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- Fri, 04 May 2018 06:08:26 EST b048m/L8 No.64475
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Here will be a spoiler-rich thread. Beware, ye who haven't watched all the Trek yet..
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Guinan - Fri, 04 May 2018 06:56:03 EST b048m/L8 No.64478 Reply
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THE VOYAGER CONSPIRACY-CONSPIRACY

Janeway was sent by section 31 to acquire technology from the caretaker array at any cost, her secondary objective was to explore the Delta quadrant, acquire technology, and achieve alliances on the way home. The original plan was to use the Barzan wormhole, but the ferengi fucked everything up, and Janeway was already mad with power

Seven almost figures it out in the titular episode, but her theory is dismissed, in spite of several remaining mysteries
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David Marcus - Fri, 04 May 2018 07:24:13 EST bJrisuWk No.64479 Reply
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datalore - they showed lore disrupting data to cause the twitch and possibly the contractions

voyager - moonface aka janeway was just a noob pilot who deserves no in depth analysis.

the movies don't count
who watches the movies?
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Jaresh-Inyo - Fri, 04 May 2018 18:21:22 EST l5TvN503 No.64481 Reply
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In an alternate timeline Odo made it to Earth and became a coke druglord in the 80's.
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 05:34:50 EST Baaf62Fx No.64484 Reply
>>64483
I never thought of the Nexus granting Guinan the ability to manipulate time and space on par with a Q, although that would certainly make him fear her. My headcanon for Q's wariness of Guinan is that she (whether by touching the Nexus or just by her species' nature) is able to detect a Q and a Q's meddling and can block a Q's powers.

She's not more "powerful" than Q exactly. She's certainly not an existential threat to him, but she's a blindspot to him and can mute his abilities to some degree. In "Q Who" she senses his presence, yet Q is surprised to see her there and with a different name than he remembers. When she raises her hands at him, it suggests she's preparing to block anything he might attempt on her as she doesn't actually do anything to him. In "Deja Q" it could be argued that Guinan was well aware that Q was powerless when she stabbed his hand, taking a rare opportunity to cause him harm. In "Yesterday's Enterprise," she senses the alteration immediately and eventually unravels it to the best of her abilities (observation and persuasion, not reality manipulation). That wasn't caused by a Q, but if she can tell when reality's been altered by a random event, it may be easier for her to tell when it's been done by an entity.

Q accuses Guinan of being a "imp" who trouble follows, but he's the one who can be anywhere and everywhere and who enjoys toying with mortals. She can spoil his fun and he can't get back at her. That's probably as close to scary as anything to a Q.
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Lt. Talas - Sat, 05 May 2018 09:59:02 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64485 Reply
I figured Q has a glass jaw and isn't able to omniscience at people who are beyond basic time sense, so Guinan and Sisko because he's part wormhole alien are both able to beat the shit out of him even if they don't have much for godlike alien powers beyond a mild awareness of things beyond linear time.
Q is kind of a pussy so he wants to avoid getting beat up.
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Ambassador Soval - Sat, 05 May 2018 19:14:23 EST Baaf62Fx No.64494 Reply
>>64485
I like that reasoning and the Sisko tie-in. "Q-Less" is pretty forgettable but that adds something to it. That's good headcanon that I might even roll into mine, though I still can't see them as being able to hurt Q, per se, if only because of his power level.
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Corporal Chang - Sat, 05 May 2018 23:15:01 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64495 Reply
>>64484
>She can spoil his fun and he can't get back at her. That's probably as close to scary as anything to a Q.

That actually sounds pretty valid. Q is a creature of mischief. Or at least perceived mischief. I've always wondered if Q wasn't truly guiding some shit in human development with some high minded purpose behind it. Or, perhaps, other Q were doing the guiding and Q was just a rebel against dominant paradigm. Perhaps he was intentionally trying to fuck up some science experiment that the Q were performing. Maybe Q was the equivalent of a PETA activist who releases lab rats into the wild based on his own deep seated ethical beliefs.
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Guinan - Sun, 06 May 2018 08:37:00 EST b048m/L8 No.64499 Reply
I always believed that Q's unsaid secret at the end of All Good Things was something along the lines of humans one day becoming the Q after going all Gary Mitchell inside a temporal vortex or something
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Dexter Remmick - Sun, 06 May 2018 11:15:53 EST 6q7f8dAn No.64501 Reply
>>64499
Q was gonna tell him that he just ripped a heinous fart but decided to let Picard catch a waft of it.
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Corporal Chang - Sun, 06 May 2018 14:00:51 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64505 Reply
>>64499
This. I always wondered if the Q weren't just super-evolved humans who time traveled to make sure they became super-evolved humans. Q warning Starfleet of the Borg threat was certainly a gift....
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Corporal Chang - Sun, 06 May 2018 15:46:02 EST 5VzmgF16 No.64507 Reply
>>64506
Honestly, part of the beauty of Q is shit like that. He is a very ambiguous character in his motivations. On one hand he is a pain in the ass, and on the other he may just be the PITA that Starfleet needs.
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John Cusack - Tue, 08 May 2018 08:42:52 EST a1dhqo0x No.64522 Reply
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I reckon the reason behind our boy Reg's social anxiety and general spazzery is that he's a genetic augment like Bashir, only the procedure fucked up like those "that's a stupid question" guys.

