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Star Trek: State of the Franchise Address Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Guinan - Fri, 03 May 2019 02:53:08 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.67374
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For many of us here, Star Trek has been a defining part of who we are. And I think that's why it's been so hard lately, because it feels like over the past few years, since the end of TNG and DS9, it has drifted from its pinnacle of glory to something withered and sapped of its original spirit. Since the end of Enterprise especially, something seems to have fundamentally changed. And that is because it has.

You see, the company that owned Star Trek decided to split into two companies because the old man who ran it was old and thought it was a great idea for some reason. In this sudden corporate mitosis, Star Trek ended up in the possession of a company which once spurned it in favor of Lost in Space, CBS.. and CBS had no interest in making new Star Trek, but indeed enjoyed the fruits of its merchandising sales. But there remained executives at Paramount who saw the value of Star Trek even if they understood none of its philosophical values or substance, and though they could not truly comprehend what Star Trek was and what it meant, they yearned once more to profit from it. And so a deal was made, a deal which would hammer nail after nail into the coffin of our beloved franchise. It was a devil's bargain, for as it stands today, it seems to have irreversibly damaged the future of star trek, and in turn perhaps the future of us all. After all, Star Trek inspired us to go to the moon, it gave birth to the cell phone and the personal computer, it dreamed of the tablet and the laptop long before they could be reality. But most importantly of all, Star Trek gave us a vision that was not technical at all, a better future for everyone, and though it's a future that comes at great cost and only at the end of terrible wars. Star Trek carried the promise of hope, that whatever we cannot overcome with the power of technology and innovation, we can solve with the better angels of our nature. And it showed us that even in the dark unknown, even the most alien being, the Other, is ultimately much like us. There's a unifying and overwhelmingly inspiring power to the underlying promise of Star Trek, or perhaps it may be more prudent to say that there was.

Things have fundamentally changed because in this new agreement between Paramount and CBS, once one and the same, is built around the protection of merchandising rights for CBS on all the media that WE would actually consider Star Trek. CBS so greedily protects its revenue from the sales of DVDs, tribble slippers, shitty low grade action figures, shat hats, etc. that it went out of its way to destroy the production of the fan film known as Axanar. For those of you unfamiliar with this, I suggest you familiarize yourself. Suffice it to say, this fan film had used the kickstarter model and built up an impressive sum of money from trekkies like you and I, had netted a bunch of actual trek actors, and looked to be perhaps actually what we could call Trek. So CBS feared it. And CBS destroyed it. And in the process they imposed absurdly draconian rules on anyone who wanted to make a trek fan film and not get the shit sued out of them.

The end result of this mixture of paranoia and avarice on the part of CBS painted its attitude toward the deal which they struck with Paramount to make nuTrek 1, nuTrek:in darkness, and nuTrek Beyond, and all other properties, Discovery, and all the shitty cartoons they are about to unleash upon us. All these new shows are built on this contract, and the contract states that any new star trek cannot be too much like the old star trek. Or else.

Let me type that again just so it sinks in. They are contractually obligated to be sufficiently different from Star Trek.

And I am talking everything from uniform design to the way the ships look. I'm also talking about thematics, character development and the way stories are told. If they stray and make something TOO much like Star Trek that has already been made prior to the corporate mitosis event, then they risk being challenged in court under the terms of their contract for all their fucking DVD sales.

