobody who gives any fucks. way better than here
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Mr. Fuji - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:26:49 EST ID:AOHs9f8K No.6204594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol
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Killer Kowalski - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:28:54 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204591
I posted there ans Mintz immediately locked the thread

Why the fuck is he trying to stop people from knowing about Sullivan's racism?
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:33:30 EST ID:b7nEaZDH No.6204598 Report Quick Reply
>>6204596
We already know about it. It was posted about 3-4 month ago.

This is not new news. We don't care about Lars and his racism. Stop trying to devolve this into another /pol/ thread. That's why it got purged earlier.
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Kenny King - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:35:59 EST ID:xWBoLMFC No.6204599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204596
You are one of the more annoying posters on /wooo/
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Killer Kowalski - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:37:44 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6204601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204598
>We don't care about Lars and his racism.

Just because you don't, doesn't mean other people don't want to talk about it. People talked about Hogan for months. AFAIK, Sullivan hasn't even apologised yet.

Actually I don't think a lot of people do know about it, because it was very quickly brushed under the carpet. If people are going off on tangents, then feel free to delete that, but not simply people bringing up relevant information about a wrestler.

We discuss wrestlers personalities here all the time, I don't know why mentioning this particular wrestler and his personality is a taboo topic for you
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Larry Zbyszko - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:38:49 EST ID:YAlnBtzF No.6204602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204572
Since my post was deleted for some reason, I'll just reiterate this in reference to this screencap, karma is real folks. Don't be a dick and life wont dick you back in response. I feel bad for Lars having his troubles that derailed his debut, but knowing that this is his beliefs regarding such things (and it may have changed since then who knows), it's a little bit of cosmic comeuppance to teach him a lesson he clearly needed to learn.
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Vince Russo - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:40:52 EST ID:R2pgUtaE No.6204604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204601
Fuck off you schizo pol faggot
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Kurrgan - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:41:15 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204598
>We don't care about Lars and his racism
that's a major yikes, maybe edit your post brother
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Kenny King - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:45:17 EST ID:xWBoLMFC No.6204611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204601
calm down autismo
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Krazy K - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:51:00 EST ID:b/6yrda6 No.6204615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204602
Karma is not real, if it were then things wouldn't be so bad.
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Larry Zbyszko - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:52:12 EST ID:YAlnBtzF No.6204616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204615
Things are bad now yes, but they will right themselves eventually and come back to normality. That's how it works.
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Michael Elgin - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:54:14 EST ID:IoGqlBfr No.6204620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204598
Since when has "the news came out 3 months ago so we can't talk about it now" ever been a rule here. It wasn't just a few offhand remarks, the guy was literally posting neo nazi type stuff. We should be able to talk about it here.
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:57:26 EST ID:b7nEaZDH No.6204625 Report Quick Reply
>>6204620
I didn't say it was a rule. I'm telling you not to post it because people here will devolve it into another shitfest then the politics get involved. Then I need to purge it.

Understand?
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Jay Briscoe - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:00:59 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6204628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204602
>Don't be a dick and life wont dick you back in response.
Yeah dude. I believe you.
(not really)
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Chief Jay Strongbow - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:02:47 EST ID:YAlnBtzF No.6204630 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204628
....okay?
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Jerrelle Clark - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:05:07 EST ID:T2Bpmiac No.6204634 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204625
If someone posts about Sullivan is a racist (or posts about how any wrestler is a racist), then that should be fine to discuss.

But if the posts is derailed, then delete the posts doing the derailing, not the actual people who were talking about the wrestler.

If you purge everything then you just encourage people to derail topics they don't like in the hope that the thread or subject will be deleted.
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Sabu - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:05:20 EST ID:G9cW5MRV No.6204635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204628

