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Starship Porn General: Ample Nacelles Edition by Kolo - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:40:38 EST ID:xE89lXH+ No.65559 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Beauty shots, action shots, screencaptures, artist renditions, gimme all you've got /1701/!

Star trek, star wars, babylon 5, battlestar galactica, lexx, farscape, the orville, independent concept art, no sci-fi series is excluded cum one cum all!

I want to be able to masterbate for at least 2 hours
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Hadley - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:20:59 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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big fat na-celles all in my face
circle jerkin starships in dis place
thicc ass bu-ssards are the new lace
work that warp drive we goin to space
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Captain Tel-Peh - Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:59:28 EST ID:vfKzFqQZ No.65582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I would love to see more space ships that incorporate shit within the feasibility of current-day technology, like the ring space station from 2001: A Space Odyssey, which simulates gravity by fucking spinning.

Shout out to Bajoran light sails for being exactly that.
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Stonn - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 04:57:56 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65582
doesn't B5 spin that way to?
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Vedek Bareil - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:02:57 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65582
rotating drum, like in b5
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Vedek Bareil - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:23:40 EST ID:l5TvN503 No.65594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65593
Also, the space station at the bottom is rotating for gravity as well.
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Ensign McFarlane - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:30:10 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65582
I know a lot of people didn't like this movie but the spaceship from Passengers was pretty awesome. It had rotation for gravity but instead of using rings used a triple-helix. It had some pretty cool other features for hard-sci fi ships, a bow mounted micrometeor deflector, definitively sub-light max speed, etc.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 02:17:41 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.65601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey since you guys got so many nacelles can I borrow one? I broke down and my deposit on the Space BnB the crew threw in on at Risa is non-refundable.

We told these guys towing us that we'd let them party with us but it was a lie and was wondering if you could help us out.
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:21:00 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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pew pew
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:31:51 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I know it's not everybody's favorite but the designs of UNSC frigates and capital ships. Same with Battlestars. Different aesthetic but still a bulky, utilitarian feel. Space brutalism, if you will, lmao
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:36:32 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65605 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:40:40 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65606 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:42:37 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:43:19 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:47:39 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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i may be alone in loving the Intrepid class. The nacelles are wonky but other than that she's a beaut
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Broik - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:07:32 EST ID:xE89lXH+ No.65610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65609
Have to agree with that, the Intrepid-class is a thing of beauty

Check out this Babylon-class concept art
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Q - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:40:15 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65610
oo baby hnnng
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Ensign Herbert - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:18:18 EST ID:7akD8Ijv No.65661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65614
I know right, it's like the Intrepid wearing a slinky dress and stiletto heels
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Kang - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 06:46:15 EST ID:HrQ2uhD2 No.65681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65609
Always thought it looked like a sleeked out Planet Express Ship with its overbite and tiny "wings"
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Lursa - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:03:31 EST ID:Wim/0Gx6 No.65684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65609

VOYAGER LOOKS too chode like for me
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Erika Benteen - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:46:35 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65684
>> too chode like for me
Guys, all starships are various types of penises flying in space. You know this.

major exceptions: V'Ger, which is the most dramatically yonic ship design I can think of...it's a sheath that slowly consumes the phallic enterprise, leading it inward to it's ultimate consummation of man and machine...mmmmh
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T'Les - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:58:43 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65685
oh shit they did that Sternbeck Voyager concept?
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Erika Benteen - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:40:54 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65686
That picture isn't real, sorry. It's just an impossible dream...
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Menos - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:31:25 EST ID:gdJ/ZXv1 No.65688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Minuet - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 10:09:13 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65689 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65687
I guess "Starship Collection figures that aren't kinda shit in the actual product" was the impossible dream
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Christine Chapel - Fri, 31 Aug 2018 18:58:34 EST ID:zgAwn5Av No.65706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65688
no
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G'Quan - Sat, 01 Sep 2018 04:40:15 EST ID:PKki+GTG No.65712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sun, 16 Sep 2018 23:51:27 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.65784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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To think of what could have been, Trip and Shran yelling at each other during the middle of a nuke battle with the Romulans trying to fix stuff.
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Ikat'ika - Tue, 18 Sep 2018 19:09:32 EST ID:EY7OSID1 No.65797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65784
Jesus, what a mess of overbuilding. Gimme some clean and efficient lines like the future is supposed to have.
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Ghee P'Trell - Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:29:59 EST ID:khLDKzxB No.65798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65797
>overbuilding

