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I'm just gonna say it.

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- Sat, 06 Feb 2021 15:00:33 EST stjV3a83 No.71194
File: 1612641633670.jpg -(42712B / 41.71KB, 300x345) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I'm just gonna say it.
I don't care for ToS. Outside of a handful of episodes I find it unwatchable bad. I've never even seen 2/3rds of it because whenever I get the inclination to watch some, after 1-2 eps I just give up.
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Yeggie - Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:41:55 EST TTcXb8JG No.71242 Reply
I think it also varied by market too which can make it weird. Some places got it as more of a cheap 70s licensed show.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:40:51 EST BANSMj19 No.71254 Reply
I would agree that a lot of TOS episodes aren't super great enough to justify a re-watch. But idk, man. I love TOS. I especially love it as a contrast to TNG, mainle because of the captains. I'd say Kirk was the best starship captain in the history of the federation, but Picard is the best human being/role model in the history of the Federation. Na mean?

If I want a really human, passionate captain, I'll watch TOS. If I want the most disciplined ethical mind, I watch TNG.

Also this. I mean seriously TOS is what it is. TNG and everything after is like building on top of a universe that's already been formed. I honestly believe if you can't sit through TOS because of how its age shows or shit like that, you're missing a fundamental aspect that's important to enjoying art.
Gor - Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:15:00 EST z9YUOs6r No.71255 Reply
Just don't watch Season 3, it's that simple.

Also don't watch The Omega Glory. Season 3 started early.

rip odo

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- Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:56:58 EST fYsorTUu No.69189
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Sun, 07 Feb 2021 12:10:12 EST H6SnhWkj No.71204 Reply
Didn't realize he was this old. But you obviously couldn't really tell from the show.

Fan Films

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- Wed, 28 Oct 2020 04:22:42 EST xXdUGzuV No.70877
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I'm NEUTRAL about this. Haha.
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Ezri Dax - Wed, 25 Nov 2020 22:43:43 EST 95OH7rHJ No.70965 Reply
When amateur fan-films are better than the official ones.

80s songs that sound 70s

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- Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:09:31 EST 5zzEPNjE No.69945
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I dunno.
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:16:01 EST m9IcXigW No.69947 Reply
This thread violates the Temporal Prime Directive.

Babylon 5

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- Tue, 23 Jun 2020 00:51:42 EST LeuwNIoa No.70446
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Time to settle this debate once and for all. Was it better than DS9? Did you personally like it better than DS9?
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Mon, 25 Jan 2021 01:09:16 EST DznTlomT No.71159 Reply
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To people coming into this series, I'd call it a cross between Star Trek and Camelot.
AOL use to host streaming episodes you just had to watch a pickle advertisement for, but has none of the TNT movies. They didn't even have "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" for fuck sake. This was back in 2010 though so it is probably gone. If your lucky its probably on HBO Max, if Time Warner even knows they own the rights.
because DS9 ripped it off
>Cardasians --> Centari
>Bajorins --> Narn
>Wormhole Aliens --> Vorlons
>Evil Bajorin gods --> Shadows
>Odo --> Garibaldi
>Section 31 --> Psi core / fascist Earth
Garibaldi's character is like a cross between a noir detective and a cyberpunk franchise nod.
Lennier is no where near as bad as Luke's character assassination like Last Jedi. If anything it makes Lennier sort of like a failed Lancelot. Considering the actor is still alive I'd love to see a final miniseries based on his character trying to redeem itself, but the market is risk adverse and wants to stay with established franchises.
yyyyeeeeeeaaaaaah, um Ambassador Thoris, i'm gonna have to ask you to come into work this Saturday.....AAAAnnnnnddddd this Sunday, think you can do that Thoris?
Basically since Trek stole BS5's plot for DS9, Crusade thought the could create something more similar to TOS. They do try to make their own spin by focusing on archaeology and extinct alien species, as well as going into more detail about the Shadows. But Galen and the Space Wizards make me love this series more.
I wonder if one of the reasons Harlan Ellison wrote for J. Michael Straczynski because of how Harlan had to give Star Trek one of his plot ideas too. Its even touching J. Michael Straczynski would come back and offer to help out Star Trek after Nemesis.
Admiral Chekote - Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:43:22 EST a0+8pDbN No.71169 Reply
what about the Narf? The Scrunt comes for the Narf!
Governor Torak - Mon, 01 Feb 2021 04:35:33 EST 0VxiM6iY No.71175 Reply
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For like season 2 and season 5 maybe but JMS really wants you to watch Crusaders before the final episodes lmao I dunno, the order gets WEIRD at the end there. I like Crusaders but that whole thing is a bit of clusterfuck to me.

