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!lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:52:13 EST vBMrFUeP No.64230
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Continuing from the previous thread >>53706, bump when watching Star Trek.

If ya smell what Tsunkatse is cookin’
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Bernardo Calvera - Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:16:13 EST bJrisuWk No.64231 Reply
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just finished tos yet again, and half way thru tas already...I really love tas even though its weird as hell
never stop trekkin yo
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Major Rakal - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 06:45:45 EST 0ftz1fs8 No.64237 Reply
Watching "Remember me," for the first time. Great episode!
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Legate Damar - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:48:23 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64238 Reply
>>64233
So, related question - I want to do a Trek binge. In order. Does anyone know the correct order for such a thing? I want to include the movies.

Also, can you get TAS online legally or do I have to torrent that shit?
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Turanj - Sat, 31 Mar 2018 21:04:37 EST DStF7Vev No.64240 Reply
>>64238
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o6us9n0goawsn9q/AAAngF-Xu0NDLR37XjB7YQ9Ha?dl=0

In my mind there are two ways to do it. I have done it both ways and find them both pretty decent. You can go TOS>TAS>TNG/DS9/VOY mixed together as they aired>ENT

or ENT>TOS>TAS>TNG/DS9/VOY

I usually do it the first way to be honest but I always watch the TNG/DS9/VOY block in order. There are a couple crossover episodes but it also helps keep things fresh going between the series like that. Aside from watching a single episode here and there I almost never just watch a single series. Once I get in a mood I'll do it all at once. I've watched the whole franchise all the way through at least once a year for the last 10 years or so and I most often opt for option A. I think it just flows better instead of starting with ENT and then going into TOS.

As for the films I would recommend watching them as they come chronologically mixed in with the shows as well. Its all in the link above.
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Senator Tal'aura - Sun, 01 Apr 2018 01:49:07 EST l5TvN503 No.64241 Reply
>>64238
Most people just watch them in order of release. All of the TOS movies are based after the series I believe. They'd probably be best to watch back to back. Same with TNG, watch the full series then the movies.

Or it would probably be pretty interesting to try doing it in chronological order like the guy above me suggests. Maybe I should try that when I finally decide to watch them all again.
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Captain Paul Rice - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 15:06:27 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64248 Reply
>>64241
I think I'm gonna go with the order they were released in. At least this time. Have to find TAS though.
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Geordi La Forge - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 00:57:10 EST DStF7Vev No.64250 Reply
>>64248
I can put it on Mega for you if you would like.
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Geordi La Forge - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 01:00:07 EST DStF7Vev No.64251 Reply
>>64248
I think that is the right way to do it the first time IMO. Just do the TNG/DS9/Voy together and not separately. Chronological is cool to view a couple times but I think production order is the best way to go especially for the first time. ENT>(I guess Disco, ugh)>TOS just doesn't transition that well IMO. Its fine if you have seen prod order a few times but not great for a first full watch.

NB double post
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Gul Evek - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 19:04:34 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64259 Reply
>>64250
That would be greatly appreciated, fellow Anon.

Yeah, so I just started watching TOS since, well, it seems the logical choice. Gotta say The Cage is a weird one. Sort of like watching Proto-Trek. Spock has emotions...Pike is Captain. Majel Barrett is Number One??? Fucking crazy! And Pike is basically an angry asshole, especially when compared to the cooler headed Picard. Anyway, it was a strange watch. On to The Man Trap now and some good old Kirk and the boys...
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Thot Pran - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:28:06 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64260 Reply
>>64259
So, almost done with The Man Trap from TOS, and I gotta say, the Netflix rip of TOS is really fucking nice. It looks like it was possibly remastered from the original negs, because the colors are fantastic. It actually looks better than broadcast. It actually shows how much work and detail they put into TOS sets and costumes. The little details show up nice and sharp. The exterior shots of Enterprise orbiting a planet look fucking great. Lot of high quality work on the mattes and compositing and shit. For 1960s tech, it is really top notch. Very much enjoying the Netflix Trek product here.
nb
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Ulis - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:15:16 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64261 Reply
>>64260
the HD transfers of TOS are very nice
the Special Edition is fairly tasteful, too
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Miles O'Brien - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 14:05:27 EST l5TvN503 No.64265 Reply
>>64260
I didn't know that Trek was on Netflix. Is this new? Possibly a part of the deal they had with CBS?

Do they have all the series?
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Thot Pran - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:36:48 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64266 Reply
>>64265
Well, just discovered that Netflix has ALL the series except of course STD. Even TAS.

What they don't have, oddly is any of the movies. For that you have to hit Amazon and rent everything but the JJ Trek movies, which of course are free...

Seriously, TOS looks gorgeous on Netflix. They pixel scrubbed the fuck out of it. Really nice. I am a bit worried that TNG and VOY will look like shit next to it. Especially if they use shitty rips from video tape and not remastered shots from the negs.
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Miles O'Brien - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 18:05:16 EST l5TvN503 No.64267 Reply
>>64266
I think if you get on an overseas vpn they have STD
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Ikat'ika - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 21:52:01 EST bJrisuWk No.64268 Reply
>>64266
netflix will get the movies back eventually, they rotate their movie selection for streaming but they have always had the trek seriess
if they stop streaming star trek i will bomb them
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Willie Hawkins - Sun, 08 Apr 2018 06:25:22 EST mbyjGwXO No.64291 Reply
>>64268

that would be a great news story to come across.

>Irate Loner attacks Netflix HQ Due to Termination of Star Trek Streaming
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Kimara Cretak - Mon, 09 Apr 2018 19:07:14 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64297 Reply
Watching S1E8 'What are Little Girls Made of?'
AKA
The One Where Kirk Kisses a Robot so Hard She Starts Killing
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Idrin - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:07:06 EST mbyjGwXO No.64315 Reply
>>64311

half of TNG episodes are about turning into creatures, aliens/spirits possessing bodies or creating dopplegangers, memories being tampered with, false realities projected into their minds, e t c
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Lt. JG Saavik - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:10:58 EST nsueGr8y No.64316 Reply
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>>64297
Hey now, you can't casually drop retitling episodes of trek like they're episodes of friends and expect ppl not to notice, this is god's work.

"The One Where They Go Where No One Has Gone Before"
"The One With Two Parties (Boarding Parties)"
"The One Where God Needs a Starship"
"The One Where the Gang Are Little Rascals Again"
"The One Where Everyone Turns into Bugs and Shit"
"The One Where They Fuck as Salamanders"
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Rionoj - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:31:20 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64317 Reply
>>64316
>"The One Where They Fuck as Salamanders"

Always a fan favorite....
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Ulis - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:00:39 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64320 Reply
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>>64315
Yeah they repeat plenty of plot tropes but the ones specifically where they transform all seem to be kind of meh.

Randomly watching more TNG. Just finished Hollow Pursuits and now I'm watching Realm of Fear. Barclay is an underrated character.
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Senator Pardek - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 01:14:15 EST G7ygUG3t No.64321 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Alexander Rozhenko - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 04:58:21 EST bJrisuWk No.64322 Reply
>>64316
so what are the first 2 you listed? I cant pinpoint them in the myriad of episodes floating in my brainspace
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Ulis - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 05:08:22 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64323 Reply
>>64320
More random eps. Just watched The Game. It was actually pretty enjoyable for a Wesley episode.
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Rionoj - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:25:58 EST bxa6inmD No.64324 Reply
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>>64322
"Where No One Has Gone Before" is in S1 TNG, where they go faster than warp to the end of the universe where thoughts are reality and shit...
"The One With Two Parties" is an episode of friends where they have to have two parties to keep Rachel's parents from crossing between them. Uhh, in Voyager 'Deadlock' two alternate versions of the ship get boarded by Viidians? I was reaching...
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Natima Lang - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 05:59:41 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64326 Reply
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>>64323
Fuck it imma just rewatch all of TNG. It's been long enough. Starting at season 3 cause 1 and 2 would be too much of a slog,
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Robert Wesley - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 11:03:53 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64329 Reply
>>64327
"The One Where Tasha Dies and Nobody Really Cares"
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The Traveler - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 13:18:45 EST yDo2d8GY No.64331 Reply
>>64326
There's quite a few good season 2 episodes. Don't skip the whole bunch as you miss
>the one where Riker boarded the enterprise
>the one where the judge wanted to fuck Picard
>the one where they were on drugs
>the one with pugil sticks
>the one with massive foreshadowing they didn't even know was foreshadowing


Okay the drugs one like 90% so bad its good and 10% good ending.
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Arne Darvin - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:07:09 EST bxa6inmD No.64332 Reply
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>>64331
you mean this one right?
>the one with massive foreshadowing they didn't even know was foreshadowing
das my fave
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The Traveler - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:44:45 EST yDo2d8GY No.64333 Reply
>>64332
No but it did foreshadow something related to that. Unless you're talking about an episode in S2

The one I'm talking about isn't a great episode but when you realise it's foreshadowing really well it's pretty cool.
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Arne Darvin - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 17:55:34 EST bxa6inmD No.64335 Reply
>>64333
well damn man are you ever gonna tell us which one it is?
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Jennifer Sisko - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:11:58 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64336 Reply
>>64230
Watching TNG episode The Offspring and they point out that Data cant use contractions ie say can't instead of cannot. Why would Data, one of the most advanced pieces of machinery in the federation be incapable of using a very simple language tool? That's the silliest thing I've encountered in all of Star Trek.
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Jennifer Sisko - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:11:59 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64337 Reply
>>64230
Watching TNG episode The Offspring and they point out that Data cant use contractions ie say can't instead of cannot. Why would Data, one of the most advanced pieces of machinery in the federation be incapable of using a very simple language tool? That's the silliest thing I've encountered in all of Star Trek.
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Jennifer Sisko - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:16:46 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64338 Reply
>>64328
I've seen them already and don't feel like watching them again. I'll probably go back and watch the doozies for the lols.
>>64337
Sorry for the double post
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B'Etor - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 07:16:55 EST mNyiL5Qb No.64339 Reply
>>64337
Because it's completely unimportant. If he wanted to say it faster he'd just say it faster. It's like, his asperger's quirk.
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Vice Admiral Nakamura - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:00:26 EST 8SbXOi9N No.64340 Reply
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>>64337
It's to show that Pinocchio is actually already a real little boy with his own special little boy opinions about things, even though he doesn't believe in magic yet.
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Chell - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:04:28 EST PGo9J1FU No.64341 Reply
>>64336
you can't admit to skipping then expect anyone to care. you gotta earn that question.
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Gor - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 16:52:05 EST l5TvN503 No.64355 Reply
>>64346
But why would Data go mad? Wouldn't he only go mad if his neural net or circuits or whatever had degraded?
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Guinan - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:18:51 EST RM6ExVLb No.64356 Reply
>>64355
You don't think his neural net would degrade after two years in the hard vacuum of interstellar space, being pelted constantly from cosmic rays? If you've ever had to reset your router for instance, it was likely because of one of the very few errant cosmic rays that was able to penetrate the natural deflector field generated by the earth
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Trentin Fala - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 18:20:55 EST oDV8iW5L No.64357 Reply
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>>64356
>interstellar radiation causes router interruptions
God damnit cosmos can you fuck off for a minute

On topic though Iirc positronic nets are fairly delicate right? I'd imagine if Data was trapped in space shit would go wrong pretty quick, plus Pakleds aren't exactly known for advanced computational repair
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Seskal - Sat, 21 Apr 2018 18:37:19 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64358 Reply
>>64357
>Implying Data wasn't well shielded from random cosmic rays that would make him do shit like become fully functional on Riker's beard....
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Donik - Wed, 02 May 2018 21:01:29 EST sjEA0muD No.64447 Reply
watching rocks and shoals
>odo we can't fight the cardassians
>ODO I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T FIGHT THE CARDASSIANS WITH ME
seriously fuck kira
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Colonel Lovok - Wed, 02 May 2018 22:47:13 EST ZItpwD6s No.64450 Reply
>>64447
this
worst character of the show along with jadzia

fuck them so much, i had tears of joy when she died and was replaced by the cute worthless whiny bitch
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 03 May 2018 02:19:20 EST 7hZAtms2 No.64451 Reply
>>64447
One of the absolute worst characters in Trek history.
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Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 11:30:42 EST ZItpwD6s No.64455 Reply
>>64450
what the fuck is this cat planet

fuck mods tbh

worthless whiny bitch = bestest waifu of ST
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Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 11:32:02 EST ZItpwD6s No.64456 Reply
test
worthless whiny bitch
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Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 11:33:56 EST ZItpwD6s No.64457 Reply
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>>64456
how do i even post filtered words here
the alt=1753 doesnt work

i cant delete my posts either
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Curzon Odo - Thu, 03 May 2018 12:57:45 EST 8JPkL8Si No.64460 Reply
>>64457
My advice is smoke more, chill out. Or lurk before further proving you are an idiot. Once you understand how things work you may one day become a valued member of the community.

cat planets are awesome jolly african-american. They are selected by the admin staff to wind up people. Everyone knows the cat planets, its not censorship, it's just there to wind up people who are too dumb or up their own arse to realise we all know exactly what words you typed in.

Kira's kind of a cunt but she's an interesting character and she becomes a much better person throughout the series. She is very much the mirror of Dukat. He's charming and affable but he glorifies his worst deeds while doubting their validity, he talks loyalty but will sacrifice it all for himself. Kira is uptight and obnoxious but she eventually concludes that what she did was necessary but terrible and she wants to leave it behind. Even in the earlier seasons she burns bridges to do what's right and her character starts maturing right out the gate.Duet is a great piece of TV and it wouldn't be if Kira wasn't a self righteous bitch (and a bit less of one at the start). Dukat is a lot more fun to watch generally though.

Jadzia is alright. I don't get why you'd hate her though.
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Colonel Lovok - Thu, 03 May 2018 14:07:13 EST ZItpwD6s No.64462 Reply
>>64460
i know what filters are fam, i'm not new to imageboards, just this one
alt+1753 is usually enough to go around them, idk why it didnt work here

the problem with jadzia is that her character is really really shallow, she's just there to be the eye-candy
i suppose the actress is to blame, the writers would look at her and think "i'm not wasting my time writing something for that bitch who cant act yo"
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Thu, 03 May 2018 15:14:45 EST WXr9kWPu No.64465 Reply
>>64462
Circumventing the cat planet can get you shoutout on @420bans so just deal with it. And, no, you can't delete your posts, so if you're prone to saying stupid shit then take that into account before you wade any deeper into these waters.

>"i'm not wasting my time writing something for that bitch who cant act yo"

Ah, that explains the dearth of Dax-centric episodes...

Terry Farrell was fine, but Jadzia was just too all over the place for me. From episode to episode, she'd switch from aloof and wise to sarcastic and childish to serious and professional, and never did it feel as if it were due to a past host's personality manifesting. It made her annoying, as too often the version of her we got that week would clash with the tone of the episode. It's really exemplified in "Dax" when she seemed almost catatonic while facing heavy accusations, and then later in "The Ship" when she decides to try her stand-up routine while the team is stranded, surrounded by Jem'Hadar, and everyone else is busy either trying to keep a guy from bleeding to death or trying to find a Founder.