Uh, yeah. It's a refit. They built it twice.
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Kono - Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:15:46 EST ID:xOj2uCbO No.65799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65609
I don't like it at all, it looks too chubby.
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M'Pella - Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:37:32 EST ID:URhcRB2x No.65808 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Mila - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 05:50:04 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65797
>>clean and efficient lines
>>constitution-refit, the beginning of the greeblification
You were close. This really is the epitome of elegance in starship design. No greebles, no nernies, no texture, just bold, impactful, geometric curves that put the ship in motion even in a still frame. Sadly almost all Trek ship concepts are around frankensteining this form rather than learning from and expanding on the principles of design it embodies.

also needs more nacelles
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Grimp - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:21:41 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65820 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65818
it's a flying saucer strapped to some cigar tubes
it's literally kitbashing the most common UFO designs

I love the 1701 don't get me wrong, but it's a frankenstein in its own right
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Mila - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:54:45 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65820
>>it's literally kitbashing the most common UFO designs
I mean I feel like kitbashing has lost all meaning if we're calling the 1701 a kitbash. A kitbash is when a model that was clearly designed to go together a different way is hodgepodged together. The Galaxy Dreadnought is a kitbash, the Nebula class is a kitbash, even the Miranda is kinda of a kitbash, but the 1701 is a bespoke unified piece of design. Yes, it was inspired by earlier spaceship concepts, but it fused and iconified them in a way that no one before or since has done. I mean even the whole idea of having the humans be the one in the flying saucer was revolutionary when forbidden planet did it and more, the interaction between the different shapes has that implied movement a lot of other ship designs lack, the streamline-moderne quality of it that almost all later greeble-monsters lack. That's what makes it special.

So I guess it's a frankenstein, but how you put a frankenstein together is what makes it more or less than the sum of its parts <-----
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Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:57:43 EST ID:LCfgD/e0 No.65830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This should probably go in the nit picking thread but Frankenstein isn't the monster well okay, he is the monster but that's nuance lost long before you start confusing key characters
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T'Pol - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:48:34 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65830
Well nitpicking, when people say 'you made a 'frankenstein' out of it' they mean 'you made a monster out of a bunch of parts, like Doc Frankenstein did.' It would like be calling all airplanes 'Wrights' or all cars 'Benzes' after the inventor. So using it metaphorically, the Nebula class (say) is a frankenstein, not a 'frankenstein's monster.' But if I literally was talking about the world of Frankenstein, and used that pic of those two monsters and said 'these are Frankensteins' that would be wrong, for sure.
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:42:54 EST ID:LCfgD/e0 No.65841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65836
I feel like posting pictures of the monster without implying that's what your talking about would be sillier than getting who frankenstein is wrong. I mean who would create such a frankenstein's monster of a post? Which is also what you would say.

But seriously if you ever want to read a "classic" and haven't read that one yet. It's pretty good. I remember being able to choose a book to study in English Literature during my final year of compulsory study of the subject and it leapt out. It's the only thing I got an A for in English pretty much ever. Don't get me wrong. I wasn't an abysmal student but as you can tell from reading my posts I'm not a great at it either. It's something I will jump on.
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Sarek - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:31:52 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65841
>>without implying that's what your talking
But, I did imply that's what I was talking about. The picture was specifically for someone who read my post, to illustrate the point I made.