If you're going to do the JMS viewing order, I'd say just do it for season 2 and 5 since the networks messed up the orders a bit. Otherwise it's too much for a first-time viewer unless you're OK with doing homework like I was as a first-time viewer (I just finished the series late last year).

I would also recommend this:

Let's be fair, DS9 didn't rip off B5. I know it's hard to avoid comparison because they came out at the same time with similar themes, but both shows really did their own thing in the end. Comparing Odo to Garibaldi is a bit of a stretch imo.

As for Lennier, well...the worst part about B5 is some things aren't wrapped up within the show like the Psychic War, which is only mentioned in some short stories that JMS wrote after the series. A lot of fans don't like the short stories, myself included. JMS ends up giving Lennier and Marcus a shitty ending which didn't bode with the fans or myself.

Discovery Season 3

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- Fri, 27 Nov 2020 01:43:15 EST FTBJNlo8 No.70975
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It's honestly pretty decent. I'm sure they'll shit the bed by the end, but most of the episodes feel pretty Trek to me so far.

They're now using the season arc to just hang more simple moral tales off of, and it's holding together much better. Episode 1 and 6 were trash, but I'm through 7 and I'm starting to look forward to new episodes.

Sure, they still sometimes deliver monologues like YuGiOh, but the episodes aren't scrambling all over the place any more. Each one feels like it has a story to tell.

Anyone else feel better about this season?
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Cmdr. Williams - Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:09:11 EST a0+8pDbN No.71165 Reply
Ironically, if y'all are FINALLY given exactly what you asked for and you STILL hate it then you are just Star Wars fans after all
Governor Torak - Mon, 01 Feb 2021 04:25:18 EST 0VxiM6iY No.71173 Reply
What the hell are you on about? They should try giving us a good series, how about that?


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- Sun, 25 Aug 2019 23:15:58 EST JpsWdQPO No.68481
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Jean-Luc Picard - Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:41:00 EST ln/uQ800 No.71129 Reply

Yeah, Trek wins in almost all confrontations between Trek and Wars. Even if the plot says that Trek can’t beam through their own shields, every single member of the boarding party is getting beamed back to their own ship, if it is the Federation. If it is the Cardies or the Romulans, the Stormtroopers are getting spaced, and their ships are gonna get stripped for intel and tech. The only group in the Trek universe willing to entertain the boarding parties are Klingons.
T'Pau - Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:13:28 EST E0cm4cGn No.71133 Reply
Looking at numbers, wars ships have much more powerful reactors and guns, an individual star destroyer would be akin to a borg cube (albeit a less advanced one). One of those toasted hundreds of federation ships with minimal damage but it also represented about 5 times as many combat personnel. Do the federation get to deploy in kind? Or do they send one ship with 300 combat personnel against something that holds a batallion?

If your ships have shields and guns running off the same power sources then those power sources are what determines the outcome all else the same. The thing is all else is different. The question is really that and how much of a "force multiplier" your tech and configurations is.

I mean sure if it's a clever crew and they have time to spot weaknesses the advanced tech might let them get away with all sorts of insane stuff, and their crews are much better at thinking outside the box and solving problems creatively. I reckon Scotty would spot the exhaust vent on the deathstar without the designer who put it there passing him a note, Data or Geordi using more sophisticated sensors? Easy. Given how shitty the tracking on turrets in SW seems to be could the defiant deliver the bomb? Would it just headbutt the turrets with it's "Fist of Sisko" phase cannon setup?
Herbert Rossoff - Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:31:20 EST TTcXb8JG No.71134 Reply
Based on what boarding actions we've seen in Trek (Voyager gets boarded more than once and DS9 gets boarded without just transporting people back out instantly) and in general how the transporter is used it looks like you need to actually sit down and get the lock on first (likely easier if you have a combadge on as the computer tracks that) before you can beam people around. Maybe you can do it for a handful of people during combat but not ~9,000 people boarding all at once without dedicating a huge amount of crew and power to the task. I'd assume shields would go down given the far, far higher weapon counts on a Star Destroyer though that'll depend on how they compare in use, granted at that point you could just destroy the ship entirely but you'd want a few for technology reasons. Star Wars is spotty on it but average ships do have shields of some variety (though possibly not the fighters) meaning it's a difficult matter to destroy them back.

Going by the Dominion War land battles on planets are also a thing and here the Federation would lose badly given they can hardly even handle the Dominion.

I'd also assume logistically the Empire would be likely to win an overall war as it has far higher manpower and more ships, plus it's set up for fighting wars not for exploration. The Federation would win battles through sheer ingenuity and technology but a war is not about battles it's about logistics and strategy. Standard Imperial fleets can number into the thousands of ships including a few hundred capital ships (Star Destroyer and larger).

