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Star Trek: State of the Franchise Address Ignore Report Reply
Guinan - Fri, 03 May 2019 02:53:08 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.67374
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For many of us here, Star Trek has been a defining part of who we are. And I think that's why it's been so hard lately, because it feels like over the past few years, since the end of TNG and DS9, it has drifted from its pinnacle of glory to something withered and sapped of its original spirit. Since the end of Enterprise especially, something seems to have fundamentally changed. And that is because it has.

You see, the company that owned Star Trek decided to split into two companies because the old man who ran it was old and thought it was a great idea for some reason. In this sudden corporate mitosis, Star Trek ended up in the possession of a company which once spurned it in favor of Lost in Space, CBS.. and CBS had no interest in making new Star Trek, but indeed enjoyed the fruits of its merchandising sales. But there remained executives at Paramount who saw the value of Star Trek even if they understood none of its philosophical values or substance, and though they could not truly comprehend what Star Trek was and what it meant, they yearned once more to profit from it. And so a deal was made, a deal which would hammer nail after nail into the coffin of our beloved franchise. It was a devil's bargain, for as it stands today, it seems to have irreversibly damaged the future of star trek, and in turn perhaps the future of us all. After all, Star Trek inspired us to go to the moon, it gave birth to the cell phone and the personal computer, it dreamed of the tablet and the laptop long before they could be reality. But most importantly of all, Star Trek gave us a vision that was not technical at all, a better future for everyone, and though it's a future that comes at great cost and only at the end of terrible wars. Star Trek carried the promise of hope, that whatever we cannot overcome with the power of technology and innovation, we can solve with the better angels of our nature. And it showed us that even in the dark unknown, even the most alien being, the Other, is ultimately much like us. There's a unifying and overwhelmingly inspiring power to the underlying promise of Star Trek, or perhaps it may be more prudent to say that there was.

Things have fundamentally changed because in this new agreement between Paramount and CBS, once one and the same, is built around the protection of merchandising rights for CBS on all the media that WE would actually consider Star Trek. CBS so greedily protects its revenue from the sales of DVDs, tribble slippers, shitty low grade action figures, shat hats, etc. that it went out of its way to destroy the production of the fan film known as Axanar. For those of you unfamiliar with this, I suggest you familiarize yourself. Suffice it to say, this fan film had used the kickstarter model and built up an impressive sum of money from trekkies like you and I, had netted a bunch of actual trek actors, and looked to be perhaps actually what we could call Trek. So CBS feared it. And CBS destroyed it. And in the process they imposed absurdly draconian rules on anyone who wanted to make a trek fan film and not get the shit sued out of them.

The end result of this mixture of paranoia and avarice on the part of CBS painted its attitude toward the deal which they struck with Paramount to make nuTrek 1, nuTrek:in darkness, and nuTrek Beyond, and all other properties, Discovery, and all the shitty cartoons they are about to unleash upon us. All these new shows are built on this contract, and the contract states that any new star trek cannot be too much like the old star trek. Or else.

Let me type that again just so it sinks in. They are contractually obligated to be sufficiently different from Star Trek.

And I am talking everything from uniform design to the way the ships look. I'm also talking about thematics, character development and the way stories are told. If they stray and make something TOO much like Star Trek that has already been made prior to the corporate mitosis event, then they risk being challenged in court under the terms of their contract for all their fucking DVD sales.

I want you all to be viscerally aware of this as the news of this new Picard show trickles out. I wouldn't be surprised if once again our tiny imageboard became inundated with astroturfed shills as it did in the weeks following the release of Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness. It didn't really seem like they gave a shit for us for STD but part of me just wonders if all the showrunners they fired actually posted here on /1701/ since it seemed half the shit that was planned and rejected was stuff we all fanwanked to here. Maybe they knew we were a lost cause. Maybe, just maybe, we are more important than we think. And when it comes to the Picard show, we are exactly the audience they seem to be pursuing...

I'd like to hope that Picard's show, someone said it will be called 'Destiny', can be good, can hearken back to the kind of TV that Star Trek was at its best, but I hesitate to get my hopes up because of the harsh reality of what I've laid out above and its ultimate ramifications. I'd like to see it be good enough to at least give us a fitting final requiem for an era of TV and fiction we were lucky to have lived to witness. Maybe it can be good enough to pump the breathe of life back into the franchise, but that seems by now to be so faint and diminishing of a hope that if it were to come to pass I might think I'd someone ended up back in the Nexus. One thing is for sure, if they don't have an Orchestral version of the Inner Light flute song as the intro for this show, it is guaranteed to fail.
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Chairman Koval - Fri, 03 May 2019 14:24:38 EST ID:3bM7qK3M No.67380 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67374

Star Trek is dead. Not the franchise itself, they will continue to make money off of it as long as they can, that is for sure, but Trek as we know and love is dead. And for good reasons imo. There was a lot of shit covered from TOS till Enterprise and at some point the past stuff weighs down new possibilities. So much was already covered, you got the established cannon and so on, at some point you gotta let it rest in peace and find new pastures. And I still watch Trek pretty much daily before going to sleep just as I come to this sub pretty much daily for the community but I let Trek go in terms of expecting new stuff that matches up to the past. And I understand that people want the thing that made them so happy to continue, same with video games and movies and books and all that, at some points its over. The sooner you realize the point has come and let go, the better it is for you. There is so much good scifi out there, it just isn't called Star Trek anymore.