Her successor's struggle with all the memories of Dax's hosts made her slightly more interesting to me, even if Nicole DeBoer wasn't quite as good an actress as Farrell. I wish she had debuted a season earlier so they didn't have to frontload season 7 with so much focus on her. I like her better than Jadzia, but I'd have preferred less focus on Dax in general throughout the series.
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Subcommander Velal - Thu, 03 May 2018 15:34:04 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64466 Reply
>>64465
Jadzia was basically Mr Kotter but with stories about her past hosts instead of relatives
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Thu, 03 May 2018 19:46:29 EST WXr9kWPu No.64471 Reply
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>>64466
>Julie, did I ever tell you about my sixth host Joran, the murderer? Yeah, he had to do it to keep Dax in him. You could say that he killed for the Trill of it.
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Valkris - Thu, 03 May 2018 19:52:00 EST 4WVh8sFm No.64472 Reply
>>64462
trying to get around the rules is just going to get you into more trouble

I'd keep your head down and lurk for awhile before making a bigger fool of yourself
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James Moriarty - Sat, 05 May 2018 10:59:16 EST bJrisuWk No.64486 Reply
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jadzia was eye candy, but certainly not the only one
but to outright dismiss her is kinda whack.
shes quite op and isn't afraid to act like it, stop being so mad

and shes fierce bitch
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 13:23:10 EST Baaf62Fx No.64488 Reply
>>64486
I don't think the chief complaint is power level rather than characterization. Her baseline character is clever, smart, empowered/"fierce," and uses Dax's memories like a rolodex and/or toolbox, calling upon what she needs when she needs it.

Problem is when you have a fleshed out character, it stands out more when they go off character. McCoy suffered from it on TOS, and the Mission Log podcast guys call it "Gumbification," meaning the writers stretch and morph the character to suit a situation, like Gumby morphs to get out of a fix. As they point out, it's just jarring. While Kirk or Spock or Sisko or Kira would be reasonably consistent in mood, behavior, and action, McCoy and Dax would sometimes be distilled down to one aspect of their personality or, worse, act altogether out of character. It's more annoying with Dax because both incarnations get so much attention. She's like a Voyager character.
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James Moriarty - Sat, 05 May 2018 14:31:29 EST bJrisuWk No.64489 Reply
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>>64488
maybe stop listening to podcasts and watch the shows man, every character goes out of character and its wack and funny, what you seem to consider jadzia going out of character to suit a situation is just showcasing her diversity.
nb shit discussion, i never should have responded in the first place
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 15:20:58 EST Baaf62Fx No.64490 Reply
>>64489
Yes, it totally stands to reason that someone who hasn't watched the shows would listen to a podcast dedicated to exploring the themes and messages of each episode. You're funny. It's also worth noting that they just got to DS9 and haven't voiced an opinion on Dax's overall characterization because they don't jump the timeline.

It's unfortunate you can't have a conversation about this. A more nuanced argument on your end might help those of us who Jadzia annoys to see your perspective and like her more. I agree that she's powerful and fierce, and those are great qualities. When she overindulges one of those aspects or decides to become a stoic or a comedian out of nowhere, it's distracting. Of course other characters suffer it as well, which is exactly why I used the Bones example-- it's happened since the beginning of Trek. It's just more egregious or recurring with some, and Jadzia, being such a central character in DS9, is with McCoy as the most high profile, non-Voyager examples.
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Vice Admiral Nakamura - Sat, 05 May 2018 18:14:51 EST 8JPkL8Si No.64491 Reply
>>64490
Moriarty is just annoyed because he realised Brocolli trapped him in a simulation.

While I can see your point I think most of the time she feels fairly consistent. Its not like Insaneway where she's consistently flip floppy, it is enough that now you mention it I see what you mean but not enough that I feel like it's a major feature. Most of the time she's characterised fairly well but she does suffer from writers struggling to balance young Jadzia with old man Dax and get the consistent blend the character should be.

I also don't think all Voyager characters are as twitchy. For all its flaws it's pretty consistent. Most of the characters are static, a couple change over time. Janeway and Chipotle are the main culprits and even in for the latter I'm not sure it's that he's inconsistent, he's just weak minded and a bit lame. He's a bold decisive character but but he will always defer to Janeway even when she's gone off the rails completely and is torturing people to death for fun. Its not like the human race depends on it and she'll regret it later either. Women throw themselves at him but he can't score with a woman so horny she made an irish holographic fucktoy and deleted his wife.
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 19:04:59 EST Baaf62Fx No.64492 Reply
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>>64491
>Moriarty is just annoyed because he realised Brocolli trapped him in a simulation.

"Excuse me, Doctor? N-now, I know you'll think I'm being paranoid again, but I'm sure that he's watching us from in there."

I'm probably being more analytical because I'm watching DS9 episodes more intensely since that podcast I mentioned is finally on to it. If seemingly off moments were implied to be a result of her tapping into Dax's memories I'd definitely be more forgiving, especially considering there are times when that is the case. Instead often it feels like how you described it- the writer's struggling with her.

The Voyager jab was glib. It's an easy target for poor Trek writing. Jadzia is nowhere near as bad as Janeway, and that show also suffered from the ensemble being diminished after Seven's arrival. The writer's had their favorites and did well with Seven and The Doctor. I'll have to give it a legit shot at a rewatch, as the beating it's taken being compared to STD has probably jaded me more than I know.
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Quark - Sun, 06 May 2018 21:23:30 EST 6q7f8dAn No.64511 Reply
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just watched The Enemy Within and now i want a horned space puppy.
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spoke - Mon, 07 May 2018 00:06:35 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64512 Reply
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>>64491
>Chipotle

Fuck I don't why i laughed so hard at that but I did.
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Enabran Tain - Mon, 07 May 2018 01:43:56 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64514 Reply
After running out of everything else I've finally decided to back and pick up where I left on Voy. Bout seven eps into season and damned if it hasn't gotten good. The third season law is real.
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Guinan - Mon, 07 May 2018 12:24:57 EST b048m/L8 No.64516 Reply
>>64514
Voyager had an uneven first season and a really bad second season. I mean they start out with "the 37s" one of Voyager's worst episodes.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD DELTA QUADRANT ALIENS GO TO EARTH FOR SLAVES
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Lorian - Mon, 07 May 2018 20:14:35 EST 5KHkThg8 No.64518 Reply
>>64517
Maybe not the placid half, but that angry one looks like a barrel of laughs.
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spoke - Tue, 08 May 2018 01:32:35 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64521 Reply
>>64516
Yeah second season was really off putting. Probably the weakest of all Trek second seasons. But like I said I'm digging season 3. Hell Neelix is even growing on me.
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Belongo - Wed, 09 May 2018 08:10:28 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64530 Reply
>>64521
Just watched Before and After. Damn I love it when trek does time shenanigan episodes.
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Herbert Rossoff - Thu, 10 May 2018 20:17:30 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64534 Reply
"Miri" from TOS
AKA The One Where Kirk Seduces A Pubescent Girl Into Telling Him Things
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Third of Five - Fri, 11 May 2018 17:06:38 EST ZJDmO03/ No.64538 Reply
>>64534
I remember the first time I watched that one, the Enterprise happening upon a duplicate Earth in the teaser had me really intrigued and looking forward to a good show. Then everything after the credits happened. For space brats in TOS, I actually prefer the one with Gorgon and his band of orphans.
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Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 11 May 2018 21:52:39 EST FjZ9V2nx No.64539 Reply
>>64538
Both are pretty insufferable. In fact all kid centric episodes of Trek are insufferable.
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Michael Eddington - Sat, 12 May 2018 21:26:27 EST ZJDmO03/ No.64542 Reply
>>64539
I can't wait to see how STD handles their inevitable kid episode(s).
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Porthos - Sat, 12 May 2018 23:14:40 EST l5TvN503 No.64543 Reply
>>64542
>Mommy, why do the terrorists hate us
>They hate the freedom the Federation gives us, honey. And that's why we gotta give em all we got!
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Yeggie - Sun, 20 May 2018 18:34:57 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64646 Reply
Dagger of the Mind AKA The One Where Kirk Runs Into Some Chick He Banged At A Christmas Party.
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Deanna Troi - Sun, 20 May 2018 20:47:43 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64647 Reply
The Menagerie Part 1 AKA The One Where Starfleet Somehow Still Has The Death Penalty
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Deanna Troi - Mon, 21 May 2018 19:14:26 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64662 Reply
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The Conscience Is King AKA The One Where Kirk Hits On A Chick In A Space Burqa...
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Benny Russell - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 23:25:21 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64781 Reply
The Return of the Archons. AKA The One Where Kirk Shits On The Prime Directive. Part I.
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Benny Russell - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 00:28:17 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64782 Reply
Space Seed AKA KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHNNN!!!!
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Douglas Pabst - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 22:29:59 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64795 Reply
Errand of Mercy AKA The One Where The Organians Predict The Federation/Klingon Alliance To Come

One of my top fave TOS episodes. That and Devil In The Dark.
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Gilora Rejal - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:40:52 EST Yb42b7BZ No.64798 Reply
>>64516
>"the 37s" one of Voyager's worst episodes.
That's one of my favourite Voyager episodes, why do you hate it?

Ok so Ensign Kim thinking an old Chevy truck was an early hover car is kind of dumb but the main story was enjoyable.
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Guinan - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:20:51 EST b048m/L8 No.64799 Reply
>>64798
Well it just doesn't make any kind of sense that a species advanced enough to traverse the galaxy from the alpha quadrant to the delta would a) have little to no need for slaves & b) if they did need slaves they could have saved a few thousand light years and gotten them from somewhere in the delta quadrant

Finally, the fact that these aliens are never seen because they were all killed off by a slave revolt seems kinda silly in light of the level of technology they'd need to be able to do all the rest of the shit

I enjoyed it as a kid but as an adult I couldn't understand how the script was greenlit
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Guinan - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:20:51 EST b048m/L8 No.64800 Reply
>>64798
Well it just doesn't make any kind of sense that a species advanced enough to traverse the galaxy from the alpha quadrant to the delta would a) have little to no need for slaves & b) if they did need slaves they could have saved a few thousand light years and gotten them from somewhere in the delta quadrant

Finally, the fact that these aliens are never seen because they were all killed off by a slave revolt seems kinda silly in light of the level of technology they'd need to be able to do all the rest of the shit

I enjoyed it as a kid but as an adult I couldn't understand how the script was greenlit
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Karyn Archer - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:51:04 EST HeFO2p/X No.64801 Reply
>>64800
I'm with Gilora on this one. Plenty of times dumb things happen in Trek for the sake of making a compelling narrative. I notice it's mostly personal preference which ones people are willing to overlook versus get peeved over.

Anyway, we know virtually nothing about the aliens from the 37s. Maybe they are slavers culturally, like the Hirogen are hunters culturally, and collect slaves from diverse parts of the galaxy as a kind of hobby despite having no real need? Or, maybe like the Klingons or Pakleds they stole the technology they needed to get spacefaring and thus are dependent on other life to do their grunt work.

Hell, for all we know the narrative about them being slavers was a self-serving creation myth for the human rebels, and the aliens were actually trying to rescue them from what they saw as a world on the brink of catastrophe. The 20th c humans, unwilling to go along with the demand of the aliens that they don't attack each other along nationalistic lines, overthrow them so they can be free to fight like humans do.

Anyway, I'm willing to forgive pretty much anything to let Janeway talk to Earhart, just like I'm willing to forgive anything to let Kirk talk to Lincoln. The justification is secondary to the dramatic impact.
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Guinan - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 20:23:17 EST b048m/L8 No.64802 Reply
>>64801
A fair point.I still have a hard time not skipping this one though.
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Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:13:18 EST H3jb/nk7 No.64806 Reply
>>64801
The one where Lincoln shows up is stupid as hell, too.
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Prophet - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 14:08:30 EST bbZcChIZ No.64807 Reply
>>64801
I just assumed they only wiped out the alien presence on that planet and for whatever reason the aliens never came back. Maybe the alien species was on the verge of extinction or something, or maybe there was a cultural shift around this time and by the time anyone noticed the world had gone dark they didn't care.

It's a bit of a plot hole but there's a lot of possible explanations for it. Maybe the you're right, maybe the revolt was part of the alien's plan and it was staged to encourage the humans to love life and allow them to earn the technology in a sense and thus not take it for granted. I do wonder if the writers were smart enough that they wrote it thinking "well maybe its not true at all, but it'll serve the plot that people believe it to be true". I mean generally, not just for that episode.

Lots of weird and dumb shit does happen to make plots go. I mean if Worf said "but I advise this" and Picard said "good idea mr Worf, we will follow that advice" that's about 1/3 of the episodes of TNG just gone.
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Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:58:20 EST HeFO2p/X No.64808 Reply
>>64806
Saaalty. Sure, it's not a hard sci fi episode, its about character building for Kirk and Spock. It's not like he actually meets Lincoln, just a rock-based phantom. Maybe you guys are taking Trek a bit too seriously and it's hampering your enjoyment of it...it's supposed to be dumb, campy, and nonsensical sometimes. That's the shtick.
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Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:06:29 EST H3jb/nk7 No.64809 Reply
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>>64808
>it's supposed to be dumb, campy, and nonsensical sometimes. That's the shtick.

Citation needed.
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Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:25:02 EST HeFO2p/X No.64811 Reply
>>64809
>>Citation needed
Of the 10 "best episodes" of TOS G-Rod gave for a TV guide interview, he included
>Amok Time
>The Naked Time
>The Trouble with Tribbles
Each among the silliest, dumbest, and campiest episodes of the franchise (yet, which we all love.) None of them are serious science fiction or anything other than a bit of a lark. So, by this measure, it would seem to think that G-Rod thought trek is supposed to be silly and campy at least 30% of the time.
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Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:38:41 EST H3jb/nk7 No.64815 Reply
>>64811
>Each among the silliest, dumbest, and campiest episodes of the franchise

That's an opinion. I'll wait.
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Commander Sela - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:45:09 EST HeFO2p/X No.64816 Reply
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>>64815
Everything that answers the question 'what should Star Trek be?' is going to be an opinion, p'TaQ. Even your little photocopy of G-Rod's intro to the series is just his opinion about what it should be. So I have a G-Rod opinion versus your G-Rod opinion. Are you going to do some kind of scientific experiment to measure the amount of campiness in each episode of Trek? How do you propose to discuss this question at all without reference to subjective opinions.

Also, so you're arguing that Trouble with Tribbles ISN'T campy. You're hinging your argument on the idea that NO ONE could possibly see the Trouble with Tribbles as campy. Are you REALLY? Are you SURE?????????
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Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:58:24 EST H3jb/nk7 No.64817 Reply
>>64816
>it's supposed to be dumb, campy, and nonsensical sometimes. That's the shtick.

Don't get off track. Just show me who said that Trek is supposed to be these things. I showed the initial document to show that the creator didn't have that in mind at all. I'd believe latter day Berman or JJ said it, but you're gonna have to show me or stop.
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Enabran Tain - Tue, 05 Jun 2018 18:04:31 EST H3jb/nk7 No.64818 Reply
Star Trek can be dumb, it can be campy, it can be nonsensical. It can also be intelligent, serious, and well-plotted. It can be a lot of things, which is why it's endured. To dismiss it all as dumb camp nonsense is disrespectful to all of the wonderful episodes that are the exact opposite.

TOS wasn't intended to be campy when they were making it. That happened because time marched on, and now people lump every colorful show from the 60s in with Batman and dust their hands off. It was Wagon Train to the stars, and Wagon Train wasn't dumb camp nonsense.

I know tastes vary. I never said The 37's or The Savage Curtain were bad. They're dumb, and that's fine. Neither is the dumbest of its respective series, and both are enjoyable in their own way. That said, to lump the likes of Year of Hell or City on the Edge of Forever in with them and say it's all the same dumb stuff isn't accurate or fair. To think all Trek is the same silly shit and act like fans who think differently are "salty" is equally wrong.

Live long and prosper to all my fellow Trekkers, though. Disagreeing is just IDIC in action.
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Lt. Talas - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 01:21:27 EST HeFO2p/X No.64822 Reply
>>64818
>> every colorful show from the 60s in with Batman
I didn't say every episode is campy, just that when it is, it is not an error, but an intentional effect. Roddenberry was very explicit about how there needs to be a balance between humor and seriousness. It's why he included the episodes he did in that list...why he said things like Mudd's Women typifies the kind of humor Trek should have. Trek was always intended to have a humorous element, and humor in 60s TV was largely campy. If the show wasn't intended to be humorous, why does every episode of TOS end on a joke? Why do episodes like "Shore Leave" and "Trouble with Tribbles" exist at all?

