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Things I would like to see in the Picard series

!cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:49:29 EST KA3qn+7B No.67980
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ITT: We shit-talk Star Trek: Picard and the current state of Trek

This post was edited by Therm0ptic on 28-07-2019 04:17:08
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:51:14 EST KA3qn+7B No.67981 Reply
ITT: we set ourselves up for disappointment.
Dexter Remmick - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:32:09 EST pyyl83GW No.67982 Reply
All the Netflix, CBS productions are now giving main characters the directors or writings spots. More money or learning, they are using for their experience. I think the budget is so slim on some of them they get the actors to do more to make it worth their while.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:34:40 EST KA3qn+7B No.67983 Reply
>Star Trek
>Slim budget
Wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being a good thing.
Penk - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:21:10 EST rOtkztUk No.67993 Reply
>The crucifixion of Alex Kurtzman.
Guinan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 04:58:57 EST q+ftfeAn No.68003 Reply
Sorry I didn't mean to be so optimistic. But that preview almost made me consider pirating this show when it comes out. Almost. Maybe.
Ensign Herbert - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:18:08 EST wPqebFzz No.68005 Reply
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>What about you guys?

Everything Kurtzman touches is shit. Not even going to watch the premier.>>67980
Guinan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:48:21 EST q+ftfeAn No.68008 Reply
At the end of Descent part 2 Hugh is mad at the TNG crew but hes alive and well
Seeing that there was Borg shit in the second preview I think it's possible
Icheb - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:54:35 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68009 Reply
I have faith that Stewart can counteract Kurtzman. He's come to love Star Trek and Picard. If they screw it up, he'll walk, and NO ONE ELSE can be Picard, so they'd be stuffed.
Pavel Chekov - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:02:48 EST mw1AnnTr No.68011 Reply
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Jeri Ryan is in it, it looks auto bad.

This is basically Discovery ALL OVER AGAIN hitting you in your nostalgias.
7of9, B4/Data, Picard, Borg, and you know damn well with 7of9 and Picard, Borg Queen is auto-confirmed.

Literally nothing new, all rehash with a new color of paint (literally on Brent Spiner).
Pavel Chekov - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:05:39 EST mw1AnnTr No.68012 Reply
>How Damar and the NWO of Cardassia is doing

Damar been dead, somebody didn't watch What We Leave Behind
Admiral William J Ross - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:44:31 EST tIheJRbh No.68013 Reply
The fuck kind of track record does Stewart have as a writer or producer? Not to mention he's still one of 8. Even if he counterracts one dipshit there are 6 others. Get your head out, lad.
Ensign Herbert - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:34:11 EST wPqebFzz No.68014 Reply
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>The fuck kind of track record does Stewart have as a writer or producer?

Star Trek Insurrection
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:43:36 EST KA3qn+7B No.68017 Reply
I've watched every series more times than I can count but my memory is shit. Still, I'd like to see what new Cardassia is like

Honestly though, ever since Discovery, I have low expectations for Picard. I think at this point I just like discussing Trek more than watching new Trek.
Koloth - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:40:00 EST bOlOhkyn No.68020 Reply
iirc Stewart is usually credited with any Action Picard with Starfleet Dune Buggy (tm) style stuff
Captain Kargan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:02:44 EST KnfWwin5 No.68022 Reply
This isn't prime timeline Trek.

>People thinking this is real Star Trek just because Fake Picard is in it
Christopher Pike - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:04:59 EST rEAaDhbY No.68023 Reply
At this point I'm actively rooting against this or anything that will prolong Star Trek. Trek died, and the people making these shows are raping a corpse. And corpse rape is not something that gets prettier the longer it goes on. If Discovery offended your senses, Picard is going to scar you psychologically. Then Lower Decks will be there to laugh at you while you're standing mouth agape with tears welled up in your eyes.
Captain Kargan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:00:56 EST KnfWwin5 No.68025 Reply

Also that "fans" make the worst shit ever when it comes to anything. Ever.
Mordoc - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:29:09 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68036 Reply
I'm still gonna wait, because quite frankly, this reaction is almost a perfect reflection of the old school fans to TNG.
Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:49:34 EST v/mIhHdg No.68039 Reply
implying you were alive when the boomers reacted to TNG way back in the fucking 80s and aren't just repeating the same tired verbatim line shills use to shut down any criticism of new product
Prinadora - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:49:11 EST UmVuooCU No.68043 Reply
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People said the same thing on here before Discovery. You'll learn.
Admiral Cartwright - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:22:17 EST TvCu3gPQ No.68044 Reply
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I want it to be good but this trailer...

