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- Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:45:24 EST 2tDXGqS3 No.64959
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Something is happening guys.. There's something happening to the timeline, I feel it...

Picard.. Picard.. is... RETURNING?????


This is.. weird.. is.. is it finally happening? Are we getting post nemesis trek? DID CBS FINALLY GIVE US WHAT WE WANT!?


Q - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:29:11 EST c6bxiBdv No.64960 Reply
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Well here's hoping anyway. I'm not holding my breath, but somebody wrap Patrick Stewart in bubble wrap just in case.
Kirayoshi O'Brien - Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:01:46 EST c6bxiBdv No.64961 Reply
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Oh, and nobody tell Guinan I was here.
Guinan - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 01:53:02 EST Qt84JEDI No.64963 Reply
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*despite the incursion of Q, ten forward is empty and silent*
Michael Eddington - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 18:06:36 EST LR7o98eu No.64966 Reply
>4 more Star trek series supposedly in the works

I'm worried
Jack - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 18:48:29 EST jmSOtBOw No.64968 Reply
Between JJTrek and Disco, I just can't get excited about new Trek projects anymore. Especially not when they're coming out of the same house. Trek was always more than the sum of its parts, but paradoxically that means it has gradually lost its magic as more of those parts were replaced.

I know it's a bit of a tired point to go on about The Orville, but the reason a lot of people see it as a successor to Trek is probably because it has a lot of people with Trek experience, and obviously Trek passion, working on it. Meanwhile official Trek tells us to get enthused about single people returning for a bit, or even about the possibility of Tarantino doing a movie. Christ, I don't even like Tarantino's recent work in the genre and style he's often cited as being a master of.

I've got Trek hopefulness fatigue. The old shows are still there. I watch them sometimes. And I'll be very damn impressed if anything ever comes close to them. But I'll see it when it happens.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:27:18 EST dfep+Fqt No.64973 Reply
CBS gonna milk Star Trek drier than Disney has with Star Wars.
Private W Woods - Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:48:35 EST yBczazba No.64974 Reply
Yeah. Get Kurtzman and Orci the fuck away from this shit. Just make what Bryan Fuller tells you to make even if it's going to be bad.

It's not gonna be as bad as mishmash trash.

Maybe Discovery will surprise deliver on the season anthology rumor. I'd gain so much respect back for it. All of that Enterprise fan service cliffhanger bait couldn't possibly pay off better than teasing Spock and Pike before fucking off to an unrelated post-TNG storyline.
Leeta - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:01:25 EST SfiMcBo4 No.64977 Reply
lol, the mouse is about to take that cow around back and put her down
they've shitcanned the spinoffs and don't hold your breath about anything after XI and the theme parks
anything Star Wars that doesn't already have tangible assets dumped into it is dead
Kira Taban - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:21:36 EST QhRv4U/y No.64980 Reply
I'd still rather see Picard in the Tarantino film. His stated admiration of City on the Edge of Forever and penchant for nonlinear storytelling could make for a good time travel story that makes sense of various timelines.

I won't complain if they make more Trek shows, though. It just increases the odds that one hits the mark and captures the true spirit of Star Trek.
Kolo - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:51:46 EST HeFO2p/X No.64981 Reply
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Ugh no. Please lets keep our good bad new Trek separate from our bad bad new Trek. I can think of a lot of directors who could handle the complexity of an amazing Trek time travel story with Stewart as their lead, but QT doesn't come to mind.

How about say Guillermo del Toro or Darren Aronofsky? Both are popular cutting edge 'mind bending' directors who have made sci-fi films of their own volition. They could be great with it and have to be nerdy enough to at least have Trek on their radar. Or imagine a Gilliam or Jodorowsky Trek? Get our proper time-bendy TMP 2001: A Trek Odyssey that will really blow our minds, maaaan.

Hides in jefferies tube for the inevitable nerdsplosion of saying something mildly negative about Tarantino and/or having the gall to mention Gilliam and/or Jodorowsky
Latha Mabrin - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:55:10 EST KWZnYW5R No.64982 Reply

After the reports of Stewart wanting to work with QT I was cautiously optimistic about that, but of course it turned into a Kurtzman-run show with Picard instead.

I'll stick with reruns.
Natasha Yar - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:03:08 EST gCqAtQS2 No.64984 Reply
that'd be too simple, let's have 5 new shows, a Tarantino movie, and god knows what else instead. the timeline and values are already wounded might as well bludgeon them to death.
Natasha Yar - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 19:20:14 EST gCqAtQS2 No.64987 Reply
yeah just as soon as paramount hires one of them and orders a script we'll throw a fucking parade. tarantino has the conn and he's a lot more likely to get the ship home than kurtzman.
Karr - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 22:31:27 EST DStF7Vev No.64990 Reply

>According to Variety, Kurtzman (who was recently tapped to showrun Star Trek: Discovery after the current showrunners departed following claims of abusive behavior towards their writing staff) has been signed into a five-year contract with the goal of developing new Trek content for television. These shows may be mini-series, animated, you name it. Here are the projects reportedly being tossed around at this moment:

>A series set at Starfleet Academy from the creators of Marvel’s Runaways, currently airing on Hulu.

>A limited series with plot details yet to be released. This is rumored to be a Star Trek: The Next Generation reunion, as Variety reports that Kurtzman is also trying to woo back Patrick Stewart to reprise his role as Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

>An animated series, also with plot details yet to be released.

>Another limited series based around Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It is unclear if that means the character of Khan himself, or something related to what happened in the TOS film.


>Kurtzmam may also oversee a five-year project that will yield multiple new Star Trek projects. Those projects are rumored to include a new live-action TV series, two limited series, and a potential animated series.
Guinan - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 02:36:16 EST D65nZOLV No.64991 Reply
This sounds so exciting if you just block out any memories involving the name Kurtzman.. I am cautiously optimistic, but it's like 10% waning optimism and 91% caution with a 3% margin of error
Ensign Robin Lefler - Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:32:54 EST HeFO2p/X No.64993 Reply
I mean, not everything he has done has been bad. Remember, there was a time when even old school Trekkies saw ST 2009 in a semi-favorable light, as a return to the 'Wrath of Khan' era of Trek movie style. It was really Into Darkness that killed the jjshit franchise, and a lot of that had to do with JJ's bullshit misdirection about who the villain was (and the fact that the story was really dumb.) But, Kurtzman has been attached to moderately decent projects as a writer/producer. Remember 'The Island' with Ewan McGregor? How about 'Cowboys & Aliens'? Sure, neither were great, but they weren't *awful.*

If you put Patrick Stewart in front of the screen as Picard along with the rest of the cast, there's pretty much no way to mess it up. Those actors have such a deep connection and understanding of their characters and material that they would prevent it going off the deep end. That's precisely Discovery's problem -- not that there weren't people who could tell them no, but that they threw all those people out. The cast itself would be a moderating force in the revival, much as they were a check on Berman's madness in the later TNG years.
William T Riker - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 01:35:54 EST 3a3TqNtF No.65000 Reply
>Damnation by Faint Praise: The Post

TNG had more than its share of bad episodes that the cast alone did not and could not save. I'm not so desperate for the characters that I want to see what a shitty writer does with them. I've seen it with the original characters. Kurtzman is not the man for this material. His work is shallow, can lack narrative cohesion, and, in Trek's case, disregards canon with alarming ease.

Fans dimwittedly thinking that getting Stewart and other actors on board is enough is why CBS and Kurtzman are doing this. Discovery cost them a bunch of Trekkies and to lure them back they're dangling Picard and Wrath of Khan out there. I'll wait for details before I approach any of this with anything but skepticism.