>>To dismiss it all as dumb camp nonsense
So I guess by saying it's supposed to be those things 'sometimes' you understood me to mean 'always.' That's not what 'sometimes' means, just so you know.

>>to lump the likes of Year of Hell or City on the Edge of Forever in with them and say it's all the same dumb stuff
Again, never said anything whatsoever like that. Clearly, you need a refresher on the difference between 'sometimes' and 'always.'

>> To think all Trek is the same silly shit and act like fans who think differently are "salty" is equally wrong.
Still strawmanning hard on the categorical error. I said they were salty because they were angry about logical flaws in those two episodes and indicating they didn't like them BECAUSE of that. I said that sometimes you have to ignore the faults for the sake of the story, especially in silly, campy episodes like the ones mentioned. If you nonetheless want to get mad about those parts, then you are free to do so, as I am to not.
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Karr - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:42:36 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64849 Reply
>>64822
>Trek was always intended to have a humorous element, and humor in 60s TV was largely campy. If the show wasn't intended to be humorous, why does every episode of TOS end on a joke? Why do episodes like "Shore Leave" and "Trouble with Tribbles" exist at all?

Exactly. The humor at the time was much broader than we see now. It had to appeal to everyone, since there were like 3 channels on TV at the time.

What does amaze me about Trek, is that they managed to talk about some esoteric sci-fi concepts and really push the envelope to make sci-fi known to a broader audience. The need to appeal to everyone made TOS have to look at things in a broad context, and couldn't get too nichey. So, you get Tribbles right alongside Amok Time (which I am currently watching and loving the fuck out of...)
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Kozak - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:24:37 EST +IopAQD/ No.64850 Reply
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Just got done watching Star Trek V. I did this of my own free will and don't regret it. I like Star Trek V and think more people should.
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Kiaphet Amman'sor - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:50:24 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64851 Reply
>>64850
It's not great, but it has some important TOS stuff that hadn't made it in the movies yet like punching god and climbing rocks
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Kiaphet Amman'sor - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:17:56 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64855 Reply
>>64854
Oh yeah I enjoy it for sure. If you go in without expecting it to be super great it's got some fun stuff
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Mot - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:15:52 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64861 Reply
The Changeling AKA The One They Basically Based The First Movie On...

Good fucking episode though.
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Ulani Belor - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:54:35 EST MuQ7owYL No.64865 Reply
>>64861

The climax of the Tarantino Trek movie should seriously be Kirk talking a computer to death. I really think he could pull that off and it'd be so fucking refreshing.
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 02:46:53 EST SLTHT3z7 No.64866 Reply
Just finished Year of Hell part 2. Pretty decent but kind of a lame ending. I always love seeing Kurtwood Smith in Star Trek and sci-fi.

>>64865
That would be absolutely refreshing but I doubt we'd get anything like that.
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Gul Darhe'el - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 02:58:24 EST SjwLM+q3 No.64867 Reply
>>64866

I don't. It wouldn't preclude a big action set piece or two at other points in the film, it'd be true to Tarantino's stated desire to hew closer to TOS, and it would play to the strengths of the material and the filmmaker.

I really don't know what to expect from the film at all, but at this stage I'd say just about anything is on the table. That being the case, I'm optimistic. The studio knows they can't blow up another Enterprise and expect people to care. I'm counting on Trek XIV being a good deal smarter and slower (and cheaper for Paramount) than it's Kelvin brethren.
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Stonn - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 05:42:24 EST a1dhqo0x No.64869 Reply
"Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang", DS9 Season 7.

Great episode -- The DS9 guys were at their best when they were fucking around, off on some obscure tangent to the main plot.
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Enabran Tain - Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:32:07 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64870 Reply
>>64869
yeah I like the Vic stuff, but I like that sort of music a lot too so I'm probably an easy mark for it
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Q - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:20:59 EST 0KyxXOfA No.64994 Reply
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Just finished watching VOY 4x05 which was an average episode (5/10), one thing that bothered me is why did Harry decline Seven's offer of sex? I mean it's obvious he likes her, what was he afraid of?

Also why has Tuvok only just been promoted to lieutenant-commander, even though he's over a hundred years old? Did he get demoted at some point or did he take a long break from Starfleet?
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Prosecutor Orak - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:30:53 EST 4WVh8sFm No.64996 Reply
>>64870
I fucking love DS9 but Vic was the one component of it that I just couldn't fucking stand

it seemed so cheap and out of place
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Kevin Mulkahey - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 19:15:23 EST l5TvN503 No.64997 Reply
>>64994
Because Harry is Janeway's baby boy, he can't have sex
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Lon Suder - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 21:49:01 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64998 Reply
>>64994
>why did Harry decline Seven's offer of sex? I mean it's obvious he likes her, what was he afraid of?

The risk of getting his dick ripped off by a heavily cybernetic pussy.
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Corporal F Hawkins - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 23:42:00 EST XX6q0fwB No.64999 Reply
>>64998
accidental assimilation at the moment of orgasm
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Herbert Rossoff - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:38:18 EST BDc/BC/B No.65005 Reply
>>64994
There's an episode somewhere around that one you just watched that explains that Tuvok indeed took a long break from Starfleet.
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Guinan - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:50:31 EST 7jBXZROk No.65012 Reply
>>64999
That would have been a great plot point.. Harry becomes enslaved to sevens robotic vagina
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Lon Suder - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:11:24 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65016 Reply
>>65012
Harry gets trapped in Seven of Nine's cyber-cooter and has to be rescued by the EMH who has to make a form of cyber-herpes to pry the damnable device off of Harry's dick...

Someone make it so!
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Vice Admiral Leyton - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 21:44:32 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65031 Reply
TOS "Metamorphosis," AKA The One Where Kirk Explains The Friend Zone To A Giant Energy Cloud
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Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:43:21 EST Qf2Tl6P1 No.65045 Reply
>>65031
Always liked this one. That scene where the entity/ambassador holds up her dress or frock or whatever it was and sees Cochrane through it resembling how he may have looked to the entity before it merged makes the episode, or at least the romantic portion of it. Just a subtle thing, but it reinforces that the entity loved Cochrane if the goo-goo dialogue didn't drive it home.

Finding out that Tom Hanks was a candidate to play Cochrane in First Contact makes me wish I lived in the timeline where that happened.
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Kiaphet Amman'sor - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 03:13:49 EST l5TvN503 No.65063 Reply
Middle aged woman thirsts for ectoplasm.
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Commander Morag - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 02:40:07 EST l5TvN503 No.65101 Reply
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>>65092
Oddly enough I just had a sub sandwich like an hour ago. Subliminal advertising???

Watching Sub Rosa for the 4th night in a row.
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Leeta - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:38:18 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65105 Reply
TOS - A Private Little War AKA The One Where Kirk Gets Roofied

This is actually a really good episode. Excellent writing and the ending is extremely good. Probably in my top three Trek episodes.
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Corporal Chang - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 19:37:56 EST l5TvN503 No.65128 Reply
420chan was down last night but watched sub rosa last night

watching sub rosa again
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Orator Plegg - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:52:41 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65137 Reply
TOS - Bread And Circuses AKA The One Where The Prime Directive Fucks Everyone Over
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Ensign McFarlane - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 06:56:09 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65140 Reply
>TNG Frame of Mind

hands down the best Riker episode and one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek ever
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Karr - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 23:47:48 EST l5TvN503 No.65142 Reply
>>65140
I concur whole heartedly. Riker is kinda always a rock in the show. He's just always there, being Riker. Which is great but he never really shines. But he does in that episode, and brilliantly.
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Karr - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:23:13 EST l5TvN503 No.65144 Reply
For whatever reason I wanted to watch some Voyager tonight. Watched Year of Hell. I appreciated the episode a lot more upon rewatch and is kinda making me question what other episodes I should see if I like better the second time.

I'm watching Flashback now just for the Takei novelty. It's fun.
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Hugh - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:49:23 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65145 Reply
>>65142
yeah g, big ups to Frakes for that madman acting, that shit was next level
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Jannar - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:53:25 EST HeFO2p/X No.65146 Reply
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>>65144
'Deadlock' and 'Night' are two S-tier VOY episodes that I think are routinely under appreciated. I feel like these, along with 'Year of Hell' and maybe 'Course: Oblivion' are some of the best at trying to convey the scale of how dire and serious Voyager's situation is, which I feel like was a strong suit that was always underplayed
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G'Quan - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:11:14 EST DStF7Vev No.65147 Reply
>>65146
Year of Hell always kind of pisses me off because it really could have been fantastic as a full season of VOY
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Jannar - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:42:11 EST HeFO2p/X No.65152 Reply
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>>65147
Clearly someone on the writing staff wanted to do a whole year, or why else would they have foreshadowed it so hard? I guess people still weren't really sold on the whole seasonal arc thing at that point, DS9 was still quite episodic that year too..

Anyway, talk about an episode of VOY that pisses me off: Equinox. Thanks for ruining the immersion in my 'we're the only humans in the quadrant' sim, retroactively lamefying the past 5 years. Ransom, you dickhead.
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Jannar - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 21:21:48 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65154 Reply
>>65147
sometimes the good episodes of Voyager piss me off more than the bad ones because when you see Voyager being good you get a better appreciation for how shit the bad ones are and how they don't have to be bad
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Nava - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:03:38 EST VgH3vRSA No.65155 Reply
>>65140
That one and the one where he bangs that Alien to escape custody
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Morn - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:46:19 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65163 Reply
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Who Mourns For Adonis
>tfw your mortal gf dumps you and calls you a fungus
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Admiral William J Ross - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:41:17 EST pSEqvwv9 No.65166 Reply
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>>65163
Then he aged dramatically in a couple years time. Women, huh?
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Thot Pran - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:11:50 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65191 Reply
The Lights of Zeldar AKA The One With Memory Alpha In It.

Shit just got meta people.
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Gul Macet - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:33:40 EST mBuSEZKW No.65192 Reply
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Decided to finally watch "Catspaw"

This is top 5 worst episodes of trek, up there is sub rosa and threshold

this one plan by Capt. Kirk made the whole episode though
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Thot Pran - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 18:48:49 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65203 Reply
>>65192
Catspaw had to be the mandatory "Halloween show."

Oh, just checked it first aired on Oct 27th. So yeah. It was the usual Hollywood decision.
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Jal Culluh - Sun, 15 Jul 2018 21:08:46 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65204 Reply
>>65203
wan't that by the guy who did some of the other spoopy ones
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Jaresh-Inyo - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:23:22 EST zgAwn5Av No.65211 Reply
watching the finale of TNG. It's been a while and i remember it being goofy as hell and kinda coming from left field, so my impression going in is this is either one of the best or worst episodes.
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Porthos - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:55:36 EST hFH53wxi No.65212 Reply
>>65211
I think it's a pretty good one. As a season finale it does the job well.

nb because I just stopped watching though. Was that one where Picard has musician sex.
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Subcommander Velal - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:44:30 EST 0KyxXOfA No.65213 Reply
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Just finished watching TNG 2x01 - The Child, which I give a 3/10. Does anybody know what rank this is in pic related? It's like one less than an ensign.
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Yeggie - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:58:08 EST zgAwn5Av No.65215 Reply
>>65212
okay yeah it's much better once Q shows up and it's clear what's going on. Before then it's your basic temporal disturbance but despite everything nobody believes Captain Grandpa. Too bad it takes an entire episode to get to that, but at least Netflix has the two joined as one
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Yeggie - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 23:22:31 EST zgAwn5Av No.65218 Reply
>>65215
once the changes between timelines become fluid it's much better. The final two episodes go from meh to great
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Vice Admiral Leyton - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:16:50 EST 5VzmgF16 No.65241 Reply
"Requiem For Methuselah" AKA The One Where Kirk Breaks Some Old Dude's Real Doll.
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General Krim - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:12:57 EST UjQcX3hV No.65546 Reply
Drunk at 11am on a Monday watching The Galileo Seven. Spock is so cool.
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Ensign Hogan - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 18:41:47 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65618 Reply
>TNG s7e2

near the begining Riker tells Worf he'd look good in a dress and gives him the sex eyes

this is one of the few times you ever see fear on Worfs face
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Simon Tarses - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:13:35 EST Bp22/8YR No.65620 Reply
Having finished TNG and TOS (again, again) we have moved into Enterprise.

It's actually a decent show. Totally underrated. Also deserved to have seasons 5 - 7.
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T'Les - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 05:27:56 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65622 Reply
>>65620
nope
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Gralik Durr - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:20:07 EST UjQcX3hV No.65626 Reply
Just watched the episode of Enterprise where they hijack a random innocent alien vessel, steal their warp core and leave them in the middle of nowhere to crawl home at impulse speed (like 2 - 3 years apparently). Surely the spirit of Trek was speaking to the writers of that episode.

I'm just sort of going through these at random because I've seen them a bunch of times so maybe next I'll watch the episode where he threatens to flush that Yridian out of an airlock because he knew for certain he was lying because some Vulcan database he never trusted before or after told him that every single Yridian ever is an information trader, all a clever nod to that episode of TNG I guess. I'm sure when they made Birthright they envisioned the Yridian's not having any engineers, doctors, farmers, drug dealers, chefs etc. Every single one of them just trades information back and forth, no exceptions.
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Gralik Durr - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:21:38 EST UjQcX3hV No.65627 Reply
>>65626
Also why did his ship even have a cargo hold to be empty if they never, ever transport cargo of any kind? nb
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:41:06 EST L/B0hL6r No.65628 Reply
>>65626
That episode is one of the reasons I love ENT and captain Archer. The darker aspects of learning how to be a starship captain in a pre-federation society.
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Gor - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:05:49 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65630 Reply
>>65626
>the spirit of Trek
"get Gene Roddenberry money and blowjobs" is a hard spirit to live up to now that he's dead
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Spock - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:19:22 EST HeFO2p/X No.65634 Reply
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>>65626
Look, look, just, Enterprise has this really serious labeling error. You're supposed to watch S4E1 right after S2E26, that's the way it makes sense and was intended to be watched. There's some bad dudes sharing this other 'season' online but it's fake news and definitely not star trek and if you watch it, you're gonna have a bad time and maybe get space aids.
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Kornan - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:51:33 EST YN0x1kly No.65638 Reply
>>65626
I think where that episode happens is where there's no callback or repercussions. Archer did what he had to do and basically saved all life in the galaxy but there was a hefty price to what he did and it just never happened.. Both of them really.

>>65634
And this is the problem with S3. It's got some good potential but the story is stretched out too much for the first 3/4 of the season and drags, but barely exists outside it's own arc. Seasons 1 and 2 aren't very good either and 4 is good because the studio shitcanned it and gave up. And this ironically is the best hope we have for some good discovery.
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T'Les - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:59:50 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65640 Reply
>>65624
quantum leapjng into the captain chair of the 9/11 space police flagship is not good trek

you ain't gonna tell me otherwise
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Fri, 24 Aug 2018 23:18:35 EST Bp22/8YR No.65648 Reply
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>>65640
Sorry dude but you just have to bite the bullet and watch the show. You are totally correct that it is a 9/11 response piece. Watch it as that. Tell us what it teaches you about who we were in the mid 2000s.
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:08:36 EST YN0x1kly No.65649 Reply
>>65640
>quantum leapjng into the captain chair of the 9/11 space police flagship is not good trek
>AND NO ONES GONNA BEND OR BREAK ME

Fixed that for you.
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Amanda Grayson - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:08:33 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65650 Reply
>>65648
I watched ENT all the way through when I watched all of Trek in general and that was my opinion on it

I'm not going to watch through it a second time, that show sucked
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 06:14:32 EST YN0x1kly No.65651 Reply
>>65650
S3 is the only real response piece season.

