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Things I would like to see in the Picard series

!cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:49:29 EST KA3qn+7B No.67980
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ITT: We shit-talk Star Trek: Picard and the current state of Trek

This post was edited by Therm0ptic on 28-07-2019 04:17:08
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:51:14 EST KA3qn+7B No.67981 Reply
ITT: we set ourselves up for disappointment.
Dexter Remmick - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:32:09 EST pyyl83GW No.67982 Reply
All the Netflix, CBS productions are now giving main characters the directors or writings spots. More money or learning, they are using for their experience. I think the budget is so slim on some of them they get the actors to do more to make it worth their while.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:34:40 EST KA3qn+7B No.67983 Reply
>Star Trek
>Slim budget
Wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being a good thing.
Penk - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:21:10 EST rOtkztUk No.67993 Reply
>The crucifixion of Alex Kurtzman.
Guinan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 04:58:57 EST q+ftfeAn No.68003 Reply
Sorry I didn't mean to be so optimistic. But that preview almost made me consider pirating this show when it comes out. Almost. Maybe.
Ensign Herbert - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 05:18:08 EST wPqebFzz No.68005 Reply
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>What about you guys?

Everything Kurtzman touches is shit. Not even going to watch the premier.>>67980
Guinan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:48:21 EST q+ftfeAn No.68008 Reply
At the end of Descent part 2 Hugh is mad at the TNG crew but hes alive and well
Seeing that there was Borg shit in the second preview I think it's possible
Icheb - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:54:35 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68009 Reply
I have faith that Stewart can counteract Kurtzman. He's come to love Star Trek and Picard. If they screw it up, he'll walk, and NO ONE ELSE can be Picard, so they'd be stuffed.
Pavel Chekov - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:02:48 EST mw1AnnTr No.68011 Reply
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Jeri Ryan is in it, it looks auto bad.

This is basically Discovery ALL OVER AGAIN hitting you in your nostalgias.
7of9, B4/Data, Picard, Borg, and you know damn well with 7of9 and Picard, Borg Queen is auto-confirmed.

Literally nothing new, all rehash with a new color of paint (literally on Brent Spiner).
Pavel Chekov - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:05:39 EST mw1AnnTr No.68012 Reply
>How Damar and the NWO of Cardassia is doing

Damar been dead, somebody didn't watch What We Leave Behind
Admiral William J Ross - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:44:31 EST tIheJRbh No.68013 Reply
The fuck kind of track record does Stewart have as a writer or producer? Not to mention he's still one of 8. Even if he counterracts one dipshit there are 6 others. Get your head out, lad.
Ensign Herbert - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:34:11 EST wPqebFzz No.68014 Reply
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>The fuck kind of track record does Stewart have as a writer or producer?

Star Trek Insurrection
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:43:36 EST KA3qn+7B No.68017 Reply
I've watched every series more times than I can count but my memory is shit. Still, I'd like to see what new Cardassia is like

Honestly though, ever since Discovery, I have low expectations for Picard. I think at this point I just like discussing Trek more than watching new Trek.
Koloth - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:40:00 EST bOlOhkyn No.68020 Reply
iirc Stewart is usually credited with any Action Picard with Starfleet Dune Buggy (tm) style stuff
Captain Kargan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:02:44 EST KnfWwin5 No.68022 Reply
This isn't prime timeline Trek.

>People thinking this is real Star Trek just because Fake Picard is in it
Christopher Pike - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:04:59 EST rEAaDhbY No.68023 Reply
At this point I'm actively rooting against this or anything that will prolong Star Trek. Trek died, and the people making these shows are raping a corpse. And corpse rape is not something that gets prettier the longer it goes on. If Discovery offended your senses, Picard is going to scar you psychologically. Then Lower Decks will be there to laugh at you while you're standing mouth agape with tears welled up in your eyes.
Captain Kargan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:00:56 EST KnfWwin5 No.68025 Reply

Also that "fans" make the worst shit ever when it comes to anything. Ever.
Mordoc - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:29:09 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68036 Reply
I'm still gonna wait, because quite frankly, this reaction is almost a perfect reflection of the old school fans to TNG.
Dr. Denara Pel - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:49:34 EST v/mIhHdg No.68039 Reply
implying you were alive when the boomers reacted to TNG way back in the fucking 80s and aren't just repeating the same tired verbatim line shills use to shut down any criticism of new product
Prinadora - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:49:11 EST UmVuooCU No.68043 Reply
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People said the same thing on here before Discovery. You'll learn.
Admiral Cartwright - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:22:17 EST TvCu3gPQ No.68044 Reply
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I want it to be good but this trailer...

>BWOM style soundtrack
>hood wearing mystery person on the run trope
>Picard watching action woman kick ass
>accentuated punchy sound whenever something fades to black
>The ship at @1:18 looks more like The Expanse than Star Trek
>Picard almost feels like a background character
>the need for Seven of Nine to say "hell" instead of just making her dialogue more organic (I'm knitpicking here but come on)
>nostalgia bait

yeah this is just an action movie that's trying to use nostalgia to sell a product. I'm not sure this is going to be good, but I'm going to pirate it and watch the first episode anyway.
Thomas Riker - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:34:43 EST VJrL+BwN No.68045 Reply
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On the dvd they described the buggy as bait to get Stewart to do the movie. The more important, and unspoken, point is that Stewart didn't object for the obvious reason that it didn't fit the character. He'll sign on to shitty writing if they dangle a cheap lure in his face.

I broke down and watched the trailer. It was less disappointing than I thought it would be but don't mistake that for praise. My only happy-ish moment was seeing Jeri Ryan but that's because she seems like such a sweet person in her con appearances and not because of any Seven nostalgia. I got sick of her character when Voyager aired because she headlined every episode after joining and they wouldn't stop pounding the Her Humanity drum in our faces.

Other than that it looks like typical Kurtzman schlock. One mystery person, fate of EVERYTHING hangs on her, running, jumping, punching in a show about a geriatric retiree who won't retire. Even the fucking hood - she's Into Darkness' Khan all over again. 5 space bucks says her reveal is as flat as Khan's was.

So the show prediction: a series of action set pieces with pseudo-dramatic connective tissue propped up by shallow dialogue and deepities where dialogue sounds meaningful but none of it is earned. We will be told that characters are special and have special bonds and relationships with each other but we will be shown none of it. Characters who are supposed to be close friends and partners will talk to and treat each other like strangers at a baseball game. And then something will explode. Just like every other piece of shit Kurtzman has written. Just like NuTrek. Just like Discovery.

There's only been one chef in the kitchen this whole time and every meal he's served for the last ten years has been undercooked fish. Why the fuck would anyone expect the next one to suddenly switch to steak?
Nanpart Malor - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:53:16 EST pyyl83GW No.68051 Reply
Wouldn't all the time lines with Picard in the Nexus connect in some way and become the same type of state? So much time, you are doing everything.
So there could be a connection there to the prime timeline, also some have said he's still in the Nexus, maybe the whole Kelvin Timeline is a REM type of state in the Nexus.
Weyoun 4 - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:10:26 EST DOoKqsq1 No.68055 Reply
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Oh man you don't understand how damned pumped I am for The Devil Wears Prada sequel.
Nanpart Malor - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:03:53 EST pyyl83GW No.68056 Reply
Thinking about it today, saying Picard did what the other Picard in Prime time line did move for move until Nemesis, would very improbable.
The new Kirk probably wouldn't have been near the Nexus to save those people in Generations in this timeline, so Picard wouldn't have seen him in the Nexus, so that shifts everything.
Benjamin Sisko - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:59:08 EST CwjG77QL No.68057 Reply
I’m really confused. If it’s good can I like it? Will it be good?
Liquidator Brunt - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 03:31:36 EST DPYhmCXF No.68059 Reply
As long as it manages to be at least as good as DSC S2, then that'll at least put it above ENT, TNG S1, at least a quarter of VOY, and 7 of the movies, so I'll probably have fun.
Captain Solok - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 03:36:24 EST u/WkmZ1S No.68060 Reply
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It looks grim and melodramatic like STD but damned if all the nostalgia pandering isn't blinding my critical eye. I remain incredibly cautiously optimistic.
Phlox - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:14:58 EST u5aj/dMK No.68066 Reply

And modern sci-fi trailer?


I fucking hate dubstep
Kor - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:50:39 EST jwjJ078M No.68068 Reply
I'm one of those who dislikes the heavier relationship/soap opera direction S2 went in but I'd still not necessarily describe it as a bad season. 50% good, 50% relationship crap is still watchable. I do worry that it's going to slide further and further into that though.
Biddle Coleridge - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:53:01 EST DPYhmCXF No.68070 Reply
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And it was still better than all of those things.

ENT is the barest quality threshold of what I can tolerate and DSC S2 at least managed to pass that bar. DSC S1, however, absolutely did not.
Kathryn Janeway - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:47:20 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68079 Reply
OK, I watched the trailer. So here's my take-away from it as the massive naysayer I am:

>Space magic bitch
Yeah, I'll get this out of the way right quick: I fucking hate this. This is the sort of trope I wouldn't even expect from furry erotica, let alone a serious science fiction series following up what is legit the most legendary, influential science fiction series of all time. It's cheesy as all get-out, it's clearly meant to stoke some father/grandfather vibe with Picard, it's got all this shit where there entire relationship is implied to be this destiny type thing. I fucking hate it. She isn't a very distinctive character, either. Also, the fighting. Is this going to be another knockoff Summer? Because we already had Summer.

Stewart is a good actor. He's acting his age in this trailer, which is pretty refreshing. America is so obsessed with teen and tween characters that I'm honestly feeling kind of positive about the fact that they're making a mainstream show that stars a geriatric man.

>The crew
They look like garbage. I have no idea what their roles are, except for the dude with the sword. I'm guessing he cuts people. Vulcans is apparently as alien as it gets, which is disappointing. The Vulcans look weird, too. Also, I saw one face briefly that seems to approach Picard in age. The rest are the usual teeny-boppers. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was honestly expecting a more diverse crew. But mileage with that word may vary, I guess.

Terrible, frankly. They seem to have gone for a Discovery type look, maybe some JJTrek in there, and I don't like it. It looks like generic science fiction. I'm seeing a generic space ship, a generic space prison, some admittedly comfy interior spaces, and a generic space building. It's most disappointing for the ship, which needs a clear identity. This also extends to the wardrobe, which is the typical "tattered and faded" look that seems in for science fiction wardrobes these days. The Feds are optimistic, futuristic fuddy-duddies. Why the fuck are they dressing like every other dark sci-fi crew since the turn of the century?

Kinda nice to see her, actually. Jeri Ryan is a good actress, so it's a guarantee she'll be entertaining to watch when she's on-screen. Provides a bit more of a callback to old Trek than just Picard.

Overall I'm still not very hopeful. This comes from the same media tradition that has given us nothing but crap since 2009. The same assholes that will insinuate you're an awful human being for not being positively excited about the slop they serve. With JJTrek and Discovery it was a given that there was no soul behind the product. With this, there's a small chance there may be a bit of soul in it, by virtue of its background. But that's probably still going to be closer to JJTrek 3 than anything else. As in, decent for what it is, but crap in relation to anything that makes an earnest effort.