Handing this man The Next Generation is akin to giving Ghostbusters to Paul Feig or Star Wars to Rian Johnson. Millions people enjoyed those and will enjoy what comes of these Trek projects, but they're not for me. As with those other franchises, the originals will suffice if I'm nostalgic, and I can watch new, but unrelated shows and movies that better embody the spirit/humor/adventure of the classics.
Stonn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 04:11:25 EST L+duPeNw No.65042 Reply
Just saw the story and came here to basically see my exact opinion expressed better than I ever could.
Stonn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 04:11:25 EST L+duPeNw No.65043 Reply
Just saw the story and came here to basically see my exact opinion expressed better than I ever could.
Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 17:31:56 EST Qf2Tl6P1 No.65044 Reply
I don't get why they wouldn't give others a chance. I'm sure there are financial or contractual reasons, but ignorant of what they are I'm at a loss as to why they'd give the whole kit and kaboodle to Alex Kurtzman. Even if I was to give the guy every benefit of the doubt, I can't see anything in his filmography that indicates that he's so good or so profitable to make putting the chips all in on him a good idea.

And as >>65000 alluded to, the name dropping of Patrick Stewart and Wrath of Khan is very transparent. A bunch of us rejected their new thing so they're giving us what they think we want. It shows how trapped Star Trek is now, too. Prequels and constantly revisiting characters, eras, messages, and themes- sounds a lot like another sci-fi franchise that's suffering fan backlash if you ask me.

Star Trek was a show of the future. We loved the characters of course, but part of the joy of it and nostalgia about the TOS and TNG eras was that it was pushing forward. Flip phones and iPads. Colorblind race relations. A post-scarcity society. Classic Trek gave us something to aspire to. The characters were a gateway into the setting. I had my adventures with Khan and Picard, and welcomed Sisko and Janeway. Let's move on. Advance the ideals and tech with new characters in the farther flung future. I don't want a space opera that follows these characters cradle to grave. I want hope.
Governor Torak - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:04:15 EST l5TvN503 No.65046 Reply
They may have burned their bridge with Berman on Discovery.
Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:36:53 EST Qf2Tl6P1 No.65047 Reply
I don't necessarily wish that he'd come back, although an influential hand from that staff being in charge of at least one of these productions would be reassuring to my nerdier self. There's no need for any retread though. Star Trek and its spin-offs influenced multiple generations of creators. Is there no one out there aside from Seth McFarlane who gets it and is qualified to run a show?

Popular opinion of Kurtzman's takes on Trek has turned. Even I was deluded into liking Star Trek '09. And while it is the best Star Wars movie this century has seen, it's not right. None of this feels right for Star Trek, and while I'm no Guinan, I can definitely feel that things went off the rails somewhere and need to be fixed before the mistake is compounded.

When I say, "I want hope," I mean hope like Whoopi Goldberg got when she saw Nichelle Nichols and got the inspiration to go on to win an Oscar, Emmy, Grammy, and Tony. I want action and laughs and special effects, of course. That's a given. What set Trek apart was the intelligence and optimism. Mike in one of the Redlettermedia reviews of Discovery said it best about TNG's universe. To paraphrase: "I want to live there. I don't want to live in Discovery's universe." Alex Kurtzman's Trek doesn't make me think or leave me feeling anything aside from maybe visceral thrills. I can get that elsewhere. No amount of Picard or Khan will make up for the underlying and lasting appeal of Trek- showing us that we'll make it, and we'll do it right and just and with logic.
Guinan - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:56:09 EST GwChYndC No.65048 Reply
I fucking love you guys.. I really feel a lot of my fears and sentiments echoed in these posts, and I feel like as a whole, this board is pretty much on the same page about what's going on with trek
Gregory Quinn - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:31:15 EST Qf2Tl6P1 No.65050 Reply
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Felt the same way about the thread and it's what made me want to post. The state of Trek legit depresses me. Probably would've kept my thoughts to myself if folks here were for this decision.

For the longest time being a Trekkie has felt like being Marty McFly watching his pictures change. The real world is getting shittier and our vision of the future is changing to match. I'd even wager that the amount of people who are mad about Klingon designs or even continuity is smaller than the amount who just want to look up at the stars and think there's more out there than more war.
Guinan - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 16:44:40 EST D65nZOLV No.65051 Reply
The decline of sci-fi over the last few decades has really worried me. It's like, as a species, we stopped dreaming of the future in favor of vacuous and ephemeral appeasments to our egos in the form of social media. Every future that we dream up is now a horrific nightmare. And you have summed that up in way, specific to trek, that really hits home.
Ambassador Thoris - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:22:21 EST 2AD8DySp No.65052 Reply
any update on these rumors? any solid facts? is picard doing one last trek? i dont want to be alive when patrick stewart passes this realm
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:30:35 EST 4FXNCdKo No.65053 Reply
It's the slow sinking in of the reality that we'll have a very hard time escaping this worldly shit.

Like we all thought the internet was gonna revolutionize discourse and lead to a new enlightenment.
What did we actually get? More distractions, more problems, more cynical opportunism.
Kasidy Yates-Sisko - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 18:49:24 EST sHLLgdpt No.65054 Reply
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I think the only facts are that multiple Star Trek series/miniseries are being explored and Alex Kurtzman is in charge.

Gloom and doom about that aside, I'm also most interested in the potential of a Picard show. He's my captain, and Patrick Stewart is still a force of nature as an actor. Logan had me daydreaming about what could've been with Mirror Picard, and I'd hoped that he'd get his wish and be in the next movie. Don't really care about the other projects. Most probably won't happen, but I'm hopeful the producer will be hands off and let writers and directors with something interesting to say will steer the Picard show should it come to fruition.
Rear Admiral Gregory Quinn - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:53:54 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65057 Reply
yeah but it's way easier to watch old episodes of star trek
Azan - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:45:58 EST WX8nIPVS No.65060 Reply
It's kinda difficult to find good episodes of Voyager though. Which sucks because I fucking love Janeway, Tuvok and the doctor.
Lt. Daniels - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:56:03 EST NM+TsjIB No.65070 Reply
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Benny Russell - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:29:00 EST QM3dFhLK No.65075 Reply
Janeway would benefit from a miniseries. It could examine some of her more controversial decisions the same way the TOS movies got Kirk to reexamine some of the ones he made during his first stint on the Enterprise. I get that Picard will get more views, but the mythos would benefit more if they explored her impact on the galaxy.
Nava - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 20:49:21 EST NmJ0Aupw No.65076 Reply
Fans be outraged by swearing in Discovery, meanwhile that line was actually from a Janeway deleted scene.
Benny Russell - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 21:18:20 EST QM3dFhLK No.65077 Reply
Were people outraged? Honestly hadn't heard/read anything to that effect. And it would have to be a deleted scene if Janeway said it, Voyager being on UPN and all. Sounds funny, got a link to a video of it?
B'Elanna Torres - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 22:16:28 EST DStF7Vev No.65078 Reply
Yes, I guess you weren't here as it was airing.
Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:35:23 EST jmSOtBOw No.65080 Reply
It seems like a decline of creativity in general. It's kind of like with aircraft design, if you'll humor the tortured comparison. When aircraft were new, you saw shitloads of different configurations. But pretty quickly, people decided on a standard. The way an aircraft is supposed to look like. And today, it seems people have a very rigid idea of what something is supposed to look like in fiction. There's less room for trial and error, for up and coming garage codgers to try whatever new idea they have. There are people with big corporations who have the money and influence.

An example would be a comedy show that's little know outside my country. It's ostensibly about a lower class family that's moved into an upper class neighborhood through touchy-feely socialist policy, never mending their criminal, lower class ways. But some of its episodes would stray straight into science fiction or magical realism, with the characters switching bodies or the dumbest of the lot becoming a prophet-like faith healer. You see a similar variance in the old Trek: They decide to do an episode that's a straight up James Bond spoof, or a courtroom drama. One of the most well-received Trek movies was a straight up comedy.

I'm not seeing stuff like that anymore. Every modern series seems very set in its tracks. I watch something like The Americans, and you'd think there's some good material for a joke, there. Even a single one. But it never happens. I read The Sirens of Titan recently, and I'm wondering whether something like that would be accepted these days. Or someone like Philip K. Dick, for that matter. His work is universally dark and comedic. But has any recreation of his work with the exception of A Scanner Darkly ever done justice to that typical way of writing?

Plainly put, Star Trek couldn't be made today. Neither a wildly novel concept like TOS, turning science fiction on its head, nor (paradoxically) something like TNG, building forth on an older concept. It seems nothing can really stray too far from the "now", with all its dour implications. Criticism of fiction is full of whistle-words like "believable" and "realistic", none of which really mean anything in the context.