Also I will recommend you give season 4 a go. The time nazis plot at the start was a bit like "will you just put this fucking plot to bed?" but then they did. The bit where Daniels agrees to not come back, I think Archer speaks for all of us. After that though it gets good. Lots of intrigue, strength through peace and personal sacrifice and compromise and overcoming our personality defects through the lense of aliens having to do that with our help. Which is Trek as fuck.
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Amanda Grayson - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:14:04 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65652 Reply
>>65651
man I already said I watched the whole show

season 4 was a little better than the rest but it still sucked
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:01:59 EST Bp22/8YR No.65653 Reply
>>65652
Most posters here watch things more than once.
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Mordoc - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:02:04 EST l5TvN503 No.65655 Reply
>>65653
Yeah, this. You have to watch it twice to really get it then on the third watch you really start to appreciate it so that the 4th watch is just pure amazing. Any watch after that it starts to go downhill though. So just stick to watching it through 4 times.
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Willie Hawkins - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:15:25 EST HeFO2p/X No.65656 Reply
>>65655
"Naw man, you can't understand this show if you've only spent 72 hours watching it (that's how long ENT is.) You have to spend between 144 and 288 hours watching it to really appreciate it. If you watch it for 360 hours though, it will suck."

Maybe, or maybe if you watch anything for literally two whole 24/7 weeks you'll be able to read anything you want into it.
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Grimp - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 04:49:44 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65658 Reply
>>65653
and I occasionally rewatch TOS, TAS, DS9, and TNG

shit sometimes I'll even throw a VOY episode on but ENT was fucking stupid quit pretending otherwise

you are deluding yourself and it is only hurting your mental health
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Dr. Crell Moset - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 06:09:40 EST UjQcX3hV No.65659 Reply
>>65656
This is the only right answer. There is a bit in Birthright where the Klingon youngsters ask Worf what he gets out of the old stories about Kahless and he says "I return to the stories at various times in my life and find new meaning in them each time" or something like that. That's what Star Trek is to me. I have been watching it over and over again for as long as I can remember and it has only changed as I have changed. We should have a thread about this.
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Dr. Crell Moset - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:19:51 EST UjQcX3hV No.65660 Reply
>>64230
drunk at Sunday lunchtime watching Best of Both Worlds. I'm waiting to get baked and have set aside this time to just go through the TNG 2-parters in order, it's a sequence i've never tried before that may or not turn out to be an enjoyable way to watch them. Will report back.
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Talok - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:10:25 EST HeFO2p/X No.65664 Reply
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>>65659
I mean I have wasted literally whole months of my life watching Trek too, but I don't think I'm better than other Trekkies because of it or it entitles me to say their opinion about a show is wrong. It is true however that, like a fine wine, they only get better with age.

>>65660
A TNG 2-parter marathon is like mainlining peak Trek. You may not survive Moset!
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Tallera - Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:43 EST l5TvN503 No.65666 Reply
>>65656
I was joking btw. You really don't literally, actually fully understand and wholly and totally appreciate ENT until you've seen it at least 4 times. After that it only gets better.
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Karyn Archer - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:19:22 EST HeFO2p/X No.65673 Reply
>>65666
Yah I knew you were probably joking but the other guy wasn't and wanted to give him some back up. I too have watched ENT so many times that I also think it's good, but I think that's mostly stockholm syndrome really.

>>pic related. me watching ENT bww. "It's....so....g...good..."
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Karyn Archer - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:20:44 EST HeFO2p/X No.65674 Reply
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>>65673
Eh it didn't like that pic of Kirk screaming in DOTM. Here's a different one, same bad joke
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Wesley Crusher - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:28:46 EST mBuSEZKW No.65792 Reply
>>65674

I hold to a steady rule: the worst star trek is always the most recent one. After a worse one comes out, the older one becomes part of the family.

I don't know how Star Trek Galaxy will make discovery better, but I expect this pattern to continue
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:54:12 EST L/B0hL6r No.65795 Reply
>>65792
VIY breaks that rule's steadiness tho.
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Mila - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:59:05 EST HeFO2p/X No.65826 Reply
>>65795
Only to people who hate VOY or love ENT so much that they would for some unthinkable reason put ENT over VOY.
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Samson - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:50:31 EST GmWYq6a9 No.65877 Reply
started rewatching Voyager recently, just finished the Tuvix episode. really reminded me why I hate Janeway, anyone who can commit murder like that is in no position to moralize about anything
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 23:05:03 EST 7hZAtms2 No.65880 Reply
>>65826
You don't have to like ENT very much to like it more than VOY, because not only is VOY less likeable than ENT, but it's a nightmare.
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Leck - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:22:29 EST e5feiTTX No.65910 Reply
>>65877

I don't even mind the ultimate decision to kill Tuvix. Obviously he had to die one way or another for the show to go on and the only other option is to have him willingly sacrifice himself, which is boring, or have him die in an accident and be split as a last resort, which is lame.

Janeway isn't Picard. She's supposed to be the mother of the ships family, not an ambassador. I could totally understand her making the emotional argument of the value of two well known and liked crewmembers to the morale of a ship out on its own, or making the practical argument of the value of two crewmembers to their survival versus one. Considering this is a moral dilemma that doesn't really exist outside the scifi conceit, you could even make an interesting ethical argument for two potential lives over one existent one.

But they don't really do that. They gloss over the moral implications. They don't take advantage of some very obvious comedy material. Instead the writers opt for a sappy story starring the worst actor in the cast. The fact that no one on the crew but the doctor objects in the slightest makes the ending feel like a horror movie.

Anyway, its just typical Voyager to shit all over any good idea they have.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 17:58:12 EST 7hZAtms2 No.65914 Reply
>>65910
Honestly that episode doesn't even have an impact on my opinion of the show really.
The idea of being out in the wilderness with no rules, and struggling to walk the line between sticking to your Federation principles and doing what you have to do to the crew home is a great concept for a series, but the execution was shit.

ENT does a similar thing (since even the alpha quadrant is the wilderness at this point in time) and it is executed better than Voyager. Archer has to struggle with the challenge of exploring deep space on Earth's behalf for the first time with NO prior experience, whiel representing the species properly, but without even having specific Federation principles having been laid out yet.

And then there's the fact that Archer simply is a better captain than Janeway and he would have done a better job at what she did if he had been around in the 24th century.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:24:36 EST 7hZAtms2 No.65918 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Albert Macklin - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 20:19:27 EST HeFO2p/X No.65929 Reply
>>65914
Season 1 ENT does VOY's premise better than VOY itself does, for sure.
By the same token, "Year of Hell" does Season 3 ENT's premise better than it does (and even YOH doesn't live up to its full potential.) There are other examples like this; episodes in TNG that feel like they really belong to DS9 (Drumhead and Chain of Command, anyone?) while there are DS9 episodes where they clearly really just had a left over TNG script to shoot.

Ultimately, when you're mining the same IP for decades, you're going to retread the same stuff, and sometimes you'll do it better the second time around. I'm pretty sure we could demonstrate that every episode of TNG-era Trek is really a retelling of an episode or part of an episode of TOS.

Really, I think the best way to compare the flaws between VOY and ENT is; with VOY they were trying to do way too much, and went no where as a consequence. They wanted to be TNG 2, happy funtime family hour, and dark lost in the wild adventure story. It's just too much. ENT, on the other hand, has too little going on. See, it's the first ship named Enterprise, and the Vulcans are mean this time and...there's this time war thing, but don't pay attention to that, it's actually just nazi bats.

I think they're also highly comparable because they're the only two to feature a major tonal shift halfway through their run. Most people liked both these changes, but I think it made both of them infinitely worse. Borg with tits is just a bad, almost Mary Sue-ish character, and after her arrival most other characters are relegated to side roles. Dumb.
By the same token, Season 3 totally ruins ENT for me. It's an OOC tonal nightmare of 9/11 proportions. If you took out season 3 of ENT, but left in all of VOY, it might put ENT over VOY for me. But if you cut out most of the Seven episodes, they would be on even footing again.

Moral of the story I think is Trek becomes worse the more self-conscious it becomes of what it is doing. TOS is literally all over the place and that's why it wins. DS9 has a coherent message to say about the Trek ideology, but it is so mostly focused on that pursuit that it is able to lose itself in it. Ultimately this leads to situations like STD, where they are parroting the elements of Trek with no actual understanding of their meaning. /rant
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Jannar - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:10:26 EST e5feiTTX No.65930 Reply
>>65914

It just occurs to me that a combination of Tuvok and Neelix would be the first person in line for the suicide booth. Tuvok because 2>1, logic, and Neelix, because he's a huge faggot and would kill himself to make his child bride happy.

Better episode would be Tuvix, instead of being the best of both men, turns out to be a huge piece of shit. Just as annoying as Neelix and just as cold as Tuvok with none of the competency of either. Then the crew hates him, and now Janeway has to decide between killing some useless asshole to revive "two" important crewmen, and ethics and stuff.
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Senator Vreenak - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:37:25 EST SvUZzI3A No.65984 Reply
>>65914
Janeway's also a science officer captaining a science vessel.

Voyager is all about not being particularly prepared. Sure they have enough gear to fabricate two dozen replacement shuttles, but they can't replicate more than a cup of coffee for the Janeway every day.

Just typing this out I realize all over again... My god this show was poorly written.

Fuck.

Whatever my argument was I'm not making it now.
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Q - Sat, 13 Oct 2018 17:43:41 EST 0KyxXOfA No.65995 Reply
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/These_Are_the_Voyages..._(episode)

Felt like it ended abruptly, Trip's death seemed pointless. Shran's daughter saying "Thanks pinkskin" was a nice touch. Archer says "Where no one has gone before" at the end even though it's set a 100 years before TOS, it should be "...no man has gone before". Overall score 4/10.

Season 4 of Enterprise is easily the strongest season, but I felt the finale let it down.
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Commander Tomalak - Sun, 14 Oct 2018 18:25:04 EST LCfgD/e0 No.66000 Reply
>>65995
Ah yes, that episode. It only exists in a handful of doomed timelines along with the second and third matrix films. I exist in a better timeline where season 4 had 23 episodes and the animatrix is where it stopped.

The temporal cold war originally started as an attempt to guide all timelines to resolve in such a manner but there were a few fuckups. Sorry about that.
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Admiral Nechayev - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:34:16 EST HeFO2p/X No.66008 Reply
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>>66000
Hey man say whatever you want about that shitty episode but Matrix 2 & 3 were fire. I've never met anyone who has re-watched those movies since they came out who could give me a reason why they were bad. Everyone just built the Matrix up in their mind to Halo 2 porportions and so when it came out and didn't remake reality in its image and likeness with the first frame they decided to hate it. They're good movies that are pretty much exactly like the first one except they have more world-building, more philosophy, and better fights (with slightly worse pacing.) What's not to like?
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Greer - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 21:30:55 EST b2kjICL7 No.66010 Reply
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people ascending downward?
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Lt. Diana Giddings - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:30:03 EST KGL1tgWI No.66022 Reply
>>66008
I love the Matrix trilogy, but after seeing them all again and again, it's clear that 2 and 3 are shells compared to the first one. The original just has a perfect story set up that can't be captured again, because you can't go back in the sequels to a time where everything was just normal human living. The other ones miss the mark in that regard, and it's probably because they aren't ripping a Greek allegory for their plot.

The transformation Neo goes through, along with how we can all relate to his messy apartment-living condition at the beginning, being late for work and having a shit boss, posting on what people thought the internet was back then, that's what makes the original so incredible. They blend all of that into this edgy night club leather coat slow-motion kung fu shit, and it just worked perfectly. The sequels though don't have that grounded normal place to contrast with though. The film starts with Neo already having mastered the blade, and he just goes around going "Pfft, nice try kid." to everyone. I often feel that the combat scenes in the sequels are forced, or there for their own sake, whereas the fighting scenes in the original all feel like a vital part of the story.
nb cuz no trek
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Benny Russell - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:36:17 EST HeFO2p/X No.66027 Reply
>>66022
>>they aren't ripping a Greek allegory for their plot.
The sequels also follow the monomyth, just not as clearly.

>>The sequels though don't have that grounded normal place to contrast with though. The film starts with Neo already having mastered the blade
This probably is the biggest flaw with those films. I think there should have been more establishment time within the matrix itself. But that's mostly a pacing flaw I feel like, since we did in fact still remember all that stuff from the first movie and know it's out there.

It's honestly very similar to animu style plotlines, where things enter this overloading cascade of insanity, and thus the power level of the herodudeguy has to grow exponentially. As that one dude said, "the Matrix movies are targeted at a very niche audience, 14-year old boys with philosophy degrees."
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Ikat'ika - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:16:54 EST DXC3IuTR No.66035 Reply
watching VOY 'Night' aka the one where the writers come up with a genuinely original and compelling concept and chicken out of it halfway through the episode
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Former Gul Rusot - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:31:48 EST 4WVh8sFm No.66036 Reply
>>66035
man VOY suffered from that a lot I think

so many episodes the first 5-7 minutes would have me super hooked then it would just go sharply downhill for the rest of it
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Ensign Samantha Wildman - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:55:32 EST qbWbtU3Z No.66037 Reply
>>66036
The whole series suffered from it, and it didn't even take half a season for the chickening out to occur.
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Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:40:43 EST LCfgD/e0 No.66041 Reply
>>66008
2 and 3 are cash ins. They're forced world vision, bolted on content that didn't exist before. There is something to be said for not diluting a vision. The original hasn't aged amazingly but it's fun and it works. Matrix 2 and 3 feel like they're just there to fill time (or rather seats) rather than tell a good story. Because they are. The original was about as good as a hollywood mass market blockbusters get, the sequels are just standard and it's a low standard.
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Homn - Sun, 21 Oct 2018 05:09:51 EST 4WVh8sFm No.66052 Reply
>>66037
agreed man I've always said that VOY had the most interesting premise of a star trek show but executed it horrendously
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Etana Jol - Sun, 21 Oct 2018 14:08:55 EST 2UPhFisy No.66055 Reply
>>66052
Absolutely, especially considering its place. Easy to say in hindsight, but with DS9 going darker as it went, a Voyager that started darker (that is to say, better depicting the struggle of integrating enemy crews, rationing, and repairing/restocking without Federation assistance) and got more optimistic as they figured it all out and saw the light at the end of the tunnel would've been a great way to get the series in a position for a post-Nemesis era show that had the Federation exploring on a fully galactic scale. I doubt there was enough coordination or foresight between the DS9 and VOY staffs to make exactly that happen, but a better executed Voyager could've kept the franchise invigorated despite the TNG films struggling.
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Q - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:10:00 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66143 Reply
TOS 1x13 The Galileo Seven - Spock, Scotty, Bones & four others are stranded in a shuttle on a planet with hostile primative giants. Episode is an example of lack of techno babble in TOS, Scotty says he can adapt the engines to run on the hand phaser's energy/fuel without a single word of techno babble. One thing that bothered me was @21:54 Spock seems almost angry when he says "I'm not interested in the opinion of the majority, Mr. Gaetano".
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Q - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 21:10:08 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66202 Reply
TOS 1x28 The City on the Edge of Forever - Whilst high on an accidental high dose of cordrazine, Bones steps in to the Guardian of Forever & accidentally changes history for the worse. Kirk & Spock follow him in order to restore the time line. At the end they had to let Edith Keeler get ran over & die to correct the time line, this made the episode a 9/10 for me rather than an 8. @04:14 Bones karate chops a guy on the hip & he falls unconscious. - So campy & unbelievable, but I can cut TOS some slack.
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Dr. Antaak - Mon, 05 Nov 2018 18:49:01 EST HeFO2p/X No.66204 Reply
>>66202
I like how you spoilered the part that wasn't a spoiler and let the actual spoiler just hang in the breeze.
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B'Etor - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:54:41 EST edRFrFoY No.66205 Reply
>>66204
He's been mildly trolling in that manner for a long time now.
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Tora Ziyal - Tue, 06 Nov 2018 21:31:22 EST FygexOU9 No.66208 Reply
>>66206
Yeah it's a little trick called "posting on /1701/"
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Ghee P'Trell - Wed, 07 Nov 2018 12:06:07 EST t4O3rm8h No.66209 Reply
>>66208
I'm pretty sure you could slip some spoilers from the wire under his nose.
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Private W Woods - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 02:23:32 EST vfKzFqQZ No.66320 Reply
I'm not watching this episode right now but I'm thinking about it and I didn't feel like this warranted it's own thread.