Thanks for putting that in parentheses, we never could've deciphered that high level of sarcasm.
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Jay Briscoe - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:07:03 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6204637 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204630
I mean, I tried to be a passable and decent human being and I ended up as a forced shut in with health in the gutter and on disability. So that kind of logic kind of triggers me, I guess, or something. I wish that was the case though.
nb for blogging about personal crap
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Lacey Von Erich - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:08:59 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6204643 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204625
do you not understand the issue of limiting an entire discussion because people will derail it over just banning the people who derail it?
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:13:18 EST ID:b7nEaZDH No.6204647 Report Quick Reply
>>6204634
It was the first reply to the post that derailed it and it just spiraled off from there. Do not reply to posts, even if its to reply with some meme or image. It'll just get purged and we'll put it down once again to collateral damage.
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Hajime Ohara - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:14:29 EST ID:R2pgUtaE No.6204648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>lolwwe
>pol
>fags crying about mods
There's really no reason to keep wwe on this wrestling imageboard
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Tsukasa Fujimoto - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:15:59 EST ID:xWBoLMFC No.6204649 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204648
And you're the biggest fag of the bunch
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Rey Bucanero - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:24:16 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6204652 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Do you guys think wwe would be above holding a large fan event and purposely causing an explosion with controlled demolition killing most of the attendants including some of the more "expendable" wrestlers. For the main purpose of creating sympathy for wwe and getting all this media attention and support. Stephanie can brag to herself about having her own personal 9/11. Now they have like a holiday they cn milk every year with interviews from survivors and families of the victims. But also they'll make up this scenario where this group of shadowy guys in AEW merch were at the event and orchestrated the attack with a suicide bombing They won't outright say AEW was behind it but the supposed action of some of their fans makes people turn against AEW so hard they have to shut down.
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Hamuko Hoshi - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:25:09 EST ID:FT7fbyfG No.6204653 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Man what the fuck is going on with WWE recently. Weirder and weirder stories keep coming out. I don't think stuff like the Lars thing happened 10 years ago or even 5, lots of more mundane things being screwed up but nothing this weird.
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Rey Bucanero - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:26:38 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6204654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204634
I first thought you meant kevin Sullivan but then remembered Lars is the one being currently discussed right now.
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Hamuko Hoshi - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:30:04 EST ID:FT7fbyfG No.6204656 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204652
The part about AEW is stupid and unnecessary. Just the bomb would be enough. And I think they would have already done that at various past points of failure if they were gonna do it, no one in the company management legit cares about bad PR, bad ratings etc. because of the TV money they're swimming in and the bad PR is largely overblown compared to when Benoit happened when wrestling was seen as scummy by anyone who watched the news.
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Mintzs !GD3wBpep0Y - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:36:38 EST ID:b7nEaZDH No.6204667 Report Quick Reply
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>>6204652
what
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Tsukushi - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:46:28 EST ID:c6+DcXe+ No.6204669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204653
The Old Man's mind is slipping faster and faster. Factions within the company are vying for control, chaos ensues.
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Bobby Lashley - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:33:44 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.6204702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204652
I remember the first time you made this post and it was stupid as hell then too.
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Rey Bucanero - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:46:12 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6204709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204702
Don't know why tou think wwe wouldn't try and pull something like that i mean they aren't exactly beacons of class or morality
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Gunner - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:48:22 EST ID:3ayx20MU No.6204711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204652
Dookie Man, is that you?
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Dick Togo - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:57:10 EST ID:MbMFdgxt No.6204722 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204652
How fucking high are you m8
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Stinky the Homeless Guy - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:57:14 EST ID:c106BcDQ No.6204723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204652
I genuinely cannot believe that I have read this, and I don't know whether to laugh or sob
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Xavier - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:03:03 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6204727 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204572
Serious question, how do we know this is Lars? I haven't heard about this before
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Xavier - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:04:36 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6204730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204652
What

nb
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Matt Classic - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:08:32 EST ID:pm7p+VRp No.6204732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204727
he posted pictures of himself in various stages of undress
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Low Ki - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:30:02 EST ID:qqRmEptO No.6204754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204652
WWE isn't even close to competent enough to pull this off.
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The Great Kabuki - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:43:07 EST ID:EPQjPxwB No.6204761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204727
>I haven't heard about this before

Mintzs has been defending him by deleting any mention of this or the racist shit he posted.
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Harlem Bravado - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:29:26 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6204786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Dave's getting himself in hot water again, being considered homophobic for his praise of this promo.
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Rey Bucanero - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:38:41 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6204794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204786
Maybe it's because i dont know the history of those fighters but it just seems like a standard promo. Not as great as kimbo slice pulling his balls out.
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The Great Khali - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:38:52 EST ID:EO/Je4A2 No.6204796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204786
>Praise
That looks like sarcasm to me.
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Rey Bucanero - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:41:09 EST ID:i/vMZ8oL No.6204797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204796
That's kinda how it reads to me, promo seems awfully generic to elicit actual praise from dave.
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Iceberg - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:45:48 EST ID:sRwN71j/ No.6204799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204786
With any luck this means we'll get another WOR that is nothing but 40 mins of spaghetti and apologies
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Chessman - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 23:00:55 EST ID:MtWy1cAQ No.6204806 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have they done the WON Awards for 2018 yet?
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Chief Jay Strongbow - Sat, 12 Jan 2019 23:04:38 EST ID:YAlnBtzF No.6204812 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204652
I want the drugs you're taking, but only a little bit not as much as you took cos it's melted your brain.
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Richie Steamboat - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 00:58:34 EST ID:H35fVjhR No.6204842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204557
>>6204572

holy shit the hilarious irony if this is true
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Bull Buchanan - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 01:53:04 EST ID:yf09eetF No.6204849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204727
>He hasn't been following this

Tbf I used to post on the WWE forum of BB.com at the time and it's pretty surreal to think that the obvious troll would later be in WWE, so I've been following it. He was always such a 'tismo.
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Hardcore Holly - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 02:48:06 EST ID:66HHsgO9 No.6204852 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6204727
>I haven't heard about this before

Because when it came out That in 2013, just a few years before he signed to NXT, Sullivan had been making racist jokes and straight up white power shit, homophobia and telling people to commit mass shootings, the entire wrestling world did their best to ignore it.