While I love the show itself, BSG is the archetypical example: A literal anti-Trek that consciously grounded itself in the "now" with its style, that was bleak and dark with deeply flawed characters, which never -ever- strayed from its base tone, and ultimately was completely focused on excitement and the promise of mysterious plot elements. And that's what people expect television to be like, now. Anything else is regarded the same way as Scaled Composites' unorthodox designs. Occasionally you get a rocket ship like Black Mirror that proves that the norm isn't always the best, but the drive for true experimentation seems gone.
Corporal R Ryan - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:39:37 EST jmSOtBOw No.65081 Reply
See, I think this is a rather silly opinion that seems rather typical, these days.

DSC wasn't the first Trek to drop a serious swear word. DS9 was. But in DS9, it was part of a serious narrative where it didn't feel out of place, so no-one ever questioned it. In DSC, it was there because it was expected to be there. So it could be properly "modern". So people can say that anyone who saw it for what it was is an old fuddy-duddy with oldfashioned morals.

But no-one ever seems to recall that Jake (or rather, his alter ego) straight up dropped "jolly african-americans". A word considered so offensive even this board filters it.
Sarpek the Fearless - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:56:57 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65084 Reply
>Neither a wildly novel concept like TOS, turning science fiction on its head
Kiaphet Amman'sor - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 16:40:09 EST /Gs0AEjp No.65086 Reply
The internet killed creativity. Humans use imagination to fill in the gaps of time and understanding. Now we just hook up to the intertubes when lonely or seeking answers. We've become the Borg.
Data - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:39:09 EST M4E2yUgx No.65087 Reply
I don't think this is entirely true though. You guys sound like old farts. The internet has enabled a lot of creativity. It's enabled a lot of rubbish too but I don't believe this for a minute. Musical movements and scenes occur and propagate in weeks rather than years. I think some things have suffered immensely but other areas have become massively richer for the internet. As you would expect.

Personally the internet has allowed me to find a broader range of influences so I bring more to the table when I jam with my friends. Its made flops into cult successes. It has lowered the barrier to entry. It enables anyone who actually wants to make an effort in whatever they wish to achieve or learn. 3D printers are still a new thing and some people have mastered them. Remember when people would use raspberry pis do simple shit? Over engineering them was fun, people made stuff and learned stuff and got a giggle. The internet did that.

Most people have always been passive consumers. People still watch shit "reality" TV and binge drink and so on. Now if you want to passively consume the internet enables that too.

Then again the first collective work of humanity outside military and academic circles over the internet was swap.avi. We're not the borg. We're the fucking Kazons.
Kiaphet Amman'sor - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 18:58:27 EST /Gs0AEjp No.65088 Reply
Everything positive you described aboutt the internet is just recycling old ideas. Have you used any of those musical influences to create an entirely new genre with solid, defining attributes? Or does it just enable you to noodle for longer without repeating yourself? Donnie Darko and Bladerunner are awesome, but the former spawned an absolute turd of a sequal while the latter was already a derivative work. I could 3d print a dildo to attach to my fuck-bot that's controlled by a Raspberry Pi. That would be neat. Not original, but neat.

All of this is ignoring the original discussion that prompted my comparison to the Borg: popular media is becoming increasingly dark and pessimistic. When given the ability to share knowledge instantaneouslty, what did the Borg do? Go on a galaxy-wide crusade to suck up every little bit of originality until nothing is left but homogenous sludge. What have humans done when given the internet? Gone on a planet-wide crusade to find every original idea, monetize the shit out of it, and package it into corporate sludge for the passive consumer. Both are destructive, self-defeating mechanisms enabled by advances in communication technology. We can see the writing on the wall, and it's turning our imaginations into nightmares.

Maybe life was meant to be alone sometimes.
Thomas Riker - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:24:06 EST M4E2yUgx No.65091 Reply
Nothing is original everything is an idea someone else had and you just rejigged it in a way that actually worked, even if it's never been seen before. Either the sludge was inevitable or you're wrong.

Everything we do is just rejigging existing configurations and it's the effect of the end result that matters. Maybe you took 3 pre existing genres but did you breach a new territory or push somewhere new? Some did. You said humans used imagination to fill in gaps of time and understanding, not they invented whole new ideas and that's moving the goalpost quite a lot. People have been telling the same stories, passing the same musical ideas and styles and adjusting the same inventions for as long as we've had culture.
Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:07:54 EST /Gs0AEjp No.65094 Reply
You seem fixated on the music analogy, so consider this: if everything is a remix, where did the first caveman to bang 2 rocks together rhythmically get their inspiration? What idea was rejigged when someone stretched strings across a tortise shell to create the first lyre? Who was Elisha Gray copying when he created the first electromechanical oscillator? The answer to all of these is they were accidents. Beautiful, wonderful accidents born out of time and pure imagination.

Incremental creativity has its place and the internet has done a lot to improve the speed at which things happen, but at what cost? You don't even believe in the concept of originality. I'd say that attitude is a pretty big loss for humanity.

To steer things back on topic, I wanna see grim-dark Picard smoking blunts on the bridge as he blasts some commie bastard Borg out of the sky. That would be cool.
G'Quan - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:08:49 EST DStF7Vev No.65096 Reply
With the news about Kuntzman and that several series are being considered including one with Picard I pretty much figured the Tarantino flick wouldn't have Picard or be post-Nemesis like we speculated when we first heard the news about Tarantino.
Thomas Riker - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 18:21:50 EST M4E2yUgx No.65097 Reply
Birds did music before us. Rhythmic displays predate humanity and even insects do them music isn't even an original idea, it actually predates culture. I imagine before someone made the lyre someone else dreamed it up but couldn't make it work, somone plucked strings or yelled into a box and someone just combined the two ideas, I can't know but it makes more sense that at least one of those happened and the creator thought "if I add this" then they just suddenly had this idea, focusing sound is a natural phenomenon too. I suspect all those ideas failed before too. Some were existing ideas and concepts retooled. How did these accidents happen? Most of them used an existing structure differently.

I don't believe originality is important. Actually I really do believe in originality but I think if you're pretty much just drawing an arbitrary line between original and not original. I think what's important is we break new ground and push ourselves. That doesn't always mean being original as a culture but sometimes just within our own lives. The internet does encourage stagnation in some for sure, it's a double edged sword but you declared it to be the death of creativity in absolute terms based on some very ropey arbitrary lines.

I do agree that the internet absolutely has come at a cost, the same way the borg is a dark mirror of the federation, going too far and not knowing when to stop. The borg are not entirely unlike the feds, that's always been the design, they just took a dark turn. They just take it a bit further. The federation absorbs other species and makes them follow certain rules and give up things. Its not the connectivity and absorption that makes them bad, it's that they take it too far, negate everything in the process, its that they destroy.
Hoshi Sato - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 03:15:46 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65102 Reply

I'm pretty sure it starts it at wherever you were when you copied the link
Guinan - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:47:53 EST 4rdeB8OC No.65103 Reply
There were rumors floating around it might involve the TNG cast
Trentin Fala - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 13:44:54 EST yZmAvBtA No.65104 Reply
Well that's a dumb rumor. The cast was on board before QT. Plus it doesn't make sense that JJ would even consider jettisoning his cast and universe and to make a movie with a different cast in a different universe without there being anything to bridge the two.
Lt. Maxwell Burke - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 13:49:12 EST jmSOtBOw No.65123 Reply
I keep seeing people saying I should trust this edgelord with Trek. But what we've gotten has been shit stacked on top of shit, only liked by people who were never all that much into Trek in the first place, or not at all.

I don't even like his work after Kill Bill. I don't even think Tarantino is good anymore at the stuff he invented. I'm not sure if he ever was, but the fact that he was still relatively underground made him tone down some of the stuff he clearly wanted to do. Like all the foot shit.