You know that episode where Moriarty returns and they trap him in a computer program and give it to Barclay to watch over? At the end of the episode where they hand over the computer to Barclay I half expected him to drop the fucker and break it. I almost wish that were the actual ending.
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Q - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:38:24 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66328 Reply
2x15 Journey To Babel - 6/10 Good character building for Spock. @4:58 Spock's mother says "After all these years among humans, you still haven't learned to smile". Yet in 2x05 Amok Time @47:22 Spock smiles when he sees Captain Kirk is alive.

@07:14 Spock's mother says "Vulcans believe that peace should not depend on force", this directly contradicts Discovery in which Vulcans strike the Klingons first. @14:08 Spock says the objects were travelling at approximately warp 10, which is considered infinity in Voyager. Uhura says there's no other federation vessel in this quadrant. @16:32 Sarek says "Threats are illogical".
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Deanna Troi - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:43:10 EST bOlOhkyn No.66329 Reply
>>66328
Vulcans are lying hypocritical assholes
they're basically like those asshole elves from Lord of the Rings

also Warp scale got rewritten preTNG and even then they barely kept to 10=Infinity
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Menos - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 18:56:08 EST HeFO2p/X No.66332 Reply
>>66328
>>Spock smiles when he sees Captain Kirk is alive.
He was unaccountably happy and couldn't control himself. It's pretty believable, I mean, haven't you shown more of your real, deep emotions to your close friends than your parents?

>>Discovery in which Vulcans strike the Klingons first
Nothing about Discovery makes sense and I think we should go ahead and declare it non-canon for the purposes of picking nits with the rest of the series.

>>Spock says the objects were travelling at approximately warp 10, which is considered infinity in Voyager.
Warp drives had a different calibration during TOS-era (however ENT uses the TNG calibration.) There's one episode where Kirk orders the ship to push to warp 13, and had classified factors above warp 15 as 'multiwarp.'

The numbers a lot of fans use (from combing through and correlating the most consistent numbers from both eras) is that the formula for TOS warp is 'velocity = the speed of light times the warp factor cubed.' In TNG it is 'velocity = the speed of light times the warp factor raised to the 3.33 power+0.5 log10(10-warp factor).'

Which means that the Enterprise-D could travel at what the Enterprise NCC-1701 called 'multiwarp' speeds.
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Benjamin Sisko - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 04:29:38 EST 4WVh8sFm No.66343 Reply
>>66332
but then when Riker is piloting the Ent-E he pushes it up to like 13 or 15
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Mila - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 11:25:54 EST bOlOhkyn No.66346 Reply
>>66343
yeah there's no particular way to resolve Warp scale beyond "It's many different episodes of a tv show with many different writers."
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Captain Rixx - Sun, 25 Nov 2018 01:43:20 EST HeFO2p/X No.66349 Reply
>>66343
I think in TNG era any mention of a warp factor above 10 are transwarp speeds. The Excelsior could travel at transwarp too, so there's no reason the Galaxy refit couldn't have it.

>>66346
But yeah, this is the real reason. It's all subspace gradients, man.
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Q - Mon, 26 Nov 2018 20:45:28 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66365 Reply
TOS 2x19 The Immunity Syndrome - If this was TNG or Voyager they would have resolved the problem without killing the creature. 6/10 for seeking out new life. Spock psychically knowing the Intrepid had been destroyed was bullshit, what is this? Star Wars? Kirk demanding answers from Spock when Spock already said there was insufficient data is something Picard would never do.
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Valkris - Sun, 02 Dec 2018 00:11:54 EST vfKzFqQZ No.66418 Reply
Watched the ds9 episode where Odo forces everyone else to have a bad trip with him, and he feels guilty about having three innocent people killed. Good episode, very heady.

Then I watched the episode where Quark gets involved in weapons trading, feels guilty about it, and gets the Regent killed because he felt guilty. Incidentally, both incidences of guilt involve the character seeing dead people. Odo sees the three innocent people he had executed, and Quark sees the crew for some reason. Highlight of this episode was Quark getting the regent killed, and also zombie O'Brien yelling out "why did you kill my baby" to Quark in that dream sequence while presumably holding zombie Yoshi in his arms. Honestly really good Ferengi episode though.
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Benny Russell - Sun, 02 Dec 2018 13:52:19 EST hmLOPdbS No.66421 Reply
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>>66349
>The Excelsior could travel at transwarp too

No, it can't. That transwarp drive doesn't travel at transwarp speeds.
This is because Discovery isn't the first time Star Trek writers sucked at continuity and ret-conning. And also because of some dilithium stability shit that meant The Excelsior's warp drive could never reach its theoretical maximum performance.

Also the rescaling of warp speeds happened during TNG.
But basically, Voyager is full of shit and you should ignore it unless you like having the latest advancements in warp technology being half a dozen digits into the 9.99s

Any time you hear a warp speed over 10 you can just assume that they got sick of the 9.9999s and rescaled the warp factors.
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Zefram Cochrane - Tue, 04 Dec 2018 13:25:16 EST VQn6vIUf No.66444 Reply
>>66328
>>66332
When I was hanging out in /1701/, we talked about Vulcans and I said "Tuvok made a better Vulcan than Spock." The response? "Spock is only half Vulcan." Makes a lot of sense, despite not being a "hard" canon.
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Gul Macet - Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:07:11 EST HeFO2p/X No.66445 Reply
>>66444
What's not hard canon about it? He literally is half Vulcan, and he literally admits to Data (as much as a Vulcan would be allowed to admit) that over the years he has probably become even more human by serving in starfleet.
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Q - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:10:34 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66459 Reply
TOS 2x24 6/10 The Ultimate Computer - The Enterprise is fitted with the M5 multitronic computer designed by the legendary Dr. Richard Daystrom however it takes over & starts attacking other ships. Good sci-fi theme, well ahead of its time. @44:48 The M5 replies "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God.", this implies religion exists amongst 23rd century humans. The M5 also says the punishment for murder is death which seems out of touch with Federation values. I remember reading somewhere that Roddenberry didn't want religion in Trek.
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Mobara - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 19:32:09 EST HeFO2p/X No.66460 Reply
>>66459
Other TOS moments also strongly imply religion still exists for 23rd c humans. Don't remember which episode, but McCoy at one points says something like; 'if you're asking about beliefs of sorts, we represent a variety of faiths.'

But talking to Apollo, Kirk says something like 'we have no need for gods...we find the one adequate' implying humans aren't just religious, but are all monotheists.

But then, theres a quote from TAS where a human says, 'by the seven gods!'

So basically, humans' religious attitudes in the 23rd century get weirder the closer you look, which is why I think G-Rod tried so hard with TNG to pretend that Trek is and had always been strictly atheist.
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Q - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 21:12:21 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66465 Reply
>>66460
>Other TOS moments also strongly imply religion still exists for 23rd c humans. Don't remember which episode, but McCoy at one points says something like; 'if you're asking about beliefs of sorts, we represent a variety of faiths.'

Found it: TOS 2x14 3/10 Bread and Circuses - Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are captured on a planet that resembles a Roman Empire with 20th century technology. They are set to die at the hands of gladiators for the sake of public spectacle. Uhura at the end saying "It's not the sun up in the sky, it's the son of god" was lame. @09:04 Bones says about religion "We represent many beliefs".
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Nevala - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 18:21:56 EST mBuSEZKW No.66470 Reply
Accidentally talked myself into doing a rewatch of TOS and by the time I realized it was happened I've committed to the whole thing, started with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (first one post Pike, I intend to watch The Cage right before I get to the Menagerie)) and decided to go forward from there, just finished what are little girls made of.

It's been wonderful going through and seeing the show just kind of throw things at the wall and see what stick, establishing canon in the broad strokes of people who have no idea if there's going to be another episode. I've been so focused on the later series it's been awhile since I actually went through and laid eyes on the old testament. It's cool seeing what stuck, what has been mostly dropped, and what has been retconned.

I'd have to say it took until I got to "Balance of Terror" until I would really say this got to a place where I would say "yeah, this feels like the Star Trek I'm talking about when I tell people about the show I love." There previous 8 episodes all have great moments but they all have elements that are goofy even by TOS standards (The Naked Time has some AMAZING dialogue and character moments for Spock, but the idea that time travel is related to antimatter and that you can travel back in time using nothing but a 23rd century warp engine seems like bullshit even by Trek standards, especially since it somehow makes the fucking clock run backwards too?)

Balance of Terror is fucking all cylinders classic trek: It's all about the ships commander using their and their crew's experience, reason, and the technology at their disposal to defeat a foe they respect, not with malice (even in the face of death) but out of duty, and at the same time they even learn something about their strange foe

>>66459

Great episode. I love the early explorations of Trek's tech, I wish there was more official bullshit about the moves from multitronic circuits to isolinear chips to bio-neural gel-packs (Voyager should have had an episode that was just a power point presentation of that info, it would have fit the show's general quality)
It also one of those ones like where you get to see the little examples of anti-racism TOS was able to get away with back in the day (The biggest computer genius in UFP is a Black Guy, like in court martial how the station Commodore, outranking Kirk, is black an no one even brings it up). Even if he does later have a classic Star Trek dramatic villain mental collapse at the end, it was still a nice gesture I thought
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Q - Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:58:48 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66486 Reply
TOS 2x16 3/10 A Private Little War - The Klingons are providing increasingly advanced weaponry to primitive tribes & Kirk is injured on the planet. The discussion of the Vietnam war and the importance of balance of power were good but this episode didn't have anything else to offer & didn't feel like sci-fi. The whole Spock being injured b-plot was pointless. You could argue this episode is pro 2nd amendment rights because Kirk says both sides should have equal weaponry. Nona is my favourite TOS girl.
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Tekeny Ghemor - Mon, 10 Dec 2018 18:36:02 EST b2kjICL7 No.66488 Reply
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I'm going over TOS season 2 atm as well. Episode 10 Mirror, Mirror could be what they are doing with Trek now but back in the 60's they had a special underlining meaning for the alternative timelines. Might be if they take the crystals then meaning in their form could change and they could turn out different.
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Guinan - Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:18:48 EST D65nZOLV No.66492 Reply
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>>66470
>>66486
>>66488
Anybody else feel embarrassed that campy 60s trek is considerably more intellectual than the new garbage masquerading under the name, despite several decades of development in regards to the telling of stories through the TV medium?

>A Private Little War
kinda cheeseball but entertaining enough, previous poster is spot on about this being a hamfisted allegory for cold war proxy wars, especially vietnam
>Mirror, Mirror
iconic but largely overrated.. a fun episode conceptually, and still better than any future mirror episodes except the ENT one and *MAYBE* the first DS9 one.
>Balance of Terror
>Ultimate Computer
I have boner>>66486
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Kira Nerys - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 08:03:38 EST cn/BS8la No.66495 Reply
>>66492
Yeah I feel that way, and it's not just with trek either. These days, it seems like every franchise has lost its magic, whether it's thought-provoking trek or simple fun star wars. Same with video games too.
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Nog - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:39:33 EST FQ5sGru5 No.66504 Reply
>>66495
Older television programs were limited by the budget and production costs, making them lean on the writing much more often. Its why there's so much philosophical debate and not as much pewpew.
The people in charge of these productions wont take a risk with a heady concept, even moreso if it challenges peoples beliefs. Its better to gamble on the action and explosions and visceral reactions.

Could you imagine a conflict in game of thrones being settled peacefully by using words? All modern media can do is quick escalation to the point of over stimulation.
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Q - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:09:45 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66505 Reply
DS9 2x02 5/10 The Circle - The crew are on the hunt for the terrorist group The Circle who are planning a coup, meanwhile Kira is transferred to Bajor due to promotion. Sisko is ordered not to interfere with Bajoran affairs due to the Prime Directive & to evacuate DS9 of all non Bajorans due to safety concerns. Odo seemed out of character when he mentioned Kira's affinity for breaking the rules "Cardassian rules, Bajoran rules, Federation rules" in a positive way, he normally comes across as an authoritarian who respects the rule of law.
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Spock - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:36:29 EST vfKzFqQZ No.66508 Reply
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>>66504
It also reflects a general shift in cultural attitudes toward war from the Cold War to the War on Terror. Questioning American military adventures overseas can only be done if it's played off as dark humor, but the official objective of the War on Terror can't be questioned. The ideological precepts of the war are also reproduced on television, most egregiously in shows like 24 which just flat out justify the use of torture, but also in post-9/11 Trek.

It's weird, looking back on an episode of Deep Space 9 like Inter arma enim silent leges that criticizes covert intelligence operations. Nowadays you have Batman wiretapping Gotham to defeat the Joker. I'd honestly be surprised if Batman hasn't waterboarded someone to save the day yet. Meanwhile, TNG had an episode centering around the futility of torture against a strong enough will.

War started to become sexy again in the 80s, but it really hit its stride with 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. The mainstream only started questioning the War on Terror (even if not the objective itself) around 2006, when it became clear we were going to be stuck in Iraq for a while and had turned a bad situation worse, needlessly and recklessly. Ideological neoconservatism creeped into popular culture something fierce, and it's still there. Rarely do you see someone treat war the way Kurt Vonnegut did. "War is hell" got replaced with "war is bad ass" for a generation that never had to experience conscription into an even fight.
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Q - Sat, 02 Mar 2019 15:39:35 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66605 Reply
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Just finished watching DS9 4x01/02 The Way of the Warrior (Parts 1 & 2) which I give a 9/10.

@1:26:20 Gowron says "We do not forgive...or forget" - Did Anonymous rip off this phrase from DS9?

Also I found http://nitcentral.philfarrand.com/discus/messages/5/13972.html?1469414360 - Quark & Garak's famous conversation on the Federation, the "It's insidious" scene was famous by January 1999. Isn't that fascinating? The Internet wasn't even that big back then.
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Badar N'D'D - Sat, 02 Mar 2019 23:38:36 EST Qo4yytmf No.66608 Reply
>>66605
>@1:26:20 Gowron says "We do not forgive...or forget" - Did Anonymous rip off this phrase from DS9?
The general linking of forgiving and forgetting (or forgiving but not forgetting) shows up semi-commonly linked to WW2 and perhaps elsewhere because of the nice alliteration.
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Janice Rand - Sun, 03 Mar 2019 00:54:17 EST bOlOhkyn No.66610 Reply
>>66605
I never really thought about it, but yeah back at the dawn of time the chans were nerds who liked posting images, rather than faggots who liked imageboards, so yeah it probably was
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Krax - Mon, 04 Mar 2019 08:09:33 EST YUXbkxMF No.66616 Reply
>>66605

>The Internet wasn't even that big back then.

Message boards were huge at that point. All there was to do on the internet was forums, napster, and new grounds. I had an ezboard for my shitty final fantasy themed Jedi Knight clan. Obviously the average American wasn't using one, but a lot of the people who owned a computer and watched DS9 did.

A smaller number of people were using forums even before the web. You can look up google archives of usenet threads from the 80s where people complain about how bad TNG is and how it will never live up to its predecessor.
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Guinan - Mon, 04 Mar 2019 09:17:00 EST D65nZOLV No.66619 Reply
>>66616
I was one of those small amount of people. I've been on the internet (or some preincarnation of it) since it was only BBS through a browser called Gopher.