RIP Star Trek, it was a hell of a ride.
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Species 8472 - Fri, 03 May 2019 15:09:22 EST ID:TcSMTlpl No.67382 Ignore Report Reply
>>67374
Pre-reboot CBS basically liquidated all of their Trek assets other than the lucrative syndication rights and infinite DVD releases. Almost every official fan magazine and club was cut off from contact or, where possible, shut down entirely. As far as CBS is concerned original Trek was dead until the massive nostalgiawave the west has been going through hit combined with the BBT influence of everyone wanting to bandwagon being a 'geek' never a nerd, geek is the cool one from what I can tell meant the name could sell again even if the substance was fundamentally different.

They realised they could take generic action movies or so-called 'TV Golden Age' arcing soap operas and slap on the trek branding and normalfags would eat it up because it gave them the chance to partake in generic guilty pleasure entertainment but use social media to brag about being a 'geek' like sheldon on that funny tv show.

This is why what was once a fundamentally optimistic franchise is now infested with cynicsm because the current trend is 'gritty' entertainment. Not realistic entertainment but overly dark stuff where everyone dies and characters get to make minutes long monologues to the screen because the writers can't handle show over tell. ENT and VOY had their flaws but at least they were honest attempts rather than committeed to death trend chasing. The Orville has plenty of issues too but it's the same: the fundamental goal behind the series is something more than just being the newest thing that'll be forgotten in ~10 years time. Even were STD not to exist I'd count it as a Trek series because of that S1 more than S2.
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Belongo - Fri, 03 May 2019 21:50:07 EST ID:HeFO2p/X No.67390 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67374
All of that is absolutely true, and I think nothing but pain waits for trek fans in the near future, which will hopefully be followed by some sort of merciful death. "All Good Things..."

But, in the big picture, especially for some of the reasons you mentioned, I think the true 'story' of Trek has been ingrained in the minds of enough of the population that it will inevitably join the pantheon of the stories that humanity keeps retelling again and again. Trek is dead, long live Trek.
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Dr. T'Pan - Fri, 03 May 2019 21:59:08 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67391 Ignore Report Reply
Trek's been dead before.
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Torg - Sat, 04 May 2019 02:09:22 EST ID:mqpnEix9 No.67393 Ignore Report Reply
>>67391

But he got brought back in Spock III: The Search for Star Trek
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Vice Admiral Leyton - Sat, 04 May 2019 12:11:20 EST ID:qDcgc+HB No.67407 Ignore Report Reply
>>67390
>But, in the big picture, especially for some of the reasons you mentioned, I think the true 'story' of Trek has been ingrained in the minds of enough of the population that it will inevitably join the pantheon of the stories that humanity keeps retelling again and again. Trek is dead, long live Trek.
I'm hoping we get more shows like ORV which are directly inspired by Trek even if they don't share the name and specific characters. In the world of literature good SF has inspired other authors to tackle similar stories each making up their own world so there's no reason we can't have that on TV.
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Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Sun, 05 May 2019 04:32:20 EST ID:60zgf9Xq No.67415 Ignore Report Reply
>>67407

yes, this will be our only hope
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DaiMon Bok - Sun, 05 May 2019 09:47:00 EST ID:byRgzBbN No.67417 Ignore Report Reply
Why I am accursed to find out about cool shit only as the wave is dying? I finished Lost right when no one remembered it was a show anymore. I finished Breaking Bad right when Better Call Saul came out so no one cared. I hit 60 in Vanilla WoW right when BC came out. I finished TNG right when STD came out. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rekelen - Mon, 06 May 2019 15:38:42 EST ID:60zgf9Xq No.67438 Ignore Report Reply
>>67417
Did you ever wonder if maybe it was you that killed them?
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Guinan - Tue, 07 May 2019 15:29:51 EST ID:D65nZOLV No.67447 Ignore Report Reply
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>>67438
>>67417
All Hail Daimon Bok
Destroyer of Worlds
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Lt. George Primmin - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:50:07 EST ID:qK+lGh3r No.67542 Ignore Report Reply
Seems the Picard series will follow the distribution model of STD, CBS access for us poor NA plebs, with an international release with amazon prime now that netflix started expecting results instead of floundering. I'm sure people have signed on for that service, I personally have yet to see a single episode of the nuTreks.
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Turanj - Fri, 17 May 2019 01:40:52 EST ID:5SVJcPG+ No.67546 Ignore Report Reply
>>67542
I've actually been seeing a number of new shows popping up on my trackers as coming from CBS All-Access. STD is now only one of many shows that they are currently airing and there is certainly more to come. To me that seems it is doing a lot better than expected especially from early predictions.