>WWE did not mention it at all, or ask Sullivan to apologise, retract
>news sites, if they covered it at all, did it once and then quietly dropped it (compare this to the reaction to Hogan, who was not as bas as this at all)
>Squaredcircle (who have a partnership with wwe) banned the dirtsheet site that released the info
>And now we have a mod here trying to scrub any mention of the more disturbing shit he said because "it's old news that we all know about"

It's weird how wrestling fans will downplay crap, as long as it comes from a wrestler they like.
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Ken Shamrock - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 03:50:10 EST ID:o90YEAgv No.6204859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204852
Is that the white power shit you're talking about? Because that's reaching.
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Madusa - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 04:11:22 EST ID:cr0kvadq No.6204862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204859
There's more than a single post.
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Sarita - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 05:42:38 EST ID:0502YOVz No.6204865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Batista has joined the cast of Denis Villeneuve's Dune

He is really racking up a list of noteworthy films. Not China-pleasing blockbusters like Rock has, but boy is Batista's list cooler
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Ring Ryda Red - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 05:58:19 EST ID:OIAM1651 No.6204866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hi JT_Diamond!

Can you read my fucking ID on top?
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Super Crazy - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:18:40 EST ID:exVPSkSh No.6204868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Trevor Lee signed with WWE.

This screams of desperation on the part of WWE. Lee is good or whatever but can you see them doing anything with him? This is just WWE scooping up talent from AEW and other promotions.

I'm reminded of Meltzer quotes from WCW

>"Christian York & Joey Matthews were told they didn't have to move to Atlanta or start going to the Power Plant yet, but they'll probably have to start going in six months. For now they are getting paid for doing nothing" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: August 6, 1999

>"Dustin Runnels was at Starrcade, being called by management to return. Runnels is reportedly being paid $750,000 per year but the company isn't using him. When he got there, the company told him they had no plans for him, and he went back home." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: December 25, 2000.

>"Tank Abbot it still being flown in to every Nitro and still under contract, they just aren't using him" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: June 28, 1999
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Jake The Snake Roberts - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:37:26 EST ID:b/6yrda6 No.6204869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204865
Who will Batista even play in that?
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Sabu - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:39:44 EST ID:G9cW5MRV No.6204870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204868

Trevor Lee is not making close to $750,000. This is a smart move for the WWE. Trevor is a good hand and will be a very good midcarder and will get himself over huge in NXT. Clearly he wants to be there, since this has been rumored since last summer. Expecting anything more would be dumb, and I'm sure even Trevor Lee knows that.
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Larry Zbyszko - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:50:09 EST ID:RHbsK6aP No.6204871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204868
I won't argue that WWE's roster is bloated, but I wouldn't call this desperation or a response to AEW. WWE has been snatching up notable free agents left and right for years now. This isn't outside of normal for them. Also there has been talk for months now of WWE wanting Lee.

Now if you can show me a contract where they offered Lee a better deal than what NXT guys normally get, then I'd call it desperation.
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Kevin Steen - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 08:14:12 EST ID:W6sOFY2F No.6204880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204859
Have you looked up the lyrics to that song? It's about how the germans should have killed all the jews in the holocaust. Sullivan isn't just a conservative who said something borderline, he was (is?) supporting neo nazi shit.
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Jakob Hammermeier - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 08:20:50 EST ID:UK2yhMSh No.6204881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204880
For some people even something as blatant as klansman burbing crosses in black neighborhoods saying lynch black people wouldn't be proof enough of somebody being racist. There's really no arguing with them
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Jake The Snake Roberts - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 08:31:02 EST ID:b/6yrda6 No.6204888 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204880
People make jokes all the time about that stuff. Its not a taboo anymore, so it doesn't matter as much as you think it does. To play Devil's Advocate, he thought the song was awesome but might not agree with the meaning/content.
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Joe E. Legend - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 08:36:56 EST ID:a600dGtz No.6204891 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204865
Batista did the best film acting of any wrestler in Blade Runner 2.
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Will o' The Wisp - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 08:57:31 EST ID:QT4Uh4L7 No.6204894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204888
The bubble you live in to think white supremacy isnt taboo
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Michael Tarver - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:17:21 EST ID:CZqDc642 No.6204915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204894
It shouldn't be
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Goat - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:19:36 EST ID:RiKWZAnF No.6204919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204869

The Beast Rabban would be my guess
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Greg The Hammer Valentine - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:24:25 EST ID:j6HMSxST No.6204922 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204888