In my view, there was some tipping point where the ratio of normies to nerds, dorks, and weirdos reached a critical point and it's been downhill since then. The proliferation of social media seems mostly to blame. I mean from the early AOL days till the end of Myspace don't seem that different to me other than the ease at which you could navigate the internet increasing dramatically (I mean there were literally no reliable search engines at first, you had to get everywhere by webrings and addresses). Sure there were big changes between dialup and high speed internet but the VIBE of the internet was much the same. Now it's a homogenized mess of clickbait and attention whoring. I tell ya, when you get to be my age you let the good times slip by too quickly, even though you know better.
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Q - Tue, 05 Mar 2019 20:59:55 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66628 Reply
>>66619
>there was some tipping point where the ratio of normies to nerds, dorks, and weirdos reached a critical point and it's been downhill since then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September something like this?

What were early BBS systems like? I got Internet access on Christmas 1997 and I remember at some point using webrings for porn. Do you remember TOTSE?
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Admiral Hayes - Tue, 05 Mar 2019 22:12:55 EST bOlOhkyn No.66629 Reply
I say it was when the onlines got easier than doing your tcp/ip settings
but the trade up of the volume and quality of modern media piracy is a fair enough exchange
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G'Quan - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 01:27:39 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.66630 Reply
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>>66616
You're thinking too late. It seems Guinan and I are about the same age. Forums, napster, et al weren't even invented yet. It was mostly just Bulletin Board Systems or BBSes and IRC channels.

>>66619
Exactly, those were the days. I would also agree that myspace dying and Facebook going public were bit factors. I remember when I signed up for facebook. I had to have a college email address to do so and it was fucking awesome then to be completely honest.
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Admiral Hayes - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 11:46:32 EST bOlOhkyn No.66632 Reply
>>66630
it still bugs the fuck out of me that people refer to a local Fox affil as Fox at a network level and that they still label the CURTAINS AND A DOG segment as the future when it was about here
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Guinan - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 12:43:35 EST D65nZOLV No.66636 Reply
>>66628
I didn't get much free reign on them, to be honest that was when I was first learning to read and I would never have been allowed on TOTSE. It sounds like it was for all intents and purposes the elemental progenitor of all chans.

What I did see was pretty cool. I mean, it seemed amazing to me that when I was a kid, I had a pen pal, but even then I could see that the idea was kind of obsolete because you could talk to people through forums from just about anywhere in the world, and all it took was a few minutes to dial up.

>>66630
G'Quan gets it

>>66632
Let it go, my friend. It is a branch on the tree of your life that is barren of leaves.
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Natima Lang - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:07:24 EST YUXbkxMF No.66638 Reply
>>66630

>message boards didn't exist in 1999

If you say so chief.
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Q - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 18:29:01 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66639 Reply
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What's the problem with Bolians needing to use the bathroom?
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Latha Mabrin - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 19:52:20 EST HeFO2p/X No.66640 Reply
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>>66638
>>literally talking about the 80s
>>message boards didn't exist in 1999
>>imagine being this pakled
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Commander Morag - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 19:30:32 EST 9oGYRduY No.66672 Reply
>>66669
Web bulletin boards weren't that popular in the 90's.

But while we're talking about the 80's, 90's and 00's Usenet existed in all of them and peaked in the 90's with the Web's popularity before waning in popularity as everyone moved to web boards before social media ruined everything.
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Tom Paris - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 20:22:27 EST bOlOhkyn No.66674 Reply
>>66672
web bulletin boards aren't what he means
back then you dialed your phone line into the bbs near you, and if you were lucky one of the three lines or so were open and you got in
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Alexander Rozhenko - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 20:27:23 EST /F4SF/9B No.66675 Reply
I just started watching TNG for the second time through. I think enough years have passed for me to do it again.
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DaiMon Nunk - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 21:10:12 EST /NHBIrVH No.66677 Reply
>>66674
Those were even less popular in the 90's. That shit died by 1993. It was a distinctly 80's thing. The ones that remained popular were available via telnet on the internet. Nobody wants to dial long distance to talk shit about star trek.

The majority of TNG-era Star Trek discussion on the internet took place on Usenet.
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Commander Donatra - Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:05:21 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.66680 Reply
>>66672
Usenet is still widely used as is IRC, DC hubs, and DDLs its just that private trackers have more of a "market share" but they are still widely used. In fact, I, and most data hoarders I know, still keep a block and unlimited usenet account for the things unavailable on public trackers. Warez is still up and doing great as well and of course IRC is still extremely popular especially for PTs and books.

BBSes not so much.

>>66677
True also nice trip dubs.


>>66675
>I do the whole franchise at least once a year as well as Babylon 5 and a few other shows. Sometimes chronological order and sometimes by airdate. I always skip discovery since its been out though and the Kelvin movies.
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Commander Tomalak - Sat, 09 Mar 2019 01:04:49 EST EQEtqPqY No.66681 Reply
>>66680
Discussion on Usenet is pretty shit these days. Mainly because even if people knew about it most ISPs have stopped hosting it, stopped running it and stopped offering it as a service at all.

So it's a separate subscription for most people and you know they're only doing that for piracy in that case.
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Albert Macklin - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:46:54 EST b2kjICL7 No.66688 Reply
I was sitting down to watch The Orville s02e09 & 10. Episode 9 finishes with the robot wars etc. I put on episode 10 and I already had seen it? It's in my memories, I know what happens, from like days ago. I checked my dates, I have not seen this, its kind of impossible. Could it be quantum cross over from the future when I was binging on Trek late night and watched it in its entirety somehow? I have the tv on next to me while I'm on the computer so the images could become more transparent.
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Albert Macklin - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:58:28 EST b2kjICL7 No.66689 Reply
>>66688 whoops found out I did see it on tv, damn stoner...
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Ensign Robin Lefler - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 22:42:35 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66690 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 14 Mar 2019 00:45:02 EST 7hZAtms2 No.66714 Reply
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VOY Fair Trade was playing in the tube.
Actually sitting through an episode of VOY for once inspired a new bumper out of me.
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 17:16:37 EST haHVIng2 No.66755 Reply
>>66714
Therm0, you absolute fucking legend
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:44:12 EST L/B0hL6r No.66757 Reply
>>66755
Thx m8 I'm pretty proud of this one lol.
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 20:27:06 EST haHVIng2 No.66762 Reply
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>>66757
I'd say you've got every reason to be. Not often a bumper comes along that's made out of pure, comedy gold-pressed latinum.
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Belongo - Tue, 19 Mar 2019 23:01:51 EST 4WVh8sFm No.66771 Reply
>>66714
fucking a therm that's great

great enough to make me forget you enjoy ENT for a few moments
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 00:19:06 EST 7hZAtms2 No.66772 Reply
>>66771
Yeah maybe I'll delete that VOY bumper and make an ENT one.
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Belongo - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:41:51 EST 4WVh8sFm No.66785 Reply
>>66772
Oh my but if it was ENT based then the cook would be.....

oh my god
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:24:13 EST a3zdZFKQ No.66789 Reply
>>66786
Hook me up with Blalock's mugshot pls?
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Karyn Archer - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 23:11:22 EST yLFBT7xS No.66799 Reply
Working my way through Voyager on Netflix for the first time since it originally aired.
I have to say, I didn't give this series enough credit the first time around.

I'm sorry, Star Trek. I hope you can forgive me.
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Major J Hayes - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 19:36:50 EST Q2vDTYuQ No.66801 Reply
>>66799
Funny, last time I watched it I realized I had given it too much credit for 20 years.
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Roy Ritterhouse - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 20:59:38 EST bOlOhkyn No.66802 Reply
>>66799
>>66801
Voyager for me is that nug you find under the couch. Yeah it's still something to smoke, and it seems to hit okay so I guess OH FUCK A CAT HAIR WAS IN IT Mister Vulcan!
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Furel - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:42:07 EST tV2HVxk5 No.66804 Reply
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>found out that one of my local tv networks play all the star trek shows nightly, including deep space nine

not gonna be missing my satellite tv
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Three of Five - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 02:36:57 EST H/sQoFtX No.66809 Reply
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Of all the stories they could have rolled with, Paramount chose THIS!? I'm still mad and this movies pisses me off every time I see it. Soundtrack was nice though.
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Q - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:10:31 EST 0KyxXOfA No.66893 Reply
DS9 5x02 4/10 The Ship.

@39:00 Vorta woman: "Do you have any gods, Captain Sisko?" Sisko: "There are... things I believe in" - What does Sisko believe in? I thought Roddenberry didn't want religion in Starfleet?
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Hugh - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:29:17 EST 7e/aHSEV No.66894 Reply
>>66893
Roddenberry was dead at this point, which is why the DS9 writers got away with the emphasis on Bajoran religion. I think specifically Roddenberry didn't want Earth religions in the Federation, the Bajoran space religion is a little different in that regard, and since Sisko is the emissary the things he believes in are probably related to the wormhole aliens.
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Thalen - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 02:18:13 EST bOlOhkyn No.66897 Reply
>>66893
>DS9
>Roddenberry didn't want
if Gene hadn't been cremated and shot into space the Earth would have been thrown off its axis from him spinning in his grave during DS9
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Nurse Jabara - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 04:26:39 EST 4WVh8sFm No.66898 Reply
>>66893
dude you can't say that you're an atheist when you are a space jesus
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Krax - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:42:27 EST NWIrh9SS No.66899 Reply
>>66898
I think in general DS9 bent a lot of Roddenberry's rules and broke a few more. However it never lost sight of or disregarded them entirely. In the Pale Moonlight Sisko doesn't regret his decision, he wouldn't choose any other way, but if he could have done it any other way he absolutely would have. He tried everything else first and even though it was an easy trade in the end, it was a costly one, did they break the rules? Absolutely but it's not like they took a dump on them and declare "that was awesome" (I'm looking at your into darkness) with everything shy of Kirk doing a kickflip on a skateboard as he violates the prime directive. The Prophets are gods in the sense the bajorans see them but they are not god in the way we in Earth define gods in our religions, I think this was more of a bending the rules.
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Lt. Joseph Carey - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:28:27 EST gOUFeB9G No.66900 Reply
>>66899
It's actually pretty deep ass sci fi. Beings powerful enough to be considered gods but aren't in the traditional sense on both sides are at play. Yet the only one that is allowed to keep that veil is the prophets while the founders are quickly disavowed as a species playing god when they had the power and ability to create races and dictate to them, just as traditional earth gods were believed to do. While the prophets existence and relation ot bajor are kept cryptic.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 19:59:12 EST 7hZAtms2 No.66941 Reply
>>66900
The Dominion is extremely cool. Could have used some serious lore and character building instead of being all mysterious.
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Q - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 20:25:03 EST 0KyxXOfA No.67174 Reply
Just watched DS9 5x24 Empok Nor which I give a 5/10. According to Memory-Alpha - With its focus on the lower ranked members of the away team, this episode bears some resemblance to the TNG episode, "Lower Decks".

What a load of bullshit, it was nothing like Lower Decks.
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Rekelen - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 05:10:51 EST Ao2CSlMZ No.67176 Reply
>>67174
Yeah it's a horror slasher but without the gore.

Garak gets his wish to match wits with O'Brien and O'Brien wins. I like the implications of the episode more than the episode itself. It says a lot about O'Brien and Garak and it's nice to occasionally see that Miles is the tactician he's supposed to be (considering he's used to winning battles as a soldier and does it as an engineer shows he's the real deal too). Also that he matches pretty well against spies. Which is something he deals with a few times, eventually defeating Sloan at the end of the season
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:30:18 EST 7hZAtms2 No.67200 Reply
HAPPY 420!
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:10:14 EST BmvSq/yo No.67216 Reply
Just finished Voyager, and man did that ending feel flat. I had to rewatch it thinking I missed some subtle details that would make it click more but still. They wasted a good plot I think.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:26:07 EST 31ynL/Cp No.67217 Reply
>>67216
Sorry, man. It's over now. You're safe.
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Lursa - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:27:02 EST 8Tu6WKEq No.67218 Reply
>>67216
VOY has a few great episodes, but overall it's a shitty show.
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Syrran - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:59:00 EST bOlOhkyn No.67219 Reply
>>67216
Voyager's ending isn't good, but it's a good ending for Voyager.
A mess of a story with time travel, Janeway doing everything and outdoing everybody (even Janeway), a bunch of explosions and shit, and basically a drawn out excuse to reset the status quo.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:19:43 EST BmvSq/yo No.67220 Reply
It just kind of felt like it was all rushed. Like the future wasn't really all that in need of a change. I think maybe showing how the alpha quadrant was pretty much safe from the borg but other places being absolutely scoured with this looming threat of them adapting and overcoming the defenses.
We get a lot of "where are they now" moments with the future stuff but all of it can be changed it may as well not even matter. They should have had a small coda on like the 1 year anniversary of the return, showing how other people have changed subtly for good and bad. Have the doctor settle for an obtuse and obnoxious name like Cornelius or Thaddeus and the have Tom ask why he couldn't have settled for a simpler name. Throw some irony around.

And I really wanted Admiral Janeway to succeed with the double cross plan of just having the borg drag Voyager back home. Or have some actual demonstrable dangers of breaking the temporal PD. Have them getting home sooner fuck something somewhere up somehow. Have some fingers pointing at the captain for fucking shit up, making the arrival bitter sweet. Everyone is home but a new time bandit like threat emerges. Or maybe just some lose threads in hypertime being a new metaplot for some potential future show. Instead it felt too clean. I mean they blow the shit out of everything, fuck over the borg through the batman gambit, then get eaten by borg pac man only to Ant-Man-Thanos-Anus their way to a moneyshot.
I mean yeah you get Admiral Janeway's sacrifice, but it doesn't matter since she wouldn't get to go home or even exist again anyways. I think it could have been more of a sacrifice to see her ass just in jail for breaking time law.
Whats the sentence for that anyways? I mean it has to be life right since its obvious you don't respect time law anyways and will just become a repeat offender in an attempt to prevent the original arrest in the first place.


Its bad writing when you can tl;dr a series finale with the words "time travel deus ex machina hands the heroes all the tools and information to solve the metaplot without any fear of resistance or threat"
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:09:05 EST 7hZAtms2 No.67221 Reply
>>67220
It's almost like Voyager is literally the worst everything and sucks Kazon cock.
simple as that
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 22 Apr 2019 15:04:19 EST 7hZAtms2 No.67227 Reply
>>67220
Nice to see you btw. Don't see you posting on this board very often. Are you going through all the series for the first time?
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Thu, 25 Apr 2019 01:58:53 EST BmvSq/yo No.67256 Reply
>>67227
Yeah but this is where the ride ends for me. I wanted to watch the shows that I hated when I was younger.
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Shakaar Edon - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 02:55:32 EST oDV8iW5L No.67262 Reply
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>>67259
Dude stay the fuck away from /1701/ i swear to the prophets
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 06:27:28 EST BmvSq/yo No.67263 Reply
>>67257
I mean that in a kind of endearing way. My brother always liked Trek but it was too dialogue based for me as a kid. I loved sci fi but would always get bored when the ethical episodes came on. As a whole Star Trek to me was an exciting opening sequence that showed space and wormholes and shit that then turned into a soap opera with rubber headed aliens.