We'll see. But years of stuff I love being butchered and sold in the sweltering, stinking shop of modern media, flies buzzing everywhere, and the butcher angrily waving his cleaver around if you question the quality of his cuts... well, it's made me weary of even stepping into the goddamn place. If I have to choose between vegetarianism and putrid meat, it's still going to be vegetarianism.
Legate Hovat - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 00:11:52 EST bOlOhkyn No.68085 Reply
at this point it's a little optimistic to assume the people making trek know the difference
Ambassador K'Ehleyr - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 02:21:55 EST W/XmU5SC No.68086 Reply
Looks like more Discovery fucking bullshit. Disappointing; I had a glimmer of hope. Oh well.
Phlox - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:41:43 EST 3nXP05sM No.68105 Reply
Anything involving that pussy lipped hack fuck Alex Kutzman is destined for abject failure.

Patrick Stewart has no fucking conception of what Star Trek is, he's an actor, not a writer.

Michael Piller and Rick Berman aren't involved with Star Trek anymore. They were the heralds of Genes vision. Guess what- they haven't been involved with Star Trek since ENT.

I'm with the RLM guys on this one, it looks like Picard has been dropped into fucking STD.
Legate Porania - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:07:03 EST A7ntZ/oH No.68106 Reply
>I'm with the RLM guys on this one...

before reading this line I was going to accuse you of being Rich Evans
David Marcus - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:24:54 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68107 Reply
>Michael Piller and Rick Berman aren't involved with Star Trek anymore. They were the heralds of Genes vision

HAHAHAHAHAH Rick Berman was a dumb suit that burnt Voy and Ent to the ground with his (lack of) writing talent.
Phlox - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:25:46 EST 3nXP05sM No.68109 Reply
Rick Berman wasn't a writer but I take your point. Second, there was a lot working against VOY and ENT in my opinion aside from the writing.
Lorian - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:44:04 EST 8ORYHLv/ No.68110 Reply
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I haven't seen any STD save for a few youtube clips, but Picard MIGHT be good. I can't believe some trekkers are already shitting on this show before it's out yet.
Michael Sullivan - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:04:43 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68112 Reply
At this point I'm really fucking tired of this "but wait" shit. None of it has been good, OK? Not JJTrek, not Discovery. And it was all the same shit with that, too.

>no, no, just give it a chance bro, you can't know it's bad

And I've seen it dozens of times with other reboots. That and people picking the few good bits out of the shit and presenting it as a reason to watch it.

But over the years you build up certain expectations. And the expectations that all the various reboots have built up is that it's only about brand recognition. You present something most people have heard of, fewer have seen, and fewer still actually appreciate on a deep level. That last, tiny group doesn't really matter for marketing purposes. The brand is already big, so it doesn't need to be daring or novel to reach the same level of cult appeal that the original incarnations of it had.

You're looking at a design by committee corporate product and expecting the driven, daring product who's face it's wearing. It's just not going to happen. There may be glimmers here and there, you might be moved by Stewart's voice and acting ability on occasion. But the very nature of what it is will prevent it from being the thing you want it to be.

Go take a look at the Star Trek Plebbit. The reactions to the trailer read 100% like satire. Professions of screaming or crying like little girls, wonky fan theory just for the sake of it, obsessive picking at minute details, zero discussion of character motivation. That's the audience this is intended for.

At this point I know what a trailer like this spells out. You have no idea how I'm hoping that I'm dead wrong. I want my good, new Trek show, OK? But truth be told, I let it go 10 years ago, after the first JJTrek. At first, I thought it was good. I let myself be packed in by the shitty references, and the hope for more, better NuTrak. But then, months after having watched the movie, I realized one thing: I never think about it. I watched it, I went home, and that was that. But OG Trek never let me go. Its themes stayed relevant over the years, and I kept thinking about them.

Star Trek might legit have been some of the best stuff on television ever. It's a given that this was magic that was going to be lost at some point. And it's not going to be recaptured by just slapping the name on something new. That's OK, but you'll forgive me for not baying like a dog at that name just because it exists.
Badar N'D'D - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:27:28 EST Jk1V1UNV No.68113 Reply
Just heard they're doing a Star Trek: The Same Generation As The Last Time show and I am stoked. I love picard and data and worf. Everyone else not so much, especially dianna, but whatevs I'll totally watch this shit in ten years when it trickles onto the platforms I already pay for.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 01:55:09 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68117 Reply
>Rick Berman wasn't a writer

Yet he did it all the time on Ent.
Dejar - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:23:48 EST UZjTnNM5 No.68119 Reply
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okay i understand, but
there's always a but
but, what else do we do?
Dexter Remmick - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:57:16 EST bOlOhkyn No.68122 Reply
Gerry Anderson did some cool spaceship shows.
Also I've found that watching Japanese dubs of Trek on nico is fun if you're into weeb shit.
Major Rakal - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:25:05 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68126 Reply
my friend was telling me that japanese people who are into western cartoons fiercely debate whether it's better to watch king of the hill with subs or dubs
Kang - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:58:59 EST u5aj/dMK No.68132 Reply
I've heard of such arguments when My Little Pony FiM made it over there official with a dub. For a while Japanese needs were subbing it themselves.
Erika Benteen - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 23:32:14 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.68135 Reply
On the other side of this I am American and like animation and some anime but it has to be dubbed for me because I only really watch that stuff when I'm too fucked up to read the subs. I know that makes me a pleb but whatever.

Also hard to find dubbed content of the kinds of anime I like.
B'Elanna Torres - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:49:28 EST PcDP9Mvl No.68168 Reply
I just want it to not suck. I don't care about continuity any more.
Leeta - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 08:34:48 EST FHciLmhn No.68169 Reply
>I don't care about continuity any more.

then why bother with star trek? there are other shows. is the brand name that important to you?
Porthos - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:41:57 EST bOlOhkyn No.68175 Reply
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I value respecting the existing setting but I'm not super assblasted if they ignore the historical documents in pursuit of a good story
obviously it's all shades of gray and personal taste but I could handle, say, ignoring that Horta that was on the 1701 between movies 2 and 3 more than rewriting Diana Troy's love of chocolate
Lupaza - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 00:25:32 EST mBJuF85r No.68176 Reply

Axanar was decent, if they had been offered a contract instead of a cease and desist then Trek would be so much better off.
Koss - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:13:41 EST BcO6Q4Vv No.68179 Reply
Porthos understands.

Star Trek isn't about the continuity. It's bigger than a bunch of historical wank and subjective narratives. It's about a vision of the future. About examining the human condition in a way that a lot of media doesn't. It looks at the best we can be rather than just how far we can fall. It gives us something aspirational and hopeful.

Also yes it has an identity beyond this in it's universe, where it's genrefluid. It has it's tropes and familiar chords it rings.

Details like why the D wasn't tested enough to avoid needing extra EPS conductor routing or whatever aren't what makes it though. It's that feel, those values, that outlook. The loss of trek is because of edgy might is right, everyone is a shithead grimderp, spider piss puddle deep bullshit, not because the bridge's interface is too advanced.
Gaila - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:02:55 EST GdVOBSYt No.68181 Reply
It's going to suck and disrespect canon. Quislings are the worst. Move on and stop letting them do this.
Talok - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 17:33:06 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68186 Reply
This stuff about continuity is a red herring. Very few people except for the most enthusiastic of nerds over whose heads flew many of the actual points Trek was trying to make ever put much stock in continuity as a holy value.

HOWEVER. Adherence to continuity, or rather the lack of adherence, is also a bit of a litmus test. You'd expect people who care about a fictional universe to actually know stuff about it. When someone said "Hey, the Trill are kind of a cool idea if you take it beyond this basic Invasion of the Body Snatchers thing" nobody complained they were actually supposed to work differently. But when you say "we're essentially just making our own, original show and telling you it's canon. If you don't like it you just hate new things" that's a pretty clear excuse to just do whatever.
General K'Trelan - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 09:46:05 EST vhZHKGf5 No.68190 Reply
>Very few people except for the most enthusiastic of nerds

AKA the people who would actually pay for CBS All Access just for Trek.

It's funny you use the term "nerd" though. It's emblematic of the hijacking of nerd culture by morons. Nerd culture, all the comics and sci-fi stuff everybody's always beena fan of now, used to be strictly for nerds. The first prerequesite for being a nerd is being smart. Enjoying nerd stuff and not being smart just makes you a loser.

So now everybody's a fucking loser and loving it. Star Trek, both the brand and canon, is broken. Most of you acknowledge that about one or the other if not both. Yet here some of you are salivating at the prospect of receiving broken goods. Watching classic, canonical Trek inspired me to aim higher.

I'd rather keep the ideals, aspirations, and yes, canon, of Star Trek in tact in my head and heart than to pirate a show, complain about it how horrible it is, and then line up for another show from the same fucking people. The fact that millions of people anticipate, accept, and defend pure shit when they should know better is an example of why humanity's never getting anywhere close to a Star Trek-like future. Use your brains, you losers.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:46:18 EST KA3qn+7B No.68200 Reply
>The fact that millions of people anticipate, accept, and defend pure shit when they should know better is an example of why humanity's never getting anywhere close to a Star Trek-like future. Use your brains, you losers.
Don't let it bother you. Yes I love Star Trek but I'm betting everything on a cyberpunk dystopia. Nothing is sacred. Trek died when they announced a million simultaneous series that are nothing more than re-animated corpses of the franchis for profit. Congratulations CBS, you spit in the face of Grand Nagus Nog.
Corporal Chang - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 18:30:45 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68204 Reply
> I'm betting everything on a cyberpunk dystopia.

that's like betting on the outcome of a superbowl that happened 5 years ago
Krem - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 22:01:57 EST Fl6IM0Ha No.68219 Reply
Why the fuck does Data look like a potato now? Did they not have the budget to make him look decent?
Guinan - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 03:56:31 EST b048m/L8 No.68228 Reply
anyone know the exchange rate for bars of latinum and quatloos
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:53:27 EST bOlOhkyn No.68235 Reply
>putting your money in the quatloo
hahaha holy shit get a load of this fucking lobelet
Broca - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:55:14 EST pyyl83GW No.68241 Reply
Wouldn't they buy out all the latinum then slow release it for maximum demand to profits? Who's controlling it? The price inflation just wouldn't work from people.
Joseph Sisko - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 20:00:03 EST jwjJ078M No.68243 Reply
Because he logically shouldn't age. If they did the smart thing and just retconned his death they could claim he looked older because he'd decided to experience ageing/the humanoid life stage of being old and that'd be entirely in line with his character but that won't be an option if, as seems likely, the plot of an early episode will be bringing him back to life/getting B4 to go full data.
Leonard McCoy - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:08:34 EST 6uu76beq No.68249 Reply
Data: "Uhhhh Dr. Soong programmed my skin... to uh loosen Captain. And to retain that paste that lubricates my biofunctions. I am retaining android paste Captain."
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:42:53 EST cbMfxU/F No.68253 Reply
Come to think of it didn't Data add some grey to his hair in All Good Things? That's precedent.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:15:41 EST sfRQZ8/B No.68260 Reply
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Looking at it more closely he's just coloured a section of it grey but maybe that's just his android-enthusiasm understanding of the situation.
Dr. Antaak - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:16:52 EST CitRjbcP No.68261 Reply
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>That's precedent

Because there are no other ways to change hair color except through aging, right?

Data's a potato because Brent Spiner is 70. Picard is clearly going to be shit, no need to dig out the kernels.
Leeta - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:20:14 EST yLFBT7xS No.68262 Reply
>Because he logically shouldn't age.