The Defiant has a cloak so it's probably fine to do whatever it wants. Unless weird force bullshit lets the Emperor detect it or something. Though the entire idea of a Death Star is pretty dumb unless you dig into the EU lore where it was planned for defending the galaxy against alien invasion.


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- Sun, 17 Jan 2021 00:46:04 EST ln/uQ800 No.71116
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So, I dropped out of watching Discovery while they were trying to chase down Spock. Is it worth trying to pick back up?

I mean, I probably will finish out the series anyway, because I am a completionist, but should I go watch the new animated series first, or what?
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Kotan Pa'Dar - Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:30:40 EST a0+8pDbN No.71141 Reply

cartoons aren't sexy! no sex appeal! no no it never aired in my country and i haven't got round to purchasing the divd

you know what's not on my list? Picard. Not on my list.
Governor Torak - Mon, 01 Feb 2021 04:22:11 EST 0VxiM6iY No.71172 Reply
Discovery is non-canonical and I'm going to keep saying it even if the idiots on twitter call me names. You wouldn't be a completionist because it's not Trek.

Avoid all Nu Trek like the plague. Please go check out another franchise in the same vein of Trek such as Orville, Babylon 5, even SG-1. Just move on and enjoy what we had before the JJ-pocalypse.

i dont understand

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- Sun, 17 May 2020 23:53:57 EST OK1C8MXL No.70251
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was her character supposed to be annoying?
Lursa - Mon, 18 May 2020 05:06:35 EST Sipr6zz7 No.70254 Reply
No. She was actually supposed to be developed into a main character but it didn't happen. They kept bringing her back but she never became more than a distraction to remind everyone that hey helpless civilians live here too.
Prinadora - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:31:39 EST CGDlxfAp No.70543 Reply

Either that, or she was just a way to torture Miles. The writers loved torturing Miles.
Jean-Luc Picard - Sun, 17 Jan 2021 00:57:28 EST ln/uQ800 No.71117 Reply

Yeah it seems like the writers were taking turns with the scripts, and only one or two writers even remembered that Keiko existed.

Or, you know, if the writers wanted to cock block Julian and Miles.

Major Kira hate thread

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- Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:23:05 EST JbyLr5gR No.70496
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I hate this bitch y'all.
She is one of the most irresponsible and irrational Star Trek characters I have had the displeasure of having to listen to. Her actress is hams it up and goes way too over the top.
She makes horrible decisions, some of the worst decisions in all of Trek.
She was the one responsible for sending Worf and Dax alone together on a critical covert operation that ended in disaster. It was almost like she was trying to sabotage them. Oh and let's not forget her worst and most egregious sin; going on a suicide vendetta revenge mission while voluntarily carrying the unborn child of some of your closest and most trusted comrades!
I hate Major Kira so much. Thanks for letting me vent.
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Lt. Darien Wallace - Tue, 08 Dec 2020 13:24:09 EST VUoC/4h7 No.71061 Reply
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Brok'tan - Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:28:03 EST a0+8pDbN No.71127 Reply
op is clearly British or Belgian or from the US i.e. an imperialist Cardiassian swine and their opinion of Kira, an Irish / Palestinian / Biafran / Kurdish / South Korean / Bajoran does not matter.


Tube thread

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- Thu, 03 Dec 2020 13:49:15 EST 9BGHgEhJ No.71025
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/1701/ has an active tube, apparently a lot of regulars here didn't know. There were technical problems hosting on Taima, so it's set up on Cytube. During the weekdays it's 24/7 trek, with Sci fi movies on the weekends as people want them. There are also maybe 50+ custom bumpers playing between episodes, and about 2000 gif emotes available in the chat.

In the future, we hope to move back onto Taima, but for the time being, discuss the tube ITT.
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Michael Rostov - Mon, 07 Dec 2020 16:22:56 EST LNOdPH0z No.71058 Reply

As terrible as STD is, I'm glad someone provides a way to watch it without supporting it financially. That way we can gain a greater understanding of how it fails and have fun shitposting about it.
Evening - Mon, 07 Dec 2020 20:30:31 EST 9BGHgEhJ No.71060 Reply
Well, in any case we're back to the normal playlist now anyway.


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- Sun, 06 Dec 2020 21:50:19 EST cHzIXhC/ No.71053
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Watching ENT in its entirety for the firs time. I saw parts of it when it initially air'd and never since. I'm half way through season 1 and don't think its anywhere near bad as it has a reputation for being? Sure theres a few stinkers here and there but what series doesn't have those?