I want you all to be viscerally aware of this as the news of this new Picard show trickles out. I wouldn't be surprised if once again our tiny imageboard became inundated with astroturfed shills as it did in the weeks following the release of Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness. It didn't really seem like they gave a shit for us for STD but p…
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Prophet - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 20:55:55 EST ID:8Tu6WKEq No.67801 Ignore Report Reply
This is kind of shallow, but I wish the choreography in Trek was better. Like when they're fighting, or when they're just shaking around (the ship is being shot, etc.). Same with Star Wars IV, V, and VI. Someone redid the fight between Vader and Obi-Wan in IV. It was pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2SMng4u1k
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I.G. Keval - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:49:36 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67814 Ignore Report Reply
>>67801
I like the theory of that, but in practice it blows the "shit just got real" aspect of Empire's fight when Vader starts tossing things around.
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Subaltern Lorot - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 19:26:55 EST ID:LxgWfzNu No.67815 Ignore Report Reply
>>67814
Yeah the fights in the original 3 were more symbolic and about the characters than exercises in technical choroegraphy. The first part of the fight was really good but that's a bit of a "jumping the shark" moment where it turns into SFX ballet and it just drags. If Vader had hurled the barrels than then just crushed him a few seconds later that'd be badass it'd show that he was just toying with Kenobi and underline what the scene depicts. Which is Kenobi is outclassed and weak and Vader is still strong... but then it keeps going and going. And it doesn't add anything, it's just sci fi ballet filler. This happens a lot on the bad star wars too. That fight scene in episode 1 that's 3 years long.

I think I was told about tension ideally following a curve that goes up until near the end, peaks then falls away. With each scene following this and the overall curve of a film or book or game also following it. Having a huge plateau actually makes it worse.

It's not the length it's just the large padding that does nothing. The choreography is good but they could have cut half that scene out and it'd be better.


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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:52:13 EST ID:vBMrFUeP No.64230
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Continuing from the previous thread >>53706, bump when watching Star Trek.

If ya smell what Tsunkatse is cookin’
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James T Kirk - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:45:02 EST ID:EJatfNfq No.67811 Ignore Report Reply
>>67807
chakotay?
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Sphere Builder - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:12:58 EST ID:VpKCGFq6 No.67812 Ignore Report Reply
>>67811
The creation of Chipotle's character waa informed by the fake info given by Jamake. Pretty funny in hindsight.
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I.G. Keval - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:46:33 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67813 Ignore Report Reply
>>67812
I like Chipotle being some random pastiche of crap, it fits with "Hikaru Sulu from, uhh.... Asian"
They needed to do that with everyone, like Trip is still Florida Man but he sometimes says Midwest shit like "oh yeah doncha know"


Time travelling Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Jake Sisko - Sat, 04 May 2019 03:45:55 EST ID:9+pMo53Q No.67395
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So how does it work in Star Trek? I honestly think the writers use this plot device a little too much...
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Captain Braxton - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 07:19:36 EST ID:jQ0x/LFc No.67707 Ignore Report Reply
>>67706
Never understand time, dumb ass.
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Dr. Mora Pol - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:47:36 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.67708 Ignore Report Reply
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Timelines change but to the people themselves because the time machine is a quantum jump to another, an addition to the other person's own time. It might only be small if it's through a limited number of the person(s).
In one of my tales, I quantum leaped to Jesus and was at a distance in a crowd but I couldn't handle him trying to find me, I left. I was still young at this stage.
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Spot - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 22:21:25 EST ID:SbZpk7C6 No.67810 Ignore Report Reply
>>67706
Space... the final frontier


Rascals Episode 2: Wesley's Revenge Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Guinan - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 02:39:11 EST ID:sehZ/Igr No.55667
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Guys, it finally happened. 4 years, 2 months, 15 days, 18 hours, 32 minutes and 19 seconds after it was first created, the rascals thread has sunk into the dark abyss where only netjester can roam.

RIP in peace creepy thread.
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Guinan - Tue, 28 May 2019 20:02:50 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.67684 Ignore Report Reply
>>67680
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Happy Rascals Day my negritos
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Private W Woods - Fri, 31 May 2019 20:24:30 EST ID:04/ANl0S No.67690 Ignore Report Reply
Good rid6
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Spot - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 22:18:22 EST ID:SbZpk7C6 No.67809 Ignore Report Reply
>>58768
*knock*FBI..eh... Section 31 ! Open up!


Did anyone actually watch/like Babylon 5? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Herbert Rossoff - Mon, 14 May 2018 12:13:30 EST ID:NSyoVkIK No.64546
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I know this is a Star Trek board. But I see this series brought up often here and I did myself try to watch it. I'm not one of those "durr only Star Trek" people- I like a good *story.* Wherever is comes from.