They explain this in a throwaway line in TNG: S7E9 - Inheritance while they're examining the android of Juliana Soong, and Geordi says:
>It's part of her aging program. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:21:50 EST sfRQZ8/B No.68263 Reply
Given the context Data was probably doing it too look more scholarly than anything else but that's really just about looking old gracefully. It's more what >>68186 was saying about how if they knew the first thing about the proper shows they'd be able to look at them and see there's something there to work with.
Gilora Rejal - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 00:27:55 EST sfRQZ8/B No.68264 Reply
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>It's part of her aging program. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.
Didn't remember that or even think to check the episode: I assumed since she was designed to age and die, all without realising she was an android that her situation would be totally different but Geordi saying it outright with an off-hand line solves the issue entirely. Of course that does bring up the question of what data would look like ~1,000 years later, if he lived that long. Does he keep ageing forever? Even if he stopped visually ageing at the limit of human lifespan Data looking like old Bones for the rest of his theoretically infinite lifespan seems like a bit of a design flaw. Perhaps Soong designed in a cap on what age he'd look like or gave data the ability to control it after a point and it's one of those things that 'unlocks' after a certain amount of personal growth like the ability to dream did.
Guinan - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:32:17 EST S0Gs4xAT No.68272 Reply
So I'd like to weigh in on the Data's aging thing.. from my understanding Brent Spiner thought it was outlandishly retarded to have an android age, but the writers put it in there because they had no idea what kind of run TNG would truly have and wanted to be ready. Mentions of android aging all happen late in the series, probably because they hoped to get a few movies.. which they did.

In the Picard show, I'd imagine Datas appearance is a sort of compromise between these two schools of thought.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:34:33 EST udrxi7fH No.68273 Reply
If he can control his hair, he might as well be able to control his age appearance.
Guinan - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:58:37 EST S0Gs4xAT No.68274 Reply
Honestly he should be able to.. but I know I've read some interviews with Brent Spiner, I think specifically regarding Nemesis where he says something along the lines of he knew he'd have to give up playing Data at some point because he'd look too old and the audience wouldnt buy it. I'm willing to bet that getting Brent Spiner back required appeasing him on this issue.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 13:20:07 EST udrxi7fH No.68277 Reply
I remember that and you're probably right.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 14:46:27 EST cbMfxU/F No.68284 Reply
He also no doubt got sick of being known for only a single role. Say what you will about Shatner but he's probably the only big role Trek actor to have never turned on his character to then to a 180 years later realising that was his career peak. Even Partrick Stewart tried to push for action Picard which is the same sort of thing. Yes yes, get a life etc, but that was partly his weird sense of humour and partly dealing with actual autists.
Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 16:57:25 EST ZON5PC7z No.68288 Reply
He waited long enough.

They can young him up now. With the right makeup look it could be covered up better than most cases.
Nurse Jabara - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:12:29 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68291 Reply
Stewart sadly was denied the chance in a way too (besides X-Men)
He wanted to do a Transmetropolitan film adaption but TPTB didn't allow it.
KC Hunter - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:42:51 EST yLFBT7xS No.68302 Reply
Yeah, we now have the filmmaking technology to make Data young forever.
Just look at all the examples of de-aged actors in movies over the past few years.
Young Michael Douglas, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Kurt Russell in the Marvel films.
Young Arnold in that last Terminator movie.
Young Will Smith in that new Ang Lee movie.
Make Data Young Again.
Guinan - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:39:28 EST b048m/L8 No.68321 Reply
For real
All throughout the late 90s, people just wouldn't SHUT UP about making Data young again
Arik Soong - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 02:07:34 EST fAB9FYmd No.68449 Reply
Ya'll are too hard on Discovery and Picard. It's a TV show, fucking loosen up and live a little. Discovery is better than Enterprise. I am enjoying it and I am looking forward to Picard.

Also, TNG is the gold standard and nothing else fucking comes close, you bitches.
Krem - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 03:23:00 EST tBQ5aDMD No.68450 Reply
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you really are an idiot arent you ahahaha

star trek is dead. it died with roddenberry. his inertia was so great ds9 voy and ent were legit trek but 2009's """"Star Trek"""" sealed the fucking deal trek is DEAD and never coming back, now we must carry on the knowledge of a real utopia in space
Katherine Pulaski - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 04:03:13 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68451 Reply
Why can't shills ever form an argument that isn't composed of insults?
Vash - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 04:56:09 EST bOlOhkyn No.68453 Reply
if anything we're probably not hard enough on STD, but really getting in-depth about bitching would mean having to actually watch that shit lol
Katherine Pulaski - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:41:53 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68454 Reply
Frankly, there's not a lot to talk about. Discovery is generic as fuck.
Noah Lessing - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:05:47 EST WLJtCX4q No.68466 Reply
The whole red angel plot was extremely nonsensical. The big budget special effects, among other things (like muh nostalgia,) were used to cover up this fact. I have no reason to believe Picard will be any different.

The only episode I actually liked was the filler episode where they went down to the old timey church. Also I only say it's filler because it's not clear at all why the red angel brought the people living there to the planet or led Discovery there.
Gaila - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 13:20:58 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68486 Reply
I bet Kurtzman was like: Time Travel predestination paradoxes worked on some real trek episodes, why not make one that goes for the entire season?
Or it was not even that, may have been just random stuff thrown in there and simply cap it off with a pred. paradox for asspull reasons.
Anybody remember the ending of Fringe? That was exactly like this!
Ensign Hogan - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:04:19 EST bOlOhkyn No.68487 Reply
>I bet Kurtzman was like: where's the blow and child whores? oh okay there's some trek shit we have to make some intern finish that shit and get me a child whore and blow
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:09:04 EST CZACO6Ft No.68490 Reply
Y i k e s
Major Rakal - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 06:43:35 EST fhOpgdra No.68502 Reply
love pat stew but it's gonna be bad
Private S Money - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 21:40:19 EST byRgzBbN No.68548 Reply
so is this confirmed? is it out? someone give me the facts, i am too scared and depressed to research this myself
Prophet - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 22:44:50 EST dpyfhy68 No.68549 Reply
It's coming soon. It looks like shit, and you're right to remain in the dark about it.
Christopher Brynner - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 20:10:14 EST 430VlhYu No.68792 Reply
Look at the channel? UK

No CBS All access in UK

In addition, Discovery was on Netflix UK (use a VPN) so Picard will be too. Don't fucking pay for public television.
Dexter Remmick - Sun, 06 Oct 2019 11:49:47 EST +AC++ym6 No.68799 Reply
>Why is this a Amazon show?

best response
Mestral - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 02:55:35 EST wD28Px4R No.68895 Reply
I like 7 of 9 but why is she in a show about PICARD?
Guinan - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:45:15 EST b048m/L8 No.68905 Reply
She and Picard probably fugg cause they're both still like 15% borg components
aww yeeeeee that's what I'm talkin bout
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:24:44 EST KA3qn+7B No.68909 Reply
They were both in starfleet. Why not?
DS9 was better with Worf.
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:47:42 EST bOlOhkyn No.68914 Reply
it's some manner of Borg crap so it's a good excuse for a popular character
realistically if gratuitous 7 of 9 is the worst thing it does it'll be a miracle
Stonn - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:41:02 EST z+EotTKk No.69390 Reply
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Spoilers for the new show have popped up on /tv/. Seems there was a premier or something.

https://boards.the futurenel.org/tv/thread/127676555/picard-spoilers

>This is all gathered from forum posts and tweets from influencers at the premiere last night. It's all true, apparently. The first three episodes are Picard assembling the crew and getting off Earth to find Maddox and Dahj 2.

>There's also an EMH character, played by the same actor as the new ship's captain, but with a British accent and a similar personality to the Andy Dick EMH
Guinan - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 10:55:16 EST qj4/X4Vf No.69391 Reply
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After reading these alleged spoilers I actually have hope that this could actually be Star Trek
Hugh - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:40:46 EST bOlOhkyn No.69392 Reply
>in response to the Romulan supernova, Picard petitions Starfleet to build a rescue armada to save the 900+ million Romulans in its path
>Starfleet agree and building 10,000 ships is underway at Utopia Planatia
>At this time, Starfleet is also replicating Soong type androids. These rise up and attack Utopia Planatia, destroying the armada. It never leaves.
>Starfleet just kind of gives up and Picard asks to continue the mission and they say no. The supernova happens anyway and Spock's backup plan fails. Picard resigns over this.
>Flash forward to today, Dahj comes to Picard for help.
>Dahj is a an organic human body with a positronic brain. She was created by Bruce Maddox, as a compromise since Starfleet banned synthetic research after the attack.
>Dahj is killed in the first episode but she has a twin currently pretending to be a scientist on board the borg cube.
>The cube is being run by Romulans as they try to salvage and analyse Borg tech, and rehabilitate drones.
>First three episodes take place on Earth. No Starfleet ships, space battles etc.
>No 7of9 in first three eps.
>Hugh is working with the Romulans on the borg cube. He's been deborgified.
Dr. Reyga - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:50:56 EST GTNAX5e/ No.69394 Reply
Is that....

A carpeted outdoor staircase? WTF Paramount?
Cmdr. Peter Harkins - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 20:27:22 EST bOlOhkyn No.69395 Reply
iirc there's carpeting that can stand up to some amounts of rain
Guinan - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 01:25:02 EST b048m/L8 No.69398 Reply
It's that thick, industrial carpeting.
It's so cheap no one cares if it gets ruined, but it's so thick that it doesn't soak up much water.
Shit's quality. Low quality, that is.
Major Rakal - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 02:31:04 EST bOlOhkyn No.69399 Reply
Carpeting Replacement is how they fuck over Shatner on Trek V net residuals
Kang - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:01:22 EST crk2mA1n No.69404 Reply
Here's a question vis-a-vis the New Picard series.

What WON'T they fuck up?

That's a no bullshit question btw.
Guinan - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:29:05 EST b048m/L8 No.69405 Reply
well it's the first time since the 90s we've gotten a series that wasn't a fucking prequel. I'd say for a show about the future, actually setting it in the future is a good start. So at least there's that.
Kang - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:14:31 EST crk2mA1n No.69406 Reply
That's actually a solid observation one which I didn't get since the trailer looked literally like picard dropped into STD.

So good call there.

To that point- will any of the technology seen here be contiguous with the TNG era?