With them having a picard series and a pike series confirmed and floating the idea of other STD series I doubt STD will end soon as many of us hoped.

I hope they end it next season but make way for much more true to form Trek shows with the Pike and Picard shows plus whatever else. I'd say at least an animated show as they have been floating that harder than any other potential show that hasn't been confirmed. .

I can UL them for you if you want as well. it is widely available all over the place if you are talking STD or the new movies though. Public and Private trackers, DDL sites, usenet, IRC, DC hubs, etc. Pretty much everywhere.
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Natima Lang - Fri, 17 May 2019 15:22:40 EST ID:gOUFeB9G No.67555 Ignore Report Reply
>>67546
if it was doing good they wouldn't need to license out their exclusive shows.
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Darien Wallace - Sat, 18 May 2019 00:51:06 EST ID:5SVJcPG+ No.67557 Ignore Report Reply
>>67555
Tons of shows have been licensed out from pretty much everywhere. Its a very common practice. nb
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Guinan - Sat, 18 May 2019 00:54:29 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.67559 Ignore Report Reply
>>67557
Yeah but you dont do it when you're trying to draw people to your new streaming service unless you aren't making enough consistent money in that regard. At least not unless you're a full fledged pakled.
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Sun, 19 May 2019 02:37:36 EST ID:5SVJcPG+ No.67565 Ignore Report Reply
>>67559
Yeah, its dumb to take your US exclusive streaming service shows and license them out to other countries for extra cash.
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Guinan - Sun, 19 May 2019 04:04:24 EST ID:b048m/L8 No.67567 Ignore Report Reply
>>67565
Didn't realize it was US-exclusive. I know there's issues with regional rights but if you are CBS and you like money and also own the rights to your shit why would you do that? They could be making even more money (but that's only assuming their streaming service is actually successful since we have no real metrics). I don't really think it's as common as you imply either.
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Montgomery Scott - Sun, 19 May 2019 06:59:44 EST ID:V7km0UnK No.67570 Ignore Report Reply
>>67542
Far as I know, all this new Star Trek airs over the air in Canada.
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Jennifer Sisko - Sat, 25 May 2019 19:20:20 EST ID:gOUFeB9G No.67653 Ignore Report Reply
>>67570
you guys still run with antenna? How's living at 440p?
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Keiko O'Brien - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 07:56:32 EST ID:8Tu6WKEq No.67797 Ignore Report Reply
>>67653
Dial up here. 440p is dope. I usually don't have time for it though.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:57:16 EST ID:RDQqLSgJ No.67800 Ignore Report Reply
>>67653
hd is broadcast around cities in canada, you'll get three or four channels, local shit
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Prophet - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 20:55:55 EST ID:8Tu6WKEq No.67801 Ignore Report Reply
This is kind of shallow, but I wish the choreography in Trek was better. Like when they're fighting, or when they're just shaking around (the ship is being shot, etc.). Same with Star Wars IV, V, and VI. Someone redid the fight between Vader and Obi-Wan in IV. It was pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2SMng4u1k
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I.G. Keval - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:49:36 EST ID:bOlOhkyn No.67814 Ignore Report Reply
>>67801
I like the theory of that, but in practice it blows the "shit just got real" aspect of Empire's fight when Vader starts tossing things around.
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Subaltern Lorot - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 19:26:55 EST ID:LxgWfzNu No.67815 Ignore Report Reply
>>67814
Yeah the fights in the original 3 were more symbolic and about the characters than exercises in technical choroegraphy. The first part of the fight was really good but that's a bit of a "jumping the shark" moment where it turns into SFX ballet and it just drags. If Vader had hurled the barrels than then just crushed him a few seconds later that'd be badass it'd show that he was just toying with Kenobi and underline what the scene depicts. Which is Kenobi is outclassed and weak and Vader is still strong... but then it keeps going and going. And it doesn't add anything, it's just sci fi ballet filler. This happens a lot on the bad star wars too. That fight scene in episode 1 that's 3 years long.

I think I was told about tension ideally following a curve that goes up until near the end, peaks then falls away. With each scene following this and the overall curve of a film or book or game also following it. Having a huge plateau actually makes it worse.

It's not the length it's just the large padding that does nothing. The choreography is good but they could have cut half that scene out and it'd be better.
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Yeggie - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:33:53 EST ID:byRgzBbN No.67819 Ignore Report Reply
>>67814

gotta respect that saber toss move tho
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Mordoc - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:23:48 EST ID:yVrf+Mmr No.67820 Ignore Report Reply
>>67819
That didn't happen until return and even then it wasn't really a move, he just checked his saber. Then video games made it a force move and eventually decided Jedi don't even need to use hands but they are all too stupid to figure it out.
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Kalita - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:21:53 EST ID:byRgzBbN No.67823 Ignore Report Reply
>>67820

i know that nigga, i used to teach dueling classes on jk2. im just saying it was well executed in the clip, good creativity. not that its accurate to canon nerd


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