Anyway, yeah, Frankenstein is a classic. It is rightfully considered the progenitor of all science fiction. Did you know she wrote it on a bet cause her husband (the equally famous Percy Shelley) basically said 'women can't write serious horror fiction' and she was like 'oh yeah?'
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Lauren - Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:14:16 EST ID:/QhEw+TZ No.65857 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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*Enterpreeze
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Hugh - Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:00:05 EST ID:NO7XHFTU No.65868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Admiral Cartwright - Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:15:57 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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by this point in the world of fluid language very few people think of the doctor when somebody says "Frankenstein"
When somebody means the doctor they'll say "Dr Frankenstein" or something. Just "Frankenstein" usually means Boris Karloff in the flattop and bolts. Not even
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Admiral Cartwright - Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:17:09 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65869
other movie ones, just Boris

nb for 2xposting to finish a sentence derp
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Orator Plegg - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 00:05:35 EST ID:51jDRXZx No.65881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Broca - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:46:42 EST ID:6W7JURQE No.65974 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Mot - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:36:20 EST ID:DQPN6n13 No.66180 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:49:42 EST ID:OXxgCjjK No.66197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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G'Quan - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 00:24:38 EST ID:PKki+GTG No.66210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>65559
Don't feel like uploading them one by one. Here is almost 100 pictures of Trek ships with a very small amount of Known Space ships since they are tangentially related:
https://mega.nz/#F!9oxknQyJ!pqWmWJh01ttfuSIDns8tHA

I've got a ton more but didn't feel like sorting through them all anymore than I already did.

Hope you guys enjoy them. If there is interest I can post a hell of a lot more.
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Lwaxana Troi - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 18:40:57 EST ID:4BGwliBd No.66217 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66210
klingons all compensating by building giant dick shaped ships lol
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Molly O'Brien - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:12:49 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66210
Why is Noggra's ship a Promelian battlecruiser? Is that legitimately from a comic or something or did the guy making this just not know what ship to use?
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Guinan - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 20:48:59 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.66220 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66210
>The Kazon, the retarded tribalist species that had trouble finding enough water have a ship the larger than a Romulan D'Deridex Warbird. The Kazon, without any organized industry or replicators, are able to build a larger ship than the Federation has ever made. The Kazon, the jolly Kazon-Americans, built a ship larger than the largest vessel fielded by the Dominion, a faction that ruled over most of the gamma quadrant.
It's even bigger than the fucking Doomsday machine. The doomsday machine sees this thing and just turns around because it's too big.

I'm starting to think Janeway exaggerated about what happened in the Delta Quadrant for a promotion.
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Willie Hawkins - Fri, 09 Nov 2018 23:18:30 EST ID:PKki+GTG No.66221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66220
Could be true or could be that they just dumped their labor force into making giant ships. We have lots of huge structures from antiquity and pre-antiquity.

And just because it is large doesn't make it a good ship.
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Roy Ritterhouse - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 02:37:36 EST ID:bsMTOC3z No.66222 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66221
I assumed that they had like maybe 2 or 3 enormous ships where basically all Kazon resided and had larger amount of raiding vessels to keep themselves afloat by taking food and supplies and whatnot.
Like in my head the Kazon don't have a home planet and are basically space nomads going around stealing and raiding where they can
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Kalita - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 06:27:54 EST ID:rVB/dZWq No.66223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66220
Size isn't everything, it's amount of power you transfer from the reactor to weapons. The defiant could take a whole wing of cardassian cruisers while being 180m. The Hirogen warships were 150m and a couple of those would make just about anyone turn the other way.

It's probably half space station and all made up of a hodge podge of third tier equipment. It needs to be huge to stand up to even a small federation scouting frigate. When the kazon steal voyager Paris in a fucking shuttle swats one of their fighters like it's a small wasp at worst. A huge structure doesn't mean it's got good shields or firepower. It just means it can disgorge a screen of flimsy poorly armed fighters and maybe a few laughable corvettes to take a few hits while it escapes.