Example: Upgraded teleporters... or stuff like that...
Gul Ranor - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:45:17 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.69407 Reply
Lmao do you honestly not expect them to fuck up everything
I have zerohope for the show being anytbing otner than trash scifi action shlock
Guinan - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:38:47 EST HBtUnfAG No.69408 Reply
Well, if they fuck this one up I'm probably spent on goodwill towards star trek, but yes, I do have a glimmer of hope that it could possible be star trek... something we have been starved for since 2003 or some such. The only thing that's scratched the itch has been Orville. The way I see it, Picard is the last stand for the entire franchise. Do or die. And I'm quite sure I'm not the o ly trekkie that feels that way.
Deanna Troi - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 00:01:58 EST mxPDWuku No.69409 Reply
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TNG went out on the low note that was Nemesis. I haven't seen STD, but this can't be that much worse and if it is you never have to talk or think about it. Nemesis is proof of that. Or you can be some kind of screeching enthusiastic permavirgin. It's up to ya'll really.
Hugh - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 02:42:31 EST xnJmmyMM No.69410 Reply
>just ignore it if you don't like it
That's a dumb argument. If they want to make a piece of media without people complaining they should have made their own setting not tried to tie it into the goodwill attached to Trek.
Hugh - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 02:45:46 EST xnJmmyMM No.69411 Reply
>well it's the first time since the 90s we've gotten a series that wasn't a fucking prequel.
Often nowadays even sequels are really functionally the same as prequels where they're nostalgiabait: rehasing the same plot as earlier and throwing in tons of ''''subtle'''' references and cameos from the originals. Look at the new Star Wars films, or GTA:V for examples of this. I don't count lazily relying on the past greatness of others as a real sequel.
Deanna Troi - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 04:07:19 EST mxPDWuku No.69412 Reply
I've spent the last 20 years pretending that half of the TNG movies didn't happen. If you want to willfully invest yourself in something that you don't like, I disagree with your mongoloid ways but I will defend to the death your right to be retarded.
James T Kirk - Mon, 20 Jan 2020 01:03:39 EST 5JbUjm26 No.69413 Reply
Data was built with the ability to change his appearance and even grow hair, there is no reason he shouldn't be old at some point.
Vash - Tue, 21 Jan 2020 08:40:00 EST qOaooFbn No.69414 Reply
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Hitting the nail on the head.

*Rise of the 'bleakquel': your favourite heroes are back – and more miserable than ever*

*From Skywalker to Picard, a host of famous names are coming out of retirement for gloomy final missions. Can’t we let them lie?*


>Picard is back in a new big-budget Trek series called, well, Picard, and it transpires Jean-Luc’s dotage wasn’t quite as relaxing as we hoped. “I was haunted by my past,” Stewart intones solemnly in a trailer, “but now I have a mission.” The Federation of Planets, whose values of honour and equality Picard has spent a lifetime upholding, has apparently taken an alarming turn for the Brexit, and our erstwhile captain is wrenched from well-earned retirement into a gritty, sweary, violent new Trek universe. It all looks to be a rather serious affair. And while it’s goose-pimplingly lovely seeing Sir Pat back in the Starfleet-issue spandex that made him Forbidden Planet royalty, it’s a joy tempered with betrayal, because it means Nemesis’s ending – the one the character and audience both deserved – has been effectively nullified. There are no conclusive happily-ever-afters for our beloved heroes of sci-fi and fantasy. Welcome to the era of the “bleakquel”.
T'Pau - Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:55:00 EST BnrdIjvE No.69415 Reply
The guardian bless em. They're good at being right about most things but they're always late to the party. It's just an extension of the miserable reboot thing. Because misery is in and fuck new ideas.
Private W Woods - Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:55:48 EST bOlOhkyn No.69416 Reply
I think it worked in Logan's case, but yeah I get the drift.
Guinan - Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:49:57 EST b048m/L8 No.69417 Reply
Hey you really oughta watch a little discovery if you really think 'it can't be THAT bad'
Honestly if you think Nemesis was bad in any way shape or form.. oh boy. Compared to the new shit, Nemesis was an Oscar-worthy Tour-de-Force that redefined all cinema.

Discovery REALLY IS that bad
Major Rakal - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:29:13 EST G6Uvl7yy No.69424 Reply
I'm gonna watch it tonight with my roommate, but to anyone who's already watched it, is it good? No spoilers please.
G'Quan - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:09:20 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.69425 Reply
Anyone need an up of the premiere?
Rekelen - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:43:38 EST +rH75dmy No.69427 Reply
Just to expand on the point I was making with >>69426. It doesn't "feel" like Trek in the comfy sense of the word, but neither does most of TOS or almost all of ENT or even any of DISCOTREK.

Picard still feels like Picard. Even as an old man living with Irish Romulans in France it's still most definitely him and not just some guy played by the same actor. It's more "modern" but only in the sense that it would have to be considering much of the TNG-era literally exists now (tablets, stylistic differences between how TV was made in the 80s/early 90s vs now etc). I'm not done with it yet.
Weyoun 5 - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:49:24 EST JzdD2WFD No.69428 Reply
Except that fucking once again they insist on making this an action series for some fucking reason.


This show should be called Measure of a Man II: Maddox Revenge. Or like... The Wrath Of Maddox. Fucking stupid.
Rekelen - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:56:41 EST +rH75dmy No.69429 Reply
Its way less action-girly than STD. There's a level that I consider tolerable if only because expecting to go back to 1987 is unrealistic.
Morn - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 21:01:27 EST bOlOhkyn No.69430 Reply
>It doesn't "feel" like Trek in the comfy sense of the word, but neither does most of TOS
you have no honor
Weyoun 5 - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 21:07:47 EST JzdD2WFD No.69431 Reply
The fact that they insist on acknowledging shit trek 09 is awful enough since Alex Kurtzman is a Bad Robot HACK reject fuck face who insists on acknowledging that awfulness.
General K'Trelan - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:08:03 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69432 Reply
The best way to describe it is: meh
Guinan - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 00:41:40 EST eGFKIPGN No.69433 Reply
I think it will take a few episodes to really get a feel for the show.. but it wasnt painful to watch like STD

Ey by the way, what are we gonna call it? PIC? PKD? JLP?
Weyoun 7 - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 04:03:39 EST R3iAKvH7 No.69438 Reply
I went into Picard very skeptical, but I think that was a good first episode. I'm still skeptical about the rest of the series, so I will have to wait and see if it's any good. Honestly, I HOPE it's good, but I don't wanna get my hopes up either. Like what if the bar has been set low because of JJ Trek and Discovery? STD's shittiness was IMMEDIATE, and I still watched a few more episodes of it and couldn't take it. What if the first episode of Picard is just to draw people in, but the rest of the season sucks? Only time will tell, but please GOD I hope this isn't going to suck.
Worf - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:22:27 EST 0pfZBG+Y No.69442 Reply
I'm scared it will turn into a STD Section 31 style grimdark wankfest.
Michael Rostov - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:57:54 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.69444 Reply
Oh god this fucking shitshow is already out? I domt even want to want to watch because I want to be so critical it might ruin an otherwise decent show
its gunna be fucking trash though there's no doubt in my mind
Mestral - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 18:47:44 EST byRgzBbN No.69445 Reply

these are my exact thoughts. please someone tell us it's trash so i don't get any squashed hopes
Vic Fontaine - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 22:53:39 EST jK+BjYHd No.69450 Reply
I'm far more intrigued about this then STD, thats for damn sure.
Vedek Bareil - Sat, 25 Jan 2020 05:00:38 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.69454 Reply
Ugh 4minutes in amd this shkw is pure trash
Avoid at all costs this is an abomination
Guinan - Sat, 25 Jan 2020 10:50:56 EST b048m/L8 No.69458 Reply
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I just want to say that I've been thinking about it extensively and although I cant guarantee this series wont go to shit, the fact that it seems to be a series that's going to focus heavily on Measure of a Man and the consequences thereof. Rewatched that episode yesterday and they basically just told Maddox that he couldnt dissect Data until he was dead.

What trying to say is that I think we couldnt have much better of basic framework than following 3 of the most interesting TNG story threads, Data's story, Picard's and also apparently the Borg. Theres plenty of room for them to fuck it up , and maybe they will, but look at all the actors from classic trek that are coming out of the woodwork to star in this. In their eyes it's the real deal.

I think this COULD be the show we have been pining for since the end of Voyager. A continuation of the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline by going into the future instead of endless recursive prequels. I was satisfied enough with the first episode to say that I'm going to give this show a chance. I watched something like 6 or 7 episodes of STD before I finally gave up, and this single episode felt far more trek than all but maybe one episode of STD (the space whale timeloop one).

I have hope for this show, I really do. I know we've been burned many times but this may finally be what we've wanted. Unfortunately a single episode is too small a sample size to know for sure.
Eliminator Leck - Sat, 25 Jan 2020 18:58:13 EST D1r2KBSb No.69464 Reply
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Based on JJ Abrham's Star Trek rebooted timeline. Ewww... PASS.
Brok'tan - Sat, 25 Jan 2020 20:07:48 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69467 Reply
Anybody know why it's not 4k?
Gor - Sat, 25 Jan 2020 21:29:17 EST R3iAKvH7 No.69469 Reply
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I've been mulling it over for a few days, and I would like to get critical now after my first impression. That may include nitpicking, but I'm playing Devil's Advocate so I can weigh this out. Again, it's only the first episode, but here's what I noticed.

The very first scene is him playing cards with Data, who is obviously much fatter and older now. Caked in makeup, he looks very unnatural. Surprise, just a dream. A PTSD dream, mind you.

The dream is about the consequences of something that happened outside of the regular canon. I wasn't quite sure where this was even coming from until I looked it up and vaguely remembered the scene. Yep, the consequences of the JJ Abrams 2009 film are somehow relevant to TNG Picard. Remember Nimoy's Spock being from the future and warning JJ Kirk about a supernova that destroys Romulus? I honestly forgot all about that scene.

"Admiral Picard" (yes, he became Admiral which I honestly hate the idea of) gets a futuristic dateline "gotcha" interview where they promise not to talk about why he left Starfleet but of course they go there. Somehow during the events of the supernova and Romulus, the rescue efforts fail miserably. Synthetics/artificial lifeforms malfunction, rebel, and kill thousands on Mars.

This results in a ban on artificial lifeforms.

Starfleet didn't want to waste resources on the rescue mission for millions of Romulan lives, so Picard quits, saying they were a shell of their former self.

Romulans displaced so I guess he lets some stay with him at his vineyard where he's retired to, with a Pibull named NUMBA ONE.

That's all just the beginning of this episode. Gonna try to sum this quickly.

Random girl gets the Jason Bourne treatment and starts doing brazilian jiu jitsu John Wick type shit on a bunch of mysterious Romulans who are trying to murder her.

Come to find out she's a synth made of flesh and blood.

From the trailer we were thinking this is Picard's granddaughter or some shit but it's actually Data's daughter somehow. Yeah Data painted some picture that resembles this chick and from that Picard surmised that it was Data's daughter.

"Data always wanted a daughter" says Picard. Is this true? I don't recall, I thought that's why he gave Lal the decision for herself. Some people are saying this is a direct nod to Lal, but to me it's like we're forgetting about her. Data didn't always want a daughter, Data already HAD a daughter.

Sir Patrick Stewart needs a body double for the one running scene as he's only shown from behind, then they cut to him on the stairwell hunched over and panting from the front. Nitpicky but kind of funny.

the Romulan sprays Nickolodeon slime all over Data's daughter (hot) and she explodes, sending Picard's frail body flying. How he didn't die, I dunno, FUTURE MAGIC MEDICINE!

Turns out the synth has a twin and is with a bunch of Romulans on a Borg Cube vessel.