>BWOM style soundtrack
>hood wearing mystery person on the run trope
>Picard watching action woman kick ass
>accentuated punchy sound whenever something fades to black
>The ship at @1:18 looks more like The Expanse than Star Trek
>Picard almost feels like a background character
>the need for Seven of Nine to say "hell" instead of just making her dialogue more organic (I'm knitpicking here but come on)
>nostalgia bait

yeah this is just an action movie that's trying to use nostalgia to sell a product. I'm not sure this is going to be good, but I'm going to pirate it and watch the first episode anyway.
Thomas Riker - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:34:43 EST VJrL+BwN No.68045 Reply
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On the dvd they described the buggy as bait to get Stewart to do the movie. The more important, and unspoken, point is that Stewart didn't object for the obvious reason that it didn't fit the character. He'll sign on to shitty writing if they dangle a cheap lure in his face.

I broke down and watched the trailer. It was less disappointing than I thought it would be but don't mistake that for praise. My only happy-ish moment was seeing Jeri Ryan but that's because she seems like such a sweet person in her con appearances and not because of any Seven nostalgia. I got sick of her character when Voyager aired because she headlined every episode after joining and they wouldn't stop pounding the Her Humanity drum in our faces.

Other than that it looks like typical Kurtzman schlock. One mystery person, fate of EVERYTHING hangs on her, running, jumping, punching in a show about a geriatric retiree who won't retire. Even the fucking hood - she's Into Darkness' Khan all over again. 5 space bucks says her reveal is as flat as Khan's was.

So the show prediction: a series of action set pieces with pseudo-dramatic connective tissue propped up by shallow dialogue and deepities where dialogue sounds meaningful but none of it is earned. We will be told that characters are special and have special bonds and relationships with each other but we will be shown none of it. Characters who are supposed to be close friends and partners will talk to and treat each other like strangers at a baseball game. And then something will explode. Just like every other piece of shit Kurtzman has written. Just like NuTrek. Just like Discovery.

There's only been one chef in the kitchen this whole time and every meal he's served for the last ten years has been undercooked fish. Why the fuck would anyone expect the next one to suddenly switch to steak?
Nanpart Malor - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:53:16 EST pyyl83GW No.68051 Reply
Wouldn't all the time lines with Picard in the Nexus connect in some way and become the same type of state? So much time, you are doing everything.
So there could be a connection there to the prime timeline, also some have said he's still in the Nexus, maybe the whole Kelvin Timeline is a REM type of state in the Nexus.
Weyoun 4 - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:10:26 EST DOoKqsq1 No.68055 Reply
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Oh man you don't understand how damned pumped I am for The Devil Wears Prada sequel.
Nanpart Malor - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:03:53 EST pyyl83GW No.68056 Reply
Thinking about it today, saying Picard did what the other Picard in Prime time line did move for move until Nemesis, would very improbable.
The new Kirk probably wouldn't have been near the Nexus to save those people in Generations in this timeline, so Picard wouldn't have seen him in the Nexus, so that shifts everything.
Benjamin Sisko - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:59:08 EST CwjG77QL No.68057 Reply
I’m really confused. If it’s good can I like it? Will it be good?
Liquidator Brunt - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 03:31:36 EST DPYhmCXF No.68059 Reply
As long as it manages to be at least as good as DSC S2, then that'll at least put it above ENT, TNG S1, at least a quarter of VOY, and 7 of the movies, so I'll probably have fun.
Captain Solok - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 03:36:24 EST u/WkmZ1S No.68060 Reply
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It looks grim and melodramatic like STD but damned if all the nostalgia pandering isn't blinding my critical eye. I remain incredibly cautiously optimistic.
Phlox - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:14:58 EST u5aj/dMK No.68066 Reply

And modern sci-fi trailer?


I fucking hate dubstep
Kor - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:50:39 EST jwjJ078M No.68068 Reply
I'm one of those who dislikes the heavier relationship/soap opera direction S2 went in but I'd still not necessarily describe it as a bad season. 50% good, 50% relationship crap is still watchable. I do worry that it's going to slide further and further into that though.
Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:53:01 EST DPYhmCXF No.68070 Reply
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And it was still better than all of those things.