RLM kind of made me re evaluate these shows from an outsiders perspective. They are pretty fucking amazing all truths be told.
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Four - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 06:44:40 EST mLqq7zY7 No.67266 Reply
>>>67262
Nope. We both like the same thing so I suggest you deal with it.
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Four - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 06:47:03 EST mLqq7zY7 No.67267 Reply
>>67262
Also Wesley is my favorite fight me.
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Species 8472 - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:04:59 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67268 Reply
>>67266
What are you doing here. In Star Trek humans have evolved beyond their flaws and baser instincts, a.k.a. no more anime.
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Four - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:45:15 EST mLqq7zY7 No.67269 Reply
>>67268
Come on man. I already got banned once already, let’s try and keep it about Star Trek, please?
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Kiri-kin-tha - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 09:11:15 EST 0GOSrar7 No.67270 Reply
>>67269
Fingers crossed for a second ban.
nb
filthy bajoran
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Q - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 21:05:32 EST 0KyxXOfA No.67278 Reply
>>67216
>Just finished Voyager, and man did that ending feel flat.
Agreed, they could have tied up some loose ends, showed everyone's promotions, seen what all the characters were up to.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 08:20:29 EST BmvSq/yo No.67286 Reply
>>67263
For example about the RLM thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAni8PwSvSA
In the middle of the spoilers for the new avengers movie Mike just goes on a rant that explains the whole last episode of Voyager... like I just watched this shit in time before he spoiled it.
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Four - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:01:11 EST qpXr2bFo No.67300 Reply
>>67267
For fucks sakes...
I don’t even know if that’s a joke ban or not. Wesley is such a good kid. How can anyone hate him is beyond me.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:21:39 EST 31ynL/Cp No.67306 Reply
>>67300
Of course it's a joke ban
but I dislike children
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:52:51 EST 31ynL/Cp No.67307 Reply
>>67306
At least children like Wesley because he's an absolute doofus.
Children are incomplete work, can't really judge 'em.
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Dmitri Valtane - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:07:16 EST rZ6srWpT No.67308 Reply
>>67307
At least young Wesley has an aura of innocense to him. Cadet Wesley is literally the worst.
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Four - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:23:36 EST qpXr2bFo No.67309 Reply
>>67308
I thought Cadet Wesley was a nice change. Even the genius kid can make mistakes under social pressure, and the last scene with Captain Jean Luc cemented the idea that he wasn’t a kid anymore and he won’t get any free passes for acting out of line.
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Four - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:28:35 EST qpXr2bFo No.67310 Reply
>>67307
Ha!
You’re not the first one to think that. the word “children” in my native language literally means “morons”
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Groundskeeper Boothby - Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:18:48 EST c0sJvd+s No.67324 Reply
I started watching Discovery season 2 and I made it about 30 minutes into the first episode before turning it off. I just can't take that garbage. I fucking hate Burnham and now I even hate Saru. And Tilly who was probably the first character I actually liked in season 1 is now absolutely fucking intolerable. Pike actually seems alright but I Burnham's constant being right and everyone else being wrong because she's the best because reasons is unbearable. Pike pretty much just seems to be there as a tool to make Burnham seem better than everyone. And when the guy in the shuttle craft died because he didn't listen to Burnham it was so god damn predictable and fucking obnoxious that it was pretty much the last straw. I at least did get a chuckle. With Saru's wife asks young Burnham what her name is and she says "Michael" I just imagined her saying "who the fuck named you that" and got a lol.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:48:21 EST 7hZAtms2 No.67326 Reply
>>67324
I've seen bits and pieces of season 2. At one point there is literally a fucking FLEET of Section 31 ships.

I'm not fucking lying. How's that for covert ops?
What a faggot of a show.
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Captain Kurn - Wed, 01 May 2019 09:51:26 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67338 Reply
>>67326
Yeah but they camouflage themselves to look like an asteroid. Nobody suspects an asteroid moving at warp speed.
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Guinan - Wed, 01 May 2019 13:16:28 EST b048m/L8 No.67339 Reply
>>67326
My God.. it's even worse than I imagined
Thankfully I dropped STD in s1 when they went over to the mirror universe
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General Martok - Wed, 01 May 2019 13:56:51 EST EL6TEh+z No.67340 Reply
Just wanna say I think Voyager is super underrated and Janeway is the best Captain followed by Sisko Kirk and Picard can suck it
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Captain Kurn - Wed, 01 May 2019 14:00:51 EST VGs+UXr9 No.67341 Reply
>>67340
you gotta try harder than that man. we're trek nerds. we're only gonna fall for bait like that the first few dozen or so times.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 01 May 2019 14:42:08 EST 31ynL/Cp No.67343 Reply
>>67342
Liking VOY or Wrongway is a bannable offense. Stahp
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 01 May 2019 16:29:33 EST 31ynL/Cp No.67345 Reply
>>67344
Anbo jitsu me irl jolly african-american
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General Martok - Wed, 01 May 2019 16:33:54 EST EL6TEh+z No.67346 Reply
>>67345
Bring it scrublord I'm ripped

Also Tuvok could kick Spock's dorky logical ass
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Composer Delvok - Wed, 01 May 2019 17:39:00 EST HeFO2p/X No.67348 Reply
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>>67346
Tuvok could take Spock in a fist fight, but Spock would win if he could get his brain fingers on him cause his much higher Power Level if these readings are right this is the beginning of the universe its over 9000 in Kholinar.

Can we talk about character deathmatches now instead of whatever you Herberts are arguing about? Who do you guys have in the battle of isles: Scotty vs O'Brien? Miles has him on mass and physique, but I bet Monty fights dirty and is a master of drunken kung fu and kilt-bagging.
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Gor - Wed, 01 May 2019 17:59:49 EST /8C5+DYy No.67350 Reply
>>67348
O'Brien fights dirty and is a master tactican and war hero he's bested Klingons, Jem Hadar and even a xenocidal Tailor jacked up on hatred steroids juice. In a drinking contest I'd put my money on Scotty though.

Okay how about Nurse Chapel versus Luxwana Troi? One is younger and has medical knowledge, one can read the other's mind and fights dirty. Physically they're well matched because they're both played by the same person.

Or Weyoun, Shran and Brunt in a 3 way cage fight? I think Shran is the strongest, Brunt is the dirtiest so it's hard, but one thing I'm sure of is that Weyoun X+1 will need to be popped out the pack when the fight is done
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Slimjob_Dopamine - Wed, 01 May 2019 19:51:21 EST b0lXiZRB No.67352 Reply
>>67348
Your gif is working me, it's called a double axe handle, not a double fist.
>Scotty vs O'Brien? Miles has him on mass and physique, but I bet Monty fights dirty and is a master of drunken kung fu and kilt-bagging.
Miles is a war criminal who is responsible for countless deaths, the only way Scotty has any sort of a chance is if it's Monday and O'Brien is coming out of the holodeck with another dislocated shoulder.
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Cyrano Jones - Thu, 02 May 2019 03:03:28 EST gOUFeB9G No.67358 Reply
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>>67348
Nick Locarno vs Wesley Crusher after school behind the gym.
Datas manufacturer warranty vs Tasha Yar

What would you consider a good darmok and jelad at tenagra. Any 2 man team vs any monster/life form, 2 man team gets knife only.

Skirt man from the early TNG seasons and barclay vs cave riker.
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Slimjob_Dopamine - Thu, 02 May 2019 04:45:45 EST b0lXiZRB No.67359 Reply
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>>67358
I'll go for the low-hanging fruit and say Captain Proton and Buster Kincaid vs Queen Arachnia
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Slimjob_Dopamine - Thu, 02 May 2019 17:08:14 EST b0lXiZRB No.67363 Reply
>>67358
Age-accelerated Wesley and fully-functional Data vs Tasha "Drugs make you feel good" Yar in a 2 on 1 hardcore match.
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Vedek Bareil - Thu, 02 May 2019 21:34:02 EST HeFO2p/X No.67369 Reply
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>>67350
>>Luxwana vs Chapel
It would depend on how long they had to prepare. Flat-footed, Luxwana could probably mind-rape Chapel and turn her into a sobbing mess crying over how she'll never get that spiny rotating Spock D. But, if she could go to the med-bay first, Chapel could probably cook up some sort of caustic spray that Luxwana would crumple to like a sack of bergamots.

>>67352
>> it's called a double axe handle, not a double fist.
I guess you don't know that 'double fisting' is a thing? I would show you but this is a nsfw board.
Also you underestimate Scotty. He has been ready to vaporize whole planets to save Kirk more times than O'Brien has seen Cakehole's cakehole (which is, optimistically, 1, but still.)

>>67358
>>Nick Locarno vs Wesley Crusher
Locarno, easy. He would chop up his body with a meat cleaver and boil his bones down for souvenirs too, that dudes a psycho. Honestly, Wesley loses to anybody if he doesn't have his Traveler powers yet. Even Mayweather, who would just float above him in the gravity sweet spot and spit in his mouth until he drowned.

>>Datas manufacturer warranty vs Tasha Yar
If you prick him, does he not leak?

>>2 man team vs monsters of the week
Most of the monsters of the weak are surprisingly powerful and usually only die to a weakness vulnerable to one of the characters that face them. Like for example you wouldn't think Diana would be very useful against most of them, yet if you don't have her against the Skin of Evil no one else has the power to pedantically psychoanalyze pure evil into giving up on life. Can anyone think of a two man team without Troi who could take the Skin of Evil? Spock and Tuvok could maybe try to dual mind-meld it, but a.) is its 'nervous system' compatible and b.) their minds might get overpowered by a civilization's worth of hate.

>>cave riker vs anyone
cave riker is the most op of the animorphed crew, except lizard worf.

>>67359
>>Captain Proton and Buster Kincaid vs Queen Arachnia
Queen arachnia cause she can just say, 'you're demoted' or 'you'll never be promoted' and it's over.

>>67363
>>Age-accelerated Wesley and fully-functional Data vs Tasha "Drugs make you feel good" Yar
Data's dick breaks off and Wesley's asshole will never completely shut again. Yar says, 'fuck you guys, this is stupid' then spends the next 30 years desperately texting 'u guys wanna hang out sometime?'
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Gantt - Sat, 04 May 2019 10:42:13 EST /8C5+DYy No.67402 Reply
>>67369
Scotty is badass but O'Brien is a god murdering tactician. The truth is that they'd make a better bromance. Unlike Laforge who had to work at it, they'd click instantly. I mean look at their reaction to someone insulting the enterprise.

>2 man team vs monsters of the week
Yeah though what if the monster was Lore? I mean obviously Data wins with any help, even Wesley. But what about O'Brien and Worf versus him? Worf's just there to act as a distraction/literal meat shield while O'Brien treknobabbles a win or creates a brutal landmine trap with his tricorder.
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Q - Sat, 04 May 2019 20:26:39 EST 0KyxXOfA No.67413 Reply
I've just finished watching DS9 6x13 Far Beyond the Stars which I gave a 7/10. It was great to see the actors outside of their usual roles.

From Memory-Alpha: The producers also toyed with the idea of ending the series (in "What You Leave Behind") with a shot of Benny Russell sitting outside a television sound stage holding a script for "Deep Space Nine" – essentially making the series, and possibly the whole of Star Trek, either a dream or a prophecy from the Bajoran Prophets – but this idea was ultimately rejected.

I think they should have chose that ending, just like I think they should have ended Buffy on the episode where she's in a mental institution.
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Captain Kurn - Sun, 05 May 2019 10:53:26 EST gOUFeB9G No.67420 Reply
>>67413
That's the most meta ending I ever heard. Instead they chose to have benny go insane as a theme of doubt or what ever but now that seems like a hammer by comparison.
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Christine Chapel - Sun, 05 May 2019 13:44:20 EST XF0x4Tp5 No.67423 Reply
>>67369
>Even Mayweather, who would just float above him in the gravity sweet spot and spit in his mouth until he drowned.
My sides.
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Kira Meru - Mon, 06 May 2019 04:30:12 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67426 Reply
>>67413
They would have upset too many people which is probably why they didn't do it.

Maybe if there were more episodes about Benny they could've built a case that both realities are legitimate in their own way instead of the "it was all a dream" cliche.
We all know Trek is fiction but to many of us it's very real, kinda in the same way Benny regards it. To end the show with "yeah nah it was all fake lol" is kinda insulting to the fans and the legacy of Star Trek.
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Kira Meru - Mon, 06 May 2019 06:00:08 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67428 Reply
>>67427
That's just the events in the finale though. And yeah everybody hated it.
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Rekelen - Mon, 06 May 2019 06:01:37 EST 60zgf9Xq No.67429 Reply
>>67428
>just the events in the finale

no, it was the whole thing
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Kira Meru - Mon, 06 May 2019 07:06:50 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67430 Reply
>>67429
Maybe that's your interpretation but it's not the intention of the writer and not what you actually see when you watch the episode.
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Katherine Pulaski - Mon, 06 May 2019 07:37:57 EST s8CONafd No.67431 Reply
>>67430
Every episode is from the perspective of the crew based on logs and internal sensors recreated on the holodeck.
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Kira Meru - Mon, 06 May 2019 07:47:34 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67432 Reply
>>67431
Believe what you will I guess, I'm gonna stop arguing against what is clearly your personal headcanon.
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Naomi Wildman - Mon, 06 May 2019 12:11:22 EST gOUFeB9G No.67433 Reply
>>67432
I only just showed up. It doesn't even need to be head canon though. Every episode starts with a log entry and we have all seen how all seeing federation, or any, security can be when the writers want it to be. Geordi even does some super CSI zoom and enhance to render a probable size for a cloaked humanoid casting a shadow in the holodeck recreation of a 10 year old mission. No reason HQ can't just hit replay on the holodeck complete with log entries as commentary and get a detailed report beyond all counts. Though that's probably what section 31 does, fed int and HQ probably wait for sisko and picard to upload to their trek tube page.
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NotR - Mon, 06 May 2019 14:49:05 EST FA22Nn8e No.67434 Reply
>>67433
By that logic you could argue every Star Trek episode is just a simulation. What's the point of pretending this TV show is actually an in-universe fake?

The ENT finale makes it pretty clear that it's a holodeck simulation. Why would one suddenly assume that is also the case for every preceding episode when there is zero evidence.
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Rekelen - Mon, 06 May 2019 15:31:12 EST 60zgf9Xq No.67437 Reply
>>67434
It was the end of the entire show, not just the end of a random episode. Plus the conversation between Riker and Troi heavily implies that he was simulating the whole thing and not just that one event.

Either way ENT fucking sucks.
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Jean-Luc Picard - Tue, 07 May 2019 04:15:19 EST dxbxaNJV No.67441 Reply
>>67434
I'm not pilling this entire idea on top of fat rikers holoprogram. It's more of an example that supports the idea that the end result of the TV show is as if Starfleet filmed inside the holodeck recreation of any given mission. If any thing this head canon makes trek less fake than it being a bunch of current day actors fucking around on a stage all day. If it can even be called head canon, it really doesn't effect any thing in the series. except for when it ruined ENT but even that was less of an offense than killing Dax
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Jean-Luc Picard - Tue, 07 May 2019 04:28:15 EST dxbxaNJV No.67442 Reply
>>67441
Also I wonder if fat riker picked up on the time changes that would later come into effect during the first contact movie when Archer was saying how Cochran became all crazy about time travelers and cyborgs... And then shit his pants about how borg were on Antarctica. That's probably why Picard didn't hesitate to follow the borg back aside from seeing Earth go borg in front of him. Riker probably told Picard and maybe Guinan threw her cosmic 2 cents in and in that moment the sphere hit the time portal they knew what was about to happen.
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Q - Thu, 09 May 2019 13:39:49 EST 0KyxXOfA No.67452 Reply
Just watched DS9 6x18 Inquisition which I gave a 7/10. Episode introduces Section 31, who else thinks it should be called Section 47?
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I.G. Tarah - Thu, 09 May 2019 15:54:41 EST HeFO2p/X No.67453 Reply
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>>67452
It's Section 13 backwards. It's to bring home the spooky bois

Also every time people need a random number it's always 42, 47, or 69. We get it! People like Hitchiker's Guide, guns/Hitman, and blowjobs. There are other numbers that need lovin too!
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Kono - Thu, 23 May 2019 13:04:18 EST VTqhVSCv No.67620 Reply
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Deforest Kelley is the best God damn actor on Star Trek: Any of them.