Yeah, I like some Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie songs even though they are commie shitheads.
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Tomko - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:35:40 EST ID:ZA3/SD4P No.6204927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204871
I thing this is about how WWE will start to take talent way ealier then before, even when they are not big deal. We will propaly see it more if AEW becomes bigger deal. Maybe we see WWE taking guys who have only done handful of matches if they look a part and have something going for them.
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Chuck Taylor - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:58:40 EST ID:VyMJMFpx No.6204936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204922
If a banjo player singing about how racism is bad and him not bootlicking and loving the vietnam war upsets you maybe screwdriver is more up your alley. You remind me of paul Ryan saying he loves rage against the machine oblivious that they hate everything he stands for.
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Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 12:05:43 EST ID:Z8jsFD+3 No.6204939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204922
>songs about peace and goodwill
>songs about hate
How come you guys really can't tell the difference? I'm being facetious, because I know you can, and this is all just normalizing abhorrent views for laughs, or because you want people to be comfy with them, or you just want to annoy people you hate. nb because I'm picking /pol/ fights.
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Barry Windham - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 12:13:56 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6204943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204919
I forget, didn't the book describe Gurney or Duncan as some big dude 4u, too?
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The Sheik - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 12:29:19 EST ID:qdYeeVf0 No.6204951 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204868
I don't think it's super surprising to see Trevor Lee get a shot now that the Hardys are there, personally
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Miss Elizabeth - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 12:59:14 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6204974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ernest Miller Discusses Nixed Idea To Have Him Defeat Hulk Hogan For The WCW Championship
>When Miller was on the Pancakes and Powerslams Show in March 2018, he went into detail of Hulk Hogan lobbying for him to have a short-term reign as the World Heavyweight Champion.

>"You know what? Hogan wanted to lose the title to me one time to get me involved with the nWo," said Miller. "But then, if you noticed, we had so much little to nothing going on outside of the nWo. nWo was taking over the show so much that they didn't want the whole show to be about the nWo, so they had to build [people] who can actually draw ratings. So I was one of the ones who wasn't involved in the nWo, but I was still drawing good ratings when I would go out. It worked. There were a few of us that could draw ratings on our own without being involved in the nWo."

>Miller went into detail with David Penzer of why Eric Bischoff decided not to give the go-ahead for him to win the title. Miller stated that Sting recognized that he was starting to get popular in WCW, and told him that he has something going.

>"Sting looked at me and said, 'Cat, you're over, man,'" said Miller. "He said that was like the best thing on the pay-per-view! That's the best thing on this show! He said, 'that's good!' So, I felt good. Him and Eric [Bischoff] made me the Commissioner, that way I got to work with everybody."

>Regarding not winning the world title, Miller explained why it did not happen.

>"Hulk Hogan came to me and repitched me a thing to where he wanted to drop the belt to me, the world champion belt to me, then chase me a few weeks to get it back," said Miller. "And, I remember the booking committee, which consisted of Eric [Bischoff] at that time, said, 'Listen. That sounds good, but we rather for you to keep the belt for a while if we [are] going to put the belt on you. We don't want you to win it on a Monday, then lose it again on a Thursday.' But, Hogan thought I was over enough to drop the belt to me."

>Penzer, who said that he was working in talent relations at the time with Terry Taylor, confirmed Miller's story.

>"I remember 100 percent Hulk pitching you as a short-term champion," said Penzer. "That is 100 percent true if anybody tries to say you're full of it. I got your back on that."
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Flip Kendrick - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:14:32 EST ID:hCjxCRST No.6205036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204974
Lol, Hogan would say that to a lot of the guys. It was meant as a political move so he could look good. It doesn't help that Miller was Bischoff's friend. And funny about them not wanting to hotshot the belt, even though they did that for most of the Spring.
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Mo - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:25:43 EST ID:N7stDOR2 No.6205039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>[Omega vs Tanahashi] was at a completely different level. These guys are playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers
yeah i'm thinking big dave is BASED
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Mascarita Dorada - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:28:48 EST ID:IUAH7GB7 No.6205096 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205036
Not just Hogan. From shoots I've seen/heard and book excerpts and stuff, it seems like it was a fairly common ploy, granted mostly by bookers.
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Alicia Fox - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:32:47 EST ID:LUMg+nxK No.6205100 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204974
>anything cat did was "the best thing on the ppv"

Cat sucked. Don't let nostalga blind you on that fact. He was not good, cut the same exact promos every week. And I mean SAME. EXACT. PROMOS.

The only time he looked good was when he was in a feud with Buff, and that's because Buff was a turbo geek.
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Gorgeous George - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:41:35 EST ID:MYLVlk8q No.6205108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6204653
The Internet means you can see more and deeper into other people's shit. There's no hiding from the all-seeing eye anymore.
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Tony Chimel - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:49:49 EST ID:Qytrojse No.6205115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203670
> Zack Sabre Jr. beat Tomohiro Ishii in 11:35 to win the British heavyweight title. ****1/4
>That poor excuse of technical wrestling being anywhere over two stars

What match was Dave watching? All I saw was Zack throwing really slow and sloppy kicks, and having Ishii get into position for him to "grapple". Even the guys at the bar watching with me at BWW thought that match was the weakest one they showed on AXS TV last Friday.