Christ, does this mean we're getting foot shit in Trek? Couldn't this hydrocephalic gore hound have had a better fetish? Or literally any other fetish? I mean, if he's into mainstream accepted stuff, like BDSM, you just get something that doesn't stand out too much. A woman in skintight leather with a whip saying some mean stuff? Doesn't sound different from what real Kirk used to deal with. If he's into disgusting shit like scat or guro, it's just never going to make it into the movie. And if he's into out there stuff like furry or vore, we either get our original Caitian designs back instead of Into Darkness' safe garbage, or you just get a space monster swallowing someone. You'd never even notice it.

But no, it had to be feet. The technically worksafe fetish, so you can just parrot that as you segue into pornography for five minutes. Just make a porn film, Tarantino. You'll feel better. It's not like you've got a reputation to protect or anything.
Naomi Wildman - Fri, 06 Jul 2018 16:36:43 EST HeFO2p/X No.65135 Reply
Thank you kind anon for speaking the truth about Tarantino that few dare speak.
Kang - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:52:08 EST MUJ4M6tq No.65168 Reply
I thought about you when I watched Jackie Brown last night and the camera rested for like 10 seconds on the bare feet of that blonde girl for absolutely no reason.
Grilka - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:06:55 EST EJqFm2LN No.65251 Reply
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>>Darren Aronofsky
Sorry this is kinda a personal rant but... thats the guy who made that movie Pi right? That pretentious halfwit doesn't even understand circles and your gama let him rant about tachyons for 90-120 minutes?

I could think of no worse person to make a star trek movie. I usallyike QT movies but also IDK if he is smart enough to make good sci fi. Del Torro probably could though, but idk.
Dr. Mora Pol - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:16:32 EST 2AD8DySp No.65252 Reply

why do you take issue with pi? i thought it was a good movie
Molly O'Brien - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:45:35 EST HeFO2p/X No.65253 Reply
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Clearly you've never seen his other work and/or it went over your head. The Fountain was the film that I was thinking qualified him for Trek, as it is sci-fi but doesn't get caught up on science, focusing on using it as a metaphor for the hero's journey. Black Swan is eminently plot driven and includes no rambling about tachyons, so it's clear that he has a broad range as a director.

Anyway, so you're saying Trek is more appropriately about gallons of blood and endless swearing gunfights than contemplative ponderings about the nature of the universe and our place in it? I think you're looking for Star Wars bud.
Talok - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 20:23:35 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65258 Reply
>Black Swan
oh okay
so here's an idea for a star trek he could do
what if a crewman falls into a cursed spring and turns into a girl
or what about a crewman who's father builds a giant robot and then he has to pilot the robot
Boq'ta - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 23:27:53 EST HeFO2p/X No.65259 Reply
I don't know what you're talking about anymore. I was suggesting movies that displayed his range, in counter to Grilka suggesting 'Pi' was the only type of movie he could do. I don't think anyone is suggesting that directors can only make Trek movies based on stories they have already made movies of...
Charles Tucker III - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 06:17:01 EST hFH53wxi No.65265 Reply
We've already had this discussion. Peter Jackson did slasher films before the hobbit. good. Done.
Boq'ta - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:04:08 EST HeFO2p/X No.65271 Reply
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I genuinely didn't realize there was so much animosity to Aronofsky or The Fountain, or I wouldn't have used them as examples. It boggles my mind though. Are you the same kind of people who didn't like the ending of Interstellar? People who think 2001 is boring? I feel like I don't know Trekkies anymore...
Guinan - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 04:05:08 EST 4HhstPxQ No.65275 Reply
I hated Interstellar but I love the Fountain. It feels very surreal, and the special effects are all practical effects. To get weird swirly nebula shit they did chemistry through a microscope. Great movie for psychedelics. Interstellar's crazy black hole scenes were almost trippy enough for me to make up for the movie's many sins, but not quite. And 2001 is great.. I even like 2010.
Azan - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:22:21 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65277 Reply
2010's a very underrated scifi movie. Yeah it's not "The Great Science Fiction Film" that it's older brother gets the hype for but it's a nice enough little spaceship flick with that gets overlooked because it's not 2001.
DaiMon Bok - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:56:11 EST HeFO2p/X No.65308 Reply
Well I always knew you were cool Guinan, I wasn't talking about you...although I am curious why you didn't like the opening of Interstellar? Spoiler text it if it's something really specific. The pacing was off for the modern era but that's why I kinda see it as of a piece with the classic sci-fi epics of the 60s-80s. And it included some pretty interesting planet concepts and truly hard sci-fi in terms of the care with orbital physics and whatnot.

It's a shame those stories were relegated to the made-for-TV movie dustbin...I also understand they started to drift from the books more and more? 3001 is a great story that could do well on the big-screen if they actually tried to make it a sequel to 2001, both in scope and style.
Kazago - Mon, 30 Jul 2018 07:22:40 EST Nc5XVhlu No.65371 Reply
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>People who think 2001 is boring?
They're right. I fellnasleep trying to watch it 3 times.
Penk - Mon, 30 Jul 2018 07:38:13 EST jmSOtBOw No.65373 Reply
I didn't like Interstellar in general. It's nowhere near as smart as it and its fans like to think it is. And it doesn't help that one of its central problems is caused by the characters being stupid. That is, they decide to land on time-dilated ocean world, which sets up all the nonsense that follows.
Ghee P'Trell - Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:36:14 EST HeFO2p/X No.65380 Reply
For my own personal edification, can you guys tell me a science fiction film that you think is not 'boring' and is actually 'as smart as it thinks it is?' So I can see exactly what each of us means by these terms...
Ishka Moogie - Tue, 31 Jul 2018 04:45:13 EST bsMTOC3z No.65384 Reply
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I've been trying to make a post that basically doesn't belittle you for enjoying Stalker but that movie is fucking boring and slower than 2001. Granted, the scifi ideas are great but the movie, taken as a movie, blows hard cock. I am ready to have my ideas challenged
Admiral Chekote - Tue, 31 Jul 2018 07:23:55 EST jmSOtBOw No.65385 Reply
For starters, if you're putting 2001 and Interstellar on the same level, that's shit right there, because 2001 was actually good. I'd describe Interstellar as a 2001 type movie for the people who walked out of the theatre in 2001's opening scenes.

Science fiction is a pretty broad genre. Some of my favorites are firmly in B-grade movie territory. Stuff like Alien, Mad Max 2, The Thing, RoboCop, Total Recall, or Screamers. Of course, Total Recall and Screamers are adaptations of Philip K. Dick stories, and he wrote pulp to begin with. The B movie might be the best medium for the man's work, even considering that Total Recall was a tiny story that ends where the movie only begins. Conversely, Blade Runner cuts some fairly significant parts from the book. That also leaves me in a poor place to judge the movie, given that I know "the way it's supposed to be". Alien and The Thing are also horror on top of being science fiction.

I mean, a science fiction film that is not boring and is as smart as it thinks it is, is... Attack the Block. You know, the Brit-skit about a bunch of mostly black teens from a shitty neighborhood fighting an alien invasion? But is it a smart movie that makes you think about the way you see the world? Well, maybe it is for a bit. It does get a little poignant at some point. But mostly it's just fun.

In the end there's just too much to name that's actually good, and most of it is good for wildly different reasons. But maybe that's why I dislike the fact that something like Interstellar gets to be the world's window into "smart" science fiction. Than again, District 9 seemed to go over people's heads a few times, so maybe it's for the best.
Persis - Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:36:16 EST bJrisuWk No.65387 Reply
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i know it sounds dumb, but that shit is beyond this plane
Admiral Chekote - Tue, 31 Jul 2018 09:58:50 EST jmSOtBOw No.65390 Reply
Rubber seems to be real love it or hate it kind of deal. I've seen loads of people call it the worst movie they've ever seen. But I love it. Why? No reason...
Captain Shelby - Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:07:58 EST hFH53wxi No.65392 Reply
Technically a poor movie but a good idea?