More to the point- did anyone actually watch Babylon 5? I seriously tried to but the acting is so bad. And the production value and CGI so terrible that it was at times for me unwatchable. The story that I've read in the past on the various Wiki entries and what not make the Shadow Conflict thing seem interesting! But watching it appears to be such a god dam slog that I cannot bring myself to watch all of it...
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Vash - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 02:27:40 EST ID:pX/5pmGF No.67802 Ignore Report Reply
>>67783
>>67784
>>67799

Shut up you fucking car commercial nerds.
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Guinan - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:30:25 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.67803 Ignore Report Reply
>>64546
Each time I read the words 'full stop' in this thread I heard screeching tires
Is that happening for anyone else or is that just the felicium?
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Tavek - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:41:47 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67805 Ignore Report Reply
>>67803
they're cg tires though


Happy Arbour Day. Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Groundskeeper Boothby - Sun, 22 Jul 2018 00:15:44 EST ID:e2Juqy0R No.65279
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Epic first thread stopped bumping so...

The Comic-con trailer for season 2 is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavy7qZ1aoo

>The Orville season 2 kicks off with a two hour season premiere on December 30 at 8pm EDT on Fox.

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Guinan - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 02:22:45 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.67779 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67774
>>67769
>>67752
>>67750
>>67746
>>67745

Y'all are talking like there aren't an infinite number of infinities increasing infinitely throughout the finite fractral universe universe
Y'all Need Mescaline
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Admiral Owen Paris - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:16:54 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.67795 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67779
Sounds like it's all turning into an episode of Future Man.
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Lee - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:06:13 EST ID:4xG8xdJJ No.67798 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67795
That scene reminded me of this


Star Trek Discovery General Ignore Report View Thread Reply
James Randi - Mon, 01 Apr 2019 11:51:39 EST ID:Skwb3B8f No.66908
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Season two is pretty cool so far.

Is that bald section 31 dude (forget his name) now the first borg?

Do you like disco, do you hate it, why?

Every star trek since TOS was initially met with huge fan hate for a season or two then eventually accepted.
I say give Disco a few more seasons to shape up.

Biggest difference I feel between DISCO and other series other than the obvious visual style is that they are trying very hard to tap into the popular "game of thrones" formula, endless ingruige and mystery and possible betrayal all happening at once on top of each other.
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Marla Gilmore - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:25:13 EST ID:FZnEMFRU No.67791 Ignore Report Reply
>>67786
Wait are we not talking about the voy ep? Or was the that one with the autist the hypochondriac and the woman called something different?
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Michael Eddington - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:20:57 EST ID:oDV8iW5L No.67792 Ignore Report Reply
>>67791
He's referring to the recently announced Star Trek: Lower Decks TV show which follows the WACKY FUN FILLED ADVENTURES OF LESSER CREWMEN ABOARD A STARSHIP HYUCK HYUCK
Its gunna suck
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Borg Queen - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 02:34:29 EST ID:5SVJcPG+ No.67796 Ignore Report Reply
>>67791
see
>>67766


best show ever Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Autistic Trekkie - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 23:23:27 EST ID:jsAleEaU No.67702
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ecterminate exterminate ooooohweeeewoooo
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swannin aff - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 18:28:27 EST ID:n1IfGKcn No.67722 Ignore Report Reply
>>67713
i think he is taking the piss and knows nothing about it. Sylvester McCoy was a good actor tho.
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Admiral Hayes - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 12:44:47 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67734 Ignore Report Reply
>>67713
radiator gimps are serious business broham
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Iliana Ghemor - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:12:33 EST ID:BIw1HvBc No.67754 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67734
Except the original incarnation is the only one that holds true to the concept. Actually I think that's the second one, but I know for a fact it's the last one where they appeared this way.

Cybermen were originally inspired by experimental heart transplants. The what-if that followed was ALL ORGANS plus the lower functions of the brain and just enough of the higher functions to make them robotic while retaining the capacity to be absolutely maniacal.