When you have people think you're faker than the fakest wrestler, there is a problem. Those guys liked Ibushi, Ospreay, SANADA, and White, but kept shitting on Lanky Cunt Jr.
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The Gobbledy Gooker - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 19:59:37 EST ID:Ie9XFqD9 No.6205180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6205115
yes yes yes yes we get it.
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C.W. Anderson - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:33:35 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6205205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
205 Live is back on Tuesday nights after Smackdown

https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/wwe-205-live-moving-back-tuesdays-274446
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Mark Haskins - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:37:16 EST ID:FO9lKfKL No.6205208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205205
WWE are so fucking retarded with this it's unbelievable.

Sure there were some reports out there that the crowds for 205 were a lot better when it was taped before SmackDown, but now it'll be going back to be the third hour of SmackDown in front of a completely dead crowd.

Will they move it to Fridays when SD does the same, or keep it on Tuesdays?
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Glacier - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:39:10 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6205209 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205115
you forgot to mention diaper, skeleton and commie to really get the full house, better luck next time
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:45:51 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6205211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Krazy K - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:50:01 EST ID:IUAH7GB7 No.6205216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205211
I had way too easy a time reading this and am wondering if it's the weed.
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Rorschach - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:45:25 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6205243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205211
>not using ROT13
VFULTQQG
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Mass Transit - Sun, 13 Jan 2019 22:37:41 EST ID:ZuyvBmv+ No.6205271 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205216
Dysisgoodshitlexia
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Bushwhacker Luke - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 08:30:05 EST ID:Qytrojse No.6205439 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205209
Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone on /wooo/ uses buzzwords to show dislike of something.
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Antonio Honda - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:18:16 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6205557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203674
>I could see him being popped for roids
>Popped for roids in a country where steroids are legal
>Popped for roids in a company with a body building contest that is sponsored by steroids
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Michael Tarver - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:10:25 EST ID:cE+DG4FN No.6205597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205557
Maybe it's just a jumbled up version about Rush's bacne from his steroids popping and then he'd be unable to wrestle for a bit because there's so much yuck pouring out
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Kimona Wanaleya - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:19:35 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6205602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>A WWE source said over the weekend that the report of Sullivan having an anxiety attack is indeed true as management tried to help him through the issues. Sullivan though has not been in contact with management since last week.

>Prior to Sullivan’s no-shows, WWE planned on having Sullivan face John Cena at WrestleMania 35. According to the source, WWE planned on having Sullivan make his television debut next Monday on Raw in some sort of pre-taped, non-wrestling segment to kick off his storyline with Cena. However, with his continued absence and lack of communication with WWE, that segment is now in “serious jeopardy” and his scheduled match with Cena at WrestleMania is also up in the air.

>According to the source, Vince McMahon is extremely unhappy at this turn of events and the heat is falling on Triple H, who reportedly pushed for Sullivan’s promotion to the main roster and advocated for his impending mega push.

>There’s no word yet on whether Sullivan will be at Raw tonight in Memphis, Tennessee and/or SmackDown LIVE tomorrow night in Birmingham, Alabama. Both F4WOnline.com and PWInsider.com noted over the weekend that fellow NXT call-ups EC3, Lacey Evans, Nikki Cross, and Heavy Machinery are all scheduled to be at Raw and SmackDown LIVE, but they hadn’t heard anything about Sullivan.
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C.W. Anderson - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:25:43 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6205605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205602
there goes his push
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Richie Steamboat - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:32:45 EST ID:b/6yrda6 No.6205610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205605
Shame. I really liked Sullivan but him not calling them is the anxiety which makes it worse which makes his anxiety worse.
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Harley Race - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:34:44 EST ID:Z0RH+kYg No.6205612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205602
Another Triple H failure
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Greg Gagne - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:41:20 EST ID:LUMg+nxK No.6205615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205602
pulling for Thicci Nikki and Otis. Lars can fuck off.
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Ranjin Singh - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:46:24 EST ID:Iks0t/A1 No.6205619 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205605
irony
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Gree Ant - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:51:49 EST ID:THYFZ44J No.6205623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6205602
>However, with his continued absence and lack of communication with WWE, that segment is now in “serious jeopardy” and his scheduled match with Cena at WrestleMania is also up in the air.

If I was a monster and I was told I'd be facing John Cena at Wrestlemania, I'd be anxious too. Not many of their careers have benefitted from a Mania bout with BMJ.

On the plus side though, that means we get more Cena-in-the-crowd segments at the next Mania.
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Ranjin Singh - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:54:49 EST ID:Iks0t/A1 No.6205625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205612
can someone post the copypasta about how Triple H's whole career is based on racism?
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Kimona Wanaleya - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:09:21 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6205663 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>During his recent podcast, Jerry Lawler talked about his status with WWE:

>“My contract is up every year on January 10. On the 8th, I hadn’t heard a word. I sent a text to Kevin Dunn and said, ‘My contract is up the day after tomorrow. I just want to know where we stood.’ The very next day, I got a new contract in the mail. Not only one year, but a two-year deal. With a raise!”