So uh yeah, I dunno about that after I mulled it over. I mean Picard ended up being more of his hopeful self toward the end of the episode here, so it did still feel like him. And I do like that we're finally in the "future" of Trek here. It was nice seeing earth in this setting, the Daystrom Institute, etc. But this plot, I'm not sure yet.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sun, 26 Jan 2020 01:42:18 EST /dl1Xk/6 No.69470 Reply
Because CBS and other television networks don’t support shows in 4K yet like Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and Amazon Prime do.
Cmdr. Williams - Sun, 26 Jan 2020 05:26:09 EST mez72/ZQ No.69471 Reply
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They have 4k OTA just not on streams. In 2020.
Chairman Koval - Sun, 26 Jan 2020 09:17:41 EST nvASB6Ze No.69473 Reply
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>Don’t tell Gene Roddenberry, but the future sucks – and that’s a good thing
>As with Star Trek: Discovery, the show’s latest risky spin-off, Star Trek: Picard, is mired in darkness. Here, in the bitter twilight of Jean Luc Picard’s professional life, the Federation is wrought with corruption and Picard wears an immovable, puzzled scowl. There’s no Worf proclaiming he is “not a merry man”, there’s no Data dressed up as Sherlock Holmes. There’s no Q. There’s just death, despair and a disgraced Federation admiral on a renegade quest for justice. Oh, and a dog called Number One.


I'm just gonna go and binge the Orville again.
Admiral William J Ross - Sun, 26 Jan 2020 10:36:13 EST bOlOhkyn No.69474 Reply
lol wired fag should just go kill himself if he's so fond of depression
Subcommander Almak - Mon, 27 Jan 2020 03:49:39 EST uoN3psB2 No.69479 Reply
>"A catsuit?! How provocative!" Picard's Sir Patrick Stewart on Jeri Ryan's Star Trek uniform.
Jeri is hilarious in this small interview, giggling all the way thru.

Oh, hey. Do you paranoid fags also have a spare Youtube, so no one clicks on videos either??
Tekeny Ghemor - Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:30:20 EST nvASB6Ze No.69480 Reply
I don't get why everything has to be grim and dark now, it's like we've had the 40Kification of every scifi medium. The Federation now has to be some currupt and murderous entity, rather than some feel good future.
Robert Wesley - Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:24:32 EST UsMfBS9V No.69483 Reply
4K streams are a gimmick anyway. If 4K looks better, as it does on Youtube, that's because it's a higher bit rate. The bit rate for all streaming services is a bit trash at best.
Guinan - Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:38:08 EST b048m/L8 No.69484 Reply
I think the idea is less out of paranoia and more out of social engineering, by denying revenue from a disagreeable source, (in this case the dual pleasures of advertising and selling any and all information they can glean), then you'll force that entity to either find revenue from another more reputable source or die.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 28 Jan 2020 02:48:21 EST CpPnhF3w No.69491 Reply
Agreed. Like I got a 4K TV but there’s no point in me paying extra for Netflix’s UHD plan unless I shared my account with three other people who want to watch at same time and also had 4K devices.
DaiMon Birta - Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:15:09 EST z+EotTKk No.69499 Reply
I don't click every yt link and the poster didn't do anything to identify it or set it up. Not my problem. Exciting, isn't it?
Composer Delvok - Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:22:32 EST uoN3psB2 No.69500 Reply
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I wouldn't mind if they "denied revenue" by choosing to not click on those links themselves. But it goes deeper than that. They are afraid that some sort of (((boogieman))) is out to get them, and the only way they can keep their sanity, is by engaging in lame group-think. That is why those paranoid NPCs keep "archiving" news articles and try to make others click on those copies instead. It's stupid.
Captain Blackwood - Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:25:57 EST bOlOhkyn No.69501 Reply
lol yeah I'm sure it's everybody else who's paranoid and not you
Jannar - Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:57:46 EST p5+cDpno No.69502 Reply
[/i]>the future sucks – and that’s a good thing
No, it is NOT[/i]

THIS IS CLEARLY A SETUP god damn you dumb.
Legate Hovat - Wed, 29 Jan 2020 07:01:27 EST 6C6kcMFd No.69504 Reply
The Guardian having a bold idea for once? Consider me surprised.
Michael Jonas - Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:48:26 EST BnrdIjvE No.69510 Reply
Nah they're still years behind what everyone else spotted. I mean despite how easy they are to mock they are one of the better news sources going being not a mouthpiece for a billionaire with nazi leanings.
Kor - Wed, 29 Jan 2020 23:06:32 EST uW0AXKA/ No.69513 Reply
Bruh, don't stream 4k.

You want high quality 4k shit, we're talking 40 gigabytes an hour or more, well beyond the bitrate of any streaming service around right now.
4K's only friend is the Bluray. and pirated images of the bluray Or film scans in the case of stuff like the Star Wars 4k77 project, which by the way is burning an 88 gigabyte hole in my storage array.
Kor - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 02:18:10 EST MjB4DAHq No.69514 Reply
this show sucked! It was just pointless like why should I give a fuck about anyone or anything, Patty Stewart is phoning it in, the new characters don't fit in and who's the bad guy? robots? the Federation? the romulans? the Borg? who the hell goddamn knows. this was a dumpster fire avoid at all costs
Gaila - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:12:36 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69516 Reply
Bruh, h265 or vp9 is about 2-3x as efficient as h264 which 4k bluray uses.
Also I don't have space for a 75 inch monstrosity which would be required to tell the difference between 15mbit h265 ( that's what amazon uses ) and 75mbit h264 of bluray.
Thy'lek Shran - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 12:43:55 EST z+EotTKk No.69517 Reply
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No, it's about 18%-30% more efficient but it has to compromise to get there. In order to get 4K content and its fuckton of pixels down to a streamable size HEVC applies a blur to complex areas of the frame. The switches for this (SAO and intra-smoothing) can be disabled but I don't know of any scene encoders who disable it. HEVC does a better job of preserving overall picture quality at lower bitrates compared to x264 but the differences vanish and then go to x264's favour at bitrates go up, especially if HEVC is still applying the blur.

Your demands as a viewer should decide what rip you download. As has been said if you want to get your money's worth out of your 4K tv then don't download 5GB movie rips. If someone dgaf then they should grab the smaller files but then why did they bother buying a 4K tv in the first place?
Gaila - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:19:56 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69518 Reply
Depends on the bit rate. If you encode a 15mbit h264 it will look about half as good.

I can see a noticeable difference between fullhd and 4k on my 55" that's good enough. As the other guy said it's probably the bit-rate difference in this case.
(If I wear a fresh pair of contacts that is)

But I can't see the difference between a bluray iso and a hvec rip which is equivalent to common streaming bitrate.
That's just me. I'm sure if you have better than 20/20 vision you can see it.

That said I realize that a 4K 55" is borderline if you want to be able to stretch your legs on the couch (I do)

All in all Picard on amazon doesn't look as good as The Expanse for instance, that's the main crux of the matter.
Senator Pardek - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:01:49 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.69519 Reply
Made it about 15 min into the new ep before I just got bored
Way to fuck it up again CBS
David Marcus - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:43:34 EST fFYwVams No.69521 Reply
Bruh, the copy of Star Wars burning an 88 gig hole in my hard drive IS H.265.
If you want to really preserve the original image including the noise and the grain it gets very expensive data-wise.

I'm not actually opposed to choosing the 4k stream, I do use them. But it's best to think of it as a 1080 stream with double the bitrate. Because honestly a good 4k stream looks like a regular ass HD bluray.(and that is very good)

But if we're pretending they actually make good use of 4k displays... that's an entirely different matter. And yes, depending on your viewing distance and display size, it might just be a non-issue.
There are a lot of 4k displays out there these days that really do not need to be 4k. My bro's 24 incher for a start.

>2-3x as efficient
Fuck no they ain't. 2x is really the top end under realistic ideal conditions, but even then the resolution is quadrupled, so the file size is still doubled, often more.

>15mbit h265
Knock yourself out, that's a very good stream. But you can totally tell the difference and probably even on a 1080 display.
Dr. Mora Pol - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:35:14 EST UsMfBS9V No.69522 Reply
I finally saw the pilot. It's free on Youtube if you're in the US or you have a VPN. I was right all along. It's okay for what it is, which is to say barely Star Trek. I'm going to pretend it never happened, just like Nemesis. I invite you to do the same.
Groundskeeper Boothby - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:54:20 EST /7t+prjj No.69523 Reply
Well Nemesis was the 2nd Best TNG movie so your opinion is already pretty fucked if you just ignore it. It's canon unlike Discovery.
Dr. Mora Pol - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:26:52 EST UsMfBS9V No.69524 Reply
Oh no, my opinion is fucked. Whatever shall I do, Master Treklord?
Private S Money - Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:46:46 EST joYQrrwx No.69525 Reply
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Gonna power through the rest of the series of course before I render a final judgement, but the first episode is heartbreakingly bad. Just a jumble of generic, played out story tropes, cobbled together with all the hallmarks of another bitter, ugly, violent, joyless, cynical, cash grab. Serialization has become a cancer, and Alex Kurtzman never understood what made Star Trek endearing.
Tallera - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:53:34 EST nvASB6Ze No.69526 Reply
Well, ten mins in and they've already pissed over established Romulan lore concerning AI.
Ezri Dax - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:05:17 EST LNOdPH0z No.69527 Reply

It was a dumb, simplistic reveal in service of establishing the dumb DOUBLE SECRET TAL'SHIAR, but I'm trying to think of specific instances in which the Romulans are indeed shown to use AI or cybernetics and I can't.
Tora Ziyal - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:15:22 EST eWRuzFxy No.69528 Reply
Genuinely enjoyed episode 2. There were things I didn't like but it's not worse than a random episode of TNG season 1 may have seemed to a TOS fan, Patrick Stewart carried that he can carry this. I literally had to force myself to finish Discovery Season 1 and I still don't like it, this is downright good by comparison.
Tokath - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:02:42 EST IStyieK6 No.69529 Reply
They got a backlash against Section31.

So they broke the glass on Romulan backup Section31
Tallera - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:15:40 EST nvASB6Ze No.69530 Reply
In some of the novels and comics the Romulans are shown to augment themselves with cybernetics and use robotic soldiers. And isn't their something about the TalShiar using AI spies in some TNG episode?
Lauren - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:22:52 EST D1r2KBSb No.69531 Reply
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>not worse than a random episode of TNG season 1 may have seemed to a TOS fan
It's called Star Trek but Picard hasn't even left the planet yet. That's a HARD FAIL.
Jaro Essa - Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:13:52 EST IStyieK6 No.69533 Reply
Yeah but it's all just the psychic projection of some orphan child alien.

If you miss the second bait and switch you'd get that impression.
Jean-Luc Picard - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:16:14 EST Fo5IjwcE No.69534 Reply
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Is it me or is the audio not mastered properly? I can't concentrate on the dialogue because of the constant dramatic background music!
Especially when that vulcan/romulan commodore was talking to that romulan lieutenant. Melodramatic much?
I'd like to see a scene with no music and good acting.
Guinan - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 10:23:46 EST +RCKVmKv No.69535 Reply
I kept falling asleep to the second episode. That's a great sign.
Jennifer Sisko - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 18:29:06 EST uoN3psB2 No.69537 Reply
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No argument, huh? Thought so too.

>I literally had to force myself to finish Discovery Season 1 and I still don't like it, this is downright good by comparison.
I agree. There was nothing I liked in STD. At least Picard has, well, Picard. And MAYBE something interesting cooking up, plot-wise. I just fear for the next episode, because rumour has it, that the tone changes after episode three? I also don't like the weird, constantly changing camera angles, or lens-flares appearing out of nowhere. But I guess without those, zoomers wouldn't consider this to be scifi... or something.