ENT is the barest quality threshold of what I can tolerate and DSC S2 at least managed to pass that bar. DSC S1, however, absolutely did not.
Kathryn Janeway - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:47:20 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68079 Reply
OK, I watched the trailer. So here's my take-away from it as the massive naysayer I am:

>Space magic bitch
Yeah, I'll get this out of the way right quick: I fucking hate this. This is the sort of trope I wouldn't even expect from furry erotica, let alone a serious science fiction series following up what is legit the most legendary, influential science fiction series of all time. It's cheesy as all get-out, it's clearly meant to stoke some father/grandfather vibe with Picard, it's got all this shit where there entire relationship is implied to be this destiny type thing. I fucking hate it. She isn't a very distinctive character, either. Also, the fighting. Is this going to be another knockoff Summer? Because we already had Summer.

Stewart is a good actor. He's acting his age in this trailer, which is pretty refreshing. America is so obsessed with teen and tween characters that I'm honestly feeling kind of positive about the fact that they're making a mainstream show that stars a geriatric man.

>The crew
They look like garbage. I have no idea what their roles are, except for the dude with the sword. I'm guessing he cuts people. Vulcans is apparently as alien as it gets, which is disappointing. The Vulcans look weird, too. Also, I saw one face briefly that seems to approach Picard in age. The rest are the usual teeny-boppers. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was honestly expecting a more diverse crew. But mileage with that word may vary, I guess.

Terrible, frankly. They seem to have gone for a Discovery type look, maybe some JJTrek in there, and I don't like it. It looks like generic science fiction. I'm seeing a generic space ship, a generic space prison, some admittedly comfy interior spaces, and a generic space building. It's most disappointing for the ship, which needs a clear identity. This also extends to the wardrobe, which is the typical "tattered and faded" look that seems in for science fiction wardrobes these days. The Feds are optimistic, futuristic fuddy-duddies. Why the fuck are they dressing like every other dark sci-fi crew since the turn of the century?

Kinda nice to see her, actually. Jeri Ryan is a good actress, so it's a guarantee she'll be entertaining to watch when she's on-screen. Provides a bit more of a callback to old Trek than just Picard.

Overall I'm still not very hopeful. This comes from the same media tradition that has given us nothing but crap since 2009. The same assholes that will insinuate you're an awful human being for not being positively excited about the slop they serve. With JJTrek and Discovery it was a given that there was no soul behind the product. With this, there's a small chance there may be a bit of soul in it, by virtue of its background. But that's probably still going to be closer to JJTrek 3 than anything else. As in, decent for what it is, but crap in relation to anything that makes an earnest effort.

We'll see. But years of stuff I love being butchered and sold in the sweltering, stinking shop of modern media, flies buzzing everywhere, and the butcher angrily waving his cleaver around if you question the quality of his cuts... well, it's made me weary of even stepping into the goddamn place. If I have to choose between vegetarianism and putrid meat, it's still going to be vegetarianism.
Legate Hovat - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 00:11:52 EST bOlOhkyn No.68085 Reply
at this point it's a little optimistic to assume the people making trek know the difference
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 02:21:55 EST W/XmU5SC No.68086 Reply
Looks like more Discovery fucking bullshit. Disappointing; I had a glimmer of hope. Oh well.
Phlox - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:41:43 EST 3nXP05sM No.68105 Reply
Anything involving that pussy lipped hack fuck Alex Kutzman is destined for abject failure.

Patrick Stewart has no fucking conception of what Star Trek is, he's an actor, not a writer.

Michael Piller and Rick Berman aren't involved with Star Trek anymore. They were the heralds of Genes vision. Guess what- they haven't been involved with Star Trek since ENT.

I'm with the RLM guys on this one, it looks like Picard has been dropped into fucking STD.
Legate Porania - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:07:03 EST A7ntZ/oH No.68106 Reply
>I'm with the RLM guys on this one...

before reading this line I was going to accuse you of being Rich Evans
David Marcus - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:24:54 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68107 Reply
>Michael Piller and Rick Berman aren't involved with Star Trek anymore. They were the heralds of Genes vision

HAHAHAHAHAH Rick Berman was a dumb suit that burnt Voy and Ent to the ground with his (lack of) writing talent.
Phlox - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:25:46 EST 3nXP05sM No.68109 Reply
Rick Berman wasn't a writer but I take your point. Second, there was a lot working against VOY and ENT in my opinion aside from the writing.
Lorian - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:44:04 EST 8ORYHLv/ No.68110 Reply
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I haven't seen any STD save for a few youtube clips, but Picard MIGHT be good. I can't believe some trekkers are already shitting on this show before it's out yet.
Michael Sullivan - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:04:43 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68112 Reply
At this point I'm really fucking tired of this "but wait" shit. None of it has been good, OK? Not JJTrek, not Discovery. And it was all the same shit with that, too.

