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Holographic Immortality by Lt. Daniels - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 05:17:50 EST ID:sQLio0UG No.57492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Would the Doctor as a deathless hologram eventually decide to terminate himself?

He will by default outlive everyone he'll ever meet, see countless centuries pass by.
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Ba'el - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:36:16 EST ID:KikjBBjU No.57493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57492
For other Holograms, I could see that, but the doc very core programing would not allow him to take his own life. Imagine how much of a medical genius he'd be with all that experience. Even if he grew tired with living, he'd still feel responsibility to help others

Never mind that a few episodes showed him to be anti-suicide.
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Lt. Diana Giddings - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:37:11 EST ID:NuytcwMz No.57494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's no guarantee the Doc is deathless either. Remember, it's very unusual for a hologram to run as long as he has, usually after a certain amount of time their 'photonic matrix' or whatever bullshit begins to destabilize and they cease to exist.

Maybe he has found a way around that or eventually does, but it could also be that even by the last time we see him he is the equivalent of a very old man hanging on to life by a thread.
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Captain Tel-Peh - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:58:30 EST ID:5aCbAqEw No.57498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57492
>by default

well he and data haev one handicap. Machine maint of self. Data would have that no problem. The Dr however? It would be easy to program himself to learn to do it, but then again he keeps fucking up with own program when he mods it.
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Willie Hawkins - Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:29:19 EST ID:n1StyFZ/ No.57499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57494
The Doctor lived several decades on that fast planet (Would loved to have seen THAT episode Voyager). I think any time we see him in the future he's being reactivated though. Unless someone else knows of another long period of time he was online for, that's the only hard evidence of his lifespan I can recall.

Any kind of "life-force" Voyager writers tried to imbue him with "photonic matrix" kind of stuff...he's a computer program. As long as there's his program and a holoemitter you got yourself a doctor. That's two pretty crucial things that need to happen, it's basically his sperm and egg, but they have to come together EVERY time he manifests himself.

His mortality in our world is limited by the functionality of his mobile emitter, as long as that fucker stays charged he's good to go for as long as he wants in my estimation.
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Donik - Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:48:25 EST ID:1ILKv6CO No.57501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57499
In another episode a backup of him lives a long time. The one where he corrects history...
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Herbert Rossoff - Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:49:46 EST ID:OZhk/hzP No.57502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57499
his back up runs for centuries on that world with the Warship Voyager simulation
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Donik - Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:58:35 EST ID:1ILKv6CO No.57503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57502
Even on a board this slow we managed to post the same thing at the same time. Just... 9 hours after the post we replied to.
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Grand Nagus Zek - Thu, 29 Dec 2016 02:27:25 EST ID:L3E9v1HE No.57513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I imagine that all the problems with the doctors long life span are easy enough that him and his many backups could live forever. I think that the only way that he'd cease to want to exist is if he served zero purpose and had none for the foreseeable future... something like being trapped in a void. But I think he'd wait an extraordinary amount of time before eve terminating in that.

Would be cool to see a storyline with him in the far far distant future somewhere like a few 100 years after yoyager ended. Not sure that'll ever happen though, but he really was one of the best charcters on voyager for sure.
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Kira Taban - Thu, 29 Dec 2016 04:30:48 EST ID:0ZbRzUd0 No.57514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57499
it was only 3 years bro
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Ishka Moogie - Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:22:50 EST ID:xFnlgs1F No.57523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57514
Oh it was only 3 years. Well sheeit.
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Curzon Dax - Thu, 05 Jan 2017 17:25:02 EST ID:Ld/FqYVV No.57587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57499
>The Doctor lived several decades on that fast planet (Would loved to have seen THAT episode Voyager).
It's called Blink of An Eye and it's one of my favourite episodes.

>>57502
>his back up runs for centuries on that world with the Warship Voyager simulation
Another of my favourites, it really makes you wonder what historians will think of our civilization in 700 years time. I think it's fun trying to guess the inaccuracies.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Witness_(episode)

They have implied that the doctor could die, like in Message in a Bottle where the doctor was transported to a federation ship in the alpha quadrant. It's amazing that they don't just make a backup of him.
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Lonzo - Thu, 05 Jan 2017 19:02:50 EST ID:2CjFaDB+ No.57589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57587
>It's amazing that they don't just make a backup of him.

But they do? Because that's what those guys in the future find in Living Witness. Of course, the Doc has expanded his program so much that it might be literally impossible to make a full backup. After all, we never saw him sing in Living Witness.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 01:19:16 EST ID:3q2kEMAP No.57591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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At some point the Doc might become tired of doing people stuff, and decide to explore the Galaxy.

Maybe he's a crewmember of a ship, maybe he's a ship I don't know. I feel like there is a lot to be explored there.
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Tekeny Ghemor - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 01:22:08 EST ID:sQLio0UG No.57592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57589

But then when he's sent across the galaxy to bring a message to the federation, or make a house call to dr zimmerman, we never see any backup program, in fact, harry Harry Kim tries to just flat out make a new doctor program and fails miserably for some reason.
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Jack - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:28:18 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.57593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57587
>it really makes you wonder what historians will think of our civilization in 700 years time
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Azan - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:47:59 EST ID:NUbxvEoE No.57600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57589
The backup in Living Witness is a classic example of Voyager inconsistent writing. Though it's one of the better episodes of all of Trek, IMO.
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Lorian - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:33:13 EST ID:zsuUhNCG No.57628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57591
I like this. If the doctor took enough time to learn how to reprogram his own subroutines he could become literally anything. He's different from solids and other genetic creatures in that his code was literally meant to be interfaced with and modified by an intelligence, so it's probably much easier for him to modify himself and for it to have a predictable outcome than it is for a humanoid to modify themselves.

He could become an omniscient, holographic god given enough memory to store his shit on. He'd just have to move past his own originally programmed biases.
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Data - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:34:08 EST ID:N1v2Vs8N No.57629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57628
thats starting to happen in one of the Myirad Universes stories, after he gets intergrated into a medical archive and becomes everyones doctor
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Guinan - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:29:14 EST ID:RHNGWoY0 No.57633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57628
How fucking sick would it be if we got a series where the Backup Doctor returns to the alpha quadrant to find that in this universe (due to the interference of future Janeway) things turned out differently than in the universes glimpsed from travelers through time.. let's say he returns instead to find his former self in such a godlike form, having interfaced entirely with the planet Bynar and its people. Basically it'll be Bob Picardo as both hero and villain in an alpha quadrant 700 years further into a dystopian future where backup Doctor has to instill federation values in a ragtag group of rebel freedom fighters on a hyperfuturistic starship

Or alternatively, we could have a continuation of the story of the alpha and beta quadrants in the years where the future part of all good things is supposed to happen.. all kinds of old characters could pop in from any of the three TNG era series for cameos and old storylines could finally get closure.. we could see a Romulan Empire crippled by a supernova destroying its home system being conquered by the Klingons, Bajor rising to be a major threat to the alpha quadrant and starting a crusade against the Federation, hints from the Gamma quadrant that Odo's return has had unexpected consequences, and the story of Garak working to rebuild the Cardassian Empire as a Republic , which comes to befriend the Federation

OR we could have had an exploration of the Enterprise B and C, watching the war between Cardassia and the Federation, seeing a young O'Brien and a young Picard face peril and adventure, bridging the era of the TOS movies and the early days of TNG and fleshing out the background left unseen..

Oh well


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