When he got hyper-intelligent and plugged the computer into his brain he wasn't "growing more intelligent", the incident just rewired his neurochemistry to unlock power he was supposed to have all along.
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Jimmy - Tue, 08 May 2018 10:10:45 EST l5TvN503 No.64525 Reply
>>64522
At least he ended up better off than that one spaz with the "huh-huh-huh-huh-huh?" tick
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Dr. T'Pan - Wed, 09 May 2018 00:17:37 EST 4WVh8sFm No.64527 Reply
My headcannon is that the Riker who is running the holodeck simulation of ENT is actually Scott Bakula's character from quantum leap who has made a leap into Rikers body and doesn't know what to do to get back so he just holodecks a simulation where his real self is the captain of a ship
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Noah Lessing - Wed, 09 May 2018 04:05:49 EST KwEqvsmL No.64529 Reply
>>64527
Ironically, all he had to do was accept a command of his own.
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Herbert Rossoff - Wed, 09 May 2018 10:02:22 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64531 Reply
>>64527
The real ending of Enterprise is that Captain Archer starts to give his speech and Sam leaps out.
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Gul Evek - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:36:43 EST 38Rd3CpY No.64599 Reply
>>64484
My headcanon is that Guinan (and perhaps all El-Aurians, might even represent a schism in the continuum) is Q who forsook Q's reality-altering powers and roleplays as a mortal in order to better observe and understand reality. This would explain the almost philosophical nature of Guinan's dispute with Q, where Q often acts without listening and Guinan listens but rarely acts. Perhaps Q has nothing to fear from Guinan directly, because it's unlikely that she'd use Q-powers against him on principle, but maybe she holds some weight or respect in the continuum or can somehow affect Q without affecting the universe, which is taboo to her.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Fri, 18 May 2018 09:45:10 EST 5uU+DoWU No.64607 Reply
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My Headcanon on the Borg origin is that Unimatrix Zero is actually the "natural" state of the Borg.
This way the Borg started as an ancient space-fairing civilization in times when all the the technology that enable convenient space travel did not exist. To cope with the hostile environment in space cybernetic argumentation and live in a virtual reality was seen as preferable to the grit reality of dealing with lifelong voyages that can kill your physical body.
The collective was probably growing on a voluntary basis, because hey a shared vr experience that you can shape with your collective will is a pretty big treat.

This brings me to the borg queen which probably is the manifestation of some inter-dimensional entity. It might have enslaved the collective prior to the change to a war-like society.
This may explain the reason why the queen treats unimatrix zero as an existential threat, willing to kill several magnitudes more drones that the ones affected by it. It may also explain why the participants of unimatrix zero are willing to give it up so easily: If it is actually is the natural state of Borg it is only a matter of time before it re-emerges and can be populated at a whim of the collective once the queen is dealt with in all those different dimensions.
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Katogh - Fri, 18 May 2018 12:23:31 EST HeFO2p/X No.64612 Reply
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I read through the thread looking for this headcanon, surprised no one mentioned it but if they did and I missed it sorry.
Whenever the crew time travels, they never actually go back to their original timeline but go to a new timeline created by whatever they fucked up in the past, but of course they can't notice it because their histories have been changed too. Even the Department of Temporal Investigations has this problem -- the reason they let Sisko off the hook for being Gabriel Bell, for example, is because the DTI they returned to remembers Sisko as actually being Bell.

This solves a lot of problems. Like, for example, why did when VOY came to the '90s it was full of goofy early computer era stuff like we remember, while to Kirk and Spock the '90s was the era of the Eugenics Wars? Simple, the second Voyager was thrown back by captain Braxton, it created that new timeline and carried our perspective point away from the old universe. You can use this device to explain away almost every inconsistency between the series.

Oh, and another time related one: the reason the 2260s look like the 1960s while the 2150s look like the early 2000s is because, just like for us, the same patterns of fashion continue going in and out of style perpetually, just like how earlier this decade '70s fashion was incredibly popular. It just so happens that 150 years from now we work our way back to what was considered 'in style' 20 years ago, and by 100 years later it has run the gamut back to bell-bottoms and flower power.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Fri, 18 May 2018 15:36:56 EST 5uU+DoWU No.64613 Reply
>>64612
>Whenever the crew time travels, they never actually go back to their original timeline but go to a new timeline created by whatever they fucked up in the past, but of course they can't notice it because their histories have been changed too.

Yes this is how the "basic" form of timetravel we see most of the time. It's just "moving backwards" and "moving forward" in time which for backward time which inevitably puts them in a new timeline everytime they do it. Truely "going back" to the original timeline is impossible in that regard.

