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How CBS surprise-fucked the Axanar project.

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- Sat, 22 Jun 2019 20:06:41 EST 3zLLAkg0 No.67839
File: 1561248401181.jpg -(118578B / 115.80KB, 1300x701) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How CBS surprise-fucked the Axanar project.
>Star Trek and fan productions peacefully co-existed for decades, until CBS took legal action against Alec Peters’ «Axanar». Fans first got a glimpse of the ambition behind it in the sensation «Prelude to Axanar»; and according to some, a finished «Axanar» could have rivaled an official Star Trek production in terms of scale and scope. However, the originally planned «Axanar» never came to be, due to CBS’ guidelines for fan films following the «Axanar» lawsuit.
>«Axanar» is still moving forward though, as it as of the release of this video, is set to shoot in October of 2019, under the direction of comicbook creator Paul Jenkins.
>In this interview, Tom and Robb are talking with Alec Peters about the «Axanar» that is in the making.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqPR6oQ5krg
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Admiral Cartwright - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 23:48:17 EST bOlOhkyn No.67842 Reply
meh
I don't have much sympy for these "fan" productions that roll in serious cash
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Admiral Cartwright - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:14:09 EST bOlOhkyn No.67846 Reply
>>67843
>side
lol this ain't pokeymans and you pick red or blue
CBS can be a bunch of cunts, and those modern "fan films" that incorporate as non-profits and end up a massive tax hustle for businesses, actors, and some randos while taking money from nerd can be a bunch of cunts too
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Guinan - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 13:23:53 EST b048m/L8 No.67847 Reply
1561310633154.jpg -(19237B / 18.79KB, 500x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size.
>>67846
Okay buddy because normal people can't make things they're passionate about, only Hollywood can do that. I love that you jump to the whole "tax hustle" thing when it's pretty well understood that the production of television and film is rife with money laundering. Some movies are ONLY made to launder dirty money. And you're bitching that some fans are trying to find a loophole to do what they're passionate about without being legally curbstomped into the ground just for doing so.


You seem to act like the way intellectual property is handled in the modern world isn't completely fucked. Well it is, because originally copyrights did not extend past a decade and expired if the copyright holder died. In the United States, the basis for copyright law wasn't actually even included by the founders, they refer almost exclusively to scientific discoveries and inventions.. It's the fault of greedy corporate interests that things have gotten do royally fucked, mostly the Disney corporation in its efforts to keep its shitty mascot. In reality, Star Trek couldn't exist without our laws being as retarded as the person I'm replying to, but if you honestly think this situation is fine then you are the problem with the world today.

The real question I want to ask, is why should a company that declined the original star trek, that never cared about star trek and had no intention of making new stuff until they got jealous of Axanar. And even then, they just outsourced it. Why should they have the rights to something they ultimately dont care about when there are legions of people who have made star trek their life. Roddenberry died in the early 90s for fucks sake.. remember he didnt live to see DS9. And you're telling me that a 50 year old franchise whose creator died halfway through that should remain intellectual property in perpetuity so that a thousand fucking years from now some other asshole owns the rights? At this point, I'm starting to think that everything should hit public domain automatically when it hits 50. And nothing, and I mean fucking nothing, should persist as an IP beyond the death of its creator(s). If the idea is to protect the ability for a creator to profit off their work then this should be obvious. But of course we all know in reality it's only ever been about money and greed. And the result of an owner that doesnt care is trash like nuTrek and STD.
This system is completely broken. The predilection that you can OWN an idea is a fucking lie. And it was never supposed to be about that. It was supposed to be about creating a space for creators to flourish, but instead it has become an abomination against philosophy itself. We are reaching a point where this is getting fucking absurd honestly. And the fact that you can't see it but immediately start rooting for the haves over the have nots is concerning. In conclusion, fuck off to r*dd*t or something. You came to the wrong sector. And you also picked the wrong fucking side.
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Borg Queen - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 20:42:48 EST u646u7ZY No.67851 Reply
>>67842
> "fan" productions that roll in serious cash

So literally only Axanar then?
And you were generalizing why? There's literally only one.
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Lt. JG Ayala - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 20:51:02 EST bOlOhkyn No.67853 Reply
>>67847
>side
lol
so yeah if you want to reform all IP law that's really neat, but that's not really related to the idea that this isn't some randos gluing paper plates to their walls for a TARDIS set, these are often professionals looking for work and using these as a chance to get exposure
they're neat but they're not saints
if you do it because you want to it's because you like it. if you pass the collection plate around before you do it you're getting paid.