Surely whether you enjoy such a seriously flawed gem is down to personal taste? I Enjoyed it but yes it dragged and it was a long time ago and I was visiting the Netherlands and smoking all the super silver haze I could get. I think belittling someone for liking Stalker is a bit much. There's irredeemable films out there but Stalker was a long way off.
Kira Meru - Thu, 02 Aug 2018 04:32:43 EST HeFO2p/X No.65410 Reply
I would say that the widely divergent examples and directions for what everyone considers 'good' 'not boring' and 'smart' science fiction demonstrates my point. It's not a monolithic genre, basically no one even in this thread is evaluating it by the same standards, so isn't what we all think of as good sci-fi basically just down to taste? I think a lot of the movies you guys said were good are dumb, or perfect examples of terrible sci-fi, but I'm not gonna make a screed about how I can't believe each of you could possibly like those things. I just recognize you have different tastes than me.
Anyway, I think this is all mostly being lost of deaf ears, so I'm abandoning thread.
Alexander Rozhenko - Fri, 03 Aug 2018 19:10:38 EST kX2GwAP8 No.65421 Reply
I watched Rubber while tripping on dxm so i don't really remember much besides having an awesome time. Maybe I'll have to check it out again.
Kevin Mulkahey - Sat, 04 Aug 2018 17:24:21 EST gERfmTSw No.65422 Reply
promote picard or retired picard?

What did he do during the dominon war? did he direct and manage vast fleets? what did riker do?

Hopefully they did stuff in the war and not settle holodeck issues all the time due to barclay and his ryona programs.
Burt Ryan - Sat, 04 Aug 2018 18:01:22 EST 7laFE9AV No.65423 Reply
Star Trek: Insurrection is what they were doing during the Dominion war.
Borg Queen - Sun, 05 Aug 2018 03:07:35 EST PKki+GTG No.65430 Reply
Barclay isn't anywhere near Riker or Picard during the Dominion War.
Temporal Agent Daniels - Sun, 05 Aug 2018 04:11:32 EST HeFO2p/X No.65432 Reply
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So you don't have to watch the shows the other posters mentioned to get your answers, I'll tell you. During the Dominion war, the Enterprise was used mainly for its diplomatic expertise, putting out political 'brush-fires'. Which doesn't make sense...yes, Picard was a seasoned diplomat as far as captains go, but the Enterprise-E was a top of the line warship in a conflict where we know diminishing Federation fleet strength was a key part...anyway...

Basically they were kept out of the war, perhaps for reasons similar to why they kept Picard out of the Borg invasion incident; their own past and prestige had become a liability, which plays into the main plot of that film. But Picard got his mojo back so it was worth it. Data became a flotation device. Riker shaved his beard and it was as smooth as an android's ass and then he blew up some clouds and they called it the Riker maneuver.

Barclay was at Jupiter Station, occasionally working with Dr. Zimmerman, the guy who looks like and programmed Voyager's Doctor, obsessed with getting Voyager back home and fapping to a creepy holodeck fantasy of them all the time.

This is what these people were concerned with while the Federation was on the verge of defeat, etc. These are the cold facts people.
Tuvok - Sun, 05 Aug 2018 04:25:22 EST gERfmTSw No.65433 Reply
that's fine.

I still wanted that Captain worf show so bad.
>bad marks on his record so his promotion was likely bullshit punishment on a dead end assignment
>two dead wives
>son hates him
>probably would have dishonored the house of martok so he gets booted also

would have been cool.
Guinan - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 04:47:36 EST 1zFddpxp No.65458 Reply
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Okay, okay so let's review the timeline of events

>Tarantino announces he's doing a star trek project of some sort, everyone just assumes it's a film
>Patrick Stewart immediately expresses an interest to be involved
>Later, Tatrantino starts working on his current movie
>Now suddenly Picard show confirmed

I'm calling it, it's a miniseries set in the same time period that the future parts of "All Good Things.." take part in, but a parallel one to that possible future. It'll be directed, and maybe even written by Tarantino and will involve a time travel plot where the past is altered to save someone and it creates a dystopian future. Basing this on Tarrantinos podcast interview where he mentions "City at the Edge of Forever" and "Yesterdays Enterprise". I'm just reiterating, I think this is what Tarantinotrek is gonna actually be.
Private S Money - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:35:38 EST d4WzjwHl No.65459 Reply
Guinan it has potential. It could fix the franchise chain collapse.
Lt. Chu'lak - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 14:34:44 EST HeFO2p/X No.65467 Reply
>> the past is altered to save someone and it creates a dystopian future.
The thing that makes me think this is not it is how Pat went on about how it was the hope for the future in TNG and how we need that right now that really swayed his decision from a no to a yes...and that concept seems antithetical to that vision (unless it's more garbage 'we're going to show you how bad things can get as a warning, without, uh, explaining anything about how to actually make it better.')

I think maybe Tarantinotrek got Pat in the door, but since this is obviously something that will happen 'in the next few years' and we know that Tarantinotrek won't happen until after 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' which will be several years from now, so I don't think they can possibly be the same project.
Arik Soong - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 18:17:29 EST b2kjICL7 No.65472 Reply
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no doubt he will have a walking stick and be blathering about some place in space.
T'Pol - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 23:03:01 EST pGW9AzVT No.65473 Reply
Maybe I'm just a stupid fuck but I just watched the clip of Stewart actually announcing the new show live on stage somewhere and my opinion has completely changed. I not only now want the show to go ahead, I even believe it could be the best Trek ever because Stewart (by the sounds of it) has actually become an actual Trekkie himself at some point. He sounds like he actually gets Picard now in a way few actors have ever demonstrated ever knowing their own character from the perspective of fans, not just in Trek but in art in general.

Jesus I'm a stupid bastard. The reason for my visceral "NO!" at first was because Picard is sacred to me. Trek as a whole means a ton but Picard is just... another fucking level. I didn't think he could be touched in any way without taking something away from the legacy as evidenced by the fact that I'm nearly 30 now and the last rewatchable appearance of Picard was filmed when I was too young to start school. But fuck it, that same weakness for Picard in particular has dragged me across the aisle, I want this show. I'm HYPED for it. I hope it runs for 20 years!!!
Kirayoshi O'Brien - Tue, 07 Aug 2018 01:39:40 EST HeFO2p/X No.65475 Reply
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See I had already seen the video when I was telling everyone to chill out (I'm Chulak). His whole attitude about the thing really made me see it in a different light. If anyone hasn't actually seen the video, watch it.

Look into that man's face. Listen to his soul. I mean, there is more dramatic impact and pathos in him saying 'I'll see you all soon' and walking off stage than in the entire first season of Discodick combined. Just how bad could it possibly be, even if it is utter fan service, and when they know that if the wind hits Patrick wrong, he can just be like 'nope, fuck you guys, bye.' He's not doing it for them, he's doing it for us :')
Molly O'Brien - Tue, 07 Aug 2018 19:50:23 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65483 Reply
it's a nice speech and I really would like to believe, but no.
they need to show me a finished product that isn't shit

I'll be really happy if they do, but I'm not going to get invested in it until I've seen it and it hasn't sucked.
Kayron - Tue, 07 Aug 2018 21:02:55 EST 4PNMgSTR No.65484 Reply
I'm going to remain cautious and not be swayed by Stewarts charisma. Don't forget he was out plugging The Emoji Movie a couple years ago. Not saying that makes him bad or anything but he just takes anything that seems fun I think. I do have some faith that having him on board will improve the chances but I don't have much faith in CBS still.
Rebi - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 02:42:58 EST 3h3rpy1X No.65488 Reply

Pat stew is great with great writing. If it’s just discotrash grade trek but with Picard it will suck worse than anything sucked before.
Guinan - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:22:26 EST D65nZOLV No.65492 Reply
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I feel like this Picard trek is absolutely critical to the future of trek. It's either the last nail in the coffin for a franchise whose golden years are long past, OR the spark that lights the embers that ignites the pyre that conflagrates the mythical phoenix that is the great bird of the galaxy, which is representative of star trek. There's really no inbetween. Unless its pretty damn good, I don't think Trek has a future. We've had too much declining quality since Voyager / the TNG movies / Enterprise / nuTrek / Discovery have each given us less and less and less actual Trek. And that is not to say that Voyager / Enterprise aren't leagues better than nuTrek/Discovery, but my point is each new iteration seems less treklike and less smart, less thought out and less a labor of love.. and now all we have is a souless action fanfic covered with heavy duty CGI and lensflares that only have blue in them
Jennifer Sisko - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 16:07:27 EST pGW9AzVT No.65494 Reply
Yeah, having segued between pessimism and optimism this is about where I've levelled off. Trek has a long history of pulling off impossible shots and "catching lightning in a bottle" (as Nimoy once described what it would take for TNG to be successful and later admitted it had managed to achiev, DS9, the good bits of the Voyager and Enterprise shows are also more modern examples). On the other hand, it also has a long history of getting lazy and crapping into its own pants (see the TNG movies, the Abrams films and the other half of ENT).