Only the forms of advanced "time travel" ala Annorax's Temporal Weapon Ship can come close, but then it's not truly traveling to specific timelines either. (Which is sort of the plot) it can only move along timelines that are directly connected to the one it currently is in.
Nobody is supposed to have the ability to travel to any specific timeline at will, except in cases where there is still a causal connection to the original timeline (time portals an the like)
There is some ambiguity regarding the abilities of temporal investigations because they supposed to be able to at least untangle converging timelines without branching off (re-integrating braxton and seven as I recall)
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Fri, 18 May 2018 19:05:26 EST rGJBY6UQ No.64616 Reply
>>64482
>my headcanon is that TOS, TNG, their films, and DS9 are it. They have a good overarching plot if you look at it from a Federation/Klingon-relations angle, the early showdowns building to ST VI and then a Klingon serving on the Enterprise building to an alliance that eventually includes the Romulans and saves the galaxy.

I like this a lot.
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Guinan - Sat, 19 May 2018 04:50:37 EST b048m/L8 No.64619 Reply
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Almost forgot this wasn't included

The ancient aliens in TNG's 'The Chase' whose advanced genetic knowledge allowed them to seed life across the galaxy eventually used that genetic technology on themselves and became the Changelings, the Founders. They are the Founders of the Dominion but also the Founders of carbon based humanoid life as well
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Julius Eaton - Sat, 19 May 2018 12:52:26 EST 3E7HtzcQ No.64627 Reply
It doesn't end up jiving with what we find out in later seasons, but a little headcanon magic to make season 1 of TNG more fun is to imagine that Data knows more than he lets on and is fucking with people a lot of the time.
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Sarina Douglas - Sun, 20 May 2018 05:50:54 EST WedrHoVC No.64641 Reply
>>64640
Yeah but the federation also forced them to surrender or face outright annihilation and then from that position negotiated rather generous terms of surrender to show that they genuinely didn't want to destroy the changelings. These guys made friends, then their made friends attempted to make friends with them.

You can also bet that if the dominion is ancient it grows a lot more slowly than the alpha quadrant races, especially the feds who will eventually include Klingons and inevitably Romulans.
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Toral - Sun, 20 May 2018 17:10:44 EST l5TvN503 No.64644 Reply
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>>64643
I bet he sat on a chair after Kira and got a good taste of that Bajoran Smell and that's why he fell in love with her.
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Borg Queen - Sun, 20 May 2018 21:06:39 EST 2sWhicgT No.64648 Reply
>>64645
That one was pieced together earlier as well. It's good but I tend to lean that Q's interest in humans is relatively unique among Q. They just have so much to choose from. The only other two Qs we find out about to take an interest in humans or Earth ended up going native and being hit with a tornado for it. He likes to pick on what he considers to be lesser lifeforms to the point of being de-powered for it, and humans give him a challenge.
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Guinan - Mon, 21 May 2018 02:06:14 EST b048m/L8 No.64650 Reply
Oh I forgot the headcanon known as Why Does Riker Win at Poker against a telepath, a guy who can see through the cards, a card counting android, and a Klingon who can smell the fear of a bluff?

It's of course because he never gave up his Q powers but only uses it to cheat at pointless card games and possibly to help him get laid
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Youngblood - Mon, 21 May 2018 13:19:59 EST WedrHoVC No.64652 Reply
>>64650
Lol though it's probably because none of them use those particular super powers. Data always knows the odds but not what people hold (though he easily could). They let Riker win because its more fun facing a challenge.

In the end troi couldn't read data, but she could read laforge who'd know his cards. So she'd be forced to play to beat Data before she could focus on laforge. Data meanwhile would be trying to take Laforge out as quickly as possible so Troi can't read him. Laforge would want to take Troi down because she can beat him but against Data it's down to the cards.

Worf and Riker don't have shit on that. But if the game is a mexican standoff it's going to get old quickly.
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Guinan - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 03:38:03 EST b048m/L8 No.64771 Reply
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>>64477
Oooh looks like I forgot a really good one.

THE TRUTH ABOUT STAR TREK V

Here's the deal. Chronologically, it happens moments after Kirk is ripped into space and into the Nexus in Generations. Think about it, we see many many things Kirk no doubt fantasized about, we can infer as much from his on screen actions and his implied duties and traits
>sexy cat women
>extremely dangerous mountain climbing with no safety precautions
>wearing T-shirts on the bridge
>seeing Uhura do a naked fan dance
>getting Spock to sing random ass songs for later remembrance and making fun of
>riding horses for some reason (this one is especially important since it also appears in Generations)
>making peace with all the dick races of the galaxy: Romulans, Klingons.. uh I guess that's it cause the third guy was the federation guy.. for some reason I thought there was another one. It should have been one of those golden midget people that was getting wasted during the diplomatic function in Journey to Babel. That would have been tight.
>yet still finding a reason to do battle with a Klingon bird of prey
>Flying to the center of the galaxy because why not?
>bullying god himself

So there we go, I rest my case. If you don't believe me just interject Star Trek V into Generations like I said earlier and watch 5 hours of AWESOME from 2 generally mediocre movies

and then remember that anyone who has been inside the Nexus can never die because a piece of them will always exist in the Nexus so their conciouness can jump into it infinitely and Soran never actually died he just got back to where he wanted to be and never left. Kirk too could be pulled out of the Nexus once again, because although he died once, his self inside the Nexus is within a realm where time and space have no bearing.