Does it get better or worse as it goes on? Should only get better right?
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Kolo - Mon, 07 Dec 2020 10:49:31 EST TTcXb8JG No.71056 Reply
Oh and everyone was - justifiably - angry at the theme song. That at least gets a little bit less shit when they change the tempo. The ending song was the original opening song and matches up perfectly to the visuals
which are also shit, but that argument has been had here before.
Dejar - Mon, 07 Dec 2020 11:05:20 EST BnrdIjvE No.71057 Reply
Kims non development is his development. Janeway squashes and ignores him so he's basically gone from the new guy to a bit experienced in 7 years. It makes sense.

ENT did have only 4 seasons, some of the characters develop more than others, I think it's unfair to say otherwise. Archer and Titpole change a lot and you know if it had run for 7 series it'd have been more obvious, he tempers his idealism with realism and she becomes more open minded and humble, they are microcosms of their respective people the same way the enterprise represents humanity among the stars. The ship would have had at least 1 more refit, probably 2 coming out still less than a match for a romulan, klingon or even vulcan warship, but able to do more than just swatted aside like they are at the start.

The rest are a mixed bag. Trip barely changes, Tucker does a little but barely, Hoshi had the sort of arc Kim would have had with a nurturing captain, Mayweather remains a blank slate. Shran would have probably been bridge crew had there been another 3 seasons and he changed a lot.

Season 3 is divisive. But everyone agrees 4 is good. The execs gave up and shitcanned it and let the showrunner do whatever because they stopped caring. So obviously that's when it got good. I think THAT is the real lesson for us about the future of trek. As long as execs who just see it as another sci product are involved it'll stink.

But yeah, season 1 was clunky but felt earnest and sometimes it worked.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Mon, 07 Dec 2020 19:01:17 EST TTcXb8JG No.71059 Reply
>Trip barely changes, Tucker does a little but barely,
But Trip and Tucker are the same person. I assume you meant Reed for one of them.
>Mayweather remains a blank slate
To be fair I think this is down in part to the actor being fucking terrible, possibly the worst we've seen for a main character in any Trek.

>Season 3 is divisive. But everyone agrees 4 is good. The execs gave up and shitcanned it and let the showrunner do whatever because they stopped caring. So obviously that's when it got good. I think THAT is the real lesson for us about the future of trek. As long as execs who just see it as another sci product are involved it'll stink.
That's what fucked Voyager up as well: it was used mostly for the network's ends and not allowed to shine as its own thing which is why it's all over the place in every element from Janeway's character to hopping between one-off episodes and occasional continuity attempts. Personally I think sliding it too hard into nu-BSG style gritty survival would have been bad but at least it would have been a consistent type of story rather than jumping one week from a leftoever/rehashed TNG script to some interesting Kazon stuff the next and then another time-travel-reset-button plot again because that's the only shit they got good reviews for. Though to be fair Voyager also suffers from bending both the rules of their situation and the characters' basic motivations/intelligence into really dumb scenarios purely so they can do whatever character piece plot they've thought up this week. The little touches were missing like in that early episode with the prison camp where they just up and leave all the other prisoners (even the one who directly helped them) behind to get killed for their organs while rescuing their own crew members where TNG would have at least added a throwaway line about the others being rescued. Everything is thrown out of the window purely for that week's plot.

Star Trek: Prodigy

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- Wed, 02 Dec 2020 00:16:17 EST V7AYp6Uq No.71010
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The second new animated Star Trek series, Star Trek: Prodigy, is set to premiere on Nickelodeon sometime in 2021. Here’s what’s been revealed about the show up until now:

It’s targeting kids instead of adults (sort-of a no-brainer considering it’s going to Nickelodeon)
Kevin and Dan Hageman are Showrunning.
The animation is targeting a look similar to the Netflix series, Love, Death & Robots and Ninjago/Trollhunters.
Kate Mulgrew will be reprising the role of Janeway (presumably Admiral Janeway now).
The series focuses on a group of lawless teenagers who use an abandoned starship to search for adventure.

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Commander Donatra - Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:22:09 EST DznTlomT No.71014 Reply
Nickelodeon could have just rebooted this series and pay zero royalties to Viacom. They must have been roped into Star Trek being a "recognizable brand".
>ywn have prime jewel stait again
G'Quan - Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:21:26 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.71017 Reply
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I can't think of any good episodes involving kids/teens. Molly, Rascals, Wesley, Borg kids, Naomi Wildman, Red Squad...I guess that's what you get when you let people like Keiko teach your kids.

Some of the Nog/Jake stuff wasn't too bad I guess and it gave us some good Nog eps down the road.
Guinan - Thu, 03 Dec 2020 01:53:05 EST d+5mThkj No.71018 Reply
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The rascals thread, and its sequel lasted a combined total of 7 or 8 years
.. and now they're gone..
the pain is visceral

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