The Wrath of Khan was a last-ditch attempt at Trek surviving into the 80s. It turned out to be so successful that it made Picard possible. The Picard Show could achieve something similar or it could be the equivalent of digging up my grandmother's corpse, raping it, and then taking selfies with it and then sending me those selfies as though you thought we were friends somehow...

I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Commander Suran - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 20:30:51 EST l5TvN503 No.65510 Reply
New Midnight's Edge vid goes into the Picard series, Moonves controversy, licensing issues and their prediction of how the Discovery people are planning to merge timelines.

G'Quan - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:26:04 EST PKki+GTG No.65514 Reply
>Still early in development, Stewart could only provide some loose parameters. “He may not, and I stress may not , be a captain anymore. He may not be the Jean-Luc that you recognize and know so well,” Stewart said. “Twenty years will have passed, which is more or less exactly the time between the very last movie—Nemesis—and today.”
Commander Suran - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:18:09 EST l5TvN503 No.65516 Reply
Maybe the show starts off following his retirement before he runs into some Romulan survivors that loop him into their crazy hijinks
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:29:06 EST HeFO2p/X No.65521 Reply
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Dream pilot: Open with a dull and dreary visage of 2399-2400(the first is exactly 20, but they'll probably do the second) as the Federation is crumbling under the weight of the Klingon war, Borg bullshit, Romulus exploding, after effects of Dominon war, etc. Old Picard has long since retired from being ambassador to Vulcan and is tending his vines, beginning to feel the effects of iromatic syndrome. He remembers fondly the incident where he thought he was that age -- but has long since dismissed the whole episode as Q's mettling, or maybe even a dream. He has of course passed the story on, confident that the timeline has unfolded totally differently than what he saw before...although he laments that maybe, it has turned out worse than he imagined.
Then, he gets a message from Admiral Riker...an anomaly has been discovered in the Devron system.
He turns and sees Q..."I told you, the trial never ends." Suddenly, he finds himself flashing back and forth between two alternate futures, the one he knows, where the Federation is on the brink of collapse, and another, brighter 2400, where somehow, he was still commanding a starship named Enterprise.

They can go where they want from there. Ideally, I would wrap up that whole plotline in the pilot, do some switcheroo where the Enterprise from the good timeline ends up having to escape to the prime timeline, where prime Picard puts together his original crew to be badasses and save the day by returning to TNG-era SLAYER righteousness. But unfortunately, even if they had this idea, they would probably fuck it up
Legate Damar - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 00:21:00 EST b2kjICL7 No.65524 Reply
I hope because the of the quantum effect of it not growing bigger in the future, the Klingon's aren't going to be so hostile. I think they might locutus it, what they originally had planed.
Legate Damar - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:47:26 EST b2kjICL7 No.65528 Reply
also ships can go fully invisible from now on, an lead ships are equipped with this huge laser that could wipe a line diametrically through a Borg cube.
Corporal Chang - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 13:26:52 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65529 Reply
now they just stand around on invisible bridges like they're floating in space and then they point at a planet and KABLEWM blow it up
Subcommander N'Vek - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:19:32 EST VAQxAp02 No.65532 Reply
I actually hate that ship so much. It's so kitbashy, third nacelle is lame and that shit on the saucer is worse.
Kang - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 21:02:22 EST E8iYaDp7 No.65536 Reply
If they lowered the two nacelles on port and starboard to make the profile more of an equilateral triangle and then reworked the body to be more guppy-like, it would make the design a bit sleeker
Ambassador Soval - Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:47:25 EST b2kjICL7 No.65540 Reply
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>>65536 they have to get quantum slipstream technology going for all the vast distances they need to cover for connecting further plot developments.

>>65529 That's what they were doing that in Star Trek Nemesis. It wouldn't take much to kill everyone, one ship? in cloak going around.
Weyoun 5 - Sun, 12 Aug 2018 19:43:14 EST ACBQ9B/S No.65541 Reply
Captain Shelby - Sun, 12 Aug 2018 21:15:08 EST b2kjICL7 No.65543 Reply
I'm thought Riker said warp 13? Voyager never have enough energy on the force to break quantum slipstream for long, maybe they did it with the extra power from the nasty extra nacelle to shape the field geometry? I would like to see data try and dock a shuttle to it.
Dr. Reyga - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 17:03:40 EST HeFO2p/X No.65555 Reply
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>> It's so kitbashy
I mean, that's its appeal. It's absurd, its kitschy. I assume if they did that it wouldn't look exactly like that, but they could pay homage to the design. Maybe more like this?
Captain Shelby - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:37:19 EST b2kjICL7 No.65558 Reply
>>65555 it doesn't have enough force fields lit up on the saucer section, so it would cause structural integrity loss at warp 13...
KC Hunter - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:46:02 EST DYj1hBu2 No.65560 Reply

If they do this, just make it star trek, but completely unrelated to anything star trek. Have Patrick Stewart build a shed or something, or work on his car, and intersperse it with elaborate starship footage.
Hadley - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:12:43 EST HeFO2p/X No.65562 Reply
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>>Have Patrick Stewart build a shed or something
I'd watch it. He's still a very good looking dude...
Pax - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:37:26 EST b2kjICL7 No.65565 Reply
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Yes.. they subatomically told me and showed me a picture, it was only going to be 'basic plot'. Some peoples hearts want to speak if you have said something, listen for it.

Anyhow, so I'll write a plot. Something came up and Picard needed to get to a place in space fast, but it was out of reach in the time frame for normal warp. So he went to see data and he theoretically came up with the idea of transdimensional warp. So he contacts the Voyager team for help. So Jane Way and Seven of Nine (maybe) get together, have fun discussions, worked out you would need an extra nacelle. Then they contact the old team, Beverly, Geordi, William.
Lursa - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 18:18:35 EST 4WVh8sFm No.65566 Reply
>but just before they get there *BOOM* something goes wrong, the third nacelle explodes

>camera cuts to everyones face looking shocked and afraid

>except Riker who's grinning like a devil

>it's not Willam it's THOMAS
Composer Delvok - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:08:15 EST vNwkKX1U No.65733 Reply
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I just want a series that is Voyager done right. Resources like torpedo actually being counted down as they're used, damage to the ship and its systems not fixed by the next episode.

Maybe its just after the Dominion war, they're experimenting with some new FTL/warp tech, hit a one in a million anomaly that sends the ship to an entirely different galaxy. Now they're just meandering around, just scraping by with the vein hope of something to send them back home.

Its post Borg queen a aimless Borg ship got send with them and scurries away like a roach whip you flip on a light. Now they have to try and find a way home all while trying to track down and stop the Borg's various attempts to get a foothold.

Lets say the first 2 perter they spend debating if its even their responsibility to chase down the Borg, are they even a threat or will they just get killed off by the galaxy's inhabitants, all while a window to get home counts down as the anomaly dissipates.

It's a small ship made just for that experiment, skeleton crew, all that jazz. Maybe even a few experimental things only the Capetian knows about and is sword to secrecy on that the writers can use to dig out of walls the might wright themselves into later.