Kirk is still in there and ripe for an OG thug cameo. Just he's been eating a lot in the Nexus is all.
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Guinan - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 03:40:55 EST b048m/L8 No.64772 Reply
>>64771
PS Someone on this board came up with this headcanon but I can't remember now who it was. Whoever it was I fucking love you, because this one fits really well since V is very different in time and has a vibe of weirdness, almost dreaminess to it. Add to that the lack of an actual villain... and it just makes too much sense
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Commander Suran - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 06:47:48 EST rSqgvTkB No.64773 Reply
>>64772
I miss when trek movies were all different.

They've all been exactly the same from TNG through JJTrek. They got so samey that Justin Lin's Fast and Furious Trek was somehow a minor breath of fresh air lol.
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Kozak - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 18:05:08 EST +IopAQD/ No.64853 Reply
>>64771
Watched it a bit ago. I'd be fine applying this theory to it, but I was already fine with it. Keeping it in mind does smooth over the rough spots, how can it not, so detractors should try to rewatch it in this context.
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Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Mon, 11 Jun 2018 13:23:05 EST jmSOtBOw No.64903 Reply
The Vidiians are a Federation of species that all suffer from the Phage. This is why they have massive territory despite having a shitty disease, and why we hear about new outbreaks despite the Vidiians being defined by having the Phage.
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Guinan - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 01:20:23 EST D65nZOLV No.64918 Reply
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Tom Paris is actually Nick Locarno from the TNG episode 'First Duty', wesley's fellow cadet who accidentally causes the death of a fellow cadet in a shuttle maneuver and then pressures everyone to lie about it this one is less a headcanon, and more reality since they would have connected the two if not for the fact that they would then have to give the writer of that episode a royalty for every episode Tom Paris was in or something, cheap fucks didn't want to figure something out so they made him a very similar character with basically the same background
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Guinan - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 01:28:39 EST D65nZOLV No.64919 Reply
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Oooh here's a good one I've included in previous incarnations of the headcanon thread, another organic creation of this board, but unfortunately I don't know to whom the credit belongs for this one..

So basically, when we see Shran, he invariably refers to humans in general as 'pinkskins', yet we know he's met Mayweather, he's been on the bridge with him several times. So this might indicate, perhaps, by some innocent naivette of his own Andorian perspective, that Shran doesn't realize brown humans and pink humans are actually the same species. After all, Andorians are all blue, and their close psionic cousins, the Aenar, are only a slightly lighter shade than them in color. It's possible the entire basis of the Federation was built on Shran's mistaken belief that the Humans' Starfleet consisted of two disparate species that had already become so closely united, it was like they were kin.
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Kai Opaka - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 01:43:07 EST l5TvN503 No.64920 Reply
>>64919
Yeah I remember when that one was first posited. It's kinda genius in how odd it is, but how plausible it is. It would make perfect sense. It would have been awesome if they included something about that in the show but I don't think they even wanted to broach the topic of race. If I remember correctly, I don't remember race being brought up much at all, which is strange compared to how often it was broached in other shows like DS9.
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B'Etor - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 06:20:14 EST bbZcChIZ No.64921 Reply
>>64920
I think that in DS9 race was examined from the perspective of a humanity that had moved past it. It is never applied to hew mons in the present. That's the subtle distinction. Having someone distinguish between humans based on skin colour in humans openly would be like they're completely voiding the last few bits of Roddenberry's vision that they kept. Not that those issues aren't examined but that humanity has to be beyond them.
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Dr. Crell Moset - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 13:52:10 EST HeFO2p/X No.64922 Reply
>>64918
>>Locarno is Paris
Relatedly, Kira is Ensign Ro.
Also, although this one has less of a strong case for it, Letek (the Ferengi Shimerman played in 'The Last Outpost') is actually Quark, and Sovak and Par Lenor (the other two Ferengi Grodenchik plays) are actually Rom.

Basically I want all actors that appear multiple times as the same species to be the same person. For reasons.
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Guinan - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 14:28:06 EST D65nZOLV No.64923 Reply
>>64922
I always just headcanon'd that the Ferengi mentioned were all cousins, but the only one we hear about is the one who owns his own moon
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Leskit - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 16:04:11 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64924 Reply
>>64922
I'm pretty sure Dukat and TNG Dukat are cousins or something
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Keiko O'Brien - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 23:01:26 EST 7laFE9AV No.64925 Reply
>>64924
Dukat, and Mucet are cousins in the books.

Macet hated Dukat, to the point thats why he had that awful facial hair. So he looks less like him.
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Nyota Uhura - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 23:27:00 EST l5TvN503 No.64926 Reply
>>64921
Yeah that's what i meant though. They never even brought up race through symbolism or time jumps or allegories oranything like that.