Still, I remain mostly positive. Even after the two F-bombs, LOL.
Arik Soong - Mon, 03 Feb 2020 01:57:59 EST n/ZYIJct No.69538 Reply
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>Even after the two F-bombs, LOL.

They're swearing the Picard show, too?!
Mot - Mon, 03 Feb 2020 04:17:59 EST nvASB6Ze No.69539 Reply
Yup, I found it rather uncomfortable. Swearing in star trek just feels weird.
Kira Meru - Mon, 03 Feb 2020 05:41:14 EST MUJ4M6tq No.69540 Reply
Picard said shit a couple of times in TNG. He said it in French though, but still.
The Traveler - Mon, 03 Feb 2020 17:09:33 EST 6Qfo1FkC No.69541 Reply
I'm calling it now: The "mind-breaking secret" that the Zhat Vash know is that the Romulans are actually all synths.
Admiral Patrick - Mon, 03 Feb 2020 17:10:23 EST eIrL+1K3 No.69542 Reply
I'm so tired of the TNG timeline
Captain Edward Jellico - Mon, 03 Feb 2020 17:52:02 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.69543 Reply
Good call, they're all the "flesh and blood synthetics" lol seriously what the fuck is that shit
Janice Rand - Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:24:35 EST CE8SaDYp No.69547 Reply
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That's like saying you're tired of the Gundam Universal Century timeline... the MAIN timeline. It's more likely you're tired of producers and writers not really understanding what makes Star Trek Star Trek.

At least in Gundam the stories are pretty much the same, green newtype pilot fish out of water thwarting Zionist factions. Good vs Evil in space. The newer ones are more Gray vs Grey or Lawful Neutrals vs Chaotic Neutrals.

But no Gundam series ignores the pre-established lore... like... if the Romulans had a Section 31 during DS9, they would have known Garek planned and killed Vreenak and immediately joined the Dominion...
Tavek - Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:48:38 EST bOlOhkyn No.69548 Reply
given that the last big animated UC work was Narrative that might not be the best example to cite
Janice Rand - Tue, 04 Feb 2020 10:15:55 EST CE8SaDYp No.69549 Reply
2010s Thunderbolt + Unicorn + Narrative
2020s Hathaway's Flash

Also UC Gundam has more screentime than the entirety of Star Trek.
Tavek - Tue, 04 Feb 2020 12:44:54 EST bOlOhkyn No.69550 Reply
yeah, the most recent one was Narrative
it was kinda shit

and as much as Hathaway's Flash might stick to the satisfying ending from the book I'm not counting on it, and there's a lot of
to sit through before he gets flashed
Colonel Lovok - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 23:18:49 EST 6Qfo1FkC No.69553 Reply
The next shitstorm drops soon. We will be 1/3 of the way done with this season.
General Krim - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:35:06 EST pIIy+33k No.69557 Reply
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but wouldn't any kind of ship or medical scan reveal that? Or you know, dissecting one? I mean, wouldn't every Romulan doctor be privy to this secret?

Although now that I think about it, they never really went into what it means to be a "flesh and blood synthetic." Does that mean like, organic tissues covering a robotic core? Are their brains positronic or squishy meat? If they don't have robot parts, how did robotwin #1 jump like 50 meters and do all those dumb fight moves and work the computer so fast?
Weyoun 6 - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:58:54 EST bOlOhkyn No.69558 Reply
iirc that woman who was Data's mom but was secretly a robot didn't show up on scans, didn't she?
Beverly Crusher - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 05:44:54 EST D1r2KBSb No.69562 Reply
no one knows, not even the dozen or so writers.
Species 8472 - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:22:31 EST uoN3psB2 No.69564 Reply
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Raffi makes her appearance - and curiously I didn't hate her?

Pro tip: only vape your own primo stuff, amirite??
Captain Kurn - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:52:04 EST bOlOhkyn No.69565 Reply
>no dammit I'm not bothering with foundation around my eyes fuck you
DaiMon Bok - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 21:31:30 EST 6Qfo1FkC No.69566 Reply
Why would someone choose to live in a shitty trailer?
Ambassador Shras - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:16:17 EST uoN3psB2 No.69567 Reply
She's such a hardcore trekkie that living anywhere else, but right next to the Vasquez Rocks, just wouldn't do it for her.
DaiMon Bok - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 01:26:44 EST 6Qfo1FkC No.69569 Reply
Why didn't she have a nice house replicated right there?
Dr. T'Pan - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 01:46:54 EST pOubqj3g No.69570 Reply
Being non materialistic in a post-replicator society is the new form of hipsterism
Latha Mabrin - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 01:57:30 EST fL95thxC No.69571 Reply
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Stop giving Cuntzman ideas on how to retcon the entirety of Trek so that only his show is considered canon. Stop it.

Delete this post.
Dmitri Valtane - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 05:51:36 EST PyPz+k42 No.69572 Reply
Okay, I have a 3D printer and I'm gonna drop some shit on you right now.
The time goes up as a square of the volume. Which at the rate transporters can move humans, presumably replicators can do much the same, is admittedly probably not a big deal for making a small house.

But despite the "post-scarcity" society of Star Trek it turns out numerous times that large scale industrial replicators are in fact scarce.

Presumably there's some building supply replicator that's somewhat less scarce and could make you two pre-fab houses worth of parts overnight.
Thalen - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:05:05 EST nvASB6Ze No.69573 Reply
Got some issue with the Romulan agent woman:

  1. Why didn't she just pose as a Vulcan?
  2. When have the Romulans ever used genetic alterations? Pretty sure the Tal Shiar and the like have always utilised informants from native species, or used brainwashing so they can have plausible deniability if they are found out and accused of breaking a treaty (in TNG and DS9 the Romulans seem to have a hyper literalist approach to treaty interpretation).

Also, why does Picard's new shiplook like something out of starwars rather than star trek.
Emperor Kahless - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:26:03 EST vYIJbAO0 No.69575 Reply
I'm just outright confused.

If the Romulans hate AI so much they'll destroy the one sister, why is that one Romulan dicking the other one instead of just killing her?
Why is Raffi angry at Picard for Star Fleet's decision? That's like me getting angry at my boss because the CEO isn't funding a project I like.
Captain Kargan - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:15:48 EST uoN3psB2 No.69577 Reply
>instead of just killing her?
I think he's pumping out additional intel, and/or planning to double-cross his sister, or something.
Kozak - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:26:15 EST 6Qfo1FkC No.69578 Reply
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Because we need some CW-tier romance and melodrama.
Azan - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 01:59:47 EST EUBrV5no No.69579 Reply

I think Raffi is mad because Picards decision to resign also got her fired and then he didn't even try to talk to her for like 14 years?
Emperor Kahless - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:53:54 EST vYIJbAO0 No.69581 Reply
Something's being pumped out, and it's not intel. 🙄
Soji is just a really shitty character at this point: practically perfect in every way, the villain undermines his plans for her pussy, and her only aspiration so far is just doing the right thing. CW-tier romance with a Mary Sue.
Dahj was more interesting.
Greer - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 12:40:08 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.69582 Reply
Glad my gut feeling was right about this shitshow from episode 1
Im assuming ep 3 is where it goes full garbage fire?
Rekelen - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 17:50:46 EST pIIy+33k No.69585 Reply

Yeah but when she fell like, didn't she show she was a robot underneath? You'd think every Romulan doctor would be able to tell at some point, right?
James Moriarty - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:46:51 EST sKfgH2aW No.69588 Reply
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Does everybody forget that Troi went undercover as a Tal Shiar agent? And they couldn't tell she wasn't romulan?

Maybe the logic is, "works both ways"?
Commander Suran - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:57:44 EST 5JbUjm26 No.69589 Reply
to be fair she didn't end up having to melt her face only to be found out by a DNA scan and the intel file they likely already had on her. Do the new writers think if you just melt the parts with the plastic forehead thing they aren't aliens any more?
Keiko O'Brien - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:02:04 EST vYIJbAO0 No.69591 Reply
> Vulcans live on a very very sunny planet and have an inner eyelid
Pax - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 09:46:14 EST Fy/n+m9Z No.69592 Reply
B-b-but Vulcan space FBI!!!!

>Um… being a ‘Romulan cyberneticist’ is kind of like being a ‘Nazi doctor.’

To shamelessly nab a comment from facebook:

He only needed to give one answer: "I never watched Star Trek in my life. I find Gene Rodenberry's utopic, diverse ideals offensive and hope to destroy the cultural heritage of his legacy"
Captain Paul Rice - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:34:48 EST pEwssZmM No.69594 Reply
I'm not watching the show so I'm gonna to pretend that Starfleet got its hands on the Sonic Sunglasses and imagine Peter Capaldi and Patrick Stewart having an adventure together.


Ahhh... that's the good stuff.
Lon Suder - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:52:29 EST BnrdIjvE No.69596 Reply
>Peter Capaldi
I'd rather imagine Malcolm Tucker in the CBS studios yelling at a room of cowering execs.
Legate Turrel - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:02:34 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69597 Reply
I have one too and that square of volume thing is just because FDM uses 1D geometry to build stuff. SLA for instance doesn't have that limitation and build time grows linearly with volume.
A single replicator is probably more akin to that at the worst.
But you can use replicators to replicate replicators or parts of replicators. So that about negates that limitation more than enough.

The real bottleneck is thermodynamics.
According to tech manual fringe antimatter is created by space based power satellites that rely on the sun in some way or the other.
In the worst case this means they have to come up with the mass equivalent of energy to replicate something. If the replicator works more like a transporter and it just picks up atoms from a soup of "feedstock" and places them in an orientation it still have to overcome the chemical binding energy of all the atoms which is still enough to vaporize the thing.
David Marcus - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:12:55 EST n/ZYIJct No.69598 Reply
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There was sidenote about this in the 1701-D Technical Manual talking about starship construction and replicators. Something like 'If you could build a starship with the push of a button, you wouldn't need to."

Nvm, I went and found it. Pic related.
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 23:58:17 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69599 Reply
I think my theory that the chemical binding energy correlated to the heat dissipation limitations is consistent with that. At least in terms of trying to shoehorn real science into in.
My theory is they would be able to replicate entire star ships at least in principle but they have no way to get rid of the waste heat that would produce.
Lt. Joseph Carey - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:55:59 EST Bx7NzOhe No.69600 Reply
>SLA for instance doesn't have that limitation and build time grows linearly with volume.

Not in principle but they absolutely do, because they all use a point laser. There have been trade show prototypes since this year that use a specialized LCD panel instead and their starting prices (when they even become available) are 20 grand.
Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:34:22 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69601 Reply
Nope, the LCD ones are available for under 500 from plenty of Chinese manufacturers. Those are the most basic ones out there.
The expensive part is mainly some proprietary secret sauce that lets them skip the peeling stages for the layers and so print continuously. That makes them 10x faster but the relation between size and time is still as linear as before.
I suspect there's no technical reason why this would be expensive and it's mainly a software / process improvement.
Lt. Joseph Carey - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:44:06 EST Bx7NzOhe No.69602 Reply
Oh my god these are soooooo small. No wonder I never looked at them.
Valkris - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 03:25:50 EST uoN3psB2 No.69613 Reply
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Agnes is obviously a jokey character, and there for the viewer's benefit, but let's run with this. Could she really be surprised like this? How casual (or not) IS space travel? I always thought that it would be pretty common in the Star Trek universe, and not a luxury (or a rarity) at all.
Tavek - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 06:49:18 EST juqYi6Pj No.69614 Reply
I always viewed it as getting on a plane/ship and/or going to another country. Sure lots of people have done it but not everyone has. Hell I've never been on a ship in the ocean.
Valkris - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 08:03:12 EST uoN3psB2 No.69616 Reply
I feel the same. And that's why this show is so bizarre. Picard needed his trusty doctor to qualify him for space travel? And then he needed to find an unlicensed space ship? And also the relocated romulans have stayed on their new homeplanet, despite suffering? Etc. Something isn't adding up.
Lt. George Primmin - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:46:38 EST Fy/n+m9Z No.69617 Reply
I've always thought space travel was fairly uncommon, simply because the fed is so utopian you can stay at home with all your needs catered to and do what ever you want.