Is that so much to ask for?
Lt. Diana Giddings - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:51:15 EST EgVDxr+m No.65735 Reply
if they did the premise of Voyager over again, people would rightfully just go, they've just done Voyager over again?! they also kinda used the Borg so much in Voyager that they weren't so monstrous by the end, as they were in TNG
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:23:33 EST HeFO2p/X No.65736 Reply
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You could have similar circumstances without it being exactly the same. Maybe instead of being lost really far away, they're not lost but being hunted by some much more powerful species which rules a region. Uhh, like I guess the Xindi arc but not shit. Or, maybe instead of being lost in space, they could be temporal agents and lost in time. It's star trek man, there are always possibilities.
Weyoun 5 - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 19:47:50 EST b2kjICL7 No.65739 Reply
>>65733 I was thinking in Voyager, they have the technology to create matter, so they could start to change the ship with the parts they make. They could possibly hold up somewhere, start to pull in any resources, could even make an external machine with a power source, and transform into a ? larger, faster better ship. Transwarp, cloaking if needed. It still has a Federation signature.
Governor Torak - Fri, 07 Sep 2018 13:56:55 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65747 Reply
>I was thinking in Voyager
thinking about the premise only makes watching Voyager a more heart-breaking experience
Lonzo - Fri, 07 Sep 2018 16:02:01 EST HeFO2p/X No.65751 Reply
You know they never really get into why starships take so long to make, or why they can't just reshape themselves in space. If everything is replicated, shouldn't it be fairly instant?

I mean even if we assume that replicators can't replicate anything bigger than themselves, surely even the biggest replicators are made of individual components small enough to be replicated?

I think the real answer is that the full implications of replicator technology never really sunk in to the writers during the entire run of the TNG-era.
Ensign Wright - Fri, 07 Sep 2018 18:37:40 EST V7km0UnK No.65753 Reply
None of the full potential really did. I mean, replicators are just Instant 3D printers.
Benjamin Sisko - Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:30:03 EST YN0x1kly No.65755 Reply
It always felt to me like complex materials couldn't be replicated easily. You could replicate self sealing stembolts for example but not an entire EPS conduit. Additionally some stuff is just energy dense or perhaps is hard to replicate either efficiently or without a specialised replicator.

That said for ablative armour and structural repairs I agree, the teleporter should suffice. Just use that to replace gaps on the ship. You have an energy dense material and you use a small amount to repair the broken bits.

It was mostly a writing decision, but I think they did make an effort to follow it up in universe. They don't get into it, you're right but they do acknowledge that starships can't just be replicated and that's why they're not replicated wholesale. You can teleport a person. You can replicate an entire person but the new person won't be alive. They handwave that too. They never really say why. To be honest Trek isn't super hard sci fi and I think that at that sort of hard/softness what matters is that the writers did actually consider it. I guess I'm okay with that because it means they did at least address the human side. When you read a fantasy story or play D&D or whatever you don't question the rules of magic (or vancian magic) but you do question why a person acts out of characters. In lord of the rings no one questions the magic of the ring or gandalf but they ask "why the fuck didn't they eagle to mount doom?" . Not being able to replicate a star ship is "Sauron bound dragons to his will" or "Sauron controls the weather and the skies are a storm in Mordor". Not replicating them when you can would be walking there and then getting an eagle home and no one batting a fucking eyelid.
Xerius - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:48:37 EST 5uU+DoWU No.65786 Reply
> You could replicate self sealing stembolts for example but not an entire EPS conduit.
In my view it's just
  • a) really strong JPEG compression.
  • b) "algorithmic" patterns ( the computer knows how to generate water, tea flavor, a cup and it composes the final pattern out of many smaller ones)

but I think that replicators aren't able to do something like
  • c) "fractal" molecular design (every molecule is at a predefined place and is part of some aspect of the product like energy storage, antenna, etc in it's own unique and optimal way) So the replicator can't create "perfect" products because it still has to do some bulk "copy paste" operations to create stuff.

This explanation can then account for most of the "you can't replicate X" things.
However in my head canon replicating people probably is possible, just highly taboo to the extent that society is compartmentalized about it.

Something, something eugenics wars, something section 31...
Captain Shelby - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:47:33 EST /3CEfzGr No.65789 Reply
In the haunted space station in Enterprise the replicators there cannot clone living matter and that thing might have actually been more advanced. However also Enterprise. But then I thought more.

Also they did copy Riker by accident and it wasn't a massive mystery as to how that happened once they knew it did. So I guess having said that you're probably right as far copying existing people at that moment goes rather than making whole new ones.

I guess it's fairly easy to explain why society wouldn't like it. Look at how they reacted to cloning and this is making a copy with your experiences who thinks they ARE you. Maybe YOU are the copy? Rikers took it badly enough and they'd had time to become different people. Aside from uncorking resentment there would be a whole new set of ethical conditions, cloning a good willing soldier? Are you making him disposable? A good engineer or someone who can do a thing which require high volume production would be useful but would that be slavery because you are creating someone with their purpose set? I mean sure they will probably accept it but what if they reject it? There's definitely diminishing returns on scientists? And this is before you diminish the uniqueness and invoke sentimental or religious arguments. And this isn't an exhaustive list, it's just a few minutes thoughts (also what about families and friends? that's a lot more questions) Do you copy them? how do you arrange families?). It's probably easier just to leave the genie in the bottle.

So yeah you're right. I am not sure it's taboo as it just makes things really uncomfortable and complicated really fucking fast.
Lee - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:50:50 EST b2kjICL7 No.65790 Reply
It could be the machine on a larger scale has higher structural density implements. As it works in natural fusion, which is what the machine runs on, it flips and creates the desired matter then it's just up to how they place it. Advanced gravitational placements, just a programmed machine.
Lee - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:04:50 EST b2kjICL7 No.65791 Reply
>>65790 also just thought, Tom Paris, made his shuttle from replication. That one broke the records, gorgeous..
Arne Darvin - Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:14:23 EST /3CEfzGr No.65796 Reply
The delta flyer took a week with several people though. It was replicated in little bits not just wholesale using the ship's transporters.
Geordi La Forge - Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:44:33 EST x5PHd72O No.65812 Reply
Gates McFadden (Dr. Crusher) and Michael Dorn (Worf) went on to confirm that they have not been asked to return to Star Trek. Dorn said, “We weren’t asked” and McFadden jokingly added, “My cat got a huge contract offer, though.” Sirtis went on to say:

“We weren’t asked, but I was asked to be on The Orville. I am on The Orville.”

Weyoun 7 - Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:00:28 EST b2kjICL7 No.65819 Reply
>>65812 they have all the stars on The Orville. I've enjoyed it more than the latest series. The mindset is like old school comedy Trek. Just background fun T.V anyways...
Subcommander T'Rul - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:02:07 EST l5TvN503 No.65842 Reply
Does anybody even want Crusher and Troi to come back? It doesn't really surprise me that they're not coming back. I bet Geordi will be back though.

Honestly I'm surprised that they haven't tried to get Dorn to make an appearance in The Orville. I feel like he'd fit in really well along with the other trek alums.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:49:01 EST L/B0hL6r No.65843 Reply
I want another season of Hyperdrive.
Turanj - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:20:15 EST SfiMcBo4 No.65844 Reply
Isn't that the show the Kill The Humans song came from? I liked that. Never tried the show
Sarek - Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:26:55 EST HeFO2p/X No.65845 Reply
For people who haven't been following this since the beginning, remember, they tried to get Dorn on Discovery but wanted to pay him peanuts and he said no. Patrick can afford to really lower his fee, but all those other actors are probably hungry as fuck. So I don't really think it's so much about them not realizing people would want to see them, or them not wanting to play ball, it's about CBS being stingy bastards.
Naomi Wildman - Tue, 25 Sep 2018 03:12:54 EST vfKzFqQZ No.65849 Reply
Michael Dorn flies personal jets in his free time. He's probably living off TNG and DS9 royalties.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 26 Sep 2018 00:11:47 EST 7hZAtms2 No.65859 Reply
Also when I watched the first episode of Hyperdrive for the first time, I felt like I imagine non-nerds probaly feel when they watch actual Star Trek.
Gilora Rejal - Wed, 26 Sep 2018 18:26:35 EST LCfgD/e0 No.65867 Reply
Michael Dorn does a fair bit of voice acting. I doubt the money for that is amazing but he's had one or two cool roles. He's all over fallout 2 and reprises one of those roles for new vegas. one that isn't the final boss of the fucking game he's done some other stuff too. He likely still has to work to some extent. Maybe he just does stuff he likes though. Maybe they paid good money. I mean Richard Dean Anderson was in the first fallout.
Lt. Talas - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 16:01:31 EST Y8Ov7Xzc No.65891 Reply
Question that nobody has asked:

Is Shat'n'her jelly because Stewart is going a show of his own AGAIN and he isnt?
Corporal Kelly - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 17:50:52 EST J1F2mjkM No.65893 Reply
im 99% certain i heard his voice as the krogan u headbutt in ass effect 2
Geordi La Forge - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:31:53 EST LR0I4T68 No.65921 Reply
I doubt Shatner cares. Bill can be a bit of a harsh guy and hard to get along with, but I doubt he would be salty about Patrick getting another go at Picard.