Dr. McCoy isn't the best character, and sometimes they even write him shitty and incompetent, but god damn DeForest's delivery is amazing. In a world of late 60's sci fi and budget television acting, not one emotion does he project that doesn't feel authentic.

And god damn, this iceberg was fucking fearless in this scene with Khan
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Vosk - Fri, 24 May 2019 21:27:33 EST bOlOhkyn No.67647 Reply
>>67620
for lack of a nicer way to put it, was D Kelly ever in anything good? I know Trek, Random Western, and Night Of The Lepus
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Commander Donatra - Sat, 25 May 2019 18:44:42 EST HeFO2p/X No.67649 Reply
>>67647
"Random Western" bruh DeForest was westerns in the 60s. He was all over the place, his credit list is quite long. Out of the three leads he was the one whose career was already the most firmly established; he took Trek simply because he had always wanted to play a doctor in a recurring role. Trek was pretty much the end of his career by design; people tend to forget how much older he was than the other two.
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Vosk - Sat, 25 May 2019 18:46:16 EST bOlOhkyn No.67651 Reply
>>67649
yeah that's what I meant, like basically you could grab any random western and there's pretty good odds he's in it
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Syrran - Mon, 27 May 2019 20:19:22 EST bOlOhkyn No.67672 Reply
over on Quarks-Bar the other trek channel on cytube
>The Wounded
>Keiko shows what a horrible shitrag pile of crap she is by freaking out at the idea that Potato's mother actually cooked
like holy shit I completely forgot about that little nugget of "Keiko is the worst person ever"
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Q - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 11:44:50 EST 0KyxXOfA No.67692 Reply
DS9 7x10 It's Only a Paper Moon - Which I give a 1/10. It had no real sci-fi theme & not much happens in it. Episode tackles the issue of PTSD but 4x19 Hard Time does it much better & to a lesser extent 5x04 Nor the Battle to the Strong. SF Debris score: 8/10.
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Kornan - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 13:30:36 EST bOlOhkyn No.67693 Reply
>>67692
I like old Vegas-y shit so I have a hard time mustering up the rage most people have at Vic episodes
the jazz station near me plays Vic's actor's music sometimes, it's kinda neat to hear Vic Fontaine on FM
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Guinan - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 13:59:11 EST rR0LFyHV No.67694 Reply
>>67693
Vic in of itself isn't a problem. Lounge music, it's not a problem. The problem is there's just TOO MUCH. The same goes for Ęzrī. In the last season and a half we get two new characters with which to create filler. That being said, the episode where they have to do the bank heist in the holodeck is great and wouldn't have been without some setup.

My biggest issue with DS9 after several full rewatches is that the dramatic momentum of the dominion war is basically driven to a halt by both Vic and Eżŕi because they wanted to have filler episodes for these two new characters added at the very end for no reason. We dont really need so much of either one, if they had both been toned down 20-30% the show would be 100% better. Even the dukat character assasination arc seems more intronoscally palatable and that was also one of DS9s greatest blunders. Now dont get me wrong, DS9 is an amazing show. But the reason it has been largely underappreciated is that they dropped the ball a couple of times and didnt manage to make it even better. One other major flaw for me was the lack of any real epilogue. With such an epic story of galactic politics, war, and intrigue it felt like it just kind of abruptly ended to me. I feel like a Garak or Bashir POV 6 months down the line would be interesting. You almost get a taste of that in the Garak novel, but not enough for me to scratch that itch. I dunno, did anyone else feel thos way or is it a side effect from the Nexus?
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Kornan - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 14:41:01 EST bOlOhkyn No.67695 Reply
>>67694
I'm not sure but I think there were DS9 books that continue the story along the lines of the Dukat book, like Kira runs the station and stuff
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I.G. Keval - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:35:00 EST V7km0UnK No.67696 Reply
>>67694
>Eżŕi because they wanted to have filler episodes for these two new characters added at the very end for no reason.

Well, there was a reason. Terry Farrell quit the show.
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Guinan - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 01:19:01 EST b048m/L8 No.67697 Reply
>>67696
Sure, sure but that doesnt necessitate much more than telling us there was another Dax. I noticed she has a lot of POV scenes right off the bat, more so than any other character. My complaint is that she should have been more of a secondary character, at least at first but was instead her yelling "jadzia used to liek waffles". She was unnecessary fluff and she deflated a lot of the tension of the Dominion arc because alluvasudden we have to meet her family and shit. Did we ever meet Kira's brothers? Ou whoops you forgot that she had brothers.. so did the writers. I mean Ëzri literally says Curzons name more in DS9 than Jadzia does.. and she is in about 1/8 the episodes. The existence of a new host is fine, although according to trill tradition she shouldn't have gone to DS9 at all.. they shouldn't interact with old lovers and all that. But there's several episodes that have nothing to do with anything other than a newly introduced character. I mean what the fuck were they thinking? They had the end of the war in sight. And it seems pretty clear they never really intended to go further than that, (as much as I would like them to).

In short that's just not good enough reason to devote so much time to her. We saw that the last host died. We know she left.
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Q - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 20:32:29 EST 0KyxXOfA No.67701 Reply
DS9 7x12 The Emperor's New Cloak which I give a 3/10. The alternate universe, in my opinion, is getting silly. Given the quite different histories of this universe and that one, it is simply beyond probability that all the same people would gather in the same place--or that there would be corresponding people in each universe to begin with. Why would worthless whiny bitch be Dax in the mirror universe? Wouldn't Jadzia have died differently?

@~20:00 Quark says "My nagus" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpTH1In0ias
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Autistic Trekkie - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 23:27:18 EST jsAleEaU No.67703 Reply
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>>OP64230
Doctor who is much better but a fag like you wouldn't understand it because you are too stupid
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Commander Suran - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 13:16:21 EST 9a07ExZI No.67736 Reply
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>>64230
Just watched tng s6e21 Frame of Mind
Damn disturbing episode, reminds me of my ketamine overdoses when I shift from reality to another trying to figure out what's real and what's not
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Emperor Kahless - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 07:28:17 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67742 Reply
>>67736
I wish that epsiode was longer or something, they could have kept the mindfuck thing going even longer.

Imagine if it had a part 2 but it wasn't announced as such, just a normal-ish episode with a few hints that something isn't quite right. Then in the third act Riker completely loses it after realizing the past month was all in his mind.
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Hikaru Sulu - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:31:29 EST fvB78BJp No.67743 Reply
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>>67742

Imagine they build a whole season around that plot just to reveal in the final episode that the past year was all in Rikers head. Then 5 seasons just to reveal that the whole of Star Trek doesn't exist, Roddenberry never lived and ST is just the product of a mad mind on drugs in a rehab center posting on /1701 that is you and wesley crusher is your doctor with michael burnham as his assistant, raping you whenever she pleases.
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Nava - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:56:30 EST 60zgf9Xq No.67748 Reply
>>67743
imagine if they did four whole seasons of a bad, overtly patriotic star trek just to reveal at the end that it was Riker wanking off in the holodeck the WHOLE time
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Guinan - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:22:00 EST b048m/L8 No.67751 Reply
>>67748
Enterprise s4 is arguably better than most Voyager seasons though. And only s3 was overly patriotic. And admit it, you wouldn't have complained if it was Romulans that did space 9/11. No one would have. A full season of an interstellar nuclear war with Romulans would have been so much cooler than what we really got for s3.
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Legate Turrel - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 09:26:53 EST /QXsdGLU No.67758 Reply
>>64230
So I try to watch trek TNG last night, some early episode from season 3, and it's all Wesley. Ruined my whole night.
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Tuvok - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:11:27 EST byRgzBbN No.67764 Reply
>>67758

getting through the wesley episodes is an honorable right of passage. it's like that klingon ritual of getting poked with the pain sticks
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Lt. JG Saavik - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:57:09 EST nlyt/bK4 No.67765 Reply
>>67764
Except that Wesley isn't present for that because O'Brien fed him some bullshit about exploding heads.
>based O'Brien saved the day again
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Private W Woods - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 17:37:14 EST 9a07ExZI No.67776 Reply
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Since people are talking about wesley... Any one wanna talk about s7e20 "Journey's End"? The one were wesley became all greenpeace after going on a mescaline/dmt trip with the traveler and the indians who had to move to another planet from kardassian territory?
Wesley basically trips balls, gives up his citizenship with the federation and stays with the indians smoking erryday. And on top of that possibly became a space god traveller.

tfw that will never happen to you. fucking wesley..
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Thomas Riker - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 19:40:52 EST oDV8iW5L No.67777 Reply
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>>67776
Wesley is so gay not even chilling with the machine elves in actual SPACE could make him cool
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Guinan - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 02:17:05 EST b048m/L8 No.67778 Reply
>>67776
Wesley does drugs ONE TIME and ends up creating the Maquis
Good job asshole
shoulda listened to Yar's crazy PSA bullshit
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Xerius - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:42:50 EST QbMtGnA1 No.67782 Reply
>>67778
This is now my head canon as the reason Chipotle's tribe now uses technology for their peyote trips.
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Minister Kuvak - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:00:04 EST 9a07ExZI No.67788 Reply
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>>67777
Your posts numerals indicate that you are 100% correct on that my man
>>67778
Lol guess he kinda did, what a sperg
>>67782
I had to check memory alpha because you mentioned that chipotles tripping tricorder™
Seems like it's called an akoonah
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Akoonah
This page confirms that it functions like a drug, made to replace psychedelic drugs.
Wonder how it works haha, stimulating the receptors via transporters? wtf
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Idrin - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 02:11:01 EST 60zgf9Xq No.67789 Reply
>>67788
I always assumed the name was a reference to "achuma" or trichocerus bridgesii, a very lovely mescaline+ cactus
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Marla Gilmore - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:08:33 EST FZnEMFRU No.67790 Reply
>>67789
Wouldn't be surprised if that's what the hippy let's include a stereotype bull shit Indian man writers were referencing.
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Tallera - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:27:05 EST 9a07ExZI No.67793 Reply
>>67790
Thats all on Jeri Taylor, I think all the dumb shit comes from her. Voyager is bad, but I still like it. Could have been so much better

The concept of the akoonah proved to be highly controversial, which thrilled Jeri Taylor. She considered neither the technology nor its uses to be supernatural. Of the device, she remarked, "It's been extremely controversial, which I love. I'm delighted to stir up controversy. We are positing that maybe American Indians in the twenty-fourth century have a technology that allows them to tap into their subconscious in a safe way so that they no longer have to take drugs, fast or go to sweat lodges. Consequently, they navigate their unconscious frequently and are very much more comfortable with it than most of us. I see nothing supernatural about that. This is a man going through his unconscious, tapping into whatever is inside him that can help him navigate through his life."

Jeri Taylor was "delighted to stir up controversy". I think she's the one behind most of the forced progressive stuff on the later trek shows. Roddenberry did it right. Taylors approach is forced and sometimes even cringe inducing
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Liquidator Brunt - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:56:18 EST 4xG8xdJJ No.67794 Reply
>>67793
Misogyny much?

I think a device that can you can tune to produce any mind altering effect you'd like and instantly turns off when you have a bad trip would be fucking awesome.
I un-ironically would pay 4 figures for that.
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Former Gul Rusot - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:35:57 EST nlzUVGqC No.67804 Reply
>>67793
You forgot to mention that some (certainly not all) of the forced progressive stuff felt inauthentic and even disingenuous.

And about the Akoonah, I wonder if she and some of the other writers read The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch..
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Jannar - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 18:14:08 EST k0qm/nFw No.67806 Reply
>>67793
That pilled on top of all the other dollar store authentic Indian stuff and I get why real natives would hate voy
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Tavek - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 18:27:13 EST bOlOhkyn No.67807 Reply
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>>67806
didn't Voyager have some Professional Injun as an advisor who turned out to be a total fraud?
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Emperor Reclaw - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 18:53:24 EST V7km0UnK No.67808 Reply
>>67807
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater

I mean, that's such a fuckin fake ass Indian name that only shithead Hollywood Liberals could be fooled by it. Hell, REAL native rights leaders kept ringing the bell on this asshole, but I mean, who'd believe Hank Adams over Jamake Highwighter?
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Sphere Builder - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:12:58 EST VpKCGFq6 No.67812 Reply
>>67811
The creation of Chipotle's character waa informed by the fake info given by Jamake. Pretty funny in hindsight.
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I.G. Keval - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:46:33 EST bOlOhkyn No.67813 Reply
>>67812
I like Chipotle being some random pastiche of crap, it fits with "Hikaru Sulu from, uhh.... Asian"
They needed to do that with everyone, like Trip is still Florida Man but he sometimes says Midwest shit like "oh yeah doncha know"
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Latha Mabrin - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 20:04:47 EST N5tsxGYI No.67816 Reply
>>67813
Trip also has suspiciously nice teeth for a flawdian
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Guinan - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 23:24:52 EST b048m/L8 No.67818 Reply
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>>64230
Well guys, I finished a stardate watchthrough, using https://thestartrekchronologyproject.blogspot.com/

Only I made a few minor changes. For instance, the VOY episode Living Witness, in my opinion, is a very fitting epitaph for trek.. but the guy who compiled that list didn't think so. I disagree, I think its pretty gud. Secondly, and this is very important, when watching the TOS movies, skip 5 and watch it after 6, but immediately before you watch that, watch the intro portion of Star Trek Generations.. trust me on this, it takes star trek to a whole new level.

This was actually my first time watching it in this manner (some episodes are shuffled around a bit, and there's significant overlap between shows) but it was a really cool way to watch it. The list itself is only really needed from when DS9 starts, in S6 of TNG, and it ends in S6 of VOY if I recall. If you haven't watched it by stardate, it;s kinda fun.. at least for the TNG/DS9/VOY part.
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Mordoc - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:32:02 EST yVrf+Mmr No.67821 Reply
>>67818
I remember doing my start date run. Crisco punched Q then Q ran off to bully Picard by turning him into a beta bitch or allowing him to avoid that by intentionally getting arranged in the heart. But bonus point for the writers coming full circle on the throw away line from season 2. Strange sensation I remember I laughed out loud. But not even Picard knew why until Q paid another visit.
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Mordoc - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:36:00 EST yVrf+Mmr No.67822 Reply
>>67821
Intentionally getting stabbed. If the borg ever assimilate smart phone touch screen it would do more damage than Hugh or retarded children.
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Tiron - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:33:45 EST bOlOhkyn No.68567 Reply
watching Mazes and Monsters and the nerd talked about how he thought he was like Mr Spock and didn't have feelings and that means he is wrong about star trek because Vulcans have feelings and they have to supress them with logic
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Mordoc - Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:23:13 EST 0KyxXOfA No.68622 Reply
Voyager 1x04 Phage - FUNNY THOUGHT: At the end of the episode, Tuvok SHOULD have said, "Live LUNG and prosper!".
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Roy Ritterhouse - Sun, 22 Sep 2019 01:01:32 EST BBoo42qJ No.68624 Reply
>>68623

I could have sworn that Spock made a pun at some point, but I could be misremembering.

Also, OP's pic made me want to go watch the Tsunkatse episode of Voyager. I'd forgotten how awesome it fucking is. Jeffery Combs and J.G. Hertzler together in a non DS9 episode.
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Christine Chapel - Sun, 22 Sep 2019 02:16:32 EST bOlOhkyn No.68625 Reply
>>68623
vulcans are a bunch of lying space elves

also RIP Guy Who Played Nog
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Gul Macet - Sun, 22 Sep 2019 02:43:40 EST afyoN6gn No.68626 Reply
>>68625
>also RIP Guy Who Played Nog

Aw man, it's true. RIP Aron Eisenberg. Truly one of the magnificent Ferengi.

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