>“The Royal Rumble is coming up. They sent me a text message and I am going to be calling the men’s Royal Rumble. Me, Michael Cole and JBL.”

M A G G L E !
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C.W. Anderson - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:15:24 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6205670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205663
why
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Jeremy Borash - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:47:12 EST ID:eDrZOnwH No.6205679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205663
I'm fine with Lawler calling the Rumble, but why bring back JBL?
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Greg Iron - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:49:39 EST ID:a600dGtz No.6205683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205663
If they let him play heel, Jerry is fine.
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Brian Gewirtz - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:13:49 EST ID:DQyWf1wt No.6205698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205670
because AEW
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David Otunga - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:31:02 EST ID:OptfWXyB No.6205706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205679
Probably to get him to shut up about suffering from memory loss.
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Repo Man - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:33:45 EST ID:aCFKeUmN No.6205707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205663
>King, Cole and JBL
They just were not content with Steph shitting it up last year
>King and JBL might be in the Rumble match again
Fuck me silly
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Hamuko Hoshi - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:41:13 EST ID:Dd5RpnEQ No.6205717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6205602
>5 stars lars was poised to face BMJ at WM35 after getting a monster push
>tfw he sperged out just before his debut and might have ended up sperging out so hard that he never sees any meaningful time in the wwe ever again
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Psicosis - Mon, 14 Jan 2019 22:12:09 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6205840 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Variety is reporting that long time NBC Universal head Bonnie Hammer is being promoted and taking on a new role in the NBCU empire. Hammer will be in charge the company's new streaming service, which is set to open next year. Her official title will be Chairman of Direct-to-Consumer and Digital Enterprises for NBCU.

>Hammer has been a close ally of WWE during its run on the USA Network.

>It's also interesting to note that the Comcast owned NBCU is now venturing into streaming as they started out as a cable company first. They have always made wise decisions to reflect changing times and with people cutting the cable cord more and more, it's a wise move on their part. The new NBC app will be free to existing pay cable customers, meaning that you can get NBC content on more than just your TV and a free subscription as part of the cable you pay for.

She will be replaced by Mark Lazarus, who has a long history in the NBC empire as well as being the former President of Turner Entertainment Group.

>It will be interesting to see if Hammer leaving her current role has any affect on NBCU's relationship with WWE
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British Bulldog - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:22:14 EST ID:l4fvrZMx No.6205916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203897
> tfw Still no gifs of Dana post-match reaction to Ronda’s mania match
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Allison Wonderland - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 01:46:57 EST ID:bMIOqUtD No.6205933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205205
>the post deals with 205
Like poetry
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Sonny Onoo - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 01:50:52 EST ID:3bcYReOH No.6205934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6205625
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Sting - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 02:11:04 EST ID:IdOCllk4 No.6205939 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Oz - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 03:26:17 EST ID:iLe2GkB4 No.6205949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205939
is it wrong if I thought for a second that the girl in the middle was Tanahashi?
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Tadasuke - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:04:51 EST ID:BA/xzZGU No.6205955 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205949
g-Go Ace~!
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Meng - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:02:25 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6205965 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>WOR: Braun vs Lesnar was never planned to happen
>The plan was Finn vs Lesnar the whole time
Well Uhhh, plans don't always change, I was just wrong this time
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Abraham Washington - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:00:22 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6206031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205965
Even SquaredCircle with their anti-meltzer group didn't twist his words this badly, lmao. Quit being such a bitter retard over Meltzer. Anyways, what actually was said

>Brock Lesnar vs. Finn Bálor has for a long while been the plan for RR, no injury angle for Braun whatsoever that caused him to get pulled from the match.
>The situation dates back to Crown Jewel (which is now WWE World Cup), Baron Corbin interfered in the Lesnar vs. Strowman match, which would have eventually set up their rematch at RR.
>Vince started to think about it, and at some point he would think “What do we do?”. The idea then was for Brock to get over Strowman in RR, which will setup Brock vs. Rollins at WM.
>At one point, Vince felt that this isnt a good idea because (1) Strowman just lost -> cooling off, (2) the injury hurts him/his build to Lesnar rematch. So - letting Lesnar beat Strowman again is bad idea, fuck finish is bad idea, Strowman winning the title is not in the card.
>By then, there’s not a lot of choice on the babyface side on RAW. The top choice was Balor, and in fact Lesnar has been wanting to work with Balor for a year, which dated back to the “OVER” Twitter period for Balor. Lesnar has always wanted to do programs with agile guys like AJ, Bryan, and now Balor, because powerhouse vs powerhouse is always a bad match iho.
>Not sure if Strowman’s elbow is cleared.
>It seems that WWE used a “bait and switch” tactics here, as they have been advertising Lesnar vs Strowman for weeks to sell tickets, and now they jump to Balor.
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Mistico - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:16:20 EST ID:/MbddUSy No.6206035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOQoYx3bdhM
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Meng - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:18:56 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6206036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206031
  1. I subscribe to the observer, I posted that 3 minutes after WOR came out.
  2. Meltz had been talking about Braun vs Lesnar the whole time and never once mentioned it was never the angle.
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Meng - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:19:45 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6206038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206036
The whole time meaning the past weeks*
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Reckless Youth - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:20:37 EST ID:iNnC4hm7 No.6206039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206031
The mental gymnastics here is amazing. Unintentionally hilarious.
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Abraham Washington - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:25:37 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6206041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206039
>I'll call it mental gymnastics so I can still shitpost!
>>6206036
>I subscribe to the observer, I can't be wrong
gr8 arguments, /woo/
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Nanae Takahashi - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:44:36 EST ID:3l0zEWVt No.6206044 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don’t understand why wrestling fans are so fucking retarded when it comes to journalism. Journalists are not magicians, they get bad scoops every now and then, at the very least. In major sports, it can be way worse, just look at how many transfer rumors turn out to be bullshit in soccer.