Plus, I check out his Twitter every once and a while, and I get the feeling he likes doing more chill stuff nowadays, like that travel show he's on (or just shitposting about his favourite ships). Going back to a TV production at his age is something not many can tolerate, especially if they're part of the main cast.
Naomi Wildman - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:07:25 EST LCfgD/e0 No.65923 Reply
I think at some point, Shatner chilled out considerably and gained a sense of humour. I'm not quite sure when but it does seem like he's less of a princess these days and more concerned with just having fun. I suspect his attitude towards being Kirk has changed. I hope he realises that being pretty cool and pretty silly aren't mutually exclusive.

I googled it and you're right.
Legate Hovat - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 19:52:20 EST HeFO2p/X No.65927 Reply
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>>chilled out considerably and gained a sense of humour
Being an actor who despite your considerable fame has become the universal stereotype of bad acting will do that to a feller. Humble pie and saurian brandy are a tasty mix for your golden years.
Jannar - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 23:42:09 EST e5feiTTX No.65933 Reply

That and all the checks he got to basically play himself for the last 30 years.
Grand Nagus Zek - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 21:07:21 EST byRgzBbN No.65945 Reply

I hope Patrick Stewart never tries to sell me a flight and hotel room.
Admiral Alidar Jarok - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:17:41 EST l5TvN503 No.65959 Reply
Pat Stew will do anything if he has the chance to be silly. I can appreciate that.
Krem - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:25:17 EST KGL1tgWI No.65983 Reply
Weyoun 8 - Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:39:16 EST NV/xNPgo No.66087 Reply
Holy shit, there's a lot of good reading in this thread. Really interesting takes, thoughtful responses. This is a great board.
I didn't realize there is new stuff in the works. The fact that Patrick Stewart is involved is really interesting. Someone's point about luring back fans they lost from Discovery is also interesting. I was under the impression that Stewart was never completely in love with being Picard, originally thought it would be a short gig and probably not his "life's work". He's a great actor though and being able to play a role so well while it's not your "dream" is good evidence of that.
But yeah I suspect they want to lure old fans and threw a lot of money at him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKQp1sGVRQ here's him talking about it, aug 2018
Weyoun 8 - Wed, 24 Oct 2018 00:18:00 EST NV/xNPgo No.66088 Reply
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>here's him talking about it
>not reading the thread before posting
Guinan - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:46:50 EST b048m/L8 No.67541 Reply
Why the ever living fuck is everyone wearing uniforms that were replaced before the dominion war? This is like making TNG but everyone's wearing uniforms from TOS

Not a good sign if you ask me, and that's literally the only image we have
Kira Nerys - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:10:58 EST oRirI22t No.67543 Reply
The uniforms are not so much a timeline as "These different shows had different uniforms"

Personally I think they should definitely be wearing the All Good Things TMP throwback uniforms. That's just a good uniform.
Juan Cena - Thu, 16 May 2019 20:53:27 EST oBOai3ZN No.67544 Reply
Old is new? Heck, the US Army just adopted the Army Greens uniform. The new service uniform looks straight out of WW2.
Gilora Rejal - Thu, 16 May 2019 21:57:22 EST 60zgf9Xq No.67545 Reply
it looks like someone copy and pasted an ST character into the background of a still from Blunt Talk
NJ the artist formerly known as (notAI) !qBlnbPq3cw - Fri, 17 May 2019 04:50:10 EST gDXL6mvm No.67549 Reply
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I will accept nothing less than the return of Paramount comics Starfleet academy! Starring none other than Nog!
Sarpek the Fearless - Fri, 17 May 2019 09:58:53 EST bOlOhkyn No.67550 Reply
dude you made a typo
you should have posted
>shit's happening
because it's going to be shit
Sarpek the Fearless - Fri, 17 May 2019 11:55:19 EST bOlOhkyn No.67551 Reply
so was this as "It's X-Men But They're Star Trek" as the cover makes it look?
Guinan - Sat, 18 May 2019 00:56:21 EST b048m/L8 No.67560 Reply
Sure looks like it lol
But I love the idea. Nog is pretty rad.
Roger Lemli - Thu, 23 May 2019 19:15:53 EST bH62e8kI No.67624 Reply
>explore Picard's tragic career
>tragic career

God fucking damn it.
Juan Cena - Thu, 23 May 2019 20:33:15 EST oBOai3ZN No.67625 Reply
I wouldn't call it a tragic career but...

-Nearly killed when he was a cadet
-Became Captain because his Captain was killed
-Best friend was killed during an away mission
-Lost two ships under his command
-The whole Borg thing
-Forced to kill a clone of himself
Bernardo Calvera - Thu, 23 May 2019 22:15:09 EST bOlOhkyn No.67626 Reply
>ending up in post-split shit trek
yeah that's pretty tragic
Gul Macet - Fri, 24 May 2019 09:09:30 EST bH62e8kI No.67633 Reply

It's the theme for the reboot picard asspull.

They're going to ruin one of the best characters from modern media.
Silik - Fri, 24 May 2019 10:48:06 EST oDV8iW5L No.67634 Reply
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New trailer dropped and its giving distressingly little details. Face it boys this show will suck fucking cock why do you even have a sliver of hope for CBS not fucking this up?
Guinan - Fri, 24 May 2019 19:56:17 EST 188qcWQ0 No.67644 Reply
I dunno guys, having watched the preview I gotta say I'm a little intrigued but then again the "uniforms" look like dog shit.. and the fact that it's under the alternate license doesnt likely bode well. I want it to be good but I fear its too late and trek is already dead
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Sat, 25 May 2019 19:41:07 EST CuGxtl3d No.67655 Reply
Only way it would be good if it was Q and Picard were on some mental trip through the realms of reality and possibilities but that won't happen.
Chakotay - Sat, 25 May 2019 20:34:52 EST gOUFeB9G No.67656 Reply
Picard would never hang with Q. maybe argue with him but what even is the use of that when Q is right about every thing?
Lauren - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 01:35:28 EST rWCH2G31 No.67727 Reply
Im not sure what's sadder, the idea of Q getting older or Data getting older (althought technically I guess Q is less of an assgrab there because Q actually did age at one point).
Admiral Hayes - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 12:44:00 EST bOlOhkyn No.67733 Reply
"Oh come now Jean Luc, I went through all this trouble so you wouldn't feel so ALONE in growing old"
Chulak - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:47:03 EST /Gs0AEjp No.67741 Reply
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Woah, hold up. I know I'm late to the party, but Stalker is fantastic and a master class in pacing. Absolutely every element mimics the eerie crawl of the three main characters through such a bizarre landscape. From the slow, lumbering camera movement and minimalist sound design to the drawn out philosophical discussions, it all adds to a sense of extreme caution almost to the point of reverence. When the climax finally comes, the Stalker's speech about personal retribution in such a wretched place hits you like a fucking freight train. 10/10 acting. Then, just when you think the emotional arc is fading to a close, his wife gives a brilliant monologue that leaves any thinking, feeling person in shambles.

It's really more of an elaborate stage play than a movie, something I think all Trek fans should highly appreciate. Unlike Star Trek, however, sci-fi technobabble takes a back seat to the immense psychological strain such strange situations would place on humans, but that makes it all the more thrilling. No deus ex machina or Mary Sues to save you from the depravity of modern humanity. A proper Shakespearean tragedy.
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:16:06 EST /Gs0AEjp No.67755 Reply
The games and movie are both loosely based on a book called "Roadside Picnic". The book came out in 1972 and the movie in 1979.

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