After second thoughts, it's certainly because after 9/11 everybody forgot race was an issue.
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Lt. JG Nog - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 08:16:38 EST jmSOtBOw No.64928 Reply
>>64919
>>64920
Well, I've got another weird racial theory for you:

Romulans look different from Vulcans not because of divergent evolution in the last 2000 years, but because they were already a separate ethnic group on Vulcan. The Vulcans are probably kind of ashamed about the fact that their history had an ethnic conflict that they kind of glorify, so they never mention it.

Surak probably worked like any other prophet spreading a new religion. It spread from where she started preaching, and somewhere along the line they probably became a little more forceful in their conversions. So by the time they got to whatever region proto-Romulans hung out in, they were already prepared to repel these people and their silly, new philosophy. But eventually they lost, and they all left.

Kind of makes me wonder if there are still small communities of holdouts, like Romulan Amish. No-one ever talks about them, they sit in their own villages, sometimes visiting the market, and holding their weird sex parties out of sight. It would also explain where Sybok got his emotional reasoning from. It was right there on Vulcan all along.
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Youngblood - Fri, 15 Jun 2018 15:37:27 EST VS0NeFQ8 No.64929 Reply
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>>64928
I like it dude.

It makes way more sense than: "evolution did it lol"
Also it gives more reason to the resistance to either philosophy.
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Burt Ryan - Sat, 16 Jun 2018 05:59:52 EST 5uU+DoWU No.64932 Reply
>>64931
>ALso, where ARE the Vulcans? My head cannon says that the planet is mostly desert and sparsely populated. You'd think there would be more actual Vulcans. In giant mega-cities.
Well, considering Vulcan has larger gravity it might be somewhat larger than earth too, considerable if you take the possibility of lower density into account (more silicates less iron in the core, weak magnetic field)
Large cities definitely exist although rarely depicted.

Other then that humanoid habitation itself doesn't take up that much space. It's all the conveniences we humans depend upon that do take up all the land area. A huge part is agriculture, which you don't need if you use replicators, roads, again can be made obsolete and most importantly commerce.
As modern consumerism probably is the last thing Vulcans could get into. So no need for malls, offices, ports, warehouses, etc...
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Quark - Sun, 17 Jun 2018 17:43:04 EST vfKzFqQZ No.64938 Reply
>>64931
>They are all into "logic," but pretty much act like mystics when it comes down to things

Just like George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
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Dr. Crell Moset - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:18:29 EST j6mxe6uk No.65002 Reply
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Section 31 is the reason race realism's scientific fact is so openly denied in Star Trek, and there's a 500 year ban on genetic engineering for 'not always working' despite living proof of the opposite with people like Bashir. And in turn, it explains why every other spacefaring race has nearly zero genetic variation.

The original eugenics ban of the 1990s was logical because the technology had led to catastrophe, but also because the practice was incomplete. Wars in the wake of that, especially World War 3, devastate the planet, and leave society on the brink, with all sorts of social and cultural divides soon to split open. And yet, come first contact, all that disappears. The reason is the cleanup was aided by corporate and elite hegemons who had long since the 90s been tinkering with eugenics tech and perfected some minor augments. Concepts such as lower aggression, ingroup advantage reduction, etc. The basic plan was the beige unirace most consumer society leaders want, but also with higher IQ, reduction of impulsivity, and such to not act on nuclear oblivion so readily. Meanwhile, in comes the Vulcans, and the NGO's secret society gets an idea over the years; why stop with humans?

So every race they encounter, they analyze and tinker with the genetics to mollify them, open them to unification and new concepts, strip the elements that make them less Federation. They never could unify with the Klingons despite centuries of encounters because the genetic work already done would have countered them, or worse, been noticed. And they couldn't do the same with the Romulans because genetic engineering was likely how they don't have psychic freakouts despite being separated by Vulcans only 2000 years. How the Andorians went from paranoid brutal soldiers to nosy snippy politicians in a few decades. How the Ferengi that had the most interaction with human food suddenly starts talking about communism. And speaking of human food, how do you think it got to them? Replicators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk
>Quark: What do you think?
>Garak: It's vile.
>Quark: I know. It's so bubbly and cloying and happy.
>{ Garak smiles slowly as Quark speaks }
>Garak: Just like the Federation.
>Quark: But you know what's really frightening?
>If you drink enough of it, you begin to like it.
>Garak: It's insidious.
>Quark: Just like the Federation.
"But that came from a Ferengi replicator." And who gave them the pattern for root beer?
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Dr. Crell Moset - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:33:32 EST j6mxe6uk No.65003 Reply
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>>65002
And then, why don't you see diversity in any other race? Sure, there's exceptions like Tuvok but again, how many black vulcans do you see? Slight variance, sure, but we'll call any variance a new species for any other race, and only subracial categories for our differences. There are slight variations with German and Nordic people like other races, but nothing as open and ingroup denied as race in Star Trek... except with only a few people. Like Remans and Romulans.