So the original incarnations were dudes in surgical bandages with salad bowls and some conduits on the top of their heads, plugged into a big life support pack.
The later incarnations are squishy inside/metal outside. Which actually makes sense as an evolutionary step. What doesn't make sense about the later versions is that their secret weakness is gold. For some reason, because gold is "incorruptible" in that it doesn't corrode and cybermen are a corruption of humanity, shooting them with gold FUCKING KILLS THEM, instead of plating them with a veneer of sheer fabulousness.
While that whole thing is thematically all there.... Logically?

It's a

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NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Fucking walk.


RED ALERT Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Guinan - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:45:24 EST ID:2tDXGqS3 No.64959
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Something is happening guys.. There's something happening to the timeline, I feel it...

Picard.. Picard.. is... RETURNING?????

http://comicbook.com/startrek/2018/06/19/patrick-stewart-picard-star-trek-reboot/
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/news/a859842/star-trek-patrick-stewart-returning-new-series-picard/


This is.. weird.. is.. is it finally happening? Are we getting post nemesis trek? DID CBS FINALLY GIVE US WHAT WE WANT!?

AHHHHHHHH


HELP ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FEEL SOMEONE ELSE WATCH THE BAR
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Chulak - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:47:03 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.67741 Ignore Report Reply
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>>65384
Woah, hold up. I know I'm late to the party, but Stalker is fantastic and a master class in pacing. Absolutely every element mimics the eerie crawl of the three main characters through such a bizarre landscape. From the slow, lumbering camera movement and minimalist sound design to the drawn out philosophical discussions, it all adds to a sense of extreme caution almost to the point of reverence. When the climax finally comes, the Stalker's speech about personal retribution in such a wretched place hits you like a fucking freight train. 10/10 acting. Then, just when you think the emotional arc is fading to a close, his wife gives a brilliant monologue that leaves any thinking, feeling person in shambles.

It's really more of an elaborate stage play than a movie, something I think all Trek fans should highly appreciate. Unlike Star Trek, however, sci-fi technobabble takes a back seat to the immense psychological strain such strange situations would place on humans, but that makes it all the more thrilling. No deus ex machina or Mary Sues to save you from the depravity of modern humanity. A proper Shakespearean tragedy.
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Nava - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:58:06 EST ID:60zgf9Xq No.67749 Ignore Report Reply
>>67741
is that based on the games?
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Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:16:06 EST ID:/Gs0AEjp No.67755 Ignore Report Reply
>>67749
The games and movie are both loosely based on a book called "Roadside Picnic". The book came out in 1972 and the movie in 1979.


Meta season ranking Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Captain Kargan - Sun, 26 May 2019 19:17:01 EST ID:qquiJrY6 No.67661
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Here's an idea: rank every season of Trek across all shows, with an explanation why for each. Include TAS, STD and ORV or not as you wish. Here's them all for reference. I'll post mine in a bit as well.

TOS S1
TOS S2
TOS S3

TAS S1
TAS S2

TNG S1
TNG S2
TNG S3
TNG S4
TNG S5
TNG S6
TNG S7

DS9 S1
DS9 S2
DS9 S3
DS9 S4
DS9 S5
DS9 S6
DS9 S7

VOY S1
VOY S2
VOY S3
VOY S4
VOY S5
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Christine Chapel - Mon, 27 May 2019 01:11:54 EST ID:VTqhVSCv No.67664 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67661

TOS S1 Help!
TOS S2 Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Heart's Club Band
TOS S3 Abbey Road

TNG S1 The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
TNG S2 Ummagumma
TNG S3 Meddle
TNG S4 The Dark Side of the Moon
TNG S5 Wish You Were Here
TNG S6 Animals
TNG S7 The Division Bell

DS9 S1 Led Zeppelin I
DS9 S2 Led Zeppelin II
DS9 S3 Led Zeppelin III
DS9 S4 IV
DS9 S5 Houses of the Holy
DS9 S6 Presence
DS9 S7 In Through the Out Door
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Lt. JG Ayala - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 06:47:35 EST ID:EfWKHdKQ No.67729 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67664
No star trek canon or the movies? What's ORV?
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Lt. JG Ayala - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 06:48:59 EST ID:EfWKHdKQ No.67730 Ignore Report Reply
>>67729
Oppps... No star trek cartoons?