Let me put it another way. The Enterprise NX01 is 260m ish. A species 8472 bioship is 50m. How many NX01s would it take to kill one bioship?
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Montgomery Scott - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 07:12:55 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.66224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Borg cube 3km square would fill the bottom segment of that ships view list and take on all the rest!
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Thalen - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 08:51:30 EST ID:4BGwliBd No.66225 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>65857
you funny
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Commander Dolim - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:27:38 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66220
>>66221
>>66222
You guys have never actually watched Voyager, have you? If you did, you would know that why the Kazon's ships are so big is a very explicit plot point in the episode that is the climax of the Kazon arc, which makes total sense and would be impossible to miss as its integral to the A plot of the whole episode.

I'm callin yer out. Six-guns at high noon
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Gul Evek - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:57:29 EST ID:bsMTOC3z No.66230 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66228
I've actually watched Voyager a shit load but the Kazon are just lame enemies, I never payed attention whenever it was a Kazon episode.
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Commander Dolim - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:08:53 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66231 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66230
How can you know if they're lame or not if you never pay attention to them? Case in point, one of the coolest things about them, which explains everything about why they are the way they are, is something you 'just missed' (which I don't believe, if the episode was on you would know what was happening. Does this guy look familiar to you? )
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Guinan - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:12:42 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.66233 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66228
Now you listen here, pardner

I didn't realize them tallywackers was so gul-durned BIG, I mean I knew they was BIG but we're talking REALLY CONSARN BIG. Now, Voyager ain't a big boat herself, and when we're talkin' bout the ol' inequities of scale, it ain't much ova yardstick to be measuring an acre by, if you catch my meaning. Bigger than I expected, that's what you wanna hear from your tavern ladies, but not from your engineer in charge of assessing Kazon warship capabilites.
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Noonian Soong - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:26:47 EST ID:nznEl8Nb No.66234 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66231
A great episode.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:58:06 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.66235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66231
I wouldn't say anything about that episode was particularly 'cool'. The Kazon origin story is almost identical to the Klingon one, their penchant for infighting was almost identical to the Klingon's, and the way their society is organized very similar as well.

Voyager basically wasted nearly 2 seasons on them. For their story to end the way it did was pretty anticlimactic. I wish the dude in your picture had his way.
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Commander Dolim - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 23:06:14 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66235
It was cool insofar as it made logical and sensible the Kazon who, without the Trabe, make no sense at all. And the whole two-twist setup was pretty cool for early VOY.
Honestly, people don't like the Kazon arc, but I like it a whole lot better than when VOY degenerates into borg + tits = the borgwithtits and sometimesthedoctor show, for 4 seasons.

>>pic related, actress Jeri Ryan pictured here in her role as Seven of Nine
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Commander Dolim - Sat, 10 Nov 2018 23:07:17 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66236
It kicked out the pic last time, joke doesn't work without it, trying one more time, nb
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 21:47:46 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.66273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66223
I know I talked shit on the Kazon earlier, but the nearest analog that exists IRL for a ship to have a giant crew is old Navy ships from WWI and WWII. Look up the old battleships and it took a crew of 20 some odd people working in tight quarters to man the gun turrets. The new Zumwalt has a tiny crew for it's size, a ship that size back in WWI would have a crew several times it's size to service equipment that's mostly automated these days, and in this case the Voyager is the Zumwalt, and the Kazon big boy ships are the old battleships named after American states.

Anyways, here's the sexiest ship picture I have
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Guinan - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:07:25 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.66280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66273
That is a beautiful ship. Too bad we'll probably never see anything that nice in any future incarnations of trek..
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Vice Admiral Leyton - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:19:11 EST ID:Hw08xEz2 No.66281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66273
What is that even? like... a Vulcan Galaxy/Nebula refit?

I hold out hope for that sort of variant in future. With CGI models we can have all the kitbash we want without fucking up million dollar models.
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Subaltern Lorot - Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:07:47 EST ID:0psw25LP No.66288 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What was this thread about?
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:20:24 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.66303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66281
Definitely a Nebula kitbash, but one of those rare ones where it looks 100% better than the original. My headcanon is that it's one of the first Federation transwarp ships. Also I want it to be the USS Titan.