The reality of other races that have achieved space travel, is that many solved their racial questions the same way we solved our Neanderthal question; we drove them to extinction. Unless as a slave caste, or unified by external factors like the Xindi, spacefaring travel usually involves ethnic genocide to the reduction of ingroup unity. Most if not all other spacefaring people just kill off the others. Same reason the Andorians' Aenar had to hide from warp-capable people until have a century before Enterprise, and were still so secretive. War and genocide is the only logical reason way. And Quark's rant at Sisko in Season 2 be damned, he might not call whatever his people did murder, but they don't call gender disparity in such extreme measure wrong either. Hell, they have 'distant cousins' in Dopterians, and they're reduced to petty thievery in a post-scarcity world. How the hell does that happen to a 'cousin' of someone crafty as the Ferengi without serious disparity?

Racial unity is not some beige reduction or 'oh you can't tell because race doesn't matter' jargon, race is noticeable, defined and obvious from first glance, but variation of that sort appears in few races as openly as humans. And the reason why, is our genetic preferences are universal, and would require hardwiring us apart to fix save a few elites larping as one people.
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Joret Dal - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 17:31:04 EST MI2BlsDS No.65009 Reply
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>>65002
>>65003

>Hey, this guy sounds like some kind of Space Nazi...

>>65004

>The board gave him the name of Dr. Space Mengele
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Douglas Pabst - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 19:04:04 EST 0AzIZ9J3 No.65019 Reply
>>65004
We had a "what if Star ships have a /b/" thread, yours is tinfoil. Though most mental illness has been cured so it's actually reasonably well thought out and the plot holes are no bigger that what happens during the show.

It would explain the frequent interspecies attraction. Genetic tampering.
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Dr. Mora Pol - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 09:30:01 EST QLb0aPr0 No.65024 Reply
>>65019
You say its tinfoil but the shows themselves do a pretty good job of wrapping up any loose threads with a "Captain breaks Federation rules for greater good" that genuinely makes the Klingons looks like the good guys in Discovery. Without Discovery being the odd one out portraying the Federation as being a bunch of super shady villains with a good PR department.
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Ensign Vorik - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 11:53:26 EST +HQF6OBb No.65025 Reply
>>65024
Most of our headcanons give discovery the most tenuous status. We're not even sure its the same universe.
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Guinan - Fri, 03 May 2019 03:39:56 EST D65nZOLV No.67375 Reply
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I have a theory that Voyager was supposed to be a Wesley Crusher spinoff but they changed it to Harry Kim instead as they realized everyone hates Wesley.

There's a lot of clues that lead me to believe this was the original plan, from the inclusion of Nick Locarno Tom Paris, to the mention of Harry's mom being a doctor. Then there's his lack of promotion in spite of saving the ship multiple times. Look at the way Janeway treats him, like a child.. and yet despite all this, they often assign him to command the ship, although literally everyone else on the bridge is a higher rank. Watch some Voyager with this in mind and you'll likely reach the same conclusion.

We know they originally planned Ensign Ro to fulfill the role Kira filled in DS9, it seems to reason that they had similar plans for Voyager.
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Tal Celes - Fri, 03 May 2019 04:31:59 EST MUJ4M6tq No.67377 Reply
>>67375
The guy who plays Harry Kim can actually act though.

I recently watched S3E3 of VOY and imagining Wesley acting the way Kim did in that episode is just impossible.
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Guinan - Fri, 03 May 2019 17:19:36 EST e1OJC7YG No.67385 Reply
>>67377
I definitely agree, Garrett Wang is a good actor, but consider what I'm saying.