The Stank Code Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Ensign Vorik - Tue, 14 May 2019 20:01:03 EST ID:8Tu6WKEq No.67515
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The stank code is 1701. Don't tell anybody. Don't bump this thread.
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Wesley Crusher - Tue, 14 May 2019 23:19:49 EST ID:oDV8iW5L No.67520 Ignore Report Reply
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Yes sir
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Captain Rixx - Sat, 25 May 2019 18:37:13 EST ID:zPVt3sSs No.67648 Ignore Report Reply
Lock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPphyjkXnPc
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Lt. JG Ayala - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 06:43:28 EST ID:EfWKHdKQ No.67728 Ignore Report Reply
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*sigh*


ITT: Characters you hate Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Broca - Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:49:09 EST ID:jYqIDab0 No.66721
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Rewatched Paradise recently, this hypocritical bitch is the worst. She's willing to let people die, falsely imprison them, etc all to keep her low tech dystopia going, which would never have started without technology she helped develop. The Star Trek equivalent of a militant vegan who eats GMO soy
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Elim Garak - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 23:02:35 EST ID:LV2BRN1/ No.67710 Ignore Report Reply
>>66721

Seconded
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Elim Garak - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 23:06:03 EST ID:LV2BRN1/ No.67711 Ignore Report Reply
>>66731
Worf in every single DS9 episode except for 'By Inferno's Light' and 'Rules of Engagement'
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Castellan Garak - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 23:10:38 EST ID:LV2BRN1/ No.67712 Ignore Report Reply
>>67513
Castellan Garak


did you ever look at an star trek ep and think: hey that's a pretty good star trek ep Ignore Report View Thread Reply
thread portfolio - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 06:16:40 EST ID:qZV/Tn5G No.66759
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if so what was the star trek ep
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Jennifer Sisko - Sat, 25 May 2019 19:33:23 EST ID:cuwClnIs No.67654 Ignore Report Reply
>>67652
>TFW when there is a giant eternal Spock clone inside a planet

That episode mang. It just breaks your brain.

I felt like it was hit and miss. I think it was saddled with the baggage that the medium of cartoons carried in most of the west at that time and that's responsible for most of the "miss". One one hand Shatner does not take to voice acting, on the other Larry Niven wrote an episode.
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Erika Benteen - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:52:08 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67657 Ignore Report Reply
>>67654
yeah it's by no means a great thing but it's a lot less awful than I expected going into it
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Thot Pran - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 03:00:13 EST ID:WVeGGjEH No.67698 Ignore Report Reply
>>66759

Going through DS9 for the first time (I know, I was late to the Star Trek party) and just watched S7, "Laas". Was a pretty good star trek ep


Food and drink thread Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Vedek Bareil - Fri, 17 May 2019 13:16:31 EST ID:lYrQ3S+c No.67552
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What food or drink from trek would you most like to try?
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Burt Ryan - Mon, 27 May 2019 12:17:29 EST ID:cuwClnIs No.67668 Ignore Report Reply
>>67666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX1PozJfVrc&t=5m30s
>when the prune juice has worn off

>You have to understand, drugs can make you feel good. They make you feel on top of the world. You're happy, sure of yourself, in control. - Tasha Yar
Stimlust would also explain a lot. Trek is holonovels really and Riker/Troi/Kirk fucked aliums but the sexiness was overstated on the show. It was just a warm hole and a novel experience they glossed it up later.
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Lorian - Mon, 27 May 2019 17:43:58 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67670 Ignore Report Reply
>>67666
coffee became trendy and popular in new ways with the growth Starbucks-style coffee shops
just like how retro lounge music being trendy meant Vic
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Guinan - Tue, 28 May 2019 13:23:18 EST ID:ndGosVGz No.67678 Ignore Report Reply
>>67670
Fun fact, Starbucks actually realized that small town coffee shops and their stores have a mutually beneficial relationship. The existence and proximity of one increases the sales of both. Since this has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread or trek nbnb means no bump you silly


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