>no, no, just give it a chance bro, you can't know it's bad

And I've seen it dozens of times with other reboots. That and people picking the few good bits out of the shit and presenting it as a reason to watch it.

But over the years you build up certain expectations. And the expectations that all the various reboots have built up is that it's only about brand recognition. You present something most people have heard of, fewer have seen, and fewer still actually appreciate on a deep level. That last, tiny group doesn't really matter for marketing purposes. The brand is already big, so it doesn't need to be daring or novel to reach the same level of cult appeal that the original incarnations of it had.

You're looking at a design by committee corporate product and expecting the driven, daring product who's face it's wearing. It's just not going to happen. There may be glimmers here and there, you might be moved by Stewart's voice and acting ability on occasion. But the very nature of what it is will prevent it from being the thing you want it to be.

Go take a look at the Star Trek Plebbit. The reactions to the trailer read 100% like satire. Professions of screaming or crying like little girls, wonky fan theory just for the sake of it, obsessive picking at minute details, zero discussion of character motivation. That's the audience this is intended for.

At this point I know what a trailer like this spells out. You have no idea how I'm hoping that I'm dead wrong. I want my good, new Trek show, OK? But truth be told, I let it go 10 years ago, after the first JJTrek. At first, I thought it was good. I let myself be packed in by the shitty references, and the hope for more, better NuTrak. But then, months after having watched the movie, I realized one thing: I never think about it. I watched it, I went home, and that was that. But OG Trek never let me go. Its themes stayed relevant over the years, and I kept thinking about them.

Star Trek might legit have been some of the best stuff on television ever. It's a given that this was magic that was going to be lost at some point. And it's not going to be recaptured by just slapping the name on something new. That's OK, but you'll forgive me for not baying like a dog at that name just because it exists.
Badar N'D'D - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:27:28 EST Jk1V1UNV No.68113 Reply
Just heard they're doing a Star Trek: The Same Generation As The Last Time show and I am stoked. I love picard and data and worf. Everyone else not so much, especially dianna, but whatevs I'll totally watch this shit in ten years when it trickles onto the platforms I already pay for.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:55:09 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68117 Reply
>Rick Berman wasn't a writer

Yet he did it all the time on Ent.
Dejar - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:23:48 EST UZjTnNM5 No.68119 Reply
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okay i understand, but
there's always a but
but, what else do we do?
Dexter Remmick - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:57:16 EST bOlOhkyn No.68122 Reply
Gerry Anderson did some cool spaceship shows.
Also I've found that watching Japanese dubs of Trek on nico is fun if you're into weeb shit.
Major Rakal - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:25:05 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68126 Reply
my friend was telling me that japanese people who are into western cartoons fiercely debate whether it's better to watch king of the hill with subs or dubs
Kang - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:58:59 EST u5aj/dMK No.68132 Reply
I've heard of such arguments when My Little Pony FiM made it over there official with a dub. For a while Japanese needs were subbing it themselves.
Erika Benteen - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 23:32:14 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.68135 Reply
On the other side of this I am American and like animation and some anime but it has to be dubbed for me because I only really watch that stuff when I'm too fucked up to read the subs. I know that makes me a pleb but whatever.

Also hard to find dubbed content of the kinds of anime I like.
B'Elanna Torres - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:49:28 EST PcDP9Mvl No.68168 Reply
I just want it to not suck. I don't care about continuity any more.
Leeta - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 08:34:48 EST FHciLmhn No.68169 Reply
>I don't care about continuity any more.

then why bother with star trek? there are other shows. is the brand name that important to you?
Porthos - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:41:57 EST bOlOhkyn No.68175 Reply
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I value respecting the existing setting but I'm not super assblasted if they ignore the historical documents in pursuit of a good story
obviously it's all shades of gray and personal taste but I could handle, say, ignoring that Horta that was on the 1701 between movies 2 and 3 more than rewriting Diana Troy's love of chocolate
Lupaza - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 00:25:32 EST mBJuF85r No.68176 Reply

Axanar was decent, if they had been offered a contract instead of a cease and desist then Trek would be so much better off.
Koss - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:13:41 EST BcO6Q4Vv No.68179 Reply
Porthos understands.