Look at all the episodes pertaining to the building blocks of Voyager: the Maquis, first introduced in Wesley's last TNG episode. The concept of Voyager itself, a ship flung into the unknown, shown first in a Wesley centric episode, Where No One Has Gone Before, and of course Nick Locarno/Tom Paris first shown in the TNG episode First Duty. Seems to be more than just coincidence.
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Noah Lessing - Fri, 03 May 2019 19:05:46 EST bOlOhkyn No.67387 Reply
>>67377
from what I've heard Kim's actor had issues with showing up to work on time
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Hadley - Sat, 11 May 2019 16:09:56 EST gOUFeB9G No.67478 Reply
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>>67375
was going through VOY again and picked up a line to support this theory. S2E23 The Thaw, the computer clown thing mentioned a victory for the federation at Galonden Kor, however that's spelled. Wasn't that the planet LaForge got stuck on and had to find a neutrino beacon wesley set up? How would computer clown man know about that if he can only read the minds of ppl inside his program? He already said he can't read the holo doctor. Harry is Wesley confirmed. Unless the secret trip into the neutral zone is common knowledge among fresh ensigns.
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Slimjob_Dopamine - Sat, 11 May 2019 21:34:25 EST b0lXiZRB No.67481 Reply
>>64533
Tune in to trek tube to find out, we got the ultra rare ENT alternate ending that explains it all
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Kiri-kin-tha - Sun, 12 May 2019 06:10:09 EST 60zgf9Xq No.67485 Reply
>>64599
> without affecting the universe, which is taboo to her.
she does tell Picard that something gone wrong when the timeline shifted and Yar was alive again though
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Guinan - Wed, 15 May 2019 12:32:20 EST b048m/L8 No.67530 Reply
>>67485
Yeah but that nothing to do the universe I just don't like Yar
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Seskal - Wed, 04 Sep 2019 14:50:49 EST qpHz7sNf No.68509 Reply
Star Trek is basically globohomo gayplex Jew orgs deciding they want to actually make a halfway decent world instead of this clearly duplicitous shit they’re pulling now. Section 31 is just neo-zionists deciding to go full in on the false paradigms they created, and embrace the bug.
Section 31 puts pacifying and human-endearing chemicals in the food of the replicators, anyone who eats enough Starfleet food will eventually get mollified into their arms. Genetic engineering had its kinks worked out centureies ago and they just control its use for political gain. Bashir’s immediate scoop up by Section 31 was to attempt to bring him into the fold or eliminate him.
The Borg’s purpose was initially an eggist cult view of life, that all existence is a reincarnation of itself beyond time, and so assimilating as much as possible through all existence breaks the fetus cycle to godhood and redefined life into a collective mind of all things ever. The quasi-worship of life’s building blocks like omega particles is partly towards that pursuit.
The Dominion is the evolution of the origin species from The Chase.
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Dexter Remmick - Wed, 04 Sep 2019 23:51:01 EST PHcxMsYr No.68514 Reply
>>68509
they call him dr worm. good morning how you are you he's dr.worm and you are fukken banned he's not a real doctor, but he's an actual worm
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Prinadora - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:36:52 EST yGPwv2Sr No.68517 Reply
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>>68509
Based
Starfleet's monopoly on human space travel and its expectation that all adhere to its military hierarchy (but hurrdurr we're DiPlOmATS I sWaaRE) is pure dystopia
FXCK EARTH, EMBRACE BETAZED
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Prinadora - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:46:05 EST yGPwv2Sr No.68518 Reply
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>>68517
>>68509
Also the borg queen approves ofc
She needs to work out her methodology and philosophy a bit, as someone who's in pursuit of perfection
A true hivemind can't have a single overriding will or imperative that operates without the input of the input of its constituents, or that suppresses that input, otherwise the entire venture is wasted. The borg fucked up in that regard. But they got some things right.

Changelings are the OG race, true hinduism, but they have to let go of their disdain for the solids and recall that the solids actually ARE them, just a different form of them. They committed the mistake of assuming that they have more primacy than others who are simply existential explorers identical to but in different form than themselves.
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Belongo - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 20:35:28 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68519 Reply
>>68518
borg queen is an amalgam of collective wishes and you might be tarded
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Subcommander Velal - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 20:54:56 EST yGPwv2Sr No.68520 Reply
>>68519
Not really. The borg queen herself is only a representative of the "collective", but that collective itself is a single will imposed on all other members of the borg. How often do you see a drone's belief system influencing the will of the collective? Almost never. The borg are scientifically integrative but not philosophically. Borg drones ARE slaves to an overarching will
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Ulis - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 22:08:26 EST bOlOhkyn No.68521 Reply
borg queen is a dumb and bad crutch so the writers could give the borg a head vampire to kill and is basically exactly the spot the borg went to shit
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Captain Kurn - Sat, 07 Sep 2019 10:26:52 EST pyyl83GW No.68538 Reply
Maybe because they birth new borg from fetus gestation they still need their mothers on board, because in the bottom line of the pyramid of life, it's real.
I was thinking about a game like 3D chess into cube incorporated (Castles are Borg cubes and they have swapped with the king, Castling) but maybe it's more like a collective.
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Degra - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 06:36:14 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68545 Reply
>>68521
my headcannon is that that brent spiner wrote the borg queen in so he could get a east coast handy without fear of being arrested for solicitation of a prostitute
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Turanj - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:42:16 EST j7fRVoWD No.68560 Reply
worthless whiny bitch Dax was an agent of Section 31.
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Tiron - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:09:42 EST bOlOhkyn No.68564 Reply
>>68563
I'd guess Miami Vice. There was an ep with the guy from Poultregiest 2 and he was basically doing the same thing.
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The Doctor - Wed, 18 Sep 2019 10:16:58 EST mw1AnnTr No.68594 Reply
>>64495
Q is just a personification of the Entropy of the Star Trek universe...
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Leck - Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:36:37 EST Pe15hcZE No.68600 Reply
Riker is a Romulan spy,
Season 3, episode 7: Riker recognizes the Romulan markings first. Soon after, Worf finds an unconscious Romulan, who awakes upon hearing Worf call for Riker. He also comments in this episode: "What someday, the Federation made peace with the Romulans?"
Season 3, episode 8: the federation representative is poisoned by the Ferengi, so Riker is chosen to act as representative in his stead, to which he objects - is he trying to hide his true deceptive potential? It's possible he played poker to help hide this. He later beats a part-Betazoid empath at his own game when the empath tries to taunt him about Diana.
S3 episode 10: When the Romulan Admiral swears at Worf in Klingon, Riker responds with Romulan swear words - why does Riker know Romulan? It could be because of his father, an expert in regional areas... Could his father be a section 31 operative? Later, the Tal Shiar chairman becomes a federation operative - does this go further back, or do the Tal Shiar and section 31 secretly work together?
S3 episode 14: Riker is put on trial for the murder of a scientist doing important research for the federation. The scientist was researching krieger waves, which can burn through the enterprise’s hull – they are immensely powerful, and so very useful as a weapon. This is brought up as a way he could make more money, by selling it to Romulans or Ferengi. I hypothesize that he chose to side with the Ferengi instead, so Riker was ordered to kill him. This just so happens to coincide with the accidental death of the scientist attempting to kill Riker in the episode, or the scientist attempted to kill Riker because he knew he was a Romulan spy, or there is an alternate explanation for the events in the episode and Riker did in fact destroy the station.
I'm still collecting evidence for this theory, but what I've found so far seems very suspicious to me.
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Jal Culluh - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:32:33 EST pglz0HKG No.68607 Reply
Romulans don’t get involved with time travel because culturally they find it sinful to interfere.
They take the themes of predetermined fate the Romans did and do the same, where events of misfortune are inevitable, and only favor can be curried by the Gods. They didn’t use the Voyager situation with the time dilation to their advantage, because it would be changing fate, a big social faux pas, beyond any Tal Shiar schemes.