Sure, you might want to travel for work ( if you're a fancy Vulcan diplomat) or a holiday, but you hardly have to eemigrate and the like.

Seriosuly, imagine if you were transported to the 24th century, would you go and fly through nothingness just to tangle with the borg or get blown up by some Orion pirate, or would you stay at home and just become really proficient in an instrument, or learn some ancient language with no real world application since you no longer have to worry about working to pay rent or buy food.
Michael Eddington - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:59:10 EST Bx7NzOhe No.69620 Reply
I really like the Picard with kids scenes. I know some people are gonna be like "PICARD CANON HATES KIDS" But he's just uncomfortable around them professionally, and this shit reminds me of them bantz with his nephew.

It's like, the one aspect where they're developing the character instead of just ignoring what he's supposed to be like. And even if that's their reason, it's fucking working here and I love it.
Governor Torak - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:14:21 EST HFhAmQBG No.69621 Reply
>I know some people are gonna be like "PICARD CANON HATES KIDS"

not watching STP myself but if they show him being good with kids then at least that follows. somebody would have to ignore a bunch of TNG to think that Picard stayed a child hater over the course of that series. it actually disappoints me that they've left Picard childless and have him earthbound, because that's not the trajectory the character was on, even counting movie Picard. either/or maybe, but not both
Natasha Yar - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:40:13 EST n/ZYIJct No.69624 Reply
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If he had a family they'd probably refuse to let him go and fight him to keep him home (which also says something about what irresponsible assholes his new shipmates are.) Kurtzman has no idea how to write that unless they punch each other so they just skipped all that inconvenient genuine family drama shit. If Picard left Earth in for this mission in defiance of his family he'd be something less than Pure, something else Kurtzman doesn't know how to handle.
Legate Porania - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 20:43:27 EST ijWmIsRh No.69626 Reply
>If Picard left Earth in for this mission in defiance of his family he'd be something less than Pure, something else Kurtzman doesn't know how to handle.

One of the best aspects of the TOS movies is that they made James Kirk have to confront his age and his past and have to own up to his old decisions and behaviors. The character was made more complete by making him a fussy admiral wedging his ass back into the old chair, then by giving him a son, then by having one of his disposible villains of the week come back to haunt him, then by taking his best friend and son away from him, and more.

Because the TNG movies sucked, they missed the opportunity to round out the Picard character the way the TOS movies rounded out James T. STP is a second chance to get a richer realization of Jean Luc, and instead it doesn't seem to be interested in doing that. It actually seems to be brushing past that to put Picard in a world and mindset that doesn't really line up with where we left him.

It's kind of people's Jake Skywalker fears realized. Breeze past all the stuff that turned the guy into the opposite of the guy we knew in flashbacks and handwaving, and show us that our hero wound up giving up until an especially significant young woman found him and woke him out of a living coma after her powers awaketivaed.
Kira Nerys - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 00:58:53 EST OHk7VERP No.69627 Reply
how much must i pay for it not to suck?
ten million dollars?
Kor - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 04:14:54 EST D1r2KBSb No.69629 Reply
You have to get the right people. The ones from BAD ROBOT aren't those people.
Leck - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 05:53:06 EST juqYi6Pj No.69630 Reply
I hate how when you bring that up people just call you a prude or say you're nitpicking. Sure Trek has had casual swearing but it's mostly been around the PG level and dropping F bombs adds nothing to the show. It's by far a deal breaker for me but like you said it just feels weird.
Christine Chapel - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:30:41 EST SRS1o6zK No.69631 Reply
Captain Kirk didn't even understand 20th century profantiies. The amount of cultural regression that seems to have happened by the time of Star Trek: Picard is absurd.

Utilizing the Mirror Universe for this show could've placated everyone. Patrick Stewart would still get to play the swearing, demented Professor X version of Picard he wants to play. Fans would finally see Mirror Picard and other Mirror TNG characters. The studios would still have their 25% different. And most of all, the actions and motivations of Starfleet might make a lick of sense.

It's all so stupid and not separating this new stuff from the originals doesn't boost the new stuff by association; it brings down the old stuff.
Kotan Pa'Dar - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:48:01 EST jwjJ078M No.69632 Reply
Not bothered watching this at all yet, is there anything worthwhile in it so far? The tone of the thread from what I've skimmed seems to indicate this is STD tier so I can safely skip it but I thought I'd ask.
Cmdr. Kelby - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:33:20 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69633 Reply
Watch it if you're bored. This thing is so incredibly stretched out that you could just watch the first and last 5 minutes each episode and not miss anything.
In that sense it's worse than STD because it has the same annoying lens-flare aesthetic (including the ripped paper warp sound effect) and the same grim-dark tropes but none of the bombastic battle scenes.
Guinan - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 11:26:51 EST b048m/L8 No.69635 Reply
I've watched all 4 episodes and I really don't know what to think. Sometimes, it feels kinda like Star Trek. And then someone hits a vape pen or some weird crazy motorcycle helmet Romulans start karate chopping people.
I will state, however, that I have watched 2/3 as many episodes of Picard (4) as I did STD (6) before I gave up on it... and unlike Discovery, where I had to force myself to keep consuming it until I could literally take no more, I have a vague curiosity for where they are going with Picard.
Michael Sullivan - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:28:26 EST Fy/n+m9Z No.69640 Reply
I'm simply watching it because it's free in prime, I'm not too impressed.

Patrick Stewart's acting is superb, but aside from the grimdark wank, it feels like they are relying too much on nostalgia to simply hook the audiance in. "omg 7of9!!!!""""
Emperor Kahless - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 19:05:04 EST vYIJbAO0 No.69644 Reply
Was 7 of 9 the only character to survive Voyager? You'd think Janeway (despite being a meh captain) would also be fired for standing behind Picard and the old Starfleet values. Did anything ever happen between Chakotay and 7 of 9 after Voyager arrived home?

One last thing. I read somewhere else that a lot of the character names mean something in different languages. Most are gods or something pretentious, but the icing on the cake was the new Romulan ninja's. It comes from Tolkien's Elvish. Nothing says half-assed like "LET'S PUT FUCKING LEGOLAS IN STAR TREK!"
Guinan - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:15:12 EST b048m/L8 No.69645 Reply
Captain Shelby - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 00:42:55 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69646 Reply
Real world: Many people probably were fine just to take a pass on the money and tell Kurtzman to take a hike. Jeri Ryan apparently wasn't. Understandable since not even Stewart had the guts to tell them "I'd do it but first get rid of that guy."
In universe: Whatever turned the trek universe into a grim-dark shitfest also made all the characters into total dicks. Janeway probably follows Tzeentch, Chipotle Nurgle, Riker Slaanesh and Sisko Khorne.
Commander Morag - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 05:13:33 EST juqYi6Pj No.69647 Reply
Do you think they offered anyone from DS9 to make a guest appearance or will the best Trek once again get shafted?
Captain Shelby - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 05:44:41 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69649 Reply
My theory is that team Kurtzman was trying to get any actors they could for a while now, just without anybody from production and writing.
So yeah I think they contacted all the actors from TNG, DS9, VOY and perhaps ENT. I think Picard is basically the culmination of that effort.

AFIK Stewart didn't even want do to another Trek show but was trying to have himself a Transmetropolitan Movie after Nemesis but the Hollywood backroom folks didn't approve it.
I even think it's possible that whatever "Picard" is now was in the works even before ST09 in regards to casting real trek actors for fake trek productions.
Lt. JG Ayala - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 07:29:50 EST CqeohYvY No.69652 Reply
Sisko is probably just going to stay in the celestial temple since Avery has basically ended his acting career for stage and university tenure.
Malcolm Reed - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:01:21 EST t1fm8gPo No.69660 Reply
Sisko has probably moved up on a lot of people's "best captain" list over the last month just by virtue of having jumped into a fire pit when his show was over.
Bernardo Calvera - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:23:21 EST jwjJ078M No.69665 Reply
He was also obsessed with not having a black character abandon his son so it'd be pretty easy to tempt him out of retirement for at least a cameo.
Cyrano Jones - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:26:13 EST juqYi6Pj No.69674 Reply
>Transmetropolitan Movie

So not only did we not get good Trek we didn't even get a Transmetropolitan movie? This is the worst timeline.
Subaltern Lorot - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 10:16:22 EST uoN3psB2 No.69680 Reply
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>Was 7 of 9 the only character to survive Voyager?
I think she's there mostly because of the Borg connection. Apparently the old scripts were even more about that - and less about the Romulans, that we are watching now.

Anyhoo. I'm sure the showrunners are saving cameos for Season 2 too, so seeing Janeway and the EMH again seem probable.
T'Les - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:21:00 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69689 Reply
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It's somehow both related to the shift in the movie and tv industry.
At some point the goal became "how can we get the most potential profit for the least amount of effort". Neither a Transmet Movie nor proper Trek meets this "formula".
Of course in the case of fake trek they even fall short of that...
Dr. Leah Brahms - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:38:41 EST bOlOhkyn No.69690 Reply
I recall seeing an explanation for how everything went to shit about ten years ago being related to the writers strike around Bayformers 2
when all the dumb tentpole shit still made money Hollywood realized that writing was even LESS important than they previously believed so they went full coke/childrape bros before goodwriting hos
Katogh - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:08:48 EST Fy/n+m9Z No.69696 Reply
My father has been telling everyone he meets how great STPicard is, and how it has now brought star trek into the modern world because people swear and have their heads cut off.
Admiral Nechayev - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 19:24:15 EST WYX1QykD No.69700 Reply
Alex Kurtzman Trek is tearing families apart.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:24:39 EST NF/vZnCm No.69706 Reply
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These fucking retards don't know haw to earn anything.

They develop a character for one episode with the express purpose of killing her off in the same episode in Discovery.

Now they think they get to entirely skip that step because it's "fan service" and the groundwork has already been laid. NO IT FUCKING HASN'T. Next spoiler to learn WTF I'm talking about -> They brought Icheb back just to kill him within literally one minute.

They want every emotional hook moment they can get but they are literally incapable of doing the legwork required to make them land.
But somewhere out there, there's still a massive audience of fucking dipshits who will eat it all up even though it's a goddamn pantomime shell of a drama.

Kevin Mulkahey - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:25:53 EST D20hvZwf No.69707 Reply
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>They want every emotional hook moment they can get but they are literally incapable of doing the legwork required to make them land.

Kurtzman's been doing that since the 2009 movie. The destruction of Vulcan with no setup of its importance beyond 'muh home planet'. Amanda is shown being kind to loli Spock, then adult Spock and then she dies and Spock looks upset for 10 whole seconds and then it's never mentioned again. And on and on, special mentions to Spock yelling KHAAAAN in Into Derpness for unearned and tone-deaf writing.