Star Trek isn't about the continuity. It's bigger than a bunch of historical wank and subjective narratives. It's about a vision of the future. About examining the human condition in a way that a lot of media doesn't. It looks at the best we can be rather than just how far we can fall. It gives us something aspirational and hopeful.

Also yes it has an identity beyond this in it's universe, where it's genrefluid. It has it's tropes and familiar chords it rings.

Details like why the D wasn't tested enough to avoid needing extra EPS conductor routing or whatever aren't what makes it though. It's that feel, those values, that outlook. The loss of trek is because of edgy might is right, everyone is a shithead grimderp, spider piss puddle deep bullshit, not because the bridge's interface is too advanced.
Gaila - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:02:55 EST GdVOBSYt No.68181 Reply
It's going to suck and disrespect canon. Quislings are the worst. Move on and stop letting them do this.
Talok - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 17:33:06 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68186 Reply
This stuff about continuity is a red herring. Very few people except for the most enthusiastic of nerds over whose heads flew many of the actual points Trek was trying to make ever put much stock in continuity as a holy value.

HOWEVER. Adherence to continuity, or rather the lack of adherence, is also a bit of a litmus test. You'd expect people who care about a fictional universe to actually know stuff about it. When someone said "Hey, the Trill are kind of a cool idea if you take it beyond this basic Invasion of the Body Snatchers thing" nobody complained they were actually supposed to work differently. But when you say "we're essentially just making our own, original show and telling you it's canon. If you don't like it you just hate new things" that's a pretty clear excuse to just do whatever.
General K'Trelan - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 09:46:05 EST vhZHKGf5 No.68190 Reply
>Very few people except for the most enthusiastic of nerds

AKA the people who would actually pay for CBS All Access just for Trek.

It's funny you use the term "nerd" though. It's emblematic of the hijacking of nerd culture by morons. Nerd culture, all the comics and sci-fi stuff everybody's always beena fan of now, used to be strictly for nerds. The first prerequesite for being a nerd is being smart. Enjoying nerd stuff and not being smart just makes you a loser.

So now everybody's a fucking loser and loving it. Star Trek, both the brand and canon, is broken. Most of you acknowledge that about one or the other if not both. Yet here some of you are salivating at the prospect of receiving broken goods. Watching classic, canonical Trek inspired me to aim higher.

I'd rather keep the ideals, aspirations, and yes, canon, of Star Trek in tact in my head and heart than to pirate a show, complain about it how horrible it is, and then line up for another show from the same fucking people. The fact that millions of people anticipate, accept, and defend pure shit when they should know better is an example of why humanity's never getting anywhere close to a Star Trek-like future. Use your brains, you losers.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:46:18 EST KA3qn+7B No.68200 Reply
>The fact that millions of people anticipate, accept, and defend pure shit when they should know better is an example of why humanity's never getting anywhere close to a Star Trek-like future. Use your brains, you losers.
Don't let it bother you. Yes I love Star Trek but I'm betting everything on a cyberpunk dystopia. Nothing is sacred. Trek died when they announced a million simultaneous series that are nothing more than re-animated corpses of the franchis for profit. Congratulations CBS, you spit in the face of Grand Nagus Nog.
Corporal Chang - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 18:30:45 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68204 Reply
> I'm betting everything on a cyberpunk dystopia.

