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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 21:24:52 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65896
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poop!
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 21:37:36 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65897 Ignore Report Reply
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Did you make this thread to argue with me about Voyager instead of responding to my witty use of shitty 70s album covers? I'm truly touched Icyborg.

Anyway, Voyager is not poop. not poop!
People wouldn't hate Voyager so much if it was a man constantly breaking the prime directive. They would say he was doing what was necessary to save his crew (like basically what they say when every other captain breaks the PD) but when it's Janeway doing it, it's because she's a sycophantic bitch who just is too simple to understand it. And coffee. She's just a crazy bitch obsessed with coffee! Lock her up! We never found out what happened to those 30,000 starfleet communiques, did we?
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Ambassador Soval - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:45:43 EST ID:QGaFhdtZ No.65898 Ignore Report Reply
>>65897
I honestly think that Janeway was a man, she'd be accused of being a psychotic, homicidal crappy Kirk clone and that Voyager was botched attempt to create a 1990s rehash of TOS.
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Ambassador Soval - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:58:44 EST ID:QGaFhdtZ No.65899 Ignore Report Reply
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>>65898
I mean I kinda doubt most people who thought her decision with Tuvix was wrong would think she would be in the right if she was a man. Sure you get the occasional guy who wants to rape her, but I think for the most part the issues with Janeway and Voyager as a whole is less about gender and more about the writers ignoring the original premise of a crew trying to desperately survive and go back home and regressing it to summer camp adventures in space.

There probably would be a lot more gay porn though.
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:58:59 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65900 Ignore Report Reply
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>>65898
>> psychotic, homicidal crappy Kirk clone
you could just say a Kirk clone

>>Anan 7: Terribly sorry but our computers say we're going to have to vaporize your crew
>>Kirk: SCOTTY GLASS THIS ENTIRE BITCH PLANET IF THIS MOTHAFUCKER DOESNT CHANGE HIS WHOLE SOCIETY TO SAVE OUR DUMBASSES
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Admiral Hayes - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:59:59 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65901 Ignore Report Reply
>>65900
hey it worked
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 23:04:14 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65902 Ignore Report Reply
>>65899
Hey man I'm not going to sit here and try to defend Tuvix or salamander sex or anything like that. Voyager has some stinkers, but so do all Trek. Those episodes are just purely bad, and its best not to think about them...but there are also episodes like that in every series. People usually don't use the spectacularly bad takes the captains make in some episodes as a reason to say that captain was especially criminal, except with Janeway.

(Not that anyone in this thread said that -- yet, but it's one of the reasons people hate on VOY)

For the record, Kirk breaks the PD a lot more often than Janeway. And he's the best captain, so what does that tell you? nb4dp
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Kotan Pa'Dar - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 23:46:45 EST ID:ZR416Pa+ No.65903 Ignore Report Reply
>>65896
>>65896
Voyager is sucks but it has nothing to do with Janeway being a woman as >>65897 says. Breaking the Prime Directive is fine under a justifiable circumstance. Whatever. Who cares.

Voyager is terrible for a whole mess of reasons.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 00:20:53 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65904 Report Reply
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>>65897
Yes.


Voyager IS terrible for a whole mess of reasons though. One of the things that is literally consistent throughout the entire show is that most of the characters themselves aren't even likable. I also feel like it's pretty dull aesthetically. I mean all of the different series have their own distinct look and feel, but Voyager's just feels dull and shitty and doesn't stand out to me in a good way most of the time.

Neelix had great potential to be a real nigga. That motherfucker could scrounge up anything and make it into a meal. That's pretty awesome except he's also a fucking doofus. He should have been more like chef Gordon Ramsay. Tuvok is one of the few redeeming characters, maybe just because he's one of the few Vulcans I think are played by actors that actually do it well.