This thing though, I'm not sure how to feel about it. The bridge doesn't need to be at the very front of the saucer IMO. Also, it kind of looked like someone smooshed together an X-Wing fighter and a Y wing bomber into a TNG-era Galaxy class ship. This is what the USS Voyager should have been.
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Tiron - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:55:30 EST ID:t5bf2eXu No.66324 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66303
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Menos - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 18:43:40 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66303
>>Comparing a vertically oriented starfleet ship to star wars ships and doesn't mention the B-wing.

I think it's uggo, but I like the idea of more vertically oriented starfleet ships...anyway, I was looking for some more of those and I found this vertically oriented D'Deridex, omg!
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:03:31 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.66368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66331
I think what's causing the uggo-ness is the saucer section. I think that a different saucer design could possibly solve this issue, but I dunno what kind of saucer shape that might be.

The more I look at it, the more it looks like an Ambassador Class-sized version of the Galaxy Class modular design, with the star drive's vertical orientation so it can spin quickly on it's axis to fire it's torpedoes and to protect the flank of a wing of starships with it's large deflector array.

It probably would make a good planetary assault ship, you deliver the troops/logistics support via a detachable saucer, and the star drive section has atmospheric combat capabilities due to a highly aerodynamic shape.
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Captain Paul Rice - Thu, 29 Nov 2018 13:59:03 EST ID:GNRbDRVR No.66392 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66331
vertical orientation is terrible your field of vision is horizontal and you're inclunid to turn your wide side toward the enemy in combat.

Come to think of it why did the Enterprise pull such a bonehead move against the Borg cube as to get sliced through the middle of the saucer from above?

They should have only been able to cut at all of the 10 etc forwardses. How many families had to die just so the ship's taverns could be protected?

This paints starfleet as a sort of evil because not only did they have to make the ultimate sacrifice for boozing and schmoozing, it's not even real booze. That makes it so much worse.
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Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:50:08 EST ID:TErzJT2a No.66401 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Duras - Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:30:38 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66392
>>you're inclunid to turn your wide side toward the enemy in combat.
You're thinking in two dimensions, cadet.
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Morn - Sat, 01 Dec 2018 00:26:42 EST ID:rJMB/UFJ No.66413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66412
Yeah but spaceships in these shows still don't have equal impulse power in every direction. And in this case, the show director will be inclined to turn your wide side toward the enemy.

Also, even if you're above your target like in that shot.... There is no up, and thus the only reason to turn the wide side to the enemy is for shot composition. Unless like, weapons can target the deflector dish and that's what you need to cover.

The vertical bombers from Star Wars are just awful. They're only a little bigger than fighters. They're certainly not starships, and that means direct piloting. So unless they're designed for aliens with eyes going up their face instead of across, it's completely fucked design.
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Vic Fontaine - Sun, 02 Dec 2018 19:42:00 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66413
As far as we know impulse only powers forward, but thrusters seem to enable all varieties of movements.

>>And in this case, the show director will be inclined to turn your wide side toward the enemy.
But how can things that are in the show because its a TV show have bearing on how the things would work in real life? Yes, the reason you would have a vertically oriented ship turn on its side is because of how it would look, but that's also the only reason you have the horizontally oriented ones turn on their side too, because it reminds us of a ship in water. They would be just as likely to turn up, exposing their horizontally oriented saucer.

In space, there is no difference between the surface area of a B-wing and an X-wing, so there is no practical difference in terms of which design makes more sense. Both have the same amount of area exposed to fire. If the Enterprise had it's saucer section down its middle, it would be exactly as vulnerable in space as it is now.