that's like betting on the outcome of a superbowl that happened 5 years ago
Krem - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 22:01:57 EST Fl6IM0Ha No.68219 Reply
Why the fuck does Data look like a potato now? Did they not have the budget to make him look decent?
Guinan - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 03:56:31 EST b048m/L8 No.68228 Reply
anyone know the exchange rate for bars of latinum and quatloos
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:53:27 EST bOlOhkyn No.68235 Reply
>putting your money in the quatloo
hahaha holy shit get a load of this fucking lobelet
Broca - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:55:14 EST pyyl83GW No.68241 Reply
Wouldn't they buy out all the latinum then slow release it for maximum demand to profits? Who's controlling it? The price inflation just wouldn't work from people.
Joseph Sisko - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 20:00:03 EST jwjJ078M No.68243 Reply
Because he logically shouldn't age. If they did the smart thing and just retconned his death they could claim he looked older because he'd decided to experience ageing/the humanoid life stage of being old and that'd be entirely in line with his character but that won't be an option if, as seems likely, the plot of an early episode will be bringing him back to life/getting B4 to go full data.
Leonard McCoy - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:08:34 EST 6uu76beq No.68249 Reply
Data: "Uhhhh Dr. Soong programmed my skin... to uh loosen Captain. And to retain that paste that lubricates my biofunctions. I am retaining android paste Captain."
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:42:53 EST cbMfxU/F No.68253 Reply
Come to think of it didn't Data add some grey to his hair in All Good Things? That's precedent.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:15:41 EST sfRQZ8/B No.68260 Reply
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Looking at it more closely he's just coloured a section of it grey but maybe that's just his android-enthusiasm understanding of the situation.
Dr. Antaak - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:16:52 EST CitRjbcP No.68261 Reply
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>That's precedent

Because there are no other ways to change hair color except through aging, right?

Data's a potato because Brent Spiner is 70. Picard is clearly going to be shit, no need to dig out the kernels.
Leeta - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:20:14 EST yLFBT7xS No.68262 Reply
>Because he logically shouldn't age.

They explain this in a throwaway line in TNG: S7E9 - Inheritance while they're examining the android of Juliana Soong, and Geordi says:
>It's part of her aging program. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:21:50 EST sfRQZ8/B No.68263 Reply
Given the context Data was probably doing it too look more scholarly than anything else but that's really just about looking old gracefully. It's more what >>68186 was saying about how if they knew the first thing about the proper shows they'd be able to look at them and see there's something there to work with.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:27:55 EST sfRQZ8/B No.68264 Reply
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>It's part of her aging program. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.
Didn't remember that or even think to check the episode: I assumed since she was designed to age and die, all without realising she was an android that her situation would be totally different but Geordi saying it outright with an off-hand line solves the issue entirely. Of course that does bring up the question of what data would look like ~1,000 years later, if he lived that long. Does he keep ageing forever? Even if he stopped visually ageing at the limit of human lifespan Data looking like old Bones for the rest of his theoretically infinite lifespan seems like a bit of a design flaw. Perhaps Soong designed in a cap on what age he'd look like or gave data the ability to control it after a point and it's one of those things that 'unlocks' after a certain amount of personal growth like the ability to dream did.
Guinan - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:32:17 EST S0Gs4xAT No.68272 Reply
So I'd like to weigh in on the Data's aging thing.. from my understanding Brent Spiner thought it was outlandishly retarded to have an android age, but the writers put it in there because they had no idea what kind of run TNG would truly have and wanted to be ready. Mentions of android aging all happen late in the series, probably because they hoped to get a few movies.. which they did.

In the Picard show, I'd imagine Datas appearance is a sort of compromise between these two schools of thought.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:34:33 EST udrxi7fH No.68273 Reply
If he can control his hair, he might as well be able to control his age appearance.
Guinan - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:58:37 EST S0Gs4xAT No.68274 Reply
Honestly he should be able to.. but I know I've read some interviews with Brent Spiner, I think specifically regarding Nemesis where he says something along the lines of he knew he'd have to give up playing Data at some point because he'd look too old and the audience wouldnt buy it. I'm willing to bet that getting Brent Spiner back required appeasing him on this issue.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 13:20:07 EST udrxi7fH No.68277 Reply
I remember that and you're probably right.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 14:46:27 EST cbMfxU/F No.68284 Reply
He also no doubt got sick of being known for only a single role. Say what you will about Shatner but he's probably the only big role Trek actor to have never turned on his character to then to a 180 years later realising that was his career peak. Even Partrick Stewart tried to push for action Picard which is the same sort of thing. Yes yes, get a life etc, but that was partly his weird sense of humour and partly dealing with actual autists.
Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 16:57:25 EST ZON5PC7z No.68288 Reply
He waited long enough.