But VOY sure is a stinker. Does anyone have that old ms paint image where all the other captains are saying VOY is the worst and Janeway is crying? I sure could use that right now.
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Kes - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 01:40:10 EST ID:4WVh8sFm No.65906 Ignore Report Reply
>>65904

VOY sucks and gives me a unique headache that I've only ever experienced from watching VOY

but fuck I'd still watch VOY over the abortion that was ENT any day
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Samson - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 02:21:06 EST ID:GmWYq6a9 No.65907 Ignore Report Reply
>>65897
actually, it's more because she consistently makes poor decisions and regularly breaks the moral code she endlessly preaches about. nice virtue signaling though, Soros would be proud
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Lorian - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 03:35:47 EST ID:LG0B5Tl+ No.65908 Ignore Report Reply
Voyager is awful and is miles better than anything to come along in the Trek franchise since it ended.
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Commander Morag - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 05:10:40 EST ID:MUJ4M6tq No.65909 Ignore Report Reply
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Voyager feels like an elaborate fanfic to me, and not the good kind (you know what I'm talking about).
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Q - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:50:53 EST ID:0KyxXOfA No.65922 Ignore Report Reply
>>65904
Voyager had plenty of good episodes such as: Deathwish, Living Witness, Tuvix, Riddles, Future's End, Scorpion, The Killing Game, Year of Hell, Equinox, Think Tank, Dark Frontier, Blink of An Eye, Flesh and Blood, Repentance, Q2, and Author, Author.

All trek has good & bad episodes with the possible exception of Discovery.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:10:23 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.65924 Report Reply
>>65922
Yes exactly. A bad show can have a few good episodes and a good show can have a few bad episodes. It's still Trek so of course it has a few episodes worth watching, but as a series over all, it's POOP! :'(

I genuinely didn't think Discovery would be worse than Voyager, I'm surprised that it is.
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Legate Hovat - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:47:25 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65926 Ignore Report Reply
Which Trek is the worst live-action Trek besides Discovery? (there are only two possible options) YOUR VOTE MATTERS /1701/
https://www.strawpoll.me/16583549
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Thy'lek Shran - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 19:00:39 EST ID:Qo4yytmf No.65961 Ignore Report Reply
>>65926
You forgot the nutrek Films unless they're coming under the heading of Discovery.
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Ardon Broht - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 19:02:28 EST ID:MAmh0J8l No.65962 Ignore Report Reply
>>65926
Star Trek: Picard
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Hadley - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:35:26 EST ID:NDIM0gAI No.65966 Ignore Report Reply
i didn't even realize the Tuvix thing was a controversy. i know tonally it's really bad to have your fucking captain drag a man against his will to die but that's just an example of the show's terrible writing. ethically i always thought you're ending one person's life to save/resurrect two persons. two people with just as much right to live as Tuvix, and with their right to exist being deliberately impeded by Tuvix. plus he was really unsettling to have around.

what do you guys think Space UN Secretary General Picard would have done? he would have deliberated unto infinity until Q or someone just destroyed Tuvix anyway, solving his problem for him while allowing him to still feel moral. like there's no way you can write that plot with Picard. And with Kirk, his loyalty and love for his friends would have caused it to not even be an episode-length plot. If Spock and Bones merged in a transporter accident Kirk would kill that motherfucker to get his men back with absolutely no deliberation.
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Kirayoshi O'Brien - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:07:58 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.65967 Ignore Report Reply
>>65966
I think Tuvix comes up a lot because it's a single event. A lot of "lolvoyager" requires paying attention at least a little bit to notice how schizo Janeway gets from ep to ep
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Dr. T'Pan - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 15:29:05 EST ID:yXwL2Sl1 No.65968 Ignore Report Reply
>>65967
This. Tuvix is a touchstone that encapsulates fans' problems with Janeway. A lot of the shows are so forgettable that it's hard to recall examples of Janeway's multiple personality disorder contained therein.
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Roy Ritterhouse - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 15:34:00 EST ID:iaREEBzK No.65969 Ignore Report Reply
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>>65967
Absolutely everything wrong with Voyager was 100% on the writers. The entire cast did a great job.

Ethan Phillips did a great job portraying the worst possible character ever, and we have to commend him for that. That fucking asshole.

Enterprise though, had a good amount of bad motherfuckin' acting.
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Joret Dal - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:55:32 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.65972 Ignore Report Reply
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>>65961
>>You forgot the nutrek Films
See, the film franchise isn't really the actual franchise. I guess I should have said 'live-action series' but I think most people mentally naturally group the TOS-crew movies with TOS, TNG with TNG, and jj with a pile of shit, so they don't even enter into the question (like, why it would be meaningless to include Discovery as an option.)