>>So unless they're designed for aliens with eyes going up their face instead of across, it's completely fucked design
Are you suggesting that human heads are somehow shaped like the saucer section of the enterprise? I think I figured out your thing about vertical orientation; you don't like swapping your phone between portrait and landscape modes, which happens because our eyes are horizontally oriented while our face is vertically oriented. Don't worry; the shape of our heads and our eyes actually has nothing to do with how we would design spaceships.
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Youngblood - Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:36:32 EST ID:4/SCcKAa No.66446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66422
>but that's also the only reason you have the horizontally oriented ones turn on their side too

Not the only reason. The further from the center of mass you can place a thruster, the more maneuverability you have along that axis, and there's a reason we have widescreens and not tallscreens. We're not as well equipped to deal with the visual input of a vertically oriented craft.

Of course if it's a large starship are you even piloting it manually anyway? no. But there's a precedent that anything Voyager sized or under would routinely go under manual piloting. And if we're ignoring Voyager canon for being trash as we should, certainly anything Defiant-sized would be piloted from time to time, even if there's no damn stick.

Then again the writers and designers of the 90's were not as wise as we are regarding the shortcomings of touchscreen panels.

>Are you suggesting that human heads are somehow shaped like the saucer section of the enterprise?
No but that's why you have a wide view sticking out the top of the saucer. The viewscreens from TOS and TNG really don't do it justice. It's actually one of the things Discovery does right, delivering on Roddenberry's original vision of the bridge as being this wide viewing platform rather than just a flatscreen in a room somewhere.

Of course, they took his ambitions for a long zoom into bridge shot and went way too far and made it trash flipping the camera around for no reason but hey, they had the technology and they tried. The only problem is the technology didn't hold them back at all and self-restraint isn't something they have any understanding of.

>Don't worry; the shape of our heads and our eyes actually has nothing to do with how we would design spaceships.
Lol no. That's retarded. You don't throw ergonomics out of the window for manned spacecraft, or manned anything. Maybe you don't give a shit at first but eventually, the shortcomings are going to be very much apparent.

Do a quick test. Get a stopwatch and turn your head left and right 15 times, record your time.
Then reset your stopwatch and look alternatingly at the floor and ceiling 15 times, record your time.
This, along with which one makes your neck fucking hurt, is ergonomics.
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Zefram Cochrane - Wed, 05 Dec 2018 17:56:44 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.66450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh yeah, I suppose in a battle if you wanted to have impulse power (ΒΌ of the speed of light) in all directions then the ship, like a space x rocket, it should have the ability to thrust movement in all directions. Otherwise turning could prove to be problematic.
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Gul Macet - Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:42:29 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66451 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66446
>>The further from the center of mass you can place a thruster, the more maneuverability you have along that axis
Which at warp, if nacelles are the centers of thrust for warp displacement, vertically oriented nacelles (as opposed to saucer) would still have the same maneuverability advantages/disadvantages as the normal configuration, just along a different axis. The center of thrust at impulse is the impulse reactor, which is behind the middle of the saucer anyway, so it wouldn't matter which direction the saucer was facing again, it just limits the left to right movement, as the current configuration limits up and down movement, which in space, is just as dangerous. I don't know why this is so hard to get, but it makes the battle with khan make a lot more sense to me.

>>routinely go under manual piloting.
Naw. Even when we see people at the helm, they aren't flying by stick, the computer is doing most of the work. As Wesley tells Lore, they just have to set a heading, which is a fraction of the total work to actually to get the ship to adjust its velocity to head in that direction. That's why it's so outrageous that time Picard actually takes control with only the thrusters -- because normally the ship would have to do all the calculations to account for inertia. Even in real spaceships, its impossible to fly only by stick, which is why we have reaction control systems way back to the earliest manned spaceflight. In reality, the computer would be doing all of it, humans would be lucky to even have a say in where the ship went in a combat situation, as the computer would always be able to handle it better.

>> wide view sticking out the top of the saucer. The viewscreens
The viewscreen isn't a window in the prime timeline, except in discovery, which doesn't count. So this has nothing to do with it. You could have an vertical saucer and a horizontal viewscreen, because its just an output from cameras (or, a holographic integration of many different camera feeds in my headcanon.) The whole idea of a bridge and a viewscreen is metaphorical, I think. Really, they would be in some spherical augmented reality environment, deep in a heavily armored section, perhaps separated and communicating virtually so no one strike could take out all CNC personnel.