They can young him up now. With the right makeup look it could be covered up better than most cases.
Nurse Jabara - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:12:29 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68291 Reply
Stewart sadly was denied the chance in a way too (besides X-Men)
He wanted to do a Transmetropolitan film adaption but TPTB didn't allow it.
KC Hunter - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:42:51 EST yLFBT7xS No.68302 Reply
Yeah, we now have the filmmaking technology to make Data young forever.
Just look at all the examples of de-aged actors in movies over the past few years.
Young Michael Douglas, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Kurt Russell in the Marvel films.
Young Arnold in that last Terminator movie.
Young Will Smith in that new Ang Lee movie.
Make Data Young Again.
Guinan - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:39:28 EST b048m/L8 No.68321 Reply
For real
All throughout the late 90s, people just wouldn't SHUT UP about making Data young again
Arik Soong - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 02:07:34 EST fAB9FYmd No.68449 Reply
Ya'll are too hard on Discovery and Picard. It's a TV show, fucking loosen up and live a little. Discovery is better than Enterprise. I am enjoying it and I am looking forward to Picard.

Also, TNG is the gold standard and nothing else fucking comes close, you bitches.
Krem - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 03:23:00 EST tBQ5aDMD No.68450 Reply
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you really are an idiot arent you ahahaha

star trek is dead. it died with roddenberry. his inertia was so great ds9 voy and ent were legit trek but 2009's """"Star Trek"""" sealed the fucking deal trek is DEAD and never coming back, now we must carry on the knowledge of a real utopia in space
Katherine Pulaski - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 04:03:13 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68451 Reply
Why can't shills ever form an argument that isn't composed of insults?
Vash - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 04:56:09 EST bOlOhkyn No.68453 Reply
if anything we're probably not hard enough on STD, but really getting in-depth about bitching would mean having to actually watch that shit lol
Katherine Pulaski - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:41:53 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68454 Reply
Frankly, there's not a lot to talk about. Discovery is generic as fuck.
Noah Lessing - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:05:47 EST WLJtCX4q No.68466 Reply
The whole red angel plot was extremely nonsensical. The big budget special effects, among other things (like muh nostalgia,) were used to cover up this fact. I have no reason to believe Picard will be any different.

The only episode I actually liked was the filler episode where they went down to the old timey church. Also I only say it's filler because it's not clear at all why the red angel brought the people living there to the planet or led Discovery there.
Gaila - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 13:20:58 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68486 Reply
I bet Kurtzman was like: Time Travel predestination paradoxes worked on some real trek episodes, why not make one that goes for the entire season?
Or it was not even that, may have been just random stuff thrown in there and simply cap it off with a pred. paradox for asspull reasons.
Anybody remember the ending of Fringe? That was exactly like this!
Ensign Hogan - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:04:19 EST bOlOhkyn No.68487 Reply
>I bet Kurtzman was like: where's the blow and child whores? oh okay there's some trek shit we have to make some intern finish that shit and get me a child whore and blow
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:09:04 EST CZACO6Ft No.68490 Reply
Y i k e s
Major Rakal - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 06:43:35 EST fhOpgdra No.68502 Reply
love pat stew but it's gonna be bad
Private S Money - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 21:40:19 EST byRgzBbN No.68548 Reply
so is this confirmed? is it out? someone give me the facts, i am too scared and depressed to research this myself
Prophet - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 22:44:50 EST dpyfhy68 No.68549 Reply
It's coming soon. It looks like shit, and you're right to remain in the dark about it.
Christopher Brynner - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 20:10:14 EST 430VlhYu No.68792 Reply
Look at the channel? UK

No CBS All access in UK

In addition, Discovery was on Netflix UK (use a VPN) so Picard will be too. Don't fucking pay for public television.
Dexter Remmick - Sun, 06 Oct 2019 11:49:47 EST +AC++ym6 No.68799 Reply
>Why is this a Amazon show?

best response
Mestral - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 02:55:35 EST wD28Px4R No.68895 Reply
I like 7 of 9 but why is she in a show about PICARD?
Guinan - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:45:15 EST b048m/L8 No.68905 Reply
She and Picard probably fugg cause they're both still like 15% borg components
aww yeeeeee that's what I'm talkin bout
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:24:44 EST KA3qn+7B No.68909 Reply
They were both in starfleet. Why not?
DS9 was better with Worf.
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:47:42 EST bOlOhkyn No.68914 Reply
it's some manner of Borg crap so it's a good excuse for a popular character
realistically if gratuitous 7 of 9 is the worst thing it does it'll be a miracle

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