Anyway, I concede that most people seem to rank VOY below ENT, although there is a small band who flip the ordering. Mostly, I am amazed that there are 18 people who use this board regularly.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:12:31 EST ID:L/B0hL6r No.65975 Report Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal R Richards - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:36:45 EST ID:b2kjICL7 No.65976 Ignore Report Reply
Voyager > Star Trek: Discovery
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Private W Woods - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:48:10 EST ID:ZHnZkTaX No.65977 Ignore Report Reply
>>65976
Of this there is no doubt.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:54:54 EST ID:L/B0hL6r No.65978 Report Reply
>>65961
But that's irrelevant to our argument.
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Lt. Diana Giddings - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:31:06 EST ID:KGL1tgWI No.66023 Ignore Report Reply
>>65975
TOS > ENT
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Benny Russell - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:31:51 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66026 Ignore Report Reply
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>>66023
Undeniable truth. TOS > all
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Dr. Mora Pol - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:10:28 EST ID:ZR416Pa+ No.66028 Ignore Report Reply
>>66026
Also Truth: TOS is very overrated and in some cases fucking unwatchable.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:55:33 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.66029 Ignore Report Reply
>>66023
This but also this >>66028
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Hoshi Sato - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:48:53 EST ID:pYzxqTIN No.66030 Ignore Report Reply
>>66028
Plebeian
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Benny Russell - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:23:49 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66031 Ignore Report Reply
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>>66028
Also Truth: DS9 is very overrated and in some cases fucking unwatchable.

I'll find the small thermal exhaust port to your feels reactor if it spaces me.
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:36:41 EST ID:wGwrr3RR No.66032 Ignore Report Reply
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I could give a Tribble's ass how anybody ranks the old shows at this point. I've seen 'em listed every which way. I just want to say how much it pleases me to see Trek fans nerdily discussing Star Trek and not getting distracted by CBS dangling shiny objects at them in the form of Klingons that look how they're supposed to and Enterprises that don't.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 00:24:28 EST ID:7hZAtms2 No.66033 Report Reply
>>66032
Has season 2 started? I haven't even seen the season finale of season 1.
I was soooo hyped to have a new Trek show and now that it exists it's just one of those shows I "never get around to."

I have way more fun overanalyzing and nerding out on this board than I do watching STD.
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Ikat'ika - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:05:21 EST ID:DXC3IuTR No.66034 Ignore Report Reply
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voyager is garbage but meld is one of my favorite episodes of any st series
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Dr. Leah Brahms - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 17:58:01 EST ID:4xG8xdJJ No.66038 Ignore Report Reply
I like VOY better than almost any trek other than TNG and TAS (Which I like for a similar reason.)
It more touchy-feely and weird and still genuine trek. There is more open to interpretation since one episode doesn't take forever.

I also like early DS9 seasons more than later ones, I'm weird that way.
/unpopular opinion.
sue me.
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Quark - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:00:33 EST ID:SfiMcBo4 No.66039 Ignore Report Reply
>>66038
I liked early DS9 more on rewatches when I could better appreciate getting to watch the DS9 gang do Star Trek stuff instead of SF War Drama stuff
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Dr. Leah Brahms - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:05:23 EST ID:4xG8xdJJ No.66040 Ignore Report Reply
>>66039
Yeah exactly.
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Benny Russell - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:40:56 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.66042 Ignore Report Reply
>>66033
>> haven't even seen the season finale of season 1.
You know the spoiler for the end though, right? If not, I recommend it, it will increase your bodily saltiness levels by 9001%.

>>66038
>>I also like early DS9 seasons more than later ones, I'm weird that way.
Me too. Here's the thing about the later seasons; the build up is fantastic, but you know that the ending is a real let down (at least for me, season 7 kills it) so really it amounts to a big fat cock-tease.
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David Marcus - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:12:54 EST ID:lYx020t3 No.66043 Ignore Report Reply
>>66033
The lack of a canon connection really does it in. I'd have been willing to accept a new Trek that paid proper respect to what had come before, good or bad (looking at you Voyager), but doing a reboot and calling it prime was basically CBS telling me they no longer wanted me to pay attention to new Trek. Mission accomplished.


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