I watched half of the first season of Discotrash before giving up. I haven't watched a single episode of Picard and have yet to feel any impulse to change that. It sounds like and the clips look like more of the same shallow, lazy shit. How the fuck did those two movies make so much money and how the fuck did Discotrash survive its first season, nvm be on its way to a third? Everything's fucking upside down.
Commander Donatra - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 18:36:42 EST NF/vZnCm No.69709 Reply
A metaphor for this show trying to do the Riker maneuver and falling right on its face.
Chakotay - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:57:45 EST uoN3psB2 No.69710 Reply
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>I haven't watched a single episode of Picard and have yet to feel any impulse to change that.
I feel like this is better than STD, tho. I couldn't finish the first season of that either, but Picard still has me hooked. Even if the pacing is reaaaaaalllyyyy slooooow...

Episode 5 was filled with melodrama, and I liked it well enough. Except for the ending: I sadly saw it coming. I wanted to think that Agnes is just a goofy character, but of course she has a darker side, because why not. And while they haven't shown it yet, there's a small part of a teaser trailer, where Admiral Sunglasses mindmelts with her, obviously brainwashing her too... Fucking Kurtzman, man!
Dr. Yuris - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:24:35 EST NF/vZnCm No.69712 Reply
Oh my god literally everything revolves around interpersonal conflict...

How can people gush over the shallow fan service when it's this fucking irredeemable. Discovery wasn't even this bad at this. Disco would flip back and forth and sometimes you would get half decent episodes.

This shit has the fingerprints of Lost and soap opera and young adult fiction all over it. What the fuckkkkkkkk?

You don't have to follow Roddenberry's mandates. Most of them were stupid exercises in pointless absolutism anyway. But even on TOS, long before he gave himself brain damage from huffing his own farts, he set priorities that kept this shit from dominating the whole narrative.
And that is the identity of Star Trek.

What interpersonal drama there was was just a little spice, secondary to the plot and mostly to serve the long game of character development in the background of the main stories.
EMH MARK 2 - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:57:50 EST juqYi6Pj No.69714 Reply
Episode 5 left me with an incredibly bad taste in my mouth. I'll admit it was the first episode to make me feel something other than mild joy from the fanservice. But that emotion was satisfaction from revenge. Seeing 7 get her revenge was incredibly satisfying and I'm glad that bitch who was responsible for Icheb's death was killed. However, I shouldn't feel this way in Star Trek of all thiungs. I shouldn't feel happy that someone was murdered even out of justified revenge. There should have been a peaceful, clever solution or something like that. It should have been more than get revenge and then go out in a blaze of glory.

I just got to the episodes of Voyager that introduced Icheb so episode 5 of Picard has kind of ruined those and any upcoming episodes to feature him for me.

I don't know if I can handle much more Nu-Trek. I want Your Dad's Star Trek back.
Koloth - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 05:52:47 EST 9Z4tVqA1 No.69715 Reply

rich is always right except when he's trying to pronounce words
Molly O'Brien - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:24:04 EST D20hvZwf No.69716 Reply
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>peaceful, clever solution

This is the same bunch of creative dummies who in Discotrash had the lead get into a psychic fistfight with her own adoptive VULCAN father (and it was Sarek ffs) for no fucking reason other than to have action filler. JJTrek is some epic trolling for og fans. Or people who just dig entertainment that isn't retarded.
Malcolm Reed - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:50:13 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69717 Reply
The one positive thing about ep5 is at least they advanced the plot somewhat.
The still the plot sucked, the non-linear cut was annoying and the villain one-dimensional.
It still feels like a crawl.
If they'd condensed ep1-5 into one and made it into a generic scifi show like "Killjoys" it might have been enjoyable.
But as it is calling this Trek is a worst insult than STD.
Harry Mudd - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 11:23:21 EST 0ejNYiZp No.69718 Reply
>But as it is calling this Trek is a worst insult than STD.

The fact that Patrick Stewart is complicit in this really twists the knife. I remember seeing a video from a convention where a guy in a wheelchair with all kinds of war injuries was holding back tears as he told the TNG cast how much that that world and its message and their performances as those characters helped him through some of the worst times and darkest thoughts a man could have. Everyone on stage got up and walked to the floor to hug him and thank him. How does that guy feel watching this? Besides triggering any lingering PTSD he has, I can only imagine how disheartening it is for him. And that goes for anybody who was inspired, uplifted, given hope, shown a new point of view, or anything like that by TNG and Capt. Picard. This show is a betrayal of Star Trek and a double middle finger to fans. Trekkies who support this drek are the worst kind of quislings, and Patrick Stewart needs to take his old ass back to the Royal Shakespeare Company and see if they'll let him add some F-bombs to Hamlet.
Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:08:16 EST iQooFYps No.69719 Reply
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>and the villain one-dimensional.

Michael Jonas - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:34:05 EST 9ZVibt+9 No.69720 Reply
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Woah. Now on top of the show being bad, it doesn't support the troops. The show basically kicked this war veteran out of his wheelchair & defecated into his mouth.

Not cool.
Curzon Dax - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 17:25:43 EST vYIJbAO0 No.69721 Reply
Eye patch Picard was definitely just Stewart having fun.

That was the only part I liked. Everything else was just pointless side drama. Maddox was built up since the beginning and he's just thrown out almost immediately.
Kono - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 17:28:22 EST Iv6INJMx No.69722 Reply

>I remember seeing a video from a convention where a guy in a wheelchair with all kinds of war injuries was holding back tears as he told the TNG cast how much that that world and its message and their performances as those characters helped him through some of the worst times and darkest thoughts a man could have. Everyone on stage got up and walked to the floor to hug him and thank him.


It's crazy the kind of impact classic Trek had on some people, but that's exactly why they'll eat up the new shit. So maybe not quislings. Just literally diehard.

Patrick Stewart wasn't on that panel so the vet shouldn't feel too dissed by him. Of course Shatner wasn't gonna miss a chance to get that payday. Those kinds of thanks should go to the writers and showrunners anyway.

>Now on top of the show being bad, it doesn't support the troops.

Watch the video. It's not about 'muh troops' dipshit. Less /pol/ would do everything a lot of good, not the least Star Trek.
Talok - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:32:08 EST 1q8PFmXQ No.69727 Reply
>Eye patch Picard was definitely just Stewart having fun

"Eye Patch Picard" sounds like a cartoon pirate.
T'Pol - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 04:04:56 EST haK1YG5T No.69730 Reply
noticing this season has a lot of dichotomy going on...

or the rule of 2's: android sisters, borg federation officers, brother/sister romulans, nostalgic character deaths (maddox/icheb), husband/wife protecting picard...

at this point I am definitely w/ Rich that Lore is coming back
Janice Rand - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:26:49 EST y207TNZ9 No.69732 Reply
>that's exactly why they'll eat up the new shit. So maybe not quislings. Just literally diehard.

yeah when people like rob burnett or the guys on trekyards say how they "can't not" watch the shows it comes off as sort of an addiction and that first hit of trek was so good that there still chasing. that soldier probably watches the new stuff because the brand.

>at this point I am definitely w/ Rich that Lore is coming back

that seems kind of inevitable just cause memba berries but if his romulans invented the borg prediction comes true then rich evans is a damn pop culture oracle.
Penk - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:04:36 EST V/eHs4Y6 No.69733 Reply
it's not remotely fucking clever and if it's not a red herring I will kill every hobo in North America, and together we shall gnaw on their bones.
Guinan - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 15:45:22 EST b048m/L8 No.69735 Reply
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This show feels like fucking Police Academy now.

You get a guest star from TNG/VOY/DS9, and almost immediately they are killed. Classic trek guest stars are now the new red-shirts.
Change my mind.
Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:39:15 EST E4CL/OrX No.69736 Reply
they had to kill off bruce maddox to stop people who know trek from asking how he got that way after measure of a man and data's day. i dunno why they thought the mutilation of ichy was necessary though.
Kang - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:07:55 EST yW/tSq77 No.69738 Reply
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Normally this guy is just too cringey to watch but I was too curious when this turned up in my suggestions. He gets right to the point this time and is pissed about something that didn't really get mentioned here. Apparently in the last episode they just fucking killed people (not just Echebotay)? JJTrek is inducing some kind of broken record syndrome in me - fuck this retarded show.

Administrator V'Las - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:17:10 EST zpqmDh3V No.69739 Reply
I didn't get the gratuitous torture scene of Ichy either, or why space terrorists are allowed to kidnap federation citizens with impunity and not get blown out by Admiral beard. The Memeulans also have a captured cube filled with dead borg and foreign contractors working there, why couldn't evil freecloud space casino woman simply have sent agents there to steal the technology instead of needing to perform Slayer lyrics from Angel of Death surgery on Ichy so we feel sympathy for Seven's space terrorism.
Major J Hayes - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 18:35:28 EST MouHz4NQ No.69740 Reply

She looks like Mirror Universe Troi.

>Normally this guy is just too cringey to watch but I was too curious when this turned up in my suggestions

Pretty much my experience with RMB as well. I don't seek out his show, but whether via suggestions or him showing up on another show, I have occasionally found myself nodding along with something he's said. This is one of those times.
Leonard McCoy - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 02:42:23 EST d0OcnVNT No.69741 Reply
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I made it to episode 5 and am officially quitting. I just feel angry throughout each scene. I didn't expect to see Patrick Stewart put the final blade in star trek's back.
KC Hunter - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 03:19:37 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69742 Reply
Turns out I didn't know that's a thing
Rionoj - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 05:42:00 EST 3UGajm8i No.69743 Reply
Jesus, E5 was just embarrassing for all involved. the costume designer should be ashamed. "Pimp hats and eye patches, fuck it".
Penk - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 06:19:24 EST jwjJ078M No.69744 Reply
>I didn't expect to see Patrick Stewart put the final blade in star trek's back.
He's had plenty of bad influence over the years so it's not that surprising. I know he was the main force behind action Picard, for example.
Lt. JG Nog - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 07:30:44 EST juqYi6Pj No.69745 Reply
That was the only part I liked. If it was all silly heist and Picard hamming it up I would have actually enjoyed that episode. But no we had to have Icheb vivisection and Seven murdering a bunch of folks.
Emperor Reclaw - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:53:50 EST OHk7VERP No.69746 Reply
You all watched Nemesis why would you expect this show to be any better
DaiMon Tarr - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 11:20:34 EST KYbNIqyL No.69749 Reply

Olivier Gruner must've turned it down and forced the producers to re-work it as a Star Trek show.
KC Hunter - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 11:24:38 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69750 Reply
Fuck, I wish this actually would be Nemesis: The Show

You can't compare it, really.
While nemesis might have derped on the art direction a little but it still was trek.
It was made as a pretty generic action movie and the script was just stupid enough. But it's fun to watch if you do it only once.

This turd not only constantly insults canon by denying the federation's utopic vison it's also boring as fuck because the meat of the show is nostalgia milking along with some padding to explain said milking to the casual viewer.
That's not even enough because of they felt it necessary to include some sort of "backstory" sequences to graft the "generic crapsack cyberpunk dystopia" setting Kurtzman wants onto canon.
This leaves only something like 5% of the time to show an actual story and why it's so boring.

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