>>67851
nah, that Firefly fan film did all that too, pretty much all of them that incorporate and get real talent on-board do that
that's where I learned how this works, the guy who did that was explaining it as a "how you can do it too!" thing
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Weyoun 5 - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:05:10 EST pyyl83GW No.67854 Reply
It's interesting if the copyright expired something could go crazy with projects, even more so into the future.
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James Moriarty - Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:40:09 EST v/mIhHdg No.67963 Reply
>>67853
>raising 100k from a kickstarter campaign makes you "professional" now
Funny how the shills attempt to brand people with a drop compared to their ocean of funding so readily. Also, ignoring that CBS' new regulations in response to Axanar regard EVERY fan production no matter how much funding they have. Nice of you to sweep all that under the carpet in the name of faux social consciousness.
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Weyoun 8 - Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:40:24 EST bOlOhkyn No.67969 Reply
>>67963
also being an industry professional helps too
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3572740/fullcredits

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1501183/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
here's the director and writer, hyping his industry work

here are the editors
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122428/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr15
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7419291/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr16
They've been involved with such classic fan films as "Army Of Darkness" and "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3"
here's one of their behind the scenes guys
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3785001/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr35
he won that fan award the "emmy" a couple of times

a lot of these people have been in the entertainment industry for many years and are legitimate professionals
and yes, getting paid is basically the definition of "professional" so yes if you put "money pls" before your work it is by most reasonable thought processes a professional thing
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Vash - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:46:56 EST Jp69YzPR No.67971 Reply
>>67969
>not understanding the basic concepts here

A handful of professionals does not a CBS competitor make.
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Gaila - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:34:22 EST Qx8GIaF3 No.67972 Reply
>>67971
Oh shit a spacetime wormhole has shifted the coordinates of the goalpost, captain!
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Guinan - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:18:09 EST b048m/L8 No.67973 Reply
Haha Vash hurt CBS's feelings
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Porthos - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 21:37:32 EST v/mIhHdg No.67974 Reply
>>67969
>>67972
So you're a professional for shitposting under CBS' pay dole?
Still ignoring the guidelines that will apply to all future fan films, money or no. It's easy to see where your loyalties lie. You probably had all those IMDBs in a txt file ready to go whenever anybody questions you.
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Grand Nagus Zek - Thu, 18 Jul 2019 12:22:40 EST bOlOhkyn No.67975 Reply
>>67974
lol back to "team A or team B"
you're really fucking desperate for a console war fight or something?
Just because CBS is bad doesn't make not-CBS good. This is real life.
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Guinan - Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:35:39 EST b048m/L8 No.67976 Reply
>>67975
Most of us have been here long enough to remember the astroturfing shills coming here in droves when Into Darkness came out. It drove up traffic to /1701/ significantly. In real life, CBS bad, not CBS good. Absolutely nothing good has come out of CBS whoring out the star trek brand to bad robot while simultaneously suing anyone who makes a low budget video larping about star trek. Fuck right off mate. You're not even attempting argument you're just smugging around about how things are more nebulous than they seem, smugly.
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Commander Sela - Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:33:47 EST bOlOhkyn No.67978 Reply
>>67976
I've constantly said CBS was bad. Are you reading some other thread?
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Guinan - Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:24:23 EST b048m/L8 No.67979 Reply
>>67978
Because of the Nexus I have some awareness of every thread on every website everywhere, so yes. But also no.

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