>>Roddenberry's original vision of the bridge as being this wide viewing platform
What? He could have had the viewscreen be a window on the original enterprise, and deliberately didn't do it. He did deliberately include actual windows in the top of both bridges, which also doesn't make sense. It's really dumb to have your command and control section have a big open section to space. I don't care how much transparent aluminum it is, it can't be as strong as actual hull.

>>You don't throw ergonomics out of the window for manned spacecraft,
There's tons of ergonomics in the bridge and rest of interior sections. That has nothing to do with how the hull is shaped.

Anyway, I'm off the vertical starship rant. I like em, you don't, it's an aesthetic thing, gustibus est non disputandem, but we can't pretend there's a logical, objective reason the enterprise ought to be configured the way it is. It's just a design we're used to.
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Kang - Wed, 05 Dec 2018 23:07:51 EST ID:SlopDdgf No.66453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66451
>as the computer would always be able to handle it better.
That doesn't make manual controls useless. You can go use the NASA flight simulator if you can get an appointment. It's monumentally difficult to get yourself out of any kind of spin, but they still train for it.

>The viewscreen isn't a window in the prime timeline
That's a practical filming issue, you can see how Roddenberry wanted it to be in The Cage. There is supposed to be a window.

The Shenzhou is the bad one. It has a wide window but the bridge is on the bottom, so they can't look up, which is the other direction humans are good at looking.

>I don't care how much transparent aluminum it is, it can't be as strong as actual hull.
None of these ships can do shit about a torpedo aimed at the bridge with the shields down one way or the other. That's also what the battlebridge is for.

Fact of the matter is, if the bridge wasn't meant to be a viewing platform, there's absolutely no reason for it to be on the outer edge of the ship. It should be an internal room at the center of mass of the saucer like the battle bridge is for the secondary hull.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 22:05:46 EST ID:pA4PLfmO No.66466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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A vertically oriented ship could have a place in fleet formations, especially if heavily armed to deal with flanking. It wouldn't be something you'd utilize as a 'main' ship in combat though, as it would serve better as a weapons platform and shield. Especially with the design of Federation warp cores in any era past Enterprise, you are adding in either extra risk or unneeded complexity with a tall ship. But you could utilize the tallness to stack multiple cores, and you have more surface area for phaser arrays, forcing an enemy to spread their weapons fire out or to pick and choose whether they're going to target the warp engines or weapon arrays.

But long ships are better for your average Starfleet mission. Less of your ship is presented when facing your enemy or retreating, allowing for concentration of the shields for maximum protection for minimal energy costs.
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Li Nalas - Thu, 13 Dec 2018 02:49:15 EST ID:fj92bOOB No.66513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:50:31 EST ID:C+PnF/1G No.66552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey you know that deformity that some sharks can have where they only have one eye and they die as little infant sharks?

Let's make that into a Galaxy-class derived starship! This engineer exchange with the Pakled sure was a good idea!
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Kevin Mulkahey - Tue, 12 Mar 2019 14:54:08 EST ID:4xG8xdJJ No.66702 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66552
I don't care, looks cute.
More like a child with down syndrome cute but what the hell.

And it's still better than the "lets kerbal it" abomination next to it.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:45:32 EST ID:pRn2Hy3L No.66703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66702
It feels like the kind of Federation ship a suicidal Klingon would make, or Section 31. Bridge and computer core located directly above/below the warp core/antimatter storage containers so if it ever was in danger of capture you could just blow up the core and destroy any compromising data (like you being stationed on the thing).
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Guinan - Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:14:28 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.66710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66703
Still probably safer than (pic related)
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Guinan - Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:17:29 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.66711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66710
speaking of look at this elegant thing
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Deanna Troi - Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:38:57 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.66713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66710
you would need some top gun piloting skills.
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Grimp - Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:43:50 EST ID:NWIrh9SS No.66734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66711
That's just the freighter which did your weekly space weed deliveries back when you had a bar planetside though.