Similarly, relations with Q are of reverence to them as akin to trickster Gods, given their relation to Vulcan/Romulan relations. The Q we know doesn’t really talk to Romulans since they’re too eager to find profoundities with their quips.
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Silik - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 19:30:16 EST mw1AnnTr No.68612 Reply
>>68607
Something something Abram's Trek all about a Romulan doing Time Traveling
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Prosecutor Orak - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:18:28 EST WLJtCX4q No.68613 Reply
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>>68607
I thought it was hinted that the Romulans were the ones from the future telling the Suliban what to do in ENT. Or is that all in my head?
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Naomi Wildman - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 00:12:23 EST fFz/1NAl No.68614 Reply
>>68613
What if it was prime universe Spock trying to undo the abhorrent Abrams verse even if it means he gets stuck in a time phone booth.
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Karyn Archer - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 01:11:12 EST sUGNK/qx No.68615 Reply
>>68612
Only after losing Romulus. Nero's snapped believing in fate and destiny, and so broke his cardinal sin on a mission to break fate for the rest.
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Grand Nagus Zek - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:45:12 EST bOlOhkyn No.68616 Reply
>>68613
I recall hearing that the long-term plan was that by season7 we'd find out it was Captain Archer or something
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Ambassador Shras - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:41:36 EST sUGNK/qx No.68709 Reply
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The humans of Star Trek are not humans, but an alternate reality species of human that is blessed with insane luck, collectively..

You see, the Star Trek lore points to many morals, but the universal theme of Star Trek's adventures, is impossible luck. Catching every conspiracy, saving every day, etc. That's not how the real world works. And yet, after wars and wars and wars, humanity was able to find the exact time to go to space to find Vulcans. They were able to endure just enough to carry on and forge the great intergalactic force of the Alpha Quadrant. This impossible fortune-favored bold race wins.

And it's not even how silly it is, it explains stupid shit like 'no money now'. As a species of insane luck, they in tune would by the social networking of their species, always find the things they need no matter where they are. And that sort of parallel would appear in In The Cards. Somehow on a space station million of miles from a habitable world, trillions in one direction reflectively, had all the things they needed to turn the whole happiness of itself? Too many variables, too many coincedences. It's not logical. Life isn't so neat. Unless luck is the natural state of humans in Star Trek. And disrupting that natural harmony with laws on what this or that is decreed to be worth, is not so much a stabilizer in bartering rapids, but a paddle splashing swirling calm. Money would be seen as a sort of 'bad faith' concept for such a species. Necessary evil, but logically more favorable to the end of money sooner than later.

Same with the reaction to the Great River by O'Brien in Nog's explanation. The river makes a parallel to how desires are met in earlier episodes, but as a Ferengi, Nog only reminds O'Brien of how scheming Ferengi can be, so he can't accept Nog will come up with the right plan, or he's plotting something worse. This trust with lucky humans is more justified, in that the whole framing in profit sullies human connection by chance and luck.

I'm a little bit high rn, that might not make as much sense as I think it does.
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Darlene Kursky - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 22:21:07 EST jwjJ078M No.68710 Reply
>>68616
That's been confirmed a few times. It's pretty obvious if you go watch ENT again knowing it in advance.
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Nevala - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 04:42:10 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68716 Reply
>>68616
eh, I don't really mind not finding out the rest of the details of rikers holonovel
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ST: Lensflare - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 18:34:51 EST NoRRDZyZ No.68788 Reply
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Everything since Star Trek (2009) by JJ Abrams is just fanfic with a movie studio's budget. It's not canon.

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