But no, we gotta take down the evil Meltzer and keep having this same idiotic discussion. Because, as we all know, plans never do change in wrestling, not for any silly reason like injuries, crowd reactions, buyrates or even a booker changing his mind, right? This shit narrative is old, guys. It’s always the same song and dance, and it’s just boring now. Nb.
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Meng - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:48:28 EST ID:fBXvGn4d No.6206045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206041
How can I hate meltzer when I fucking give him my money monthly?
Besides you just stole something from squaredcircle anyway, how do I know you listened to WOR?
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Krazy K - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:22:36 EST ID:a600dGtz No.6206069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A few years ago we were laughing at TNAMecca for it's cult-like obsession with proving that Meltzer is a fraud, and yet now it's just accepted normal behaviour to be an unhinged retard like that.
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Brooklyn Brawler - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:30:56 EST ID:lklAJQyB No.6206074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206044
It's a hold over from gamer gate and the Donald. They all use the same language. Does it surprised you that a bunch of basement selling alt right shitheads like wrestling?
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Stinky the Homeless Guy - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:41:25 EST ID:aQ6riWEV No.6206080 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206044
>I don’t understand why wrestling fans are so fucking retarded
You don't?
>wrestling fans
There ya go
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Okada - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:43:09 EST ID:GiNnCKtn No.6206082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206074
>alt right wrestling fans are avid property renovators who sell basements to everyone
Makes sense I guess
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Ahmed Johnson - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:05:22 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6206097 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205939
Is that Peter without a mask?
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Alex Riley - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:12:22 EST ID:FDPlQwWq No.6206101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206074
I wanted to wait for an unpopular opinions thread, but yeah it the recent years I've noticed a very similar pattern in wrestling fans and those folks. Anti Meltzer stuff and general hatred for journalism is one that sticks out, and the other big one is depending on which site you use, the way people talk about WWE. For here it is anti WWE and people post almost the exact same as the places you mentioned. It's that same angry incel like behavior towards things you don't like or stopped catering to you.
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Blackjack Lanza - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:15:36 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6206104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206101
>For here it is anti WWE and people post almost the exact same as the places you mentioned. It's that same angry incel like behavior towards things you don't like or stopped catering to you
This is genuinely the dumbest fucking thing I've seen this week and we've had a mod literally encourage racist shitposting and a guy attack the integrity of wrestling star ratings
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Ahmed Johnson - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:18:10 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6206106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206104
>we've had a mod literally encourage racist shitposting
Go back to tumblr if you dont even know what literally means.
"H-HE WAS ENCOURAGING RACIST SHITPOSTING BY DELETING RACIST SHITPOSTING!!! LITERALLY!"
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Blackjack Lanza - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:21:02 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6206107 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206106
deleting the stuff that's fine that isn't the shitposting along with it literally only encourages people to make racist shitposts in reply to shit they don't want discussed
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Jonathan Barber - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:24:48 EST ID:K2TvKRpi No.6206109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206106
no, the mod was deleting any *mention* at all of the news about a wrestler being racist, basically trying to bury the story and then when they were called out on it pretending that there was a rule about posting old news and then claimed that even talking about racism was "political discussion" so deleted every single mention of people calling Sullivan out for it.