I did that trip once. Three thousand meter long decks, no holodeck, does warp 6 if it's in a hurry.

Did you know it's possible to replicate an office chair (with wheel oiled wheels), a giant CO2 fire exinguisher and baguette (crunchy but soft on the inside)? It's fucking hard but when you have that much time on your hands and need to keep your mind off all the 10 megatonnes of Romulan Ale and Super Klingon Haze just below your feet you suddenly find the motivation to learn a skill.

That was a pretty good tour, I'm a master jouster. Unfortunately we had a lot of breadcrumbs to get rid of and only realised 1 day from port. Probably close enough that the bread mass on deck showed up on any decent sensor array. Fortunately as it was the home of your bar everyone was probably too hungover to notice us running up and down the deck with fusion powered Henry's. Those are also quite hard to replicate but again when the only further down is an Oberth in the neutral zone you get really good at doing things quickly if they'll avoid pissing off any admirals. My next posting was with a ball buster called Jellico, 9 months of hell but we got shit done and apparently it looks great on your resume when you apply to crew a Galaxy class with a 4 year mission to patrol the Risa cluster.
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Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 00:54:41 EST ID:U9sJ1b5Q No.66753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66710
Am I the only one who thinks the Oberth isn't a terrible looking design, at least when viewed bottom up? I think the top of the saucer is ugly as all getout but the bottom has a futuristic design.

Also it's my headcanon that the lower part of an Oberth isn't an engineering pod at all but a self contained science unit that utilizes warp coils and an antimatter reactor , creating a dampening field to cancel out the emissions of the ship proper and take ultra-precise readings of anything it scans. The reason the pod is mounted that way is the sensor pod first calibrates to the ship's EPS conduit system, and that the warp nacelles are used to power the sensor array, the nacelles discharging like they are sending the ship to warp, but instead divert their power into the sensor pod to send out intense pulses to penetrate into phenomena that regular ship's sensors can't penetrate.
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Ambassador Soval - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:43:42 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66753
I love the Oberth, idk why it gets so much hate. There's a lot of fun ways to twist the classic starship shape, not everything has to be a sleeker constitution.
Also I think you just put more thought/made more detailed lore explanation for the shape than the creators ever did.
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Eliminator Leck - Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:25:53 EST ID:NWIrh9SS No.66763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66761
The Oberth as a design is okay. You just don't want to be posted on one. Well I mean I guess maybe you do. I mean it's probably better for your family than shooting yourself.
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Tue, 19 Mar 2019 19:21:49 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66763
>>You just don't want to be posted on one.
Why? If you're in starfleet to lean on the 'explore new worlds' and less on the 'set phasers on fun' angle, it would be pretty sweet. You know you're going to get the most interesting, detailed scientific projects where your skillset will actually be put to use, you know you'll never be ordered to the front line, your odds of dying in a space-based technicolor laser show are dramatically reduced compared to other postings. I would jump at it.
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Senator Pardek - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 12:53:53 EST ID:fj92bOOB No.66779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66761
It's interesting to look at and it's distinct without looking out of place in the fleet but it's also kinda retarded if you think about it in practical terms like personnel moving between the hulls.
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The Doctor - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:36:11 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66779
>>it's also kinda retarded if you think about it in practical terms like personnel moving between the hulls.
It's definitely not the only trek ship that has this problem. How exactly the fuck do you get around on a D'deridex?
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Silik - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:08:20 EST ID:NWIrh9SS No.66787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>66784
It all looks very linked up, the narrow bits are a couple of decks there. There would have to be some sort of spinal turbolift or something to get you from end to end at the top and bottom few decks. If it were a klingon ship you'd just stand on a really fast moving platform as it accelerates at a rate measurable in G but it's Romulan so it'd be a really spartan austere but well made and ultimately very safe experience.
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Emperor Sompek - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:25:21 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>66787
>>some sort of spinal turbolift or something to get you from end to end at the top and bottom few decks.
Well, like, the Oberth has turbolifts too, man.


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