It's dodgy as fuck and wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some of the mod team were alt righters
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Violent J - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:28:54 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6206110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206106
Shitting on Nazis used to be 420chan tradition, now you can't even mention one because the manchildren who migrated over from 4chins get triggered
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Alex Riley - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:30:42 EST ID:FDPlQwWq No.6206111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206104
The way you responded kinda proves my point friend
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Blackjack Lanza - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:35:47 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6206116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206111
You're right man, the people that hate a company headed by a family that have given money to and actually have a family member in his administration are the REAL gamer gaters and alt righters
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Jonathan Barber - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:36:29 EST ID:K2TvKRpi No.6206117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206110
>Shitting on Nazis used to be 420chan tradition,

fucking this. We're not allowed to do it now because it's classified as "political", like "guys stop having a go at nazis, they're entitled to their opinion,"

Nah. Sullivan said nazi shit and deserves to be called out for it and WWE, the company that claims to be all progressive and nice, should be called out for letting him get away without even mentioning it.
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Stacy Keibler - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:47:11 EST ID:7qC7vcaL No.6206121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206074
>everyone I disagree with is alt right

Corruption is a natural part of industry journalism, people either looking for clicks or jobs/perks down the line. This isn't a political position it's reality.

That said Meltzer's trustworthy, he's too old school and autistic to willfully lie. But when you're dealing with a carny business full of bullshit and people with their own agendas, including a madman who will change his mind mid show running the biggest company in the world, things will be wrong from time to time.
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Jonathan Barber - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:47:51 EST ID:K2TvKRpi No.6206123 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206101
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Alex Riley - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:51:23 EST ID:FDPlQwWq No.6206124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206116
You misunderstand, it doesn't matter if you're correct or not, the point is the way people, and yourself I am assuming, respond to anything about WWE comes off the same as robots/gamer gaters/pol. It is very hostile and filled with this sense of a performing a righteous cause when you're just talking rasslin.
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Blackjack Lanza - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:54:25 EST ID:ZDnvGHyN No.6206126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206124
I understood perfectly, you're just trying to pull the both sides card and it doesn't work
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Primo - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:03:39 EST ID:2J5VXIBY No.6206132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206035
Dave Meltzer on binary: "I think there might be one. There's either one or there's zero. I don't know."
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Mad Man Pondo - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:12:30 EST ID:50s7N3fT No.6206135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6205840
2 hour RAWs on NBC when?
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Brian Adams - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:21:44 EST ID:gJOPxW8a No.6206142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206132
>That'll be $11.99 a month, please.
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Sin Cara - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:11:26 EST ID:7yl8ZlEd No.6206165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206142
He's never once said this. It's not even funny.
Plus, Vince does change his mind ALL the time. Anyone watching WWE for more than 10 years knows this.
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Ahmed Johnson - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:21:37 EST ID:mCo62Zdl No.6206172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206035
Looks like the uploader put up advertising and some additional DRM, what the fuck.
Also nice comments.
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Abraham Washington - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:23:46 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6206232 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206165
Wrestlers themselves have confirmed that much as well. Raw is constantly rewritten, sometimes just hours before the show goes on the air.

One very obvious example of this is pic related. They had pretaped segments with Jonah Hill during the era of Raw having guest hosts. Jonah Hill was clearly advertised to be on an episode of Raw, but due to rewrites of the episode, his pretaped segments were taken off the show, and he never appeared.
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Brian Adams - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 17:46:50 EST ID:bJnaUwwk No.6206280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206123
Jayonaise sounds like a black guy name.
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Brodie Lee - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:39:48 EST ID:Jq9kpJZ4 No.6206292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203741
>I wouldn't be shocked if Rush dumps CMLL to work the USA
WINNAR WINNAR CHIKKUN DINNAR
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Godiva - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 21:43:08 EST ID:amCRzvRc No.6206484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6203661
>Talk Is Jericho w/ MUSTAFA ALI is om Spotify/iTunes/etc
I just checked this out and while not finished I think its a great listen.
Ali talks about getting bounced around, d-bry, backstage shit, and lots of other interesting stuff.
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Truth Martini - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:12:25 EST ID:K20kw6yS No.6206509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206035
I find the random third-world street footage (India?) in this interesting
at 10:00 ors o a woman throws some shit in a bag out in the empty dirt construction lot and a dog comes out to eat it
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Big Daddy V - Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:20:17 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6206545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206292
without Park at his side there are no winners
;_;
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Rosita - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:20:49 EST ID:l4fvrZMx No.6206595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206484
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gFMYj4FFX7o
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Booker T - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:47:21 EST ID:TGlo5uD9 No.6206918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>The absolute state of Bryan in that Cactus Jack rant on the Retro show
What an absolute tool.
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USApe - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:38:18 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6206968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206918
Just about to post that. I seriously have no clue what in the fuck Bryan wants. He complains non-stop about heels looking too strong, but then is always bitching about Hatch looking a fool.
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Juventud Guerrera - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:46:17 EST ID:ECPVV2LS No.6206974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206918
He hams it up because being angry and ranting is his gimmick. You could tell as soon as they made him realize he’s an idiot he just moved on.
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Big Boss Man - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:22:09 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6206993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6206918
I just listened to this and my first thought was that Bryan may be just as autistic as Dave
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Kaz Hayashi - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:37:44 EST ID:JVTNC8tV No.6207010 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6206968
It's a gimmick brah.
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Kristal - Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:10:05 EST ID:l4fvrZMx No.6207033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6207010
yeah..... a gimmick....


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